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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Watch Out on March 20, 2012, 07:42 pm
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Let me start by saying this forum account I am using is a sock puppet of a buyer account. I am using it because I am scared of results of criticism towards being black listed by fellow buyers or vendor accounts of Silk Road. I have bought items from Silk Road in the past, and will try to continue to buy items in the future. Some out there may see this account as being some LEO, government, troll, organized criminal, christian fundamentalist group, or maybe even a drug rehab center member. I am none of those. Please put your tin foil hats away.
After reading over Dread Pirate Robert's 'chat' comments I am struck by how much he sees himself as some heroic liberator, bringing drug safety and access to the masses. But I think he tends to 'gloss over' or ignore some fundamental negatives and drawbacks of Silk Road and its impact. I must admit the positive aspect of "seeming" to remove the oppression of street level crime of buying dangerous or unknown products. The danger of under cover LEO busting the buyer or seller. The possible crimes of drug territory disputes or the possibilities of being robbed from seller or buyer on the street. But How far removed is Silk Road from criminal organizations and corruption really?
Take the examples of two of the most expensive and addictive substances on silk road: heroin and cocaine. Where do you think the vendors on silk road get them from? Where do you think ultimately their supply comes from? I can tell you they are not making them from a personal field in the backyard or garage. The vast criminal organizations produce them and transport them. They are getting them from the very organizations that Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against. The vendors buy them from suppliers, and so the money flows right back into corrupt and criminal hands. Silk Road is in bed with the criminals , make no mistake.
Even with the example of the growing illegal use of prescription drugs, who produces these drugs? The supply comes from governments or medical drug companies. Again the money flows back to them from Silk Road vendors. Again something Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against, but whoops another bed.
Dread Pirate Roberts claims to be some small operative rebel group, but for all we know he could be a front for a criminal organization himself, or at very least 'aligned' with corruption and criminals instead.
Now there are some substances on Silk Road that can come small local sources for vendors such as weed or mushrooms. Those don't seem to have that "kick back" money to the suppliers at least. But the bigger amounts of drugs or more potent drugs must have a money connection to supply.
Finally I want to end with looking at the elephant in the room of children having access to dangerous drugs. Now granted I use the term 'children' as meaning something maybe 14 years to 17 years old. A smart child maybe able to get on younger even if an older friend or relative helps. There is no control for this what so ever given the nature of silk road. So we all have to throw up our collective hands and say, 'screw it they would get the drugs anyway'. Really people? Really? Do those of you with children, you want them to get drugs from silk road? Those of you with younger relatives? Those of you who might have children in the near future? I hope Dread Pirate Roberts can sleep at night knowing that some 15 year could overdose, or start a lifelong addiction from drugs he helped facilitate. How much of a liberator or hero will he feel then?
He claims to free and liberate people on drugs, but all he could be doing is enabling another form of slavery with death and addiction. And that is the dark side of silk road.
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The same kid's on SR are the same kid's shooting the schools up..I mean come on dude I have 2 kids and I am very close to them so I am in tune with them if you will...parents should be parenting and if their not then they have to deal with consequences, by the way you do know there were kids doing drugs before SR and there will be kids doing drugs after SR
P.S. I bet your a republican...wake up and smell reality man and please keep your morals to yourself..I'm trying to buy drug's here for Pete's sake.
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you are talking nonsense. there is no cost-benefit analysis in which SR is, on net and compared to the alternatives, a negative. if you are interested in harm reduction then i find it hard to see how you have a problem with it. the cartels and their violence will only be gone when the global war on drugs ends, and SR is an important tool in making that happen.
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Shipping drugs, domestically at least, is FAR safer than buying in the "real world", if done correctly. That means using only trusted vendors, GPG, ect.
SR does it's best to provide a TOR/GPG-based marketplace for the masses. And it has indeed started a revolution, compared to other "non-TOR based" forums from the past.
Every human being has the natural right to ingest whatever substance they feel, and do "whatever they choose" with their own body and mind. As long as they harm no others in the process.
The same goes for what "anyone" chooses to do, with mutual consent, in their bedroom.
It is a "self-evident" basic human right. Wherever drugs like H & C come from is dependent on how the War on Drugs progresses, and the policies of the nations enforcing these laws.
The supply chain is indeed an unfortunate current side-effect of the global drug supply. Although, this could realistically change with more progressive drug laws being enacted worldwide.
Peace.
The Flipside Crew
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Yea bro how about calling out the real culprit...the government's that make drugs illegal and yet still profit on them anyway through imprisoning people and forfeiture laws and so forth and so on...aww fuck I'm sure I'm wasting my breath. Peace and love my republican brother. :D
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He claims to free and liberate people on drugs, but all he could be doing is enabling another form of slavery with death and addiction. And that is the dark side of silk road.
The main issue here is freedom, my brother. What's to stop you right now from legally buying some herbicide or rat poison and injecting it straight into your bloodstream? Nothing. What's to stop you from legally dousing yourself in petrol and lighting up, provided you don't put other people or their property at risk while you burn to a crisp? Nothing. What's to stop you legally developing an addiction to caffeine, nicotine, sugar, ethanol, saturated fat, cutting yourself and hoarding your own piss? Nothing.
If you're free to do all that horrible shit to yourself, why the fuck shouldn't you be free to do other, much less horrible shit to yourself? You should. You should be free to develop a heroin habit, to O.D. on heroin, to produce and consume heroin marshmallows. Because your personal freedom to dispose of your body and your health however you see fit should not be the State's business.
DPR is, to a limited extent, restoring us this freedom that the State has taken away from us. And as with any other freedom (including the freedom to I.V. rat poison, which we currently enjoy) it's up to each person to use it productively and responsibly. It's not DPR's fault if someone gets addicted to heroin, just as rat-poison-injection-related suicides aren't the State's fault simply by virtue of not banning the sale of rat poison.
Get it?
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Good points on both sides here. Drugs will always have a dark undertone, and that includes the legal one we get from the doctor. The addictive properties of these kind of things can be very bad on society, we all have seen them destroy peoples lives. That said the war on drugs and all of the problems that it causes can be just as bad on society. From the violence from the cartels to the over crowed prison its all pretty bad. I don't see either of those things going away anytime soon, since that would require both users and nonusers to come to a realization that drugs can be dangerous and they are not going away.
From a sellers point a view drugs are a business and in business the goal is to make money. Unfortunately like most business it ends up being by any means necessary for most. This ends up putting bad quality products on the streets, which can be more dangerous than pure good quality stuff. Most buyers want the pure high quality stuff but in reality they will take what ever their seller has to offer. The thing about SR, and its one of the things I like most, is a vendor cant sell a crappy product for very long on here. The community talks and with multiple vendors selling the same stuff both quality and price are big issues. In the real world buyers only have a few vendors they can go to for product, thus they just take what they can get.
SR is a great place and I love what its doing, but there will always be that dark side as long as there are addicts and a war on drugs, we just cant get around that.
As far as the kids go I wish we had some way to filter out the young ones. I know they are going to get there drugs regardless, but would rather them not get them from SR until they are older. But there is really know way to do that other than have the vendors filter a little bit. This wont catch them all but it will catch a few. But that goes against the business side of the drug game, by any means necessary. So I don't know!
As a former seller in real life and a POW of the drug war for 6yr and a father I think it really comes down to being a good parent and being in touch with your kids like stated above.
And before any accusations on my political party get thrown out I am much closer to being a republican than a Democrat since I do believe in a free market where you earn what your worth and only the strong survive.
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Shouldn't have said that, should have said conservative, no offense friend. I believe bipartisan politics have ruined this country...but that's a whole other thread in a whole different forum.
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The War On Drugs has caused more damage than drugs ever will. When will assholes stop trying to tell people how to run their lives?
As far as children go? Parent your kids and you will have little problems. I have three kids. One use to do LSD in his very late teens and early twenties. He was over 18 and old enough to make his own choices. Now he just drinks beer. Would much rather he smoked weed. My second child smoked a little weed in her very early twenties but, no longer does. My youngest, 18 I believe has tried weed/hash but, nothing more potent. I've always been open with my kids and we often talked about the pro's and con's of drugs.
Personally I'd much rather have my kids smoking weed than drinking alcohol. Now that's a dangerous drug!
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Shouldn't have said that, should have said conservative, no offense friend. I believe bipartisan politics have ruined this country...but that's a whole other thread in a whole different forum.
All good bro I was just making a joke with it anyway
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Holy Shit this site is getting hit with all the retards that are mad at the world because they have to conform to civilized law & order.If you don't like it make a change or at least make a difference when YOU can
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SILKROAD IS A SCAM. IT'S RUN BY A GROUP OF RETARDS WHO RESELL AT A HUGE MARK UP FROM 2-3 WWW SOURCES.
THESE SOURCES ARE NOT HARD TO FIND.
SILKROAD IS PRICE GOUGING AND HOME OF RETARDS.
Really? Could you point me to one of those 2-3 www sources for MDXX, mescaline, shrooms and acid? I'd love to make a huge markup :D
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I don't use heroin but if people are using then at least they do not have to walk into a street risking arrest or buy off teenagers working for some local dealer who takes no pride in the product and could not care less about the users.
Many heroin addicts re treated like scum by the very people making money off them.
Those dealing heroin here at least have some feedback as to the purity and worth of the product.
Its not our fault that bad guys have a stake in some drug production. In the USA prohibition years did anyone not sip a drink due to the mafias making a lot of cash?
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it always comes down to the children....the stupid, stupid children. parents should parent their kids and then maybe they wouldn't be dumb enough to order heroin at the age of 14. but don't lie to them either. heroin is awesome. it's that simple. it's popular for a reason. and kids will find that out through two different ways: by personal experience, or by the parent telling/educating them. which would you prefer? at least with the second option, you can expand on the reasons as to why it's awesome and why people continue using even at the risk of addiction. educate your children about the pros and cons of such drugs, without the bullshit, so when they are old enough and encounter these substances in the real world (everyone does as some point. it's inevitable), they have the knowledge to make their own personal decisions - instead of going in blind with no knowledge at all.
education will always work better than a complete ban, personal/state prohibition, and propaganda lies.
oh, and OP, you do realize that a kid can buy literally *anything* from the internet - and by "the internet", I mean the fucking internet! Silk Road is just one grain of a sand on a very large coastline beach.
so don't blame the Road for potential personal problems one may - or may not - even encounter.
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RE: Kids
I was 11 when I first did "lighter gas" and smoked my first cigarette. 12 when I first smoked weed, and drank my first beer.
13 when i did speed and coke for the first time.
That was my personal choice. And my "right" as a member of the human race. Regardless of my age at the time.
