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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: trogdorn on April 25, 2012, 05:50 pm
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Hey everyone, new here at Silk Road and was wondering if shipping to Lebanon is safe and reliable. I've only read one post with a single success story posted in December of last year, so if there are any more out there, I'd appreciate if you could let us people in Lebanon know if it is indeed worth it.
If it is, then I'm also wondering if I could receive any helpful tips to make the whole process as anonymous as possible. I'm currently looking into washing my Bitcoins (is that necessary?) and for when I order, using an alias with an unconnected shipping address. Problem is I can't figure out where an ideal location would be. I was thinking of maybe paying some shop owner off to receive my package - but other than that I'm clueless. I don't want to have it shipped directly to my address given I currently reside in a hotel so, even if there were no problems, the hotel wouldn't believe that the package is actually meant for me.
As for the product I'm thinking of ordering, it'll probably be of the 2C family or LSD.
Any tips and suggestions would be welcome. And if there's anyone reading this with prior experience with shipping to, or ordering from Lebanon their feedback would be even better.
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LSD is at least 100 times harder to detect than something like cocaine. Some vendors don't even vaccum pack it as a result, and of course the package being sent can be extremely small.
Bitcoin is as anonymous as the methods used to purchase it or sell it. No more or less. If you're 100% sure it's impossible to trace how you obtained Bitcoin, then laundering isn't too useful. I would launder it anyway, for peace of mind. There is a definite co-relation between countries having high Muslim populations and draconian laws and the worst prisons, that's just how it is.
There are many methods that can be used to obtain post anonymously, but you should search the forum for those, there's all kinds of debate on this topic.
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Hey Pine, Im overstepping my IQ bounds in trying to take you up on this but I would argue that there is absolutely nothing safe about ordering from Lebanon, or for that matter, most any middle eastern country, maybe Dubai, Saudi, and some of the U.A.E countries.....but Lebanon, that's a death sentence, especially for something like LSD.
My conception (or misconception) is based a lot on the movie Incendies and the Lebanese governance didn't deal with matters like this lightly, especially if it was a woman who committed the crime. I think OP would be MUCH better off going outside the country somewhere for a few weeks , renting a room/staying with a friend in a country where it is less likely to get nabbed and then re-entering with the goods on hand. If its LSD that would be easy as hell to hide in a hiking pack if you know how to sew which oddly enough as a dude, I am damn well proud to say I do....pshhhh....haha, what do I know though. The middle east is known for moving more drugs than a chain owned pharmacy does over the course of ten years. I would imagine the customs would ahve no way of detecting it with dogs (cmon sniffer dogs trained for LSD in the Mid East? SMH) However, some package coming in from western origin would immediately be suspicious just because its Western. Forgive my stereotypes. I have nothing against the Mid East (at least lebanon) now Afghanistan is a whole other animal that I wont delve into....
best advice though would be to split your risk and get it shipped somewhere you know you can physically travel to and receive at, then re-enter with it in person, if you need help creating a way to package it in a backpack thats virtually undetectable I'd be happy to help, long as you can sew and get a solid frame style or large cap hiking bag, and this would play right in to your little two-three week trip outside the country for a hiking trip, even load an SD card with some nature pics from the area you go to, or better yet go for a few hikes while you await your blot.
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Not a good idea to order anything to Lebanon.
Here in the West we can at least say "what? I didn't order anything, what are you talking about?" - and they can't arrest you for it because they don't have any real proof.
In Lebanon, they'll just throw you into prison. And most Middle Eastern countries will do so.
I read a story about a guy, that had 0.01g of marijuana on the SOLE of his shoe, and he got put in prison in Dubai for 5 years until he was pardoned. It was on the SOLE of his shoe, he most likely picked it up from the floor - and even he got put into prison. If you can get jailed for that, are they really going to buy your story that you received a package with LSD in it but you know nothing about it? You might even get the shit kicked out of you by the thuggish police.
