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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: NonaEnola6 on March 11, 2012, 12:23 am
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First of all, if you haven't read it, check this thread first:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=14812.0
As many of you know, DRamsterdam, the currently (last I checked) #1 seller on SR has recently shut down "temporarily" in order to "change locations." Strange, yes, but I can only imagine what goes into being the #1 seller, so I'm willing to let that slide.
However, assuming you've read the thread mentioned above, you'd know that at LEAST one of his packages has been intercepted, and the recipient convicted. I also saw another thread (not sure where) in which a person claims to have placed an order on the 24th of I assume last month and has yet to receive his order.
I too placed an order with DRamsterdam around such time, and have yet to receive my order as well.
These facts, coupled with the fact that his seller page is not only inactive but completely empty has left me quite anxious.
My theory, and I am very much a pessimist, is that he may have been discovered by authorities, and if they were smart, they could be using his account in order to take out some collateral on buyers.
My questions is this: is there any sort of protection provided by SR against such a ploy?
Also in this thread I'd like to hear what other people's opinions on the situation are. Hopefully the interception previously mentioned is a one-time occurrence, but assuming not, I wonder what this could mean for not only us individuals in jeopardy but for the future of SR.
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First of all, if you haven't read it, check this thread first:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=14812.0
As many of you know, DRamsterdam, the currently (last I checked) #1 seller on SR has recently shut down "temporarily" in order to "change locations." Strange, yes, but I can only imagine what goes into being the #1 seller, so I'm willing to let that slide.
However, assuming you've read the thread mentioned above, you'd know that at LEAST one of his packages has been intercepted, and the recipient convicted. I also saw another thread (not sure where) in which a person claims to have placed an order on the 24th of I assume last month and has yet to receive his order.
I too placed an order with DRamsterdam around such time, and have yet to receive my order as well.
These facts, coupled with the fact that his seller page is not only inactive but completely empty has left me quite anxious.
My theory, and I am very much a pessimist, is that he may have been discovered by authorities, and if they were smart, they could be using his account in order to take out some collateral on buyers.
My questions is this: is there any sort of protection provided by SR against such a ploy?
Also in this thread I'd like to hear what other people's opinions on the situation are. Hopefully the interception previously mentioned is a one-time occurrence, but assuming not, I wonder what this could mean for not only us individuals in jeopardy but for the future of SR.
No clue about DRamsterdam. Never ordered from the dude. Never planned to. I live in a country that's covered under the NAFTA agreement, so I source my pleasures from other NAFTA countries. NAFTA has been a godsend to the narco biz...
Likelihood of confiscation by customs depends on the package's origin and destination. Powers granted to LEOs vary greatly from country to country, so there's no hard and fast rule.
What's this talk of "conviction" of the poor fellow in your abovementioned thread? I know there was talk of a "bust", but I don't remember seeing "conviction". Either you're ignorant of the difference between being charged for a crime and convicted for a crime -- or you've tipped your hand and inadvertently released some info that no one else here has been privy to thus far. You could be a honeypot for gathering intelligence on his customers. You could have been the one convicted and given a lesser sentence by volunteering to ingratiate yourself with other members. On the other hand, you could just be misguided and paranoid.
The "protection" SR offers is plausible deniability. Public key encryption. A currency based on very difficult math which would be damn near impossible to explain to a jury. Encrypted and onion routed traffic. It isn't the technical elements I worry about -- it's the human ones. The human element is always the weakest. Why bother with the time and expense of computer forensics when you can exert your position of authority over a buyer who's easily intimidated and isn't smart enough to keep his/her mouth shut?
Without more information to do a post-mortem on this alleged bust, the whole thing smells like shit to me. Might be bullshit. Or the kind of foul odor that accompanies LEOs and their informants. Either way, debating the likelihood of being busted is silly and kills the signal to noise ratio. I prefer truth or careful conjecture to unfounded gossip. And the outcomes of the events you mentioned above are pretty obvious. As I said, smells like shit, so I won't participate any further in this particular conversation.
"NonaEnola" is an interesting name. Nona is the Roman goddess of pregnancy. And the Enola Gay dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. Maybe your intent is to birth a nuclear bomb onto SR. I'd almost say it sounds like a LEO op, but they're never that imaginative. Usually they call them "Operation Butt Hurt" or "Operation Busts Make My Dick Hard."
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First of all, if you haven't read it, check this thread first:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=14812.0
As many of you know, DRamsterdam, the currently (last I checked) #1 seller on SR has recently shut down "temporarily" in order to "change locations." Strange, yes, but I can only imagine what goes into being the #1 seller, so I'm willing to let that slide.
