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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Juicexx on April 27, 2012, 01:14 pm
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So the cops discovered an order. They want me in for negotiation, is it safe to deny everything since i ordered it home and from SR. I could deny and make it look someone ordered to my adress?
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Say someone did it maliciously and that they set you up. They can't prove otherwise.
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So the cops discovered an order. They want me in for negotiation
If they had anything on you, they would have had an arrest warrant and you'd already have been booked. Don't show up. You're not obligated to answer any of their questions.
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you dont need to answer anything. you didnt do anything wrong right ?
if they got prove on you they would knock on your door . and they got your pc/laptop to see what you do and if they find evidence on it.
btw is it a big order?
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It's a very small order of 4 ecstacy pills... I live next to a high school so im going to say that someone posted it to me and was planning to pick it up before i got my post from my mailbox?
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Just my opinion. Don't say that. That sounds like your trying to cover something up.
Say you didn't order a package, you don't know what's in it. Deny everything and say you had no knowledge of these events.
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This is why it's best if you are getting something delivered to your door to stick a fake name on it. If it gets clocked you can argue the toss that the person on the address isn't you.
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It's a very small order of 4 ecstacy pills... I live next to a high school so im going to say that someone posted it to me and was planning to pick it up before i got my post from my mailbox?
Don't say a word... If you start to tell lies you'll trip over your tongue, and end up getting your shit pushed in by a 6'2" Ayrian called Fritz, all over 4 pills.
Clam up, don't say a word and watch them try to put it on you, which if you've followed all the guides contained in this forum, they'll have trouble doing.
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So if one finds themself in OP's situation, do you guys think it would be best to go in and deny everything, or simply not show and demand a lawyer if they come knocking again? Don't talk to the police sounds like the best advice to me no?
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guilt or innocence is never determined by what is NOT said... only what IS said... (and the evidence but since your NOT under arrest then that says it all)
you are NOT obligated to speak to anyone in Law Enforcement EVEN if you are under arrest... so why would you do it 'on the house'?
Look you know yourself better than anyone else... are you the kind of guy who can't handle pressure? does speaking to an authority figure make you want to unburden yourself of all your wrong doings? can you look a cop in the eye and tell him to go fuck himself? (not advised)
if your worried get an attorney and let him represent you... I would not recommend playing cat and mouse with them... they do it for a living... let the constitution work for you.. it is your ONLY friend in this situation.
good luck!
TJ
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DO NOT GO IN WITHOUT A LAWYER
if you decide not to go, it would still be a good idea to have a lawyer on retainer, and explain to him what you are being accused of
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Tell them these exact words "Fuck off you lazy pig fucker. If you have a warrant then you can come and arrest me, otherwise I have nothing to say to you. I am not doing your job for you as I am not being paid for it." they will understand that you know they dont have shit and they will either beef up and get a warrant(not likely since if they had enough for a warrant they'd already of had one), or they will go pick on someone their own size and leave you alone.
just my 0.02BTC
toker
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I'd just say something like, "I'm not comfortable talking to you about this without a lawyer". In the mean time, I'd remove any and all evidence from your computer that's associated with SR in any way, and remove any drugs and/or paraphernalia from your house.
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The don't want you in for negotiation, it's called interrogation!
This is what would happen, you go in, they act all nice, although very serious... and start asking you questions.
OR they start telling you they KNOW YOU DID SOMETHING. They have witnesses, video, audio ANYTHING. They will say anything and use any tactic to get you to talk. They'll get quiet and say they're just trying to help you get this put behind you. They'll let you sweat it out in a locked room for hours until you crack.
Can you say NO, No, no, no no no no no for hours on end like a broken record regardless of what threats and evidence they school you with? DO YOU EVEN WANT TO?
Follow the advice here. Call them back (OR DON'T EVEN!!!), and tell them you've done NOTHING wrong, know NOTHING, and you're NOT going to talk to THEM. For ANY REASON. If you have anyone who's a lawyer, or anyone knowledgeable enough to pose as your lawyer, tell them they can call them. They probably won't because it will have zero results!
Good luck!
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BETTER CALL SAUL
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It's as simple as this:
Law enforcement doesn't have anything on you. They are asking you to come and talk to them so you can incriminate yourself. Remember, police are legally able to lie to you. If they had anything on you, you wouldn't be asked to come and talk to them. Instead, your door would just be getting kicked in. Just don't show and don't answer your door if detectives or police know. They would just kick it in if they had a warrant. You are safe as long as you NEVER SAY A FUCKING WORD to the police. ALWAYS consult a lawyer BEFORE saying anything to law enforcement.
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> So the cops discovered an order. They want me in for negotiation.
Just say No Kids.
Police don't request a meeting if they have evidence you've committed a crime. They arrest you instead.
If you do walk into a police station, then watch the 'don't talk to the police' youtube video first.
If you *are* arrested, then lawyer up and STFU. More people would be walking the streets if they took that simple advice.
