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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: Dread Pirate Roberts on August 14, 2012, 10:22 pm
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Welcome to DPR's book club! Knowledge is power, and reading is one of the best ways to expand your knowledge. Each week, we will select a reading designed to expand our understanding of the issues that face the Silk Road community and have a group discussion on the material. My hope is that a high level of discourse will be fostered, and as a community, we can become strong in our beliefs, with a coherent message and voice as the world begins to take notice of us.
We will focus on agorism, counter-economics, anarcho-capitalism, austrian economics, political philosophy, freedom issues and related topics. My hope is that through this, we will discover what we stand for and foster a culture of peace, prosperity, justice and freedom. There is so much double-speak and misinformation in the world today that we must take our education into our own hands, and defend our minds with reason and critical thinking.
Here's how it will work: Each week we will start a thread for the material we will cover that week. The title will start with ***DPR's Book Club***. You will be free to begin discussion on the material as soon as you begin reading. There won't be an official ending to the thread, but we will begin the next one about one week later.
Everyone is encouraged to participate in the discussion, even if you are adamantly opposed to any bias that may be in the reading, or any consensus that may form in the group. There are however a few guidelines that we must enforce to make sure we accomplish our goals.
1) Remain civil at all times. If you disagree with something, debate the issue, don't attack the other participants.
2) Stay on topic. We can stray a little bit as the material stimulates discussion, but we want to always bring it back to the specific material that we are covering in the thread.
3) Forward the action. Try at all times to build on what has already been said. We don't want 10 ideas being discussed simultaneously.
That's about it. DoctaFeelgood will be moderating for us. He is fairly new to the forum, but has a passion for the topics we'll cover, and is skilled in articulating the concepts and helping anyone with sticking points they may have.
Cheers,
Dread 8)
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This is an awesome idea! I'm really looking forward to this :D
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This is an awesome idea! I'm really looking forward to this :D
Great to have you on board! The good doctor should be posting our first assignment soon.
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this sounds quite INteresting :)
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DPR is this strictly for debating opinion or can you throw in reference books as well? I might have got access to something a bit special.
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This sounds Awsome !!!! i love this idea, its all about Knowledge,Wisdome, and understanding.. Great idea
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Jumping on board with this also. Looking forward to the first read.
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DPR is this strictly for debating opinion or can you throw in reference books as well? I might have got access to something a bit special.
The threads for DPR's Book Club will focus on the reading for that week. If you want to link to other materials during the discussion for reference, that's fine, but we want to always bring the discussion back to the material for that thread. As far as what we'll be reading goes, I let doctorfeelgood fill us in. We'll get a sense of the correct pace and content for the group as we go along as well.
Also, you can always create your own threads just like on all of the other boards, but please keep it under the broad umbrella of "Philosophy, Economics and Law."
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DPR is this strictly for debating opinion or can you throw in reference books as well? I might have got access to something a bit special.
The threads for DPR's Book Club will focus on the reading for that week. If you want to link to other materials during the discussion for reference, that's fine, but we want to always bring the discussion back to the material for that thread. As far as what we'll be reading goes, I let doctorfeelgood fill us in. We'll get a sense of the correct pace and content for the group as we go along as well.
Also, you can always create your own threads just like on all of the other boards, but please keep it under the broad umbrella of "Philosophy, Economics and Law."
Thanks for clarifying, I think I missed the point a bit so I just messaged ya to explain. This is a great idea though. :)
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I cant wait for this!!! This is def on my level!! Thnks for bringing this to the forums, Great idea again
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Looking forward to this :)
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Looking forward to reading what is posted each week.
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Great idea for a new section. Does this mean that DPR has some leisure time now? :)
PS - there should be a minimum post count in order to post here. I feel it would help keep the banter a bit more civilized.
I.E - Everyone can read, but only 100 post people or more can post. Stops the trolls from creating brand new account just to argue.
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Knowledge is power, and reading is one of the best ways to expand your knowledge.
This.
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OMG!!! :)
I am studying soon and now I might be able to find some books to read when the kids go to bed!
Am studying sociology and will have a job if I pass this.
I will look here to see what people suggest.
Thanks DPR :)
sorry about the name, as my girlfiend did put that in for me. Wish i was born in 1982 :(
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Interested in expanding my list with good material. I'm more of a buckmister fuller type dude.. Noam Chomsky types are boring.
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I'm not a big reader,.. really only read 3 full books in my life one school related two on my own.... I like the idea of reading more, When are you guys gonna decide what book were gonna read??
Also will a version of said book be for sale here on SR???
That would be awesome!
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I have been reading up on Counter-economics and I think we should start with that..maybe even the New Libertarian Manifesto by Samuel Edward Konkin the third!!
;)
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I think it is a sound proposal, I also agree with Shroom that you may want to create something like a post limit to prevent trolling though (I'd prefer capcha to a post limit, but that's just my preference).
Can we suggest reading material to whoever is appointed to select the books? (Doctor FeelGood I presume ;-))
I would also urge any participants to be circumspect about mentioning when/where they obtained a particular book. The eye of Sauron is really out there strobing the forum!
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I would also urge any participants to be circumspect about mentioning when/where they obtained a particular book. The eye of Sauron is really out there strobing the forum!
Thats why it would be cool if we coudl buy the book here online from a safe chosen vendor!!!
:))
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DPR - I'm really interested in what you'll put out there. I'm still kind of a skeptic and need some discussion on things like agorism and anarcho-capitalism, but I welcome the opportunity to know more
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On it. Let chew fat!
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I think it is a sound proposal, I also agree with Shroom that you may want to create something like a post limit to prevent trolling though (I'd prefer capcha to a post limit, but that's just my preference).
Can we suggest reading material to whoever is appointed to select the books? (Doctor FeelGood I presume ;-))
I would also urge any participants to be circumspect about mentioning when/where they obtained a particular book. The eye of Sauron is really out there strobing the forum!
PINE!! Pine!! Did you see what just happened there?!!? We AGREED on something! :)
I feel this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship!
Seriously though - post count ...capcha...whatever works if this place is to treated seriously.
Post count is my "go-to" because there is already clearly a post count mechanism in place with this forum.
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I have had my suspicions that DPR is really Oprah, and now this book club thing just seals the deal.
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:o I like this idea as well. I also like that this whole section only has one topic in it (besides this pinned one) and that is the mtgix AmAzIng DeAlS.
sort of proof that we need something to keep him out.
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I think it is a sound proposal, I also agree with Shroom that you may want to create something like a post limit to prevent trolling though (I'd prefer capcha to a post limit, but that's just my preference).
I prefer post count + account age over cpatchas, because they are hard when tripping
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I have had my suspicions that DPR is really Oprah, and now this book club thing just seals the deal.
LOL..... :D
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Niceee. Definitely interested in what kind of literature users of this forum have to read!
Great idea!
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Can't wait
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Speegs
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Cool let's get stronger and fight the good fight by taking back our freedom......................time to build an army of fucking revolutionaries!!! Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!1 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) \)
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Cool let's get stronger and fight the good fight by taking back our freedom......................time to build an army of fucking revolutionaries!!! Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!1 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) \)
.... or, ya know, we could just get stoned ...
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There are many ways to bring about a revolution. The powers against us want to show our faults and how a legalized drug trade is "bad". We have to show how an open model is better than prohibition.
We must police ourselves and keep out those that tarnish our quest for freedom!
Scammers and people who sell items that are not as described need to be removed. We do not need to give those against us ammunition to sway opinion.
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great idea admin, looking forward to this
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I have had my suspicions that DPR is really Oprah, and now this book club thing just seals the deal.
LOL!
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PINE!! Pine!! Did you see what just happened there?!!? We AGREED on something! :)
I feel this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship!.
