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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: River on March 10, 2012, 03:22 am
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So "a friend of a friend of a friend" was recently busted due to a package sent from this website. He was getting it sent to his residential address using his own name. It was sent from the Netherlands from DRamsterdam. My friend was NOT the only person to get done that week for shipments from DRamsterdam, there is proof of others. It seems Customs intercepted a single package sent to him, and based on this small quantity got a search warrant, and turned up a few days later at his house.
The concerning aspect here is there was no warning, and there is enough evidence in the case to show Customs had no idea of any other deliveries. They subsequently found evidence of more deliveries he'd received upon execution of the search warrant.
Key point #1 - Customs in certain countries are flagging shipments coming from particularly known drug-countries such as Netherlands for special checking. All they need is a dog to nose it and suspect something, then they can open it.
Key point #2 - Customs in certain countries are more than happy to turn up on your doorstep with a search warrant based on interception of a single small package. No need for a controlled drop etc etc.
The outcome of the case is currently unknown. Obviously I don't want to get into specifics, but sufficed to say I am risking posting this on behalf of my friend as a warning to folks to NEVER be lax in how you handle this website, or how you handle the product. Don't keep packaging sitting around at your house for days. Don't get it sent to you from stupid obvious countries. The police don't neccesarly just need to find computer evidence of the shipment to proceed with a prosecution.
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What country are you guys from?
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PM me and I'll say. I don't want to say on here as it's an ongoing case, and there's a fairly reasonable chance this site is getting a good review from people involved.
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What product was your friend ordering? Was it bulk or small amount? and what country was it delivered to? More details could help other buyers here to stay safe.
I understand you probably can't answer those for your own safety. At least tell me if it was bulk or small amounts, as I understand it usually you just get a love letter from customs for small amounts.
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From what I understand, it was a personal amount send to a highly overzealous country, and NL is already flagged for major drugs and candyland. The combination of these two along with the country's overzealous laws resulted in assfuck.
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I dont understand how they were able to obtain a search warrant based on a package of drugs being delivered to him. Anyone could have sent it to him. Unless of coarse they had mroe evidence that he ordered the stuff. He could probobly sue who ever was responsible for issuing that warrant.
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once again, all the more reason to get things sent anonymously to a mail drop. especially international. it must have been a significant amount, otherwise, in the US at least, he/she would just have most likely just received a love letter...
i think, to an extent, this site has gotten a lot of folks to have a little more faith than they should in importing things. it's not for the average user. or at least ordering more often, or in amounts much larger than they otherwise should. if you plan on importing, you gotta truly be prepared, imo...itz not domestic...
and it sounds like customs had some tip off to those other other packages sent at the same time. like if they caught a group of packages being dropped off in the same box, even if only one of them perhaps showed any signs of containing goodiez. if they had the same return addy,fx, they could easily track them all...
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From what I understand, it was a personal amount send to a highly overzealous country, and NL is already flagged for major drugs and candyland. The combination of these two along with the country's overzealous laws resulted in assfuck.
Holly, could you share if it was US at least..from the sounds of it no..but still curious.
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No, but you should assume it could be the same situation in the near future when SR escalates higher than it already is.
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Yikes!
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Yikes!
How's your keyboard look brah?
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I dont understand how they were able to obtain a search warrant based on a package of drugs being delivered to him. Anyone could have sent it to him. Unless of coarse they had mroe evidence that he ordered the stuff. He could probobly sue who ever was responsible for issuing that warrant.
..unless its an established case and they are working on intel...without saying too much..
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Yikes!
How's your keyboard look brah?
They are more or less about right I guess..hehe..Yo Holly , thats the shit, I've done lots of silver..we called check, but even more white..I'm leaning heavily towards white..food for thought.
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Yikes!
How's your keyboard look brah?
They are more or less about right I guess..hehe..Yo Holly , thats the shit, I've done lots of silver..we called check, but even more white..I'm leaning heavily towards white..food for thought.
Its good stuff either way. :) Silver gives me this sensitive tingle in my pinky all the time that neither amber nor Swiss/needlepoint does.
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It seems Customs intercepted a single package sent to him, and based on this small quantity got a search warrant, and turned up a few days later at his house.
I doubt this, like someone else said, there was probably other intel, and investigation, surveillance, electronic or otherwise.
I wish your friend the best, sincerely. Fuck man . . .
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Am I the only one that feels this OP is suspect? Just the wording sounds strange. A friend of a friend of a friend? Seems doubtful. And how does he/she know that other people have been busted. Never heard of customs doing a bust. Forgive me If I'm wrong.
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It was 1 gram of Class A.
Also the Op isn't suspect, the Op is using ambiguous wording on purpose. You'll figure out why with a little thought.
I've seen ALL the evidence that the search warrant was based on, there was no Intel, no survelliance, no monitoring, and the Search Warrant was granted based on them finding this ONE package of 1 gram.
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well now i know a way to fuck up someone i dont like. wait til anon gets wind of this it wont be a 100 pizzas getting delivered to someones door now.
also can someone explain a mail drop to me? do you mean just ring to a mates house?
inb4 someone orders a key of coce to the white house
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Bare in mind this is all based on my country's laws...that doesn't mean the same thing could happen in the States.
Also, the search warrant is for the property. There wasn't an arrest warrant for the 'receiver' of the goods, they did background checks on everyone who had been in this particular residence in the past few years, not just the current tenant. So on that they can enter the house, execute the search warrant, and question any occupants....seize whatever they need etc.
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bro your beached az
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It was 1 gram of Class A.
Also the Op isn't suspect, the Op is using ambiguous wording on purpose. You'll figure out why with a little thought.
I've seen ALL the evidence that the search warrant was based on, there was no Intel, no survelliance, no monitoring, and the Search Warrant was granted based on them finding this ONE package of 1 gram.
OP is suspect. Nothing you say can be substantiated or confirmed. Customs doing the bust? Unlikely. Friend was NOT the only person busted? How would you know? Seen ALL the evidence? What are you, his lawyer? And if so, wouldn't it be pretty risky on your part to be participating on a well known website known to sell contraband?
I'm unfamiliar with the laws of other countries, but in the States, it's the postal inspectors working alongside law enforcement that make controlled deliveries. Even if drugs were delivered to your FOAFOAF's home under his real name, there's no proof that he placed the order. I doubt any judge would issue a search warrant on such little evidence for such a small quantity.
From your terse half-legalese, I suspect you're an amataur lawyer or half-assed journalist. But I suspect you're more likely a rookie cop who can't believe what you're seeing: people blatantly flaunting the law, and I believe you're policing off time using scare tactics to try and prevent a few people from placing orders.
You're ambiguous enough to not include any hard facts but have no problem naming a certain vendor to provide "proof" to your statements, which leds me to believe you could be a competing vendor or a buyer with a chip on your shoulder.
From your use of the English language, I'd say you're of American, Canadian or AUS origin, perhaps UK but I find that doubtful. That doesn't necessarily mean you're currently residing in either but why can't you tell us your location? That would be most helpful if what you're saying is true.
And one gram of what? Why can't you include this information? If you're afraid that your friend might get in more trouble, why post on this board?
Again, forgive me if I'm wrong and if I am, I apologize but I can't help believing your post is bogus.
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class A
could be uk , scottland or canada or nz
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I never fully understand these posts about getting caught via warrants and things. Surely if you're importing Class A drugs from the Netherlands to your home address you do some due diligence and make sure that a) your computer is clean as a whistle (encryption, removable devices, liberte/tails, blah blah blah), and b) when expecting a package you remove all other contraband from your property? Or am I the only one that would take these precautions (and more)?
I imagine it's doubtful for customs/police to rock up with a warrant based on one package, but at least that way even if they did you, your computer, and your place are spotlessly clean. And then you send them on their merry way!
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class A
could be uk , scottland or canada or nz
Erm, Scotland is part of the UK last time i checked. And UK DOES NOT get warrents over 1g of class A!!! They dont bother with upto like 1 KG+ easy. All you get in uk is a letter off customs saying your parcel as been ceased and blah blah blah. Easy fix, Use a new name/address and carry on. And canada, Are you mental. Even NZ and australia don't do this. This country as gotta be something like North Korea/bahrain/syria or somesort of oppressed country.
My answer to the op, Move fucking country. Worlds your oyster :)
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It was 1 gram of Class A.
Also the Op isn't suspect, the Op is using ambiguous wording on purpose. You'll figure out why with a little thought.
I've seen ALL the evidence that the search warrant was based on, there was no Intel, no survelliance, no monitoring, and the Search Warrant was granted based on them finding this ONE package of 1 gram.
OP is suspect. Nothing you say can be substantiated or confirmed. Customs doing the bust? Unlikely. Friend was NOT the only person busted? How would you know? Seen ALL the evidence? What are you, his lawyer? And if so, wouldn't it be pretty risky on your part to be participating on a well known website known to sell contraband?
I'm unfamiliar with the laws of other countries, but in the States, it's the postal inspectors working alongside law enforcement that make controlled deliveries. Even if drugs were delivered to your FOAFOAF's home under his real name, there's no proof that he placed the order. I doubt any judge would issue a search warrant on such little evidence for such a small quantity.
From your terse half-legalese, I suspect you're an amataur lawyer or half-assed journalist. But I suspect you're more likely a rookie cop who can't believe what you're seeing: people blatantly flaunting the law, and I believe you're policing off time using scare tactics to try and prevent a few people from placing orders.
You're ambiguous enough to not include any hard facts but have no problem naming a certain vendor to provide "proof" to your statements, which leds me to believe you could be a competing vendor or a buyer with a chip on your shoulder.
From your use of the English language, I'd say you're of American, Canadian or AUS origin, perhaps UK but I find that doubtful. That doesn't necessarily mean you're currently residing in either but why can't you tell us your location? That would be most helpful if what you're saying is true.
And one gram of what? Why can't you include this information? If you're afraid that your friend might get in more trouble, why post on this board?
Again, forgive me if I'm wrong and if I am, I apologize but I can't help believing your post is bogus.
Seriously how hard is it to realize that he has dropped us a tip without blowing his cover(too much)? Why call bogus on details you know nothing about?
It maybe bogus and it may be true. Plenty of situations happen like this that never get publicly spoken about.
You want proof??..lol
In some countries, cops dont need a judge to get a warrant and they also dont really give a fuck if that is or is not your name on the parcel when they kick in your door. All they care about is the address and then trying to pin it on somebody.
Pretty much what river has said, happens.
Where are you from crisis? what hole have you been in, not to comprehend the term 'friend of a friend of a friend'?
Hows my english? sentence structure, punctuation. Guess where I am? It fiucking takes me ages to write this badly.
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It was 1 gram of Class A.
Also the Op isn't suspect, the Op is using ambiguous wording on purpose. You'll figure out why with a little thought.
I've seen ALL the evidence that the search warrant was based on, there was no Intel, no survelliance, no monitoring, and the Search Warrant was granted based on them finding this ONE package of 1 gram.
OP is suspect. Nothing you say can be substantiated or confirmed. Customs doing the bust? Unlikely. Friend was NOT the only person busted? How would you know? Seen ALL the evidence? What are you, his lawyer? And if so, wouldn't it be pretty risky on your part to be participating on a well known website known to sell contraband?
I'm unfamiliar with the laws of other countries, but in the States, it's the postal inspectors working alongside law enforcement that make controlled deliveries. Even if drugs were delivered to your FOAFOAF's home under his real name, there's no proof that he placed the order. I doubt any judge would issue a search warrant on such little evidence for such a small quantity.
From your terse half-legalese, I suspect you're an amataur lawyer or half-assed journalist. But I suspect you're more likely a rookie cop who can't believe what you're seeing: people blatantly flaunting the law, and I believe you're policing off time using scare tactics to try and prevent a few people from placing orders.
You're ambiguous enough to not include any hard facts but have no problem naming a certain vendor to provide "proof" to your statements, which leds me to believe you could be a competing vendor or a buyer with a chip on your shoulder.
From your use of the English language, I'd say you're of American, Canadian or AUS origin, perhaps UK but I find that doubtful. That doesn't necessarily mean you're currently residing in either but why can't you tell us your location? That would be most helpful if what you're saying is true.
And one gram of what? Why can't you include this information? If you're afraid that your friend might get in more trouble, why post on this board?
Again, forgive me if I'm wrong and if I am, I apologize but I can't help believing your post is bogus.
Ok, don't believe me. Really not phased in the slightest. The people who are smart enough to understand why I'm being ambiguous and smart enough to PM me with questions are the people getting help.
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A lot of "Customs 'don't' do this" type comments in this. It was this sort of certainty which got my 'friend of a friend of a friend' into this situation in the first place. Reading through this forum you're given the distinct impression that the worst you could get would be a love letter, and that customs are 'too busy' and too resource-constrained to go through the motions of getting a search warrant. Also that they require some certainty about the occupant of a premise to get a search warrant for it.
