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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: kmfkewm on July 29, 2012, 03:26 am
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The only reason to not anonymously attack LE is that there is a death penalty in some countries, but I don't understand vendors in countries without death penalties and with strict drug laws, why don't you mail bombs to law enorcement agents? You should be anonymous in either case right? I mean, if they can get you mailing one thing why not another. So I guess what I don't understand is, why do you risk going to jail forever mailing drugs, when you could risk going to jail forever mailing bombs to people who want you to go to jail forever for mailing drugs?
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... What the fuck, dude? Just... seriously, what the fuck?
Delete this thread, man. Don't even suggest shit like that.
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... What the fuck, dude? Just... seriously, what the fuck?
Delete this thread, man. Don't even suggest shit like that.
delete the truth that there is no reason not to ?
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The only reason to not anonymously attack LE is that there is a death penalty in some countries, but I don't understand vendors in countries without death penalties and with strict drug laws, why don't you mail bombs to law enorcement agents? You should be anonymous in either case right? I mean, if they can get you mailing one thing why not another. So I guess what I don't understand is, why do you risk going to jail forever mailing drugs, when you could risk going to jail forever mailing bombs to people who want you to go to jail forever for mailing drugs?
Mailing bombs isn't very profitable. Also, the real delinquents aren't the mail clerks at the police station.
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i thought he was talking about mailing bombs to federal agents' homes, which i fully support
direct action is the one of the few strategies left against a state that uses violence against us already
I don't. They're just doing a fucking job. That's like saying "Hey, it's cool to mailbomb a veterinarian because I don't fucking know, I'm a dog and I don't want to lose my balls I guess."
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The only reason to not anonymously attack LE is that there is a death penalty in some countries, but I don't understand vendors in countries without death penalties and with strict drug laws, why don't you mail bombs to law enorcement agents? You should be anonymous in either case right? I mean, if they can get you mailing one thing why not another. So I guess what I don't understand is, why do you risk going to jail forever mailing drugs, when you could risk going to jail forever mailing bombs to people who want you to go to jail forever for mailing drugs?
Mailing bombs isn't very profitable. Also, the real delinquents aren't the mail clerks at the police station.
sure it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market
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i thought he was talking about mailing bombs to federal agents' homes, which i fully support
direct action is the one of the few strategies left against a state that uses violence against us already
I don't. They're just doing a fucking job. That's like saying "Hey, it's cool to mailbomb a veterinarian because I don't fucking know, I'm a dog and I don't want to lose my balls I guess."
yes and your job can be sending them mail bombs. Do you think you should be punished for that? why you are just doing a job...
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The only reason to not anonymously attack LE is that there is a death penalty in some countries, but I don't understand vendors in countries without death penalties and with strict drug laws, why don't you mail bombs to law enorcement agents? You should be anonymous in either case right? I mean, if they can get you mailing one thing why not another. So I guess what I don't understand is, why do you risk going to jail forever mailing drugs, when you could risk going to jail forever mailing bombs to people who want you to go to jail forever for mailing drugs?
Mailing bombs isn't very profitable. Also, the real delinquents aren't the mail clerks at the police station.
sure it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market
It's not an assassination if it's indiscriminate. No one's going to pay you to kill random low-level government workers.
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i thought he was talking about mailing bombs to federal agents' homes, which i fully support
direct action is the one of the few strategies left against a state that uses violence against us already
I don't. They're just doing a fucking job. That's like saying "Hey, it's cool to mailbomb a veterinarian because I don't fucking know, I'm a dog and I don't want to lose my balls I guess."
yes and your job can be sending them mail bombs
My philosophy is "do no harm", man. I think this thread should be deleted. It serves no purpose, goes against SRs ideals, and will probably be used in a federal indictment somewhere down the line.
And, personally? I wouldn't be totally surprised if you were testifying.
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The other problem with your idea, man, is that it someone tried to pull this shit, it becomes a terrorist attack, and all of SR is known as a terrorist hide out. Fucking delete this thread, for fucks sake. We don't need that. You're only hurting SR by posting this.
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All I have asked is the simple question, if mailing one thing or another will cost you your life in either case if you are apprehended for having mailed, what causes you to choose one of those things over the other?
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The other problem with your idea, man, is that it someone tried to pull this shit, it becomes a terrorist attack, and all of SR is known as a terrorist hide out. Fucking delete this thread, for fucks sake. We don't need that. You're only hurting SR by posting this.
How so? Is the stellar reputation of SR now in shambles ? Now people might think we want to kill police in addition to poisoning their children?
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every time someone goes to jail on a drug charge its a fucking terrorist attack on freedom, why not treat the attackers as the enemy combatants that they are?
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who cares if you murder an agent of the state?
I don't , at all! Please kill these people who want me to be ass raped for minding my own business and hurting nobody!!
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All I have asked is the simple question, if mailing one thing or another will cost you your life in either case if you are apprehended for having mailed, what causes you to choose one of those things over the other?
Because my philosophy is "do no harm".
every time someone goes to jail on a drug charge its a fucking terrorist attack on freedom, why not treat the attackers as the enemy combatants that they are?
Actually, it is a social and political attack on your freedom. Terrorism is a bit different.
who cares if you murder an agent of the state?
I don't , at all! Please kill these people who want me to be ass raped for minding my own business and hurting nobody!!
"Please kill these people" and "I'm not hurting anybody" don't really go together very well.
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i thought he was talking about mailing bombs to federal agents' homes, which i fully support
direct action is the one of the few strategies left against a state that uses violence against us already
I don't. They're just doing a fucking job. That's like saying "Hey, it's cool to mailbomb a veterinarian because I don't fucking know, I'm a dog and I don't want to lose my balls I guess."
yes and your job can be sending them mail bombs
My philosophy is "do no harm", man. I think this thread should be deleted. It serves no purpose, goes against SRs ideals, and will probably be used in a federal indictment somewhere down the line.
And, personally? I wouldn't be totally surprised if you were testifying.
Are the ideal of SR to live in a state that you hide what you do out of the fear that a bunch of assholes with guns will show up and sentence you to be ass raped? If so, fuck SR. I thought SR was agorist
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All I have asked is the simple question, if mailing one thing or another will cost you your life in either case if you are apprehended for having mailed, what causes you to choose one of those things over the other?
Because my philosophy is "do no harm".
every time someone goes to jail on a drug charge its a fucking terrorist attack on freedom, why not treat the attackers as the enemy combatants that they are?
Actually, it is a social and political attack on your freedom. Terrorism is a bit different.
who cares if you murder an agent of the state?
I don't , at all! Please kill these people who want me to be ass raped for minding my own business and hurting nobody!!
"Please kill these people" and "I'm not hurting anybody" don't really go together very well.
You are right I am all in favor of hurting those who want me to be ass raped for minding my own business
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i thought he was talking about mailing bombs to federal agents' homes, which i fully support
direct action is the one of the few strategies left against a state that uses violence against us already
I don't. They're just doing a fucking job. That's like saying "Hey, it's cool to mailbomb a veterinarian because I don't fucking know, I'm a dog and I don't want to lose my balls I guess."
yes and your job can be sending them mail bombs
My philosophy is "do no harm", man. I think this thread should be deleted. It serves no purpose, goes against SRs ideals, and will probably be used in a federal indictment somewhere down the line.
And, personally? I wouldn't be totally surprised if you were testifying.
Are the ideal of SR to live in a state that you hide what you do out of the fear that a bunch of assholes with guns will show up and sentence you to be ass raped? If so, fuck SR. I thought SR was agorist
The ideals of SR are to NOT FUCKING BOMB PEOPLE. And, y'know, to provide an environment that proves drugs can be handled responsibly, I think. That's how it always looked to me, at least. All that shit about "No skimmers, no stolen identities, no poison, don't fucking hurt people, don't spill addresses", right? You're the anathema of SR, that's for fucking sure. :/
Oh jesus, this thread is a clusterfuck. Nevermind.
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If you remember back when, I had a thread like this, albeit I was asking whether or not a defensive posture always makes logical sense for tactical reasons.
My main problems with killing LE agents is:
1. The intelligence agencies will be forced to hunt us down as domestic terrorists. So... that could be a practical problem, ha. Seeing as right now we're leagues out of their jurisdiction, seems like a good idea to keep it that way.
2. Some LE agents pretty much agree with us completely and soften the face of the hardliners in the DEA.
3. Reputational damage to the Silk Road, which is after all, a market, a business and not an army, its appointment as a service depends entirely on being in the people's favor.
However there is a 4th point I think you're missing here kmf. Sending mail bombs is not a terribly efficient method of obtaining results however thrilling it may seem. I mean that you could kill an awful lot of people if
you planned it correctly, but if it doesn't achieve a higher goal, then what is the entire point? It strikes me
as both unimaginative and unambitious. I have been studying the Baader-Meinhof group and I hate to fail.
I think the Silk Road correctly views soft power as the best available weapon to influence the course of
events in its favor.