But yes, there are unfortunately FAR too many overdoses and deaths from teenagers. The true problem is they must be better informed of proper drug use 'practice'. Which I personally do my very best to do.
But that is why "harm-reduction" sites like Bluelight, Erowid, and even SR, exist.
We do our best, no?
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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And yes. "Kids" WILL find drugs if they intend to use them.
That cannot be helped. Ever.
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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I bet OP is LEO or some pissed off mother type. Kids, kids, save the kids. And that is why the pointless wars on drugs will continue. At least there's Silk Road.
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I'm pretty sure kids were acquiring drugs long before SR. I might be wrong...but I don't think so.
Plus, just looking at how I grew up, it would have been SO much more hassle to download tor, acquire bitcoins, find a reasonable vendor and place an order, and come up with an excuse as to why I received a package that I could not open in front of my parents and subsequently hid from them. Easier to buy behind the school and shove it in my pocket. ???
As for still paying the large suppliers, I really don't care if they have my money. Really. Fact of the matter is, if they're the only ones that have what I want, they will get my money. It's just a lot more comfortable for everyone if I place an order online instead of wandering alleys drunk and in my pajamas trying to find someone to sell me cocaine.
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Let me start by saying this forum account I am using is a sock puppet of a buyer account. I am using it because I am scared of results of criticism towards being black listed by fellow buyers or vendor accounts of Silk Road. I have bought items from Silk Road in the past, and will try to continue to buy items in the future. Some out there may see this account as being some LEO, government, troll, organized criminal, christian fundamentalist group, or maybe even a drug rehab center member. I am none of those. Please put your tin foil hats away.
After reading over Dread Pirate Robert's 'chat' comments I am struck by how much he sees himself as some heroic liberator, bringing drug safety and access to the masses. But I think he tends to 'gloss over' or ignore some fundamental negatives and drawbacks of Silk Road and its impact. I must admit the positive aspect of "seeming" to remove the oppression of street level crime of buying dangerous or unknown products. The danger of under cover LEO busting the buyer or seller. The possible crimes of drug territory disputes or the possibilities of being robbed from seller or buyer on the street. But How far removed is Silk Road from criminal organizations and corruption really?
Take the examples of two of the most expensive and addictive substances on silk road: heroin and cocaine. Where do you think the vendors on silk road get them from? Where do you think ultimately their supply comes from? I can tell you they are not making them from a personal field in the backyard or garage. The vast criminal organizations produce them and transport them. They are getting them from the very organizations that Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against. The vendors buy them from suppliers, and so the money flows right back into corrupt and criminal hands. Silk Road is in bed with the criminals , make no mistake.
Even with the example of the growing illegal use of prescription drugs, who produces these drugs? The supply comes from governments or medical drug companies. Again the money flows back to them from Silk Road vendors. Again something Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against, but whoops another bed.
Dread Pirate Roberts claims to be some small operative rebel group, but for all we know he could be a front for a criminal organization himself, or at very least 'aligned' with corruption and criminals instead.
Now there are some substances on Silk Road that can come small local sources for vendors such as weed or mushrooms. Those don't seem to have that "kick back" money to the suppliers at least. But the bigger amounts of drugs or more potent drugs must have a money connection to supply.
Finally I want to end with looking at the elephant in the room of children having access to dangerous drugs. Now granted I use the term 'children' as meaning something maybe 14 years to 17 years old. A smart child maybe able to get on younger even if an older friend or relative helps. There is no control for this what so ever given the nature of silk road. So we all have to throw up our collective hands and say, 'screw it they would get the drugs anyway'. Really people? Really? Do those of you with children, you want them to get drugs from silk road? Those of you with younger relatives? Those of you who might have children in the near future? I hope Dread Pirate Roberts can sleep at night knowing that some 15 year could overdose, or start a lifelong addiction from drugs he helped facilitate. How much of a liberator or hero will he feel then?
He claims to free and liberate people on drugs, but all he could be doing is enabling another form of slavery with death and addiction. And that is the dark side of silk road.
now, you unloaded this crap here, does it made you feel better. good for you then. you are one of those who sees crap everywhere and if you will be not able to find any crap, you will just produce it.
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Yeah, probably a good idea you used a different username to post that nonsense. I can't even begin to point out all the flaws in your arguement OP. Kids are 100% FUCKING IRRELEVANT for starters.
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Why single out cocaine and heroin?
There is meth, all those synthetics, etc.
Some killer shit on the road man...
I'll stick to pot, does the trick for me.
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personally, I think the designer drugs are worse than the heroin....but maybe that's because I'm bias and I do heroin :D
nonetheless, with that said, the synthetics are easier to acquire than fucking pot and/or alcohol. walk into almost any head shop or weird gas station and you can grab a redbull with some designer xtc and coke. so why would a stupid kid go through all the trouble of getting to the road, when they could - literally - walk down the road and buy drugs - more harmful drugs, I might add.
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Why can't we all be like little Fonzies? Cool.
Why can't everybody just be cool to each other. Help each other. Why does there have to be so much bullshit going on? I'm so sick of the rip offs and negativity. Come on, man. Everybody just be cool with everyone.
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personally, I think the designer drugs are worse than the heroin....but maybe that's because I'm bias and I do heroin :D
nonetheless, with that said, the synthetics are easier to acquire than fucking pot and/or alcohol. walk into almost any head shop or weird gas station and you can grab a redbull with some designer xtc and coke. so why would a stupid kid go through all the trouble of getting to the road, when they could - literally - walk down the road and buy drugs - more harmful drugs, I might add.
absofuckinglutely this!!!!
kids on 2ce or some crazy potent stuff WILL cause harm to them... and the reason why there are RCs is because the real deal is illegal and the analogs arent.
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Seriously - does anyone not remember middle and high school? I could get any drug I wanted, with unbelievable purity, at any time. It wasn't until I grew up, moved away, and lost connections that I needed this place.
I'd say 90% of kids have no need for SR. I could be totally wrong, and maybe I just hung with the wrong crowd, but when I was in my teens and early 20s, anyone in my area could get anything they wanted.
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personally, I think the designer drugs are worse than the heroin....but maybe that's because I'm bias and I do heroin :D
nonetheless, with that said, the synthetics are easier to acquire than fucking pot and/or alcohol. walk into almost any head shop or weird gas station and you can grab a redbull with some designer xtc and coke. so why would a stupid kid go through all the trouble of getting to the road, when they could - literally - walk down the road and buy drugs - more harmful drugs, I might add.
absofuckinglutely this!!!!
kids on 2ce or some crazy potent stuff WILL cause harm to them... and the reason why there are RCs is because the real deal is illegal and the analogs arent.
Are you really that foolish...? LSD and MDMA are synthetic drugs. HEROIN is a synthetic drug. 2C-B is a synthetic drug and has been schedule I for 18 years. The legality of a substance has essentially NO link to it's relative safety---Marijuana is schedule I. 2C-I is much more potent than 2C-B and it is not scheduled, 2C-E you can hardly move you are tripping so hard and it is not scheduled.. People that cause harm to themselves are usually people who have not researched what they are about to consume, it is very rarely the fault of the DRUG that the person is harmed. It is *never* the fault of a vendor that a user is harmed, assuming they were selling what they claimed to be selling. I firmly believe it is the responsibility of the drug user to ensure that no harm comes to them, and Darwin's Law agrees with me.
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Uh oh, Silk Road isn't perfect, so therefore DPR must be a hypocrite? Yeah, that makes a lot of fucking sense. It blows my mind that someone could turn their brain off for long enough to type out that much bullshit.
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Why can't we all be like little Fonzies? Cool.
Why can't everybody just be cool to each other. Help each other. Why does there have to be so much bullshit going on? I'm so sick of the rip offs and negativity. Come on, man. Everybody just be cool with everyone.
I want some of whatever he's on. :D
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...so fucked up
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Why can't we all be like little Fonzies? Cool.
Why can't everybody just be cool to each other. Help each other. Why does there have to be so much bullshit going on? I'm so sick of the rip offs and negativity. Come on, man. Everybody just be cool with everyone.
OMG that was perfect Dennis Hopper
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I'm Back. The man (or woman, because who knows?) you love to hate. I just wanted to try to clear up some things after reading replies to this thread. I'm glad that some of you have some intelligent, thoughtful, and insightful things to say. Some much better than the typical, " F you, I'm buying drugs here, I don't care, blah, blah, blah,". Looking back I realize my post might be too hateful, cold, and damning.
It seems that most think my point was to tear down DPR and Silk Road in general. Did you guys read the parts where I gave him and Silk Road complements? Dread Pirate Roberts has done a great thing in implementing and building Silk Road. As I stated before, I have bought and will continue to use Silk Road in the future. I think everyday he is striving to battle scammers from vendors and buyers alike. The thing that struck a chord in me was the 'tone' of his 'chat' post in some way.
I'm sorry, It came off to me like some "manifesto", like a steve jobs wannabe, and cult leader-ish. I mean he could have easily inserted, " I woke up one day and God told me to..." He seemed to have an attitude of being above it all, like cut off from the evils of typical drug trade. Silk Road is just another cog in the machine. It may be a different kind of cog. But a cog nonetheless.
To the hypocrisy issue, I must admit I am one too. I am a hypocrite. I try to buy only weed, shrooms, and LSD I think that are local to the vendors I buy from. But the truth is that I don't truly know. They could be supplied from criminal organizations too, as much as my examples of cocaine and heroin. We all are criminals here, buying criminal drugs, and knowing the consequences of being caught.
My message was to try to wake you guys up, to question authority, even DPR's and Silk Road. Dread Pirate Roberts like to think he is replacing the "street pusher", when he just might be just creating a " digital pusher" to take his place. As that old Who song goes, " time to meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
Again I would to apologize for the children issue. That came off too harsh and "holier than thou". Yes children can get drugs in the real world. I fact I had a jarring memory recently. My first full day of high school long ago, there were students in the lunch room passing around a bag of white powder and snorting from it ( I did not partake). That is a honest to god true memory. I must have been 14 years old at the time. I realize that vendors can't really quiz or weed out young buyers. This is just a possible evil we are have to live with on Silk Road.
I must apologize for seeming to single out cocaine and heroin to those users out there. But they are two big ones of the big criminal organizations you must admit. I could have added hash, meth, xtc, but sometimes those can come from smaller sources.
Well I hope I just didn't come off as someone criticizing one manifesto, and trying to replace it with their own. Think for yourselves guys! Don't lose sight of the big picture. Don't take Silk Road as a nirvana sprouting forth endless and never ending milk of the gods. Its better than the streets, but it could also be worse than streets in some ways too.
I will only post a little more in here possibly. I am scared of revealing too much of myself. I am just one of you all. One of nameless. faceless crowd. Let me end with a quote from the character of Dread Pirate Roberts, " Life is full of pain and suffering. Anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something." And Ironically that could be DPR himself.