When Class A narcotics potentially leading to a Supply charge which is Life Imprisonment, you can bet they can get a Search Warrant to look through the premise that package was en-route too. Who cares who the letter was addressed to? Its about the premise itself, and its occupants.
Every country has its own laws on this, and each Customs has their own process.
I know for a fact from going through the evidence submitted by Customs through Disclosure (Read about the legal term Disclosure before you waste my time asking how I've seen all the evidence) presented by Customs that other people using this site were busted also. Have they posted about it on here? No. Is there a reasonable chance people have been busted before from this site and haven't posted? At this point I can only conclude that yes, there undoubtedly are.
So be careful.
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Seriously how hard is it to realize that he has dropped us a tip without blowing his cover(too much)? Why call bogus on details you know nothing about?
It maybe bogus and it may be true. Plenty of situations happen like this that never get publicly spoken about.
You want proof??..lol
In some countries, cops dont need a judge to get a warrant and they also dont really give a fuck if that is or is not your name on the parcel when they kick in your door. All they care about is the address and then trying to pin it on somebody.
Pretty much what river has said, happens.
Where are you from crisis? what hole have you been in, not to comprehend the term 'friend of a friend of a friend'?
Hows my english? sentence structure, punctuation. Guess where I am? It fiucking takes me ages to write this badly.
Novocaine, I don't know what your problem is. I never said River was a lier just his post seemed suspect and I gave my reasons why. I fail to understand why he can't at least tell us what country he's talking about. Isn't that info important? If he shares it, how will it blow his cover? How would he be traced back to him?
And you're not concerned that this might be an attack against DrAmsterdam or NL vendors in general? It's not the first thread to do so.
Never asked for proof, just more info. The only reason I was commenting on his English was because I was trying to figure out his location. If I was to bet, I'd say Aus or NZ but I don't know.
I understand FOAFOAF. It's a term people use to spread rumors, gossip and half-truths.
I'd say from your aggressive and combative attitude, Novocaine, you're probably American, like me.
And River, forgive me if I insulted you. But you have to look at it from my perspective. You come on here, a well-known drug haven, with zero posts and give just enough info that could appear to be true but not enough to confirm. You hide behind a shroud of ambiguity allowing yourself time to make up answers on the fly as people ask behind closed doors.
Why would you lie? I gave a few reasons as to why you might. Maybe you're just a troll. Maybe you're telling the truth and are well meaning. You just never know.
If you are telling the truth, I really am very sorry but if you're leo, I'm glad I'm busting your balls.
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People ordering from the Netherlands continues to amaze and confuse me.
I mean, seriously? You can't wait until you can find a source that isn't in the single most watched origin in the world?
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People ordering from the Netherlands continues to amaze and confuse me.
I mean, seriously? You can't wait until you can find a source that isn't in the single most watched origin in the world?
^this+5
I mean come one people.
ggg
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river you never replied to my PM.
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Scared of ordering from netherlands is ridiculous. It's like saying i'm not crossing the road cause i might get knocked down. Come on, Get real. Unless your ordering 1kg+ of xxxx or 1000+ of xxxx they really won't give 2 fooks about it. Unless you live in a country like the op seems to be on about. I've had nothing stopped from anywhere, 1 order off dr speed got lost in post by sticky fingers and thats it. Most people have nothing to worry about as all you'll get is a slap on the wrists if you get caught anyways. Vendors like me have got much more to lose as we have multiple items in substantial quantities usually which changes the game a little bit but still, If you know you legal E's you can still get around an extensive fine/sentance. Least where i come from :)
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I call bullshit on this OP.
Please stop with the scare tactics.
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I never fully understand these posts about getting caught via warrants and things. Surely if you're importing Class A drugs from the Netherlands to your home address you do some due diligence and make sure that a) your computer is clean as a whistle (encryption, removable devices, liberte/tails, blah blah blah), and b) when expecting a package you remove all other contraband from your property? Or am I the only one that would take these precautions (and more)?
I imagine it's doubtful for customs/police to rock up with a warrant based on one package, but at least that way even if they did you, your computer, and your place are spotlessly clean. And then you send them on their merry way!
Well sure I guess? But if i was that careful and paranoid to have my place drug free every time a package were to arrive I would never have any drugs? I think this whole forum post should be on the security post not shipping? If its at all true that's the place for it. As far as safety goes i will only buy domestic anymore personally....be safe, don't believe that entrapment laws will save you! The laws in the states have been eroded since 911, they change them to fit there needs..........peace
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Yikes!
How's your keyboard look brah?
They are more or less about right I guess..hehe..Yo Holly , thats the shit, I've done lots of silver..we called check, but even more white..I'm leaning heavily towards white..food for thought.
Its good stuff either way. :) Silver gives me this sensitive tingle in my pinky all the time that neither amber nor Swiss/needlepoint does.
Interesting, in my recollect the difference could be very subtle sometimes where we did get batches of silver but we couldn't believe it per quality and cleanness but our source knew their shit and since they handled crystal so we always trusted what they said. It was so beautful. Our connect never came at us with amber so we were spoiled..wait did I hijack this thread..sorry guys, I good you a bid evening.
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As far as Holly's statement.......no have you?...Sounds like it. Hope it was good LSD or maybe you just like giving blowjobs? Its all good
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I call bullshit on this OP.
Please stop with the scare tactics.
I believe the story given the designated country and the circumstances around it.
As far as Holly's statement.......no have you?...Sounds like it. Hope it was good LSD or maybe you just like giving blowjobs?
lol really? wrong thread. :P
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I dont understand how they were able to obtain a search warrant based on a package of drugs being delivered to him. Anyone could have sent it to him. Unless of coarse they had mroe evidence that he ordered the stuff. He could probobly sue who ever was responsible for issuing that warrant.
Really? You don't understand how having a package of drugs intercepted to an address is enough to get a warrant for that address? Any country in the world that would be enough for a warrant to raid.
otherwise, in the US at least, he/she would just have most likely just received a love letter...
Don't count on getting a love letter for anything more than personal use amounts of schedule III or V pharmaceuticals, marijuana seeds or grey area research chemicals. If customs stops your two grams of MDMA you are probably going to get a visit by LE, knock and talk at the very least but raid isn't out of the question.
Customs in certain countries are flagging shipments
Customs in certain countries are more than happy to turn up on your doorstep
In certain countries your correspondence is checked not by postal workers or customs. It's checked by security agencies dealing with drug smuggling, counterintelligence, and terrorism all at the same time. Each suspiciously looking envelope can be opened and investigated thoroughly without any warrants or orders. If you are not prepared well to deal with those, you are better off not purchasing any illegal substances from abroad.
Customs in USA is part of the department of homeland security and they do counter drug smuggling, counter intelligence and counter terrorism. They can also open any package with out a warrant or order.
Am I the only one that feels this OP is suspect? Just the wording sounds strange. A friend of a friend of a friend? Seems doubtful. And how does he/she know that other people have been busted. Never heard of customs doing a bust. Forgive me If I'm wrong.
lol you never heard of customs doing a bust? guess you have not looked very hard.....customs does the vast majority of illegal importation busts.
Friend was NOT the only person busted? How would you know?
I know of a case where interception led to raid (was a few hundred sheets of LSD) and they arrested every single person at the house (although only ended up charging one I think).
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I think that no warrant can be issued for sending contraband by mail. Why do you think they do a controlled delivery? To get a case and proves against you.
But, police can get and knock on your door. And they hope to let them inside the house. Maybe then after if they see or hear something they can get reasonable doubt so judge can sign search warrant. (never do that!!)
Many people could be in danger of some vandetta (dealer hate some1 and send him a package with drugs) if search warrant would be issued so easy.
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I think that no warrant can be issued for sending contraband by mail. Why do you think they do a controlled delivery? To get a case and proves against you.
But, police can get and knock on your door. And they hope to let them inside the house. Maybe then after if they see or hear something they can get reasonable doubt so judge can sign search warrant. (never do that!!)
Many people could be in danger of some vandetta (dealer hate some1 and send him a package with drugs) if search warrant would be issued so easy.
I know of cases in USA and Australia where interception of single package led to raid.
Erm, Scotland is part of the UK last time i checked. And UK DOES NOT get warrents over 1g of class A!!! They dont bother with upto like 1 KG+ easy. All you get in uk is a letter off customs saying your parcel as been ceased and blah blah blah. Easy fix, Use a new name/address and carry on. And canada, Are you mental. Even NZ and australia don't do this. This country as gotta be something like North Korea/bahrain/syria or somesort of oppressed country.
I assure you that if you have much less than 1KG intercepted you will be raided in the UK. I know someone in Australia who had fairly close to personal use amounts intercepted and he had no CD, but rather woke up to LE pointing guns at him and his wife after smashing his door down.
If they only followed through on 1kg packs dealers would just split them up into 100 gram packs. Use some logic for fucks sake.
god the denialism in this thread is epic. I guess whatever helps people sleep at night.
Many people could be in danger of some vandetta (dealer hate some1 and send him a package with drugs) if search warrant would be issued so easy.
Yes this is a serious risk. Do you think a hostage call from a specific phone number is not enough to get a SWAT team sent to the address simply because someone could be spoofing the number? Look up Swatting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
How about if feds see your IP address trading CP? Think that isn't enough for a warrant to raid you simply because someone could be using your open WiFi or could have hacked your machine and be using it as an exit proxy? Innocent people get raided over CP all the time in situations like this.
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I think that no warrant can be issued for sending contraband by mail. Why do you think they do a controlled delivery? To get a case and proves against you.
But, police can get and knock on your door. And they hope to let them inside the house. Maybe then after if they see or hear something they can get reasonable doubt so judge can sign search warrant. (never do that!!)
Many people could be in danger of some vandetta (dealer hate some1 and send him a package with drugs) if search warrant would be issued so easy.
I know of cases in USA and Australia where interception of single package led to raid.
So what happened to the idea that anybody can send you drugs at any time from any place? What if they found nothing else in the 'raid', what would be the result of that as a result of having a constantly clean house / different location for drug stash?
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I think that no warrant can be issued for sending contraband by mail. Why do you think they do a controlled delivery? To get a case and proves against you.
But, police can get and knock on your door. And they hope to let them inside the house. Maybe then after if they see or hear something they can get reasonable doubt so judge can sign search warrant. (never do that!!)
Many people could be in danger of some vandetta (dealer hate some1 and send him a package with drugs) if search warrant would be issued so easy.
I know of cases in USA and Australia where interception of single package led to raid.
But I am sure that LE had other info and proves to justify where is connection with recipient-pack with drugs and not only based on seized/intercepted package.
I think that customs can open any international mail without reason. Within country they need a warrant and a valid reason.
Many people could be in danger of some vandetta (dealer hate some1 and send him a package with drugs) if search warrant would be issued so easy.
Yes this is a serious risk. Do you think a hostage call from a specific phone number is not enough to get a SWAT team sent to the address simply because someone could be spoofing the number? Look up Swatting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
How about if feds see your IP address trading CP? Think that isn't enough for a warrant to raid you simply because someone could be using your open WiFi or could have hacked your machine and be using it as an exit proxy? Innocent people get raided over CP all the time in situations like this.
Why you compare it with different event? Any evidence what LE find without warrant is inadmissible on the court. Further, we can discuss about arrest and informative talk with LE apart event where recipient would be charged and most likely convicted just according to seized package with drugs where is his address (without any other evidence) ...(IMO unlikely).
I meant to say that many people can abuse system to get revenge on somebody and that somebody really do not have any knowledge of package sent to him with contraband...cartels and other group could solve and get even with many people using such method, yeah gov has immunity from prosecution but many other have not. Reality is that they do not do that, why? Because is useless.
And of course, innocent people get arrested all the time, LE can abuse power, but different story is on Court of Law and proving a case.
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This topic is just one big fucking headache. The information is completely useless without telling us what country the individual resides in, instead you make us guess.
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Am I the only one that feels this OP is suspect? Just the wording sounds strange. A friend of a friend of a friend? Seems doubtful. And how does he/she know that other people have been busted. Never heard of customs doing a bust. Forgive me If I'm wrong.
lol you never heard of customs doing a bust? guess you have not looked very hard.....customs does the vast majority of illegal importation busts.
Yeah, that "customs never doing a bust" sentiment is fucking laughable. Anyone in the States with more than basic cable or satellite and watching Drugs, Inc., Border Wars, or any of the other "behind-the-scenes" shows about customs at airports on Nat Geo TV, etc. has to be completely retarded to make such inane statements. Those shows should be required viewing before anyone participates in any kind of transaction on SR.
