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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Timewilltell on May 01, 2012, 11:49 pm
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First off let me say that yes, it is our own fault for finalising early and we all got scammed. You gave us the warning, yes, we take responsibility for our own losses. And I am sure you are very busy.. but ..
But, why are they yet to comment at all? They havent given us ANY information.
Many of us are still wondering if Tony/Noriega are actually scamming or if there is just some kind of problem. The admins have access to log in records/withdrawal dates and history/extended feedback/PRIVATE PMS etc..
Yet not one of them has said a fucking word about this. And if these are indeed scams, they are by no means insignificant. if it turns out both Nor and t76 took off i'd estimate at least $200,000 was taken. That deserves atleast a cursory response/statement.
Considering that 10%> of all the money we spend goes straight to you guys, you'd think there would be a little bit of information given.
Again i'm not asking you to come and refund us or ban FE or some bullshit. We just want some fucking information that we dont have access to.
This is stressing everybody out and we just want to know if we have actually been scammed or not (not saying you know that 100%, but you are bound to have more info than us!)
The integrity of SR is in question here (people are saying things like DPR is working with Tony etc).. Personally I think that is nonsense but it is damaging silk road for the admins to stay silent on this. It would be better for you to come out and make a clear statement. Even if that statement is that you don't give a shit and that you aren't going to investigate it. Even that is better than SILENCE
Why don't you at least divulge what you know about the situation so we can all see where we stand/what information is known.
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I completely agree.
I honestly think that tony76 and Noriega we're inside jobs. After the whole SR msg that accused a false (non-existent) seller of conducting out of escrow transactions after the OOE transaction ban was put in place, happened, and SR administration admitted to falsifying information to impose the new system, I grow weary of the SR staff and their actual involvement into this matter.
They (tony76 and noriega) have/had an insane amount of access to in-demand illegal drugs, and shipped them as promptly as possible. I live in the USA and orders from Tony and Noriega made it in less tan 7 business days. ALWAYS.
Maybe it's just a great scheme (be a 99% buyer for a few months than scam the shit out of everyone). But the fact that no-one has received anything alludes to the fact that something very fishy is going on...
Funny thing is, the last two orders I've placed were $200+ orders, one from Tony and one from Noriega, so it looks like I'm double-fucked.
Let's just all stay in the escrow system mmk?
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I completely agree.
I honestly think that tony76 and Noriega we're inside jobs. After the whole SR msg that accused a false (non-existent) seller of conducting out of escrow transactions after the OOE transaction ban was put in place, happened, and SR administration admitted to falsifying information to impose the new system, I grow weary of the SR staff and their actual involvement into this matter.
i havent heard of this, could you elaborate, what actually happened? (do you have the link to the thread etc?)
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Given the massive scope of the latest swindle, I think it's completely justified in expecting some sort of response from SR admin, even if it's just to say "we told you not to FE, and this is why."
Acting like it hasn't happened by not commenting on it is really, really poor form. This is their business, after all.
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they should deffo be saying something ,whats the falsifying thing about
they say u shouldnt FE but what u meant to do when all the main guys make u FE or fuck off
aaoven or whatever had links to nor i think or at least they mentioned each other on there pages ,has he been up to anything
the site owners probably are the top vendors,what did dpr vend when it started
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they should deffo be saying something ,whats the falsifying thing about
they say u shouldnt FE but what u meant to do when all the main guys make u FE or fuck off
aaoven or whatever had links to nor i think or at least they mentioned each other on there pages ,has he been up to anything
the site owners probably are the top vendors,what did dpr vend when it started
YES..
Aakoven knows Noriega.. If u check noriegas post history, when he came on here to announce that he was becoming a new vendor Aakoven vouched for him and gave the vibe of knwoing each other, we can assume they know each other IRL.
They might even be the same fucking person.