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i brought this up in another thread which you are clearly just ripping off. i dont see what was wrong with the other thread if you wanted to talk about it. if you've thought about it you would also know there is absolutly nothing that can be done about kids on sr anyway. so useless topic is useless. btw i just assume all the people who deffend kids buying drugs on sr are the kids i referr too. ;)
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i brought this up in another thread which you are clearly just ripping off. i dont see what was wrong with the other thread if you wanted to talk about it. if you've thought about it you would also know there is absolutly nothing that can be done about kids on sr anyway. so useless topic is useless. btw i just assume all the people who deffend kids buying drugs on sr are the kids i referr too. ;)
What thread you talking about lvl? Just curious...
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I'm Back. The man (or woman, because who knows?) you love to hate. I just wanted to try to clear up some things after reading replies to this thread. I'm glad that some of you have some intelligent, thoughtful, and insightful things to say. Some much better than the typical, " F you, I'm buying drugs here, I don't care, blah, blah, blah,". Looking back I realize my post might be too hateful, cold, and damning.
It seems that most think my point was to tear down DPR and Silk Road in general. Did you guys read the parts where I gave him and Silk Road complements? Dread Pirate Roberts has done a great thing in implementing and building Silk Road. As I stated before, I have bought and will continue to use Silk Road in the future. I think everyday he is striving to battle scammers from vendors and buyers alike. The thing that struck a chord in me was the 'tone' of his 'chat' post in some way.
I'm sorry, It came off to me like some "manifesto", like a steve jobs wannabe, and cult leader-ish. I mean he could have easily inserted, " I woke up one day and God told me to..." He seemed to have an attitude of being above it all, like cut off from the evils of typical drug trade. Silk Road is just another cog in the machine. It may be a different kind of cog. But a cog nonetheless.
To the hypocrisy issue, I must admit I am one too. I am a hypocrite. I try to buy only weed, shrooms, and LSD I think that are local to the vendors I buy from. But the truth is that I don't truly know. They could be supplied from criminal organizations too, as much as my examples of cocaine and heroin. We all are criminals here, buying criminal drugs, and knowing the consequences of being caught.
My message was to try to wake you guys up, to question authority, even DPR's and Silk Road. Dread Pirate Roberts like to think he is replacing the "street pusher", when he just might be just creating a " digital pusher" to take his place. As that old Who song goes, " time to meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
Again I would to apologize for the children issue. That came off too harsh and "holier than thou". Yes children can get drugs in the real world. I fact I had a jarring memory recently. My first full day of high school long ago, there were students in the lunch room passing around a bag of white powder and snorting from it ( I did not partake). That is a honest to god true memory. I must have been 14 years old at the time. I realize that vendors can't really quiz or weed out young buyers. This is just a possible evil we are have to live with on Silk Road.
I must apologize for seeming to single out cocaine and heroin to those users out there. But they are two big ones of the big criminal organizations you must admit. I could have added hash, meth, xtc, but sometimes those can come from smaller sources.
Well I hope I just didn't come off as someone criticizing one manifesto, and trying to replace it with their own. Think for yourselves guys! Don't lose sight of the big picture. Don't take Silk Road as a nirvana sprouting forth endless and never ending milk of the gods. Its better than the streets, but it could also be worse than streets in some ways too.
I will only post a little more in here possibly. I am scared of revealing too much of myself. I am just one of you all. One of nameless. faceless crowd. Let me end with a quote from the character of Dread Pirate Roberts, " Life is full of pain and suffering. Anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something." And Ironically that could be DPR himself.
Pretty interesting how you managed to avoid responding to any of the criticisms thrown at you, while still typing out a nice, large post. I'm impressed.
If you think DPR is an arrogant fuck, just say so. Don't try and couch it in some bullshit that makes you look arrogant in turn.
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Even a lot of (but by no means all...) LSD comes from organizations that are closer to bloods&crips than happy hippies. Not gonna give specific details though. Most mass produced drugs have a good chance of having their manufacture and initial distribution controlled by traditional drug trafficking organizations, and traditional DTOs tend to consist of violent people. You are going to be hard pressed to be involved with the drug trade without having mafia-esque gangs a few links away from you, unless you are buying stuff (like pot/shrooms) with much more distributed production. Almost all MDMA is made with chemicals supplied by Triads.
Of course this is entirely the governments fault. They create the market that allows this to happen, they fund all of these gangs and they fund the terrorists who profit from the drug trade. The gov and their friends profit, the gangs profit, everyone else gets fucked and innocent people get trapped in the cross fire.
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Even a lot of (but by no means all...) LSD comes from organizations that are closer to bloods&crips than happy hippies. Not gonna give specific details though. Most mass produced drugs have a good chance of having their manufacture and initial distribution controlled by traditional drug trafficking organizations, and traditional DTOs tend to consist of violent people. You are going to be hard pressed to be involved with the drug trade without having mafia-esque gangs a few links away from you, unless you are buying stuff like pot with much more distributed production. Almost all MDMA is made with chemicals supplied by Triads.
Of course this is entirely the governments fault. They create the market that allows this to happen, they fund all of these gangs and they fund the terrorists who profit from the drug trade. The gov and their friends profit, the gangs profit, everyone else gets fucked and innocent people get trapped in the cross fire.
And SR makes things a little better by cutting a huge swath of middle men out of the process. That's a lot fewer violent, "mafia-esque" motherfuckers for those of you following along. This system isn't a perfect fix, obviously; your money is still ultimately going to people who do some very bad things. But at least there are fewer steps in the chain. Isn't that something to be proud of? Isn't it a step in the right direction? I think so.
Plus the stuff I get here is pure as fuck. Can't beat that with a stick.
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plus its the governments fault not SRs.
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Even a lot of (but by no means all...) LSD comes from organizations that are closer to bloods&crips than happy hippies. Not gonna give specific details though. Most mass produced drugs have a good chance of having their manufacture and initial distribution controlled by traditional drug trafficking organizations, and traditional DTOs tend to consist of violent people. You are going to be hard pressed to be involved with the drug trade without having mafia-esque gangs a few links away from you, unless you are buying stuff like pot with much more distributed production. Almost all MDMA is made with chemicals supplied by Triads.
Of course this is entirely the governments fault. They create the market that allows this to happen, they fund all of these gangs and they fund the terrorists who profit from the drug trade. The gov and their friends profit, the gangs profit, everyone else gets fucked and innocent people get trapped in the cross fire.
And SR makes things a little better by cutting a huge swath of middle men out of the process. That's a lot fewer violent, "mafia-esque" motherfuckers for those of you following along. This system isn't a perfect fix, obviously; your money is still ultimately going to people who do some very bad things. But at least there are fewer steps in the chain. Isn't that something to be proud of? Isn't it a step in the right direction? I think so.
Plus the stuff I get here is pure as fuck. Can't beat that with a stick.
I agree with everything you said Locrian, OP sounds jealous and arrogant as fuck. Let OP come up with a drug site if he or she can do better!
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plus its the governments fault not SRs.
Absolutely. SR is a perfect example of "making the best of a bad situation."
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The same kid's on SR are the same kid's shooting the schools up..I mean come on dude I have 2 kids and I am very close to them so I am in tune with them if you will...parents should be parenting and if their not then they have to deal with consequences, by the way you do know there were kids doing drugs before SR and there will be kids doing drugs after SR
P.S. I bet your a republican...wake up and smell reality man and please keep your morals to yourself..I'm trying to buy drug's here for Pete's sake.
Hi. I have a young daughter. Not yet in school. I work my fucking ass off. I do drugs. And of course, I am the normal hypocrite, I do not want my child to do drugs. But, because I work hard, she will not have to work as hard as me to get by, and won't experience the "hard times" I did. It's all in how you raise them is BS. If she's gonna do them when she's older, she'd gonna do them. I can help assuage it by never letting her know my double life. Hopefully. Would I want her getting them from the road? Depends, really. There's some good dope out there.
Concerning the "bad" drugs as you called them. The evil drugs. I am a "recovering addict" (I quote, as I don't believe in labels, and feel I am recovered, or whatever, I don't do it anymore) of crystal meth & heroin. I was a long time junkie. Been clean from those for 12 years. Of course I still think about them, and of course, they can be evil. In different parameters. And evil itself is only a relative term. But that's all philosophical. The point is, I have access to some KILLER dope here on the road, and without ANYONE in my immediate life knowing, and I have not bought them. I have "fan'd" a couple of the dealers, ot be quite frank, so that I could look at the fine specimens they offer. Just seeing that Afghan fire, and Mexican/American glass shard is enough to remind me of their power.
If you want to say it's cartel and terrorists, we must once again say it's all a relative term. What is a terrorist? 3 million American soldiers inflicting their Crusade against the world? Did you pay your taxes? Then you are fucking funding TERRORISM! Plain and simple. You fly an American flag? Terrorist!! If you live in USA, you wouldn't understand. Most don't, anyway. What terrorist is making it hard for me to sleep at night? Are bombs and bullets ripping through my city? Nope. Is some poor 3rd world dirt farmer growing papaver somniferum to feed his family? Yes. Working in the hot desert sun all day, WITHOUT sun screen (what's that??!??) just to get a few bowls of grains and some veggies. Those goddamn terrorists. We should kill them for making heroin. Right?
Like someone else said, heroin is awesome. That's why it's popular. If you don't think it's popular, ask yourself, or google it, how many pharmaceuticals are made with or synthesized to recept as heroin? A fucking shit ton. And most are causing a worse epidemic than heroin itself.
(deep breath, and a sigh) I want to go on and on, but I know, tl;dr
To conclude: If my child grew up to dabble or do drugs, I'd rather her try some smokeable heroin, than oxycontin or opana.
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@OP you actually bring up some valid points.
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The same kid's on SR are the same kid's shooting the schools up..I mean come on dude I have 2 kids and I am very close to them so I am in tune with them if you will...parents should be parenting and if their not then they have to deal with consequences, by the way you do know there were kids doing drugs before SR and there will be kids doing drugs after SR
P.S. I bet your a republican...wake up and smell reality man and please keep your morals to yourself..I'm trying to buy drug's here for Pete's sake.
Hi. I have a young daughter. Not yet in school. I work my fucking ass off. I do drugs. And of course, I am the normal hypocrite, I do not want my child to do drugs. But, because I work hard, she will not have to work as hard as me to get by, and won't experience the "hard times" I did. It's all in how you raise them is BS. If she's gonna do them when she's older, she'd gonna do them. I can help assuage it by never letting her know my double life. Hopefully. Would I want her getting them from the road? Depends, really. There's some good dope out there.