If you aren't arrested, then you're under no obligation to 'help the police with their inquiries'. You are a far too busy mammal. You still have yet to watch all seasons of I Love Lucy for example.
btw: Some people don't seem to fully understand this. I did not say: 'Deny Deny Deny'. I said don't talk. If you're arrested you don't claim you are innocent of a crime, any sooner than you would confess to one. Just don't talk full stop apart from giving mandatory details like your place of residence and your name etc, which is usually legally required in your state whether or not you talk to the police.
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BETTER CALL SAUL
Now that's some funny shit.
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How the hell did a pack with four freaking pills in it get intercepted?
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Have any of you watched 48 hours on A&E on a regular basis? It's amazing how many people fess up or try to argue their way out of it, all they did was make the case stronger or wrap it up for them.. I would say 95 percent or higher admit it or say something to mess them up..
The few guys that never said a word, i would say at least half of them couldnt be charged with anything, because of the evidence. the others that were convicted, were convicted of a lesser charge, like manslaughter or something..
If that show doesn't prove that you shouldn't say one word to the police i dont know what will. Like a previous poster said, dont deny or admit, just tell them you have no idea what they are talking about and lawyer up.
Also, those homicide detectives lie like crazy, telling suspects that another suspect snitched when they really didnt or tell them that they have dna that will link them.. If they have dna, why tell the suspect.. the cops will act that you are doing yourself a favor by telling them what they want to hear.. It makes me sick when I hear them tell a suspect "If you tell us know, it will make it better on you in the long run' and when they leave the room they high five each other and charge their suspects with first degree murder, so how did admitting anything help?
Im sure thats what they do in every departments investigations..
I would fork out a few hundred bucks to get a lawyer retained and just refer any questions to him/her as you have done nothing wrong...
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the ONLY words you should EVER EVER say to a cop are:
"I CHOSE TO REMAIN SILENT"
that's it! nothing before, nothing after! if they are in your presence and ask for ID, you must show them ID. other than that, the above 5 words are the only words you should ever say.
remember it is your RIGHT to remain silent, but once you open your mouth and LIE.. that's when a crime happens.
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Dave Chappelle did a pretty funny skit where all he did was plead the "fif"
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Bump to what ChronicPain wrote: the people who are arrested are ones that talk. You'll notice on the cases where the interrogated never say a word, they usually walk out, and the case goes 'unresolved'.
I won't reiterate what everyone has been suggesting, except that in addition to what everyone else has said, you need to delete this post/thread as well as your community member profile, considering you named what order it was they're questioning you about. It's amazing how many people come to the forums posting "hey my order was opened and resealed" kind of thread, and then they describe, in detail what the contents were, etc.
At least, that's what I'd do. Come back as someone else if you want to continue to be on the forums after it's all said and done.
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This is why it's best if you are getting something delivered to your door to stick a fake name on it. If it gets clocked you can argue the toss that the person on the address isn't you.
I thought we agreed it was better to use real names. There were many discussions about this in the "shipping" category, including stuff from post office workers and all, and in the end everyone agreed that using fake names led to package being returned or being suspicious as the fake name was not associated to the address otherwise; even to the postman it may seem odd like if he know that you're single he may flag your delivery as suspicious if he sees a strange package all of a sudden with a new recipient name... or have things changed since last time I checked?
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How the hell did a pack with four freaking pills in it get intercepted?
thats what im thinking. how was it shipped, OP? and which vendor? 4 pills shouldnt have triggered any alarms in the usps...
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If it was me , Id go burn down the local blueshirt/police station...... that should distract em !
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Jesus christ.. all you people telling him to say things like "someone must have ordered it to my house" or "it was someone waiting to pick it up from my mailbox" - you're all fucking MORONS.
Do you know how the police work?
DO NOT SAY SHIT. SAY FUCK ALL.
"Do you know about the package?"
"Lawyer please"
"Have you heard of silk road?"
"Lawyer please"
"Do you take pills a lot?"
"Lawyer please"
THAT IS ALL YOU SAY.
YOU DO NOT SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN ASK FOR A LAWYER. NO STORIES. NO EXCUSES. NO NOTHING. YOU ASK FOR A LAWYER.
And then you deny everything. You don't make up some hypothetical situation trying to explain how it got there, that isn't your job, it isn't your business. YOU DENY ALL KNOWLEDGE OF THE PACKAGE AT ALL.
THAT IS ALL YOU SHOULD DO AND ALL YOU EVER SHOULD DO
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BETTER CALL SAUL
Damn straight. The only thing besides "I want my lawyer" you should EVER say to a cop is "Please stop hitting me with your nightstick!".
They want to talk to you? GET A LAWYER. Tell him all about it. Follow his advice. Don't listen to cops. they don't work for you.. listen to your ATTORNEY!! He works for YOU.
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"Lawyer please"
Wait.. I don't think I caught that.. let's see it again.
