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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: 34tuforlunch on April 25, 2012, 09:41 am
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So today a bunch of me and my friends were prank calling escorts from cl and backpage. We were calling ones mostly from are middle of no where country town and the % of asians here is honestly like 1% or less. But for some reason like 60% of the escorts on backpage are asians. They dont use real pics they steal model pics you can find all over the web with a reverse image search. Also the different escorts all have the same generic message and different escorts use the same phone number which all have some creepy guy answering the phone. The 14k have a known presence in are small town they open a lot of grows in farm houses because its safer than growing in the city. If a few high school stoners can figure this out you would think the police would be able to also?
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mate - do not underestimate the enemy.
all i've got to say on the subject
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Some cops are dumb but there are many professionals working for the police who are not dumb by any measure. Getting cocky about being more clever than the police is a fast track to prison. Prison is full of people who thought they were clever.
NEVER give cops an attitude.
Cops will spend years infiltrating drug circles. Look at some of the big busts and you will see that some sophisticated police work goes into it. Mostly its just dealers getting arrogant.
As for Asians, its the same in the UK with Vietnamese, Laos and Chinese all growing weed. But there are gangs who target homes growing and in some parts of the UK the Asian gangs pulled out as they were just too obvious plus local gangs all want a piece of the action. The Asian gangs had poor illegal immigrants living in the kitchens. Every room was used for growing. If someone Asian moves in my area they will be visited 8-10 weeks later. I'd rent out houses if I had some - and it would be easy to give the tenants a choice of 50% to the landlord or call the cops.
The cops know that there are hundreds of thousands of little grows.
Some cops develop an instinct and can sniff out a drug dealer pretty easily. Plus the police are using technology to scan number plates and car tax. there are a million excuses to pull up motorists and for non traffic cops its just a lucky dip as they nose about looking for anything naughty. We will have roadside drug tests next. Bad for potheads as we have the drug in our system at detection levels for 28 days or so.
The cops will try to bring this place down but mainly I guess they would target dealers who leave too many clues and go for the odd big shipment which they could track and visit. Its difficult no doubt but easy for cops to simply message each dealer and try to pay in a manner which can be traced. There is an element of luck in all dealing. We have to be lucky all the time and the cops only need to get lucky once.
To be honest there are so many dealers on the clearnet that places like this that keep out of the public eye are likely seen by most cops as discreet.
Boasting about your criminal prowess will merely get the interest of some cop who likes a challenge.
The cops are not stupid.
The law is stupid.
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Cops are just a subset of the population. Like in the rest of us, most are incompetent idiots, many are of average intelligence and a few are extremely good at what they do.
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Topic: Cops are dumb
Topic: Cops are DICKS
FTFY
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B/W cops = the cities security guards
Go higher up the food chain and you'll be surprised.
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Like Mr XXX says in Layer Cake: "Only the very stupid think the police are stupid."
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Meh, some cops are retards, but most are just lying assholes.
But, the further up the ladder you go, the higher the iq seems to get.
Don't get me wrong, they're all stupid to some extent, for many reasons. One of which being "Drugs are all bad and evil and produced by Satan....unless it's me doing them."
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Cops are just a subset of the population. Like in the rest of us, most are incompetent idiots, many are of average intelligence and a few are extremely good at what they do.
hell low level police agencies wont hire people who are very smart
blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/too-smart-to-be-a-good-cop/
and the higher level police agencies can't compete with the pay rates that corporations will offer to smart people, so in many areas they get the below average people too, especially in their technical departments. Intelligence agencies suck up the real talent, who wants to do undercover operations to bust Joe blow getting his dick sucked by Susie Ho if they can be part of an undercover spy ring and get paid more :P .
Of course there are some exceptions, but the police are not a randomly selected subset of the population, they lean towards the dumber end.
edit: Huh that article says cops average IQ is 104 so I guess on average they are actually mildly above average
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Cops are just a subset of the population. Like in the rest of us, most are incompetent idiots, many are of average intelligence and a few are extremely good at what they do.
Most cops are of below average intelligence actually, hell low level police agencies wont hire people who are very smart
blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/too-smart-to-be-a-good-cop/
and the higher level police agencies can't compete with the pay rates that corporations will offer to smart people, so in many areas they get the below average people too, especially in their technical departments. Intelligence agencies suck up the real talent, who wants to do undercover operations to bust Joe blow getting his dick sucked by Susie Ho if they can be part of an undercover spy ring and get paid more :P .