And, if you're in the States, you should also watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc Might also be relevant in countries with laws against self-incrimination ala the Fifth Amendment. A defense attorney and a former LEO interrogator both discuss why you should avoid participating in interrogations without an attorney, with the latter discussing some of the interrogation techniques he's used to elicit confessions from idiot criminals. Invoking the fifth does not make you guilty. Simply put, if you're in a room with a guy who's got 20 years interrogating all sorts of people -- no matter how clever, smart, or knowledgeable you may be -- you're at a huge disadvantage. He has an almost insurmountable advantage and, even if you're entirely innocent (like all of the good denizens in SR talking only in hypotheticals), virtually anything that comes out of your mouth will almost certainly doom you. Just watch the video. It's profoundly illuminating.
I state the following without meaning to directly implicate or insult anyone, but the hysteria around being "busted", particularly when heard second, third, or nth hand, drives me up the fucking wall. "OMG! The second cousin of my best bud's best bud was busted and charged! The world is ending! All of us here are at risk! Man, go off the grid. I think SoldierOfFortune is selling an armor plated RV in The Armory! Group purchase and we'll hide out in a fucking Iowa cornfield, learn to love country music, and change our last names to sound like first names!! Like, you should be Daniel Jack and I'll be Charlie Bob!" A "bust" turns into the SR version of SARS hysteria. Or Ebola. Or Avian flu.
SR, at its core, is really about enabling legally prohibited commerce by mitigating as much risk as possible. Notice I wrote "mitigating" -- not eliminating. SR, in my mind, is a truly amazing thing, but the naive parties who think it effectively legalizes prohibition need to appreciate that there is still risk involved. Unfortunately, reducing risk of one action may inadvertently increase the risk of another. For instance, anonymizing sellers and buyers via public key encryption increases the work required by LEO to figure out the size of an operation and the actors involves by orders of magnitude. On the other hand, it's easier to get ripped off with no recourse. It's also easy to promote mass hysteria by planting vague stories of "busts" and "charges".
Laundering your money through BitCoin makes it hard for LEO to "follow the money". Most of those guys just love to knock doors down, point automatic weapons at gang members, and swing their dicks around. Understanding the cryptographic principles behind BC is way beyond their abilities, interest, and time in most cases. Given the choice between learning about trap-door functions, public/private key cryptography, computational difficulty of factoring large numbers, etc. most of these DEA guys would rather be busting punks.
Yes, the FBI, etc. probably have a few of those skills, but there's also a cost/benefit analysis on their side. They deal with financial fraud, kiddie porn, terrorists, gang activity, etc. Out of everything in their purview, they're much more likely to pursue cases that directly affect "taxpayers" -- the people who have jobs, houses, families, etc. SR isn't sponsoring terrorism. It's not an organized criminal syndicate looking to defraud granny. It's not promoting or enabling the victimization of children. Occasionally SR'll pop up in the news as some asshat politician up for re-election decries it as a thing most morally repugnant. From what I've seen, it's mostly saber rattling -- no bark or bite. That could change in the future, which is why you need to be smart and not draw attention.
What's being smart? Don't fucking sign for things. Don't leave anything related to your interactions with SR in cleartext on your computer. Use TrueCrypt to set up a hidden volume for plausible deniability. Don't leave envelopes, packaging materials, etc. you receive lying around your house. Shred them with a crosscut shredder. For things like vacuum sealed plastic, hide that shit in week old kitchen garbage -- stuff it in an empty milk carton and stomp on it. When expecting delivery, hide your paraphernalia and other dope elsewhere yourself. Don't call your friend and say "Dude, come hide this for me.", lest he be charged as an accomplice and it provide more evidence via phone records that you tried to destroy evidence. If you order regularly from a certain country, subscribe to periodicals (unrelated to drugs) from it. Order catalogs from suppliers in that country. Remember that no one can read your mind. Remember that being charged is not the end of the world. If you've been careful, making a case against you will be more effort than it's worth unless you were dumb enough to agree to talk to the police. If you get served with a warrant, make sure it's valid. Read about things like burden of proof. LEOs are used to dealing with idiots who are grossly misinformed and easily coerced into incriminating themselves. If you know what they are and aren't allowed to do, then you can comfortably stand your grand and refuse to cooperate. If you know the law, then you can call their bluffs when they misrepresent it to you. Cops are allowed to lie. It's your job to know the truth. Things like that.
Just my two cents.
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This topic is just one big fucking headache. The information is completely useless without telling us what country the individual resides in, instead you make us guess.
AGREE!!
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I agree. If OP cant even tell us the country, he should GTFO.
Go post your lies somewhere else.
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Oh and about you claiming that IF LE finds your research chemicals at customs they are gonna come a raid your house STFU phaggot. I have had customs rip open two packages with enough RC chems to get nailed for distribution, and they let them through no problems.
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Am I the only one that feels this OP is suspect? Just the wording sounds strange. A friend of a friend of a friend? Seems doubtful. And how does he/she know that other people have been busted. Never heard of customs doing a bust. Forgive me If I'm wrong.
lol you never heard of customs doing a bust? guess you have not looked very hard.....customs does the vast majority of illegal importation busts.
Yeah, that "customs never doing a bust" sentiment is fucking laughable. Anyone in the States with more than basic cable or satellite and watching Drugs, Inc., Border Wars, or any of the other "behind-the-scenes" shows about customs at airports on Nat Geo TV, etc. has to be completely retarded to make such inane statements. Those shows should be required viewing before anyone participates in any kind of transaction on SR.
On the border maybe but in the form of a controlled delivery? For one gram?
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Oh and about you claiming that IF LE finds your research chemicals at customs they are gonna come a raid your house STFU phaggot. I have had customs rip open two packages with enough RC chems to get nailed for distribution, and they let them through no problems.
If you are talking to me you should re read my post cuz I said that for research chems you will probably not get raided but will get a love letter or nothing.
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I call bullshit on this OP.
Please stop with the scare tactics.
I believe the story given the designated country and the circumstances around it.
As far as Holly's statement.......no have you?...Sounds like it. Hope it was good LSD or maybe you just like giving blowjobs?
lol really? wrong thread. :P
I just thought it was cute:)
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Oh and about you claiming that IF LE finds your research chemicals at customs they are gonna come a raid your house STFU phaggot. I have had customs rip open two packages with enough RC chems to get nailed for distribution, and they let them through no problems.
If you are talking to me you should re read my post cuz I said that for research chems you will probably not get raided but will get a love letter or nothing.
Oh shit, my bad brah. Just did a big hit of smack :D Please give me my rep back.
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... "OMG! The second cousin of my best bud's best bud was busted and charged! The world is ending! All of us here are at risk! Man, go off the grid. I think SoldierOfFortune is selling an armor plated RV in The Armory! Group purchase and we'll hide out in a fucking Iowa cornfield, learn to love country music, and change our last names to sound like first names!! Like, you should be Daniel Jack and I'll be Charlie Bob!" A "bust" turns into the SR version of SARS hysteria. Or Ebola. Or Avian flu.
Aaaaand this thread suddenly takes a turn for the hilarious. +1 Mr. CrankedTo11
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Oh and about you claiming that IF LE finds your research chemicals at customs they are gonna come a raid your house STFU phaggot. I have had customs rip open two packages with enough RC chems to get nailed for distribution, and they let them through no problems.
If you are talking to me you should re read my post cuz I said that for research chems you will probably not get raided but will get a love letter or nothing.
Oh shit, my bad brah. Just did a big hit of smack :D Please give me my rep back.
I didn't take your rep.
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Well feel free the add to it :)
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Oh and about you claiming that IF LE finds your research chemicals at customs they are gonna come a raid your house STFU phaggot. I have had customs rip open two packages with enough RC chems to get nailed for distribution, and they let them through no problems.
So you think because you got away with it that this is the norm? GTFO
I believe the OP only because his story happens a fair bit.
If the op is in Aus or NZ, a cop can go and knock on a member of the public's door that has been registered as a Justice of the Peace.($500 course over 2 days) They dont have to show much proof of a crime, they only have to convince the JP enough to get a warrant.
Some JP's will say come back with more evidence and less speculation and some will hand out warrants without much convincing. Cops know the soft JPs and will get a warrant no problems for a shitty gram of MDMA or because somebody dogged you for dealing $20 bags o weed from your house.
I find it frustrating that members here call 'scare tactics' or 'trolling' when somebody speaks of getting busted.
I feel some members need to pull their heads out of the sand and wake up to the reality and always expect the worst. I see a lot of complacency that you will just receive a love letter or "I used a false name so Im all good"... This maybe the norm but not always.
@crisis my comments are not personal but out of frustration. Sometimes I hate myself for being a keyboard monster but in regard to the OP... needing to know country of origin or type of drug is irrelevant if you know busts like this happens in your region. Never think it wont happen ;)
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Last post on this topic (unless I found out anymore interesting/relevant information).
To the people who are calling bullshit, you're simply wrong unfortunately. I understand that you'd like to believe you're really safe and you understand the law to the fullest degree, but your complacency is dangerous.
People saying this is bullshit because I haven't stated my country on this public forum are idiots. I said in my second post I would tell people who PM'd me, and have done so (to people with reasonable post counts etc). Use your brains people, I'm not going to put information which could lead to identifying this "friend of a friend of a friend" for obvious reasons.
Whether you choose to believe it or not, Customs can come into your home with the Police simply by finding a single gram of product addressed to your residence. If you think about it, it makes pretty good sense. Why wouldn't they be able to?
Your country may have different laws, I don't know. But in my Western country they can most certainly do that and have. I have copies of all the evidence, the search warrant etc etc. Clearly it's too dangerous to post any of that up here, but I'll see if blanking out portions of it would make it unidentifiable enough to post up.
Again, this isn't scare tactics, it's simply me feeding you guys information because I trusted this place and was far too complacent and got nailed for it.
It's a courtesy, I don't owe you anything, and I'm not asking for anything in return. So just take it as advice, and if you don't believe me...that's not my problem either.
For those who already know my country, some interesting stats that I've got since this all went down....Customs in my country expect to intercept 1 in 10 packages of illicit substances. That didn't come from them by them way, but someone who was heavily involved in implementing one of their systems who I've since spoken to through my line of work. I imagine a lot of you aren't going to believe that either (personally I'd be dubious reading this)....but again it's what I was told and the person passing that information is in a position to know this stuff.
That's just in my country however.
Anyways, PM if you want more info.
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Has anyone heard of someone in Canada being raided because of personal amounts of drugs being intercepted?
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.Customs in my country expect to intercept 1 in 10 packages of illicit substances.
I would be stoked if they only intercepted 1 in 10 of my orders :(
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Oh and about you claiming that IF LE finds your research chemicals at customs they are gonna come a raid your house STFU phaggot. I have had customs rip open two packages with enough RC chems to get nailed for distribution, and they let them through no problems.
So you think because you got away with it that this is the norm? GTFO
I believe the OP only because his story happens a fair bit.
If the op is in Aus or NZ, a cop can go and knock on a member of the public's door that has been registered as a Justice of the Peace.($500 course over 2 days) They dont have to show much proof of a crime, they only have to convince the JP enough to get a warrant.
Some JP's will say come back with more evidence and less speculation and some will hand out warrants without much convincing. Cops know the soft JPs and will get a warrant no problems for a shitty gram of MDMA or because somebody dogged you for dealing $20 bags o weed from your house.
I find it frustrating that members here call 'scare tactics' or 'trolling' when somebody speaks of getting busted.
I feel some members need to pull their heads out of the sand and wake up to the reality and always expect the worst. I see a lot of complacency that you will just receive a love letter or "I used a false name so Im all good"... This maybe the norm but not always.
@crisis my comments are not personal but out of frustration. Sometimes I hate myself for being a keyboard monster but in regard to the OP... needing to know country of origin or type of drug is irrelevant if you know busts like this happens in your region. Never think it wont happen ;)
And I would like to add. The rules have changed post 911. And they use terrorism tactics and techniques to go after drug cases. And it is a big deal to get busted. Doesn't sound like fun at all. We should all know the risk. Never can be to safe.....never
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Just thought I'd chime in, I placed an order with DRamsterdam late-ish last month, and it has yet to arrive.
In lieu of information presented here, I have made a thread devoted to a more general discussion regarding both this issue and the status of DRamsterdam as a whole.
Feel free to stop by and post your two cents.
thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=14895.0
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Last post on this topic (unless I found out anymore interesting/relevant information).
To the people who are calling bullshit, you're simply wrong unfortunately. I understand that you'd like to believe you're really safe and you understand the law to the fullest degree, but your complacency is dangerous.
People saying this is bullshit because I haven't stated my country on this public forum are idiots. I said in my second post I would tell people who PM'd me, and have done so (to people with reasonable post counts etc). Use your brains people, I'm not going to put information which could lead to identifying this "friend of a friend of a friend" for obvious reasons.