"Lawyer please"
Hold on.. I think I may be getting warmer....
"Lawyer please"
Oh yeah.. and BTW...
"Lawyer please"
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I want to share my experience. Over Christmas I went to the Dominican Republic with my family. I did a little too much blow (street stuff, not SR quality.) Pretty sure it was heavily cut. Anyway, long story short, I ended up in the hospital. A blood test revealed that I had coke in my system. The hospital turned my wallet and cellphone (while I was unconscious) over to homeland security. I (being an idiot) had texted a buddy of mine saying "omg bro I just blew through Miami International Airport with an eight ball in my pocket." I ended up on an ambulance plane back to the US where I spent about two weeks in the Psyc ward of John Hopkins. At the same time I had a package delivered to my house. I obviously had to tell my father about the package since I figured homeland security would find out otherwise. Anyway, they came to his office to "speak" to him. That is all my father told me. All I know is that he turned the package over to them and that two weeks later I got my phone and wallet back. They gave my father a print out of my texts.
What do you think my father said to them? How come I was never arrested? My father won't tell me what he said or did. He is an affluent business man in a large metropolitan city. He is very straightforward and very ethical. Do you think homeland security just let it go? If so, why? Do you think they are watching me now? I've been silly and texted some dumb things since. Should I be concerned? I've had packages sent to me since and nothing has been intercepted.
hmmm? thoughts, feelings?
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Your father deserves respect. How do you feel about that situation? Have you changed your actions?
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In the USA, if I were ever "personally" charged with SERIOUS drug charges (aka, facing a "long" prison sentence, and depending on the state/your local jury of "peers"), I would personally put my money on "Jury Nullification".
A great place to start is: "Fully Informed Jury Association": https://fija.org
Long story short, "Jury Nullification" ended Prohibition itself. It is a "right" our for-fathers gave us to protect us from future "oppressive" regimes/governments and unjust laws.
It allows you, as a member on a jury, to say:
"This one time. For "whatever" reason of my conscience I may feel, I feel this specific law is "unjust" or should not apply "in this one specific case". But those cases "ad-up"! Therefore 66% of the time people were arrested for alcohol during Prohibition, jury's chose to invoke this right, and Prohibition "eventually" ended. Democracy (and Jury Nullification) at work. :)
It is TRULY our best hope. But the "powers that be" KNOW this. :)
All it takes to "hang" a jury is ONE vote. Yes the DA can appeal, and they have NOT made it easy to "inform" juror's. You can't just (most of the time) stand up in court and just "tell" the jury about their rights. You must 'flyer' courthouses, ect. Judges will intentionally inform jury's they MUST base their decisions on the "facts" of the case alone when this is simply not true.
In my opinion, it is THE most powerful weapon we have to TRULY end the War on Drugs (starting with Marijuana most likely), and has therefore also been actively opposed/repressed by Federal judges/Lobbyists/Interests, for many, MANY years. BECAUSE IT WORKS! Annd they KNOW it! :)
I wish I had more time to explain, but if you care even "a little" about ending the WOD, "PLEASE" look into it. And "pass it on". Like all good advice! ;)
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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BETTER CALL SAUL
Damn straight. The only thing besides "I want my lawyer" you should EVER say to a cop is "Please stop hitting me with your nightstick!".
They want to talk to you? GET A LAWYER. Tell him all about it. Follow his advice. Don't listen to cops. they don't work for you.. listen to your ATTORNEY!! He works for YOU.
That and a possible "don't taze me bro" for youtube notoriety.
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HELL no Juice. You know better than to talk to the cops. Don't ya? It sounds like it's your first run in with the law. Policemen routinely falsify police reports to solidify a bust. If you don't show up, there will be no report.
DON'T TALK TO THE COPS. NEVER EVER EVER NEVER NEVER EVER EVER NEVER NEVER!
It is the judge and the prosecutor who will decide your sentence.
If you go to the police station, they will lock you in a fucking cage.
It's good that you aren't locked up right now.
I have a feeling that things will work themselves out;
I will ask a special blessing for you tonight.
blessings,
elvenkonge
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Just my opinion. Don't say that. That sounds like your trying to cover something up.
Say you didn't order a package, you don't know what's in it. Deny everything and say you had no knowledge of these events.
This^
Just feign ignorance. Don't get super defensive, don't scream for a lawyer unless they start getting pushy. Just give 'em a blank face and a puzzled look.
This is why it's best if you are getting something delivered to your door to stick a fake name on it. If it gets clocked you can argue the toss that the person on the address isn't you.
Don't do that. it decreases the chance of your package being delivered and it doesn't give you any extra plausible deniability. If someone is drop-mailing to your address, they likely know your name and would use it for the delivery.