I know, an unforgivable breach of protocol, it's quite misty outside too, so clearly the sky has fallen in. ;)
nemesis pine:
Related Media: youtube's dramatic chipmunk
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Cool let's get stronger and fight the good fight by taking back our freedom......................time to build an army of fucking revolutionaries!!! Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!1 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) \)
.... or, ya know, we could just get stoned ...
And this....is why I am not a revolutionary lol....
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Cool let's get stronger and fight the good fight by taking back our freedom......................time to build an army of fucking revolutionaries!!! Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!1 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) \)
.... or, ya know, we could just get stoned ...
And this....is why I am not a revolutionary lol....
That's probably why most people on here aren't revolutionaries :P
On a random thought, I wonder what kind of drugs Pine frequents. I wanna say something in the stimulant category
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*whispers* CLEARLY. ITS. MARKER. PENS. *whispers*
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PINE!! Pine!! Did you see what just happened there?!!? We AGREED on something! :)
I feel this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship!.
I know, an unforgivable breach of protocol, it's quite misty outside too, so clearly the sky has fallen in. ;)
nemesis pine:
Related Media: youtube's dramatic chipmunk
you mean Memesis then ;)
dramatic chipmunk? pah - more like "Overly Attached Girlfriend" ;) ;)
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Well I just read the first couple of chapters of "The Libertarian Manifesto" and I have thought of a joke:
Q: What's the difference between Agorism and Feudalism?
A: about five fucking years.
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Wewt, great idea :) Bring on the good reads, I'm always up for some!
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Seriously, I can just see the letter from my insurance company:
ABOUT YOUR CLAIM:
Dear Mr Hungry,
In response to your phone call in which you reported the robbery and assault you suffered, we are pleased to report that we have located your assailant. Unfortunately, he has taken out a comprehensive policy with Octogen Group Protection Insurance. Our agents were unable to penetrate his escort and we took heavy losses.
We regret to inform you that this will entail an increase in this years premium, as you have lost your no claims bonus.
Additionally, we have reason to believe that OGPI have subcontracted a bounty for your neutralization. A hitsquad from EXecutive solutions is believed to be hunting you.
Unfortunately you only paid for BRONZE level protection. This means we can no longer guarantee your safety if you remain in your own home.
However, for a slight increase in your monthly payment, we would like to offer you a place in our new enclave, Insurance Fortress 9B. Here behind our razor wire we feel sure you will feel more comfortable, knowing your family is guarded 24/7 by our highly trained merc squads.
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Sorry we haven't started yet have we? I thought that must be the book in DPR's signature. I'm quite relieved as that New Libertarian manifesto seems to be some ill conceived dystopic bullshit. I mean I like a Neal Stephenson book as much as the next man but I don't want to live in one.
The market is undoubtedly the best system for determing the price and distribution of goods and labour. But sometimes people are so pleased with the elegance and simplicity of supply and demand they start trying to apply it to situations where it does not belong.
Anyway what book will we be doing?
Here's my suggestion "23 Things you didn't know about capitalism"
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:12ca2ca709c1dade9cc6c066173a688a5c1e7b08&dn=23+Things+They+Don%27t+Tell+You+About+Capitalism.epub&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80
It's a fairly easy read so should enable the greatest number of members to take part.
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Or here is the PB page:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7555322/23_Things_They_Don_t_Tell_You_About_Capitalism.epub
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I have had my suspicions that DPR is really Oprah, and now this book club thing just seals the deal.
Look under your seats everyone! Free drugs for you! Free drugs for you! Free drugs for EVERYONE!
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Cool! I'd be up for this. Always wanting to expand my knowledge.
Don't know about min post count, couldn't the mod just ban an obvious troll from posting on this forum?
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Sounds like an awesome job and I can't wait for it to start. Any idea when that is? I don't have any suggestions for readings, but I'm sure you have some good ones in mind.
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This is like Operation Educate Oneself! This is awwesomeee! This trumps all my college years.
Is this gonna be on OWN? Ohh I hope I hope! What's the 1st title?!
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I think it is a sound proposal, I also agree with Shroom that you may want to create something like a post limit to prevent trolling though (I'd prefer capcha to a post limit, but that's just my preference).
I prefer post count + account age over cpatchas, because they are hard when tripping
OMG it's like fucking impossible!!!
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oops! When I set the min post count, I actually locked out doctafeelgood so he couldn't post the first assignment :P Hopefully he'll be back online again soon.
Hungary Ghost, I hope you stick around even if you don't agree with the bias in the material. The more perspectives we have the better :)
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I'm sure the seed for this thread was planted along time ago...
.... I'm made up feelgood gave this a heads up before it arrived on a thread i authored.
Thanks Drfeelgood =]
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I am up for this, I have my own personal study programme but I would definitely like to contribute to this in whatever form.
What is the first subject/book?
Does my account qualify though?
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oops! When I set the min post count, I actually locked out doctafeelgood so he couldn't post the first assignment :P Hopefully he'll be back online again soon.
Hungary Ghost, I hope you stick around even if you don't agree with the bias in the material. The more perspectives we have the better :)
We could have some Contrarian weeks, where we study the works of Marx, Keynes and Veblen. It shouldn't be just books from the shelves of a literati either, it's good to mix up lighter stuff with smaller amounts of denser material. e.g. I advocate everybody read extracts from the Wealth of Nations, but I wouldn't be advocating people read all the volumes, 20 or 30 pages is far far more material than the majority of writers can cram into an entire bookshelf. Similarly I think Hayak and Friedman are more potent in small doses. A Lodging of Wayfaring Men on the other hand can be read fairly quickly (this book described Bitcoin/SR ages before they even existed, it's eerie to read it now!).
One socialist author that should get a look in is George Orwell. 1984 is a truly remarkable book and much fewer people have read it than heard of it.
Books! The First Internet :)
They seem like opposites to me. With the Internet you have a tremendous range of knowledge, but it is frequently shallow knowledge, not deep like books, but the literati and digitari are both explorers of the mind, so they are complimentary. Many people love books but can hardly find the time to read them all, so book clubs are definitely a good idea on general principals. It is like going to the Book Gym! If you are a Spartan of the body and an Athenian of the mind, you have a lot going for you right there.
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HELLO GOOD PEOPLE OF SILK ROAD!!!
I am deeply sorry the first assignment is not up yet, I just logged in and realized I am now allowed in the club!!!! 8)
I am writing up the assignment now and it will be up within the hour.
-Doc
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Are you the one I call Dr. Feelgood? Are you the one that makes me feel alright?
This could be interesting Dr. we all eagerly await
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*whispers* CLEARLY. ITS. MARKER. PENS. *whispers*
Lim I literally started ROFLing LOL
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I'm looking forward to any religious reading assignments :)
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I'm looking forward to any religious reading assignments :)
We will focus on agorism, counter-economics, anarcho-capitalism, austrian economics, political philosophy, freedom issues and related topics.
I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
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oops! When I set the min post count, I actually locked out doctafeelgood so he couldn't post the first assignment :P Hopefully he'll be back online again soon.
Hungary Ghost, I hope you stick around even if you don't agree with the bias in the material. The more perspectives we have the better :)
Oh I'm totally on board. Looks like an interesting read. It will make for better debate if we don't all agree.
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I like this idea, but I believe it is important that dissenting opinions are also respected. It's the libertarian thing to do.
It is infinitely better to also read and openly discuss material you disagree with it, than to only feed the readers biased literature. This forum is an excellent location for open debate, because governments cannot censor it.
The only people who can censor the discussion here are DPR and the mods. My request to them is: please don't.