Concerning the "bad" drugs as you called them. The evil drugs. I am a "recovering addict" (I quote, as I don't believe in labels, and feel I am recovered, or whatever, I don't do it anymore) of crystal meth & heroin. I was a long time junkie. Been clean from those for 12 years. Of course I still think about them, and of course, they can be evil. In different parameters. And evil itself is only a relative term. But that's all philosophical. The point is, I have access to some KILLER dope here on the road, and without ANYONE in my immediate life knowing, and I have not bought them. I have "fan'd" a couple of the dealers, ot be quite frank, so that I could look at the fine specimens they offer. Just seeing that Afghan fire, and Mexican/American glass shard is enough to remind me of their power.
If you want to say it's cartel and terrorists, we must once again say it's all a relative term. What is a terrorist? 3 million American soldiers inflicting their Crusade against the world? Did you pay your taxes? Then you are fucking funding TERRORISM! Plain and simple. You fly an American flag? Terrorist!! If you live in USA, you wouldn't understand. Most don't, anyway. What terrorist is making it hard for me to sleep at night? Are bombs and bullets ripping through my city? Nope. Is some poor 3rd world dirt farmer growing papaver somniferum to feed his family? Yes. Working in the hot desert sun all day, WITHOUT sun screen (what's that??!??) just to get a few bowls of grains and some veggies. Those goddamn terrorists. We should kill them for making heroin. Right?
Like someone else said, heroin is awesome. That's why it's popular. If you don't think it's popular, ask yourself, or google it, how many pharmaceuticals are made with or synthesized to recept as heroin? A fucking shit ton. And most are causing a worse epidemic than heroin itself.
(deep breath, and a sigh) I want to go on and on, but I know, tl;dr
To conclude: If my child grew up to dabble or do drugs, I'd rather her try some smokeable heroin, than oxycontin or opana.
Loved your post SD:) As far as kids using SR. Its not the easiest way to get drugs that's for sure! With living at home to getting wallet and BTC and all. I know they can and will but there are much easier and less expensive ways. The kids are the ones with all the good hookups! Remember!
As for your secrete life SD. I'm dating myself here but I have to full grown children who I have always been honest with them about my drug use, and they trust me and i trust them. Both have tired weed and neither use right now. They play a little but neither want to become their parent:) Thats how it works! peace
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Thanks Lilith2u.
I just realized I quotated the wrong person. I meant to quotate the OP. Ooops. lol.
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...swopping your money for drugs or a service / SR rather than government anyday -at least someone's worked for it rather than sitting on their arse playing accountant.
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Even a lot of (but by no means all...) LSD comes from organizations that are closer to bloods&crips than happy hippies. Not gonna give specific details though. Most mass produced drugs have a good chance of having their manufacture and initial distribution controlled by traditional drug trafficking organizations, and traditional DTOs tend to consist of violent people. You are going to be hard pressed to be involved with the drug trade without having mafia-esque gangs a few links away from you, unless you are buying stuff (like pot/shrooms) with much more distributed production. Almost all MDMA is made with chemicals supplied by Triads.
Of course this is entirely the governments fault. They create the market that allows this to happen, they fund all of these gangs and they fund the terrorists who profit from the drug trade. The gov and their friends profit, the gangs profit, everyone else gets fucked and innocent people get trapped in the cross fire.
Exactly. The largest gang in the world is LE. The Biggest cartels are Pfizer and such. Dont get it all twisted up, thats the real. Pfizer and their goons, LE, are the governments 'authorized' cartels.. while cocaine and heroin are simply the regular old simple peasant folks 'cartels'.. Why do you think they work so hard to aerially irradicate marijuana, cocaine and heroin with companies like monsato?
The reason im saying *bullshit* to most of this post is because SR does cut out most of the despicable part of either of the governments or the peasants cartel's operations. Want some pain medicine? Well, go to the Doctor (another government monopoly) get a prescription (if you can), go to the pharmacy (another government cartel) and get it filled (if they got it, sometimes they dont) and pretend like you didnt just fill the governments goons pockets paying 100x what it costs to manufacture. Or go to the vendors here and skip all that bullshit cause a few people figured out how to circumvent that and TAKE THE MONEY THE GOVERNMENT CARTEL WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THEM. How about some cocaine? Well, head on down to the basketball courts, the local bar or call up some mofo who thinks their some kinda gangsta and try your luck... or just come here to vendors who handle all that for you... no need to risk your life for a 8ball here and just think how much nicer your local neighborhoods would be if all the wanna-be gangsters in your area didn't have a market cause everyone ordered online.
Attempting to say SR is contributing to the problem is like saying an ER doctor contributed to a car accident victims death. SR is the result of a need to rectify a terribly out of line situation created by generations of greed and heartessness... sometimes you have to make lemonade with lemon you know. This phenomenal eventuality is just another example of the progress technology offers our society and the hope that it gives for our future... technology is growing faster than the old guard can legislate, therefore its actually in the peoples hands rather than under the control of the few elite.
Yeh I feel ya on the kid stuff but my position is do what we can about it and move on. Especially in the medias eyes. We cannot lack vigilance in that department or we'll be crucified by them. When someone is discovered to be a too immature to be involved in these matters, remove them and move on. Its as simple as it is in real life. The important thing is to not ignore it or pretend that "theres nothing we can do..."
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Attempting to say SR is contributing to the problem is like saying an ER doctor contributed to a car accident victims death. SR is the result of a need to rectify a terribly out of line situation created by generations of greed and heartessness... sometimes you have to make lemonade with lemon you know. This phenomenal eventuality is just another example of the progress technology offers our society and the hope that it gives for our future... technology is growing faster than the old guard can legislate, therefore its actually in the peoples hands rather than under the control of the few elite.
Yeh I feel ya on the kid stuff but my position is do what we can about it and move on. Especially in the medias eyes. We cannot lack vigilance in that department or we'll be crucified by them. When someone is discovered to be a too immature to be involved in these matters, remove them and move on. Its as simple as it is in real life. The important thing is to not ignore it or pretend that "theres nothing we can do..."
Well said! There is always something you can do (other than complain) its a matter of if you chose to do it. And not everyone will do it the same way since we all see things a bit differently.
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i've done both cocaine and Heroin. i disliked them so much that there's no way i will ever be addicted to them. so your argument there is gone. Also if amerkan govt. gave its citizens the rights to grow and manufacture these substances themselves, there would be no supporting of "terrorist" cartels, because we would all be our own suppliers; as gawd himself intended.
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There is a simple answer to "the dark side" - make drugs legal, like repealing prohibition. (Sorry for what this would do to Silkroad.) It's not the dark side of Silkroad. It's the dark side of the way our government works. Create a war on something and use that to fund a new version of a military-industrial complex. The playbook is pretty clear, and Obama's in on it too.
I like the Dark Side of the Moon much better.
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Exactly: a lot more 'children' are going to die because of the war on drugs, than because of any minute buys on SR. The countless deaths and ruin of lives from Chicago down to southern Argentina because the US doesn't have enough balls to realize we are--once again--fighting a war we absolutely cannot win, and force other countries under our sway to go along with our bullshit.
All those deaths down in Juarez--to take one small example--aren't happening because there are so many drugs around: thy are all happening because the United States continues to enforce an insane prohibition policy, now finally ruining Mexico, the same way we crushed Colombia.
Legalize this stuff. Ever since the Harrison Act the US has persisted in the nauseating moralism that they can criminalize what people do with their bodies. Hasn't worked yet, think it's going to work, what, in the next century? All we do is cause more death and misery among the poor people of this world, and increase the hatred for the United States. We were once seen as the 'good guys' but that was a long long time ago.
As if Silk Road did anything but help a few of us get that which we desire and need to make life worth living. SR isn't the problem: they are part of the solution. You want your kids to stay off drugs: then make a sane and good world for them, hell, take your kids to a ball game, play with them: mine never did, they were too busy getting drunk. I picked up heroin in one of our useless wars, and haven't been able to shake it yet, probably never will, best I can tell. I'd get on heroin maintenance, if they'd only allow it here...instead I get to see countless jails and a couple of prisons, thanks to the U.S.'s useless mean drug policies....
But anyway, Silk Road are my heroes, let them prosper!
There is a simple answer to "the dark side" - make drugs legal, like repealing prohibition. (Sorry for what this would do to Silkroad.) It's not the dark side of Silkroad. It's the dark side of the way our government works. Create a war on something and use that to fund a new version of a military-industrial complex. The playbook is pretty clear, and Obama's in on it too.
I like the Dark Side of the Moon much better.
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The countless deaths and ruin of lives from Chicago down to southern Argentina because the US doesn't have enough balls to realize we are--once again--fighting a war we absolutely cannot win, and force other countries under our sway to go along with our bullshit.
Your mistake is in thinking that the government actually wants to win the war. That type of thinking is for the commoners and is the product of propaganda. The real goal of war is of course money. If you win the war there is nothing left to fund. Government doesn't want to win the war on drugs, they want to make a profit. To understand this you need to realize that the government doesn't actually spend money fighting wars, they take your money and fund themselves and call this action "fighting a war" , usually against something that they have demonized via propaganda campaigns (as in drugs) or greatly blown out of proportion (for example terrorism). It is quite the sophisticated conspiracy, and some of them certainly drink their own kool aid. But when there is evidence supporting something, when a rational mind can see something, you just must come to the conclusion that people who pretend otherwise are either mentally defective or willing participants in the conspiracy. I pity some of them because much like religious people exposed to a religion since birth, it makes them extremely uncomfortable to question obvious fallacies even when there is enormous evidence that discredits their beliefs. People have a much easier time accepting previously believed lies than adopting new truths. The sociology of the war on drugs[etc] and government control is really quite amazing.
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The countless deaths and ruin of lives from Chicago down to southern Argentina because the US doesn't have enough balls to realize we are--once again--fighting a war we absolutely cannot win, and force other countries under our sway to go along with our bullshit.
Your mistake is in thinking that the government actually wants to win the war. That type of thinking is for the commoners and is the product of propaganda. The real goal of war is of course money. If you win the war there is nothing left to fund. Government doesn't want to win the war on drugs, they want to make a profit. To understand this you need to realize that the government doesn't actually spend money fighting wars, they take your money and fund themselves and call this action "fighting a war" , usually against something that they have demonized via propaganda campaigns (as in drugs) or greatly blown out of proportion (for example terrorism). It is quite the sophisticated conspiracy, and some of them certainly drink their own kool aid. But when there is evidence supporting something, when a rational mind can see something, you just must come to the conclusion that people who pretend otherwise are either mentally defective or willing participants in the conspiracy. I pity some of them because much like religious people exposed to a religion since birth, it makes them extremely uncomfortable to question obvious fallacies even when there is enormous evidence that discredits their beliefs. People have a much easier time accepting previously believed lies than adopting new truths. The sociology of the war on drugs[etc] and government control is really quite amazing.
