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Title: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: LeisureLass on July 25, 2012, 01:34 am
AFP Media Release - SR arrest in Melbourne

http://36th-parallel.com/2012/07/media-release-afp-and-customs-warn-users-of-silk-road/
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: H4L101 on July 25, 2012, 01:40 am
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While it is not an offence to access the website, it is an offence to import or attempt to import a border controlled drug or prohibited weapons into Australia from this website.

Individuals who import border controlled drugs face a maximum penalty of life imprisonment and/or a $825,000 fine.

Harsh as fuck.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: NFHC on July 25, 2012, 01:41 am
pretty vague article though
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: overman on July 25, 2012, 01:45 am
It's kind of ironic because to my recollection, Australia (excluding Abos) was created as a penal colony...
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Angelina on July 25, 2012, 01:48 am
It's kind of ironic because to my recollection, Australia (excluding Abos) was created as a penal colony...


But now they all obey the law, apparently.  :o
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: masterblaster on July 25, 2012, 01:50 am
post the article dick
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: fredflintstone on July 25, 2012, 01:51 am
Silk road is mentioned specifically .. but really anyone in Aus that uses Topix, SR, private forums, onion sites etc and orders items for delivery via MAIL is at risk.

Its the postal system/customs thats on their ass and its always been that way there and likely always will be.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: HardHustle on July 25, 2012, 01:56 am
What does this have to do with Oz?
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: NFHC on July 25, 2012, 02:01 am
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Media Release: AFP and Customs warn users of Silk Road
Australian Government News – Australian Entities

Release Date: Wednesday, July 25 2012, 06:00 AM


This is a joint media release between Australian Federal Police and Customs and Border Protection

The Australian Federal Police (AFP) and Australian Customs and Border Protection Service are warning anyone engaging in illegal activity through online marketplaces such as Silk Road that their identity will not always remain anonymous and when caught, they will be prosecuted. 

Silk Road is an overseas based illicit e-commerce website which facilitates the sale of drugs, weapons and other items prohibited under Australian law.

Law enforcement is well aware of this method of drug procurement and other illicit e-commerce platforms and are committed to identifying and combating users importing narcotics via this website into Australia.

The warning follows the recent arrest of a Melbourne man who allegedly imported narcotics into Australia via Silk Road. The man was charged with 10 offences relating to the importation, trafficking and possession of narcotics and prohibited weapons.

AFP Manager Crime Operations Peter Sykora said although Silk Road is based overseas, Australian users are within the reach of the AFP’s powers.

“Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them.

“The AFP will continue to identify, investigate and prosecute individuals or groups importing narcotics into Australia, including via illicit e-commerce platforms such as Silk Road,” Commander Sykora said.

Acting National Manager Cargo and Maritime Targeting Branch, Alana Sullivan, said that Customs and Border Protection monitors illicit e-commerce platforms including Silk Road and is aware of the Australian presence in the Silk Road market place, as both sellers and buyers. 

“Customs and Border Protection along with our partner agencies are committed to targeting and combating this type of illegal activity.

“Persons who buy or sell through online market places, on so-called ‘anonymous’ networks should understand that they are not guaranteed anonymity,” Ms Sullivan said.

While it is not an offence to access the website, it is an offence to import or attempt to import a border controlled drug or prohibited weapons into Australia from this website.

Individuals who import border controlled drugs face a maximum penalty of life imprisonment and/or a $825,000 fine.

 


Media enquiries:

AFP National Media (02) 6131 6333
Customs and Border Protection (02) 6275 6793

Unless expressly stated otherwise, the findings, interpretations and conclusions expressed in this media release item do not necessarily represent the views of 36th Parallel Assessments.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: TrustusJones on July 25, 2012, 02:01 am
This is purely speculation but I will tell you what happened... the guy/kid has been ordering off the Road and oz customs caught one and when they confronted him he couldn't hold his mud and told on himself which is where the multiple charges came from... he probably gave up his account...

 Silk Road HAS NOT been compromised.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: trainfour20 on July 25, 2012, 02:05 am
exactly my thoughts trustusjones
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: fredflintstone on July 25, 2012, 02:07 am
Agreed Trustus.

They simply know where alot of the mail they are intercepting in coming from and throw out the name Silk Road because its a hot topic at the moment.

This SITE cant really be compromised but vendors on it can be if they reuse the same packaging methods for all their products, same return addresses etc

Over time Customs will randomly search packs/packets and find contraband and blacklist those identifying aspects of certain shippers.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: turqiun on July 25, 2012, 02:31 am
“Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them.

Fuck you pigs. I'm pretty sure they have been many successful purchases to AUS. so you can't be one step ahead.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Delta11 on July 25, 2012, 02:45 am
This is purely speculation but I will tell you what happened... the guy/kid has been ordering off the Road and oz customs caught one and when they confronted him he couldn't hold his mud and told on himself which is where the multiple charges came from... he probably gave up his account...

 Silk Road HAS NOT been compromised.
The truth has been spoken!

Seriously though imprisonment for life? I feel bad for the Aussies all they want to do is party with drugs and have fun  :'(
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: fredflintstone on July 25, 2012, 02:47 am
“Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them.

Fuck you pigs. I'm pretty sure they have been many successful purchases to AUS. so you can't be one step ahead.

Arrest. Singular.

LOL. Nice work guys.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: BOGAN BOB on July 25, 2012, 04:17 am
PFFT! One arrest? Hell prob get a good behavior bond.....

This is purely speculation but I will tell you what happened... the guy/kid has been ordering off the Road and oz customs caught one and when they confronted him he couldn't hold his mud and told on himself which is where the multiple charges came from... he probably gave up his account...