Don't risk it
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For most of its history I think Lebanon was quite westernized in comparison to the rest of the middle east and it remains so today, a sort of cultural melting pot between west and east. It was a very peaceful region up until the civil war anyhow. I'm sure OP knows more about it than we do anyway, he doesn't need to be told. It probably does have draconian drug laws, but the real question is whether it is capable of enforcing them. I mean, what would you call the USA's drug laws? Favorable? Mild? Take a look at them, you can get put in prison for six months/1 year for possession of a bong and the intention (thought crime) to smoke weed in some states. Who knows how often those state laws get enforced.
Lebanon is known for its unique efforts in the Middle East to guarantee civil rights and freedom to its citizens, ranking first in the Middle East and 26th worldwide (out of 66 countries) in the The World Justice Project's Rule of Law Index 2011
i.e. maybe they're not such a bunch of swinging dicks after all. I wonder where the United States comes in that list, eh?
Anyway if he posted here, then he is already aware of the risk that might be peculiar to his geographic area. SR is certainly the safest way he can get something like LSD. I recommended LSD because it's so much more difficult to detect. Also very easy to hide.
More importantly, if we get enough Lebanese buyers, we'll get Lebanese vendors and then I can get some cool new stamps. Maybe even pine trees.
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Thanks a lot for the replies.
Lebanon is quite different from countries such as Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait and other Muslim countries. Although their legal system is far from perfect and not free of corruption, the penalties are nowhere as harsh as those of the countries previously listed.
Last year, my friend was caught with roughly 50 grams of hash by the Lebanese police and all they did was inform the school he was attending about his actions. The school itself didn't do anything either, but later had him expelled for having smoked a cigarette in his room. When my friend was pulled out of his hotel room they merely took him to an office for only thirty minutes of interrogation after which he was released and never heard from them again.
I do have connections here in Lebanon as well as western citizenship so I'm quite sure, if worst came to worst, that I wouldn't be thrown in the infamously overcrowded prisons. I'm not sure if plausible deniability would work here in Lebanon either, but they do require warrants for a lawful search.
With all of that aside, I still haven't ordered or made my final decision. This is mainly because I'm hesitant on using my real name, as most people and guides suggest, but I want to strictly maintain anonymity. I haven't found any ideal alternatives on how to anonymously receive a package, besides paying off a vendor as I previously posted. Any suggestions would be nice : ). If I'm being overly cautious and using my real name isn't a big deal (if I choose a responsible vendor), please feel free to enlighten me lol. I'm currently looking at buying a rather small amount (3 tabs) from Diogenes.
Is anyone aware of any cases where someone here on SR has been busted for minor quantities of LSD? I'd like to have a rough idea of what the success rate is for shipping/receiving LSD.
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I have travelled to Lebanon a couple times for vacation because I have a friend who's originally from there.
It's actually a pretty nice place so different from what you hear/see in the news,
Them folks sure know how to drink and party all night long hehe.
We could easily get hash, but it wasn't as good the Lebanese shit from the 90's.
Good weed was a lot more difficult to find, and the best I bought can't be compared to medicinal bud I buy here on SR.
So when I got back to my country, I sent 5g of weed to my friend in a package nicely hidden in a toy and 3 nice dutch pills between paper in an enveloppe.
2 months later both packages still hasn't arrived and me and my friend start getting worried.
What do you know, on a beautiful Friday 6 LE agents kick his door down and take him to an interrogation room and then to prison before his family could get him a lawyer and get him out. People who have "connections" bribe them and my friend was fortunate to have an uncle in the army who got him out.
I felt so bad about, like I couldn't fucking believe what the fuck happened.
All this fucking drama over some pot and 3 pills.
I have no clue about their postal services, but busting pills in a flat envelope is not an easy thing to do in my opinion. And the weed was in a small toy!
Maybe they just fucking x-ray everything.
Good thing my friend is a cool buddy of mine and told me he had no hard feelings because it didn't occur to him that this might happen and he would have done the same.
TL/DR: While shipping LSD might be considered "safer" since it's a piece of paper, I would not consider shipping ANY other drugs because their postal inspectors are fucking assholes.
I'd rather get what I can locally than go to prison..