However, major caveat. If we all literally were being collected into boxcars and put into concentration camps
to be tortured and murdered, then obviously the gloves come off and it is a fight to the death until one of us
is the victor. You can tell me this is already happening in some areas, and I would agree it is occurring in particular places, but that is a proxy war mostly waged in the South America countries and Mexico.
I mean, I sympathize with the plight of those involved and otherwise caught up in those underground conflicts, but the Drug War is still a metaphorical concept inside the West. That is kinda the tacitly agreed deal. Make no mistake, I think it could spread to North America and Europe much more easily than most people imagine, but right now it is not. If LEO ultimately comes to force our hand (this happened before in Maoist China as students of history will know), then the economics of System D will lend support to political action which will obviously begin the equivalent of an Operation Condor with a series of targeted assassinations and finance a coup or two.
However, such thoughts are ludicrous right now. For one thing, we are closer than ever before to winning the Drug War. More Americans agree with SR's fundamental positions than ever before. There will come a tipping point and the DEA will quietly have its teeth filed down and its warmongers retired. Why get in the way of some an excellent result? A war today would tip the balance in the favor of the DEA, not ourselves.
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I agree that the gov. is a corrupt sham and ofcourse fuck the police but....killing police officers in my view is the same thing as killing somebody with a mental illness. Most (if not all) cops do what they do because they are brainwashed not necessarily because they are inherently evil people. Given the right circumstances anybody here couldve grown up to be a cop...think about it. We where just lucky...
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All that shit about "No skimmers, no stolen identities, no poison, don't fucking hurt people, don't spill addresses", right?
i agree with you about all that. skimmers and stolen identities facilitate theft, which is violence against another person, which is wrong. poison is typically used to facilitate violence against another person, which is wrong. spilling addresses is wrong because it exposes oneself to violence from the state.
now, what's morally wrong about responding to the threat of violence by an institution, for doing things that aren't wrong (in my case, my life would effectively be over if i got popped for distru) with violence of your own against said institution?
What is morally wrong is that you're talking about targeting people who are only AGENTS of the institution. You're talking about hurting PEOPLE. Not vague concepts. Violence against another person is wrong, as you said. The institution is the problem, not the agents of it.
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I agree that the gov. is a corrupt sham and ofcourse fuck the police but....killing police officers in my view is the same thing as killing somebody with a mental illness. Most (if not all) cops do what they do because they are brainwashed not necessarily because they are inherently evil people. Given the right circumstances anybody here couldve grown up to be a cop...think about it. We where just lucky...
Man, I wish I'd grown up to be a cop. I'd be arresting so many heroin and meth dealers... and giving tip-offs to keep the weed-guys out of jail. ;D
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Posting stupid shit about wanting to kill law enforcement and advocating child pornography gives Silk Road users a bad name and gives ammunition for government agencies and media to crucify us. You're no better than that fucker who shot all those people in Colorado, you're a domestic terrorist, who happens to not have an issue with children being sexually exploited on the internet. You're way too extremist. Call it agorism or anarchy or libertarianism, but at the end of the day you're the guy wanting to mail bombs to people and doesn't have an issue with a child getting molested by his weird uncle. Tainting bills with hash oil, or sticking pennies up your ass is one thing, mailing people bombs is another. I want to peacefully co-exist with law enforcement and this site is a an example of how the drug war is failing; that users can peacefully partake in transactions and substances without interfering with society. I think the goal here is a change of policy or acceptance, not blowing up fuckers in federal buildings like Timothy McVeigh.
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Posting stupid shit about wanting to kill law enforcement and advocating child pornography gives Silk Road users a bad name and gives ammunition for government agencies and media to crucify us. You're no better than that fucker who shot all those people in Colorado, you're a domestic terrorist, who happens to not have an issue with children being sexually exploited on the internet. You're way too extremist. Call it agorism or anarchy or libertarianism, but at the end of the day you're the guy wanting to mail bombs to people and doesn't have an issue with a child getting molested by his weird uncle. Tainting bills with hash oil, or sticking pennies up your ass is one thing, mailing people bombs is another. I want to peacefully co-exist with law enforcement and this site is a an example of how the drug war is failing; that users can peacefully partake in transactions and substances without interfering with society. I think the goal here is a change of policy or acceptance, not blowing up fuckers in federal buildings like Timothy McVeigh.
Fuck yes. First time I've given you karma, or even fully agreed with you, but fuck yes.
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Essentially the TLDR; version of what everybody else is saying kmf/shannon, is that you don't have a popular mandate. Without that you're sunk, you don't have the market behind you. Unconventional warfare only works when there's an enormous groundswell of support. The force with the largest amount of control over GDP inside the territory being fought over wins every single time, that's what history says.
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+100 to what Pine said a few posts earlier. Best to find ways to outsmart LE not attack them.
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Needle exchanges are an example of ignorance and the need for policy reform and hopefully not spite. People addicted to drugs are going to get them and use them, may it be with a clean needle or a used needle with pond water. Blowing fuckers up is certainly not going to win anyone over. Mail sent to federal buildings and agencies is scrutinized with spectrometers and shit, and to think you'd attempt to blow up a building is disturbing.
Have you ever been to a federal building? it's not just the DEA or law enforcement. Innocent government workers and for fucks sake, local military recruiters and MEPS stations are in federal buildings. Are you going to start killing American soldiers as well? It's the policy, not the people that enforce the laws that need to be dealt with.
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killing police officers in my view is the same thing as killing somebody with a mental illness.
the mentally ill population doesn't exist solely to murder or imprison me and commit violence against american citizens, the state and its agents do
What is morally wrong is that you're talking about targeting people who are only AGENTS of the institution. You're talking about hurting PEOPLE. Not vague concepts. Violence against another person is wrong, as you said. The institution is the problem, not the agents of it.
what is the institution if not the people that make it up?
there are other various reasons that federal agents should be murdered. consider that there is no argument that the war on drugs threatens public health and spreads disease and death, be it due to hiv/hep c/tuberculosis because needle exchanges are illegal; the harm caused by addicts using high-risk routes of administration to maximize their "bang for the buck" due to enforcement-related price inflation; the increased risk of poisoning due to toxic bulking agents (something never experienced in licit markets); the increased risk of poisoning due to the distribution of designer drugs created due to enforcement; the deaths caused by relapse overdoses due to opioid substitution therapy being illegal; etc., etc. see http://www.countthecosts.org/sites/default/files/AWDR.pdf and http://globalcommissionondrugs.org/wp-content/themes/gcdp_v1/pdf/GCDP_HIV-AIDS_2012_REFERENCE.pdf
this is monopoly force being used on the part of the feds that directly results in biological and chemical hazards. if islamic terrorists infected many thousands of people with hiv and hep c, or poisoned them with impure drugs, we would rightfully consider it a devastating attack and murder them all. why shouldn't feds be murdered when they do the same thing by waging asymmetrical chemical and biological warfare against americans?
You're no better than that fucker who shot all those people in Colorado
he murdered innocent people and should be executed for his crimes. why do you not seem to grasp that the feds aren't innocent, that they are the single biggest perpetrator of violence in this country?
If the part of your problem with "the man" is that the war on drugs causes a lot of bad shit...
Why, again, do you think fucking BOMBING PEOPLE will help?
I'm gonna tone down my "what the fuck is wrong with you" as I say this, but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Popular support, ie the public, is not gotten with explosions. The absolute FASTEST way to cause a groundswell of support for the war on drugs is to stop bombing people because "oh no the man wants to arrest me."
... Seriously, you guys are LE, right? You and k-whateverhisnameis? I mean, only a complete fucking moron(Oh, lost the tone-down, sorry) would think that terrorist fucking acts could possibly convince people to change their minds. Peace changes minds, not explosions.
I mean, a moron or... a politician. Or the head of the DEA, trying to get more money and support.
I mean, motherfucker, you see smart. Both of you do. Or you present yourself as smart, at least. But an intelligent, rational person without ulterior motives(more money for the DEA)... they wouldn't support this kind of idea.
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Essentially the TLDR; version of what everybody else is saying kmf/shannon, is that you don't have a popular mandate. Without that you're sunk, you don't have the market behind you. Unconventional warfare only works when there's an enormous groundswell of support. The force with the largest amount of control over GDP inside the territory being fought over wins every single time, that's what history says.
i accept that other people may have an stockholm syndrome-esque relationship with the state and will disapprove of violence against it, usually with some useless platitude like "we are the government!" that doesn't mean that i won't resist violence against me with violence of my own
Go out in a blaze of gunfire when the cops bust down your door. Don't ruin it for everyone fucking else.
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Considering most of these fuckers work out of federal building I assumed OP wants to pull some McVeigh shit. Great, all we need is that "CNN news story" that's going to be aired soon to mention the bombing threats and weird fuckers who like to watch kids take shits. Real progressive man.
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If you remember back when, I had a thread like this, albeit I was asking whether or not a defensive posture always makes logical sense for tactical reasons.