 Silk Road HAS NOT been compromised.
The truth has been spoken!

Seriously though imprisonment for life? I feel bad for the Aussies all they want to do is party with drugs and have fun  :'(

Sad hey..... They should look at the positives of  sr, atleast were not supporting organized crime groups/bikies who import kilo's upon kilo's then sell to us at prices that make diamonds look like chump change....
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: HardHustle on July 25, 2012, 04:36 am
“Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them.

Fuck you pigs. I'm pretty sure they have been many successful purchases to AUS. so you can't be one step ahead.

They got one of like what, 20,000 members? I think they're 19,999 steps behind us, but someone should check my math on that.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: BlarghRawr on July 25, 2012, 05:11 am
“Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them.

Fuck you pigs. I'm pretty sure they have been many successful purchases to AUS. so you can't be one step ahead.

They got one of like what, 20,000 members? I think they're 19,999 steps behind us, but someone should check my math on that.
It was nearly 200K accounts before they converted to the... whatever method they use for user-links now. And given how long ago that was... 1 out of like 500K, I'd say. :)
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: zero effect on July 25, 2012, 06:20 am
Will have the look in the NL success thread for someone who is 0/10 to Aust then.......

Fuck you pigs, gonna have a line to celebrate my stuff getting here.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: NFHC on July 25, 2012, 06:37 am
“Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them.

Fuck you pigs. I'm pretty sure they have been many successful purchases to AUS. so you can't be one step ahead.

They got one of like what, 20,000 members? I think they're 19,999 steps behind us, but someone should check my math on that.
It was nearly 200K accounts before they converted to the... whatever method they use for user-links now. And given how long ago that was... 1 out of like 500K, I'd say. :)

User IDs are now linked to hashes.

Also keep in mind users may have more than 1 account and there are probably many abandoned accounts.

The active number of users is much harder for us to speculate.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Spunkaroo on July 25, 2012, 08:48 am
This is purely speculation but I will tell you what happened... the guy/kid has been ordering off the Road and oz customs caught one and when they confronted him he couldn't hold his mud and told on himself which is where the multiple charges came from... he probably gave up his account...

 Silk Road HAS NOT been compromised.

This arrest should serve as a reminder of what not to do, and this post sums that up pretty well. Keep your mouth shut and lawyer up.

I also think you're probably right about the 'kid' remark, and if that's true, and they cop jail time, well that's really sad in my opinion. But for any kids reading this (there are none, they don't come to the forums...) remember this: BUYING ILLEGAL GOODS HERE IS JUST AS ILLEGAL AS BUYING THEM ON THE STREET. HAVE A LONG HARD THINK ABOUT THE RISK VS RETURN BEFORE YOU BUY. DON'T FUCK UP YOUR LIFE FOREVER JUST TO GET HIGH.

Consenting adults on the other hand are exactly that, ADULTS.

Bit of rant I know, but people in general being arrested for drugs kind of puts me in a bad mood.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: collarbones on July 25, 2012, 10:03 am
This arrest should serve as a reminder of what not to do, and this post sums that up pretty well. Keep your mouth shut and lawyer up.
+1. Good post Spunkaroo.

One arrest out of thousands of successful deliveries. I like those odds.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: mito on July 25, 2012, 10:39 am
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The Australian Federal Police (AFP) and Australian Customs and Border Protection Service are warning anyone engaging in illegal activity through online marketplaces such as Silk Road that their identity will not always remain anonymous and when caught, they will be prosecuted.   

suck our dicks dry and swallow.

Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Bud on July 25, 2012, 11:04 am
This article is bullshit, they don't give any detail about the arrest. If someone had really been caught they would be paraded all over the news as an example.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: kmfkewm on July 25, 2012, 12:37 pm
They would be one step ahead of us if they busted someone ten years ago when the early private forums were booming and people were selling grams of raw crystal LSD. Sorry guys your one bust doesn't make you ahead of shit. In fact we are so far ahead of you that we could take naps. Shit we could set up tents and camp out. We will continue to win more and more and when we reach the finish line there is going to be hell to pay for all who fucked with us. LE are so naive, they think the war on drugs will be won by them, but the ones who know they will lose think that they will be spared when they are in the minority. I can't wait until we vote for death sentences for all who ever enforced drug laws. The thought of their mass executions is extremely pleasant , I hope it comes soon.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: kmfkewm on July 25, 2012, 12:41 pm
The drug enforcement law enforcement have personalities similar to Nikolai Ivanovich Yezhov , and I hope I live to see the day they meet the same fate as he did and get a true taste of what it is like when the tables are turned on them.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: MarijuanaIsMyMuse on July 25, 2012, 01:26 pm
I wonder if this has anything to do with dopeboyaus who got nailed 2 months back?

Aussie Vendor Busted - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21375.0

MJMuse
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: moxycotton on July 25, 2012, 01:59 pm
They would be one step ahead of us if they busted someone ten years ago when the early private forums were booming and people were selling grams of raw crystal LSD. Sorry guys your one bust doesn't make you ahead of shit. In fact we are so far ahead of you that we could take naps. Shit we could set up tents and camp out. We will continue to win more and more and when we reach the finish line there is going to be hell to pay for all who fucked with us. LE are so naive, they think the war on drugs will be won by them, but the ones who know they will lose think that they will be spared when they are in the minority. I can't wait until we vote for death sentences for all who ever enforced drug laws. The thought of their mass executions is extremely pleasant , I hope it comes soon.

Whoa, little harsh for me at the end there, but I do agree that these people are total jackasses. And I agree with you on the facts that 1) they are WAY, WAY behind SR. and (although you didn't say it explicitly) 2) As long as people want drugs (forever), they're never gonna win their dumbass "war".