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I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
Religion, society and politics are very much intertwined. A lot of political opinion are directly derived from religious views. I think you can have an interesting debate about religion and politics, without making it spiritual or anything.
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This is awesome. Looking forward to reading, and learning more. Thank you.
- Hashbean
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VERY nice idea! Great to get some recommendations of books to read from the scene :)
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DO NOT READ BOOKS, do not read for that matter.
TV and fast food is all you need ;)
As you were :P
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I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
Religion, society and politics are very much intertwined. A lot of political opinion are directly derived from religious views. I think you can have an interesting debate about religion and politics, without making it spiritual or anything.
Yes, the relationship of church and state is one thing, the debate on Christianity vs Islam is another thing entirely. So I suppose there could be some debates on some religious discussion, but only in certain areas where it overlaps with the material.
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I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
Religion, society and politics are very much intertwined. A lot of political opinion are directly derived from religious views. I think you can have an interesting debate about religion and politics, without making it spiritual or anything.
but only in certain areas where it overlaps with the material.
Well I for one thought this was going to be a libertarian free for all but it appears DrFeelGood it going to be keeping things strictly to his agenda.
Smacks of totalitarianism to me.
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I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
Religion, society and politics are very much intertwined. A lot of political opinion are directly derived from religious views. I think you can have an interesting debate about religion and politics, without making it spiritual or anything.
but only in certain areas where it overlaps with the material.
Well I for one thought this was going to be a libertarian free for all but it appears DrFeelGood it going to be keeping things strictly to his agenda.
Smacks of totalitarianism to me.
This board in general is free for all discussion and debate on anything related to the title. However, DPR wanted a specific theme for *his* book club and I am merely referring to which books we will be reading. I am just trying to say that the bible probably won't be something chosen for a reading assignment. If you wish to debate religious views in a non-bashing and respectful manner, you are absolutely free to go start a thread and begin. I am not here to censor anyone. The only posts I will remove are spam like Mt. Gix and Btkoin. I simply ask that you treat each other with respect and keep an open mind.
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I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
Religion, society and politics are very much intertwined. A lot of political opinion are directly derived from religious views. I think you can have an interesting debate about religion and politics, without making it spiritual or anything.
Yes, the relationship of church and state is one thing, the debate on Christianity vs Islam is another thing entirely. So I suppose there could be some debates on some religious discussion, but only in certain areas where it overlaps with the material.
Religion can also be considered a "good" in economic terms. It is possible to discuss the extent free market principles versus prohibition exist with respect to the religious "marketplace" without having a "religious" discussion. Anyone who participates in discussion would only need to know the names of the religions themselves; e.g. Islam, Judaism, etc, without knowing a scintilla of what they believe and practice.
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Welcome to DPR's book club! Knowledge is power, and reading is one of the best ways to expand your knowledge. Each week, we will select a reading designed to expand our understanding of the issues that face the Silk Road community and have a group discussion on the material. My hope is that a high level of discourse will be fostered, and as a community, we can become strong in our beliefs, with a coherent message and voice as the world begins to take notice of us.
We will focus on agorism, counter-economics, anarcho-capitalism, austrian economics, political philosophy, freedom issues and related topics. My hope is that through this, we will discover what we stand for and foster a culture of peace, prosperity, justice and freedom. There is so much double-speak and misinformation in the world today that we must take our education into our own hands, and defend our minds with reason and critical thinking.
This is an awesome idea and my interest in the forums has just been massively revitalised as a result. :D
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I'm looking forward to any religious reading assignments :)
We will focus on agorism, counter-economics, anarcho-capitalism, austrian economics, political philosophy, freedom issues and related topics.
I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
I think they were speaking either metaphorically or joking entirely. Religious can mean daily.
Oh hadn't read 2nd page.
I think the topics specified are appropriate. I'd be very interested to see if an actual debate over religion started but I would prefer to think most here are not terribly religious, if at all. As in organized kinds.
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I don't mind the first book or future books being libertarian. If you have a huge issue reading things that you disagree with, then maybe you need to evaluate your own opinions to see how strong they are. It's easy to read a book where you're nodding your head the whole time; it's much harder to do as I am with this libertarian reading, having to really think out the things he's saying to poke holes in his arguments. I love that kind of stuff, mental stimulation and all that. I imagine that in the future we'll have books from all different political spectrums to keep things interesting. I think that religion could be an interesting future topic. Although considering the nature of the site, I think it might be more interesting to get into spirituality from maybe a pantheistic or deistic viewpoint rather than attacking Christianity, because frankly that's been done to death at this point. Although I'm atheist, some of the newer spirituality movements have given me pause, and some of my experiences with psychedelics have led me to believe that pantheism might not be so far from the truth. It would be interesting to explore. But DPR runs the show, so I'll read whatever he wants to discuss. I trust him to pick some interesting topics.
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I don't think religious assignments fall into any of the categories this club is intended to promote the discussion of. Sorry. :-\
Religion, society and politics are very much intertwined. A lot of political opinion are directly derived from religious views. I think you can have an interesting debate about religion and politics, without making it spiritual or anything.
but only in certain areas where it overlaps with the material.
Well I for one thought this was going to be a libertarian free for all but it appears DrFeelGood it going to be keeping things strictly to his agenda.
Smacks of totalitarianism to me.
Read my opening post. There are rules and guidelines to this book club and I expect the doctor to keep everyone on track. It is not a free for all. Like he said, if you want to start your own thread that falls under "Philosophy, Economics and Law", then feel free, we won't censor it.
With regard to religious discussions, I think they can mostly fall under the umbrella of philosophy, so if you want to talk about that stuff, feel free to start a thread.
As far as material we'll cover for the book club, we'll see who gets involved and what everyone wants to do. If I try to cram my view down everyone's throat and no one stays around to play, then what's the point, right?
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Members i just wanted to let u all know im a reading addict, and if u ever want a good read, try *Project management* and Behold a pale white horse, very very deep, if your into that
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Just finished "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, another cracker of a read from one of our worlds best minds. "The Art of War" by Mao is my reading from monday on.
I love reading been addicted to it since i was a teenager, the internet isnt a substitute for the intelligence books hold at all, Nearly everyone thinks their a genius or an intellect nowadays because they can google what they want ::)
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Sounds interesting.
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Just finished "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, another cracker of a read from one of our worlds best minds. "The Art of War" by Mao is my reading from monday on.
I love reading been addicted to it since i was a teenager, the internet isnt a substitute for the intelligence books hold at all, Nearly everyone thinks their a genius or an intellect nowadays because they can google what they want ::)
Dawkins is amazing!
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I don't mind the first book or future books being libertarian. If you have a huge issue reading things that you disagree with, then maybe you need to evaluate your own opinions to see how strong they are. It's easy to read a book where you're nodding your head the whole time; it's much harder to do as I am with this libertarian reading, having to really think out the things he's saying to poke holes in his arguments. I love that kind of stuff, mental stimulation and all that. I imagine that in the future we'll have books from all different political spectrums to keep things interesting. I think that religion could be an interesting future topic. Although considering the nature of the site, I think it might be more interesting to get into spirituality from maybe a pantheistic or deistic viewpoint rather than attacking Christianity, because frankly that's been done to death at this point. Although I'm atheist, some of the newer spirituality movements have given me pause, and some of my experiences with psychedelics have led me to believe that pantheism might not be so far from the truth. It would be interesting to explore. But DPR runs the show, so I'll read whatever he wants to discuss. I trust him to pick some interesting topics.
I'd love to see discussion on pantheism cause I'm a pantheist myself :)
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What a superb idea,
Sign me up!!