My main problems with killing LE agents is:
1. The intelligence agencies will be forced to hunt us down as domestic terrorists. So... that could be a practical problem, ha. Seeing as right now we're leagues out of their jurisdiction, seems like a good idea to keep it that way.
2. Some LE agents pretty much agree with us completely and soften the face of the hardliners in the DEA.
3. Reputational damage to the Silk Road, which is after all, a market, a business and not an army, its appointment as a service depends entirely on being in the people's favor.
However there is a 4th point I think you're missing here kmf. Sending mail bombs is not a terribly efficient method of obtaining results however thrilling it may seem. I mean that you could kill an awful lot of people if
you planned it correctly, but if it doesn't achieve a higher goal, then what is the entire point? It strikes me
as both unimaginative and unambitious. I have been studying the Baader-Meinhof group and I hate to fail.
I think the Silk Road correctly views soft power as the best available weapon to influence the course of
events in its favor.
However, major caveat. If we all literally were being collected into boxcars and put into concentration camps
to be tortured and murdered, then obviously the gloves come off and it is a fight to the death until one of us
is the victor. You can tell me this is already happening in some areas, and I would agree it is occurring in particular places, but that is a proxy war mostly waged in the South America countries and Mexico.
I mean, I sympathize with the plight of those involved and otherwise caught up in those underground conflicts, but the Drug War is still a metaphorical concept inside the West. That is kinda the tacitly agreed deal. Make no mistake, I think it could spread to North America and Europe much more easily than most people imagine, but right now it is not. If LEO ultimately comes to force our hand (this happened before in Maoist China as students of history will know), then the economics of System D will lend support to political action which will obviously begin the equivalent of an Operation Condor with a series of targeted assassinations and finance a coup or two.
However, such thoughts are ludicrous right now. For one thing, we are closer than ever before to winning the Drug War. More Americans agree with SR's fundamental positions than ever before. There will come a tipping point and the DEA will quietly have its teeth filed down and its warmongers retired. Why get in the way of some an excellent result? A war today would tip the balance in the favor of the DEA, not ourselves.
Dammit Pine your posts are always on point I feel like I just steal your opinions :D
1. I agree, so long as we don't mess with LE they won't really mess with us unless we start giving them a reason too and attacking them with bombs, threats, etc is certainly a reason to come after us.
2.I feel like a lot LEOs agree with what SR is doing because essentially we're cutting down on local drug crime, before I found SR I used to have to go through scary people just to finally get a connect. On top of that we're really ruining the cartel's business which I think LE can agree is good.
3.Exactly, if we show nothing but compassion and show that we are the drug revolution then people will see that there is nothing wrong with responsible adults wanting to experience drugs without risking having to go out in public and getting hurt.
4. Well, you said it perfectly.
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Mail sent to federal buildings and agencies is scrutinized with spectrometers and shit, and to think you'd attempt to blow up a building is disturbing.
Have you ever been to a federal building? it's not just the DEA or law enforcement. Innocent government workers and for fucks sake, local military recruiters and MEPS stations are in federal buildings.
i don't think K was talking about bombing federal facilities. i certainly wasn't, the mail clerk working a federal building would never be a justifiable target, how is a mail clerk committing violence against anybody? those buildings are full of innocent folk, just like you said. i was talking more about picking off enforcement agents and policymakers like michele leonhart one by one
... I'm not going to object to wanting to kill the guys who are helping keep the bullshit-laws in place. I wouldn't even suggest an actual attack... but holy fuck, some politicians are so corrupt they just need to die.
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I fucking hate Holder! Impeach those fuckers! Repeal congress! If enough people are sick of our government we have a constitutional right to remove them. Do you realize the shit storm that would result in some assassinations? The results outweigh the actions. Nothing good would come of it.
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I agree that the gov. is a corrupt sham and ofcourse fuck the police but....killing police officers in my view is the same thing as killing somebody with a mental illness. Most (if not all) cops do what they do because they are brainwashed not necessarily because they are inherently evil people. Given the right circumstances anybody here couldve grown up to be a cop...think about it. We where just lucky...
If some schizophrenic is coming at me please kill him as well
it is not our jobs to educate people towards our point of view but it is our right to not be persecuted for fucking nothing
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If the part of your problem with "the man" is that the war on drugs causes a lot of bad shit...
Why, again, do you think fucking BOMBING PEOPLE will help?
I'm gonna tone down my "what the fuck is wrong with you" as I say this, but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Popular support, ie the public, is not gotten with explosions. The absolute FASTEST way to cause a groundswell of support for the war on drugs is to stop bombing people because "oh no the man wants to arrest me."
Do you realize the shit storm that would result in some assassinations? The results outweigh the actions. Nothing good would come of it.
i agree that assassinations are... suboptimal from a PR standpoint to say the least :P but i don't think either of you have advanced a convincing argument that feds DON'T deserve to die
I didn't say they don't deserve to die... just that we shouldn't be killing them. I'm aces with LE, though. They do a job and I don't hate people for their jobs. It's the politicians I have a problem with. The fucking policy-makers who caused this shitstorm of a problem in the first place... those guys deserve to die. The fuckers in GM that worked to close all the electric railways just to make gas-guzzlers more popular should have been killed, too.
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Blowing fuckers up gives the government reason to enact a police state. It's counter-productive. It would result in more scrutiny of mail and fucking censorship and law enforcement. And don't call me a counter-revolutionary. If fuckers start some 1984 shit and there's some protests I'm pulling out mortar shells and zip guns. This thread is stupid.
What more police action do you want from them, if you smoke the wrong plant they will send you to a very real fucking prison
of course the government has measures in place to protect itself from attack, but the government has measures in place to prevent you from exploiting mail and the internet for drug dealing as well....the government is not all powerful
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Certain fuckers who operate without logic and run on bile, propaganda and misinformation are undeserving of life if they do not strive toward a peaceful and tolerant society. But might I ask who are we to choose who lives or dies? Is there some criteria? Do I necessarily wish death upon those who would wish that I be imprisoned and raped in the ass for ordering MDMA or marijuana in the mail? Not particularly. From the viewpoint of society, from the perspective of the majority we are criminals and deserve our punishment. The only way to reform policy or move toward acceptance is peaceful co-existence. Assassinations will get us nowhere. The only result would be more law-enforcement.
The United States Postal Service requires a warrant to open packages. Do you guys really want to fuck that up by mailing bombs?
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+100 to what Pine said a few posts earlier. Best to find ways to outsmart LE not attack them.
why not outsmart their defenses and attack them successfully ?
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+100 to what Pine said a few posts earlier. Best to find ways to outsmart LE not attack them.
why not outsmart their defenses and attack them successfully ?
Okay, YOU. You, kmfkewm, I think are some kind of LEA. The way you're pushing this just reeks, so fucking much, of a bullshit political agenda. Like you're trying to create a whole lot of shit that can be held up in front of congress so you can say "THEMS PEOPLE RAWR BAD GIVE MOONY SO I CAN RRESTS THEMS!" while pretending that you aren't the one saying the shit.
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The fuckers in GM that worked to close all the electric railways just to make gas-guzzlers more popular should have been killed, too.
why do you think this? GM bought out streetcar and electric rail companies, then dismantled them and replaced them with buses. they never pointed a gun at anybody or threw anybody in jail for operating a streetcar
Let me walk you through the process.
Make gas-car.
Lose market share due to public electric transport system.
Buy electric rail company.
Close electric rail company.
Gain market share due to lack of public electric transport system.
Sell gar-based vehicles! Yay!
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I was only able to read this shit to about the middle of the third page. What the fuck is wrong with some of you? I mean really. Fucking crazies came out tonight or something. Killing people is wrong. If you do not like what ever is going on where ever you are from try to change it the right way or leave. No one is forcing you to stay where ever you are. Seriously stop hiding out on message boards in the middle of the night and go do some productive to fix what ever is you disagree with. But don't be crazy about it.
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+100 to what Pine said a few posts earlier. Best to find ways to outsmart LE not attack them.
why not outsmart their defenses and attack them successfully ?
Okay, YOU. You, kmfkewm, I think are some kind of LEA. The way you're pushing this just reeks, so fucking much, of a bullshit political agenda. Like you're trying to create a whole lot of shit that can be held up in front of congress so you can say "THEMS PEOPLE RAWR BAD GIVE MOONY SO I CAN RRESTS THEMS!" while pretending that you aren't the one saying the shit.
And you are crazy to think that these things will not come to pass regardless of my existence in this world
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yeah, i know that's what gm did. at what point did they ever commit theft or violence against anybody? they never stole from or imprisoned anybody who operated an electric rail company or refused to sell theirs to gm, the way that the feds steal from or imprison their victims. it just seems like smart business to me
That's the difference between you and me, I guess. "Smart" business or not, it still fucked over... well, the rest of the world, really. You hate the feds for what they do, I hate GM because what they did it so much worse, on the grand scale.