However, assuming you've read the thread mentioned above, you'd know that at LEAST one of his packages has been intercepted, and the recipient convicted. I also saw another thread (not sure where) in which a person claims to have placed an order on the 24th of I assume last month and has yet to receive his order.
I too placed an order with DRamsterdam around such time, and have yet to receive my order as well.
These facts, coupled with the fact that his seller page is not only inactive but completely empty has left me quite anxious.
My theory, and I am very much a pessimist, is that he may have been discovered by authorities, and if they were smart, they could be using his account in order to take out some collateral on buyers.
My questions is this: is there any sort of protection provided by SR against such a ploy?
Also in this thread I'd like to hear what other people's opinions on the situation are. Hopefully the interception previously mentioned is a one-time occurrence, but assuming not, I wonder what this could mean for not only us individuals in jeopardy but for the future of SR.
No clue about DRamsterdam. Never ordered from the dude. Never planned to. I live in a country that's covered under the NAFTA agreement, so I source my pleasures from other NAFTA countries. NAFTA has been a godsend to the narco biz...
Likelihood of confiscation by customs depends on the package's origin and destination. Powers granted to LEOs vary greatly from country to country, so there's no hard and fast rule.
What's this talk of "conviction" of the poor fellow in your abovementioned thread? I know there was talk of a "bust", but I don't remember seeing "conviction". Either you're ignorant of the difference between being charged for a crime and convicted for a crime -- or you've tipped your hand and inadvertently released some info that no one else here has been privy to thus far. You could be a honeypot for gathering intelligence on his customers. You could have been the one convicted and given a lesser sentence by volunteering to ingratiate yourself with other members. On the other hand, you could just be misguided and paranoid.
The "protection" SR offers is plausible deniability. Public key encryption. A currency based on very difficult math which would be damn near impossible to explain to a jury. Encrypted and onion routed traffic. It isn't the technical elements I worry about -- it's the human ones. The human element is always the weakest. Why bother with the time and expense of computer forensics when you can exert your position of authority over a buyer who's easily intimidated and isn't smart enough to keep his/her mouth shut?
Without more information to do a post-mortem on this alleged bust, the whole thing smells like shit to me. Might be bullshit. Or the kind of foul odor that accompanies LEOs and their informants. Either way, debating the likelihood of being busted is silly and kills the signal to noise ratio. I prefer truth or careful conjecture to unfounded gossip. And the outcomes of the events you mentioned above are pretty obvious. As I said, smells like shit, so I won't participate any further in this particular conversation.
"NonaEnola" is an interesting name. Nona is the Roman goddess of pregnancy. And the Enola Gay dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. Maybe your intent is to birth a nuclear bomb onto SR. I'd almost say it sounds like a LEO op, but they're never that imaginative. Usually they call them "Operation Butt Hurt" or "Operation Busts Make My Dick Hard."
The main reason I actually wanted to create this thread was more for discussing DRamsterdam rather than discussing the provided protections of SR, but what you said regarding SR was pretty much what I figured.
Also, I obviously mistyped when I wrote "conviction." I simply meant a "bust." In terms of legal terminology, I'm not very well learned I admit.
And you're right, the whole bust story may very well be bullshit, but I fail to see what anyone could hope to gain from posting a false bust. The only reasoning for doing such a thing that I could think of would be that (A) it's a competitor trying to scare people into not buying from the Dr anymore or (B) it's some anti-narcotic person or group trying to instil uncertainty into this new and potentially large drug-trafficking method. However, the more obvious answer to me at least seems that the OP is sincere.
Oh, and I am honestly very impressed by your analysis of my user name. Way to think on an imaginative and deep scale. I actually wish I had put forth such thought into the name. Sadly, that's not the case. Instead, read it backwards, ignoring the 6. I just like the number 6 :P
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Just to elaborate, formal charges have been laid, including an arrest....the conviction will inevitably follow.
As for DRAmsterdam, I didn't mention it to create a witchhunt, that's just who sent the package which was intercepted. But, I did see evidence of at least 1 other package of his being intercepted at the same time, this was verified by the fact the return sender address was the same.
I wasn't aware his site was temporarily down. I also have no reason to believe Customs are working with him from what I've seen. But, I don't know this for sure as they wouldn't have to declare this as part of their case.