Of course there are some exceptions, but the police are not a randomly selected subset of the population, they lean towards the dumber end.
Hmmm I still wouldn't get complacent. They always have the upper hand, even if you think they are stupid, they still have the power.
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I was wrong anyway that article says on average police IQ is 104 , I thought it was in the high 90s
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I was wrong anyway that article says on average police IQ is 104 , I thought it was in the high 90s
So they're not full retard, but more like half retard?
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Wait! You are prank calling escorts and the cops are the dumb ones?
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> Cops are dumb.
So are most criminals my dear.
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I was wrong anyway that article says on average police IQ is 104 , I thought it was in the high 90s
An average IQ is pretty fucking dumb, IMO. I didn't read the article, but does it make a distinction between street cops and not?
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> Cops are dumb.
So are most criminals my dear.
so are people who say shit like "my dear" to sound condescending.
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> Cops are dumb.
So are most criminals my dear.
so are people who say shit like "my dear" to sound condescending.
Quite so, milord.
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@ OP- The cops know who is commercially growing usually, its being able to prove it that really matters. They dont want to just go willy nilly and lose a conviction.
The average IQ is 100, that includes all the retards out there. Of the average "working public" I would say the average should go up a standard deviation to around 115.
But IQ is not the end all be all. The cops have a very huge war chest that helps them out.
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Quite so, milord.
'Scuse me, my lady, I must request that you immediately cease and desist all such rabble rousing.
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Quite so, milord.
'Scuse me, my lady, I must request that you immediately cease and desist all such rabble rousing.
LOL, sorry Mister Dank.
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Lol the last few posts were funny as.
Back to the original point of the thread though, clearly rozzers aren't dumb....otherwise why would we have to be so careful? Individual ones maybe yeah but as a whole....they are smart as fuck.
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I wouldn't say they're dumb so much as amoral. When someone chooses to become a police officer they adopt a duty to uphold the laws by force, every law in all circumstances. They voluntarily surrender moral authority to the lawmakers as they are no longer capable of acting according to their personal moral consciences but rather are bound by their civic duty to act always in accordance with the law. If they feel a disparity between their own conscience and the dictation of the law, they have no choice but to betray their personal morality and enforce the arbitrary moral legislation of the state. They are either completely proud of every thing they have ever done in their entire career as an officer and have no involuntary objection to any aspect of the law because they agree with it totally (I imagine quite rare), or they live constantly with guilt and become machines operating on behalf of the faceless power that is the state. If they feel no guilt they would be amoral and thus the perfect tools to mandate an arbitrary moral order, positive law in a liberal democratic society.
"Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice. A common and natural result of an undue respect for law is, that you may see a file of soldiers, colonel, captain, corporal, privates, powder-monkeys,7 and all, marching in admirable order over hill and dale to the wars, against their wills, aye, against their common sense and consciences, which makes it very steep marching indeed, and produces a palpitation of the heart. They have no doubt that it is a damnable
business in which they are concerned; they are all peaceably inclined. Now, what are they? Men at all?"
Henry David Thoreau
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I agree individually on average cops are pretty dumb, but collectively they are pretty damn smart especially with all the information and technology on their side not to mention the law.
It isn't the one cop you need to worry about, but the team of them that are monitoring your every move to make a case on you.
A few a smart by themselves, but usually they aren't on the street patrolling and get higher positions like Chief of Police or something.
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Cops are just a subset of the population. Like in the rest of us, most are incompetent idiots, many are of average intelligence and a few are extremely good at what they do.
Word. There are many idiots, but there are serious professionals out there that live and breath their self-righteousness. Don't think for a min. because a few small town cops are easily mastered that the big dogs in the alphabet mafia (FBI, DEA, ATF, CIA, etc.) are on the same level.
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the alphabet mafia (FBI, DEA, ATF, CIA, etc.)
Cool terminology dude. Like it! :D
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Some Myths about the Police.
#1 The police exercise legitimate authority.
The average police officer is not a legal expert; he probably knows his department protocol, but very little about the actual laws. This means his enforcement involves a great deal of bluffing, improvisation, and dishonesty. Police lie on a regular basis: “I just got a report of someone of your description committing a crime around here. Want to show me some ID?”
This is not to say we should unthinkingly accept laws as legitimate, either. The entire judicial system protects the privileges of the wealthy and powerful. Obeying laws is not necessarily morally right—it may even be immoral. Slavery was legal, aiding escaped slaves illegal. The Nazis came to power in Germany via democratic elections and passed laws through the prescribed channels. We should aspire to the strength of conscience to do what we know is best, regardless of laws and police intimidation.