I can't karma you $20bill for another 72 hours. Stop making me want to give you more, dammit!
Also Shannon, that mandatory tax on ex-pats is fucking BULLSHIT. Which is why you shouldn't even tell the government you're leaving them. Fuck those guys.
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I watched a documentary about the decline of the streetcar. I think Henry Ford was a fucking Nazi. Have you ever heard of the Business Plot to overthrow the government and enact a Fascist dictatorship?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
But what does GM have to do with drug policy and killing motherfuckers?
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I watched a documentary about the decline of the streetcar. I think Henry Ford was a fucking Nazi. Have you ever heard of the Business Plot to overthrow the government and enact a Fascist dictatorship?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
But what does GM have to do with drug policy and killing motherfuckers?
You already answered your own question. Killing motherfuckers means GM should have been killed. ;D
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Essentially the TLDR; version of what everybody else is saying kmf/shannon, is that you don't have a popular mandate. Without that you're sunk, you don't have the market behind you. Unconventional warfare only works when there's an enormous groundswell of support. The force with the largest amount of control over GDP inside the territory being fought over wins every single time, that's what history says.
i accept that other people may have an stockholm syndrome-esque relationship with the state and will disapprove of violence against it, usually with some useless platitude like "we are the government!" that doesn't mean that i won't resist violence against me with violence of my own
But Shannon, I am not arguing against violence as a tool. Although sympathetic to the anarcho-capitalists like anaracho54, I think there is a limit to the NAP concept. There are exceptions that prove (as in test) the rule.
Violence is legitimate when you are being physically and directly attacked. Hardly anybody would disagree to that, since natural selection, well...
Violence is also legitimate when you have a mandate from the market/people (don't see a distinction between those two things). Violence is also completely legitimate for the state to use in certain situations. For example, picture this in your mind's eye:
You are alone in your house, possibly on SRF. You hear somebody knocking on the door quietly and run down to investigate the source of the noise. There is a little girl, only 7 or 8, carrying a small baby. Her clothes are stained with blood and she trembles constantly as she tells you that her Father has attacked her Mother in a intoxicated rage and caved in her head with a tinned can in the kitchen. She waited until he began to sleep in a drunken stupor and then took her smaller sibling and ran as fast as she could from her house to yours where she is now appealing for you to help.
Your options:
1. Take on this degenerate yourself.
2. Call the police.
3. Do nothing.
4. Call your friends and take this guy on.
Out of these, No.2 is clearly the best option in the vast majority of situations. The state will use violence here, but so it should. You could argue that because he employed coercion on another human being that he loses the right to expect his civil liberties to be respected. But then there is the thorny subject of the alcohol, which he consumes as a free choice. Should that free choice be allowed to this man, who repeatedly becomes violent when drunk?
Obviously I am not for Drug Prohibition, which is a naive 'first glance' way to tackle this situation IMHO. It is just that unless you are a -> responsible <- drug taker, you are impinging on other people's liberties, at which point you ought to lose your own. Most people choose the police to achieve that end for practical reasons.
Now, if we are talking about the responsible use of drugs, and the police are putting the boot in, then yes, this is an illegitimate use of coercion. The central problem is that a lot of people think you are all irresponsible and impinge on other people's liberties. They may be wrong. Indeed, this is very frequently the case. But the police still have a mandate to enforce the will of the majority because of the first situation, and so we have this dreadful trap we are in.
We are gradually wining the war on drugs because it is an injustice to penalize functional, responsible users of drugs for the behavior of a much smaller group of people. If you start to commit violence yourself in a preemptive strike against the state, then you jeopardize that trend.
Indirect violence that you referred to before, is not the same thing as direct violence. Yes, prohibition makes drugs impure and costs lives. Undoubtedly. The trouble is that this logic leads you to other conclusions that are insupportable positions. Like, why not murder all the non-functional drug users who are clearly disenfranchising the majority of us? What about killing all those salespeople who sold property at inflated values during the housing bubble? Did they not hurt people? Seems like you're assuming a great deal of prescience and authority without telling me where you got all this power from.
I think the market is partly a mechanism that exercises a optimal harm reduction algorithm, and I don't mean harm reduction as in drugs, but in the sense that it dispenses the least pain for the greatest gain. e.g. people lose jobs in one industry, but growth overall is a net positive. There will always be winners and losers. The issue is whether it's a positive sum game or not. If the police start engaging in a negative sum game by generalizing and begin executing us all, then do you think we'll sit back and take it? Hardly. Don't worry on that score, pine is quite capable of fighting back.
Right now, you are committing the same moral sin that permits the hardliners in the DEA to exercise their unjust war of mass generalization. It is the same sin that allowed Osama Bin Laden and his ilk to bomb civilians, the majority of whom don't even support the inane activities of the US Government that caused him to plot the 9/11 attacks. And the same that allowed G.Bush to 'free' Iraq and Afghanistan. It is legitimate for an Iraqi affected by the war to murder the Bush or Blair. It is not legitimate for him to bomb a typical American household because they live in the same geographical region.
This is not complex. This is Prisoner's Dilemma, and I pay Tit for Tat. I cooperate first, but if the other entity continually defects, then I will play the same card straight back to him. This is the most optimal algorithm for determining net positive economic, social and political progress, however simple minded it sounds.
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TLDR; The logic of preemptive strike and the greater good is not a scientific determination, but arrogant thinking. If participating in indirect harm, or making mistakes is punishable by death, then society will eat itself up.
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Pine, I'm never going to be able to give you enough karma for that post. But you deserve it. You deserve all the karma.
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Pine for President. ;D
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This thread should be renamed what's the advantage of not being a dumbass terrorist.
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This thread should be renamed what's the advantage of not being a dumbass terrorist.
+1
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Blowing fuckers up gives the government reason to enact a police state. It's counter-productive. It would result in more scrutiny of mail and fucking censorship and law enforcement. And don't call me a counter-revolutionary. If fuckers start some 1984 shit and there's some protests I'm pulling out mortar shells and zip guns. This thread is stupid.
They already scrutinize mail as much as they realistically can
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Blowing fuckers up gives the government reason to enact a police state. It's counter-productive. It would result in more scrutiny of mail and fucking censorship and law enforcement. And don't call me a counter-revolutionary. If fuckers start some 1984 shit and there's some protests I'm pulling out mortar shells and zip guns. This thread is stupid.
They already scrutinize mail as much as they realistically can
And thanks to you, you stupid fucker, they're going to try to rationalize the cost of scrutinizing it even MORE.
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Considering most of these fuckers work out of federal building I assumed OP wants to pull some McVeigh shit.
mcveigh killed hundreds of innocents (including a daycare!) and destroyed many private buildings and vehicles, he was rightfully executed. shit, he got only eight enforcement agents too... he was pretty much the worst "terrorist" ever
i see no parallel between the evil act he did and wanting to assassinate a michele leonhart or eric holder
Mcveigh made the mistake of thinking that government agents are anything other than psychopathic
the more fundamental mistake of accepting collateral damage, although that was required for the message he tried to send he failed to recognize that politicians don't give a fuck about the daycare that got bombed anymore than they care about the daycares they bomb in wars
I can accept that collateral damage should not be tolerated, but I fail to see why we should not wish death to the specific individuals who wish prison onto us
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I fucking hate Holder! Impeach those fuckers! Repeal congress! If enough people are sick of our government we have a constitutional right to remove them. Do you realize the shit storm that would result in some assassinations? The results outweigh the actions. Nothing good would come of it.
well there would be less living people who want to send people to prison for drug charges, that seems like an automatic win to me
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Blowing fuckers up gives the government reason to enact a police state. It's counter-productive. It would result in more scrutiny of mail and fucking censorship and law enforcement. And don't call me a counter-revolutionary. If fuckers start some 1984 shit and there's some protests I'm pulling out mortar shells and zip guns. This thread is stupid.
They already scrutinize mail as much as they realistically can
And thanks to you, you stupid fucker, they're going to try to rationalize the cost of scrutinizing it even MORE.
If you think domestic terrorism won't affect mail screening SUBSTANTIALLY then you're fucking retarded dude. Delete this stupid bullshit so it isn't used as fodder by some article. Your rants have profiled you as a child porn advocate and domestic terrorist. Nobody here wants to read your ramblings and have you fuck up our drug thoroughfare with your racialism.
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I fucking hate Holder! Impeach those fuckers! Repeal congress! If enough people are sick of our government we have a constitutional right to remove them. Do you realize the shit storm that would result in some assassinations? The results outweigh the actions. Nothing good would come of it.
well there would be less living people who want to send people to prison for drug charges, that seems like an automatic win to me
I'm going to try to say this in a way that will get through your diseased little brain...
IF YOU KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU LIKE DRUGS AND THEY DON'T LIKE DRUGS THEN THE PUBLIC WILL DECIDE THAT DRUGS ARE A VERY BAD THING AND SO MORE LIVING PEOPLE WILL WANT TO SEND PEOPLE TO PRISON FOR DRUG CHARGES.