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I stopped ordering from DrA not only because of product conditions but because of shipping conditions like..... 'Did this really get to me?' . IMHO he could have done more in terms of packaging, being the #1 AND being based in NL.
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The only reasoning for doing such a thing that I could think of would be that (A) it's a competitor trying to scare people into not buying from the Dr anymore or (B) it's some anti-narcotic person or group trying to instil uncertainty into this new and potentially large drug-trafficking method.
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(C) for da lulz
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I have an outstanding order from the Dr. As a resolution, before took his vacation he asked for an address again to do a reship. He was very professional. I obliged and finalized. Didn't see any reason not to with his rep. Taking longer than expected though, maybe he didn't get to send it off? If I receive it I will be sure to update.
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Just to elaborate, formal charges have been laid, including an arrest....the conviction will inevitably follow.
But, I did see evidence of at least 1 other package of his being intercepted at the same time, this was verified by the fact the return sender address was the same.
Of course it's always possible for LE to put the boot in either very strict or illegal methods, but the most likely thing is that they are trying to find the supplier, hence the heat.
On the topic of the return sender address being the same, how do you know?
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Well... Shit.
I had placed an order with Dr Amsterdam and had used the option to ship from Belgium he had. This was just before the mailing system on SR was bad and when I logged on, notice i was refunded for the shipping from Belgium. It took a while before I could send the msg asking why and was told it was an accident and he had processed it with the rest of his mail and it was shipped off from NL.
Needless to say I was not happy. I never wanted to order from NL and pretty much have resigned myself to the idea it will never get to the address. Its well over due. But reading the threads and now this I am now concerned for the people living at the address and that I may have resigned them to a bad situation. I don't live there you see. This just seems shitty. What makes it worse is the fact he hasn't logged on to answer any mail and with that type of insinuation of working with LE really makes me worried.
xLadyShhhx
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wonder why he hasnt opened shop up again yet? i had no troubles with my recent order from the doctor. (it actually got to the US faster than an order shipped the same day from canada from the NL) It seems strange that right after a batch of bunk tabs he goes on vacation and then doesnt come back when he says he will...strange days indeed
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He may be taking more time than he thought he was actually going to need. He might just be overdue because of the little things.
However, I do find the behaviour suspect. Even when I was on vacation for two weeks, where there was no internet access at the place I was staying, I still managed to log in to answer mail.
His profile states that he going to be closed but popping in to answer mail. He hasn't even logged on.
-Amush
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Explains a lot, thank you!
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It seems that DRamsterdam is back online - he says he is working through the messages he has. I suspect we will shortly hear what he has to say. Personally I am still waiting for a package to arrive after 2 weeks, keeping my fingers crossed!
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Hi Everybody im back online! Still on vacation mode. Going to work trough a shitload of messages and reorganizing my office and my listings. At the moment i cant find some proper lsd to buy so i only got some small stock of the shiva's.
Hope i will be back on normal mode next monday!
Sorry for the lack of comunication the last week but there was no safe way for me to go online and answer all the messages i rreceived.
Kind regards, the Dr.
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Hello,
I was pmed today by DrAmsterdam. He didn't even know what I had ordered from him(currently the order is in resolution) and right off the bat offered me 65%.
I still haven't received anything and am not pleased at all. If he did send it I understand there is a loss on his end, but there is also on mine hence why I would never order anything from NL. Thats just asking for a parcel to be opened in my country.
I was going to review his speed for the Amphetamines thread here on the forum.
xLadyShhhx
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Okay, so clearly DRamsterdam is back (hi btw) so I'm definitely less nervous. Still have yet to receive my order which I made in late Feb, but that's another story.
Anyway, if you request it DrA, I'll delete this thread. It still might have some relevance, what with River's acquaintance's current conundrum, but there's already a thread dedicated to discussing that.
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Hello Enola,
I rather you didn't. I find it rather enlightening how many people around the same time have ordered and not received anything.
I think if I had read that on the forums(because I didn't see anything like that on his review thread) I would have been far more informed as to how often him packages actually arrive. I could only find one other thread that had something in regard to DrAmsterdam and packages not arriving and that being a one off I kinda dismissed it as the buyer being whiney. I would really like to know how many people had ordered from him and not received anything cause that should be a real indication of something like bad packaging or something else.
xLadyShhhx
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Just to elaborate, formal charges have been laid, including an arrest....the conviction will inevitably follow.
As for DRAmsterdam, I didn't mention it to create a witchhunt, that's just who sent the package which was intercepted. But, I did see evidence of at least 1 other package of his being intercepted at the same time, this was verified by the fact the return sender address was the same.
