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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: 420greenery on April 25, 2012, 05:21 pm
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I had a question about the PO boxes. I have been using a friends dorm mail for deliveries but am looking to increase from 1-2 up to ~4 small flat rate/week min. Should I get a size 4 or 5 box for receiving a medium flat rate or multiple small flat rates at a time?
I have found a good fake ID site but my question is does anyone know if they check the license # or anything other than how it looks? It is PVC(DMV material) w/ hologram and UV w/ working barcode so all is legit I just need to know if they check a database before I go get myself arrested.
On another note has anyone heard of a PO box controlled delivery? I was planning on having one of my accomplices wait across the street at a gas station w/ binoculars(parking lots small enough to see it all) to keep an eye on the entrance(my exit) door at a post office that's next to a ton of rural area so I could dip into a field and drop tear gas(safest emergency method imo)/smoke bomb to make a safe getaway to my 2nd accomplice that would be waiting a block or two away.
*I KNOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE EXTREME MACGYVER SHIT BUT TWO OF US HAVE BEEN TO JAIL AND WE WONT RISK GOING BACK, PLANS ARE ALREADY SET IN DETAIL ON A MAP*
It will be my girlfriends picture for the box and in her(fake) name so they wouldn't even think a male was the box owner IF they did a controlled delivery and were looking for the person on the fake ID we use. And they couldn't question her with fake information.
And no I wouldn't be paying two people $100/pickup to make picking up mids easier. This is for $1500+ profit/pickup and making it happen safely(as possible).
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If it's a $1500+ pickup, I wouldn't even risk the possibility of your fake ID not being accepted.
Just pay a clean friend 60 bucks a package. Once he gets it, tell him to write "return to sender" on it and keep it at his house for a few days. Then it'd be safe to pick up.
I'm pretty sure PO boxes don't have controlled deliveries lol, how would that even work!?
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If it's a $1500+ pickup, I wouldn't even risk the possibility of your fake ID not being accepted.
Just pay a clean friend 60 bucks a package. Once he gets it, tell him to write "return to sender" on it and keep it at his house for a few days. Then it'd be safe to pick up.
I'm pretty sure PO boxes don't have controlled deliveries lol, how would that even work!?
Oh believe me they do! If LE intercepts one of your packages with a bulk amount you better believe they're going to wait outside the mail center for you to walk out with the package(s) on hand and then they follow you to your super secret hideout where you keep all your other awesome drugs. The best way would be to open a box that offers 24 hour access and then just go at sporadic times but obviously always check to see if anyone suspicious is waiting outside the place. I mean if you're going in at 6am and you see a car parked out with two guys then you know to just keep on walking over to the donut shop next door.
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If it's a $1500+ pickup, I wouldn't even risk the possibility of your fake ID not being accepted.
Just pay a clean friend 60 bucks a package. Once he gets it, tell him to write "return to sender" on it and keep it at his house for a few days. Then it'd be safe to pick up.
I'm pretty sure PO boxes don't have controlled deliveries lol, how would that even work!?
Oh believe me they do! If LE intercepts one of your packages with a bulk amount you better believe they're going to wait outside the mail center for you to walk out with the package(s) on hand and then they follow you to your super secret hideout where you keep all your other awesome drugs. The best way would be to open a box that offers 24 hour access and then just go at sporadic times but obviously always check to see if anyone suspicious is waiting outside the place. I mean if you're going in at 6am and you see a car parked out with two guys then you know to just keep on walking over to the donut shop next door.
Hmm... maybe you could also just not pick up your package for a few days or a week. I know LE doesn't have the resources to stake out for that long... right?
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It will be expensive for them to do manned surveillance for so long, they might put a tracking device inside the package though or a device that alerts them when the pack is moved so they can send the nearest patrol car there ASAP
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I have heard of people using an arduino with a light sensor and blue tooth and battery included in their packages. If the light sensor detects light then it will stop broadcasting the bluetooth network name. If the light sensor does not detect any light the device will continue to broadcast a network name. You can get close to the PO, and see if that network name is still being broadcasted. If so you know the package was never opened. If you do not detect the bluetooth signal then it isn't safe to retrieve. This will combat against controlled deliveries.
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If it's a $1500+ pickup, I wouldn't even risk the possibility of your fake ID not being accepted.
Just pay a clean friend 60 bucks a package. Once he gets it, tell him to write "return to sender" on it and keep it at his house for a few days. Then it'd be safe to pick up.
I'm pretty sure PO boxes don't have controlled deliveries lol, how would that even work!?
Oh believe me they do! If LE intercepts one of your packages with a bulk amount you better believe they're going to wait outside the mail center for you to walk out with the package(s) on hand and then they follow you to your super secret hideout where you keep all your other awesome drugs. The best way would be to open a box that offers 24 hour access and then just go at sporadic times but obviously always check to see if anyone suspicious is waiting outside the place. I mean if you're going in at 6am and you see a car parked out with two guys then you know to just keep on walking over to the donut shop next door.