#2 The police are ordinary workers just like us; they should be our allies
. Unfortunately, there’s a big gap between “should be” and “are.” The role of the police is to serve the interests of the ruling class; anyone who has not had a bad experience with them is likely privileged, submissive, or both. Today’s police officers know exactly what they’re getting into when they join the force—people in uniform don’t just get cats out of trees. Yes, most take the job because of economic pressure, but needing a paycheck is no excuse for evicting families, harassing young people of color, or pepper-spraying demonstrators. Those whose consciences can be bought are everyone’s potential enemies, not allies.
This fairy tale is more persuasive when it is couched in strategic terms: for example, “Every revolution succeeds at the moment the armed forces refuse to make war on their fellows; therefore we should focus on seducing the police to our side.” But the police are not just any workers; they’re the ones who chose to base their livelihoods upon defending the prevailing order, thus the least likely to be sympathetic to those who wish to change it. In this context, it makes more sense to oppose the police as such than to seek solidarity with them. As long as they serve their masters, they cannot be our allies; by denouncing the institution of police and demoralizing individual officers, we can encourage them to seek other livelihoods so we can one day find common cause with them.
#3 Maybe there are some bad apples, but some police officers are good people.
Perhaps some police officers have good intentions, but once again, insofar as they obey orders rather than their consciences, they cannot be trusted.
There’s something to be said for understanding the systematic nature of institutions, rather than attributing every injustice to the shortcomings of individuals. Remember the story of the man who, tormented by fleas, managed to catch one between his fingers? He scrutinized it for a long time before placing it back at the spot on his neck where had he caught it. His friends, confounded, inquired why on earth he would do such a thing. “That wasn’t the one that was biting me,” he explained.
#4 Police can win any confrontation, so we shouldn’t antagonize them
With all their weapons, equipment, and surveillance, the police can seem invincible, but this is an illusion. They are limited by all sorts of invisible constraints—bureaucracy, public opinion, communication breakdowns, an overloaded judicial system. If they don’t have vehicles or facilities available to transport and process a great number of arrestees, for example, they can’t make mass arrests.
This is why a motley crowd armed only with the tear gas canisters shot at them can hold off a larger, more organized, better-equipped police force; contests between social unrest and military might don’t play out according to the rules of military engagement. Those who have studied police, who can predict what they are prepared for and what they can and cannot do, can often outsmart and outmaneuver them.
Such small victories are especially inspiring for those who chafe under the heel of police violence on a daily basis. In the collective unconscious of our society, the police are the ultimate bastion of reality, the force that ensures that things stay the way they are; taking them on and winning, however temporarily, shows that reality is negotiable.
#5 We need police to protect us
According to this line of thinking, even if we might aspire to live in a society without police in the distant future, we need them today, for people are not ready to live together peacefully without armed enforcers. As if the social imbalances and fear maintained by police violence are peace! Those who argue that the police sometimes do good things bear the burden of proving that those same good things could not be accomplished at least as well by other means.
In any case, it’s not as if a police-free society is suddenly going to appear overnight just because someone spray-paints “Fuck the Police” on a wall. The protracted struggle it will take to free our communities from police repression will probably go on as long as it takes us to learn to coexist peacefully; a community that can’t sort out its own conflicts can’t expect to triumph against a more powerful occupying force. In the meantime, opposition to police should be seen as a rejection of one of the most egregious sources of oppressive violence, not an assertion that without police there would be none. But if we can ever defeat and disband the police, we will surely be able to defend ourselves against less organized threats.
#6 Resisting the police is violent—it makes you no better than them
According to this line of thinking, violence is inherently a form of domination, and thus inconsistent with opposing domination. Those who engage in violence play the same game as their oppressors, thereby losing from the outset.
This is dangerously simplistic. Is a woman who defends herself against a rapist no better than a rapist? Were slaves who revolted no better than slave-holders? There is such a thing as self-defense. In some cases, violence enforces power imbalances; in other cases, it challenges them. For people who still have faith in an authoritarian system or God, following the rules—whether legal or moral—is the top priority, at whatever cost: they believe they will be rewarded for doing so, regardless of what happens to others as a result. Whether such people call themselves conservatives or pacifists makes little difference in the end. On the other hand, for those of us who take responsibility for ourselves, the most important question is what will serve to make the world a better place. Sometimes this may include violence.