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aakoven dosnt mention nor on his page anymore
if the admin dont say anything soon this place is going down hill big time
if i was a vendor and had money tied up in escrow etc can u really trust the site owners coz i wouldnt after the 2 biggest players by miles go missing at the same time on a site sale
dodgy as fuck
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I said it in another thread and I'll say it again, fuck the admins. No, I don't expect to be paid back, the money is gone. What I do expect is "it's true guys $0.00 in the account and it looks like he's gone".
They banned mike.murphy real fucking quick but not Tony... There's something sketchy as fuck about that and not only the huge scam but the lack of ANY type of response has crushed my trust in SR.
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Well i said in another thread,
I think its safe to assume Tony is alive and well, He took down his private site past few hours
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aakoven dosnt mention nor on his page anymore
if the admin dont say anything soon this place is going down hill big time
if i was a vendor and had money tied up in escrow etc can u really trust the site owners coz i wouldnt after the 2 biggest players by miles go missing at the same time on a site sale
dodgy as fuck
Aakoven posted this in Noriegas VERY FIRST INTRO THREAD in January
HI there team Noriega... :-*
I know these guys..And u can trust them. 100 %.
these boys know what they are doing.
they had a good teacher ;)
And i my self love there coke..U pay a good price for top gear.
AAkoven 8)
So yes, it seems they know each other irl. could even be the same guy
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Wow, the conspiracy theories just got turned up to 11. Are you fucking serious right now? This was an inside job? Jesus people, you get scammed for stupidly deciding to finalize early (me too, we all acted stupidly) and you just want to blame anyone but yourself. Take responsibility for what you did. DPR just gave away thousands of bitcoins and prizes, and a whole fucking vacation, and you think that he's somehow in cahoots with Tony? What was the point of his scam then, just to pay off everything he gave everyone for the 420 sale? Lay off the drugs for a while.
Actually, I take it back. Go do some drugs, meditate, clear your mind a little. Tony scammed us all, end of story. No UFO's, no Bigfoot. Just one scammer that fucked us all, and the idiots, myself included, that finalized early and let this happen.
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If he took down his private site, it was because it could be used to find him. I would even be willing to bet that someone did what I suggested, and found him, or the LE did what I suggested, and found him.
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surely if u could find tony from his .onion site then u could find dpr from silk road? doesnt seem likely
But to your earlier comment about nazi shit, what do u mean exactly?
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Wow, the conspiracy theories just got turned up to 11. Are you fucking serious right now? This was an inside job? Jesus people, you get scammed for stupidly deciding to finalize early (me too, we all acted stupidly) and you just want to blame anyone but yourself. Take responsibility for what you did. DPR just gave away thousands of bitcoins and prizes, and a whole fucking vacation, and you think that he's somehow in cahoots with Tony? What was the point of his scam then, just to pay off everything he gave everyone for the 420 sale? Lay off the drugs for a while.
Actually, I take it back. Go do some drugs, meditate, clear your mind a little. Tony scammed us all, end of story. No UFO's, no Bigfoot. Just one scammer that fucked us all, and the idiots, myself included, that finalized early and let this happen.
noone is denying that it was our own fault
and i agree with you that it seems v unlikely that sr is involved in this at all (surely they want more customers and more legit vendors.. so they get more commission. doesnt make sense to risk everything by scamming your own customer base).
but it seems that noriega scammed us as well
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Uh oh, I better call the team from X-Files. You mean to tell me that TWO vendors took advantage of a huge sale and made away with thousands of dollars? TWO drug dealers that you have never met and are kept completely anonymous decided to make a lot of money and screw people over?? No way! Here I was thinking that coke and heroin dealers were the apex of our society.
Sorry for the extreme sarcasm, but this shit is getting ridiculous. If you haven't lost money to a scam drug dealer, then you haven't been in the game long enough. DPR didn't even collect commission during the 420 sale. Overall he lost a shit ton of money and that man deserves our fucking respect, so it just pisses me off when people try to throw all the blame on him. He's the one that even makes this site possible and people are like "OMG DPR STOLE OUR BTC CONSPIRACYYYYYYYYY." Grow up people. Learn your lesson and MOVE ON.