Well said. Vietnam, war on poverty, war on drugs, war on terror, Afghanistan. None are winnable, by definition. Since WWII we have not entered a winnable war. But the wars do create wonderful fears in the population that lead to massive funding.
And now for a little wisdom from the dark side and the light side.
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--Ben Franklin
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And that's just the tip of the iceberg kmfkewm. Were living in a time in America "where every thing you know is wrong"
The banks, the justice dept, the bloated DHS getting bigger a scarier everyday. Their making up the laws as they go along too. I wouldn't put to much faith in your fate, if your poor and have to use a public defender.
I wonder what they could spend that money on that there using to spy and control us? Say infrastructure
( I live in a major city and the roads look like shit......pot holes not getting filled anymore) not to mention bridges and i wont even get started on all the out of seismic date NP Plants past their the expected life time.
I often tell my sons this isn't the America i grew up in. They used the excuse of Sept 11 to dominate us even further threw fear and then financial collapse, A Shock Doctrine.....get used to less and less privacy. I mean if you don't have anything to hide then we all should be OK. right? All that nasty stuff there doing is just to catch "the bad guys." Hey man you have to cast a wide net to get the evil doers! Some peoples rights and property are going to get seized accidentally, but hey! this is a "war on drugs" ( and anything else we can be frightened of). If we sit back and allow our government the right to call people no different than us terrorist!
Then how soon do you think they will use those very tactic's on us......night raids, drones. mass arrest. Oh wait ......all that and more happen every second of every keystroke..... like James Bamford says in the latest Wired........be careful what you say! Sleep well if you can! ha! its no wonder we want to buy drugs for Christ sake! Peace and good will even to the very people I'm ranting about reading these forums. Monitoring the Masses, just like all the other Bad Guy countries we support
Its easy to watch it happen afar but now its come home...........there watching! there waiting! there getting ready! so should we
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"And this is what should be fought: a future of hunger, forced migration, and thinly disguised slave labor. Not the drug war. For the drug war--as designed, waged, and imposed on other nations by the U.S. government--is not a war of political beliefs, or manifestos and declarations, a war for homeland, defense of nation, or liberation. The drug war is a proxy war for racism, militarization, social control, and access to the truckloads of cash that illegality makes possible. The drug war itself is a violent criminal enterprise. To stand by and watch it rage is to step inside the silence that hangs over every anonymous death, bow our heads, and wait our turn."
--To Die in Mexico: Dispatches from Inside the Drug War by John Gibler
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Saying DPR is coming off as some kind of savior, well, he did design this place. It's outlasted OVDB and I think it's more successful than BMR.
Is this place "heaven sent?" Maybe not, but it kicks the ass out of any other illegal drug distribution system.
DPR deserves some pretty big kudos for creating this place, and if he's an idealist, well, fine... it's his fucking road! It's his company, let him run it! I guess, as on any pirate ship, some folks think mutiny is a good thing.
Kids? Well, the whole point of anonymity is to remain anonymous. I like to think most sellers would refuse to sell to a kid if they knew he/she was a kid. Unfortunately, the only and best way to keep drugs out of the hands of children, is to legalize and regulate the products, like we've done with alcohol and tobacco.
So even in THAT perfect world some kids will still succeed in their mission to get high as fuck, as they succeed to get smokes and drink their faces off.
Without the road, kids not only can get anything, they can also get things they didn't want in the first place. My first "drug buy" as a kid was for a gram of weed. The guy showed up with four hits of acid instead. I only ever wanted to try organic drugs, and wound up dropping acid because it was all he had and I was reassured by peer pressure that it was ok to try.
It was fucking GREAT, as it turns out, but it illustrates the gateway to harder drugs is actually illegal dealers, and not any drug itself.
Here, you get what you pay for, 99% of the time. 100% if you avoid scammers.
The vendors are knowledgeable about their products, and you don't have to leave your home. Product is usually decent, and it is reviewed by peers, allowing you to check it out before you buy. What's better than that?
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Hi, me again. I have to say that all of your very thought provoking and insightful replies have made me rethink my viewpoint. Maybe its truly not the dark side of silk road I have a problem with, but the dark side of drug use and the drug trade. I myself have to step back and look at the big picture.
I can't blame DPR for bringing out his positive views of Silk Road. After all he is the proud 'parent' of his 'child' Silk Road. I think if I was in his shoes, I would do the same thing. Try to put forth that same view.
I think what was truly bothering me was the inherent fear and paranoia of drug use itself: the lying, the hiding, the 'double life', the shame. This life of trying to buy illegal drugs online. I think your posts have made me realize its not silk road that's to blame. It is something bigger and more deep. It is societies, it is governments, it is social orders and laws, those are the 'something' bearing down on drug use and the drug trade.
I feel after some soul searching I have to take a break from Silk road and drug use. Call me a quitter if you must. But I must thank you out there for sharing your viewpoints, You have made me look both outward and inward. I might come back someday, but part of me hopes I don't . I will leave this thread open if you wish to continue the discussion. So the dark side may not be Silk Road, but just illegal drugs in general. Take care and enjoy your lives whether on drugs or not.
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Best wishes, and thankyou for a very thought-provoking thread. And I've taken off myself, for similar reasons, and just now came back. Take care... :)
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Let me start by saying this forum account I am using is a sock puppet of a buyer account. I am using it because I am scared of results of criticism towards being black listed by fellow buyers or vendor accounts of Silk Road. I have bought items from Silk Road in the past, and will try to continue to buy items in the future. Some out there may see this account as being some LEO, government, troll, organized criminal, christian fundamentalist group, or maybe even a drug rehab center member. I am none of those. Please put your tin foil hats away.
After reading over Dread Pirate Robert's 'chat' comments I am struck by how much he sees himself as some heroic liberator, bringing drug safety and access to the masses. But I think he tends to 'gloss over' or ignore some fundamental negatives and drawbacks of Silk Road and its impact. I must admit the positive aspect of "seeming" to remove the oppression of street level crime of buying dangerous or unknown products. The danger of under cover LEO busting the buyer or seller. The possible crimes of drug territory disputes or the possibilities of being robbed from seller or buyer on the street. But How far removed is Silk Road from criminal organizations and corruption really?
Take the examples of two of the most expensive and addictive substances on silk road: heroin and cocaine. Where do you think the vendors on silk road get them from? Where do you think ultimately their supply comes from? I can tell you they are not making them from a personal field in the backyard or garage. The vast criminal organizations produce them and transport them. They are getting them from the very organizations that Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against. The vendors buy them from suppliers, and so the money flows right back into corrupt and criminal hands. Silk Road is in bed with the criminals , make no mistake.
Even with the example of the growing illegal use of prescription drugs, who produces these drugs? The supply comes from governments or medical drug companies. Again the money flows back to them from Silk Road vendors. Again something Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against, but whoops another bed.
Dread Pirate Roberts claims to be some small operative rebel group, but for all we know he could be a front for a criminal organization himself, or at very least 'aligned' with corruption and criminals instead.
Now there are some substances on Silk Road that can come small local sources for vendors such as weed or mushrooms. Those don't seem to have that "kick back" money to the suppliers at least. But the bigger amounts of drugs or more potent drugs must have a money connection to supply.
Finally I want to end with looking at the elephant in the room of children having access to dangerous drugs. Now granted I use the term 'children' as meaning something maybe 14 years to 17 years old. A smart child maybe able to get on younger even if an older friend or relative helps. There is no control for this what so ever given the nature of silk road. So we all have to throw up our collective hands and say, 'screw it they would get the drugs anyway'. Really people? Really? Do those of you with children, you want them to get drugs from silk road? Those of you with younger relatives? Those of you who might have children in the near future? I hope Dread Pirate Roberts can sleep at night knowing that some 15 year could overdose, or start a lifelong addiction from drugs he helped facilitate. How much of a liberator or hero will he feel then?
He claims to free and liberate people on drugs, but all he could be doing is enabling another form of slavery with death and addiction. And that is the dark side of silk road.
Actually I think that you're over thinking this , the under lining principle is " let people do what they wish with their own bodies/time/money"
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Hi, me again. I have to say that all of your very thought provoking and insightful replies have made me rethink my viewpoint. Maybe its truly not the dark side of silk road I have a problem with, but the dark side of drug use and the drug trade. I myself have to step back and look at the big picture.
I can't blame DPR for bringing out his positive views of Silk Road. After all he is the proud 'parent' of his 'child' Silk Road. I think if I was in his shoes, I would do the same thing. Try to put forth that same view.
I think what was truly bothering me was the inherent fear and paranoia of drug use itself: the lying, the hiding, the 'double life', the shame. This life of trying to buy illegal drugs online. I think your posts have made me realize its not silk road that's to blame. It is something bigger and more deep. It is societies, it is governments, it is social orders and laws, those are the 'something' bearing down on drug use and the drug trade.
I feel after some soul searching I have to take a break from Silk road and drug use. Call me a quitter if you must. But I must thank you out there for sharing your viewpoints, You have made me look both outward and inward. I might come back someday, but part of me hopes I don't . I will leave this thread open if you wish to continue the discussion. So the dark side may not be Silk Road, but just illegal drugs in general. Take care and enjoy your lives whether on drugs or not.
So I guess the point of this whole thread is that some people can not handle their drugs. But Good luck and godspeed OP. Got to admit it was all a good read and something to think about. ::shrug:::
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Shut the f**k up about children getting drugs. we have the oldest fucking 'children' in the world. 18 year old adolescence, purpose they get their hands imbedded in a venture and import some commodities - at least this would engage them, oppose to rotting away in prison, cough* school**. and it'd be better preparation for them to being successful, than any senior project a public school can offer.
Now let me ask you this, what about the benefits. these children never have to get robbed, or scammed in real life and feel like a sucker. That is surely better than the streets.
Anyways the casualty of a 14+ year old getting cocaine is no where near close to the destruction governments do, so start at gov if u really care about people u damn fool. then this SR wouldn't be necessary assh0le.
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good point.
How about some cocaine? Well, head on down to the basketball courts, the local bar or call up some mofo who thinks their some kinda gangsta and try your luck... or just come here to vendors who handle all that for you... no need to risk your life for a 8ball here and just think how much nicer your local neighborhoods would be if all the wanna-be gangsters in your area didn't have a market cause everyone ordered online.
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Yeah, honestly going through everything online through SR is just in so many ways better than the real world where we face so much more danger..
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Like the OP I created this sock puppet account.