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I want to share my experience. Over Christmas I went to the Dominican Republic with my family. I did a little too much blow (street stuff, not SR quality.) Pretty sure it was heavily cut. Anyway, long story short, I ended up in the hospital. A blood test revealed that I had coke in my system. The hospital turned my wallet and cellphone (while I was unconscious) over to homeland security. I (being an idiot) had texted a buddy of mine saying "omg bro I just blew through Miami International Airport with an eight ball in my pocket." I ended up on an ambulance plane back to the US where I spent about two weeks in the Psyc ward of John Hopkins. At the same time I had a package delivered to my house. I obviously had to tell my father about the package since I figured homeland security would find out otherwise. Anyway, they came to his office to "speak" to him. That is all my father told me. All I know is that he turned the package over to them and that two weeks later I got my phone and wallet back. They gave my father a print out of my texts.
What do you think my father said to them? How come I was never arrested? My father won't tell me what he said or did. He is an affluent business man in a large metropolitan city. He is very straightforward and very ethical. Do you think homeland security just let it go? If so, why? Do you think they are watching me now? I've been silly and texted some dumb things since. Should I be concerned? I've had packages sent to me since and nothing has been intercepted.
hmmm? thoughts, feelings?
I hate that this happened to you because it just seems particularly unjust. I can't think of what code of ethics your father could possibly think he'd be violating by telling you the simple truth of what he discussed with DHS. Without knowing, you can only speculate. I would start by having a SERIOUS heart to heart with your dad.
In the USA, if I were ever "personally" charged with SERIOUS drug charges (aka, facing a "long" prison sentence, and depending on the state/your local jury of "peers"), I would personally put my money on "Jury Nullification".
A great place to start is: "Fully Informed Jury Association": https://fija.org
Long story short, "Jury Nullification" ended Prohibition itself. It is a "right" our for-fathers gave us to protect us from future "oppressive" regimes/governments and unjust laws.
It allows you, as a member on a jury, to say:
"This one time. For "whatever" reason of my conscience I may feel, I feel this specific law is "unjust" or should not apply "in this one specific case". But those cases "ad-up"! Therefore 66% of the time people were arrested for alcohol during Prohibition, jury's chose to invoke this right, and Prohibition "eventually" ended. Democracy (and Jury Nullification) at work. :)
It is TRULY our best hope. But the "powers that be" KNOW this. :)
All it takes to "hang" a jury is ONE vote. Yes the DA can appeal, and they have NOT made it easy to "inform" juror's. You can't just (most of the time) stand up in court and just "tell" the jury about their rights. You must 'flyer' courthouses, ect. Judges will intentionally inform jury's they MUST base their decisions on the "facts" of the case alone when this is simply not true.
In my opinion, it is THE most powerful weapon we have to TRULY end the War on Drugs (starting with Marijuana most likely), and has therefore also been actively opposed/repressed by Federal judges/Lobbyists/Interests, for many, MANY years. BECAUSE IT WORKS! Annd they KNOW it! :)
I wish I had more time to explain, but if you care even "a little" about ending the WOD, "PLEASE" look into it. And "pass it on". Like all good advice! ;)
Peace
The Flipside Crew
+1 for mentioning what is one of the last lines of defense the common man has against tyrannical government and unjust law. The problem is getting a juror who is both sympathetic and familiar with the concept.
Funny how judges don't want the jury to know it is their right to vote whatever way their conscience directs them, even going so far as to deliberately instruct them otherwise. Wouldn't want to be usurped of their authority in their own court, would they?
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Have any of you watched 48 hours on A&E on a regular basis? It's amazing how many people fess up or try to argue their way out of it, all they did was make the case stronger or wrap it up for them.. I would say 95 percent or higher admit it or say something to mess them up..
The few guys that never said a word, i would say at least half of them couldnt be charged with anything, because of the evidence. the others that were convicted, were convicted of a lesser charge, like manslaughter or something..
If that show doesn't prove that you shouldn't say one word to the police i dont know what will. Like a previous poster said, dont deny or admit, just tell them you have no idea what they are talking about and lawyer up.
Also, those homicide detectives lie like crazy, telling suspects that another suspect snitched when they really didnt or tell them that they have dna that will link them.. If they have dna, why tell the suspect.. the cops will act that you are doing yourself a favor by telling them what they want to hear.. It makes me sick when I hear them tell a suspect "If you tell us know, it will make it better on you in the long run' and when they leave the room they high five each other and charge their suspects with first degree murder, so how did admitting anything help?
Im sure thats what they do in every departments investigations..
I would fork out a few hundred bucks to get a lawyer retained and just refer any questions to him/her as you have done nothing wrong...
I have watched 48 hours. I love cop shows. But the story or interrogation they usually put them through is based upon the evidence (or circumstantial evidence). It's almost like talking with the devil (if you are familiar with Christian literature). They will mix lies with the truth to distort your perceptions. They will build a story BASED upon the evidence they have... but will fold several circumstances about what could/have/would/has happened just to watch your emotions and gauge how you react. That's their only base. Disprove the base evidence (I wasn't even expecting something in the mail) and ensure no other evidence is presentable (on computer or otherwise) and you are fine. Just clean house ASAP and you'll be fine. You are in the clear.