Whether you choose to believe it or not, Customs can come into your home with the Police simply by finding a single gram of product addressed to your residence. If you think about it, it makes pretty good sense. Why wouldn't they be able to?
Your country may have different laws, I don't know. But in my Western country they can most certainly do that and have. I have copies of all the evidence, the search warrant etc etc. Clearly it's too dangerous to post any of that up here, but I'll see if blanking out portions of it would make it unidentifiable enough to post up.
Again, this isn't scare tactics, it's simply me feeding you guys information because I trusted this place and was far too complacent and got nailed for it.
It's a courtesy, I don't owe you anything, and I'm not asking for anything in return. So just take it as advice, and if you don't believe me...that's not my problem either.
For those who already know my country, some interesting stats that I've got since this all went down....Customs in my country expect to intercept 1 in 10 packages of illicit substances. That didn't come from them by them way, but someone who was heavily involved in implementing one of their systems who I've since spoken to through my line of work. I imagine a lot of you aren't going to believe that either (personally I'd be dubious reading this)....but again it's what I was told and the person passing that information is in a position to know this stuff.
That's just in my country however.
Anyways, PM if you want more info.
CLASS A drugs.... well your not in australia then....
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And I would like to add. The rules have changed post 911. And they use terrorism tactics and techniques to go after drug cases. And it is a big deal to get busted. Doesn't sound like fun at all. We should all know the risk. Never can be to safe.....never
Post 9/11, the only significant new threat is the "Sneak and Peek" warrants available to LEOs under the USA PATRIOT Act. Justice Department stats do show that in all cases where such a warrant was issued, the overwhelming majority were for drug cases. A Sneak and Peek warrant allows LEOs to search the premises with no notice and WITHOUT the seizure of property. If they were to seize property and leave notice, they'd tip the suspect off -- thus the secretive nature of these warrants. However, it's still common practice during the execution of a Sneak and Peek to photograph incriminating evidence, install keyloggers on your computers, mirror your hard drive, deploy listening bugs, etc.
In criminal cases, the notice of delay averages 30 to 90 days, which means that rational paranoia is justified. It's not enough to assume they'll only be able to obtain evidence with a "knock and announce". It also means you should regularly check your computer for unrecognized hardware (like a dongle between your keyboard and computer), system logs (if you're savvy enough) to see if anything weird has been going on, and run an OS like Linux, as it offers some additional safety through obscurity.
If you're freaked out by the above, you shouldn't be. Sneak and Peek's are rare. On the rise, but still rare. Maybe 2000 nationwide back in 2009. And, by being proactive and habituating yourself to operating securely, you can defeat the warrant's intent.
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Linux offers security through more than obscurity lol
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Linux offers security through more than obscurity lol
Yes, yes. I know that. I only meant it's an obscure system insofar as LEO is concerned, meaning keyloggers, rootkits, etc. are more difficult to write and procure from third parties, making them more difficult to tamper with during a sneak and peek. You put the average Fed in front of a bash prompt and cluelessness will abound.
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I don't know about this it sounds strange as I have received 5 parcels from the NL and no problems each one larger parcels 2grams,25 grams,5 tabs 25-i,100 grams,100 grams and 2 more on the way no slow down in Canada always 8 days from NL to Canada and no noticeable marks on Envelopes
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@crisis my comments are not personal but out of frustration. Sometimes I hate myself for being a keyboard monster but in regard to the OP... needing to know country of origin or type of drug is irrelevant if you know busts like this happens in your region. Never think it wont happen ;)
Novocaine, no harm done. We all say regretful things when caught up in the heat of the moment, I know I do.
One of my points being is that I am unaware of such busts happening in my region and if it is, I would like a little more info to help decide if I'm prepared to risk placing any more orders through SR.
Is the country of origin being scrutinized? The country of destination? A particular vendor? All of SR? The OP is somewhat unclear on these finer points; points that would prove most helpful to us all, buyers and sellers.
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Last post on this topic (unless I found out anymore interesting/relevant information).
To the people who are calling bullshit, you're simply wrong unfortunately. I understand that you'd like to believe you're really safe and you understand the law to the fullest degree, but your complacency is dangerous.
People saying this is bullshit because I haven't stated my country on this public forum are idiots. I said in my second post I would tell people who PM'd me, and have done so (to people with reasonable post counts etc). Use your brains people, I'm not going to put information which could lead to identifying this "friend of a friend of a friend" for obvious reasons.
Whether you choose to believe it or not, Customs can come into your home with the Police simply by finding a single gram of product addressed to your residence. If you think about it, it makes pretty good sense. Why wouldn't they be able to?
Your country may have different laws, I don't know. But in my Western country they can most certainly do that and have. I have copies of all the evidence, the search warrant etc etc. Clearly it's too dangerous to post any of that up here, but I'll see if blanking out portions of it would make it unidentifiable enough to post up.
Again, this isn't scare tactics, it's simply me feeding you guys information because I trusted this place and was far too complacent and got nailed for it.
It's a courtesy, I don't owe you anything, and I'm not asking for anything in return. So just take it as advice, and if you don't believe me...that's not my problem either.
For those who already know my country, some interesting stats that I've got since this all went down....Customs in my country expect to intercept 1 in 10 packages of illicit substances. That didn't come from them by them way, but someone who was heavily involved in implementing one of their systems who I've since spoken to through my line of work. I imagine a lot of you aren't going to believe that either (personally I'd be dubious reading this)....but again it's what I was told and the person passing that information is in a position to know this stuff.
That's just in my country however.
Anyways, PM if you want more info.
So your willing to tell anyone who pms you the country but your arent willing to post it in this thread? That doesnt really make sense. If LE came across this thread they would just get you to pm them anyway. Even so, saying what country it happened in isnt going to really reveal anything anyway. If you live in a country of say 200 million, then im sure your friend is not the only one that has recieved a controlled delivery. If you really want to aware people you would just say it man.
Your country expects to nail 1 in 10 packages? That is a pretty good ratio. I would only expect that is a country as diligent as australia. Your country sounds like an old monarchy or something where the king can just come in and take all your possessions and cut your head off for the fun of it.
Ive hung around on AAS boards for a long time where there is no motive to posting scare tactics. Over two years I have NEVER EVER seen a thread where someone was busted for importing anabolic steroids for personal use. Not to say it doesnt happen though. I imagine it is very rare. The same sucess rate could probably be applied to SR. Ive seen some legit AAS sellers claim 99% success rate to canada/usa.
You have only 9 posts? You made an account here to tell us this vague story with which you can provide us with no confirmations of its validity? Had you had more posts behind you and good standing in the forums I might have been inclined to believe you. Please provide more details and then I might heed your warning.
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From personal experience in Canada youll be fine as long as it not schedule I or II....Ive had a package packed with benzos opened and then sent to me.....I honestly couldnt believe it that they actually sent an envelope full of loose pills through customs! Another time I had a pack of benzos 200+ stopped by customs and they sent me a letter. I think with the loose pills they couldnt ID them so they let it go. lol But when it comes to coke,h,meth,oxy etc pretty sure there going to do something about that if they find it even if the ammount isnt very high. With things like benzos and other pharms(maybe even oxy i dont know) you have the option of saying you use it as medicine and didnt know you need a script.....if your foreign this works much better ::)
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Another thing I forgot to add and im not sure if this is true or not but was told to me by a vendor ...DONT CHECK YOUR TRACKING NUMBER WITH TOR RUNNING!!!!! Now supposedly your package could get flagged because the system notifies them of tor....i dunno better safe than sorry
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From personal experience in Canada youll be fine as long as it not schedule I or II....Ive had a package packed with benzos opened and then sent to me.....I honestly couldnt believe it that they actually sent an envelope full of loose pills through customs! Another time I had a pack of benzos 200+ stopped by customs and they sent me a letter. I think with the loose pills they couldnt ID them so they let it go. lol But when it comes to coke,h,meth,oxy etc pretty sure there going to do something about that if they find it even if the ammount isnt very high. With things like benzos and other pharms(maybe even oxy i dont know) you have the option of saying you use it as medicine and didnt know you need a script.....if your foreign this works much better ::)
Do not underestimate the CBSA. If you order loose pills and they cant identify them, they will send them to health canada for testing, this happened to me once. Luckily what I had ordered was a grey market item and they ended up sending it to me. It all depends on the customs agent, he can send it through, seize it or do a controlled delivery. Although the foremost is the most common, as a seizure would just create more work for the agent and nobody likes to do more work.
Yeah, substances I and II they will not be so lenient. I would be really shocked if they let a personal amount of that through without a siezure letter.
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Another thing I forgot to add and im not sure if this is true or not but was told to me by a vendor ...DONT CHECK YOUR TRACKING NUMBER WITH TOR RUNNING!!!!! Now supposedly your package could get flagged because the system notifies them of tor....i dunno better safe than sorry
Yes this is true. Never check tracking via Tor and never access MTGox via Tor
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I never could understand how Americans risk their lives to save a few bucks and wait 2 weeks with their fingers crossed. American SR vendors have all the drugs any person needs.
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Ever since the new commission system has been implemented I have not been re-selling international vendors items. Why? Mr. SR wants a commission on the sale from them to me and then wants a commission again on the sale of the very same items to the buyers.... totally sucks..
I got dozens of ways to get kilo's of whatever into the country with no recourse for customs to be able to do a damn thing about it but im not gonna do it if it means Im feeding into a bullshit ass system... its the principle of the matter.
Ill start vending international stuff again from within the US when Mr SR rescinds the double 'commission' rule and everyone will be in a much safer position... I guess we'll see if hes really about making everyone safer - if he is he'll fix this issue.
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From personal experience in Canada youll be fine as long as it not schedule I or II....Ive had a package packed with benzos opened and then sent to me.....I honestly couldnt believe it that they actually sent an envelope full of loose pills through customs! Another time I had a pack of benzos 200+ stopped by customs and they sent me a letter. I think with the loose pills they couldnt ID them so they let it go. lol But when it comes to coke,h,meth,oxy etc pretty sure there going to do something about that if they find it even if the ammount isnt very high. With things like benzos and other pharms(maybe even oxy i dont know) you have the option of saying you use it as medicine and didnt know you need a script.....if your foreign this works much better ::)
i think the whole point of SR is for schedule I & II
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People saying this is bullshit because I haven't stated my country on this public forum are idiots. I said in my second post I would tell people who PM'd me, and have done so (to people with reasonable post counts etc). Use your brains people, I'm not going to put information which could lead to identifying this "friend of a friend of a friend" for obvious reasons.
Anyways, PM if you want more info.
Bullshit! I PM'D you and if you think a vendor like me doesn't need/want to know information your not exactly being helpful are you? Mine wasnt even alot of questions. TBH i think it was just 'what country' in essence. If you use common sense and proper security, you really shouldn't be getting court... simple
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Your country expects to nail 1 in 10 packages? That is a pretty good ratio. I would only expect that is a country as diligent as australia. Your country sounds like an old monarchy or something where the king can just come in and take all your possessions and cut your head off for the fun of it.
People saying this is bullshit because I haven't stated my country on this public forum are idiots. I said in my second post I would tell people who PM'd me, and have done so (to people with reasonable post counts etc). Use your brains people, I'm not going to put information which could lead to identifying this "friend of a friend of a friend" for obvious reasons.
Anyways, PM if you want more info.
Bullshit! I PM'D you and if you think a vendor like me doesn't need/want to know information your not exactly being helpful are you? Mine wasnt even alot of questions. TBH i think it was just 'what country' in essence. If you use common sense and proper security, you really shouldn't be getting court... simple
Assume the OP is from Aus 8) where drugs are not the main priority on our borders. Food and plant material is. Border protection are more interested in finding food.... meat products, dairy, plant material etc that could harbor disease that we dont have on our pristine shores. Drugs are not a priority... our billion dollar industries are and because they are worth protecting they have a reasonable amount of resources.
And you better not wear dirty shoes coming into this country because they will take them off you and charge you for fumigation.
Any more info you want? I can give you my opinion ;)
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Your country expects to nail 1 in 10 packages? That is a pretty good ratio. I would only expect that is a country as diligent as australia. Your country sounds like an old monarchy or something where the king can just come in and take all your possessions and cut your head off for the fun of it.
People saying this is bullshit because I haven't stated my country on this public forum are idiots. I said in my second post I would tell people who PM'd me, and have done so (to people with reasonable post counts etc). Use your brains people, I'm not going to put information which could lead to identifying this "friend of a friend of a friend" for obvious reasons.
Anyways, PM if you want more info.