But I am 17. I have been using SR for sometime now-- I do not do meth, crack, etc. I have only tried weed, shrooms, salvia, and ecstasy (xtc twice by personal choice though I dont plan to use it again)
My parents are aware I smoke and they have always been very open with me about drugs, sex, yada-yada. They prefer I stay home and get high than run the street with friends.
As for SR it is one of the best things I've discovered. Before my knowledge of it I payed rip off prices to half ass dealers who provided mediocre services. These dealers were the same ones who threatened me because I counted wrong and accidently shorted them $5. Though they were probably just showing off their "authority".
On SR I feel safe from being jumped or anything like it. I know the product isn't spiked, reviews let me know who is honest, and I pay roughly 1/2 the street price.
I have no inclanation to try harder dugs
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Hi, me again. I have to say that all of your very thought provoking and insightful replies have made me rethink my viewpoint. Maybe its truly not the dark side of silk road I have a problem with, but the dark side of drug use and the drug trade. I myself have to step back and look at the big picture.
I can't blame DPR for bringing out his positive views of Silk Road. After all he is the proud 'parent' of his 'child' Silk Road. I think if I was in his shoes, I would do the same thing. Try to put forth that same view.
I think what was truly bothering me was the inherent fear and paranoia of drug use itself: the lying, the hiding, the 'double life', the shame. This life of trying to buy illegal drugs online. I think your posts have made me realize its not silk road that's to blame. It is something bigger and more deep. It is societies, it is governments, it is social orders and laws, those are the 'something' bearing down on drug use and the drug trade.
I feel after some soul searching I have to take a break from Silk road and drug use. Call me a quitter if you must. But I must thank you out there for sharing your viewpoints, You have made me look both outward and inward. I might come back someday, but part of me hopes I don't . I will leave this thread open if you wish to continue the discussion. So the dark side may not be Silk Road, but just illegal drugs in general. Take care and enjoy your lives whether on drugs or not.
I think what's bothering you is the dark side of human nature. The drugs are quite benign.
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Get over it SR is here to stay....
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how the fuck cares. people have been doing drugs way before silkroad and will be long after. if you cant handle this site i would suggest logging off please.
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Mr. Watch Out,
I really don't think anyone is under the illusion that SilkRoad is helping prevent organized crime, or that their drugs are coming from thin air, or some magic heroin or cocaine tree.
Also, the same argument for "kids" getting a hold of drugs from SilkRoad is: keep a better eye on your kids. I can't stand these parents that don't notice that their kid did heroin until it's too late. WTF were you doing instead of parenting? You didn't notice ANY warning signs that your kid might be interested in drugs? Where did your kid get the money to pay for heroin, his paper route?
And yes, you are a hypocrite if you use silkroad at all, even for little things that you think aren't that big of a deal. I just hope you don't narc everyone out if you get too fucked up or busted.
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Watch out said in his/her 3rd post in this thread that they left silk road,perhaps for good. I guess they could still be lurking in forums, but sounds like they wanted to leave the whole illegal drug scene and go straight. Just saying you might be talking to dead air. And dead air ain't got much to say back...... "hello dead air, how are you?"..............yep. lol.
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Silk Road is in bed with the criminals , make no mistake.
Make no mistake, if you buy or sell on SR you YOURSELF are a criminal.
I hope Dread Pirate Roberts can sleep at night knowing that some 15 year could overdose, or start a lifelong addiction from drugs he helped facilitate. How much of a liberator or hero will he feel then?
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ogp5s/
He claims to free and liberate people on drugs, but all he could be doing is enabling another form of slavery with death and addiction. And that is the dark side of silk road.
While I cannot speak for him, I think his point is that anyone should be able to make their own choices in life. The gov cannot tell you what you can/cannot do with your body.
Either you accept total freedom, and all the dangers that come with it, or you accept being controlled by an outside source.
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Yea because kids these days cant get drugs.
WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING CHILDREN!!!!
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Hi, me again. I have to say that all of your very thought provoking and insightful replies have made me rethink my viewpoint. Maybe its truly not the dark side of silk road I have a problem with, but the dark side of drug use and the drug trade. I myself have to step back and look at the big picture.
I can't blame DPR for bringing out his positive views of Silk Road. After all he is the proud 'parent' of his 'child' Silk Road. I think if I was in his shoes, I would do the same thing. Try to put forth that same view.
I think what was truly bothering me was the inherent fear and paranoia of drug use itself: the lying, the hiding, the 'double life', the shame. This life of trying to buy illegal drugs online. I think your posts have made me realize its not silk road that's to blame. It is something bigger and more deep. It is societies, it is governments, it is social orders and laws, those are the 'something' bearing down on drug use and the drug trade.
I feel after some soul searching I have to take a break from Silk road and drug use. Call me a quitter if you must. But I must thank you out there for sharing your viewpoints, You have made me look both outward and inward. I might come back someday, but part of me hopes I don't . I will leave this thread open if you wish to continue the discussion. So the dark side may not be Silk Road, but just illegal drugs in general. Take care and enjoy your lives whether on drugs or not.
Wow: and you were a senior member, a vendor, and a buyer here on Silk Road? Sounds like you've done a 360 degree personality change! You had no problem slinging drugs under your vendors account. Now you are 'born again'? You see 'the Light' and 'the error of your ways', etc.. ad nauseum.'Save the Children' my ass: your 'Holier than Thou' sign off here sounds like the bad conscience of an informant/snitch and I am just letting you know that many of us remaining 'old school' folk don't take too kindly to being 'played'. Just a friendly reminder: snitches/traitors are the lowest lifeforms on the planet. I am not saying you are one, but if you do turn out to be one I swear you'll be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life. Punk ass bitch.
So take your your insincerity and fake identities elsewhere. Good riddance you worthless motherfucking 'sock puppet'.
p.s. YOU actually described YOURSELF as a 'sock puppet'? ROFLMAO!!!
What are you: in kindergarten?
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sock puppet is internet speak for a fake account.
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sock puppet is internet speak for a fake account.
Thanks for the reminder bro.. but it's just the fact that someone would even confess that they have been totally fake or 'undercover' on a site that is based on TRUST just speaks to their character deficiency. I just found his confession so fucking despicable . If I ever do something that pathetic please just put me out of my misery with a bullet to the back of my skull.
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<sigh>
I feel like I'm passing through the history of Pine Philosophy here. I remember thinking and believing pretty much everything everybody's posted in this thread, obviously at different stages of my life.
On the unimportant subject of whether DPR has a ego. Duh. You have to believe in yourself and an ideology in order to accomplish great things. Everybody has this. Everybody wants to believe they are unique, special. Pine does this. You do this. Everybody does. Actually that is true no matter what you achieve or don't. It's not that important though. Everybody yearns for a higher purpose in life, that's why science, religion, art and philosophy exist. I call that ambition, others call it conceit when it fails or doesn't quite live up to expectations. I think they miss the point.
Out of all things posted, my perspective today is closest to the sentiments of SuperDimitri. Morality so subjective when you look at the practical effects. People would rather die than change their mind set (set of concepts in their mind). In fact, they do.
I broadly agree with kmf, but in a less dystopian way, I don't see it as being that orchestrated even if people attempt to make it so. kmf, maybe you need more sunlight, feminine comforts and kittens in your life ;-) <insert sarcastic/cynical remark here>
On the other hand, a lot of people fall prey to parnassusian views of what is possible. MDMA, LSD, they, ah, don't show you the real world so much as a one sided version of it. Reminds of me extrapolating investment compounded returns when I was kid, nothing is so straight forward. Competition and contradictions exist. There is nothing wrong with violence and conflict. They are as much part of the human race as love and friendship. Is killing people wrong? It's like asking what the smell of yellow is. It depends. I mean, if you try to kill me, pine, I will think you are evil and attempt to murder you first. I am not a relativist when that happens! But at the same time, it's absurd to think that globally, generally, X is wrong and Y is right. You would have to be omniscience to know that, you're unintentionally claiming god-like powers there.
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On the persistently occurring subject of 'cartel-bashing' or 'mafia-bashing'. This isn't that smart. Some of you guys are watching too much bad daytime TV and absorbed more fiction about organized crime than fact. Sure cartels kill people. Duh. But did you ever consider that a motley crew of thousands of small gangs are far more violent in reality? Did you ever consider that 'protection', actually serves a legitimately useful function in society, especially those without a functioning police force or legal institutions.
Remember The Leviathan (the book that invented the concept of modern state). A centralized authority with a monopoly on coercion generally *reduces* the overall rate of violence in society. The external rate of violence within the region/domain of that centralized authority does increase. e.g. inter-state wars, mafia wars. But internally, the rate of violence dramatically declines.
Yes, state violence has characterized the 20th century. But ironically, this was also in per capita terms, the least violence century in history. There are a lot of similarities here to how markets create externalizes that are negative e.g. toxic waste dumping in countries that can't stop it, having lead in Chinese children's milk etc.
Yet the massive powers of internal efficiency inside markets are so enormously powerful that markets are literally the engine of the human race. They are our greatest tool and weapon, even if they are abused. The capitalists make the tool operate, the socialists try to ensure the tool doesn't start telling the operator what to do. So they both have a function even if I hate those commie bastards and I gotta accept that.
The Silk Road will kill people. That's just a matter of time. That is a foregone conclusion and DPR's cross to bear if you think of it in those terms. And that is completely irrelevant. Look at the opportunity costs to *not* using the Silk Road. Bad dope, less regulated marketplaces will kill far more people than DPR's system. This is a more efficient way, and that is all there is to it. Globalization destroys people's lives, jobs. But the net result is positive on balance. It might be evil for you, and good for the world or visa versa.
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it always comes down to the children....the stupid, stupid children. parents should parent their kids and then maybe they wouldn't be dumb enough to order heroin at the age of 14. but don't lie to them either. heroin is awesome. it's that simple. it's popular for a reason. and kids will find that out through two different ways: by personal experience, or by the parent telling/educating them. which would you prefer? at least with the second option, you can expand on the reasons as to why it's awesome and why people continue using even at the risk of addiction. educate your children about the pros and cons of such drugs, without the bullshit, so when they are old enough and encounter these substances in the real world (everyone does as some point. it's inevitable), they have the knowledge to make their own personal decisions - instead of going in blind with no knowledge at all.
education will always work better than a complete ban, personal/state prohibition, and propaganda lies.
oh, and OP, you do realize that a kid can buy literally *anything* from the internet - and by "the internet", I mean the fucking internet! Silk Road is just one grain of a sand on a very large coastline beach.
so don't blame the Road for potential personal problems one may - or may not - even encounter.
Nicely done +1
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I would agree, the dark side to silk road is not a product of the road, but the dark side of society itself. Kids will always be able to get their hands on liquor, tobacco and drugs. It's in our nature to experiment... and some of us (likely any of you reading this) are a little more adventurous than the average person.