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Uh oh, I better call the team from X-Files. You mean to tell me that TWO vendors took advantage of a huge sale and made away with thousands of dollars? TWO drug dealers that you have never met and are kept completely anonymous decided to make a lot of money and screw people over?? No way! Here I was thinking that coke and heroin dealers were the apex of our society.
Sorry for the extreme sarcasm, but this shit is getting ridiculous. If you haven't lost money to a scam drug dealer, then you haven't been in the game long enough. DPR didn't even collect commission during the 420 sale. Overall he lost a shit ton of money and that man deserves our fucking respect, so it just pisses me off when people try to throw all the blame on him. He's the one that even makes this site possible and people are like "OMG DPR STOLE OUR BTC CONSPIRACYYYYYYYYY." Grow up people. Learn your lesson and MOVE ON.
wish i could give u rep. things are not as they appear, people. its almost impossible to know with absolute certainty the sort of personality/character of a vendor in this virtual world. take it as a lesson and stick with escrow, its there for a reason. for the millionth time... its a shame so many people were taken advantage of, and perhaps the admins could ameliorate the situation by just informing the custies whether theres any money in tony's account.
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lol seems i can tell the future! before 4/20 i posted this "lets just hope a few sellers don't take advantage of this sale and make everyone finalise early like last time and scam people out of their money and producttt *cough hybridmike cough* yayyyyyyyyy love getting scammed :)"
low and behold, two "trusted" vendors seem to have pulled a dodgy!
never FE, these sales always get people
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perhaps the admins could ameliorate the situation by just informing the custies whether theres any money in tony's account.
Thanks for the hypothetical rep lol. Just letting you know that your suggestion here wouldn't matter, because as I found out today vendors can set their account to "auto-withdraw." So chances are that there is no money in Tony's account, and it wouldn't be an indication of a scam whatsoever.
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I PMed Sr support 3 days ago asking if they had heard anything about tony since my package was 12 days from when it was marked in transit and its never taken so long and lots of other ppl on forums are upset cuz they ordered before the sale also etc etc.
They replied Monday, "
I haven't heard anything about this, I would recommend bringing it into resolution if you don't think it will come.
~SR Support" which is obvi impossible given if you dealt w tony you had to fe.. but anyway i responded w a link to the thread "has anyone recieved tony 420 shipment" so they know whats going on..id also like some public comment. lol tho idk where they'd post anything given there are like 50 threads asking the same q about tony now..
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Uh oh, I better call the team from X-Files. You mean to tell me that TWO vendors took advantage of a huge sale and made away with thousands of dollars? TWO drug dealers that you have never met and are kept completely anonymous decided to make a lot of money and screw people over?? No way! Here I was thinking that coke and heroin dealers were the apex of our society.
Sorry for the extreme sarcasm, but this shit is getting ridiculous. If you haven't lost money to a scam drug dealer, then you haven't been in the game long enough. DPR didn't even collect commission during the 420 sale. Overall he lost a shit ton of money and that man deserves our fucking respect, so it just pisses me off when people try to throw all the blame on him. He's the one that even makes this site possible and people are like "OMG DPR STOLE OUR BTC CONSPIRACYYYYYYYYY." Grow up people. Learn your lesson and MOVE ON.
what is with you man?
all i said is that noriega scammed.. you knew about tony and i was telling u about noriega.. you may have had purchases with him and not known
i wasnt saying "OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE TWO VENDORS SCAMMED!!!!" it is not even an interesting fact in and of itself
but the point of the thread is not to talk shit but to stress the point that
a) it is unclear whether a scam has occured
b) SR has access to information that may shed light on that
and the people clearly want some information or at least a reply
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there's nothing they can do. FE is entirely up to the buyer. this is a black market and not ebay.
sure it sucks Tony ran off but really nothing they can do about it. just be aware of the potential scammers in the future and don't FE
carding forums the guy is labelled as a ripper but it's not like the forum admins can do anything about it either. they always post "USE ESCROW"
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Even if it's the fault of the buyers, his sale was publicly advertised on the front page along with everyone else's. Just the fact that his sale was advertised by the website itself and so many people are speculating that they were scammed deserves a statement from the admins. I'm not expecting a refund (or my order), I'd just like to know more about what's going on like everyone else would.