I still don't get how there are so many fucking people that have had liberal arts educations (gone to college/uni), and have somewhat of a head on their shoulders, that are still so ridiculously against drugs that they can't even consider alternate viewpoints. it's really unbelievable. I guess I get it with the indoctrinated rednecks and shit, and they're just sad, but I'm hoping eventually education and reason will overcome.  Hoping....
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: mito on July 25, 2012, 02:01 pm
The drug enforcement law enforcement have personalities similar to Nikolai Ivanovich Yezhov , and I hope I live to see the day they meet the same fate as he did and get a true taste of what it is like when the tables are turned on them.

Yes, Yagoda and Yezhov were 'processed', but then came Beria, even worse...........
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: collarbones on July 25, 2012, 02:15 pm
Whoa, little harsh for me at the end there, but I do agree that these people are total jackasses.
I don't agree with this mass generalisation.

LE aren't dumbasses for following the law; that is their job, that is what they signed up for. AU law and society views recreational drug use (and importation) as a crime; thus, we are criminals. We are their enemies and they must try to stop us, because it's in the job description. On an individual basis some LE are recreational drug users themselves, and likely sympathise with the users they have to arrest because they know how easily it could be them if they didn't have a badge and gun.

What we need is a cultural shift in how AU society views recreational drug use. That kind of shift is fucking hard to effect, but I hope to see it start happening in my lifetime. I'll be doing my part to effect that shift, in ways I won't describe here.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Limetless on July 25, 2012, 02:29 pm
I think it's funny how Australian police have said - Criminals are attempting to exploit the international mail system through online networks, but the recent arrest demonstrates that we are one step ahead of them.

*Puts on a mothering voice* Yes, of course you have dear  ::)
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: jeffsandwich on July 25, 2012, 02:38 pm
For any LE to think that they're winning a war on drugs and ahead of the game... just shake your head.  Yeah one arrest means nothing, if you went out on the streets you could find dozens for every online sale.  This is also another reason I don't want to buy internationally, one less potential charge to go wrong + waiting twice as long sucks :P  Victimless crimes should be the bottom of LE prioritization
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: paddymiller on July 25, 2012, 03:28 pm
Hahaha LE in AU know they have no chance whatsoever of taking down SR at the moment. All they can do about it is either:

- Send you a love letter
- Scare a confession out of someone they suspect using SR
- Catch you in a C.D
- Catch you posting the goods if you're a vendor

So fuck 'em. This kid was obviously shit fucking scared when the coppers turned up at his parent's place, and would have spilled the beans all over the shop to the coppers.

Fucking little cunt.

Anyways, if we all play it safe when we play on the road, we'll be fine.

paddymiller



Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Gibbroni on July 25, 2012, 03:43 pm
 ::) Get fucked AFP
I don't usually even use such language, but seriously, do it!

a few points which have already been mentioned that I agree with:

1. There is no information about the drug, amount or person caught.  This whole media release may just as well be fabricated in order to scare the community and discourage any new users. Sneaky sneaky! (not really)

2. If you catch one person, there's a high chance they weren't taking enough precautions.

3. haha, one step ahead of us?  The people here are pioneers, and so much more evolutionarily advanced in terms of truly independent forward-thinking than any of the drones in the AFP.

4. It's worth it, and it's not gonna stop.

5. Seriously? Life imprisonment cause I want to see intense colours? Heighten emotional bonds with friends over interesting and valuable shared experiences?  Life imprisonment/heavy fines for new ways of exploring spirituality? 

Seriously, fuck you! I reject your narrow views on the world.

Just shut up and be thankful Australia post is doing well! Shut your mouths or you'll only make it harder on yourself with increasing media attention and a completely unsustainable workload for customs.
You people piss.me.off

Rant over, best wishes!
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: moxycotton on July 25, 2012, 04:15 pm
Whoa, little harsh for me at the end there, but I do agree that these people are total jackasses.
I don't agree with this mass generalisation.

LE aren't dumbasses for following the law; that is their job, that is what they signed up for. AU law and society views recreational drug use (and importation) as a crime; thus, we are criminals. We are their enemies and they must try to stop us, because it's in the job description. On an individual basis some LE are recreational drug users themselves, and likely sympathise with the users they have to arrest because they know how easily it could be them if they didn't have a badge and gun.

What we need is a cultural shift in how AU society views recreational drug use. That kind of shift is fucking hard to effect, but I hope to see it start happening in my lifetime. I'll be doing my part to effect that shift, in ways I won't describe here.

I meant it more generally: people that are blindly against drugs are jackasses, including LEOs. Obviously they have to do their job, so that's whatever.

But yeah, it obviously requires a lot of social change, but all these problems stem from assholes who think they can / need to tell other people what to do and how to live their lives. And this encompasses far more than drugs in terms of civil liberties. And in the US it's even worse lol. Fuckers need to just lay off and worry about themselves, instead of worrying about what everyone else is doing and trying to control them. Sad, sad people...
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: ccxv01 on July 25, 2012, 05:04 pm
I also think you're probably right about the 'kid' remark, and if that's true, and they cop jail time, well that's really sad in my opinion. But for any kids reading this (there are none, they don't come to the forums...) remember this: BUYING ILLEGAL GOODS HERE IS JUST AS ILLEGAL AS BUYING THEM ON THE STREET. HAVE A LONG HARD THINK ABOUT THE RISK VS RETURN BEFORE YOU BUY. DON'T FUCK UP YOUR LIFE FOREVER JUST TO GET HIGH.

Consenting adults on the other hand are exactly that, ADULTS.

Bit of rant I know, but people in general being arrested for drugs kind of puts me in a bad mood.