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profiled
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I don't mind the first book or future books being libertarian. If you have a huge issue reading things that you disagree with, then maybe you need to evaluate your own opinions to see how strong they are. It's easy to read a book where you're nodding your head the whole time; it's much harder to do as I am with this libertarian reading, having to really think out the things he's saying to poke holes in his arguments. I love that kind of stuff, mental stimulation and all that. I imagine that in the future we'll have books from all different political spectrums to keep things interesting. I think that religion could be an interesting future topic. Although considering the nature of the site, I think it might be more interesting to get into spirituality from maybe a pantheistic or deistic viewpoint rather than attacking Christianity, because frankly that's been done to death at this point. Although I'm atheist, some of the newer spirituality movements have given me pause, and some of my experiences with psychedelics have led me to believe that pantheism might not be so far from the truth. It would be interesting to explore. But DPR runs the show, so I'll read whatever he wants to discuss. I trust him to pick some interesting topics.
I'd love to see discussion on pantheism cause I'm a pantheist myself :)
Start a thread!
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I like this Idea DPR :)
But perhaps while your making new sub-forums, you could make a sub-form for Vendor Reviews and then sub-forum within that cocaine review / marjiuana review ect
that would be lovely :)
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I like this Idea DPR :)
But perhaps while your making new sub-forums, you could make a sub-form for Vendor Reviews and then sub-forum within that cocaine review / marjiuana review ect
that would be lovely :)
We have that! It's called the Rumor Mill :)
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We have that! It's called the Rumor Mill :)
DPR, do you think any SR competitors will come on the scene anytime soon?
Google must be the main source of newcomers to SR, if you type in: "how to buy drugs online" that gawker article pops up at #1 on the SERPs
I'm curious as to how word spread initially though, was it just a word of mouth type thing, because obviously you can't really market a website like SR very easily.
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We have that! It's called the Rumor Mill :)
DPR, do you think any SR competitors will come on the scene anytime soon?
Google must be the main source of newcomers to SR, if you type in: "how to buy drugs online" that gawker article pops up at #1 on the SERPs
I'm curious as to how word spread initially though, was it just a word of mouth type thing, because obviously you can't really market a website like SR very easily.
DPR deserves an award for best marketer of the century lol.
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I Use the rumor mill every day :) just a little bit more organisation would be good, this sentiment has been echoed in there also..
anyway I wont tell you how to run your pages, your doing a great job :)
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I recommend u all books of Hermann Hesse specially Steppenwolf and Siddhartha!
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We have that! It's called the Rumor Mill :)
DPR, do you think any SR competitors will come on the scene anytime soon?
Google must be the main source of newcomers to SR, if you type in: "how to buy drugs online" that gawker article pops up at #1 on the SERPs
I'm curious as to how word spread initially though, was it just a word of mouth type thing, because obviously you can't really market a website like SR very easily.
DPR deserves an award for best marketer of the century lol.
I think SR is a great example of the real estate adage: "Build it and they will come." DPR built it, and somehow people came lol. This is a slight guess, but I think he may have marketed by submitting anonymous press releases to online news sites. Because really, if you are one guy and you want to remain anonymous, it would be freakin hard to market a place like SR except for maybe spamming the hidden wiki with links and getting lucky.
To stay on topic, perhaps you could recommend a good marketing book for us to read DPR? ;)
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Joining the club. :)
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Welcome Joy :)
regarding marketing, I started a thread on the bitcoin forum. everything else has been word of mouth.
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Welcome Joy :)
regarding marketing, I started a thread on the bitcoin forum. everything else has been word of mouth.
Actually, I think its mainly google and that gawker article driving new business.
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Welcome Joy :)
regarding marketing, I started a thread on the bitcoin forum. everything else has been word of mouth.
Actually, I think its mainly google and that gawker article driving new business.
google has a big mouth ;)
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I would like to make a suggestion for a book I believe to be relevant and insightful. It is less than 200 pg and he cites more that 100 sources. I would consider it more of a thesis or dissertation than a book, but the author was self educated. He was legally blind at birth he was deemed unworthy to attend school. At the age of 14 he regained sight then began to read anything he could get his hands on. Since he lacked a formal education he worked as a migrant field worker, and a longshoreman. He wrote and did research in his spare time. He authored more than 10 books, numerous essays and wrote for the New Yorker, the LA Times and other publications. He is regarded as one of the most influential philosophers of modern time.
The book is The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer. it breaks down mass movements to a fundamental level, while providing great insight into human nature. Basically giving us a blueprint on how to succeed.
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I would like to make a suggestion for a book I believe to be relevant and insightful. It is less than 200 pg and he cites more that 100 sources. I would consider it more of a thesis or dissertation than a book, but the author was self educated. He was legally blind at birth he was deemed unworthy to attend school. At the age of 14 he regained sight then began to read anything he could get his hands on. Since he lacked a formal education he worked as a migrant field worker, and a longshoreman. He wrote and did research in his spare time. He authored more than 10 books, numerous essays and wrote for the New Yorker, the LA Times and other publications. He is regarded as one of the most influential philosophers of modern time.
The book is The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer. it breaks down mass movements to a fundamental level, while providing great insight into human nature. Basically giving us a blueprint on how to succeed.
Sounds like a cool book. I'll check it out.
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Welcome Joy :)
regarding marketing, I started a thread on the bitcoin forum. everything else has been word of mouth.
Actually, I think its mainly google and that gawker article driving new business.
google has a big mouth ;)
I would bet that google is now the main source of traffic on to SR.
You'll find your site is ranking at #1 spot on google DPR for such search phrases such as: how to buy drugs online, buy illicit drugs online, buy cocaine online, buy weed online
Well, indirectly of course, since its the gawker article which is actually ranking up there.
It seems google has no problem with sending traffic here, so lets all give google and the free market another pat on the back. Oh, and of course you DPR, you handsome young devil you!
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Wow, haven't been on here for a good 3 weeks until this week, but am perturbed that I missed this popping up while I was absent.
Sorry for the off topic spam. Had to comment.
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Wow, haven't been on here for a good 3 weeks until this week, but am perturbed that I missed this popping up while I was absent.
Sorry for the off topic spam. Had to comment.
No worries monk. Feel free to jump in in the middle, or catch up.
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Wow been without internet a while, and something awesome appeared while my back was turned, yet again DPR has amazed me!
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I am very excited to begin participating in this. ;)
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I am only on page 37 so far, but am finding this a really easy read as it interests me and I agree with a lot of what is being said here. I also love learning new words and capricious will definitely be in my vocabulary from now on.
What struck me that I never really thought of is the idea of imposing freedom is a bit oxymoron, but most Americans look at freedom as something that you enforce and that isn't true at all. By enforcing it you are by nature taking it away and freedom is intrinsic or should be to life, so the more rules you impose to enforce such freedom the more you are destroying the very nature of what being free is suppose to be. I never really looked at it that way, but now I have a very good argument to make or discussion for whenever it comes up.
Is this the discussion thread for the reading?
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I am only on page 37 so far, but am finding this a really easy read as it interests me and I agree with a lot of what is being said here. I also love learning new words and capricious will definitely be in my vocabulary from now on.
What struck me that I never really thought of is the idea of imposing freedom is a bit oxymoron, but most Americans look at freedom as something that you enforce and that isn't true at all. By enforcing it you are by nature taking it away and freedom is intrinsic or should be to life, so the more rules you impose to enforce such freedom the more you are destroying the very nature of what being free is suppose to be. I never really looked at it that way, but now I have a very good argument to make or discussion for whenever it comes up.
That's exactly the effect this book club is supposed to have on its members. ;D
So glad to hear your catching on so fast!
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Is this the discussion thread for the reading?
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I believe this is the thread for the discussion of the book club itself, and the actual discussion of the reading material is located in the current weekly "reading assignment" thread.