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there's nothing they can do. FE is entirely up to the buyer. this is a black market and not ebay.
sure it sucks Tony ran off but really nothing they can do about it. just be aware of the potential scammers in the future and don't FE
carding forums the guy is labelled as a ripper but it's not like the forum admins can do anything about it either. they always post "USE ESCROW"
yes but point is it remains unclear as to whether it actually is a scam in noriegas case
and for the hundredth time.. only SR admins can see the info to know that, so we ask them. so far we get no reply. so i make this threa
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a) it is unclear whether a scam has occured
b) SR has access to information that may shed light on that
a) Wrong, it's extremely obvious what happened here.
b) Wrong, SR couldn't possibly help you in any way. If you could give me a single thing they could do that would actually tell us if a scam has occurred, I'll eat my left testicle.
z) Stop bitching at SR to do something. They already did they were supposed to by offering you protection in escrow. If you chose to ignore that, you're shit out of luck now.
You're basically implying that there's a chance DPR has played us, and it seemed to me that you were trying to say that Noriega was also somehow part of this, when it's pretty obvious that Noriega just independently pulled the same scam Tony did. Two vendors came up with an idea that doesn't take a super genius to figure out. You make buyers finalize early after gaining their trust, then you make off with the money. How hard is that to comprehend? What is with all the conspiracy theories? Occam's razor my friend, the simplest solution is usually the right one.
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Even if it's the fault of the buyers, his sale was publicly advertised on the front page along with everyone else's. Just the fact that his sale was advertised by the website itself and so many people are speculating that they were scammed deserves a statement from the admins. I'm not expecting a refund (or my order), I'd just like to know more about what's going on like everyone else would.
Allow me to do my best impression of the only thing an admin could possibly say about this:
"Hi folks. I'm really sorry about what happ- Oh what's that? You all finalized early, even though we warn you against doing that? Don't do it again. Have a nice day!"
What else can be said? They don't have to apologize, they didn't do a single thing wrong. What, you want them to hide all the finalize early vendors? Welcome to the free market. We made a poor choice and lost out because of it.
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It does smell like the admins were involved to some extent. The size of the ripoff, the absolute silence an then disappearance of *[T-Mart]. It really looks like the administration allowed it for a nice cut. If that proves true, which it never will "prove" anything, I can't say it will effect my habits here, though. Buying drugs is always risky. I have had people out right steal from me before. Built up trust and did shit right for a while then take a half a pound of bud and disappear. I don't think you can avoid that shit. I dont care if I buy from somebody here 100 times and we chat via pms and are friends even. If I can't call your house and speak to you, if I don't know where you live, no fucking way I'm putting $1000+ in on a deal.
We all know that CEOs and shit of big companies are good for embezzlement and that sort of shit. Imagine if those companies weren't even answerable to the law. DPR only really promises one thing, to provide the place. It's disappointing for sure to think management was involved, but I still don't see it as any different than real life except here nobody can pull a gun on you.
*Edited to change thread removal to websites removal*
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a) it is unclear whether a scam has occured
b) SR has access to information that may shed light on that
a) Wrong, it's extremely obvious what happened here.
b) Wrong, SR couldn't possibly help you in any way. If you could give me a single thing they could do that would actually tell us if a scam has occurred, I'll eat my left testicle.
z) Stop bitching at SR to do something. They already did they were supposed to by offering you protection in escrow. If you chose to ignore that, you're shit out of luck now.