Bullshit! I PM'D you and if you think a vendor like me doesn't need/want to know information your not exactly being helpful are you? Mine wasnt even alot of questions. TBH i think it was just 'what country' in essence. If you use common sense and proper security, you really shouldn't be getting court... simple
Assume the OP is from Aus 8) where drugs are not the main priority on our borders. Food and plant material is. Border protection are more interested in finding food.... meat products, dairy, plant material etc that could harbor disease that we dont have on our pristine shores. Drugs are not a priority... our billion dollar industries are and because they are worth protecting they have a reasonable amount of resources.
And you better not wear dirty shoes coming into this country because they will take them off you and charge you for fumigation.
Any more info you want? I can give you my opinion ;)
river made references to "class a" drugs.... australia doesnt have class a drugs.
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class a schedule 1....maybe he watches too much American TV ;) maybe he was being vague detective billylee
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class a schedule 1....maybe he watches too much American TV ;) maybe he was being vague detective billylee
no such thing in australia as "class a schedule 1" its all schedules... as is for the USA and CANADA (they have class a for precursors)
Could be England and Wales; Scotland; Northern Ireland or new zealand....
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class a schedule 1....maybe he watches too much American TV ;) maybe he was being vague detective billylee
no such thing in australia as "class a schedule 1" its all schedules... as is for the USA and CANADA (they have class a for precursors)
Could be England and Wales; Scotland; Northern Ireland or new zealand....
I meant class A schedule 1 same same
I gotta stop watching 'Cops'.. I thought they mention Class A narcotics a lot. But I am only up to season 21 :o
Where are you from billylee?
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class a schedule 1....maybe he watches too much American TV ;) maybe he was being vague detective billylee
no such thing in australia as "class a schedule 1" its all schedules... as is for the USA and CANADA (they have class a for precursors)
Could be England and Wales; Scotland; Northern Ireland or new zealand....
I meant class A schedule 1 same same
I gotta stop watching 'Cops'.. I thought they mention Class A narcotics a lot. But I am only up to season 21 :o
Where are you from billylee?
same sandy place as you
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you probably live next door ;)
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you probably live next door ;)
in my travels of other countrys iv been asked if i know "steve the plumber from australia" and "rob the electriction" :o :o
just a quick edit this was posted in this thread by river "When Class A narcotics potentially leading to a Supply charge which is Life Imprisonment"
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you probably live next door ;)
in my travels of other countrys iv been asked if i know "steve the plumber from australia" and "rob the electriction" :o :o
just a quick edit this was posted in this thread by river "When Class A narcotics potentially leading to a Supply charge which is Life Imprisonment"
I know rob the electrician too!!
Are we still on the country of origin thing? because river has said he will tell anyone if he feels comfortable in doing so.
Or are we breaking down his comment, and from what I gathered he means there is potential to find more drugs from a smaller bust thus leading to a supply charge thus leading to a potential "maximum" sentence of life??
im getting confused lol
edit -tbh I dont think river should be stating anything more here until he gets an outcome and even then as much as we all would like to know what the outcome is, he should be careful.
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UK:
The Act sets out four separate categories: Class A, Class B, Class C and temporary class drugs. Substances may be removed and added to different parts of the schedule by statutory instrument, provided a report of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs has been commissioned and has reached a conclusion, although the Secretary of State is not bound by the council's findings.
Class A includes heroin, cocaine, crack, MDMA ("ecstasy"), methamphetamine, LSD and psilocybin mushrooms
Class B includes amphetamine, cannabis, codeine, and methylphenidate
Class C includes GHB, ketamine, diazepam, flunitrazepam and most other tranquillisers, sleeping tablets and benzodiazepines as well as anabolic steroids.
There are currently no temporary class drugs.
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OP hasnt chimed in for awhile. Maybe he figured out no one is going to fall for his scare tactics.
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OP hasnt chimed in for awhile. Maybe he figured out no one is going to fall for his scare tactics.
only a little school girl cries "scare tactics"...
the rest of us just get educated and carry on.
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as others stated, OP do not post anything more mate, its not worth the risk, the feds will be reading this if they are aware your mate was on SR..
as for you other fuckers,if he didnt reply, GET OVER IT, he chose not to tell you.
i sure as fuck feel sorry for these dudes. best of luck man!
Just shows you and the op are are big dicks that does tbh. He/she didn't have to reply to me no, I don't care, but it ain't exactly helpful to the community ass. Nor is this whole thread tbh without more detail. He probably realised scare tactics work on you and not others as well. A lot of gull able people out there. And you should know the risks before entering into anything. Same as life.it ain't fair but you make the most of it. Deal with the cards your handed, its all you can do: ) making purchases on here and selling is a complete unknown and at your own risk. I've upgraded security but still, what man makes, man breaks :)
As for this thread, only person I care for is DrAmsterdam. Hope he's not the one been tracked by parcels. My opinion of open and others as all but gone. Fuck em, I'm not a bad person but there is an increase of knob heads about unthourtunitly
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I've noticed a correlation between Bob Marley avatars and retarded posts.
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I believe the OP.
My guess is he's from the UK.
Warrants can be got on very flimsy and circumstantial evidence, believe me. Especially if they're sold to the judge as part of a much bigger operation.
If the police find anything at all the police can say it was a successful warrant, even if all you get is a caution.
If you ask for the intelligence that lead to the warrant, they'll tell you it's secret and part of an ongoing operation or involves a confidential source.
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I've noticed a correlation between Bob Marley avatars and retarded posts.
Haha +1
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I believe the OP.
My guess is he's from the UK.
Warrants can be got on very flimsy and circumstantial evidence, believe me. Especially if they're sold to the judge as part of a much bigger operation.
If the police find anything at all the police can say it was a successful warrant, even if all you get is a caution.
If you ask for the intelligence that lead to the warrant, they'll tell you it's secret and part of an ongoing operation or involves a confidential source.
You are all feeding a troll.
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I'd just like to point out that Dr. Amsterdam has STILL yet to reopen his SR account, when I think I remember it said he would be back in business on the 12th. To all those claiming the OP is a troll, I'm just saying...
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so is there actually anybody who has received an answer regarding the country? i didn't get one yet, so we are all either feeding a troll or it's DrAmsterdam himself concealing a scam? :-\
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so is there actually anybody who has received an answer regarding the country? i didn't get one yet, so we are all either feeding a troll or it's DrAmsterdam himself concealing a scam? :-\
Read whole thread in the future.
When asked if it was usa, a person claimed he said it wasn't.
Seriously, how did you not see that? it was on the first page :-\
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I believe the OP.
My guess is he's from the UK.
Warrants can be got on very flimsy and circumstantial evidence, believe me. Especially if they're sold to the judge as part of a much bigger operation.
If the police find anything at all the police can say it was a successful warrant, even if all you get is a caution.
If you ask for the intelligence that lead to the warrant, they'll tell you it's secret and part of an ongoing operation or involves a confidential source.
I believe you and you 2 posts....
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so is there actually anybody who has received an answer regarding the country? i didn't get one yet, so we are all either feeding a troll or it's DrAmsterdam himself concealing a scam? :-\
Yeah, I got a response from him. Don't think it's my place to post it here though. I know others did too as they posted earlier.
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fuck cops
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so is there actually anybody who has received an answer regarding the country? i didn't get one yet, so we are all either feeding a troll or it's DrAmsterdam himself concealing a scam? :-\
Read whole thread in the future.
When asked if it was usa, a person claimed he said it wasn't.
Seriously, how did you not see that? it was on the first page :-\
well "not usa" is not a location to me, nevermind though....
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OP is still around, I haven't been on here in a few days.
I've seen no evidence that this bust was related to a wider operation involving 'intel' from DRAmsterdam, or any other seller. As I previously stated, this came about because Customs decided to do some extra special checks of items coming in from the Netherlands. When you think about it, that's not particularly strange, is it.
So they found Class A narcotics vacuum sealed inside an envelope. You people who are accusing me of scare-mongering are using the defence that if this happened, Customs wouldn't bother following up because the paperwork is too difficult to compile? And they don't have the resources to do that?? Please.
Yes, they have to be careful about the basis of their Search Warrant, because if it can be proven in court that the warrant should not have been given in the first place, all evidence found from the warrant is thrown out the door, along with their case. But you'd have to say that professionally concealed Class A (yes I'm saying Class A and not any Schedule) narcotics being sent from an International location to a premise in your country would be grounds enough for a Search Warrant.
And, apparently they DO have the resources to do this because it happened.
That said, this is what happened in MY country. I have no idea if they are doing this anywhere else or not. I have no idea if they ended up catching DRAmsterdam in relation to this or not.
This site is about mitigating risks. You can't be 100%, all you can do is mitigate risks as much as possible. I'm simply providing information so those that are in the business of mitigating risks can do so potentially better. And people who are haphazardly ordering off here without being prepared or doing due-diligence might think twice....or at least do it properly.
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River, I have pm'ed you.
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OP is still around, I haven't been on here in a few days.
I've seen no evidence that this bust was related to a wider operation involving 'intel' from DRAmsterdam, or any other seller. As I previously stated, this came about because Customs decided to do some extra special checks of items coming in from the Netherlands. When you think about it, that's not particularly strange, is it.
So they found Class A narcotics vacuum sealed inside an envelope. You people who are accusing me of scare-mongering are using the defence that if this happened, Customs wouldn't bother following up because the paperwork is too difficult to compile? And they don't have the resources to do that?? Please.
Yes, they have to be careful about the basis of their Search Warrant, because if it can be proven in court that the warrant should not have been given in the first place, all evidence found from the warrant is thrown out the door, along with their case. But you'd have to say that professionally concealed Class A (yes I'm saying Class A and not any Schedule) narcotics being sent from an International location to a premise in your country would be grounds enough for a Search Warrant.
And, apparently they DO have the resources to do this because it happened.
That said, this is what happened in MY country. I have no idea if they are doing this anywhere else or not. I have no idea if they ended up catching DRAmsterdam in relation to this or not.
This site is about mitigating risks. You can't be 100%, all you can do is mitigate risks as much as possible. I'm simply providing information so those that are in the business of mitigating risks can do so potentially better. And people who are haphazardly ordering off here without being prepared or doing due-diligence might think twice....or at least do it properly.
PM me the country and I might believe you.
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OP is still around, I haven't been on here in a few days.
I've seen no evidence that this bust was related to a wider operation involving 'intel' from DRAmsterdam, or any other seller. As I previously stated, this came about because Customs decided to do some extra special checks of items coming in from the Netherlands. When you think about it, that's not particularly strange, is it.
So they found Class A narcotics vacuum sealed inside an envelope. You people who are accusing me of scare-mongering are using the defence that if this happened, Customs wouldn't bother following up because the paperwork is too difficult to compile? And they don't have the resources to do that?? Please.
Yes, they have to be careful about the basis of their Search Warrant, because if it can be proven in court that the warrant should not have been given in the first place, all evidence found from the warrant is thrown out the door, along with their case. But you'd have to say that professionally concealed Class A (yes I'm saying Class A and not any Schedule) narcotics being sent from an International location to a premise in your country would be grounds enough for a Search Warrant.
And, apparently they DO have the resources to do this because it happened.
That said, this is what happened in MY country. I have no idea if they are doing this anywhere else or not. I have no idea if they ended up catching DRAmsterdam in relation to this or not.
This site is about mitigating risks. You can't be 100%, all you can do is mitigate risks as much as possible. I'm simply providing information so those that are in the business of mitigating risks can do so potentially better. And people who are haphazardly ordering off here without being prepared or doing due-diligence might think twice....or at least do it properly.
PM me the country and I might believe you.
Fcuk off TS.. I mean that in the nicest possible way/
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PM me the country and I might believe you.
Seriously, people, WHAT IS TO GAIN from lying? Especially when OP has been so persistent! I'd like to add that there is overwhelming evidence in support of OP, including:
A) as far as I've seen, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there has STILL been no sighting of DRamsterdam. Anywhere. Forums, SR, PM's, nothing!
B) not only has he gone dark, but SR page is completely empty! Nothing on it whatsoever! Even if he was planning on doing this during his "transition," which seems unlikely, it's about 2 days since the time in which he claimed he would be coming back online.
C) finally, there have been numerous persons (myself included) who claim they have yet to receive their ordered package from the Dr.
So to anyone still claiming OP's a liar, you go right on believing that. But do us all a favor and just SHUT. THE FUCK. UP. kthxbi
btw, I don't know if it's been said, but I wanted to add a big ty to the OP for risking his/her safety in warning us. It's good to know there are some people left in this world willing to extend that kind of courtesy.
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Awww mann I hope its not NZ... oh well I was thinking about it, and this may apply to Aus as well, it would be foolish to send the likes of buds, mushies or mdma imo, as going through a scanner or the likes of would surely bring up a red light seeing it through x-ray? The only thing I can think that would be safe(r) to send would cid, as that could perhaps be concealed in a magazine, or pages etc etc...
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Thats a pretty honest post blockrockinbeats. I bet you are not the only one that feels the same.