Glad to have you on board! :)
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Blah, got's to read faster; still on book #1.
This book club is great though, just The Left, the Right, and the State has really made me think about a lot of ideas I never even conceived of before.
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Welcome to DPR's book club! Knowledge is power.
There is so much double-speak and misinformation in the world today that we must take our education into our own hands, and defend our minds with reason and critical thinking.
This is exactly why SR NEEDS a chemistry forum DPR if anyone can make this happen its you!
I will be participating in this thread as soon as I get some new reading glasses, my head hurts if I spend prolonged periods of time staring at the computer screen!
My initial impression is that this is going to be very educational, interesting and also potentially subversive depending on the individuals involved :D
Peace
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I'd like to jump on board and give the suggestions here a go.
If anyone would like a suggestion, Huxley's "A Brave New World". It's an excellent read which explores the concept of free will and determinism.
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I will get right on this :)
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great read and information, thanks ;)
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I'd like to jump on board and give the suggestions here a go.
If anyone would like a suggestion, I have recently finished reading Huxley's "A Brave New World" and B.F. Skinner "Walden Two". Both are excellent reads and they explore the issue of free will and determinism.
I'm currently starting Spinoza "Ethics" which is a very interesting read for naturalists or anyone with an interest in pantheism or atheism. An absolute must read for anyone that questions the contemporary conception of God.
Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" is a fantastic read. If you like that you should check out Robert Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" is also another fantastic read. More dystopian novels that you might like ala "Brave New World" include, Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale", Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451", and George Orwell's "1984", all of which are iconic books well worth reading.
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This could be my motivation to finally read Fear and Loathing and Fight Club, both of which I imagine are eventually going to come up here
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Brave New World yes. Everyone should read.
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Hey there!
I was lurking on the forums, primarily just refreshing DPR's update thread, when I noticed this thread.
I really like the idea of this, its the first thing like it that I have seen down here, and I dont think I've EVER seen anything like it on the clearnet that didnt devolve into a bunch of idiots insulting each other.
If someone could kindly either link me to the latest assignment or let me know which one is the latest, that would be appreciated. Are we currently on the movie night? Or is there a book we are still working on before that?
Thanks!
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A Clockwork Orange is a very well written dystopian future. The film's pretty full on, but a brilliant work of art.
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A Clockwork Orange is a very well written dystopian future. The film's pretty full on, but a brilliant work of art.
I've never been able to read the whole thing, although I really want to and intend to in the near future. Something really cool that one of my high school teachers did for his AP English students, was to have them read the first 20 chapters (which were the only ones included in the books in the US up until 1986) and write a paper about the theme and message of the book. He then had them read the 21st chapter and write a new paper about the theme and message of the book. Apparently, the 21st chapter is a game changer. It is an exercise that I plan on doing when I eventually get around to reading it.
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A Clockwork Orange is a very well written dystopian future. The film's pretty full on, but a brilliant work of art.
I've never been able to read the whole thing, although I really want to and intend to in the near future. Something really cool that one of my high school teachers did for his AP English students, was to have them read the first 20 chapters (which were the only ones included in the books in the US up until 1986) and write a paper about the theme and message of the book. He then had them read the 21st chapter and write a new paper about the theme and message of the book. Apparently, the 21st chapter is a game changer. It is an exercise that I plan on doing when I eventually get around to reading it.
Yea... if I remember correctly the 21st chapter was not included in the first release of the book until 1986. Basically Alex desires to destroy and create anarchy throughout the book, but the 21st chapter is supposed to be Alex's "aha!" moment in which he realizes creating is much more beautiful than destroying and changes.
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A Clockwork Orange is a very well written dystopian future. The film's pretty full on, but a brilliant work of art.
I've never been able to read the whole thing, although I really want to and intend to in the near future. Something really cool that one of my high school teachers did for his AP English students, was to have them read the first 20 chapters (which were the only ones included in the books in the US up until 1986) and write a paper about the theme and message of the book. He then had them read the 21st chapter and write a new paper about the theme and message of the book. Apparently, the 21st chapter is a game changer. It is an exercise that I plan on doing when I eventually get around to reading it.
Yea... if I remember correctly the 21st chapter was not included in the first release of the book until 1986. Basically Alex desires to destroy and create anarchy throughout the book, but the 21st chapter is supposed to be Alex's "aha!" moment in which he realizes creating is much more beautiful than destroying and changes.
Wasn't there some controversy about that being left out of the movie? In the movie that was the opposite; that "aha" moment came half way through, but when Alex's evil "left" him, so did his humanity. The twist at the very end is that he no longer has to repress his evil, and with this, his freedom and humanity returns.
I've never read the book, but I've read about it, and I've studied the movie intensely.
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A Clockwork Orange is a very well written dystopian future. The film's pretty full on, but a brilliant work of art.
I've never been able to read the whole thing, although I really want to and intend to in the near future. Something really cool that one of my high school teachers did for his AP English students, was to have them read the first 20 chapters (which were the only ones included in the books in the US up until 1986) and write a paper about the theme and message of the book. He then had them read the 21st chapter and write a new paper about the theme and message of the book. Apparently, the 21st chapter is a game changer. It is an exercise that I plan on doing when I eventually get around to reading it.
Yea... if I remember correctly the 21st chapter was not included in the first release of the book until 1986. Basically Alex desires to destroy and create anarchy throughout the book, but the 21st chapter is supposed to be Alex's "aha!" moment in which he realizes creating is much more beautiful than destroying and changes.
Wasn't there some controversy about that being left out of the movie? In the movie that was the opposite; that "aha" moment came half way through, but when Alex's evil "left" him, so did his humanity. The twist at the very end is that he no longer has to repress his evil, and with this, his freedom and humanity returns.
I've never read the book, but I've read about it, and I've studied the movie intensely.
Kubrick's ending is not like the book. I found this fitting quote from Burgess himself about the 21st chapter:
"The 21st chapter gives the novel the quality of genuine fiction, an art founded on the principle that human beings change."
That being said, the "evil" glare from Alex in the end of the movie is not the "whole" story. The 21st chapter has him realizing the ease of destruction relative to creation. I read it a long time ago, but it almost seemed, to me, that he stops being destructive in his ways because it was "not cool" anymore. It may draw parallels to medical marijuana because once someone realizes the ease in breaking a vase (or a law) it becomes non-desired due to the fact that the thrill is lost. Alex is always going for the "thrill" but no longer sees it his ways. Thus, change.
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I'm sorry if I'm late for noticing this book club but I think that it's a fantastic idea and I'd love to participate in it if I might. Has there been any word as to when it'll be time to start reading the next book and what it might be?
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We are still doing the movie night correct? =D
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I like "A Brave New World Revisited" as well. Robert Anton Wilson has some good ones too like Prometheus Rising.
My list would include:
Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias Edited by Peter Ludlow
Consent of the Networked: The Worldwide Struggle For Internet Freedom by Rebecca MacKinnon
Drive Yourself Sane: Using the Uncommon Sense of General Semantics
Creative Intelligence and Self-Liberation: Korzybski, Non-Aristotellian Thinking, and Eastern Realization by Ted Falconar
The Penguin and the Leviathan: How Cooperation Triumphs over Self-Interest by Yochai Benkler
Cannabis Prohibition: How the World's Worst Drug Policy Has Suppressed Solutions for Disease, Hunger, Climate Change and More [Kindle Edition]
Justin Kander
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I am new here, so hi all. While I get things setup for myself, I am checking out this thread. I was wondering if you all have read any books that you would consider to be in the economics genre so far, and if so, which ones? If you want to tell me about some books in the econ genre that you all think are interesting, then that's cool too.