You stupid, allegedly pedophiliac, motherfucker.
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Blowing fuckers up gives the government reason to enact a police state. It's counter-productive. It would result in more scrutiny of mail and fucking censorship and law enforcement. And don't call me a counter-revolutionary. If fuckers start some 1984 shit and there's some protests I'm pulling out mortar shells and zip guns. This thread is stupid.
They already scrutinize mail as much as they realistically can
And thanks to you, you stupid fucker, they're going to try to rationalize the cost of scrutinizing it even MORE.
If you think domestic terrorism won't affect mail screening SUBSTANTIALLY then you're fucking retarded dude. Delete this stupid bullshit so it isn't used as fodder by some article. Your rants have profiled you as a child porn advocate and domestic terrorist. Nobody here wants to read your ramblings and have you fuck up our drug thoroughfare with your racialism.
Seriously. If there is anyone I think should be killed, it's this motherfucking kmfkewm asshole.
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Blowing fuckers up gives the government reason to enact a police state. It's counter-productive. It would result in more scrutiny of mail and fucking censorship and law enforcement. And don't call me a counter-revolutionary. If fuckers start some 1984 shit and there's some protests I'm pulling out mortar shells and zip guns. This thread is stupid.
They already scrutinize mail as much as they realistically can
And thanks to you, you stupid fucker, they're going to try to rationalize the cost of scrutinizing it even MORE.
god damn i fucked it up for everyone sorry !! They don't need any reason to spend more of your money trying to send you to prison. They can not scrutinize the mail more unless there is a technological break through (which may have already happened, unfortunately) or they grind the mail system to a screeching halt and make it unusable
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I fucking hate Holder! Impeach those fuckers! Repeal congress! If enough people are sick of our government we have a constitutional right to remove them. Do you realize the shit storm that would result in some assassinations? The results outweigh the actions. Nothing good would come of it.
well there would be less living people who want to send people to prison for drug charges, that seems like an automatic win to me
I'm going to try to say this in a way that will get through your diseased little brain...
IF YOU KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU LIKE DRUGS AND THEY DON'T LIKE DRUGS THEN THE PUBLIC WILL DECIDE THAT DRUGS ARE A VERY BAD THING AND SO MORE LIVING PEOPLE WILL WANT TO SEND PEOPLE TO PRISON FOR DRUG CHARGES.
You stupid, allegedly pedophiliac, motherfucker.
The world already thinks the way they do, they could not possibly think less of us. Also I would love for all the people who want to put people in prison for non-production CP activities to explode as well, but unfortunately that would probably endanger the species
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Blowing fuckers up gives the government reason to enact a police state. It's counter-productive. It would result in more scrutiny of mail and fucking censorship and law enforcement. And don't call me a counter-revolutionary. If fuckers start some 1984 shit and there's some protests I'm pulling out mortar shells and zip guns. This thread is stupid.
They already scrutinize mail as much as they realistically can
And thanks to you, you stupid fucker, they're going to try to rationalize the cost of scrutinizing it even MORE.
god damn i fucked it up for everyone sorry !! They don't need any reason to spend more of your money trying to send you to prison. They can not scrutinize the mail more unless there is a technological break through (which may have already happened, unfortunately) or they grind the mail system to a screeching halt and make it unusable
HAHAMOTHERFUCKER! There is a technological breakthrough. So now you're fueling their reasons to implement it. Good job! :D (Obvious sarcasm is hopefully obvious.)
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even if they need no warrant for USPS it will amount to pretty much no difference, people already traffic through fedex UPS etc all the time
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I don't give a fuck about that. I care about my American warrantless postal system and my America. Fuck off.
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Also I would love for all the people who want to put people in prison for non-production CP activities to explode as well.
Because as long as you're not the one producing it, it's awwwwwright? You're still getting off to rape. Congrats. You like rape. Good job. Upstanding member of the human race, you.
Also: The technology exists to scan ALL FUCKING PACKAGES WITH NO FUCKING DELAY, now. It's very new and, with your retarded ideas, now very possible that they'll try to get it instated.. Just imagine a glorious, pristine world in which your dumbass is used as an example of why all mail should be searchable without a warrant, so they actually implement that technology.
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Also I would love for all the people who want to put people in prison for non-production CP activities to explode as well.
Because as long as you're not the one producing it, it's awwwwwright? You're still getting off to rape. Congrats. You like rape. Good job. Upstanding member of the human race, you.
Also: The technology exists to scan ALL FUCKING PACKAGES WITH NO FUCKING DELAY, now. It's very new and, with your retarded ideas, now very possible that they'll try to get it instated.. Just imagine a glorious, pristine world in which your dumbass is used as an example of why all mail should be searchable without a warrant, so they actually implement that technology.
They actually plan to implement that technology at all access points into the USA within the next two years, maybe now they will do it in one year because of my posts lolol
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Also I would love for all the people who want to put people in prison for non-production CP activities to explode as well.
Because as long as you're not the one producing it, it's awwwwwright? You're still getting off to rape. Congrats. You like rape. Good job. Upstanding member of the human race, you.
Also: The technology exists to scan ALL FUCKING PACKAGES WITH NO FUCKING DELAY, now. It's very new and, with your retarded ideas, now very possible that they'll try to get it instated.. Just imagine a glorious, pristine world in which your dumbass is used as an example of why all mail should be searchable without a warrant, so they actually implement that technology.
I like to differentiate between liking rape and raping
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Also I would love for all the people who want to put people in prison for non-production CP activities to explode as well.
Because as long as you're not the one producing it, it's awwwwwright? You're still getting off to rape. Congrats. You like rape. Good job. Upstanding member of the human race, you.
Also: The technology exists to scan ALL FUCKING PACKAGES WITH NO FUCKING DELAY, now. It's very new and, with your retarded ideas, now very possible that they'll try to get it instated.. Just imagine a glorious, pristine world in which your dumbass is used as an example of why all mail should be searchable without a warrant, so they actually implement that technology.
They actually plan to implement that technology at all access points into the USA within the next two years, maybe now they will do it in one year because of my posts lolol
It's not a fucking joke, you stupid motherfucker. All we need is some federal agent, aka those guys who are already actively watching the forums, holding up your posts in front of congress as an example of the kinds of things SR-users talk about. You stupid motherfucker.
Also, I don't differentiate between rape and liking rape. After all, you're still enjoying a process that destroys the healthy psychological state of a... a anything. I don't give a fuck if you aren't hurting someone yourself. You still enjoy seeing it happen. You stupid, pedophile motherfucker.
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Blargh gets karma. I think I'm going to end up deleting my posts before this transcript ends up in a trial or something. From advocating child porn, to fucking children and rapin' err'body to being a terrorist, you sir are an ass. I'm done with this conversation. If this site wasn't moderated like shit this would be locked. Good day sir!
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Also I would love for all the people who want to put people in prison for non-production CP activities to explode as well.
Because as long as you're not the one producing it, it's awwwwwright? You're still getting off to rape. Congrats. You like rape. Good job. Upstanding member of the human race, you.
Also: The technology exists to scan ALL FUCKING PACKAGES WITH NO FUCKING DELAY, now. It's very new and, with your retarded ideas, now very possible that they'll try to get it instated.. Just imagine a glorious, pristine world in which your dumbass is used as an example of why all mail should be searchable without a warrant, so they actually implement that technology.
They actually plan to implement that technology at all access points into the USA within the next two years, maybe now they will do it in one year because of my posts lolol
It's not a fucking joke, you stupid motherfucker. All we need is some federal agent, aka those guys who are already actively watching the forums, holding up your posts in front of congress as an example of the kinds of things SR-users talk about. You stupid motherfucker.
Also, I don't differentiate between rape and liking rape. After all, you're still enjoying a process that destroys the healthy psychological state of a... a anything. I don't give a fuck if you aren't hurting someone yourself. You still enjoy seeing it happen. You stupid, pedophile motherfucker.
So you think people who like the idea of rape should put it into practice ? Or that it makes no difference if they do or do not ?
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Also I would love for all the people who want to put people in prison for non-production CP activities to explode as well.
Because as long as you're not the one producing it, it's awwwwwright? You're still getting off to rape. Congrats. You like rape. Good job. Upstanding member of the human race, you.
Also: The technology exists to scan ALL FUCKING PACKAGES WITH NO FUCKING DELAY, now. It's very new and, with your retarded ideas, now very possible that they'll try to get it instated.. Just imagine a glorious, pristine world in which your dumbass is used as an example of why all mail should be searchable without a warrant, so they actually implement that technology.
They actually plan to implement that technology at all access points into the USA within the next two years, maybe now they will do it in one year because of my posts lolol
It's not a fucking joke, you stupid motherfucker. All we need is some federal agent, aka those guys who are already actively watching the forums, holding up your posts in front of congress as an example of the kinds of things SR-users talk about. You stupid motherfucker.