Police are people too, and deserve the same respect due all living things. The point is not that they deserve to suffer or that we should bring them to justice. The point is that, in purely pragmatic terms, they must not be allowed to brutalize people or impose an unjust social order any more !
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Some Myths about the Police.
#1 The police exercise legitimate authority.
The average police officer is not a legal expert; he probably knows his department protocol, but very little about the actual laws. This means his enforcement involves a great deal of bluffing, improvisation, and dishonesty. Police lie on a regular basis: “I just got a report of someone of your description committing a crime around here. Want to show me some ID?”
This is not to say we should unthinkingly accept laws as legitimate, either. The entire judicial system protects the privileges of the wealthy and powerful. Obeying laws is not necessarily morally right—it may even be immoral. Slavery was legal, aiding escaped slaves illegal. The Nazis came to power in Germany via democratic elections and passed laws through the prescribed channels. We should aspire to the strength of conscience to do what we know is best, regardless of laws and police intimidation.
#2 The police are ordinary workers just like us; they should be our allies
. Unfortunately, there’s a big gap between “should be” and “are.” The role of the police is to serve the interests of the ruling class; anyone who has not had a bad experience with them is likely privileged, submissive, or both. Today’s police officers know exactly what they’re getting into when they join the force—people in uniform don’t just get cats out of trees. Yes, most take the job because of economic pressure, but needing a paycheck is no excuse for evicting families, harassing young people of color, or pepper-spraying demonstrators. Those whose consciences can be bought are everyone’s potential enemies, not allies.
This fairy tale is more persuasive when it is couched in strategic terms: for example, “Every revolution succeeds at the moment the armed forces refuse to make war on their fellows; therefore we should focus on seducing the police to our side.” But the police are not just any workers; they’re the ones who chose to base their livelihoods upon defending the prevailing order, thus the least likely to be sympathetic to those who wish to change it. In this context, it makes more sense to oppose the police as such than to seek solidarity with them. As long as they serve their masters, they cannot be our allies; by denouncing the institution of police and demoralizing individual officers, we can encourage them to seek other livelihoods so we can one day find common cause with them.
#3 Maybe there are some bad apples, but some police officers are good people.
Perhaps some police officers have good intentions, but once again, insofar as they obey orders rather than their consciences, they cannot be trusted.
There’s something to be said for understanding the systematic nature of institutions, rather than attributing every injustice to the shortcomings of individuals. Remember the story of the man who, tormented by fleas, managed to catch one between his fingers? He scrutinized it for a long time before placing it back at the spot on his neck where had he caught it. His friends, confounded, inquired why on earth he would do such a thing. “That wasn’t the one that was biting me,” he explained.
#4 Police can win any confrontation, so we shouldn’t antagonize them
With all their weapons, equipment, and surveillance, the police can seem invincible, but this is an illusion. They are limited by all sorts of invisible constraints—bureaucracy, public opinion, communication breakdowns, an overloaded judicial system. If they don’t have vehicles or facilities available to transport and process a great number of arrestees, for example, they can’t make mass arrests.
This is why a motley crowd armed only with the tear gas canisters shot at them can hold off a larger, more organized, better-equipped police force; contests between social unrest and military might don’t play out according to the rules of military engagement. Those who have studied police, who can predict what they are prepared for and what they can and cannot do, can often outsmart and outmaneuver them.
Such small victories are especially inspiring for those who chafe under the heel of police violence on a daily basis. In the collective unconscious of our society, the police are the ultimate bastion of reality, the force that ensures that things stay the way they are; taking them on and winning, however temporarily, shows that reality is negotiable.
#5 We need police to protect us
According to this line of thinking, even if we might aspire to live in a society without police in the distant future, we need them today, for people are not ready to live together peacefully without armed enforcers. As if the social imbalances and fear maintained by police violence are peace! Those who argue that the police sometimes do good things bear the burden of proving that those same good things could not be accomplished at least as well by other means.
In any case, it’s not as if a police-free society is suddenly going to appear overnight just because someone spray-paints “Fuck the Police” on a wall. The protracted struggle it will take to free our communities from police repression will probably go on as long as it takes us to learn to coexist peacefully; a community that can’t sort out its own conflicts can’t expect to triumph against a more powerful occupying force. In the meantime, opposition to police should be seen as a rejection of one of the most egregious sources of oppressive violence, not an assertion that without police there would be none. But if we can ever defeat and disband the police, we will surely be able to defend ourselves against less organized threats.