Hmm... maybe you could also just not pick up your package for a few days or a week. I know LE doesn't have the resources to stake out for that long... right?
That's what I'm currently doing, if you're paranoid just wait an extra week your package isn't going anywhere. In case your packages are bugged there are bags online that you can buy that will fry an type of electronic but the name escapes me, pine was talking about them. You can also grab your package and quickly drive to a parking structure and then open the package and take just your product out in case there is a tracking device. I mean there are plenty of ways of doing it, if you have a friend you can meet up at a fast food place and toss him the products inside of the bathroom so even if LE were following you, they'd be wasting their time ;)
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Just realized that there are errand services that will pickup mail from a po box for me whenever I want without any information aside from a track phone and the prepaid card I use with them. Not to mention I can pick a non sketchy place for them to deliver me my package. If they are longer than the half hour they're supposed to be then I know they got caught up and I know to never use that service again.
Oh I feel terrible but at the same time not? Will probably have them meet me at a park or somewhere uncrowded and I can tell if they have an unmarked car with them or not.
Thanks for everyone's input!
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1. Look into virtual offices. They are unregulated, don't request ID in most cases. Also often cheaper to open/close all the time. Much much better than P.O. Boxes. Also the set of virtual offices is infinitely larger than the number of P.O Boxes.
2. For the potential of a tracking device in a package. Put your item into a Faraday Bag. Google this to research. It's based on the Faraday Cage discovery, where a container can completely inhibit radio/microwaves etc. You can use your mobile/laptop etc so you know it works. Pop them in and then call the phone or send a msg to the laptop via instant message. Pass the item's package onto somebody else or leave it on a moving vehicle and put the contents of package into a new package you brought along.
3. Wear sunglasses (wraparound mirror sunglasses are the best according to the whitepapers) to avoid image recognition systems used with CCTV. Don't use the same mail box service over and over, whether virtual office or P.O box. If your photo is in the local LE database, and they have CCTV stills, you should assume they'll run pattern matching utility. While hardly perfect, it narrows the field and the algorithms get better over time. But a hat + sunglasses baffles any computer or human you met momentarily once (imagine everybody you meet en route is behind some one way mirror staring at a line-up tomorrow. What do they see?). I swear I sometimes don't recognize myself when I take off sunglasses + hat.
4. On a operation like this, I wouldn't involve more people than me. I don't understand why people who deal weed simultaneously have the lowest margins and the highest turnover of employees. You're closer to Farmer Bob than Scarface, keep an eye on that bottom line! Assets - Liabilities = Net Profit. I hate making hypothetical profits, don't you? If somebody works for me, they either don't even know they're working for me, or else they are paid a % of my profits on a continual basis. That is the best way to prevent informants. It also keeps a rein on your employment costs, since you really really don't want to give away more capital. Different from throwing cash at the problem.
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1. Look into virtual offices. They are unregulated, don't request ID in most cases. Also often cheaper to open/close all the time. Much much better than P.O. Boxes. Also the set of virtual offices is infinitely larger than the number of P.O Boxes.
2. For the potential of a tracking device in a package. Put your item into a Faraday Bag. Google this to research. It's based on the Faraday Cage discovery, where a container can completely inhibit radio/microwaves etc. You can use your mobile/laptop etc so you know it works. Pop them in and then call the phone or send a msg to the laptop via instant message. Pass the item's package onto somebody else or leave it on a moving vehicle and put the contents of package into a new package you brought along.
3. Wear sunglasses (wraparound mirror sunglasses are the best according to the whitepapers) to avoid image recognition systems used with CCTV. Don't use the same mail box service over and over, whether virtual office or P.O box. If your photo is in the local LE database, and they have CCTV stills, you should assume they'll run pattern matching utility. While hardly perfect, it narrows the field and the algorithms get better over time. But a hat + sunglasses baffles any computer or human you met momentarily once (imagine everybody you meet en route is behind some one way mirror staring at a line-up tomorrow. What do they see?). I swear I sometimes don't recognize myself when I take off sunglasses + hat.
4. On a operation like this, I wouldn't involve more people than me. I don't understand why people who deal weed simultaneously have the lowest margins and the highest turnover of employees. You're closer to Farmer Bob than Scarface, keep an eye on that bottom line! Assets - Liabilities = Net Profit. I hate making hypothetical profits, don't you? If somebody works for me, they either don't even know they're working for me, or else they are paid a % of my profits on a continual basis. That is the best way to prevent informants. It also keeps a rein on your employment costs, since you really really don't want to give away more capital. Different from throwing cash at the problem.