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On Economics
1. Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt – Probably the very first book everyone with any interest in economic thought should read. Hazlitt challenges the reader to think beyond the immediate benefits of any economic policy.
2. The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek – This is Hayek’s masterwork, a passionate warning about the dangers of state control of production.
3. The Vision of Ayn Rand: The Basic Principles of Objectivism by Nathaniel Branden – Collection of lectures by Nathaniel Branden providing a detailed exposition of Ayn Rand’s philosophy.
4. The Law by Frederic Bastiat – The 1850 classic about government intervention in the economy causing the subversion of life and liberty.
5. End the Fed by Ron Paul – Congressman Ron Paul’s explanation of the unconstitutionality and danger of the Federal Reserve.
6. Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition by Milton Friedman – an explanation of why competitive capitalism is the necessary framework for economic and political freedom.
7. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand – The towering work of fiction that has changed so many lives. With her narrative and dialogue Ayn Rand makes the unassailable case for capitalism and liberty.
8. The Market for Liberty by Morris and Linda Tannehill – This underappreciated classic persuasively argues for a stateless world where private enterprise provides everything better than government ever could.
9. The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible by Ken Schooland – A very accessible allegorical tale of all the ills of government intervention.
10. Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One by Thomas Sowell – Sowell goes beyond the first stage of a wide range of policies and examines their disastrous effects further down the line. From socialized health care schemes to rent control to government backed mortgages.
Read more: Top Libertarian and Austrian Economic Books http://dailyreckoning.com/top-libertarian-and-austrian-economic-books/#ixzz2CP6ZdneD
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Wasn't there some controversy about that being left out of the movie? In the movie that was the opposite; that "aha" moment came half way through, but when Alex's evil "left" him, so did his humanity. The twist at the very end is that he no longer has to repress his evil, and with this, his freedom and humanity returns.
I've never read the book, but I've read about it, and I've studied the movie intensely.
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Yes, the author had Alex meet up with one of the Droogies who DIDN'T become a policeman. The guy is with a gf or tells Alex he's on his way to meet her. At first Alex tries to taunt him out of his 'safe' life, but he's 'evolved' out of all the kid stuff and you see Alex is left impressed by his friend's maturity. Then Alex demonstrates a changing path, mentioning he's only 17 afterwards.
The author commented that he wanted the book to have an upbeat, more healthy ending, but Hollywood did what they wanted.
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I'm in: love books...or,well, lately, love my Kindle, and just got me a Nexus-7 which is also pretty cool for reading...in the vein we've been talking about, I"d like to suggest just about anything by Thomas Szasz...I"ve been plowing through "Our Right to Drugs" and he's a psychiatrist fairly well known for pulling the blanket out from underneath his own profession...latest book I love is the 3rd Volume in the wonderful biography on Winston Churchill by William Manchester....well...'kind of' by Manchester: Vol 3 we've been waiting for like 20 years and Manchester finally had a couple strokes and before he died, asked his pal, a journalist to finish it...but like the other eagerly awaited book 'Back to Blood' by Tom Wolfe, this just came out this month, and I finished in quckly--long wait--so I'm stoked having my Nexus-7 loaded with this 1000 page bio ... and I've read Churchill's own autobiography, and do feel he was like the last real life bigtime hero of past century and certainly WWII. Read Selfish Gene too, and have started that book of his on atheism, , but it sits lonely on bookshelf, but I have good intentions! Also have here that huge "The Ancestor's Tale' by Dawkins also ;)
But I love to read, and and thanks DPR for bringing it into being...but I'm ready for book, "Defending the Undefendable" should be fun! :)
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Really enjoy reading but never particularly expanded further than authors like Terry Prattchett & his discworld series, Stephen King (the mist etc.), Phillip Pullman trilogy
Can anyone recommend some novels similar to this genre? or even just novels which are fascinating reads
Thanks guys!
KTRA
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On Economics
1. Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt – Probably the very first book everyone with any interest in economic thought should read. Hazlitt challenges the reader to think beyond the immediate benefits of any economic policy.
2. The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek – This is Hayek’s masterwork, a passionate warning about the dangers of state control of production.
3. The Vision of Ayn Rand: The Basic Principles of Objectivism by Nathaniel Branden – Collection of lectures by Nathaniel Branden providing a detailed exposition of Ayn Rand’s philosophy.
4. The Law by Frederic Bastiat – The 1850 classic about government intervention in the economy causing the subversion of life and liberty.
5. End the Fed by Ron Paul – Congressman Ron Paul’s explanation of the unconstitutionality and danger of the Federal Reserve.
6. Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition by Milton Friedman – an explanation of why competitive capitalism is the necessary framework for economic and political freedom.
7. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand – The towering work of fiction that has changed so many lives. With her narrative and dialogue Ayn Rand makes the unassailable case for capitalism and liberty.
8. The Market for Liberty by Morris and Linda Tannehill – This underappreciated classic persuasively argues for a stateless world where private enterprise provides everything better than government ever could.
9. The Adventures of Jonathan Gullible by Ken Schooland – A very accessible allegorical tale of all the ills of government intervention.
10. Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One by Thomas Sowell – Sowell goes beyond the first stage of a wide range of policies and examines their disastrous effects further down the line. From socialized health care schemes to rent control to government backed mortgages.
Read more: Top Libertarian and Austrian Economic Books http://dailyreckoning.com/top-libertarian-and-austrian-economic-books/#ixzz2CP6ZdneD
excellent, I will have to pick some of these.
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About to read escape from evil by Ernest Becker. Can't wait.
The Denial of Death was the most profound book I've ever read and changed my life in many ways. It was like coming into the clear after a lifetime of confusion and fog about how this land of the mind worked and just why I and everyone else was just so damn batshit crazy. Well this wasn''t all good as my comfort blanket against the night was thoroughly ripped away but I would recommend anyone who is interested in learning the "truth" about humans and why we behave as we do, why we have so many fantasies, hopes, dreams, terrors, delusion and attachments to give it a go.
Also been listening to Henry Miller's own reading of his book "To Paint is to Love Again" So far it's brilliant, very relaxing as has inspired me to; in his own words "Paint as you like and die happy". Here it is for anyone interested; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ2tBIal0cw
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I am new here, so hi all. While I get things setup for myself, I am checking out this thread. I was wondering if you all have read any books that you would consider to be in the economics genre so far, and if so, which ones? If you want to tell me about some books in the econ genre that you all think are interesting, then that's cool too.
Monty Catsin gave some awesome recommendations, but I feel it's a bit Objectivism-heavy.
Personally, I would skip Ayn Rand and the Tannenhills (or at least keep it for later!) and add in a lot of Ludwig von Mises: start with 'Planning for Freedom', which contains the most condensed explanation of the market system ever written, then read 'Omnipotent Government' on the intellectual roots of nazism and then move on to his magnum opus 'Human Action'.
The list also needs some Murray Rothbard: 'Anatomy of the State' and 'For A New Liberty' are not quite economics books, but absolutely groundbreaking. Obviously, 'Man, Economy, and State' is THE book on austrian economics.
David Friedman's 'Machinery of Freedom' is a highly entertaining read and offers the Chicago-approach to anarcho-capitalism.
George J. Stigler's 'The Citizen and the State' is quite good, but a lot less "grand" in scope. It focuses only on regulation and the phenomenon of regulatory capture.
And if this all seems a bit overwhelming, Bob Murphy's 'Lessons for the Young Economist' is an excellent introduction to austrian economics.
Lastly, I'd replace Hayek's 'Road To Serfdom' by his essay 'The Use of Knowledge in Society' and then either his last book 'The Fatal Conceit' or 'The Constitution of Liberty'. I disagree strongly with the statement that 'Serfdom' is his masterwork as he hardly even touches upon his most important concept of spontaneous order at all..