#6 Resisting the police is violent—it makes you no better than them
According to this line of thinking, violence is inherently a form of domination, and thus inconsistent with opposing domination. Those who engage in violence play the same game as their oppressors, thereby losing from the outset.
This is dangerously simplistic. Is a woman who defends herself against a rapist no better than a rapist? Were slaves who revolted no better than slave-holders? There is such a thing as self-defense. In some cases, violence enforces power imbalances; in other cases, it challenges them. For people who still have faith in an authoritarian system or God, following the rules—whether legal or moral—is the top priority, at whatever cost: they believe they will be rewarded for doing so, regardless of what happens to others as a result. Whether such people call themselves conservatives or pacifists makes little difference in the end. On the other hand, for those of us who take responsibility for ourselves, the most important question is what will serve to make the world a better place. Sometimes this may include violence.
Police are people too, and deserve the same respect due all living things. The point is not that they deserve to suffer or that we should bring them to justice. The point is that, in purely pragmatic terms, they must not be allowed to brutalize people or impose an unjust social order any more !
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There are undoubtedly a lot of pigs on here. People who defend cops in this post and use bad spelling and attack people on the forum for being anti-cop, are most likely cops themselves. (Limetless)
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There are undoubtedly a lot of pigs on here. People who defend cops in this post and use bad spelling and attack people on the forum for being anti-cop, are most likely cops themselves. (Limetless)
How did I defend the police? I just said it was stupid to think they were stupid. And I am not even going to get into an argument with you, you have already been pretty much given title the biggest cunt on here.
By the way I liked it when you got your ass kicked after declaring all the all the top vendors were LEO and didn't come up with any decent evidence, and your post declaring your hash was the best was pretty amusing too. Answered the question "Does Mister Dank suck his own dick as well as blow his own horn?"
Jog-on...cunt.
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There are undoubtedly a lot of pigs on here. People who defend cops in this post and use bad spelling and attack people on the forum for being anti-cop, are most likely cops themselves. (Limetless)
How did I defend the police? I just said it was stupid to think they were stupid. And I am not even going to get into an argument with you, you have already been pretty much given title the biggest cunt on here.
By the way I liked it when you got your ass kicked after declaring all the all the top vendors were LEO and didn't come up with any decent evidence, and your post declaring your hash was the best was pretty amusing too. Answered the question "Does Mister Dank suck his own dick as well as blow his own horn?"
Jog-on...cunt.
So how did I get my ass kicked, pig? You and your pig friends knocking my karma?? oooooohh..like I care. You want "evidence"? There it is - a bunch of drug dealers don't gang up on someone for outing cops, but cops do.
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I know this isn't going to make me very popular on SR, but where I live, cops are sweet as hell (with the exception of state police, and a few corrupt police departments of cities I avoid).
Every interaction I've had with a cop has been positive:
-When my car ran out of gas, a cop noticed me stranded on the side of the road and helped push my car to a gas station
-When I parked in an area clearly labeled NO PARKING like a retard and blocking a fire hydrant, instead of getting a ticket and a tow, I got a phone call telling me I needed to move my car. No idea how they got my phone number, but I'm glad they had it and weren't dicks about it.
-When I was drunk in my work parking lot sobering up a bit before work (I work odd hours, so this was the middle of the night) a cop knocked on my window to make sure I wasn't passed out or needed medical attention.
Maybe I'm just lucky I guess.
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Cops are people like you and me, just doing there job. It's a career and a pretty good one at that. Its likely a passion to a lot of them and of course its a job that helps them pay their bills, look after the family, loved ones and helps them; live life. Just like you and me.
No no no. Sorry. Not even close.
You wear the uniform.. you are the enemy. If someone wears a badge they are simply fortunate I can't practically speaking afford to walk up behind them and do what should be done.
When you start thinking of pigs as fellow human beings "just like me".. you are playing into the sympathy/idolizing game that the centurions so love.
DONT DO IT. If someone is a cop, and they are in uniform.. make it really simple.. "I don't have any comment for police. May I go? No? Lawyer please".
If they are a cop and they are not in uniform.. ignore them pointedly.. and question their family members why they are not deeply ashamed and horrified of their relation's choice to oppress others.
It is my firm belief that not only cops but their wives, children and parents should be socially ostracized and publicly castigated. Forced to see the opprobrium that their evil choices inspire.
Is this cruel? NO! It is kindness.. because the only alternatives are concentration camps (for us) or impromptu widespread executions by bullet, noose and fire (for them).