Most of us will carry on using SR cautiously and some without a worry in the world.
IMO a this heads up from river will be a wake up call for those who have been using SR without considering the worst case scenario.
Some SR users do not have anything to lose, maybe already had convictions, no job, no relationship, no kids, no dog and would not care if the cops come knocking on their door.(or their mothers door)
Some SR users have lots to lose. Even if the cops cant convict, the very fact that they could come knocking at any given moment over some small personal amount they intercepted in the mail is enough to cause a strain on a relationship, job or give mother a panic attack.
I envy the members that dont give a fuck or never worry about getting busted. Cheers to you and your multiple packages ;)
Everyone gets caught eventually? I dont think so but those that have been in the game for many years, are squeaky clean, are very very rare and smart(maybe <5% luck)
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This thread and a PM from the OP revealing his country have spooked me enough that I've decided not to use SR anymore.
The risks are too high, and the consequences outweigh the benefits for me. It's just not worth it.
I can't handle the possibility of an arrest followed by a conviction, as well as all of the residents at my address being questioned.
I wasn't here for long - barely over a month. I got to trip on LSD, mushrooms, and some changa. I mainly ordered from domestic vendors, but even that is too risky in my opinion.
It was fun for a while, but it's not sustainable in the long-term.
I have a feeling that more reports like the OP's will surface and SR will come crashing down soon.
So that's it from me. Goodbye everyone. I won't be logging in again after this post.
I wish all of you the best of luck in your SR transactions. Be smart and stay safe. Be prepared for what could happen to you if you get caught. I believe that everyone gets caught eventually.
Thanks to the OP for giving me a wake-up call and a reality check before I got too involved in this site.
I couldn't agree more. Best case scenario if busted far out ways the hassle and paranoia, starting with money transfer trails to either Gov monitored easy BTC like MTGox or shady ones that may or may not be reliable to, hoping the person that your sending your info too is cool or not LE, the whole fed offense or Drugs in mail to being busted for the drugs themselves. two serious offenses. depending on which state you live in (me a good one) but i saw this shit this morning about this black kid. Maybe 18 or so getting 20 years for selling a 10 bag of crack...my point is the southern half of America is fucking bat shit crazy harsh with there drug laws. Have to fill the local prisons to give jobs now that there are none in those areas. paying ppl to watch other ppl in very harsh and unforgiving conditions. No cost risk analysis is it inst worth it! I would feel pretty stupid for getting busted and a good possibility of becoming an addict. Plus it would be so shitty having to take a pee test when I'm such a pot head. Local hook up thank Jesus. The stick that broke the camels was Anonymous getting hit and to much publicity. and then! and then! Pharmville going away for awhile. The rules and laws have changed quicker than one can keep up with too! Prices are pretty goddamned high too! me poor:) be safe! no when to bail
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This thread reeks of disillusionment. Of course there is a risk you can be arrested if you do illegal things. I thought that would have been obvious to people. The best you can ever hope to do is use security to lower your risk and try to minimize your priority by limiting your impact (or increase your impact to increase your profits). This is true for anyone, IRL or on the internet.
Tell me when you find an IRL dealer you can talk to over Tor and use encryption with. Also let me know when you have a massive index of reviews left on the quality of their service and products. IRL vendors tend to be much less secure, and LE could monitor their customers just as easily or plant undercovers almost as easily as online. Online LE does have a human intelligence benefit over IRL though, because they can do nym flooding attacks with single agents managing huge networks of cheap to create nyms.
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very well said blockrockinbeats. I must say, once reading this story, I have thought about things in a bit more depth...
most of us, simply by using this site would imply we are smart enough to use safe practices while on SR (maybe im naive in thinking that), and we are aware of the risks, and if convicted, the impact it will have on your life, and your family/friends.
i believe at a certain point, things will get crazy enough that govts in certain countries will be dumping resources into customs/board protection to prevent narcotics coming in through the postal system. as said, places like SR give anyone the connections to anything, in any amount, can turn a 5gram MDMA dealer into a 5ounce MDMA dealer in a week. and with media going on about it all the time there is only so much pissing on our foot govts will take. (smaller countries for example)
good luck n stay safe (;
I read observations like these and just shake my head. You guys read the headlines, but don't dig beyond the factless hyperbole spoonfed to you by the corporate and government propaganda machines. It's stupid to assume there's zero risk. By the same toke(n), it's stupid to give the powers that be too much credit.
The whole "LulzSec" and "Anonymous" bust would never have happened had the participants not been so fucking stupid in disclosing personal information. First off, the FBI managed to turn an unemployed pothead in his late 20's (Sabu) living in a housing project into an informant. They turned him with the cliched good cop/bad cop routine. He was compromised for six months preceding the arrest of the others. The FBI handed Sabu a laptop and logged all his activity.
Sabu's role was to tease out certain details about another member (Jeremy Hammond in Chicago). Sabu invested significant effort into linking together all the different aliases Hammond used. This is a giant red flag that Hammond should have picked up on, but most likely trusted Sabu due to his reputation as a kind of demigod. Hammond even admitted to Sabu that another individual's effort to link Hammond's aliases was met with silence. Ultimately, it was Hammond's trust of Sabu that fucked him.
The amount of work the FBI had to do to establish Hammond as the right suspect wasn't trivial. They combed through chat logs stored on Sabu's machine, looking for clues inadvertently left by Hammond that could be used to identify him in real life. Hammond made references to activist protests attended by his twin brother -- which the FBI managed to confirm. Hammond was also detained in '04 for protesting the RNC meeting hosted in NYC. He revealed that he hadn't been to NYC since the protest. And, of course, the FBI managed to score a record of Hammond's detention further corroborating the connection between Hammond and his online aliases. Hammond went on to mention time spent in a federal pen for hacking a conservative website. The FBI had made the arrest, so it obviously came up in their investigation FURTHER strengthening their case. As if that wasn't enough, Hammond confided to Sabu that he'd been busted for possession of pot and sat in county lockup for a few weeks and was now on probation. More self-incriminating and corroborating evidence. The FBI checked his jacket and saw that Hammond had been arrested for the weed and was on probation. The case got stronger. Hammond was also into "freeganism" (dumpster diving for unspoiled, wasted food disposed of by grocers and restaurants). He used one of his aliases to post about how great it was. Chicago authorities had been during surveillance on him right before his Federal imprisonment in '05 and that included agents seeing Hammond hop in the dumpsters to get food.
It's clear from the above that Hammond did a mighty fine job incriminating himself by revealing these personal details to Sabu. Had the FBI not been able to corroborate all the facts above, getting permission for surveillance would have likely been more difficult. Nonetheless, the FBI now had their suspect -- Hammond.
Hammond was also dumb for using a wireless router in his hacking activities. The FBI used a signal strength meter and directional antenna to confirm the location of his wireless signal in his apartment. They snagged the MAC address of each connected device. Mainly it was a single MacBook -- a fact which Hammond told Sabu. Using a wireless made it easy for the feds to capture his LAN traffic.
Next, the Feds had to obtain a pen register/trap&trace device that revealed IP addressing, but no actual traffic -- Feds were only allowed to see which IP addresses he connected to. They noticed he often connected to the Tor network, but weren't able to see inside the SSL tunnels. Nonetheless, they decided to put the fact that he used an "anonymizing" network in the affidavit, though use of something like Tor doesn't indicate guilt in and of itself.
And, just to make sure they hadn't fucked up, the Feds surveiling Hammond would call Sabu in NYC for verification that a suspected alias had left IRC or Jabber.
The lesson here is that Hammond's carelessness is what got him in trouble. There were numerous opportunities above to guard identifying information and make life difficult for the FBI surveillance team. Had the Feds never turned Sabu into an informant (for which he's now receiving death threats), Hammond would still be free. Even with Sabu as an informant, had Hammond been a little more suspicious and changed his behavior accordingly, he'd still be free. It took months for the Feds to figure this out and Hammond had a large part in helping incriminate himself. This is a shitload of time and money spent pursuing one dude who committed crimes much more severe than ordering a gram of coke or a few hits of acid.
Governments and customs already dump resources into narcotics arriving via postal service, but they don't have unlimited resources. I can foresee a few attempts to scare the shit out of everyone using SR with selective and highly publicized busts (although I rank that probability low), but likely they'll just continue focusing on large shipments being muled over the border in Mexico or arriving in shipping containers.
Also, though they'd never admit it, the US uses a lot of drug money to fund it's black ops -- read about the CIA and Ollie North. In Afghanistan, poppy production keeps a large part of its citizens from starving to death. Although the US may posture and wag its puritan finger at Afghanistan's dope production, the truth is that the drug trade provides employment for a lot of people in many other countries. Employment preserves political stability. If the DEA could make the US entirely drug free, countries like Mexico (where NAFTA has left formerly employed farmers unemployed, broke, and starving) and Afghanistan would disintegrate and cause major headaches. Conditions that catalyze the growth of terrorism.
This is a bit long-winded and rambling, but you need to think about SR in a broader context. Worrying about Sheriff Joe busting you is parochial. If you look into how SR effectively serves as a broker between sellers and consumers (even though the transactions are for prohibited substances), it's the government's best friend. It provides a bogey man to rail against during elections. And it contributes to the political stability of countries that might otherwise decide killing American citizens is better than starving to death.
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This isnt about the US or some fact less hyperbole spoon fed to us by the corporate and government propaganda machines!!
Its about some guy/girl who ordered some personal use drugs to a little corner of the globe and got busted.
The weak link here is not online security but something we all must expose ourselves to, called the postal service.
Not everyone can have anonymous drops or PO boxes open using fake documents or whatever. Some have no choice but to get drugs delivered to their personal residence.
Fact of the matter is...you can call it propaganda but I personally know of warrants/busts/no convictions going down for as little as what river ordered. The cops were fishing.
US cops dont have time to fish. They have lots of homicides involving guns to solve ;) :P
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If US cops don't have time to fish and are so busy solving gun crimes why are so many people in prison for personal use amounts of drugs
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lol you got me there. I was only just reading an article on L.E.A.P about prison populations in the US too.
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This isnt about the US or some fact less hyperbole spoon fed to us by the corporate and government propaganda machines!!
Its about some guy/girl who ordered some personal use drugs to a little corner of the globe and got busted.
The weak link here is not online security but something we all must expose ourselves to, called the postal service.
Not everyone can have anonymous drops or PO boxes open using fake documents or whatever. Some have no choice but to get drugs delivered to their personal residence.
Fact of the matter is...you can call it propaganda but I personally know of warrants/busts/no convictions going down for as little as what river ordered. The cops were fishing.
US cops dont have time to fish. They have lots of homicides involving guns to solve ;) :P
Can someone please post information on how requirements the police need to acquire a search warrant in the US? IF the cops were unable to obtain a warrant, this guy wouldnt have been busted for anything. This broscience thing where "the police can raid your house because some asshole mailed you contraband" I think, is absolute bullshit.
What needs to be determined here is how easily the police can or cannot obtain a warrant to raid your home. In the US your home is like your castle, its yours and no one else can enter it without your permission. This goes for anyone, including law enforcement. If LE raids your house they had better have some evidence to do so.
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I have already stated earlier how easy it is to get a warrant down under and about.
As for the rest of the world, that's not really any of my business ;)
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The risks are too high
Don't know about your local access, and whilst I completely agree SR seems like a ludicrous idea, the risks are higher if I go old school and ring my usual guy or find a contact in a club. I've worked on the other side of the bar in management, we know who many of the undercovers are, hell I've enjoyed many a night high with them; they're not after little fish, just big fish, but get caught in a bust (a was lucky by a day) and the risks IMHO are just as high, if not higher.
What we're doing, regardless of how we're doing it, is illegal. The risk is the same, the percentages just change.
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Stupidity aside, the risk of getting caught are roughly equal.
But that was not he personal risk I was referring to.
I meant what is important to you, may not be as important to somebody else.
A drug conviction for instance could be devastating to someone, whereas others quite obviously may not give a fuck.
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I have already stated earlier how easy it is to get a warrant down under and about.
As for the rest of the world, that's not really any of my business ;)
uote author=novocaine link=topic=14812.msg152155#msg152155 date=1331797181]
I have already stated earlier how easy it is to get a warrant down under and about.
As for the rest of the world, that's not really any of my business ;)
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No you didnt, you just said it was easy. That doesnt tell me fuck all. It is easy for police to get a warrant if you let your civil rights be violated.
I think for the police to get a warrant they would have to prove some sort of intent that you either purchased the contraband your self or had intent to recieve it. Without that evidence, they would be violating you civil rights, as anyone could have sent you that letter. Furthermore, here in canada, they have regulations that clearly state that any controlled substance imported for personal use will be siezed and the importer issued a siezure letter, rathar than a controlled delivery. For bust to occur, the police would:
1. GOING AGAINST THEIR MANDATE OR REGULATIONS(they would need a special reason to do this)
2. Have to do a controlled delivery in which they would require:
-A search warrant. To get a search warrant they would have to prove that the suspect had intended to receive the contraband. This would be almost impossible using SR unless the suspect signs for the package.