See now look at your post:

You're no better than the people that are against drugs.

We're Silk Road. We're a community. Just because someone is a 'kid', doesn't mean they should have to listen to your lectures. Some of the kids nowadays are smarter than the adults.

I find it almost 'offensive', how a fellow drug user such as yourself, is being just as closed minded as the rest.

"DON'T FUCK UP YOUR LIFE FOREVER JUST TO GET HIGH"

That seems slightly hypocritical considering the community you're a part of.

My point is, don't dismiss someone due to age, rage, personal views .etc.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: smokeweed420 on July 25, 2012, 09:39 pm
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10 offences relating to the importation, trafficking and possession of narcotics and prohibited weapons.

weapons?? trafficking?? we can draw a couple conclusions from this. He was also using the Armoury and whatever drugs he was receiving it wasn't personal amounts. 

Could the Armoury be Compromised?

By the way they spelled "offenses" wrong in that article.

If you are Australian i would strongly recommend to always use PGP, don't order from high risk countries such as the Netherlands, don't order more than personal amounts, and last but certainly not least DON'T ADMIT TO ANYTHING IF QUESTIONED.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on July 25, 2012, 10:04 pm
Someone I drink with his son emigrated and he works in customs. We met him and he was open about the work and at one point he worked with the postal workers who first inspect the mail as it comes through to customs also at the airport as the planes drop off hundreds of bags of mail and parcels. There are tons of air mail coming in each day and neither the mail workers or customs can seize every item coming through. Mail for instance, letter sized, ordinary business envelope, no way can they x-ray every envelope. But if they did we'd not be seeing any mail get through. But they would need like 100,000 more inspectors.

The real threat, though its not going to rolled out for a while, would be software that does what the human eye does, only much better and it never tires. There are prototypes and the security industry pushes the paranoia over drugs and terror. The USA would be first to deploy it. The cost would be billions but the USA spends billions bombing other nations that are not a threat to the West period. They are now. Billions means nothing to whoever is up there. We pay it in taxes, they spend it on projects that they and their mates profit off.

Biggest threat to the USA is obesity. Kills more Americans than the terrorists can dream of.

Back to those automatic xraying of every last letter, the process would be as fast it is now with people sorting the shit out.

NOW, the scary thing would that the x-ray software might as well have writing recognition and translation. So 'dodgy' letters from addresses in databases would be tagged. Dodgy people, addresses, anyone who ever got arrested and anyone who is not meant to be there or those who know some suspected of whatever.

Silk Roads biggest weakness, as I have stated, is that some vendors use a signature packaging. Commenting on 'wonderful genius ways of sending shit' is a joke. EVERY method used here is well known. Any customs officer with the ability to sense a lie would laugh at methods used here.

Some vendors might say 'nothing has been seized' but the truth is customs, the police and a myriad of agencies are onto this online world of trading. Vendors using the same postal method ought to keep changing. How easy is to replicate any business letter?

Anyhow my theory is that there will come a time that mail in the West is scrutinized by auto x-ray with software hooked up to all kinds of shit.

And lets face it. Any letter with a gram of h, coke, weed, hash, ket, MDMA or mushrooms is easy to spot IF the officer is awake and on the ball and looking at the x-ray machine..

The weak link is customs buying a sample to get the actual style and look of delivery. Some are EASY to spot once they are tagged. Customs do have photocopies of various letters/parcels they are intercepting. The UK customs could easily fund an op to buy off here. Political pressure may bring this to bear fruit.

And yes - sounds like a kid or someone not on the ball folded under the pressure. IF you ever got a small package of a gram intercepted its a love letter. Higher amounts its smash the door in time.

Worse case, you bought a bit and were sitting with 100 grams of whatever in the cereal box. Your caught but can dig yourself deeper talking. NEVER give up the vendor account pass. Memorise that. Change it now IF you ever written it down on a pc or usb you have not wiped clean. Memorise that pass and pin. You got NO link to SR whatsoever because you also made a linux usb stick or bought one, right?

 ;D
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: TheBusiness on July 25, 2012, 10:45 pm
Everytime I read a "bust" post here on the forums everyone seems to get really defensive. Then the inevitable posts about how dumb the user was, followed by more self congratulatory remarks about how many steps ahead SR users are compared to the fuzz.

The fact is, it can, and very may well happen to any of you. For every story we read about in the media, I bet you there are dozen more where SR users simply go off the radar quietly.

It's all good and well to poke fun, but bust stories are an important reminder not to lose your own complacency and that in many ways the "game" is a bit of a gamble. Sure, you may well be safe enough doing all the right things and getting personal amounts. That doesn't mean an intercepted package won't lead to a policeman on your front doorstep and a severe disruption to your life even without conviction.

Anyway, as you were :)
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Spunkaroo on July 25, 2012, 10:52 pm
I also think you're probably right about the 'kid' remark, and if that's true, and they cop jail time, well that's really sad in my opinion. But for any kids reading this (there are none, they don't come to the forums...) remember this: BUYING ILLEGAL GOODS HERE IS JUST AS ILLEGAL AS BUYING THEM ON THE STREET. HAVE A LONG HARD THINK ABOUT THE RISK VS RETURN BEFORE YOU BUY. DON'T FUCK UP YOUR LIFE FOREVER JUST TO GET HIGH.

Consenting adults on the other hand are exactly that, ADULTS.

Bit of rant I know, but people in general being arrested for drugs kind of puts me in a bad mood.

See now look at your post:

You're no better than the people that are against drugs.

We're Silk Road. We're a community. Just because someone is a 'kid', doesn't mean they should have to listen to your lectures. Some of the kids nowadays are smarter than the adults.