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HELP PLEASE!
I can't seem to find the list of all the book club books. I'm just finishing up the first assignment "The Left, the Right, and the State" and would like to see what else has been posted between now and then.
Anybody?
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Having looked at the recommendations above, I should note that I have some familiarity with economics in general. In fact, my username is actually a hint.
Instead of recommending a list of books, I would like ask for something else: if you could recommend just one book or work regarding economics for someone to read and understand, regardless of difficulty, what would that one work be? Ideally, this will get some responses where people have thought about what they think the most important work on economics is. I would ask that you please confine your answer to only one book or work.
Thanks!
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;D PLATOS "REPUBLIC" i particularly like his observations on wealth and poverty.
"a democracy can only be upheld by tyranical methods" plato
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Whew! I know where I'll be spending a lot of time in the near future. I am plowing through "The Rise of Rome" by Anthony Everitt; I haven't read as much of the philosophy oriented material in the past few years, but I think I will be...
Thanx, DPR, for the wonderful idea(s) like the book club & movie night threads.
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;D PLATOS "REPUBLIC" i particularly like his observations on wealth and poverty.
"a democracy can only be upheld by tyranical methods" plato
Plato's Republic is one of my personal favorites as it turns out! In fact, I am a fan of Plato/Socrates in general and have actually read ~15 of Plato's works in total.
It is interesting to note that a few basic economic principles appear in Plato's Republic, e.g. the division and specialization of labor. On top of that, there are discussions involving political economy and moral philosophy generally - who gets what, what is just, what is good, etc. - as well.
I would like to note that one of my beliefs is that economics is essentially a problem of moral philosophy, once you do all you can in terms of technical analysis and the like. Contemporary mainstream economics is mostly based in the world of technical analysis. However, there is a foundation of economics that stems necessarily from moral philosophical positioning, and thus leads to its being mixed generally with the applied philosophy problems of political philosophy, as well as the more theoretic philosophies of metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, and logic. It may be possible that going back to the roots of economics could lead us toward a better understanding of the true nature of the economic problem.
Therefore, I would support looking further at texts outside of the traditional scope of what is typically considered economics. Plato is a great writer because he portrays Socrates as a kind of literary/historical character that is on an eternal quest to find the truth. This is the most important lesson from Plato's works, in my view: that one should always continue the search for truth and never absolutely assume anything at any point of this search; to always perpetually question and re-question one's own views and the views of those around us.
These were just a few thoughts I had when I recalled Plato and economics. Thank you for recommending that book. Again, I am hoping to get a few people to recommend a single book, per my specifications from my earlier post, and I believe this one was a perfect type of response indeed. Thank you again.
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HELP PLEASE!
I can't seem to find the list of all the book club books. I'm just finishing up the first assignment "The Left, the Right, and the State" and would like to see what else has been posted between now and then.
Anybody?
Search for ***DPR'S BOOK CLUB*** and you should find what you're looking for.
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Instead of recommending a list of books, I would like ask for something else: if you could recommend just one book or work regarding economics for someone to read and understand, regardless of difficulty, what would that one work be?
Ludwig von Mises, Human Action.
Most AE-devotees would probably disagree with me and choose Man, Economy, and State over Human Action. Though I think MES is the more complete and consistent work, I found Human Action fun to read whereas much of MES was a drag..
Also, in light of your more recent post on this thread, I'd definitely urge you to read Human Action if you haven't done so yet. If you want economics to go back to its roots, no one does it better than Mises, as he recasts the entire discipline of economics as a praxeological science developed without the use of mathematics from axiomatic principles.
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Looking forward to seeing what the next book club assignment will be. New to the forums but looking forward to joining in on the discussions. Tremendous appreciation and respect for the level of thoughtfulness, intelligence, and lively discourse floating around these boards.
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Instead of recommending a list of books, I would like ask for something else: if you could recommend just one book or work regarding economics for someone to read and understand, regardless of difficulty, what would that one work be?
Ludwig von Mises, Human Action.
Most AE-devotees would probably disagree with me and choose Man, Economy, and State over Human Action. Though I think MES is the more complete and consistent work, I found Human Action fun to read whereas much of MES was a drag..
Also, in light of your more recent post on this thread, I'd definitely urge you to read Human Action if you haven't done so yet. If you want economics to go back to its roots, no one does it better than Mises, as he recasts the entire discipline of economics as a praxeological science developed without the use of mathematics from axiomatic principles.
I have one question left regarding Austrian econ. at this point: is there a good survey/reference of Austrian econ. in general that anyone could recommend? It may be useful to have as I move forward into more of this material.
I'll put Human Action by Mises on my list for sure.
Thanks!
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Dante Alighieri - Divine Comedy
Virgil - Aeneid
Homer - Odyssey
Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince
And of course George Orwell's 1984.
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I confess I am also a reader!
I ind it hard to list my top ten books as its imnpossible really.
I would say try some of the ancient philosophers just to see if we are progressing with regards to our intellectual capacity to understand human nature and life itself.
Here are a few quotes by the Greek philosophers of the day.....
A small rock holds back a great wave. ~ Homer
No man loves life like him that's growing old. ~ Sophocles
The destiny of man is in his own soul. ~ Herodotus
The good and the wise lead quiet lives. ~ Euripedes
Natural forces within us are the true healers of disease. ~ Hippocrates
Let each man exercise the art he knows. ~ Aristophanes
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. ~ Plato
All virtue is summed up in dealing justly. ~ Aristotle (good one for traders and buyers alike!)
The laws of nature are but the mathematical thoughts of God. ~ Euclid
If forced to suggest 2 books I would recommend George Orwells 1984 and Aldous Huxleys 'Brave New World'. These two books combined, seem to actually predict a lot of what is going on today! Read them, you will be shocked.
I read a lot of English history and it always amazes me how the Victorians were so productive! They had access to drugs which we would trully rave about! Pure cocaine HCL, pure morphine, even speed in later times. They had cannabis tincture, hash and cannabis which would bring a 5/5 here from even the most fussy of tokers.
In the 70s, Valium by Roche became the 'cure all' drug handed to anyone who had ANY mental issues, stress or e3ven insecurity. O copurse I tried,, but diazepam is a unny drug - some can go out and drink on it - I tend to sip hal a pint and pretty much its head on the table time or me! So, I use it only as a 'come down' drug in case I'm on any stimulant and, of late, had some wierd shift hours so it helps to sleep when I'm wired up a little.
One book I can reccommend, a book which opened my eyes a lot is the book 'And the Band Played On'. Its a very big book and details the history o how aids first began to show up in the USA and the dedicated doc whose effforts, with others. led to the disease being recognised and for preventative measures to be taken.
I also like some poetry also, plus some horror, but not much.
I also like reading the old childrens classics we all read as kids! These books show how a book is written - the skill of the writers and their aility to bring you into the story is amazing.
I am also the co author of a safety manuel!
I also like to write short stories, had a few published! These are magazine stories and to be honest I basically just make something up and get a couple to split the money!
I also got told off at work for writing a short story about a lesbien who had access to pharm grade drugs o all descriptions. The story line was that she seduces some chick but invites me to the party! I thought it was well written, but the boss panicked in case the emails got out to the high up bosses.
I'm currently writing a guide to the female orgasm. Had it printed on business-cards. My advice is to drink 8 cans of bitter, watch match of the day - then she will come if your team win. Also, all you got to do is offer her some LSD, that way you actually make love ina real profound way!
With cocaine, its more a case of keep on banging as hard as you can and for as long as you can.
I'm so good I can knock my chick out, have her snoring because I've obviously banged her into dreamland!