I have found good-high sensitivity 50mhz - 3ghz RF detectors to check packages before pickup but I figure a faraday bag would take care of that problem whether there was one or not so thanks for that tip!
As for the Virtual Office and sunglasses, the only time a face of ours would be shown is for signup before any packages are received. Any pickup from that box thereafter would be by an errand service[prepaid cc, track #, no license plates] whom I would be meeting at a park or port for an easy exit. Even if such extreme measures were taken it couldn't be done in a matter of 30minutes. To arrest the courier, get a story, unarrest and plan a setup within the half hour time frame I booked them for, I wouldn't show up to meet because I would obviously know they were caught up.
ALSO do you knowif the virtual office will hold packages or whether or not they will put them in your box if space permits(I'd be going for the biggest in this category)?
Last but not least I know that many dealers make jack dick but I don't deal to consumers, only dealers I know and have known for some time. 1500+/week isn't farmer money imo
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I have found good-high sensitivity 50mhz - 3ghz RF detectors to check packages before pickup but I figure a faraday bag would take care of that problem whether there was one or not so thanks for that tip!
It's no problem. Keep those sensors around in any case. I'd prefer to know I'm under surveillance than let the Faraday bag make me think I'm untouchable. Sensors are imperfect, but it's better than nothing.
As for the Virtual Office and sunglasses, the only time a face of ours would be shown is for signup before any packages are received. Any pickup from that box thereafter would be by an errand service[prepaid cc, track #, no license plates] whom I would be meeting at a park or port for an easy exit. Even if such extreme measures were taken it couldn't be done in a matter of 30minutes. To arrest the courier, get a story, unarrest and plan a setup within the half hour time frame I booked them for, I wouldn't show up to meet because I would obviously know they were caught up.
You're being a wee bit Mr James Bond here. That courier operates a legal service, and will find this a bit weird. He's used to keeping up packages and putting them places. People's houses or businesses. Not into waiting vans in the middle of a deserted carpark! Who seriously sends couriers to meet people people wearing dark glasses and hats in parks?! Feels weird to me, it will to him too. Meeting you should be totally unmemorable. You should be super boring and wear a crappy business suit. That in combination with the virtual office he's picked up the package from, makes perfect sense to Mr Courier. You're just another clown trying to start a business and look respectable without having the money to really pay for it. He meets 1000s of you a day. That's perfect.
You ought to be next to a door when he gives you the package. Any door at all, ideally coming out of one that doesn't have occupants behind it. Ah, my package has arrived. Please sign here sir. kthxbye.
ALSO do you know if the virtual office will hold packages or whether or not they will put them in your box if space permits(I'd be going for the biggest in this category)?
All those things depend entirely on your virtual office provider's solutions. Read the fine print on the websites for them. Everything can be setup remotely, you never need to actually visit them unless you're picking up packages. Some vendors offer 24 hour walk-in and collect your package from a pigeon-hole for which you've the code. Your results may vary.
Last but not least I know that many dealers make jack dick but I don't deal to consumers, only dealers I know and have known for some time. 1500+/week isn't farmer money imo
It depends on how you look at it. Please don't be insulted by my analogy, this is not a personal attack on your business model, which if it is making profits at all is still an order of magnitude superior to the majority of street dealers and even many distributors (lifestyle reasons...). From what you've told us you're making about the same as an average western professional does, maybe a little more. In your neighborhood, that could be serious cash, or it could be chump change, it depends where you live. Of course, you don't pay taxes, so that's a huge advantage right there. Then again, the risk is the opportunity cost of getting put in prison and being unable to work properly. ~Ten years inside, that's like 700,000 lost profits. So you need to make at least that (and keep it) just to break even in risk-adjusted terms.
My policy is to attain risk-adjusted profits. I mean, at the end of the day, the business is supposed to be working for you, rather than the other way around. The key thing is turnaround time, how long it takes you to reinvest capital back into the black market or legitimate enterprise. It absolutely staggers me how many people don't do this or take it seriously. I know some who do, but I get a powerfully distinct impression most do not. I think this is because they're afraid all their stuff will get taken all at once by LE. That's a reasonable fear, but there's many ways to accumulate wealth that LE cannot abscond with. Take cash for example. Even if you (intelligently, but naively) squirrel away lots of cash some place, if you get out of prison in 10 years it'd have lost half it's value to inflation! It should have been in a commodity like gold or silver to hedge inflation, or better yet, merrily compounding away in some business unconnected to your person.
If anybody's interested in reading a short but very interesting entry level introduction to accumulating wealth (no get-rich-quick-bullshit, I abhor those books), then pick up a copy of 'The Richest Man in Babylon'.
Anyway, sorry, this is bit OT I know. You wanted to know how to pickup MJ, not reorder your entire business :D
Next stop, pine's black market business and finance consultancy services.