I find it almost 'offensive', how a fellow drug user such as yourself, is being just as closed minded as the rest.

"DON'T FUCK UP YOUR LIFE FOREVER JUST TO GET HIGH"

That seems slightly hypocritical considering the community you're a part of.

My point is, don't dismiss someone due to age, rage, personal views .etc.

Just to clarify, by kid I mean someone who is immature. I know 16 year olds that I consider to be adults and 25 year olds that are just kids to me.

But you're right, some of that post was out of line. I was pretty tired when I wrote it, and if I were to try again now it would be very different. I hate to see people arrested for exercising personal freedoms, and I guess sometimes I would just prefer to kids didn't get involved in this sort of stuff when the penalties, no matter how ridiculous they are, are still very real.

So revised post: If you're a kid and you're reading this remember that a lot of what's sold here is very very illegal and there are very real penalties for purchasing these if you're caught. This is real life, not a game. Make sure you understand that.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Dimitrius on July 26, 2012, 05:52 am
Whoa, little harsh for me at the end there, but I do agree that these people are total jackasses.
I don't agree with this mass generalisation.

LE aren't dumbasses for following the law; that is their job, that is what they signed up for. AU law and society views recreational drug use (and importation) as a crime; thus, we are criminals. We are their enemies and they must try to stop us, because it's in the job description. On an individual basis some LE are recreational drug users themselves, and likely sympathise with the users they have to arrest because they know how easily it could be them if they didn't have a badge and gun.

What we need is a cultural shift in how AU society views recreational drug use. That kind of shift is fucking hard to effect, but I hope to see it start happening in my lifetime. I'll be doing my part to effect that shift, in ways I won't describe here.

I meant it more generally: people that are blindly against drugs are jackasses, including LEOs. Obviously they have to do their job, so that's whatever.

But yeah, it obviously requires a lot of social change, but all these problems stem from assholes who think they can / need to tell other people what to do and how to live their lives. And this encompasses far more than drugs in terms of civil liberties. And in the US it's even worse lol. Fuckers need to just lay off and worry about themselves, instead of worrying about what everyone else is doing and trying to control them. Sad, sad people...

Not all LEO are on board with the war on drugs.  Marc Emery recently stated that even the man who prosecuted him for selling marijuana seeds has now changed his mind with respect to legalization. Emery stated he believes weed will be legal withn 5 years. (Personally, I think he's too optimistic, but I do see it as inevitable.)

Guru

+1

I think we underestimate the speed at which we as a species can evolve socially and culturally when the economic system starts to fail. And when theres money to be made and taxed it's only a matter of time before half-baked moralisms give way to the runaway train of capitalism...whether it's good for harm minimisation or the individual has nothing to do with the reasons decriminalisation will eventually happen. It's unfortunate, but it is money that makes the homo-sapien world spin around.

And I second Gibbroni's rant. Who the fuck thinks they have the right to tell me what I want to do with my own body. And drugs can do fantastic things socially...Nowhere to be at 6pm with 2 MDMA caps and a lover...A sunny day with Changa, tea and a good friend, Friday arvo with 3 grams of coke, 4-star swagger and a group of cute girls. I feel sorry for people who have only had the oppurtunity to experience and explore some of the interconnectedness of social interaction and psychoactive compounds when alcohol is involved. And yes, I have problems with certain compounds...but my longest lasting unfulfilling and empty relationship is with Nicotine. And I can stroll down the shop and pick up a 20-pack of Malboro Gold, with not a hint of social awkwardness.

***End Gibbronesque Rant***

Just to keep things on track: AUSSIE ARRESTS SUCK. BOOOOOO!

Oh and I just stumbled upon this little gem - the Good Drug Guide (clearnet warning):
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: paddymiller on July 26, 2012, 06:09 am

+1

I think we underestimate the speed at which we as a species can evolve socially and culturally when the economic system starts to fail. And when theres money to be made and taxed it's only a matter of time before half-baked moralisms give way to the runaway train of capitalism...whether it's good for harm minimisation or the individual has nothing to do with the reasons decriminalisation will eventually happen. It's unfortunate, but it is money that makes the homo-sapien world spin around.

And I second Gibbroni's rant. Who the fuck thinks they have the right to tell me what I want to do with my own body. And drugs can do fantastic things socially...Nowhere to be at 6pm with 2 MDMA caps and a lover...A sunny day with Changa, tea and a good friend, Friday arvo with 3 grams of coke, 4-star swagger and a group of cute girls. I feel sorry for people who have only had the oppurtunity to experience and explore some of the interconnectedness of social interaction and psychoactive compounds when alcohol is involved. And yes, I have problems with certain compounds...but my longest lasting unfulfilling and empty relationship is with Nicotine. And I can stroll down the shop and pick up a 20-pack of Malboro Gold, with not a hint of social awkwardness.

***End Gibbronesque Rant***

Just to keep things on track: AUSSIE ARRESTS SUCK. BOOOOOO!

Oh and I just stumbled upon this little gem - the Good Drug Guide (clearnet warning):
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/

+1.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: masterblaster on July 26, 2012, 06:25 am
I for one agree with you all, they're wrong and we're right.

/circlejerk

Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: pine on July 26, 2012, 06:48 am
The real threat, though its not going to rolled out for a while, would be software that does what the human eye does, only much better and it never tires. There are prototypes and the security industry pushes the paranoia over drugs and terror. The USA would be first to deploy it. The cost would be billions but the USA spends billions bombing other nations that are not a threat to the West period. They are now. Billions means nothing to whoever is up there. We pay it in taxes, they spend it on projects that they and their mates profit off.