You're basically implying that there's a chance DPR has played us, and it seemed to me that you were trying to say that Noriega was also somehow part of this, when it's pretty obvious that Noriega just independently pulled the same scam Tony did. Two vendors came up with an idea that doesn't take a super genius to figure out. You make buyers finalize early after gaining their trust, then you make off with the money. How hard is that to comprehend? What is with all the conspiracy theories? Occam's razor my friend, the simplest solution is usually the right one.
you're talking horse shit
read my posts in this thread
in my first post i said "people are implying dpr is in with tony personally i think this is nonsense".. so where are you getting this shit about me saying DPr is in on it?
And i never once implied noriega and tony were working together.. where the fuck are you conjuring this shit from dude? seriously that didnt even happen. Stop fabricating things out of thin air
i agree that it is clear in tonys case it is a scam but noriegas not so much. he has recent feedback, account still open - just many many people saying they didnt receive
it is a lot more likely than in tonys case that noriega is held up. personally i believe it is a scam but this is the fucking point ive been stressing now IT IS OPAQUE in the case of noriega we dont have undeniable proof like with tony
and as for information that admins can give.. they can check login/session/withdrawal (if it isnt on auto) times and check it with normal behaviour. also see if say noriega last logout was 3:01:04 and then a sep amsterdam vendor acc logs in with the same Tor session at 3:01:15 then that is worth checking out, not proof but worth checking for reference.. also they can see the speed at which he processed orders. if it comes thru that 10 orders were processed in one minute then we know that he couldnt have had time to copy the address down etc and was just speeding thru orders (proving he had no intention of sending).. also ther is extended feedback that we cant see, many have said that noriega might be selective scammer but to know that we have to look at more quite recent feedback (which is invisible atm, only the last few can be seen) so there you go thats just some fucking info off the top of my head and im sure sr admins know the site a lot more in depth than me and can see it from a better angle
and for the last time i already said i dont expect a refund or for them to do anything to ban FE or whatever so quit with the "you shouldnt have FEd blah blah" because i fucking KNOW.. i prefaced my first post with that point to stress that i dont expect that jsut some fucking INFO would be nice
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Even if it's the fault of the buyers, his sale was publicly advertised on the front page along with everyone else's. Just the fact that his sale was advertised by the website itself and so many people are speculating that they were scammed deserves a statement from the admins. I'm not expecting a refund (or my order), I'd just like to know more about what's going on like everyone else would.
Allow me to do my best impression of the only thing an admin could possibly say about this:
"Hi folks. I'm really sorry about what happ- Oh what's that? You all finalized early, even though we warn you against doing that? Don't do it again. Have a nice day!"
What else can be said? They don't have to apologize, they didn't do a single thing wrong. What, you want them to hide all the finalize early vendors? Welcome to the free market. We made a poor choice and lost out because of it.
While I agree with you, I should clarify that I don't expect an apology from anyone.
I still don't understand why tony's account isn't suspended yet. It wouldn't accomplish much but it just seems like a given in this situation.
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Even if it's the fault of the buyers, his sale was publicly advertised on the front page along with everyone else's. Just the fact that his sale was advertised by the website itself and so many people are speculating that they were scammed deserves a statement from the admins. I'm not expecting a refund (or my order), I'd just like to know more about what's going on like everyone else would.
Allow me to do my best impression of the only thing an admin could possibly say about this:
"Hi folks. I'm really sorry about what happ- Oh what's that? You all finalized early, even though we warn you against doing that? Don't do it again. Have a nice day!"
What else can be said? They don't have to apologize, they didn't do a single thing wrong. What, you want them to hide all the finalize early vendors? Welcome to the free market. We made a poor choice and lost out because of it.
fucking bullshit
how about
"noriegas account behaviour and recent feedback suggests his shipping success rate was less than 70%, in months prior it was 95%.. this suggests a selective scam. also he processed orders in short space of time, couldnt have done it that fast etc etc.. You all got scammed dont use FE"
Thats all were asking, just some fucking insider info that could shed some light on it
and if they dont have any info.. then just say that they dont have any info and we can all stop wondering
it isnt very much to ask
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If he took down his private site, it was because it could be used to find him. I would even be willing to bet that someone did what I suggested, and found him, or the LE did what I suggested, and found him.