Also, I don't differentiate between rape and liking rape. After all, you're still enjoying a process that destroys the healthy psychological state of a... a anything. I don't give a fuck if you aren't hurting someone yourself. You still enjoy seeing it happen. You stupid, pedophile motherfucker.
So you think people who like the idea of rape should put it into practice ? Or that it makes no difference if they do or do not ?
I think the people who like the idea of rape should stick to fantasies. You, motherfucker, do NOT stick to fantasies. You, you motherfucking pedophile fuck, like CP. Do you see the difference? I don't give a flying monkeyfuck about ANYONE, pedophile or otherwise, who enjoys lolicon. Or any other variant of art-based form of sick and twisted fetish. Rape-art? Aces with me. But RAPE? Real, honest to god rape? If I knew someone who got off to videos of ACTUAL fucking RAPE, I would be plastering their information across ALL of the internet. Do you see the difference? It's about the fantasy/reality divide. I don't give a fuck about fantasies. But you, sir, like the reality. That is what makes you sick, twisted, pedophilic, oxygen-wasting fuck.
EDIT: This is the meanest I've been on SR in ever. I'm actually finding it kinda fun. ;D
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I actually don't enjoy the overwhelming majority of CP and for that matter would not consider myself to be a pedophile, but I see no difference between fantasizing a picture in your minds eye and looking at a picture in reality
also why did you even feel the need to off topic this thread into one discussing pedophilia in general, we already had that thread. You should look up Argumentum Ad Hominem in the mean time
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I actually don't enjoy the overwhelming majority of CP and for that matter would not consider myself to be a pedophile, but I see no difference between fantasizing a picture in your minds eye and looking at a picture in reality
also why did you even feel the need to off topic this thread into one discussing pedophilia in general, we already had that thread. You should look up Argumentum Ad Hominem in the mean time
You're the one who brought it up, motherfucker. Also, just to let you know... you're kinda fucked up in the head. You're rationalizing your desires, that's all.
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I actually don't enjoy the overwhelming majority of CP and for that matter would not consider myself to be a pedophile, but I see no difference between fantasizing a picture in your minds eye and looking at a picture in reality
also why did you even feel the need to off topic this thread into one discussing pedophilia in general, we already had that thread. You should look up Argumentum Ad Hominem in the mean time
You're the one who brought it up, motherfucker. Also, just to let you know... you're kinda fucked up in the head. You're rationalizing your desires, that's all.
actually if you follow the thread through you will see that I simply replied to accusations of pedophilia by clarifying that I would not mind if people who violate rights in ways other than drugs would also explode
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I actually don't enjoy the overwhelming majority of CP and for that matter would not consider myself to be a pedophile, but I see no difference between fantasizing a picture in your minds eye and looking at a picture in reality
also why did you even feel the need to off topic this thread into one discussing pedophilia in general, we already had that thread. You should look up Argumentum Ad Hominem in the mean time
You're the one who brought it up, motherfucker. Also, just to let you know... you're kinda fucked up in the head. You're rationalizing your desires, that's all.
actually if you follow the thread through you will see that I simply replied to accusations of pedophilia by clarifying that I would not mind if people who violate rights in ways other than drugs would also explode
The desire for new CP-content fuels the CP-production, so by nature of your consumption of CP-content you are implicitly part of the reason such production occurs.
Translation: Because you like CP, little kids get raped.
Translation: Because you like CP, little kids get their rights violated. Among other things.
Translation: You should be killed.
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I actually don't enjoy the overwhelming majority of CP and for that matter would not consider myself to be a pedophile, but I see no difference between fantasizing a picture in your minds eye and looking at a picture in reality
also why did you even feel the need to off topic this thread into one discussing pedophilia in general, we already had that thread. You should look up Argumentum Ad Hominem in the mean time
You're the one who brought it up, motherfucker. Also, just to let you know... you're kinda fucked up in the head. You're rationalizing your desires, that's all.
actually if you follow the thread through you will see that I simply replied to accusations of pedophilia by clarifying that I would not mind if people who violate rights in ways other than drugs would also explode
The desire for new CP-content fuels the CP-production, so by nature of your consumption of CP-content you are implicitly part of the reason such production occurs.
Translation: Because you like CP, little kids get raped.
Translation: Because you like CP, little kids get their rights violated. Among other things.
Translation: You should be killed.
blahblahblah I already had this argument I think you can find an archived copy somewhere
this is a different thread
i know you have troubles distinguishing between things but maybe with my assistance you can see??
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I actually don't enjoy the overwhelming majority of CP and for that matter would not consider myself to be a pedophile, but I see no difference between fantasizing a picture in your minds eye and looking at a picture in reality
also why did you even feel the need to off topic this thread into one discussing pedophilia in general, we already had that thread. You should look up Argumentum Ad Hominem in the mean time
You're the one who brought it up, motherfucker. Also, just to let you know... you're kinda fucked up in the head. You're rationalizing your desires, that's all.
actually if you follow the thread through you will see that I simply replied to accusations of pedophilia by clarifying that I would not mind if people who violate rights in ways other than drugs would also explode
The desire for new CP-content fuels the CP-production, so by nature of your consumption of CP-content you are implicitly part of the reason such production occurs.
Translation: Because you like CP, little kids get raped.
Translation: Because you like CP, little kids get their rights violated. Among other things.
Translation: You should be killed.
blahblahblah I already had this argument I think you can find an archived copy somewhere
this is a different thread
i know you have troubles distinguishing between things but maybe with my assistance you can see??
That's the problem. I don't want to see. You think this is the sameoldsameold, right? You're wrong. I'm not saying this as a possibility. I'm speaking to you of Human Nature. Humans are a kinda shitty bunch... just look at yourself to see proof of that, eh? Me too, really. I'm a kinda shitty guy.
What will people do for money? Anything.
Do people get bored of things they've seen before? Yes.
Is there a need for new, fresh, or at least re-hashed content? Always.
Do some people collect CP? Yes.
So, what can we extrapolate from these facts? Oh right, I already extrapolated them.
See how it works? The collection, consumption, or desire for CP creates a market-environment for the for-profit production of CP.
Thus, you are a miniscule, but non-negligible, cause for the rape of children and the production of CP.
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the for profit market for CP is non-existent
There is nothing that humans can make, that will not have a market.
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wow you sure must love CP to go on about it for so long in a thread that has nothing to do with it
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wow you sure must love CP to go on about it for so long in a thread that has nothing to do with it
You make a comment, I respond. Have you noticed how I'm responding to the things you say? The things you say where you've kinda been focusing on the CP and not, say, the actual(retarded) topic?
Your implication is stupid.
Your thread is retarded.
You are delusional.
And if you delete this thread(You have that right, as the thread-creator), I'll lose more than 30 of my posts and get that much further away from reaching hero-member status. But of course... you'd never do that. After all, it would be letting me win.
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This thread is really damn stupid..
I can't believe I read through it all.
People want to send drugs and make money or recieve drugs and have fun, not kill anyone. Wtf. Cops are just doing their jobs.
Why is this thread even still open.
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This thread is really damn stupid..
I can't believe I read through it all.
People want to send drugs and make money or recieve drugs and have fun, not kill anyone. Wtf. Cops are just doing their jobs.
Why is this thread even still open.
I'm wondering that myself. I was really hoping it would get deleted by an admin or something.
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It's threads like this that take the heat off of what I do on SR :D
oops, did i just give myself away? OH, NO!!!!! :P :-X
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I think I kinda agree with that its not That bad to do something like this in such a "war on drugs" with the means/force that the other side (the law) is unrightfully (in our eyes) using, and would be the strongest and most unavoidable signal there is to send them.
Too many who were unwilling to use violence thru history were the ones who were forgotten, gone- they lost, to the ones who did dear to go to the extremes.
But for it to work in a beneficial way for us would require much sacrifice from many dedicated ones ("martyrs") who would not stop, and be willing to face prison/death before the goal is reached once they step up and put harder measures to counteract these attacks. I don't think that many are willing right now.. would prolly require something like a religious conviction to sacrifice ones life (and continued by many, in huge numbers to make a difference). I can't think of ways to convince sufficient amounts.. and no way to tell how long this drug-war will continue like this for it to be worth doing it like this
Theres no doubt of the mass-death and misery all over the world caused by the current bad situation. Something like this could save many more lives in the long run if it worked. But Im not sure it would be the best..I guess you can use similar arguments for many similar situations, most of the time it may just end in chaos or worse if goal is not reached. But sure, may work, I think.. especcialy on a local level even if done alone (for however long ud manage to keep doing it...), killing off a bunch of agents and thinning out their lines would if nothing else get even crappier investigators in the job taking the deceased's place, getting much more attention around the cause aswell and surely new sympathizers tho many new enemies (any pr is good pr- many here who knew about al'qaida before 9'11?)
Im not sure tho, therefore wont be the one to be sending away the first bombs anyway=P But I think theres something in it.. if this turns out to get even worse, eventually, I think something like this will and should happen- for everyones best in the long run.