I think even if drugs were legalized SR would still be a good place to come... only you could use your credit card or PayPal, and use overnight courier services.
The war has long been proven ineffective. In most western countries drug use is waaay up, and , crime is waaay down. The product of our high demand for drugs, legal and illegal is violence in third-world countries where they manufacture/supply some of the products. There is legal cocaine manufacture in some countries, and they export it to the big pharmas to make various medications. If this shit were legalized there would be no reason to shoot people, and it would be cheap enough that addiction would totally be more of a health issue than a criminal one. That's what the legalized drug taxes would pay for... treatment and prevention.
I am very thankful for this place, and to DPR for creating it, this is unprecedented freedom in our time of struggle.
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SR is a good, normal, and natural progression, in the atmosphere of the drug world it is a breathe of fresh air. Now this air might seem polluted and smelly to you. But hey, what the fuck do you know!
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Oh yeah I almost forgot. FUCK THE KIDS. I was one.
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I suppose this was supposed to be a joke.
If you are not prepared to handle the implications of purchasing, distributing, or using any of the products available on silk road than I think its safe to say you have no business being on Silk Road.
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Just found this thread, a lot to read through.
To OP, ultimately we ALLLLLL contribute to the pain in the world. It's called capitalism. Or globalism.
Everyone who has a bank (banks crushh families), shops at walmart (slave factories??? with children????),
Or consumes like most US AMERICANS (severe depletion of planetary resources), Also add pretty much every huge major corporation!
Don't forget all the drugs the gov sells too! Don't forget the medical industry. Big pharma.
It's all capitalism folks. And some here have a decent stake in it. It's a fucking blessing for many ain't it? But you can't blame this place for a child ordering drugs and od'ing when most kids get oxy's and xannies from their parents med cabs.
This place is probably overall a much BETTER network than regular commerce... because many in these parts.... have... a.... fucking.... code.
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ITT druggies don't care about the children.
Everyone who comes to SR does it for one big reason - to buy drugs. Nobody roped them in here, everyone knew what they were doing (while sober, at least). As for the drug money funding FARC, Taliban, and the cartels - if that's a problem for you, then you may as well just stop voting and paying taxes, because every time Army kids blow someone's family away oversees, or a weak prisoner is getting raped and abused by a stronger one, that was your money at work supporting the System.
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If you are worried about your kids getting on here, get them Net Nanny. Vendors aren't baby sitters or social workers; they are drug dealers. Idk about "Dread Pirate" or whatever, but I don't think most the vendors on here are doing it to be a service to the community. They are here for money; regardless if it is legally earned money, stolen money, or lunch money. You are essentially in the projects of the internet.
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Why doesn't the government just start producing drugs... wouldn't that put all the criminal organizations out of business?
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Amazing that you can worry about Silk Road, when you have governments that keep sending people like me and other young men off to get their shit blown away in far off lands...go picket the white house...Silk Road is the only place I get any relief from the murderous crap the 'good guys' did to me. And just like Vietnam, you have a brand new 'heroin epidemic' getting started over in Afghanistan.
The only thing wrong with drugs is that somehow we got the insanely twisted notion that government can decide what we can put in our bodies. This same government doesn't mind exposing us to ied's and jerkoffs --who we aren't allowed to shoot-- holding ak47's and smirks, and then once you've fucked us up beyond all recognition, to send us home, where the only thing that fixes what is broken is serious narcotics.
What a joke. Fix the big problems, and leave the little ones alone. Silk Road isn't the 'Dark Side.' It's a small solution to it.
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People are going to buy drugs. Nothing will stop them.
You either let them deal in the streets with gangsters or they can buy online in safety.
This site also serves as a fact that attempt to control the population are meaningless. In the 21 century we no longer have to follow their rules and can openly buy/sell drugs and there's fuck all they can do about it.
So for that +111
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Truly. :)
"Real world" deals are/'can' be notoriously less safe, "if" common sense/industry-standard apps, ect are used online. And the international LE cooperation needed to take a GLOBAL Tor/GPG based site like SR down is truly 'unreasonable' for the forseeable future. In our opinion.
There are quite simply MUCH easier, much more ("obtainable") targets out there for them. Multiple DAILY
multi-ton H & C shipments/cartels at the Mexican border/street gangs, ect.
Although we are ALL "desirable" targets (buyers and vendors alike), we are still "unreasonable" target (budget wise, ect) for the foreseeable future and future LE budgets. Though tech is ALWAYZ changing, and we need updates to potential vulnerabilities in Tor, ect, to "truly" stay safe.
Cooperation from Hushmail/plain-text email, and other "real world" related issues are what contributed to the demise of
TFM, Webtryp, ect..
Hence, the community forums here (and elsewhere). :)
Just our opinion.
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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Why doesn't the government just start producing drugs... wouldn't that put all the criminal organizations out of business?
You're forgetting history. The British did do this before, it was called the Opium Wars, they were importing 1000 tons of opium per year into China every year in the early 1800s.
For comparison, the total world production of opium is about 8000 tons and as you'd imagine our populations are massively bigger. Drugs have been used by states as methods of social and political control since inception. In the case of the Chinese, I'm not sure how much sympathy I have for the anti-trade 1800 government. They crippled their own country. Many misguided ideas about reality continued until the Japanese invasions, a major wake up call. And then they fell prey to communism... China has been it's own worst enemy for over 2 centuries, and only snapped out of it lately.
Today, drugs are infinitely more powerful than before. Today, I shudder to think what would happen if a government used a drug to exercise ideological control over its population. Drugs are only expensive because they are illegal or intellectual property. Xanax for example, is extremely cheap to produce, but is sold for 500,000% the cost of manufacture albeit that's an unusual example. You could stockpile enough LSD for the entire planet's population for the rest of the century if you only had the right people, equipment and materials for a month or two. If a government controls all drug manufacture, you'll eventually get a chemical dystopia.
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Let me start by saying this forum account I am using is a sock puppet of a buyer account. I am using it because I am scared of results of criticism towards being black listed by fellow buyers or vendor accounts of Silk Road. I have bought items from Silk Road in the past, and will try to continue to buy items in the future. Some out there may see this account as being some LEO, government, troll, organized criminal, christian fundamentalist group, or maybe even a drug rehab center member. I am none of those. Please put your tin foil hats away.
After reading over Dread Pirate Robert's 'chat' comments I am struck by how much he sees himself as some heroic liberator, bringing drug safety and access to the masses. But I think he tends to 'gloss over' or ignore some fundamental negatives and drawbacks of Silk Road and its impact. I must admit the positive aspect of "seeming" to remove the oppression of street level crime of buying dangerous or unknown products. The danger of under cover LEO busting the buyer or seller. The possible crimes of drug territory disputes or the possibilities of being robbed from seller or buyer on the street. But How far removed is Silk Road from criminal organizations and corruption really?
Take the examples of two of the most expensive and addictive substances on silk road: heroin and cocaine. Where do you think the vendors on silk road get them from? Where do you think ultimately their supply comes from? I can tell you they are not making them from a personal field in the backyard or garage. The vast criminal organizations produce them and transport them. They are getting them from the very organizations that Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against. The vendors buy them from suppliers, and so the money flows right back into corrupt and criminal hands. Silk Road is in bed with the criminals , make no mistake.
Even with the example of the growing illegal use of prescription drugs, who produces these drugs? The supply comes from governments or medical drug companies. Again the money flows back to them from Silk Road vendors. Again something Dread Pirate Roberts claims to fight against, but whoops another bed.
Dread Pirate Roberts claims to be some small operative rebel group, but for all we know he could be a front for a criminal organization himself, or at very least 'aligned' with corruption and criminals instead.
Now there are some substances on Silk Road that can come small local sources for vendors such as weed or mushrooms. Those don't seem to have that "kick back" money to the suppliers at least. But the bigger amounts of drugs or more potent drugs must have a money connection to supply.
Finally I want to end with looking at the elephant in the room of children having access to dangerous drugs. Now granted I use the term 'children' as meaning something maybe 14 years to 17 years old. A smart child maybe able to get on younger even if an older friend or relative helps. There is no control for this what so ever given the nature of silk road. So we all have to throw up our collective hands and say, 'screw it they would get the drugs anyway'. Really people? Really? Do those of you with children, you want them to get drugs from silk road? Those of you with younger relatives? Those of you who might have children in the near future? I hope Dread Pirate Roberts can sleep at night knowing that some 15 year could overdose, or start a lifelong addiction from drugs he helped facilitate. How much of a liberator or hero will he feel then?
He claims to free and liberate people on drugs, but all he could be doing is enabling another form of slavery with death and addiction. And that is the dark side of silk road.
you sound like that informant btcmachine and all pleasewatch out for him btcmachine is leo
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there is no dark side of SR ,its only bright light that can burn the goverment?the thing is how strong it is?
how strong bitcoin is? its us against the goverment ?what are you talking about? our goverments supports individual liberty but restrains them so SR is freedom..the point is how strong can it be?either by mail controlling mechanisms or tor network weaknesses... Dark side wtf...even if an underage buys from here he buys good quality he wont mess up his body from street adult dangerous drugs...I LOVE SR!!!heaven I am in heaven
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DPR is a liberator. Your talk is nonsense. A community like SR ensures that clean, high quality products are being distributed thanks to the rating system and our moderators. Much, much safer than anything you'll find on a street corner. There is no dark side. If an adult chooses to consume a substance that is his/her choice and right because it is his/her body, not the states. Like with anything else in this world (non-force of course) if you don't like it, don't participate. We are a free community here and are certainly open to other peoples views. But at the same time that freedom goes both ways. The right for you to throw your fist ends where my face begins.
Peace
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a little context ...
Although money laundering may occur through the private, business and banking sectors, the securities industry and governments are completely immune, by law, to money laundering. This is the place the richest people in the world play daily with their drug proceeds.
Government intelligence orgs import drugs, then sell to protected distribution systems, while the unprotected get targeted and busted by the DEA because they are competition. They also routinely set up busts for PR purposes to make the citizens worry about the drug "problem" and so the war on drugs looks like its doing something to protect them. Then those same governments fight a war on the very drugs against their own people they import. Its the same vicious circle of the criminal justice system where they create and need crime, then indoctrinate you to think they are fighting it. They need drugs and crime. It all about wealth, controlling you, and power. Specifically the British East India Trading Company, a British Royal Crown Company (owned by the Queen of England), of which the CIA and British Intelligence work for in their drug trafficing.
Anyone remember the Iran/Contra Drugs for Guns fiasco ?
Remember Mike Rupperts expose of the CIA's drug runnig operations ?