Just my 2 cents
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With all of that aside, I still haven't ordered or made my final decision. This is mainly because I'm hesitant on using my real name, as most people and guides suggest, but I want to strictly maintain anonymity. I haven't found any ideal alternatives on how to anonymously receive a package, besides paying off a vendor as I previously posted. Any suggestions would be nice : ). If I'm being overly cautious and using my real name isn't a big deal (if I choose a responsible vendor), please feel free to enlighten me lol. I'm currently looking at buying a rather small amount (3 tabs) from Diogenes.
There's actually lots of ways, search the forum. My favorites are the pigeon holes at shared accommodation (search my posts for "pigeon holes" to check out my tutorial on it), and using virtual offices mail holding or mail forwarding services (you can take great liberties with your 'name field' because you could be a company etc, and go pick-up your package from this service). Don't know if you have virtual offices in Lebanon, but look into it. I avoid P.O boxes myself. I think they're as suspect as fuck. Besides, you must give ID, which isn't the case with some virtual offices. Plus, that you can remotely operate your virtual office from cyberspace is an enormous plus in terms of security (use Lebanese proxy, and if you don't know how, then learn, it's easy). I've even seen some which offer a webcam of the box you receive stuff into.
The most useful tips are actually very circumstantial, very specific and local e.g. posting to recently abandoned houses in your neighborhood, which makes it very difficult to make universal advice without sounding extremely general, like one of those useless 'How to become a trained assassin in 9 days' Paladin books.
Is anyone aware of any cases where someone here on SR has been busted for minor quantities of LSD? I'd like to have a rough idea of what the success rate is for shipping/receiving LSD.
Suggest using the forum's search function for the first question. But I think the answer is no. I haven't heard of a buyer being busted for receiving LSD. Of course, caveat emptor! Check it out.
It's very difficult to get statistics for something as specific as the delivery success rate for LSD to any one particular country for obvious reasons.
However, we do know one thing. The global delivery success rate, for all countries, domestic and international, for all drugs being transported by all kinds of vendors, is 97.51%. That was from a sample of 1000 deliveries and appears to be a stable average. There are differences between countries, the product shipped and the vendor in question obviously, but that's the big picture number for you.
That DSR does not mean that 2.49% of deliveries were intercepted by law enforcement. That figure is a fraction of that in turn because:
- lost post
- stolen post
- buyer did receive package, but didn't want to pay up
- buyer gave malformed address so the package was undeliverable (happens quite often...)
etc.
An educated guess would be that for all countries and drugs, 1 in 100 packages is seized by customs.
If you chose the right vendor, the right drug and use domestic vendors, an educated guess would be that the true interception rate is closer to 1 in 1000 per delivery. This is because there are certain patterns to people getting their package seized i.e. 1 dumb vendor might use fling weed into a ziplock bag, not use gloves etc, because he's a moron. A person like that throws off the median numbers. But the sophisticated vendor is light years away from that image, he has a packaging staging area and operates as if he were working inside a cleanroom.
Obviously, if you order hundreds of packages, one of them is eventually going to get seized. I'm not claiming it doesn't happen. I am stating that it's a pretty tiny probability if you use your head, because that's a fact.
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I have no clue about their postal services, but busting pills in a flat envelope is not an easy thing to do in my opinion. And the weed was in a small toy!
Protip: don't post from Israel...
But joking aside, there's two possibilities I can think of for how it might have occurred.
If this was pre-SR and you didn't vacuum pack your toy in triplicate then weed is easy to pick up. It has a pungent odor to even the human nose, let alone a dog, and this is hot climate so the odor particles travel faster.
With shipping pills in a envelope, do you mean a literal paper envelope or a small packet? Because the machines for sorting mail will crush the paper envelope in their rollers, it is only expecting paper. That might either gum up the machine if it's old, or else it would make the active ingredient of a pill far more likely to be detected by dogs or ion spectrometry.
btw OP: I don't advise shipping weed to Lebanon! Check if there's any good vendors from Turkey and your surrounding border countries other than Israel (the machines used to detect drugs are dual purpose for both drugs and bombs, so the machine for detecting letter bombs will detect drugs even if that's not the main reason for it to be there). I say that because a local vendor in your geographical region is more likely to know the local caveats.
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