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Cops are people like you and me, just doing there job. It's a career and a pretty good one at that. Its likely a passion to a lot of them and of course its a job that helps them pay their bills, look after the family, loved ones and helps them; live life. Just like you and me.
No no no. Sorry. Not even close.
You wear the uniform.. you are the enemy. If someone wears a badge they are simply fortunate I can't practically speaking afford to walk up behind them and do what should be done.
When you start thinking of pigs as fellow human beings "just like me".. you are playing into the sympathy/idolizing game that the centurions so love.
DONT DO IT. If someone is a cop, and they are in uniform.. make it really simple.. "I don't have any comment for police. May I go? No? Lawyer please".
If they are a cop and they are not in uniform.. ignore them pointedly.. and question their family members why they are not deeply ashamed and horrified of their relation's choice to oppress others.
It is my firm belief that not only cops but their wives, children and parents should be socially ostracized and publicly castigated. Forced to see the opprobrium that their evil choices inspire.
Is this cruel? NO! It is kindness.. because the only alternatives are concentration camps (for us) or impromptu widespread executions by bullet, noose and fire (for them).
Well what about in cases of murder/rape/violent crime/aggravated theft etc..? Personally in those situations I think police are a vital public resource.
It's just when they start fucking with you for affecting your own consciousness or doing a public protest/something else that harms noone that they've crossed a line.
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philter3 makes the same error fundamentalist Christians make - black and white thinking. Something must either be all-good or all-evil.
The reality is there are good cops and bad cops. The quality of cops usually depends on the quality of the police department they work for, just like any other job. There are cops who do it for the right reasons, and cops who take advantage of their power. There are good police departments, and corrupt police departments. Listen to your local police scanner at night - you'll probably hear a lot of police officers assisting motorists stranded on the highway without a phone driving them home, responding to reckless drivers who put everyone at risk, and mediating domestic disputes. This is what police officers do - it's not just the DEA, and it's not just the staties sitting on the shoulder waiting for someone to speed.
A well-organized police department that engages with the community they serve and listens to citizens' concerns means less murders, less rapes, and less robberies. Such a thing does exist, and arguing otherwise only proves that you lack life experience, or lack maturity.
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u gotta love these anarchy nerds that think like ”there should be no police,all drugs should be legal” lol,if theres not gonna be any sorts of authority we might aswell go back to the stone age,the strongest douche bag with the smallest brain to rule dem all
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Well what about in cases of murder/rape/violent crime/aggravated theft etc..? Personally in those situations I think police are a vital public resource.
It's just when they start fucking with you for affecting your own consciousness or doing a public protest/something else that harms noone that they've crossed a line.
If you know who your assailant is... then you can and should handle that yourself. You will be able to do a better job of it than a cop/criminal justice system. Also if you handle it yourself you don't have to worry about exposing yourself or your own family/friends to scrutiny from the REAL forces of evil (i.e. the pigs).
If you DON'T know who your assailant is... then you are pretty much shit outa luck.. cause the cops wouldn't be able to do much anyway.
Additionally anytime you pick up that phone and dial 9-1-1... you are giving the pigs a suspect.. YOU. It is simply to dangerous to deal with a pig. They see themselves as higher on the food chain than you.. and there is no telling what they might badger you into admitting.
How many stories of police brutality begin with a 9-1-1 call and someone who is a bystander or even the VICTIM wind up being waylaid and (occasionally) murdered by the stormtroopers.
Simple answer.. NEVER EVER EVER talk to them except as a means of exiting the situation. And of course.. if you are so lucky as to be able to eliminate them without risk to yourself.. do the world a favor :D
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philter3 makes the same error fundamentalist Christians make - black and white thinking. Something must either be all-good or all-evil.
The reality is there are good cops and bad cops. The quality of cops usually depends on the quality of the police department they work for, just like any other job. There are cops who do it for the right reasons, and cops who take advantage of their power. There are good police departments, and corrupt police departments. Listen to your local police scanner at night - you'll probably hear a lot of police officers assisting motorists stranded on the highway without a phone driving them home, responding to reckless drivers who put everyone at risk, and mediating domestic disputes. This is what police officers do - it's not just the DEA, and it's not just the staties sitting on the shoulder waiting for someone to speed.
A well-organized police department that engages with the community they serve and listens to citizens' concerns means less murders, less rapes, and less robberies. Such a thing does exist, and arguing otherwise only proves that you lack life experience, or lack maturity.