It sounds right at first, but if you search my posts you'll see that it cannot actually be true for several reasons beyond the sheer scale of analyzing every package. Even with ion spec machines giving you drug sensing equipment accurate to a nanogram, it's still completely hopeless. LE will never obtain a magical machine that allows them to figure out precisely what is in every package in the necessary way for them to succeed. The false positive rate will always be too high because any drug sensing equipment sensitive enough to find a HDPP triple vaccum packed package will also be sensitive enough to obtain so many false positives it'd be unreal. Your postman smokes a joint or accepts a letter from somebody who did, and suddenly the entire post office has to lockdown to discover the package to prevent it spreading particulate to the sorting office. Like I kept saying, the majority of cash has detectable amounts of cocaine and other drugs on it, and cash in the mail is hardly uncommon. And even if that wasn't true, we could just salt the post boxes of the world with fine particulate that would trip the sensors again and again, so unless LE expect every sorting center to convert themselves into cleanrooms for the sole purpose detection of drugs...

And the post offices in most places are pretty much bust. If you make P&P due to all this expensive machinery, then citizens will start setting up their own post offices, not to mention if the post office slows down the entire economy will grind to a halt.

Even if the machines put up with it, the people won't. One way or the other.

My original post on the subject: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=16544.msg206494#msg206494
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: pine on July 26, 2012, 06:50 am
Oh yeah, and just for USPS alone, I think I worked out that it would take 6000 years to scan all the post, even if they were able to scan 1 million packages per second.


[Edit]

As for the Oz police saying they're one step ahead, I have 1 thing to say to them.

97.51%

That is all.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: InnocentBystander4 on July 26, 2012, 07:31 am
Silk road is mentioned specifically .. but really anyone in Aus that uses Topix, SR, private forums, onion sites etc and orders items for delivery via MAIL is at risk.

Its the postal system/customs thats on their ass and its always been that way there and likely always will be.

I think I agree more with the article
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Dimitrius on July 26, 2012, 08:07 am
Oh yeah, and just for USPS alone, I think I worked out that it would take 6000 years to scan all the post, even if they were able to scan 1 million packages per second.


Spo on. There's no possible way to mechanise detection on that scale without the redundancy of the system collapsing.

Although, I thought the poster was talking more about optical detection, ie using some sort of high-speed package profiling equipment. Capturing address details of incomming parcels and storing on some kind of database for the purposes of running some kind of statistical analysis bot or as a reference later for detectives when condicting an investigation.

Regardless, from what you've said it sounds like even using something like optical sensing which is orders of magnitude more efficient than sensing nanograms of illegal compounds would cause the mail system to grind to a halt.

Fuck hypotheticals are fun. But so ridiculous.

Btw Pine. Whats the significance of 97.51%?
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: pine on July 26, 2012, 08:41 am
Btw Pine. Whats the significance of 97.51%?

Quote
DSR: 97.5173783515%

Results: 982 out of 1007 packages arrived without incident.

97.51% packages from SR get from A to B without incident of any kind. We did an extensive survey of packages from vendors and buyers points of view across many countries. The link is in my sig, as well as other good stuff.

The majority of the rest are either lost, received but claimed as missing by fraudulent buyers, are delayed due to mislabeling by the seller or bad address data given by the buyer (happens a lot here) and so on.

It's an educated guess to state the the actual rate of interception of SR packages is probably between a half and a tenth of 1 percentage or less.

Even in those cases, a whole lot of packages from one or two vendors account for the majority of seized packages, because either the vendor is a complete dumb-ass at packaging and doesn't take it seriously, or else LE already had the vendor under surveillance because of RL related operations.

If a vendor trades exclusively on SR and other darknet hidden services, takes the reverse package profiling techniques seriously, is up to date on subjects like particulate penetration rates through HDPP plastic, has a respectable vaccum packing device + experience, then I would estimate the capture/interception rates at between 1 in 1000 - 1 in 10,000. And if you regularly alternate style like some vendors do, then that's irrelevant.

If you're a buyer, and you choose a respected vendor with good feedback, positive comments made on packaging, try to obtain your product domestically, then the odds of interception from your point of view are miniscule. About the same as receiving any package from Ebay or Amazon basically.

We often get a skewed point of view on the forums, because negative occurrences like a missing package or a love letter are always going to be brought up, but people don't mention every time a package arrived without fanfare.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Top on July 29, 2012, 10:16 am
This is purely speculation but I will tell you what happened... the guy/kid has been ordering off the Road and oz customs caught one and when they confronted him he couldn't hold his mud and told on himself which is where the multiple charges came from... he probably gave up his account...

 Silk Road HAS NOT been compromised.

^ Oath
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Dugers on July 29, 2012, 02:37 pm
Sounds like a typical media report where they catch 1 person and use that as an example to give everyone else a scare by making them assume that they have a clue!
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Rawrman on July 29, 2012, 10:38 pm
Yea typical shit like always, this was prob one guy ordering more than personal use amount that got a large package or 2 caught in customs and fucking ran his mouth about SR, just gotta look at the life imprisonment and/or a $825,000 fine or whatever and see what they are trying to do. That's just attempting to look scary and try keep people away, honestly you would need to be holding LOTS of drugs to get anything near that, and i have my doubts over the whole thing,

So basically this is just scare tactics but we already knew that, always risk with international nothing changed use domestic and avoid customs bullshit or take that risk just make sure you are 100% anonymous in funding and sending personal details, don't import large amount and keep your mouth shut if they come knocking.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: tootiefruitie on July 29, 2012, 11:19 pm
They would be one step ahead of us if they busted someone ten years ago when the early private forums were booming and people were selling grams of raw crystal LSD. Sorry guys your one bust doesn't make you ahead of shit. In fact we are so far ahead of you that we could take naps. Shit we could set up tents and camp out. We will continue to win more and more and when we reach the finish line there is going to be hell to pay for all who fucked with us. LE are so naive, they think the war on drugs will be won by them, but the ones who know they will lose think that they will be spared when they are in the minority. I can't wait until we vote for death sentences for all who ever enforced drug laws. The thought of their mass executions is extremely pleasant , I hope it comes soon.