So which is it? At one point you're screaming like a little girl that Tmart is a fishing site made by LE, now you're saying he took it down because LE might use his own site to find him?
Stop trolling, and contribute something useful.
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I know everybody's upset, as more and more people realize 'Tony ain't coming back,' but it still seems people want to be mad at something *anything* other than the man who pulled the scam.
SR set up this site with plenty of protections. For us to willingly go out of escrow, and then, even worse, for so many of us to go to Tony's alternate site, puts the blame squarely on our shoulders. SR went to a lot of trouble to set up a site that would protect us, and we we opted not to use these protections.
I'm not speaking 'from theory' or as an outsider. I lost over 100 btc on this little adventure.
It's time we looked at ourselves: the site functions fine. I don't want a 'nanny government' on Silk Road. Hopefully, in the future, I'll be more careful.
What's to comment on? I don't need them to lecture me about using the tools they provide: this site was based and designed on escrow. Some of us, for a long time, have opted to finalize early for trusted vendors. Some shyster came along and hustled us into doing it. Silk Road doesn't need to say a damned thing...all I have to do is look in the mirror, if I want to see who made the error here.
We made a mistake, we trusted a fairly new vendor. I"ve never been ripped when I played by the rules. Next time, when everybody's telling us to shut up, when we question a vendor's reliablility, when we question why we have to finalize early, how about we *don't* shut up. How about next time people start gushing about how wonderful a vendor is, we remind them of Tony?
We got skinned. Silk Road had nothing to do with it. If anything, they probably don't want to embarrass us by rubbing in the obvious.
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I agree when it comes to Tony it is pretty obvious
But with noriega not so much. It seems likely not but I would be surprised, but not shocked if he came back.
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First off let me say that yes, it is our own fault for finalising early and we all got scammed. You gave us the warning, yes, we take responsibility for our own losses. And I am sure you are very busy.. but ..
But, why are they yet to comment at all? They havent given us ANY information.
Many of us are still wondering if Tony/Noriega are actually scamming or if there is just some kind of problem. The admins have access to log in records/withdrawal dates and history/extended feedback/PRIVATE PMS etc..
Yet not one of them has said a fucking word about this. And if these are indeed scams, they are by no means insignificant. if it turns out both Nor and t76 took off i'd estimate at least $200,000 was taken. That deserves atleast a cursory response/statement.
Considering that 10%> of all the money we spend goes straight to you guys, you'd think there would be a little bit of information given.
Again i'm not asking you to come and refund us or ban FE or some bullshit. We just want some fucking information that we dont have access to.
This is stressing everybody out and we just want to know if we have actually been scammed or not (not saying you know that 100%, but you are bound to have more info than us!)
The integrity of SR is in question here (people are saying things like DPR is working with Tony etc).. Personally I think that is nonsense but it is damaging silk road for the admins to stay silent on this. It would be better for you to come out and make a clear statement. Even if that statement is that you don't give a shit and that you aren't going to investigate it. Even that is better than SILENCE
Why don't you at least divulge what you know about the situation so we can all see where we stand/what information is known.
The place to interact with admins is in the resolution center. But you probably don't even know what that is because you're too busy finalizing early.
Why do you think they have some obligation to come into these forums to give you the information you already know? Tony fucked you and he's gone. Stop finalizing early and it won't happen to you again.
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First off let me say that yes, it is our own fault for finalising early and we all got scammed. You gave us the warning, yes, we take responsibility for our own losses. And I am sure you are very busy.. but ..
But, why are they yet to comment at all? They havent given us ANY information.