-Also, a search warrant must be valid otherwise all evidence found during search and siezure would be inadmissable.
Then once the police do all of that, the officer has to appear in court and give testimony, in an already swamped court system. There is a chance the court case would even be thrown out by the time you had your court appearance due to its insignifigance. If it makes it to court, then the judge will find the evidence found in the raid inadmissible because the police didnt have probable cause(if you didnt sign for package and covered your tracks online), then you claim plausible deniability and you go home where you are safe to order more dope form SR.
Furthermore, do you know canada legally lets people shoot heroin and supplys them with the syringes to do so? If you have been to east hasting street, you will see people shooting heroin outside of the local police department. Do you really think the police are going to do all of the above to get your for like 1 gram of coke when there are people shooting heroin infront of their police detachments?? I would say it is highly unlikely.
Do you have evidence im wrong? No you dont. If you do I would like to see it. But you and OP work in broscience so thats not going to happen.
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Im not saying its impossible to not get busted ordering form SR. But it is probobly safer than buying from a dealer if you order domestically. And probobly even safer of you order internationally too.
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Tell me when you find an IRL dealer you can talk to over Tor and use encryption with.
I only talk to IRL dealers using Off-The-Record Messaging encryption... it works on PCs, Linux, MacOS, and Android phones and is far superior to PGP.
In fact almost everyone in my entire life, I communicate via OTR over instant messenger rather than insecure spy platforms like cellular phone networks or e-mail... my family included.
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If US cops don't have time to fish and are so busy solving gun crimes why are so many people in prison for personal use amounts of drugs
Because every day I read about some idiot who got pulled over for speeding, acted suspicious, got searched, and drugs were found.
They aren't proactively locating these people. These people are delivering themselves into the hands of the police.
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I have already stated earlier how easy it is to get a warrant down under and about.
As for the rest of the world, that's not really any of my business ;)
uote author=novocaine link=topic=14812.msg152155#msg152155 date=1331797181]
I have already stated earlier how easy it is to get a warrant down under and about.
As for the rest of the world, that's not really any of my business ;)
No you didnt, you just said it was easy. That doesnt tell me fuck all. It is easy for police to get a warrant if you let your civil rights be violated.
I think for the police to get a warrant they would have to prove some sort of intent that you either purchased the contraband your self or had intent to recieve it. Without that evidence, they would be violating you civil rights, as anyone could have sent you that letter. Furthermore, here in canada, they have regulations that clearly state that any controlled substance imported for personal use will be siezed and the importer issued a siezure letter, rathar than a controlled delivery. For bust to occur, the police would:
1. GOING AGAINST THEIR MANDATE OR REGULATIONS(they would need a special reason to do this)
2. Have to do a controlled delivery in which they would require:
-A search warrant. To get a search warrant they would have to prove that the suspect had intended to receive the contraband. This would be almost impossible using SR unless the suspect signs for the package.
-Also, a search warrant must be valid otherwise all evidence found during search and siezure would be inadmissable.
Then once the police do all of that, the officer has to appear in court and give testimony, in an already swamped court system. There is a chance the court case would even be thrown out by the time you had your court appearance due to its insignifigance. If it makes it to court, then the judge will find the evidence found in the raid inadmissible because the police didnt have probable cause(if you didnt sign for package and covered your tracks online), then you claim plausible deniability and you go home where you are safe to order more dope form SR.
Furthermore, do you know canada legally lets people shoot heroin and supplys them with the syringes to do so? If you have been to east hasting street, you will see people shooting heroin outside of the local police department. Do you really think the police are going to do all of the above to get your for like 1 gram of coke when there are people shooting heroin infront of their police detachments?? I would say it is highly unlikely.
Do you have evidence im wrong? No you dont. If you do I would like to see it. But you and OP work in broscience so thats not going to happen.
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I did mention how easy it is to get a warrant and I also mentioned the way they get the warrant...what else is there?
I cannot fully comprehend what happens in your region. I dont live there. Your laws are different.
The same as I dont expect you to fully comprehend where I live, or a country with very similar laws.
You will never hear an Aussie cry "you are violating my civil rights!" lol That shit only happens in Hollywood.
Yes I know of legal injecting rooms in Canada. Did you know we have one in Australia with another being proposed?!?
It sounds like you have it all figured out anyway I dont know why I even bothered.
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Hi Everybody im back online! Still on vacation mode. Going to work trough a shitload of messages and reorganizing my office and my listings. At the moment i cant find some proper lsd to buy so i only got some small stock of the shiva's.
Hope i will be back on normal mode next monday!
Sorry for the lack of comunication the last week but there was no safe way for me to go online and answer all the messages i rreceived.
Kind regards, the Dr.
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But is this the real DrAmsterdam or have LE stuck him in Guantanamo and commenced 'Operation Piperazine?? !!! :)
Sorry, couldn't resist. But seriously, I think you might have some convincing to do with some people DrA.
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Just be aware of the risk. Simple way - know your rights, know your laws and if the authority wakes you up with a gun in your face. Keep cool! you know what now happens. Bc you knew it before.
For personal use, I dont see a problem in the western world. Just prepare yourself. Get your order and CLEAN ALL THE TRAILS! (stamps, adresses, vaccuum sealing destroy it, burn it, flush it) And do it before you roll.
If you are vending its a different game! There are more steps to do to secure you.
But if they bust me with my stash. I dont care much. OK it sucks but it wont bring me in prison.
I am glad I have the right to consume what I want.... just the possession thing is tricky ,-)
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lol DRa came back. I told you guys there was nothing to worry about. River was just jerking your chains abit.
SR is like the stock market, driven by fear and greed.
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I have already stated earlier how easy it is to get a warrant down under and about.
As for the rest of the world, that's not really any of my business ;)
I did mention how easy it is to get a warrant and I also mentioned the way they get the warrant...what else is there?
I cannot fully comprehend what happens in your region. I dont live there. Your laws are different.
The same as I dont expect you to fully comprehend where I live, or a country with very similar laws.
You will never hear an Aussie cry "you are violating my civil rights!" lol That shit only happens in Hollywood.
Yes I know of legal injecting rooms in Canada. Did you know we have one in Australia with another being proposed?!?
It sounds like you have it all figured out anyway I dont know why I even bothered.
I combed through the thread but didnt see anything. That sucks australia doesnt have a bill of rights or a charter of rights.
No I didnt know that you guys had one too. But you can kinda see my point there right? They have all these junkies in one concentrated area shooting dope infront of police officers and not getting arrested. That being said, it makes it very unlikely that the police would go through alll the steps of trying to bust you for a personal amount of drugs you ordered through the mail.
And to add to the unlikelyhood of a bust for perosnal amounts, the border agents are probobly rewarded or get promotions or something based on how much contraband they are able to find, sieze, and based on how many convictions they help get. It would be counterproductive for a border agent to pursue small amounts of drugs, whilst they could be pursuing the larger shipments. The opportunity cost for a border agent to pursue small amounts of drugs is much higher than going after large amounts of drugs.
I dont have it all figured out, these are just my thoughts based on common sense and some research ive done.
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toysolider, you are the biggest dumbass i've ever seen on these boards. and that's saying something. your level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.
'plausible deniability' is not even a defense in court ... it's called 'insufficient evidence' but i wouldn't expect you to know that. you sound like you are a young kid , a self-proclaimed know-it-all , talking out loud , desperately trying reassure others (thus reassuring yourself) that what we do here, is in fact, safe.
it is not safe. SR entails risk -- perhaps low risk with serious consequences, but risk nonetheless. anyone claiming otherwise is in denial. and it's clear you are in deep deep denial.
whether it is more or less risky than buying drugs on the street is up for debate, but the risk exists. we need to be watchful for new trends. people have already been arrested / discovered, and that number is small, but the trend will continue to grow. it doesn't do anyone any good to stick one's head in the sand and pretend that these things never happen -- but that is apparently what you are content to do.
the fact you are trying to discredit an obvious credible (River) claim that can help protect people here from getting busted colorfully illustrates why you are a fucking idiot and deserve no respect or credibility. you are a newbie trying to impose your worldview upon others to help yourself sleep at night.
luckily, the vast majority of people on here (minus the dumbasses like yourself, and the unlucky) will continue to operate with impunity, but that will not continue forever. the DEA/customs will eventually figure out a way to conduct data mining attacks and the package interception rate will jump an order of magnitude or more. hopefully this is at least 18 months away. Until then , the busts will be sporadic , like we are seeing now.
the claim by River is obviously real , and anyone with even the most basic functioning discernment can see that is the case. further more, anyone with half a brain will take the proper precautions -- whatever that means to them on an individual level (quit ordering internationally, encrypt laptop hard drive, change addresses/vendors, whatever).
the dumbasses like toysoldier will continue to pretend that there is no risk to themselves, repeating over and over that LE will not bother with 1g of H or C, will ignore evidence to the contrary regardless of its obvious truth , will tell themselves that SR is completely safe , and other such fairy tales, until one day, two months from now, six months from now, absolutely when they list expect it, until the police show up unannounced with a search warrant ... surprised and mortified that in fact, LE *did* have probably cause to obtain a warrant, that 'pretend' internet defenses from 'pretend' internet lawyers that all you had to do was never sign for it was a load of horse shit people tell themselves to sleep at night, as the house gets raided for evidence, and as the cops find a couple of envelopes in the trash with return addresses from other sellers on SR, and drug residue on the inside...
now there is enough evidence to prosecute ,and you will end up charged just like the original poster of this thread. in many areas of the U.S., possession of a gram or two of H or E is enough to get an intent to distribute charge. there is a good possibility of spending a few months, possibly a year or two in jail. i really hope it ends up being you, because of all the people on here, you deserve it the most .
pride comes before the fall, and ignorance will not protect you.
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toysolider, you are the biggest dumbass i've ever seen on these boards. and that's saying something. your level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.
'plausible deniability' is not even a defense in court ... it's called 'insufficient evidence' but i wouldn't expect you to know that. you sound like you are a young kid , a self-proclaimed know-it-all , talking out loud , desperately trying reassure others (thus reassuring yourself) that what we do here, is in fact, safe.
it is not safe. SR entails risk -- perhaps low risk with serious consequences, but risk nonetheless. anyone claiming otherwise is in denial. and it's clear you are in deep deep denial.
whether it is more or less risky than buying drugs on the street is up for debate, but the risk exists. we need to be watchful for new trends. people have already been arrested / discovered, and that number is small, but the trend will continue to grow. it doesn't do anyone any good to stick one's head in the sand and pretend that these things never happen -- but that is apparently what you are content to do.
the fact you are trying to discredit an obvious credible (River) claim that can help protect people here from getting busted colorfully illustrates why you are a fucking idiot and deserve no respect or credibility. you are a newbie trying to impose your worldview upon others to help yourself sleep at night.
luckily, the vast majority of people on here (minus the dumbasses like yourself, and the unlucky) will continue to operate with impunity, but that will not continue forever. the DEA/customs will eventually figure out a way to conduct data mining attacks and the package interception rate will jump an order of magnitude or more. hopefully this is at least 18 months away. Until then , the busts will be sporadic , like we are seeing now.
the claim by River is obviously real , and anyone with even the most basic functioning discernment can see that is the case. further more, anyone with half a brain will take the proper precautions -- whatever that means to them on an individual level (quit ordering internationally, encrypt laptop hard drive, change addresses/vendors, whatever).
the dumbasses like toysoldier will continue to pretend that there is no risk to themselves, repeating over and over that LE will not bother with 1g of H or C, will ignore evidence to the contrary regardless of its obvious truth , will tell themselves that SR is completely safe , and other such fairy tales, until one day, two months from now, six months from now, absolutely when they list expect it, until the police show up unannounced with a search warrant ... surprised and mortified that in fact, LE *did* have probably cause to obtain a warrant, that 'pretend' internet defenses from 'pretend' internet lawyers that all you had to do was never sign for it was a load of horse shit people tell themselves to sleep at night, as the house gets raided for evidence, and as the cops find a couple of envelopes in the trash with return addresses from other sellers on SR, and drug residue on the inside...
now there is enough evidence to prosecute ,and you will end up charged just like the original poster of this thread. in many areas of the U.S., possession of a gram or two of H or E is enough to get an intent to distribute charge. there is a good possibility of spending a few months, possibly a year or two in jail. i really hope it ends up being you, because of all the people on here, you deserve it the most .
pride comes before the fall, and ignorance will not protect you.