I am deeply sorry you feel my assessment of the situation lacks nuance or a sense of mature analysis.
I personally feel that those Jews who still are upset about the Shoah are really failing to understand the larger moral implications of Germany's attempt at societal rebirth. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the (relative) few and if finding a common internal enemy was deemed necessary as a consensus building measure by the German people via their democratically elected representatives.. well that is simply the price they chose to pay;...
The vast majority of the public works and services of the National Socialists had positive effects, those actions for which negative effects (for some few relatively speaking) existed were simply part of a larger impetus towards social and national rebirth. It was a collective validation measure for the German people.
Arguing otherwise only proves that you lack life experience, or lack maturity.
(WARNING: This is a rhetorical device of argumentation.)
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If you know who your assailant is... then you can and should handle that yourself. You will be able to do a better job of it than a cop/criminal justice system.
And if you don't know who your assailant is, you're shit out of luck, because you're not a detective.
What you advocate is a society absent of security and order, and therefore absent of freedom. Most people don't want that, that's why anarchy never succeeds and never will - it's completely unnatural and foreign to human nature.
Instead of advocating something that will never happen, it'd be more productive to work to change unjust laws and fight corrupt police departments. But it's a helluvalot easier to bitch and moan and pretend to be a victim on an anonymous forum.
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it's sad that it's ourselves who have put these people into their positions, us that have created governments to rule us, us that have implemented these laws that we are oppressed, antagonized and prosecuted by.
society wants to have some sort of parental authority telling them what to do and think because it's generally too fucking stupid to do those things for itself.
i mean, i doubt speed limits just suddenly appeared - im sure there was overwhelming circle-jerk support for putting them in place when the issue came up. just like anything else. and now that we're treated like 5 year olds in every aspect of our lives, we don't like it. WOW. WHAT A SURPRISE. DIDNT SEE THAT COMING.
who knew being treated like a fucking toddler is irritating and unpleasant? probably not those people with the baby fetishes... i wonder if the whole government and law systems are a conspiracy enacted by such people to further their perverted sexual fantasies unto the everyday lives of people....
fuckin ell.
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And if you don't know who your assailant is, you're shit out of luck, because you're not a detective.
You think detectives have much luck solving crimes without witnesses and such? Methinks SOMEBODY is
getting their life-perspective from too much Law and Order on TV.
What you advocate is a society absent of security and order, and therefore absent of freedom. Most people don't want that, that's why anarchy never succeeds and never will - it's completely unnatural and foreign to human nature.
Anarchy... since you seem to be misinformed.. is not a society absent of security and order. It is an absence of goverment and/or governmental force monopolies. Societies without intrusive top-down-regulation by persons unknown to the ruled masses are NOT unnatural.. they are in fact the way the MAJORITY of human beings lived in the past.
Perhaps a bit more study of history and a bit less COPS on the idiot box?
Instead of advocating something that will never happen, it'd be more productive to work to change unjust laws and fight corrupt police departments. But it's a helluvalot easier to bitch and moan and pretend to be a victim on an anonymous forum.
I don't advocate something that will never happen, I advocate returning to a model that has worked consistently for hundreds of thousands of years, suitably empowered and updated by the tools of information technology.
I don't work to change unjust laws, because I don't agree with the whole concept of top-down law and force monopolies anyway. Why participate in the problem? Better to just look out for me and my kin and get us all out of harm's way.
It's a helluva a lot easier to blame victims than empower them to resist whenever possible.. but I congratulate you on your fine credentials as a collaborator mentality for the LE-worship complex (ironic on a underground drug market).
Well done. Now please show ID and proceed to the terminal where you will be searched, examined and taxed, before you are allowed to move elsewhere.
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I don't worship LE, I am just able to think critically.
Please, try reading what I write before you come to absurd judgements.
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Anarchy... since you seem to be misinformed.. is not a society absent of security and order. It is an absence of goverment and/or governmental force monopolies. Societies without intrusive top-down-regulation by persons unknown to the ruled masses are NOT unnatural.. they are in fact the way the MAJORITY of human beings lived in the past.
Complete nonsense. Since the agricultural revolution, all human societies have formed governments, and they did it independently of one another. Even primitive hunter-gatherer societies which never adopted agriculture had forms of government.
Humans have a higher intelligence than any other animal. We can communicate with language, and we can make tools. We inevitably specialize in certain trades. This leads to a division of labor. Society isn't orderly and cohesive on its own - eventually, we form governments to protect our trades, and facilitate markets so we can earn a living. This is all pretty elementary stuff.