Many of us are still wondering if Tony/Noriega are actually scamming or if there is just some kind of problem. The admins have access to log in records/withdrawal dates and history/extended feedback/PRIVATE PMS etc..
Yet not one of them has said a fucking word about this. And if these are indeed scams, they are by no means insignificant. if it turns out both Nor and t76 took off i'd estimate at least $200,000 was taken. That deserves atleast a cursory response/statement.
Considering that 10%> of all the money we spend goes straight to you guys, you'd think there would be a little bit of information given.
Again i'm not asking you to come and refund us or ban FE or some bullshit. We just want some fucking information that we dont have access to.
This is stressing everybody out and we just want to know if we have actually been scammed or not (not saying you know that 100%, but you are bound to have more info than us!)
The integrity of SR is in question here (people are saying things like DPR is working with Tony etc).. Personally I think that is nonsense but it is damaging silk road for the admins to stay silent on this. It would be better for you to come out and make a clear statement. Even if that statement is that you don't give a shit and that you aren't going to investigate it. Even that is better than SILENCE
Why don't you at least divulge what you know about the situation so we can all see where we stand/what information is known.
The place to interact with admins is in the resolution center. But you probably don't even know what that is because you're too busy finalizing early.
Why do you think they have some obligation to come into these forums to give you the information you already know? Tony fucked you and he's gone. Stop finalizing early and it won't happen to you again.
Are you seriously that dumb? How did you FE even after you'd been warned here
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I agree when it comes to Tony it is pretty obvious
But with noriega not so much. It seems likely not but I would be surprised, but not shocked if he came back.
Yeah, I don't know as much about Noriega...I think we're all just sorting it all out...probably good will come of this, we'll be more careful, and I've seen SR make changes to protect us, along the way, and I'm sure they're looking at this...particularly how brazen Tony was about luring people to his outside site, cutting SR totally out of the picture, when, without SR, he wouldn't have made all the money he made. I'm reading over the whole Tony76 thread, and it's fascinating and instructive...easy in hindsight to see the errors we made.
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Good will come of this. It's my prediction this will split SR and it will loose a good chunk of users. But what's left will be left with a better SR.
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Good will come of this. It's my prediction this will split SR and it will loose a good chunk of users. But what's left will be left with a better SR.
I think so, I mean: it's our first year, a whole new way of doing things, with plenty of protections that no one else had before. We're making all the mistakes that any new enterprise would make, especially one so brazenly, u know 'outside the law' ha ha....
Nothing yet I"ve seen that will tear us apart totally, or shut the place down...actually, nothing new, just more of the same...and truthfully, just more to remind us to be cautious. I'd been slacking up on a lot of shit on here that I used to be way more careful about, if you know what I mean, and I've dusted off my tails flash drive and a few other items I'd been neglecting...
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can't believe he took down t mart he coulda kept on scamming noobs
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Obama called DPR at home and told him to take it down. He said Tony was all fucked up on that expensive yak and not handling his business, so DPR needed to do it.
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You guys realize that if the people who run SR wanted, they could simply take all your bitcoin in an instant?
Apply Occam's razor to your ideas. If SR wanted to do an 'inside job' then it'd be simpler to merely embezzle all your money. But that would be short term greedy, they'll make much much more money by leaving the golden goose alone.
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You guys realize that if the people who run SR wanted, they could simply take all your bitcoin in an instant?
Apply Occam's razor to your ideas. If SR wanted to do an 'inside job' then it'd be simpler to merely embezzle all your money. But that would be short term greedy, they'll make much much more money by leaving the golden goose alone.
I think the only people that are seriously suggesting that SR are involved in this are the Alex Jones people and/or waaaay too high people.
We know for a fact that Tony scammed us and we suspect highly that Noriega has done too but it isn't 100% certain.
We ask the SR admins to look into Noriegas account history/behaviour/login patterns etc etc whatever hidden info you have that we don't know about, because it's stressing everybody out and noone knows whether it's a scam or not.