no tents for us, and especially no naps.  when the rabbit did that shit, the tortoise won remember?  our survival in this fight relies on us never allowing ourselves or one another to become placated and lazy about simple security steps and precautions.  i'd place money on this person's SR account being found because it was just sitting on a pc, not hidden or encrypted or etc it any way whatsoever.  i hope you're kidding about supporting death penalty btw.

our generation will likely never see a clear finish line in our war on the war on drugs.  it's guerrilla warfare.  neither side is following a code of war, the enemy began with their villainous campaign and have forced many into uncomfortable or degrading positions, but this only gives us more will to fight back.  while it might be difficult to win the war from where we are, we guerrillas are also essentially impossible to eradicate.  as long as we're here we'll scratch, kick, throw salt in their eyes, manipulate everything we can and weaponize everything we touch.  but  compacency is our most immediate siginificant threat.  we don't need things like naps or tents, we have drugs to get us through!  our resistance cannot end until there is no one left who remembers first hand the horrors caused by widespread prohibition.   victory for us might be nowhere in sight, but it does not matter because WE CANNOT BE DEFEATED.

the comment about LE being one step ahead is obviously ridiculous.  that's like going on an elephant hunt and claiming victory when you find a dying cockroach in the hotel the night before.  but let them exaggerate, let them spread the word of a freedom more widespread here than any of us has experienced before.  as long as we are here standing vigilant and ready to coach, train, teach, and guide, the enemy's press tactics will do nothing but swell our ranks.

if we want to actually move toward victory in this struggle, each and every one us must become more dedicated to a part of our cause.  join LouisCypher, Guru, and Pine as they spearhead an effort to  ensure our encryption abilities remain sufficient and secure.  Instead of blowing them off as nerds when they start talking over your head, why not ask for guidance on where to learn it yourself?  work at some sort of mail room or packaging store?  spend your free time brainstorming and wasting the company's materials as you come up with a shipment method so universal, it can withstand longer than any before it.  my point is, mathematics genius, or high school drop out just do anything and everything you can. [EDIT: no longer refuse to educate yourself!.  are you guys all aware that we have a retired aerospace engineer  here on the forums, who will hapily disburse free specific information about what packaging materials will leak zero odor while a package is in air cargo.  i'm sure at least  1/4 of the vendors here don't even know who i'm talking about though.  and there are more valuable sources of information almost everywhere you look!] if you think all of what i've said here is assinine or half baked, then you are in the wrong place.   silk road is more than just a marketplace.  it is the beginning of the  new generation's time to stage sit-ins at the local lunch counter. it is the next incarnation of  a slave rebellion. it is the people, finally rising up together to fight the injustices we've been subjected to from before birth. and our movement is postioned so perfectly that it might quickly reach a staggering or even unstoppable scale.   our enemy would love nothing more than to turn it into the next hunt for weapons of mass destruction that never existed, or a drastically downplayed article 12pages deep in the morning newspaper, or just another assassinated revolutionary that they  can label dangerous, or insance.  but if this place falls, LE would bring a large portion of humanity down with it.
for any of you reading this, thinking things like "oh i only buy small amounts, encryption serves no purpose for me." or "it's ok that the mdma was returned to a fake return address due to my careless mistake, it's just money and i can afford it"  yes you, who keeps ordering from NL even though the last 3 packages are all4mos late.  if each person sliently brushes it off as to small to be significant, a giant sinkhole will appaear underfoot one day because we refused to see the stress lines and constant strain while it grew.  unless you are willing to change, please leave our beloved onion today, right now.  enough small cracks can cause even the largest of foundations to crumble. so take your complacency and laziness, and your intentionally self-allowed ignorance back to the streets to get your drugs.because  the rest of us are able to see that we are taking part in something extraordinarily significant, where the whole is infinitely greater than the sum of its parts. for this, we will do everything within our power, and fight back until they squeeze the final drop of blood from our hearts. 
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Gibbroni on August 02, 2012, 02:31 pm
wow ^  +1
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: rake on August 02, 2012, 02:51 pm
I have a different take to what was published.  It's a press release.  It is not a statement in pure fact, PRs are thinly veiled advertisements designed to get free media exposure.  They are sending a message to the general population, that the AFP is aware and actively looking at sites such as this.  They are sending a message that 1g coke may only be a possession charge if a regular cop finds it on you, but get caught sending or receiving it through the mail and you're truly fucked.

But.  Follow the buyers guide and you should be safe.  Some of us have been here longer that that pommy post-whore Limitless and have not had a problem in the world.


Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Slidedaddy on August 02, 2012, 02:54 pm
TootieFruitie has got him/her self a mouth piece there. I agree 1000%. Wish I could express thought and feelings to that degree.

Here, Here...
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: tootiefruitie on August 10, 2012, 12:06 pm
sorry to bump an old thread.....just saw that my post received positive reponse, and that's rare! i appreciate it!
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: dieselpepper on August 26, 2012, 12:20 am
  are you guys all aware that we have a retired aerospace engineer  here on the forums, who will hapily disburse free specific information about what packaging materials will leak zero odor while a package is in air cargo ... silk road is more than just a marketplace.  it is the beginning of the  new generation's time to stage sit-ins at the local lunch counter. it is the next incarnation of  a slave rebellion. it is the people, finally rising up together to fight the injustices we've been subjected to from before birth. and our movement is postioned so perfectly that it might quickly reach a staggering or even unstoppable scale

Well said.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: pine on August 26, 2012, 06:25 am
sorry to bump an old thread.....just saw that my post received positive reponse, and that's rare! i appreciate it!