They may just chalk it up to one of those base drops that have been set up for people as prominent as the mayor in the U.S. (which he is recieveing an undisclosed settlement for over $3 mil now).
Your other option would be to walk in with a lawyer. They already presume your guilty at this point but you'll most likely get off because the lawyer will protect you and prove there is no evidence without a probable cause, presuming this is all they have called you in for.
From here you're on their watch list, although free to go. At this point you have no choice but to lay low. Don't order off of SR anymore. Consider Nick Nolte and Eddie Murphy in a van across your house just waiting for you to F' up for a week or two.
Also, my only opposition to Pine's, or others ideas of not responding at all. That will put you on an even closer watch list. So either way, you have to lay low.
You're choice...all ways are risky but if you follow any the above you will probably be safe from the cops this time...
Just my thoughts, don't want to step on anyone's toe's about saying lawyer up or don't respond...
Best of luck you you
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Damn, homeland security... Are you that much of a treat? dude lay low for awhile, don't do so much coke in d.r. shit is crazy over there.Try to cover your tracks at all times, I hope this should be a learning experience for you. Best wishes!
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As a generally polite person, I have a hard time swallowing the 'just say nothing, except 'May I call a lawyer please'" scenario when I play it out in my head, so here's a few things I thought of.
Be extremely polite, smiling, yes sir/no sir, relaxed.
Pretend it's a game, if you repeat the same things over and over again (lawyer please), then you win, at a minimum, 1000$ (just ballparking the cost of a decent lawyer to show up in court for you, based on the standard DUI rate I googled). At a maximum, you win a whole bunch of cash (less money spent on legal fees), and maybe even your freedom or your job/school.
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That's a pretty fucking compelling case to endure the pressure of saying 'lawyer please' to a few neck-vein-bulging cops who would like nothing more than to gouge your eyes out for your non-compliance.
It really helped watching the 'don't talk to cops' youtube videos, as well as the ones about how to handle a police stop/home visit, etc. There really is -zero- that you gain by talking about anything, and less than zero that you gain by being anything less than perfectly polite. I have a lot of respect for LE, and they are skilled at what they do- I on the other hand, have no idea of the mind games they can pull on me. Sorry, rambling... kittens.
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+1 for mentioning what is one of the last lines of defense the common man has against tyrannical government and unjust law. The problem is getting a juror who is both sympathetic and familiar with the concept.
Funny how judges don't want the jury to know it is their right to vote whatever way their conscience directs them, even going so far as to deliberately instruct them otherwise. Wouldn't want to be usurped of their authority in their own court, would they?
+100 for knowing what Jury Nullification actually is! :)
It's truly being "lost". Intentionally. :(
A "good" lawyer can ALWAYS "pick" a good jury. So that's truly not the issue. It's raising awareness.
I was lucky enough to have the chance to discuss the issue with Dennis Kucinich himself, who completely agreed, due to certain 'favors' I did for him. (NOT like THAT guttermind!) Though he "did" literally push his beautiful new wife at the time away to speak with me alone, lol. While running for president. :)
As far as informing jury's, most judges themselves either truly have their hands tied or have personal convictions.
I think experienced event promoters should organize FREE events, involving pro-legalization musicians like Cypress Hill, Snoop Dog, ect, speakers from Norml, (perhaps even Willie Nelson? Chong? Joe Rogan? Kucinich? Librerarians? Shulgin? Members off ALL pro-legalization organizations...the list goes on....who would all "posssibly" do it for free...considering the cause, yeah?
Some of us just have some past/current experience promoting/throwing (f.x.) non-profit regional/national BM/LLC and other realated events, ect. And I'm sure there are others here on SR involved in throwing events themselves, yes? With the expertise to fight for this cause. If they so chose? We intend to. When we can afford it. :)
All out side of courthouses. To raise attention. We feel this would be ideal to raise awareness....and get local TV/newspaper coverage.
Just some thoughts. :)
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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. I have a lot of respect for LE, and they are skilled at what they do-
Just out of curiosity do you also "respect" serial rapists, torturers and paid assassins?
Because the cops are precisely that (the first by proxy, the second and third in person).
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. I have a lot of respect for LE, and they are skilled at what they do-
Just out of curiosity do you also "respect" serial rapists, torturers and paid assassins?
Because the cops are precisely that (the first by proxy, the second and third in person).
Don't you ever think that the world would be A LOT worse off if all the cops disappeared? (as opposed to all the actual rapists, torturers, assassins...)
The problem isn't with the cops themselves, but the huge number of unjust laws they are sworn to enforce. Most, in my experience, are assholes, but isn't that what the job requires them to be?
There are many LEO working to promote decriminalization/legalization. For example, LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). A lot of guys really do join because they want to help people... It's always wrong to prejudge.