Aakoven who knows Noriega irl has said that he knows 100% that Noriega is back. The fact that Noriega hasn't logged in for 3 days proves that that is fucking bullshit. So I don't know where aakoven is getting that from.
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I like how it's been only a few days, and people are already saying it was an inside job. Why would the Silkroad Admins need to collaborate with vendors to steal your precious BTC? They could take them any time they liked!
It sucks that one of Silkroads most trusted vendors scammed you all, you're pissed I get that, but can we try not to blow this out of proportion?
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I like how it's been only a few days, and people are already saying it was an inside job. Why would the Silkroad Admins need to collaborate with vendors to steal your precious BTC? They could take them any time they liked!
It sucks that one of Silkroads most trusted vendors scammed you all, you're pissed I get that, but can we try not to blow this out of proportion?
Looks like it was 2/3 of them
Tony76/noriega and some other smaller guy. Probably a few more we haven't heard about as well.
Aakoven who knows noriega irl says he will ask him what the hell is going on when he sees him. I am inclined to think this is bullshit but then again maybe the guy is legit who knows. Considering that in Noriegas very first welcome thread Aakoven posted that he had good coke etc and could be trusted, it does make me suspect that noriega was aakovens alternate. I have no evidence for that however so don't hold me to it I'm just saying it's a possibility
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What makes you idiots think the Admins know anything? You said it right off the bat, your FE, it's YOUR RISK. If you can't live with that without bitching, leave the site and never come back.
Fucking whiney children I swear.
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My take on this, is that there've been several pretty bad ripoffs on here, of bitcoins and heroin and some other stuff I don't use. But it's our first year, so we're just having growing pains. SR has responded regularly to protect us in different ways: charging for vendors accounts, warning people to use escrow, not allowing new vendors to go out of escrow, and on and on.
And we too have been learning, just like on the streets. Unfortunately, we pay with cold hard cash to learn, but learn we do...
Mostly, I just want SR to survive, as I'd hate to have to deal, once again, with real live thugs and the cold hard concrete jail cells. This is better. But when I decide to stray from the setup--as I did, in this case--I can't expect the SR admins to come running. Of course I'd love to see some hackers track down Tony or other ripoff artists we've had, but I don't expect it. Mostly I just move on, try to learn from my mistakes...
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They will track him down if you pay them.
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They will track him down if you pay them.
Nah, not me. I'm over that fucker. Part of the game. I'm sure he'll get his.
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... they'll make much much more money by leaving the golden goose alone.
Maybe, Pine. But maybe it's just a matter of time. Just sayin'.
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They will track him down if you pay them.
Nah, not me. I'm over that fucker. Part of the game. I'm sure he'll get his.
Exactly, I got scammed too, I let my guard down once and got played. There's no one to blame but ourselves, the golden rule on SR is to never FE and we ignored that rule and did it anyway. Why administration even bother with this, they are constantly telling people not to FE or risk being scammed and well we did just that. At least Tony didn't get busted and all of his buyers are safe for the most part. I think we all learned a valuable lesson here and if anything it's only strengthened the community.
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Exactly, I got scammed too, I let my guard down once and got played. There's no one to blame but ourselves, the golden rule on SR is to never FE and we ignored that rule and did it anyway. Why administration even bother with this, they are constantly telling people not to FE or risk being scammed and well we did just that. At least Tony didn't get busted and all of his buyers are safe for the most part. I think we all learned a valuable lesson here and if anything it's only strengthened the community.
That's right. I mean, if SR hangs in and doesn't get busted--which I hope is the case--a few years from now, we'll be laughing about the 'early days' and the scammers that came with it. Tony will be like ItalianPilot and that btc scammer: just some lessons along the way. It's our first year of operation, and all this is to be expected. I find--as they did in this case--that the admins are regularly re-evaluating the site, removing bad vendors, and tightening up security. I wish them a long and prosperous life!