We need more "I have a dream" moments in the world, there's too much apathy and fatigue out there already.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: CharasBros on August 26, 2012, 06:55 am
some times ago AFP posted data that 80% intercepts based on prior intel. They already expecting package, or watching for address, so it got intercepted.  In AU many people going prescription way, obtaining prescription and then buying controlled items. Later same guy orders here and I would attribute 99% of lost mails on SR to buyers stupidity. There is no such things happening in private scene.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: peels4u on August 26, 2012, 07:18 am
Sounds like a typical media report where they catch 1 person and use that as an example to give everyone else a scare by making them assume that they have a clue!

LE PR people definitely maximize the bullshit in their statements. A good example is the way they calculate the value of seizures. Let's say they confiscate 1000 ecstasy pills. They will claim that they took $30,000 worth of ecstasy off the streets, because somewhere in the world it is sold for $30. Nevermind that most people don't pay over $10 these days, and anyone receiving 1000 pills will be paying much less than that.

The bullshit in their statements is simply propaganda in the war we are in.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: pine on August 26, 2012, 08:11 am
some times ago AFP posted data that 80% intercepts based on prior intel. They already expecting package, or watching for address, so it got intercepted.  In AU many people going prescription way, obtaining prescription and then buying controlled items. Later same guy orders here and I would attribute 99% of lost mails on SR to buyers stupidity. There is no such things happening in private scene.

Yes exactly, I've thought that for a long while now. There's an ocean of legal drugs flowing through the postal system, not necessarily legal in the sense of not being scheduled, but illegal in the sense of not being prescribed or else prohibited by the Customs + Doctors Assocs + WesternPharma holy trinity legal Cartel in practice even if not in law. In particular, a huge amount, hundreds of millions, of Westerners are figuring out they can get the equivalent generic meds from abroad at a tiny fraction of the price in the West, sometimes saving them up to 30-40% of their income if they are an OAP.

There are criminal activities going on in the postal system, and it sure ain't us! We're providing a service however you look at it! Regular civilians are getting raped up the ass on a daily basis here by these 21st century highway men.

The majority of illicit product seized, was probably either initially thought to be what this legal Cartel thought was "counterfeit" (protip: counterfeit doesn't mean medication that doesn't do what it's supposed to, 99% of the time it really means medication that wasn't 'allowable' by this Cartel in the West, where every med that isn't brand name or whose manufacturer isn't providing kickbacks is 'counterfeit'), or else from prior intel like CharasBros said.

This is another reason to stick to Standard Mail, the faster your delivery, the more customs paperwork filled out, the more likely you're to get a package intercepted by these clowns thinking it's non taxed tobacco, generics from India/China or steroids. This is backed up by the interviews we had with JanetReno and other people working with the post office system, they burn uncountable tons of all kinds of drugs in big furnaces periodically, most of which are legit. Incredible degree of resource destruction is going on.

Another tip: the best way to minimize possible prior intelligence gathering for personal use buyers, apart from all the other precautions about using respectable vendors yaddayadda, is to do one 1 package at a time to your address, wait until it arrives before reordering. This sucks for people from Australia or New Zealand due to the long delivery times, but that's a problem that will gradually alleviate itself over time (I see postal drones in the future... :)). Everybody else should really be doing that though, it's sensible, boring and very annoying, but probably for the best.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: aleksandr1 on August 26, 2012, 08:53 pm
Whats wrong with these Aussies? They cant win a gold medal to save their lives, they cant cook anything on the BBQ for shit, they can't win a game of Cricket and they sure as fuck can't get their heads around SR ..
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: Errl_Kushman on August 27, 2012, 12:21 am
I can't wait until we vote for death sentences for all who ever enforced drug laws. The thought of their mass executions is extremely pleasant , I hope it comes soon.

Still wouldn't do justice the millions upon millions of lives they have ruined. Its a start though.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 27, 2012, 12:51 am
I can't wait until we vote for death sentences for all who ever enforced drug laws. The thought of their mass executions is extremely pleasant , I hope it comes soon.
Still wouldn't do justice the millions upon millions of lives they have ruined. Its a start though.
I think I actually can relate this to the Holocaust without it being a stretch. Haha, man... you wanna talk about ruining millions of lives? Executing someone for upholding the drug laws, no matter how much you disagree with those laws, would ruin at least a few lives. Everyone has a family.

Hey! I can actually relate you two to Hitler, and it STILL isn't a stretch. Man, genocide really brings horrible people together.
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: BenCousins on August 29, 2012, 07:56 pm
  are you guys all aware that we have a retired aerospace engineer  here on the forums, who will hapily disburse free specific information about what packaging materials will leak zero odor while a package is in air cargo ... silk road is more than just a marketplace.  it is the beginning of the  new generation's time to stage sit-ins at the local lunch counter. it is the next incarnation of  a slave rebellion. it is the people, finally rising up together to fight the injustices we've been subjected to from before birth. and our movement is postioned so perfectly that it might quickly reach a staggering or even unstoppable scale

Well said.

interested in who the retired aerospace engineer is or if there is already a thread with these details?
Title: Re: Oz - SR arrest
Post by: shandyison on August 29, 2012, 09:36 pm
~The only reason I know about SR is that it was on a BBC website ... some documentary or something like that ... apart from that I would never had known. So maybe this will provide more customers :-) for SR