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The problem with police officers is they are no longer encouraged to protect and serve, but to find fault in the citizens of their jurisdiction and punish them. It is all about making arrests and trying to get the biggest bust, so they are automatically pegging you as a criminal instead as a person that they are supposed to be serving for in the best interest for that person.
I wish only Bhuddists could become police instead of arrogant redneck assholes that make it so I can't even enjoy where I live. I am forced to stay inside, because I get harassed almost everytime I go out for a walk and am seen by them, or they park and watch me to intimidate me.
Just had to put in my 2 cents about cops.
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The police are the enemies of the people...
They turn the Nuremberg defense into a lifestyle !
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A "good" lawyer can ALWAYS "pick" a good jury. So that's truly not the issue. It's raising awareness.
The Flipside Crew
Unfortunately, a skilled prosecutor is going to do his best to pick what he considers a "good" jury, too, so yes, awareness is absolutely key. I've always hoped to have the opportunity to sit as a juror in a major drug case just so I could exercise my right to nullify.
I think it's also unfair that jurors are not informed as to what kind of sentence a defendant is facing when they are deliberating... It's tied in directly to the very concept of a jury being able to vote against an unjust law. More often than not, sentencing for drug crimes exceed the maximum sentence for violent crimes. Perhaps if jurors realized that a defendant was facing 25 to life for a consentual, victimless crime, they'd think twice before rendering a guilty verdict.
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As soon as you say a word they have you.
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Yes i would think as long as you didn't sign for anything I would just keep my mouth shut. Whatever you do don't talk to them unless you absolutely are forced to. But your days of ordering through the mail are over you've been flagged....bummer! got any local hookups........cleaning the computer and house is also a good idea........I really can't believe that they waste so much time and money on stupid drug shit. WTF countries falling apart at the seams and this is how they use our resources.....everything you know is wrong?
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Unfortunately, a skilled prosecutor is going to do his best to pick what he considers a "good" jury, too, so yes, awareness is absolutely key. I've always hoped to have the opportunity to sit as a juror in a major drug case just so I could exercise my right to nullify.
I think it's also unfair that jurors are not informed as to what kind of sentence a defendant is facing when they are deliberating... It's tied in directly to the very concept of a jury being able to vote against an unjust law. More often than not, sentencing for drug crimes exceed the maximum sentence for violent crimes. Perhaps if jurors realized that a defendant was facing 25 to life for a consentual, victimless crime, they'd think twice before rendering a guilty verdict.
Agreed. However, a "serious" case would be felony, and therefore most likely have 12 jurors. Your lawyer and the prosecutor work together to pick jury's (as you know). Your lawyer (should) have a 6/12 chance of picking the ONE juror needed to nullify.
I'd take those odds over 25-life any day. Depending on my location. This will start to come into play soon I believe in MJ cases in states where the majority (and therefore (theoretically) the "majority" of jurors) support either decrimilization or voted for MMJ.
I've always wanted to sit on a jury too. Only been called once, MANY years ago. Did not get picked. :(
There are many sites online explaining how to increase your odds of being picked. Read up on them. Always show up for jury duty if requested. Exercise your rights, (maybe) "seriously" save someones ass, and raise awareness in the process. :)
Agreed as well with your other sentencing comments. Our legal system is FAR from perfecct, but I'd still rather be on trial for drug charges here than in many other countries.
Where it's just "off with your head", ya know?
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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Don't you ever think that the world would be A LOT worse off if all the cops disappeared? (as opposed to all the actual rapists, torturers, assassins...)
The problem isn't with the cops themselves, but the huge number of unjust laws they are sworn to enforce. Most, in my experience, are assholes, but isn't that what the job requires them to be?
There are many LEO working to promote decriminalization/legalization. For example, LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). A lot of guys really do join because they want to help people... It's always wrong to prejudge.
You may feel different when you watch a friend die cause a cancerous societal parasite threw them in a cage.
As it is.. please.. continue to fondle the organ of your oppression. I'm sure the fanservice will win you points when it's your turn to get sprayed, tased, caged and raped. Have a nice day.
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It's a very small order of 4 ecstacy pills... I live next to a high school so im going to say that someone posted it to me and was planning to pick it up before i got my post from my mailbox?
What the fuck!
Do not say ANYTHING. Retain a lawyer right away. If you can't afford one, then demand one.
Here's the only acceptable thing to say: "I'm sorry officer I don't know what you're talking about. If you are questioning me in regards to a crime, I want a lawyer present."
And if they attempt any search whatsoever: "I do not consent to any search at all."
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So will there ever be a follow up to this? I'm curious as to what our friend ended up doing.
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So if one finds themself in OP's situation, do you guys think it would be best to go in and deny everything, or simply not show and demand a lawyer if they come knocking again? Don't talk to the police sounds like the best advice to me no?
In the United States, if a cop is not arresting you, they have zero legal right to detain you. If you were walking down the street and a cop yelled "Stop walking, I want to talk to you!" you could, legally, keep walking and not even look at the pig.