If I lived in a country with deathpenalty for what I was doing, and I thought there was a good chanse I would get away with such- I might very well have wanted to pick off some agents any way possible for whatever reason if it would increase my chanses to stay safe/alive and deter adversaries
here a quote from ure President JFK: "those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable"
hopefully our peaceful revolution is not futile and this will never be needed..=) not sure when we can say whether it has failed or not....
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here a quote from ure President JFK: "those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable"
hopefully our peaceful revolution is not futile and this will never be needed..=)
I read some of your stuff, skipped over others, wanted to smack you for the rest. Our peaceful revolution is winning. The tide of public opinion is swaying. A violent act at this stage would fuck that ALL up.
Also, you're a fucking moron for thinking any PR is good PR. Good PR is stuff that makes the public accept your acts, actions, or choices. Bad PR is stuff that makes the public condemn you. To use your example... did anyone like Al Quida after the attacks? No. Very much not.
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Okay, now I read your full post. And I'm just going to stick with the "You are a fucking moron" statement, dzlrv.
Our war is a social and political war, not a physical one. It won't be won in the streets, but in the hearts of voters. You're just as bad as that clusterfuck of a name(and pedophile!)-OP
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Our peaceful revolution is winning. The tide of public opinion is swaying. A violent act at this stage would fuck that ALL up.
blargh, do you think that an acceptable endgame is drug legalization?
No. I think an acceptable endgame is drug education. I don't think we should stop at legalization. I think we should educate the fuck out of the public. What does what for what, what helps where, what is psychologically good and what is psychologically bad, all of it. I want to see at least some drugs legalized, but I also want accountability for the providers of those drugs. This shit with almost all LSD being fake now, that doesn't sit right with me. I want a responsible and educated public providing mind-altering substances in a responsible and educated way.
Sorta like SR, but without all the scammers.
Edit: I'm hoping that was the kind of answer you weren't expecting, but were looking for.
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I read some of your stuff, skipped over others, wanted to smack you for the rest. Our peaceful revolution is winning. The tide of public opinion is swaying. A violent act at this stage would fuck that ALL up.
Also, you're a fucking moron for thinking any PR is good PR. Good PR is stuff that makes the public accept your acts, actions, or choices. Bad PR is stuff that makes the public condemn you. To use your example... did anyone like Al Quida after the attacks? No. Very much not.
yeah hopefully.. I think so too. Eventually, with time, its getting better. Maybe that path will be the best for all parties.
And yes I think so, Al'quaida now has huge global followings (perhaps not publicly showing off that they agree with them, using the same name etc. but thru new groups with similar views- ) with large amounts identifying with many of their ideals and hostility to the west and it worked to unite and organize many many millions aruound the world with these same views who now all agrees on the same (conservative/extreme/true Islam) that has been very apparent past 10 or so years now. Even in my tiny country in northern europe theres many new hostile groups of young muslims now identifying themselves with these people who wants us dead and their islamic state established. Without these terror attacks they would not have these things to unite them and "set the agenda", atleast they would be hostile different ways and less organized within their groups
Sure it needs a cause that people will be able to sympathize with in sufficient numbers (altho if reaching enough with attention- whatever reasons u have, loads will agree with you however stupid), but unfortunately it seems that currently military-style shock-attacks and murder of many and the likes seems to be the clearest path to attention. Thank our media for that (?)
"Our war is a social and political war, not a physical one." -- it is very much a physical one I think, atleast whats being done by the other side, altho we may be lucky to avoid the worst of it. If waiting till it would get that bad (like Mexico?) when we would be affected like that (if they step up the war on drugs or something) it could be too late, when the other side are too powerful or public opinion too hard to sway. People are killed, end up in misery and die all the time (probably very many every day) cos of this drugwar. If it could be ended tomorrow with the murder of example 100 people I would accept that.
Sure terror works and the like works, and may often be the only (and "best") thing that can lead to change under oppression
But again I dont think I support such attacks.. if I was certain it was the right thing I might have contributed somehow already, but Im still far from convinced this would be the right for this cause nor dedicated enough to sacrifice myself . . for reasons u and others already stated^^
But hypothetically, in the extreme case that things clearly would turn for the worse without chanse for our side winning this war, or something.. I dont think we should exclude this, and I may understand desperate unfortunate victims of this war to sacrifice themselves trying to make a difference along the way before we get there
again, Im not really supporting that stuff I think.. not now atleast. I wont be killing anyone, Im a very peaceful guy=)
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Our peaceful revolution is winning. The tide of public opinion is swaying. A violent act at this stage would fuck that ALL up.
blargh, do you think that an acceptable endgame is drug legalization?
No. I think an acceptable endgame is drug education. I don't think we should stop at legalization. I think we should educate the fuck out of the public. What does what for what, what helps where, what is psychologically good and what is psychologically bad, all of it. I want to see at least some drugs legalized, but I also want accountability for the providers of those drugs. This shit with almost all LSD being fake now, that doesn't sit right with me. I want a responsible and educated public providing mind-altering substances in a responsible and educated way.
Sorta like SR, but without all the scammers.
Edit: I'm hoping that was the kind of answer you weren't expecting, but were looking for.
Yep I agree, and I think this is the key to the whole problem: education, simply.
I dont think a full legalization of everything as it is today may be the best (for public health?) either as we have it now, but with education where people would know enough themselves to steer away from the dangerous drugs and possibly (if any at all-) use the less-dangerous ones safely could work better if continuing this system. I guess it'd kinda require everyone to be taught like chemistry/medicine or something at school, not sure how much knowledge/education is required.. but these things (learning about how our bodies work etc.) could be good for many other reasons too.
Think education is the key.. more knowledge and ppl will learn to use drugs safely (if at all) to decrease/remove most of the bad sides..
slowly, were getting there I think/hope.. =)
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You get +karma and an apology. I'm sorry I was a complete douchebag to you.
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People want to send drugs and make money or recieve drugs and have fun, not kill anyone. Wtf. Cops are just doing their jobs.
I still have my doubts about whether or not we can win this drug war through peaceful means. If we can I've arrived at the conclusion that that route should be peacefully explored. It's just upsetting to me that people have to go to prison in the meantime.
But we must not allow ourselves to think this way. They are not "just doing their jobs." They chose their jobs. Just because they're getting paid for it does not make it any less morally unconscionable. If they're smart enough to graduate high school and attend academy then they're smart enough to see what they're doing to people. This makes drug police inherently morally flawed.
kmf is making a fair point. I think Pine's point (from page two, I skipped several pages) is that the time has not yet come for that sort of action. I agree, it does look like progress is being made in public opinion. We should all start running our mouths a little bit more about why pot should be legal.
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People want to send drugs and make money or recieve drugs and have fun, not kill anyone. Wtf. Cops are just doing their jobs.
I still have my doubts about whether or not we can win this drug war through peaceful means. If we can I've arrived at the conclusion that that route should be peacefully explored. It's just upsetting to me that people have to go to prison in the meantime.
But we must not allow ourselves to think this way. They are not "just doing their jobs." They chose their jobs. Just because they're getting paid for it does not make it any less morally unconscionable. If they're smart enough to graduate high school and attend academy then they're smart enough to see what they're doing to people. This makes drug police inherently morally flawed.
kmf is making a fair point. I think Pine's point (from page two, I skipped several pages) is that the time has not yet come for that sort of action. I agree, it does look like progress is being made in public opinion. We should all start running our mouths a little bit more about why pot should be legal.
At the end of the day, violence is not the answer is all I'm saying.
You have extremists for any stance on anything, but it is a lot easier to justify drugs being the reason some idiot lost his shit and sent a bomb to the police station and injured or killed some officers.
Then BOOM a massive clamp down on this website.
This website is a lot more secure than normal web websites but it's not invincible, not if they dedicated enough time and money into shutting it down, and some person from this forum sending a bomb, or even a thread suggesting bombs be sent to police may be enough for them to increase their recourse toward shutting this site down.
You know what, public opinion is not going to change overnight about drugs. But it sure as fuck will change for the worse if, right now in this point in time when many people still think all drugs are created equal and every drug user is a junkie deadbeat, and some dickhead sends a bomb to the police station.
And wtf will that even achieve?-sarcasm- Oh no someone sent us a bomb and hurt/killed some of us, lets leave these drug dealers be and let them drug deal all they want -sarcasm-
Fuck that, they will try harder than ever to shut this shit down and bust all the dealers, but they just will be more cautious.
End rant, I don't even know if I want to post this to justify this thread as more than a joke.
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One flaw I identify in your thinking is that you think LE can do more against SR than they already have done, and are not doing more against it out of the kindness of their hearts
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One flaw I identify in your thinking is that you think LE can do more against SR than they already have done, and are not doing more against it out of the kindness of their hearts
Current method: SR isn't a major danger, their total drug trade doesn't even comprise 1% of the global drug trade.