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Complete nonsense. Since the agricultural revolution, all human societies have formed governments, and they did it independently of one another. Even primitive hunter-gatherer societies which never adopted agriculture had forms of government.
The degree of authoritarian group think on display here is AMAZING.
Any self-control, any emergent order, in any society (even pre-agricultural) is dignified as GOVERNMENT?
So a headman in a small village who is recognized as the arbitrator for 3 score humans, all of who can team up and kill him off, is a government? Fascinating.
So basically you think any form of emergent order justifies a force monopoly and all the attendant horrors?
Humans have a higher intelligence than any other animal. We can communicate with language, and we can make tools. We inevitably specialize in certain trades. This leads to a division of labor. Society isn't orderly and cohesive on its own - eventually, we form governments to protect our trades, and facilitate markets so we can earn a living. This is all pretty elementary stuff.
Society is quite orderly and cohesive on it's own. When a certain parasitic fraction of that society legislates the exclusive use of force to it's own auspices.. and then proceeds on pillage and rapine with regards to rest of the society that is what we call government. A Force Monopoly. It typically starts (historically) as an outside force bent on robbery and slaughter which conquers a populace and is then slowly replaced from the inside via interbreeding and absorption by native elites who
take over the robbery show. THAT is history.
As long as governance is largely the product of voluntary interactions it is ORDER but not GOVERNMENT (at least in the evil sense).
The more power that accrues to a centralized authority the less responsive it becomes to it's victims/constituents. The more institutionalized its power apparatus becomes, the less transparent.
Thus we get what is the greatest historical source of death, evil and outright chaos ever in human history.
Which is what you are playing apologist for. This is all pretty basic stuff.. you just haven't read the right books.
Since you are on Silk Road.. might I suggest you take a look at DPR's signature and read some of the books that inspired the fine work of the guy you apparently approve of enough to use his site? Just a thought...
Everyone here is practicing anarchy.. but some are too ignorant and/or hypocritical to call it that.
Protip: They aren't your friends. They aren't your allies. You are getting fucked.. but you aren't getting off.
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I responded point by point.. you dismissed flippantly.
You haven't responded to a damn thing I've said, you just end up spewing nonsense like
Protip: They aren't your friends. They aren't your allies.
in spite of me never claiming they were my friends, never claiming they were allies, merely pointing out that your black and white thinking is contrary to reality. Then you close with a mindless slogan, such as
You are getting fucked.. but you aren't getting off.
Please, for your own sake, start thinking for yourself.
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And you need to start fueling your own thought processes with something besides authoritarian apologia IMO.
Ok.. This is headed nowhere.. can't argue with the true believers.
Last word is yours joblo.
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can't argue with the true believers.
I really hope this statement was intended to be ironic.
Have fun with your slogans, have a nice day.
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Complete nonsense. Since the agricultural revolution, all human societies have formed governments, and they did it independently of one another. Even primitive hunter-gatherer societies which never adopted agriculture had forms of government.
Humans have a higher intelligence than any other animal. We can communicate with language, and we can make tools. We inevitably specialize in certain trades. This leads to a division of labor. Society isn't orderly and cohesive on its own - eventually, we form governments to protect our trades, and facilitate markets so we can earn a living. This is all pretty elementary stuff.
you know what else humans have formed since the beginning of time?
PATRIARCHY.
does that make it inherently correct and necessary? i dont fucking think so. just because something has been going on for a long time, sure as shit doesnt make it right or necessary. EVER.
sorry, the government has been put into place after evolution from leaders of tribal societys/kings into some next bullsiht that was more plausible than the last form.... only because people need to be babysat like fucking retarded teething babies.
THAT'S the truth. the sad truth about humanity - that even though we bitch and moan and gripe and offer great arguments and counterpoints to an alternative method, we all just really want someone to tell us what to do and what to think and how to behave and when to goto bed, where to work, what to wear, who to fuck, how to look, what to buy, etc.
we're fucking sheep. end of story. and it's a sad fucking story, indeed.
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All my dealings with police have been professional.
Then are you are either privileged or naturally submissive.
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Cops are people like you and me, just doing there job. It's a career and a pretty good one at that. Its likely a passion to a lot of them and of course its a job that helps them pay their bills, look after the family, loved ones and helps them; live life. Just like you and me.
Perhaps some police officers have good intentions, but once again, insofar as they obey orders rather than their consciences, they simply just cannot be trusted.