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Shit bro. Sorry to hear it. Let us know what happens if you can/. Good luck.
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It depends if they are in a patrol car, because if they flick their lights and tel you to walk over to them then you have to, it is like getting pulled over while walking. Failing to do so will result in nothing positive.
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Don't you ever think that the world would be A LOT worse off if all the cops disappeared? (as opposed to all the actual rapists, torturers, assassins...)
The problem isn't with the cops themselves, but the huge number of unjust laws they are sworn to enforce. Most, in my experience, are assholes, but isn't that what the job requires them to be?
There are many LEO working to promote decriminalization/legalization. For example, LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). A lot of guys really do join because they want to help people... It's always wrong to prejudge.
You may feel different when you watch a friend die cause a cancerous societal parasite threw them in a cage.
As it is.. please.. continue to fondle the organ of your oppression. I'm sure the fanservice will win you points when it's your turn to get sprayed, tased, caged and raped. Have a nice day.
I've always been disrespected when I've had any contact with the police, The first few times tried to be friendly and there just assholes back. Never had any thing stolen recovered. And they seem to be in military mode! and lots of military toys like drones and stun grenades and depending on your skin color a death sentence for a minor altercation. Feel any safer...I don't. If your poor or black your world is different than others. How nice that must be
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I have always been treated poorly by cops too, and blatantly harrassed so many times where I eventual had to get a lawyer and file complaints to help curb it. I still don't go for walks and the last time I did I was stopped and searched and watched until they saw me enter my house, because it was night time and they said they check anyone who walks past dark lol
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Anyone who has never had a unpleasant encounter when they have had to deal with the police are either a facist themselves or just naturally submissive.
Theres no such thing as a "good" cop...what decent person would join an organisation like that, and if they did how long could they last.
Seriously next time you get a chance, ask a policemen how many ACTUAL rapists,murderers,pedos they have ever really caught, Most police struggle with a simple burglary. This is why they love arresting drug criminals, much easier to catch than your average ACTUAL danger to society.
Drug laws make dumb cops !
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I have always been treated poorly by cops too, and blatantly harrassed so many times where I eventual had to get a lawyer and file complaints to help curb it. I still don't go for walks and the last time I did I was stopped and searched and watched until they saw me enter my house, because it was night time and they said they check anyone who walks past dark lol
You dont have to say, but I bet you live in NYC. Nypd was the worst growing up. Thrown against the wall and searched for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! Made me a paranoid mutha to this day.
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It's 4 ecstacy pills that they have no evidence to pin on him. Do you really think they would keep him for HOURS over a few ecstacy pills? They've got bigger fish to fry.
OP, tell them this, "I didn't order anything, no knowledge whatsoever." If they turn up the heat tell them you want a lawyer. It doesn't immediately make you look sketchy just because you ask for a lawyer. Smart, knowledgeable and innocent do it almost immediately as a first response. A good lawyer will get you off in minutes as long as there's no evidence against you.
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I still don't go for walks and the last time I did I was stopped and searched and watched until they saw me enter my house, because it was night time and they said they check anyone who walks past dark lol
There's something interesting here to learn about human nature. It goes something like this:
Crime, at least of certain stripes, does not occur in the morning. Specifically, it does not occur between the times of 6AM and 12 noon. Let's call it the 'children of the night' hypothesis. In the morning, a young man slouch-walking to the shop for breakfast wearing a hoody, nobody notices him. But at 2AM, all that changes, and he's carefully watched or avoided on the streets.
Why? Beats me. There is no logical justification for the belief per say. But most people, including the police, instinctively appear to believe this. Perhaps it is even generally true. Perhaps young men are more likely to drink later in the day, become loud, brash and prone to violence. Maybe they also believe in this hypothesis in some way, because it is expected. But such examples of mass psychology give an arbitrage point to those who operate against the current. Anytime there is a difference between belief and truth, you can use it against your enemy. I think the Roman's typically attacked at dawn, maybe they knew people were more fearful then, slower to react.
One group of people who have clearly mastered this concept are the professional thieves, that is why the majority of burglaries occur in the morning or early afternoon. People's psychological defenses and perception of risk, apparently has some link to the the level of luminosity.
Think of it. More violent crime occurs in the summer because of the higher temperatures, yet because of the light levels in the northern hemisphere, people are more paranoid about it in the winter. You should then expect to see the opposite pattern emerging in the southern hemisphere (so, it is dangerous to average out your expectations here because it wouldn't reach the correct conclusion). Weird. I would wager good money you can also derive a fair approximate of a cities average crime rate by measuring the average distance between street lamps and their brightness.
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I have always been treated poorly by cops too, and blatantly harrassed so many times where I eventual had to get a lawyer and file complaints to help curb it. I still don't go for walks and the last time I did I was stopped and searched and watched until they saw me enter my house, because it was night time and they said they check anyone who walks past dark lol
You dont have to say, but I bet you live in NYC. Nypd was the worst growing up. Thrown against the wall and searched for NO REASON WHATSOEVER! Made me a paranoid mutha to this day.