I wasn't aware his site was temporarily down. I also have no reason to believe Customs are working with him from what I've seen. But, I don't know this for sure as they wouldn't have to declare this as part of their case.
i read your last post.
Are you saying your friend has been charged due to the package sent.
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his house got raided and he has drugs in there already which were found, and hes being charged for them.
if its the second option. thats not even that interesting really. We all know you can get raided and whatever they find your getting charged for. Now, if his house was clean and its the package hes getting caught for, that's more interesting. even still, we all know thats the risk were taking...
even so, as it was mentioned, hes just being charged. If he keeps his mouth shut, its not uncommon to have charges dropped somewhere along the line. SR gives a reasonable doubt against the prosecution and in your defense. That's all you need...
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Hi everybody!
I just worked trough all the messages sent to me the last 2 weeks. Ive sent everybody with a order who didnt came trough 65% refund. And even a 100% refund to ladyshhh beacuse i didnt shipped her order from belgium. And i asked her what she ordered becasue i didnt see the order in the rush i had answering every mail and question. I also find it very strange when i go offline for a longer periode then forseen suddenly a rise of 20 till 30% off orders dont come trough.... and people immediately start taking advantage off my absence and start asking 100% refund in the resolution center... I have to say that some people offered to send a % back.
Every order was send before i went offline.....
Listings will be back up monday!
Peace
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DrAmsterdam,
Just to let you know, if my order does arrive (and by god I hope it does), I'll be more than glad to give back whatever money you refund me. I'm making this public because I really hope it actually does work out.
Thanks for the understanding
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DrAmsterdam,
Just to let you know, if my order does arrive (and by god I hope it does), I'll be more than glad to give back whatever money you refund me. I'm making this public because I really hope it actually does work out.
Thanks for the understanding
Same here Doctor, i've put it into the resolution centre and will happily continue waiting. Things can take a while this side of the world. I really really really want them tho!!! Please mr mail man, bring me that package!!!
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This is a public statement,
For the order I asked for, I received 14,74 bitcoins, which indeed was a full refund from the Dr. If the package ever gets here I will be more than happy to give him his money back in full even though this whole things was rather stressful from the get go.
And if it does arrive I will tell because then it is not a matter of say bad packaging. What concerns me is that in my country all orders that are confiscated get a "love letter" by the police and depending on the amount, questioning. The fact I have not received on means it may still be in transit somewhere.
xLadyShhhx
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For the record:
I had an order from Dr. not arrive, and I waited too long to enter the resolution system so it auto-finalized. The Dr. was thus obligated to do nothing, but still gave a 65% refund when communications resumed and we were able to talk about it.
If the package does arrive (pretty unlikely at this point, it's been a while) I will absolutely return the refund because trust and honesty really is (don't laugh, it actually is) what keeps SR online. And if the package doesn't ever arrive, hey, the Dr. is still a good vendor in my book. There was absolutely no rule saying I was entitled to that refund once it autofinalized, yet it was still given in good faith. I still would order from the Dr. in the future (and hopefully the Dr. doesn't hold the sub-5/5 feedback I gave against me).
As for the story in that linked thread from the OP - it sounds less like a problem with the Dr. and more like the subject did several ill-advised things with several vendors and ignored several warning signs. Honestly, it seems like the person fucked up (we all can do that, so I won't get too judgmental here) and DrAmsterdam's package happened to be the last one he ordered, not the one that caused the bust. Bad luck.
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Hi everybody!
I just worked trough all the messages sent to me the last 2 weeks. Ive sent everybody with a order who didnt came trough 65% refund. And even a 100% refund to ladyshhh beacuse i didnt shipped her order from belgium. And i asked her what she ordered becasue i didnt see the order in the rush i had answering every mail and question. I also find it very strange when i go offline for a longer periode then forseen suddenly a rise of 20 till 30% off orders dont come trough.... and people immediately start taking advantage off my absence and start asking 100% refund in the resolution center... I have to say that some people offered to send a % back.
Every order was send before i went offline.....
Listings will be back up monday!
Peace
hi Dr. A,
I ordered a sheet from you and it never arrived - in the resolution center I opted to extend time but when the resolution period expired, SR Admins gave me a 100% refund (I did not ask for it). It still has not arrived, and during your absence I ordered from SKYY which arrived fairly quickly from NL. If the package does arrive (and is not bunk, as some have reported), I would be willing to send you the BTC. If it never arrives, no worries, - although I probably will not place another order.