Method after your retarded shit fucks it up for everyone: BURN IT TO THE GROUND THEN FIND AND RAPE THEIR WIVES
Yay, kmfkewm! You're ruining it for everyone! EVERYONE! :D
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This "Why dont we just, like, kill all the pigs maan?" bullshit seems to crop up round here
depressingly often.I hope you would be assasins realise, that far from the anarchist freedom fighters
you think you sound like, you actually come accross like 13 year old geeks who've been listening to too
much Ice-T.
Unlike most of you wannabe cop-killers, I have been arrested on numerous occasions (for heroin related
petty crime) and I have mostly found the police to be decent and sympathetic. Some were dickheads,
but not to the extent they deserved death.
The police do a difficult and dangerous job, which most of them would characterize as "preventing people
from hurting each other" All societies need policing, unless we are to revert to the extremely violent past.
Unortunately, our society has dug itself into a hole by including drug use and trade in the category of "hurting
each other"
This isn't entirely false; drugs do cause harm. If as a drug user you havent witnessed this harm then, well
wait and see. This is why I have little sympathy for drug vendors who portray themselves as oppressed minoritys, being
persecuted for trying to make people happy. You have chosen to make money in an extremely profitable field, which
is so lucrative because of its illegality. It is unregulated, and you are reckless of the harm your merchandise may
cause. You are not the villain, but neither are you the hero of this scenario. I am not saying drug dealing is bad, but it isn't
a revolutionary protest.
However, it has become obvious to all sensible people, that our drug policy is doing more harm than good. The laws
are bad laws and need to be changed. Drug addiction shopuld be a medical not criminal issue. The drug trade needs to be taken
out of the hands of gangsters and turned into a regulated industry.
This does not mean that LE are "psychopathic agents of state violence" Most police officers must genuinely believe
that they are improving society by harassing drug dealers. Its often the police who first have to deal with the harm that drugs
can cause. (And yes, I am aware that many of these ills are the result of prohibition rather than drugs themselves. But even if
all drugs were legalised Heroin Cocaine and Meth would still wreak havoc in peoples lives)
If acts of violence against LE were genuinely the only way of protecting ourselves against misguided laws, then maybe there
would be an argument. But in fact such acts are only likely to make our predicament worse. Apart from the fact that killing
people is as a rule wrong, it rarely achieves its intentions.
So, is anyone gonna bring up the Nazis?
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This "Why dont we just, like, kill all the pigs maan?" bullshit seems to crop up round here
depressingly often.I hope you would be assasins realise, that far from the anarchist freedom fighters
you think you sound like, you actually come accross like 13 year old geeks who've been listening to too
much Ice-T.
Unlike most of you wannabe cop-killers, I have been arrested on numerous occasions (for heroin related
petty crime) and I have mostly found the police to be decent and sympathetic. Some were dickheads,
but not to the extent they deserved death.
The police do a difficult and dangerous job, which most of them would characterize as "preventing people
from hurting each other" All societies need policing, unless we are to revert to the extremely violent past.
Unortunately, our society has dug itself into a hole by including drug use and trade in the category of "hurting
each other"
This isn't entirely false; drugs do cause harm. If as a drug user you havent witnessed this harm then, well
wait and see. This is why I have little sympathy for drug vendors who portray themselves as oppressed minoritys, being
persecuted for trying to make people happy. You have chosen to make money in an extremely profitable field, which
is so lucrative because of its illegality. It is unregulated, and you are reckless of the harm your merchandise may
cause. You are not the villain, but neither are you the hero of this scenario. I am not saying drug dealing is bad, but it isn't
a revolutionary protest.
However, it has become obvious to all sensible people, that our drug policy is doing more harm than good. The laws
are bad laws and need to be changed. Drug addiction shopuld be a medical not criminal issue. The drug trade needs to be taken
out of the hands of gangsters and turned into a regulated industry.
This does not mean that LE are "psychopathic agents of state violence" Most police officers must genuinely believe
that they are improving society by harassing drug dealers. Its often the police who first have to deal with the harm that drugs
can cause. (And yes, I am aware that many of these ills are the result of prohibition rather than drugs themselves. But even if
all drugs were legalised Heroin Cocaine and Meth would still wreak havoc in peoples lives)
If acts of violence against LE were genuinely the only way of protecting ourselves against misguided laws, then maybe there
would be an argument. But in fact such acts are only likely to make our predicament worse. Apart from the fact that killing
people is as a rule wrong, it rarely achieves its intentions.
So, is anyone gonna bring up the Nazis?
I gave you +karma before I was half-way through that post, and by the time I was finished I wanted to give you more. And... nazis? OH NO, GODWINS LAW DICTATES... something or another. I forget. I'm still hoping an admin will delete this thread... and ban k-whateverthefuckthatis.
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Yep, I mean the reason the Nazis get brought up so often in these arguments is because that was one of the few times in history where an armed struggle was pretty much unavoidable.
It's important to remember that even the Nazis right up to Hitler himself...well.... They didn't KNOW they were evil! They genuinely thought they were doing the right thing! Now that's not gonna be much consolation if you witness your family getting murdered but it's worth thinking about. There's a funny comedy sketch by Mitchell and Webb(not usually funny outside of Peep Show) with an SS officer coming to a dreadful realisation: " Hans... Look.... We've got SKULLS on our hats....Hans.... Do you think? .....are we the Baddies?!"
Still, I don't think we are in a situation where some kind of armed uprising will get us where we want to be. If we killed all the police and all the politicians then the army would declare martial law and good luck persuading them to legalise drugs. I don't think "DENY! Lawyer" is going to do much good when you are being summilarily executed by firing squad.
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kudos to kmf for having the patience to deal with retards
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And kudos to you and kmf for not turning to stone in the daylight
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yeah, great thread ::) journos are gonna love this one, especially when it comes to their next write report on SR. FML
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So the Op has rape and pedophilia fantasies, believes child pornography should be legal, and wants to go on a bombing spree. Seems legit. ???
This dumb shit is going to end up in an article. I'd rather not be labeled as a boy-fucking terrorist because some deranged individual feels the need to spew his weird manifesto on to Silk Road. If this site wasn't moderated like shit I believe this shit would be deleted and there would be some bannings.
If you feel like rambling about killing fuckers you should have posted this in the Armory forum. Now some faggot at Gawker gets to call us domestic terrorists and pedophiles.
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Lol this thread is totally ending up in some media article.
First of all mailing bombs is the stupidest way to be a terrorist. They almost always go off during handling, or killing some poor receptionist. If you want to murder random people or possibly yourself mailing bombs is a great way to do it.
# when you mail bombs, you will get caught, every other mail bomber was caught, and all thought they were 'uncatchable'
# attempting to kill cops is a federal terrorism charge and the death penalty in a lot of countries.
# attacking the police is misguided, they are only enforcing the dumb assed laws our politicans and largely the idiot masses have voted in.
Instead there is considerable advantage on spying on law enforcement to avoid prosecution, or learning about their processes to beat them at their own game. Setting up your business so it flusters the police trying to take you down, and the courts have to set you free. It's not about becoming a terrorist and randomly killing postal employees and receptionists. It's about using 21st century technology and loopholes to become untouchable, showing their unjust prohibition laws are meaningless to try to enforce, therefore should be dropped.
Bruce Schneier likes to blog about how criminals never use probability or consider the propagation of errors effect in their crimes. If they did, they'd discover how utterly stupid and futile an endeavor it was. Mailing bombs = propagation of errors and max probability it's going to kill some innocent person. There is no empirical data that terrorism has ever worked in any country to acheive law changes either. Why don't you organize some anti prohibition riots instead
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every time someone goes to jail on a drug charge its a fucking terrorist attack on freedom, why not treat the attackers as the enemy combatants that they are?
You're either some messed up ten year old, a troll, or a complete fucking idiot. Maybe all three.
I don't like the current drug laws, but the police in my country (UK) don't deserve to die for doing their job.
Killing and raping people and the acts of a depraved psychopath.
>:( :o >:(
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Non-violent resistance is the only way we will achieve our goals.
It can be hard, I know, but violence will only make us look like thugs, which we aren't.
Being non-violent isn't an easy path to take, but it's the only one that will allow us to succeed. It can be easy to lash out in anger, but it is infinitely more rewarding to take the road of peaceful resistance.
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Personal harm against anyone is against SR guidelines.
...there are some things you will never see here, and if you do please report them. They include child pornography, stolen goods, assassinations and stolen personal information, just to name a few. We also hold our members to the highest standards of personal conduct and work tirelessly to prevent, root out and stop any scammers that may try to prey upon others.
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I know this has already been locked but I have to say I am fucking astounded by the naivety of this thread. You are posting shit that makes SR look like it's advocating violence against LE which will only gives them more of an excuse for them to saddle up and kick in DPR + Co's doors much faster and with the aggression that people are bitching so much about.
You want to have SR around for a long time? Well drop the fucking red paint and stop painting targets all over it.