+1 not very pleasant to get a pat down, with no given reason, in a public place
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A lot of anti-authoritarian sentiment being thrown around... It'd be interesting to have a member of the constabulary come on here and defend their position!!!
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A lot of anti-authoritarian sentiment being thrown around... It'd be interesting to have a member of the constabulary come on here and defend their position!!!
they only do that in packs, wearing armour and swinging a billy club !
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no offense, but are you a fucking retard. No offense meant to the retarded, but you have a constitutional right to remain silent. What in god's name would posses you to walk into a police station. If they knock on your door, they have nothing. Don't answer. If your walking to your car for work, and you are accosted by them, "no comment without my lawyer present". You ignore the "opportunity to clear your name", "do the right thing", or "help the booger eating morons of whatever". capiche ... piasane
Home games favor the home team.
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A lot of anti-authoritarian sentiment being thrown around... It'd be interesting to have a member of the constabulary come on here and defend their position!!!
they only do that in packs, wearing armour and swinging a billy club !
lols... then... ROFL!
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Criminal defense attorney James Duane gives a famous and impressive lecture on why you should NEVER tell cops ANYTHING - even if you are completely and fully innocent, EVEN IF you are a *lawyer yourself*.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
Highly educational!
I dont blame people for wanting to lie to cops. Neither do I blame them for fearing to appear like they're hiding something. But people are right - if the cops really had anything on you, they'd kick in your door and drag you to jail if for no other reason than to search your house while they're there.
It's important to realize however that cops deal with complete fucking morons all the time. So play just play dumb and scared of them (which any sane American would be) and REFUSE TO TELL THEM ANYTHING. That way you blend in with the noise. And for chrissake dont go down to the station for a voluntary interrogation. What are you trying to do, end up in jail?!
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How the hell did a pack with four freaking pills in it get intercepted?
thats what im thinking. how was it shipped, OP? and which vendor? 4 pills shouldnt have triggered any alarms in the usps...
bumping this... people went straight to giving legal advice without asking central questions first. im calling bullshit, unless by some freak chance, a usps worker stumbled upon those pills.
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Pine, I zctually wrote a paper on luminosity and crime. I used a particular city as an example. This city thought it could cut electric costs by turning off street lamps. Critics outcried claiming crime rates would increase. In the end, nothing actually happened to the crime rates and in some areas crime decreased.
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ONLY TALK THROUGH YOUR LAWYER YOU DUMB SHIT.
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Pine, I zctually wrote a paper on luminosity and crime. I used a particular city as an example. This city thought it could cut electric costs by turning off street lamps. Critics outcried claiming crime rates would increase. In the end, nothing actually happened to the crime rates and in some areas crime decreased.
LOL, that fits with my hypothesis that daylight has little to do with a reduction in crime or visa versa. I would however, have thought that the perception of crime would have influenced the perpetrators of it e.g. the broken window theory that LE has, so that removing street lamps would have given brash young men more confidence to mug people, simply because that's what everybody expected them to do. Perhaps in reality muggers like to see what they're doing in case they get mugged :D
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lol. hey come on in and arrest yourself and tell us everything.
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It's a very small order of 4 ecstacy pills... I live next to a high school so im going to say that someone posted it to me and was planning to pick it up before i got my post from my mailbox?
Nail in the coffin Bro. just act like it didnt happen and continue living dont go anywhere near them.
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Why would anyone take time out of their day to go speak to the police? It isnt mandatory. DONT GO and do something productive instead, ie. smoke methamphetamine and create macaroni necklaces. ;D
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I also feel (if this hasn't already been stated) that you should most likely never receive another package to that address ever again. Chances are you got a nosy postman, regardless cancel any future orders if you already haven't.
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So the cops discovered an order. They want me in for negotiation, is it safe to deny everything since i ordered it home and from SR. I could deny and make it look someone ordered to my adress?
Sorry mate i call 100% BULLSHIT,i can smell it oozing from my monitor,3posts in and its 'The cops want me in for questioning' This isnt the way they work man,they dont ASK they just COME and knock your door down if they think they've got anything on you.
Plus it would go through customs or the postal service 1st.
On the million to one this isnt bollocks either dont turn up to the police,let em get you,deny all knowledge and say you dont know ANYTHING,someone with a grudge against you has placed an order to your address,absolutely nothing to do with you,they'll have zero evidence or you'd be arrested already.And unless you've ordered a kilo just fuck em,sure they aint arsed about a gram of weed.
Again,i call BS
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Lawyer immediately and do NOT talk to the cops. Watch this video if you're unsure about that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
Story should be a complete stonewall, you didn't order anything, you don't know anything.
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Must u got locked up. Has'nt logged in 3 days. :'(