Trouble is, banging an unconcious woman is non consensual - so of course I have to roll off the point of the Zzzzz Orgasm.
My next book is 'gay sex for the straight guy'. I explain how you can bond with the bros but without being gay! You basically put a rubber mask of Kylie Minogue on them -put some football on, drink 8 cans and well, whatever!
;D
But sure, reading is important!!!!!!
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Hello RED!
I liked your greek quotes - they are worth remembering. I can understand your boss's "argh" about the pharmacist with all the script, etc. I work about 5m from the hospital pharmacy. I've had similar ideas, but I ain't dare gonna put them on e-mail (unless I pop a couple of valiums or Xanaxs!)
8)
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Very interested in this book club and the current book, gonna jump on this today.
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I like "A Brave New World Revisited" as well. Robert Anton Wilson has some good ones too like Prometheus Rising.
My list would include:
Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias Edited by Peter Ludlow
Consent of the Networked: The Worldwide Struggle For Internet Freedom by Rebecca MacKinnon
Drive Yourself Sane: Using the Uncommon Sense of General Semantics
Creative Intelligence and Self-Liberation: Korzybski, Non-Aristotellian Thinking, and Eastern Realization by Ted Falconar
The Penguin and the Leviathan: How Cooperation Triumphs over Self-Interest by Yochai Benkler
Cannabis Prohibition: How the World's Worst Drug Policy Has Suppressed Solutions for Disease, Hunger, Climate Change and More [Kindle Edition]
Justin Kander
This is a quote from a page or so back, apologies!
You've got a lot of General Semantics on there but you've not recommended the fountain head! Science and Sanity is a good, if incredibly dense, read. (That was almost a joke if you've read about General Semantics at all ;))
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! If you are a Spartan of the body and an Athenian of the mind, you have a lot going for you right there.
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Epic Statement!
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Sick Sick Sick. I might just stop doing drugs and just participate in this club!
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There was a book i had a while back which i can't find anymore.
Made in the 70's and called something like "how to take cocaine" or something. It had information on the best way to take coke at parties, note rolling techniques, how to store it, etc. I found it cute and very funny. Also quite informative! Anyone know what book this might have been?
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just finished reading the last 10 pages of this thread now to start on the book.
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subscribed to thread
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Does anyone know how Creative Intelligence and Self-Liberation: Korzybski, Non-Aristotellian Thinking, and Eastern Realization by Ted Falconar is? I couldnt find that many reviews of it online. Sorry if my google fu just sucks
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What should I read first? Or should I just jump onto the book that is currently being discussed?
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When I joined SR on the old site, I made a post on the old forum called "You're a Revolutionary and you don't even know it" and introduced Agorism and referenced The New Libertarian Manifesto. :D
What book are we reading? Where we is?
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I have a nomination for the club: The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov, great satire on the bureaucracy, and just one of the most phenomenal novels I have ever read
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Super happy I stumbled upon this thread and to also realize there are so many like minded people here. I just started a book called Confessions of an Economic Hit Man and it is truly a great read. Pretty eye opening as well. Looking forward to what future books lie ahead for this group.
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Hi all, love this thread, the current book, The creature from Jeckyll Island has long been a favourite. Just wondering if there are any F Paul Wilson fans here. I preferred Enemy of the State to Alongside Night, although i did love both. The repariman jack series is also a lot of fun, i highly recommend to everybody. Enemy of the state is about a non violent revolution to overthrow an oppressive government and is very well written.
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Hello all, I'm sure most of you are aware of this but figured I would post it any way. There is an IRC room called #bookz with bots that host just about every book known to man in PDF/rtx/txt format.
CLEARNET: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bookz
Definitely something everyone who loves reading should know about.
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Subbed for when I finish these Gaiman books I've been on. Can't wait! ^.^
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Hello all, I'm sure most of you are aware of this but figured I would post it any way. There is an IRC room called #bookz with bots that host just about every book known to man in PDF/rtx/txt format.
CLEARNET: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bookz
Definitely something everyone who loves reading should know about.
good lord that is epic
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Hello all, I'm sure most of you are aware of this but figured I would post it any way. There is an IRC room called #bookz with bots that host just about every book known to man in PDF/rtx/txt format.
CLEARNET: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bookz
Definitely something everyone who loves reading should know about.
good lord that is epic
Indeed! +1
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Thanks to Capslockian for having a great user name and finding us a treasure trove of information.
My Kindle overflows!
Show me a well read man or women and I'll show you someone who can have a conversation.
Actually, we have a good philisophical discussion going on in work right now.
Well, more like 'who has the best hash' conversation, but we are at the stage of being stoned before noon so the conversation is pretty varied. One premise we are debating is that you cannot have a civilised society until a certain percentage of people like to get high and read.
I love going to old book shops after a sly joint.
I've got 3 book cases plus over 1 million e-books.
Not got round to reading all those so if someone has a cure for death, I'll pay a few btc for that then go to the pub and announce mny immortality (to jeers)
Yup, this dying shit is a bummer for us readers.
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i just came in to say that i do like the premise of a book club. i look forward to taking part in the community exercise.
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IRC?
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IRC is Internet Relay Chat.
That is most amazing.
Subbing and checking out that site link thanks=)
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Hello all, I'm sure most of you are aware of this but figured I would post it any way. There is an IRC room called #bookz with bots that host just about every book known to man in PDF/rtx/txt format.
CLEARNET: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bookz
Definitely something everyone who loves reading should know about.
Yo brother, im on this channel now using xchat and this shit cant even find harry potter let alone every book known to man lol.
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I forget the thread but there was a guy writing a crazy story about meth in OT thread. He only got through 6 chapters tho and its been dead for a few months:(
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This thread seems to be dying :( I think everyone who is interested in getting down on reading something just write here and we'll figure out the book and the pace at which everyone is comfortable reading.
Any takers?
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Im down MR dandan, lest spread some knowledge
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Hey all, yeah I agree, I don't want this thread to die either. Maybe DPR's too busy dealing with the feedback overhaul to be worrying about his reading lists. I've been doing a lot of reading this summer. Been tearing through some Charles Bukowski novels. So far I've read Invisible Monsters, Ham on Rye, Hollywood, Choke and I'm just getting into another of his. He wrote Fight Club and if you enjoyed that then you'd definitely enjoy these. He used to sit at the typewriter powering through several bottles of wine and writing in the evening and then he'd delete some of it the next day, but a lot of it he'd keep. He's great, very funny and engrossing and you feel sad when you've finished the novel. Out of them all I enjoyed Invisible Monsters the most, although they were all great. I read Women too which was just him going on about all the tail he got after he became semi famous and him drinking loads. Boys, if you're in dire need of getting laid, become a published author like your Uncle Chuck!
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book club sounds nice. what are we reading now? I'll jump in with some of my favorites as suggestions of course. for right now It'd just be cool if we could do 'zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance' . its a personal fav and was a gift from a mentor. but that just depends on if yall are interested and if yall aren't in the middle of something now.
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This is good reading and you could also say its a study of those who hate DPR
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
It's called ' The Authoritarians"', and its quite long.
I skipped the chapters on religion because gods pretty much dead in my country but the personality types studied in the book are universal.
Very educating on the type's of people who'd like to crush silk road and hang drug users ;0
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This is good reading and you could also say its a study of those who hate DPR
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
It's called ' The Authoritarians"', and its quite long.
I skipped the chapters on religion because gods pretty much dead in my country but the personality types studied in the book are universal.
Very educating on the type's of people who'd like to crush silk road and hang drug users ;0
Seeing as how I have no other recommendations this one sounds good ;D
If everyone is ok with this should we get started?