Remember Mena Arkansas when Clinton was Governor ? ... it was a huge distribution center!
Remember Afghanistan? The Taliban outlawed Opium growing and export under penalty of death for what the drug trade and usage was doing to their people...to protect their people. This made afghanistan go from number 1 in the world to the bottom. We are talking billions or trillions of dollars folks. They missed that revenue. Shortly thereafter we have a world wide war on terror and the first thing the new afghani government did was approve opium production which made afghanistan number one opium producer and exporter. I wont go into the oil pipeline from russia to the caspian sea or the regions only warm water port being a part of it because they are beyond the scope of this thread.
We know elites, governments and intelligence agencies traffic drugs for profit, but oh how quickly we forget, and many of us simply do not know our history!
Its all about wealth, control, and power.
Specifically taking yours for their own benefit, through their trafficing, dealing, distribution, and manufacture, then law enforcement.
So the banks, the elites, securities industry, and governments are fully protected and never prosecuted concerning drugs and their minions traffic them.
So please, stop listening to the conditioning and manipulative propaganda which only exist to control you, steal your wealth, imprison and to enslave us that keep us fighting each other instead of concentrating on reforms and education.
Do what you want to do but act responsibly.
Educate and parent your kids. If you allow them unfettered private access to devices and networked connectivity without supervision, you deserve whatever you get, unless you want the totalitarian tyrannical nanny state taking over for you.
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Hi, me again. I have to say that all of your very thought provoking and insightful replies have made me rethink my viewpoint. Maybe its truly not the dark side of silk road I have a problem with, but the dark side of drug use and the drug trade. I myself have to step back and look at the big picture.
I can't blame DPR for bringing out his positive views of Silk Road. After all he is the proud 'parent' of his 'child' Silk Road. I think if I was in his shoes, I would do the same thing. Try to put forth that same view.
I think what was truly bothering me was the inherent fear and paranoia of drug use itself: the lying, the hiding, the 'double life', the shame. This life of trying to buy illegal drugs online. I think your posts have made me realize its not silk road that's to blame. It is something bigger and more deep. It is societies, it is governments, it is social orders and laws, those are the 'something' bearing down on drug use and the drug trade.
I feel after some soul searching I have to take a break from Silk road and drug use. Call me a quitter if you must. But I must thank you out there for sharing your viewpoints, You have made me look both outward and inward. I might come back someday, but part of me hopes I don't . I will leave this thread open if you wish to continue the discussion. So the dark side may not be Silk Road, but just illegal drugs in general. Take care and enjoy your lives whether on drugs or not.
Heh, I guess I'm posting this quote again(I guess I'm bored too, LOL) to show further or future posters: OP is gone people. No point in keep ranting replies to the OP's first post
My view is that the OP was a paranoid suburban "soccer mom" (maybe college educated?) casual weekend toker/acid dropper who got illusions of grandeur of wanting to take SR down for the sake of her kids or something. She apparently re thought her methods after reading some replies, and scared herself into going straight, and left SR and the online drug scene. End of story as far as I can tell.
I guess I find it funny that people are reading the first post without going thru the whole thread, and wanting to rant back at someone who basically ran off and left SR. Congrats people you won, OP said she was wrong and left with tail between the legs, I guess, LOL.
Hmm maybe OP will read this and 'set me straight' ? But I doubt it....... :::shrugs:::
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OP, please drown yourself.
I can't fucking stand morality police. If people want to shoot heroin in their veins - LET EM!!
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Shipping drugs, domestically at least, is FAR safer than buying in the "real world", if done correctly. That means using only trusted vendors, GPG, ect.
SR does it's best to provide a TOR/GPG-based marketplace for the masses. And it has indeed started a revolution, compared to other "non-TOR based" forums from the past.
Every human being has the natural right to ingest whatever substance they feel, and do "whatever they choose" with their own body and mind. As long as they harm no others in the process.
The same goes for what "anyone" chooses to do, with mutual consent, in their bedroom.
It is a "self-evident" basic human right. Wherever drugs like H & C come from is dependent on how the War on Drugs progresses, and the policies of the nations enforcing these laws.
The supply chain is indeed an unfortunate current side-effect of the global drug supply. Although, this could realistically change with more progressive drug laws being enacted worldwide.
Peace.
The Flipside Crew
words of wisdom here. i agree man
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Some out there may see this account as being some LEO, government, troll, organized criminal, christian fundamentalist group, or maybe even a drug rehab center member. I am none of those. Please put your tin foil hats away.
Dread Pirate Roberts claims to be some small operative rebel group, but for all we know he could be a front for a criminal organization himself, or at very least 'aligned' with corruption and criminals instead.
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So your poop smells like flowers...because you say so. And DPR is Hitler...because you say so. Got it.
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OP is gone people. No point in keep ranting replies to the OP's first post
I guess I find it funny that people are reading the first post without going thru the whole thread, and wanting to rant back at someone who basically ran off and left SR.
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so funny! the only thing worse is getting really emotionally vested and typing out a long fucking response only to see that the person left and has not been back in months
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After reading over Dread Pirate Robert's 'chat' comments I am struck by how much he sees himself as some heroic liberatorht aaligned' with corruption and criminals instead.
good observation... i was starting to think that everybody were ruffians or naive in this comunity about dpr.
god bless dpr, but dpr isn't a god! c'mon.. and what about that last topic about "no legalisation, let's take drugs from internet" ? it could be credible if written by a person who doesn't earn all "that" money" from "internet"......
but... this:-------->
Finally I want to end with looking at the elephant in the room of children having access to dangerous drugs. Now granted I use the term 'children' as meaning something maybe 14 years to 17 years old. A smart child maybe able to get on younger bla bla...
is really... republican
...and naive :)
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I agree with a lot of what OP said. there is a very dark side to this place...
he's right about coke and heroin not being made in some guys backyard in rural british columbia....the business of getting heroin and cocaine made is ugly and victimizes everyone involved from the farmers all the way to the users. we're talking about bad folks here: FARC and Taliban. this is who you're supporting when you buy these particular drugs.
DPR is a very clever businessman, but he's a gangsta none the less. not a hero or great liberator or anything like that. just a man who ingeniously figured out a way to get people what they want and make an ass load of money in the process. organized crime has been using escrow for a loonnnnggg time because in every time and place theres some little weasel who'll perform dangerous transactions for a fee.
i like this place a lot, but it'd serve you well to not fully trust or venerate anyone on the darknet.
I've really got a lot of love for the community here, but lets not get deluded about a criminal businessman being our new messiah.
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I agree with a lot of what OP said. there is a very dark side to this place...
he's right about coke and heroin not being made in some guys backyard in rural british columbia....the business of getting heroin and cocaine made is ugly and victimizes everyone involved from the farmers all the way to the users. we're talking about bad folks here: FARC and Taliban. this is who you're supporting when you buy these particular drugs.
DPR is a very clever businessman, but he's a gangsta none the less. not a hero or great liberator or anything like that. just a man who ingeniously figured out a way to get people what they want and make an ass load of money in the process. organized crime has been using escrow for a loonnnnggg time because in every time and place theres some little weasel who'll perform dangerous transactions for a fee.
i like this place a lot,but it'd serve you well to not fully trust or venerate anyone on the darknet.
I've really got a lot of love for the community here, but lets not get deluded about a criminal businessman being our new messiah.
i'm agree with you :) 100%... and i would add that:
it'd serve you well to not fully trust or venerate
ANYONE!
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The same kid's on SR are the same kid's shooting the schools up..I mean come on dude I have 2 kids and I am very close to them so I am in tune with them if you will...parents should be parenting and if their not then they have to deal with consequences, by the way you do know there were kids doing drugs before SR and there will be kids doing drugs after SR
P.S. I bet your a republican...wake up and smell reality man and please keep your morals to yourself..I'm trying to buy drug's here for Pete's sake.
he has a few points, but.. the fact remains -- it is the job of the PARENTS (not us) to parent their children.
those among us who have children? it is THEIR responsibility, no one else's, to make sure children (ages 14-17) are responsible and educated with anything THEY CHOOSE to indulge themselves with.
Parental authority and supervision is not something you can simply gloss over. If parents are allowing their 13 year old son to steal 20 dollar bills and buy moneypaks at walgreens or kroger to buy bitcoins, and use those bitcoins to purchase things at silkroad..... those parents are highly neglectful. it isnt our fault, nor is it DPR's fault, that those children get on here.
silkroad isnt exactly easy to use, so the youngest of the children will NOT be capable of using silk road.
Those that CAN are probably mature enough to make their own damned decisions.
But in the end, the responsibility, blame, and liability is with the parents, and the parents ONLY. This goes for ANY website on the internet!
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Educate and parent your kids. If you allow them unfettered private access to devices and networked connectivity without supervision, you deserve whatever you get, unless you want the totalitarian tyrannical nanny state taking over for you.
EXACTLY!
Parent and educate your children yourself. Dont let Big Brother do YOUR JOB.
The State is not your Daddy, and certainly isnt your children's Daddy.
You MUST take responsibility for your own damned children. Because the nanny state WILL take over for you if you dont.
The State is more than happy to rip your children from you, steal them away, and slander you with every name in the book.
The State is more than happy to lock your children away, and deliberately disadvantage them in every possible way, just to make more money off the kids.
I know. I was there.
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Unless drugs are legalized/decriminalized there is no hope of ever taking the drug trade away from "terrorists and criminals."
Some fucker on FOX' website made a comment on a story about drug legalization saying basically he feared if drugs were legalized the criminals would just move from the street to the boardrooms.
Well, that would be a good thing. If you turn him into a pure businessman, he's not going to run into the boardroom like Tony Montana and wave around an AK. When liquor prohibition ended, the ones who ran the liquor had the connects and expertise to just kept getting rich. I don't see any Bronfmans running around with tommy guns in Montreal. Oh NO we're supporting former criminals every time we buy a drink.
To top this all off, blame the taliban all you want, they were the ones who destroyed the heroin trade in Afghanistan before all this 9/11 BS went down. The ONLY reason Afghanistan was invaded was to get at Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda because the taliban government wouldn' give him up. Even when afghan heroin wasn't flowing, nobody did without. Asian heroin became really big. There will always be someone to fill a demand.
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I read the whole thread and know the OP is gone, but I wanted to quote Helen Lovejoy from The Simpsons
Her moral convictions look to always defend the interests of the minors, which explains her famous catchphrase, delivered in times of civic crisis (moral or otherwise)
"Will someone please think of the children?" :P
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the only Dark Side I see....it's from the Moon! and it's by uncle Floyd ;D
Drugs will not go away period. it's time to educate our sons on how to live with them. They really need to understand the pros and cons.
just a personal opinion...