Here here! +1
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the claim by River is obviously real , and anyone with even the most basic functioning discernment can see that is the case.
I'm far less certain of that. There's something not right here. Some of the things River said don't make any sense whatsoever. However the OP has been editing and it's harder to see that now. Also, another poster pointed out that the OP used to have negative karma, and then suddenly it became +5, which is extraordinary given he has 10 posts.
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If someone really did get busted, its a damn shame :(
BUT
If you think LE doesnt know about, login on, use, order from, and post on the forums of SR then you are very naive.
SR is far too casual, people seem to think that if they have the TOR browser bundle, they are completely anonymous and safe. There are tons of posts where people drop information into the public domain about where they are, what they ordered, when it arrived etc etc. We are all guilty of it.
The SR site and system works, its the people who use it who are the problem. We should all be more cautious, use the system better, more anonymously, be more clever, not stupid. DONT send shit to your home address using your real name even! If you cant even do that, dont order, you are asking for trouble.
Get your shit together before you place an order, that person, if they got busted for real should have fucking known better, or should have had no place putting in an order. Its harsh, I know, but they probably had no business ordering on SR.
I for one have also recently had a scare, and a big wakeup call, its stressful, and I didnt even get bust! But I am already safer, using better technology, being smarter. We should all be doing this.
I really wish the guy well (if this person really got bust), its something I wouldnt even wish on an enemy, such a shame....but come on guys, SR is STILL safer, and more reliable than real life face to face dealings.
If you think using SR is risky, its nothing compared to the risk you take in real life meetings. The manpower and resources put aside for online tracking and monitoring of sites like SR etc, is nothing compared to what the cops have available to them in real life.
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the claim by River is obviously real , and anyone with even the most basic functioning discernment can see that is the case.
I'm far less certain of that. There's something not right here. Some of the things River said don't make any sense whatsoever. However the OP has been editing and it's harder to see that now. Also, another poster pointed out that the OP used to have negative karma, and then suddenly it became +5, which is extraordinary given he has 10 posts.
Thank you pine sol. Repped.
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DONT send shit to your home address using your real name even! If you cant even do that, dont order, you are asking for trouble.
Get your shit together before you place an order, that person, if they got busted for real should have fucking known better, or should have had no place putting in an order. Its harsh, I know, but they probably had no business ordering on SR.
I think that was the point of rivers original post.
the claim by River is obviously real , and anyone with even the most basic functioning discernment can see that is the case.
I'm far less certain of that. There's something not right here. Some of the things River said don't make any sense whatsoever. However the OP has been editing and it's harder to see that now. Also, another poster pointed out that the OP used to have negative karma, and then suddenly it became +5, which is extraordinary given he has 10 posts.
Maybe the river is editing like a mofu because of what is going down IRL? if he is he is doing himself a favour.
+5 Karma on 10 posts. I guess some people appreciate the heads up. BTW he was -1 at one point. I accidentally gave the -1 instead of +1 but corrected it the next day.
It is hard to make sense of it all until you witness shit similar go down yourself.
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toysolider, you are the biggest dumbass i've ever seen on these boards. and that's saying something. your level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.
'plausible deniability' is not even a defense in court ... it's called 'insufficient evidence' but i wouldn't expect you to know that. you sound like you are a young kid , a self-proclaimed know-it-all , talking out loud , desperately trying reassure others (thus reassuring yourself) that what we do here, is in fact, safe.
it is not safe. SR entails risk -- perhaps low risk with serious consequences, but risk nonetheless. anyone claiming otherwise is in denial. and it's clear you are in deep deep denial.
whether it is more or less risky than buying drugs on the street is up for debate, but the risk exists. we need to be watchful for new trends. people have already been arrested / discovered, and that number is small, but the trend will continue to grow. it doesn't do anyone any good to stick one's head in the sand and pretend that these things never happen -- but that is apparently what you are content to do.
the fact you are trying to discredit an obvious credible (River) claim that can help protect people here from getting busted colorfully illustrates why you are a fucking idiot and deserve no respect or credibility. you are a newbie trying to impose your worldview upon others to help yourself sleep at night.
luckily, the vast majority of people on here (minus the dumbasses like yourself, and the unlucky) will continue to operate with impunity, but that will not continue forever. the DEA/customs will eventually figure out a way to conduct data mining attacks and the package interception rate will jump an order of magnitude or more. hopefully this is at least 18 months away. Until then , the busts will be sporadic , like we are seeing now.
the claim by River is obviously real , and anyone with even the most basic functioning discernment can see that is the case. further more, anyone with half a brain will take the proper precautions -- whatever that means to them on an individual level (quit ordering internationally, encrypt laptop hard drive, change addresses/vendors, whatever).
the dumbasses like toysoldier will continue to pretend that there is no risk to themselves, repeating over and over that LE will not bother with 1g of H or C, will ignore evidence to the contrary regardless of its obvious truth , will tell themselves that SR is completely safe , and other such fairy tales, until one day, two months from now, six months from now, absolutely when they list expect it, until the police show up unannounced with a search warrant ... surprised and mortified that in fact, LE *did* have probably cause to obtain a warrant, that 'pretend' internet defenses from 'pretend' internet lawyers that all you had to do was never sign for it was a load of horse shit people tell themselves to sleep at night, as the house gets raided for evidence, and as the cops find a couple of envelopes in the trash with return addresses from other sellers on SR, and drug residue on the inside...
now there is enough evidence to prosecute ,and you will end up charged just like the original poster of this thread. in many areas of the U.S., possession of a gram or two of H or E is enough to get an intent to distribute charge. there is a good possibility of spending a few months, possibly a year or two in jail. i really hope it ends up being you, because of all the people on here, you deserve it the most .
pride comes before the fall, and ignorance will not protect you.
Well lets explore deeper into what you think is safer. Domestic or international shipping? It seems obvious right? Let me quote you on this from one of your previous posts:
""I haven't had any shipments disappear / seized yet, and I am pretty confident that will continue to be the case. There is no customs declaration for mail entering the U.S. from Canada (from my side anyway), and Tony's packaging is great. I try to keep each individual order small but to date I've received everything I've ordered. HONESTLY, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ORDERING SMALL AMOUNTS OF TONYS H FROM CANADA THAN I DO WITH DOMESTIC VENDORS BECAUSE I KNOW TONY USES GOOD SECURITY PRACTICES, ALWAYS USES PGP AND HAS GOOD PACKAGING, REPONDS OT MY MESSAGES AND QUESTIONS, ETC.
You SAY YOU ARE SO FUCKING SMART THAT YOU SWITCH VENDORS, DONT ORDER INTERNATIONALLY. BUT IN ALL YOUR POSTS YOUVE ORDERED FROM THE SAME VENDOR REPEATEDLY AND HAVE ORDERED INTERNATIONALLY MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN YOU COULD HAVE ORDERED DOMESTICALLY. YOU ALSO CLAIM ITS SAFER TO ORDER INTERNATIONALLY THAN DOMESTIC. YOU CALL ME AN IDIOT FUCK YOU PHAGGOT. FUCKING RETARD. """
I will not comment on anything else you said in the post in this thread, because you must be retarded or something.
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"""Here here! +1""""
AND YOU.... THE ONLY FUCKING POSTS YOU HAVE MADE ON THIS FORUM IS THE ONES IN THIS THREAD. WHAT DID YOU MAKE AN ACCOUNT HERE JUST SO YOU COULD SUBSTANTIATE RIVERS BULLSHIT? WHY DONT YOU MAKE POSTS IN OTHER THREADS?
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WHEN WILL YOU ALL REALIZE THAT RIVER IS FULL OF SHIT??? DRA CAME BACK, WHILST RIVER CLAIMED HE WAS TAKEN DOWN BY THE COPS. SO HE WAS WRONG ABOUT THAT, WHAT ELSE IS HE WRONG ABOUT TOO?
I HAVE PMED HIM FOR MORE INFORMATION AND HE HASNT SAID SHIT YET, THIS MAKES ME EVEN MORE SUSPICIOUS.
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Novocane, I thought you would know better, having 500+ posts here to blindly trust rivers word whom provided no evidence to back up his claims, was wrong about DRa, and seems to have a group of lackeys with no posts blindly supporting his claims.
I just dont see how this guys word can be trusted in any way shape or form.
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Quite a bit of derailing in this thread now....
I'll state some obvious things which some people seem to need stated.
#1 - I have a low post count because I quite obviously created a new Forum account for the purposes of posting this story. To state the obvious even more for people, if I used my old/usual forum account, it would make it much easier to track me down and figure out who I am and where I'm from based on my previous posts, and that can't happen.
#2 - I'm not replying to everyone who PMs me. If you don't get a reply it's because I don't trust you, either because your post count is too low (Maybe LE trying to figure out who I am?) or, I just don't like you because you're a dick and I don't feel inclined to help you. (Toysoldier anyone?)
#3 - This is all real. Everything I've said is real. There's Zero benefit to me to help you guys. There's plenty of benefit for those who digest the information I've provided, and use it to make themselves safer. My "friend of a friend of a friend" didn't deserve to be in this situation, and let his defences down due to the blase nature of this site, and many people on here. At the same time he's taken responsibility for his actions and isn't blaming anyone else.
#4 - If you expect me to put up evidence to prove this claim, then you're an idiot and no amount of help or information would help you anyway. But just to state the obvious again, if I put up too much information then LE who are most definitely still investigating this case might figure out which case this information is related to and use it against my "friend of a friend of a friend". Why that concept is so difficult for people on a forum of this nature to understand is beyond me.
I do have some more information which could definitely be helpful, but its probably a bit too specific to mention yet. But the legal process is ticking along and eventually it should be safe enough to mention. A lot of it is definitely specific to mine and my "friend of a friend of a friend"'s particular country, but the concepts Customs have used will still be relevant to other countries, I think.
I'm not posting this to make people paranoid for shits and giggles. It is a little bit hilarious reading people trying to convince themselves that this sort of thing doesn't happen, and that I'm potentially LE...or a really really determined Troll. Those people should ask themselves why they find it so hard to believe this story.
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hold on, customs came in, raided the guy and found other drugs right?
theres your problem...
from my unerstanding, he hasnt been charged because of the drugs in the mail. but because he was raided and had drugs found. We all know that happens. surely we all knew this was a risk?
Like if you run a tight operation, police kick your door down and find an 1/8 of weed. your going to get stung for the weed, not for the operation. So i guess either send to a different address or PO box and you'd be fine?
or did i misunderstand the OP and the charges relate to the intercepted order?
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hold on, customs came in, raided the guy and found other drugs right?
theres your problem...
from my unerstanding, he hasnt been charged because of the drugs in the mail. but because he was raided and had drugs found. We all know that happens. surely we all knew this was a risk?
Like if you run a tight operation, police kick your door down and find an 1/8 of weed. your going to get stung for the weed, not for the operation. So i guess either send to a different address or PO box and you'd be fine?
or did i misunderstand the OP and the charges relate to the intercepted order?
The fact is we dont know what happened. Actually, we dont know anything about it at all! His friend of a friend could have been lying to river for all we know just to fuck with him and make him paranoid about using SR. Furthermore, river openly talked about his SR use with all his friends which leads me to believe that his and his friends online security was probably lacking as well. And if they were that dumb to tell everyone about SR, it is also likely that when customs came knocking on their door, that they talked and said something incriminating or something. his friends house probobly wasnt clean either. Sounds like their own stupidity got them caught, if it actually did happen.
Again, he purposely hyped up the DRa thing, which turned out to be a total farce. Seems he has intent to damage and destroy SRs awesome little community with his unsubstantiated claims, and lack of details.
He can defend himself all he wants, but until he provides us with information he should GTFO. He is not doing anyone a favor. In fact he is doing the opposite. He acts like he is acting in your best interests, but if there was substantial risk to him for posting this stuff, like a 7 year maximum prison sentence for possesion of a controlled substance, he WOULD NOT BE POSTING ANYTHING AT ALL.
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""""The legal process is ticking along"""
ITS BEEN ONE FUCKING DAY, WHAT KIND OF TICKING DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IN A DAY IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM?? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. IT CAN TAKE A LONG TIME FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN AND I DOUBT YOUR FRIENDS CASE HAS A PRIORITY.
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Toysoilder, All I know is that this thread woke me up a lot. I had ordered from DrAmsterdam in late feb and I am not the only one who has not received their orders and I find that off.
It could be anything from the packages were never sent, to the packages are actually badly packaged to even the bag he had all the orders in ripped a bit and they fell out.
All I know is that there is a big chunk of people with missing orders who ordered around the same time. What ticks me off is that I had originally paid for the shipping from Belgium because I NEVER wanted an order from NL to my country and he accidently processed it with the rest of the orders from NL and I am getting offered 65% refund being told he is making a loss as well.
I am not sure if I believe that.
xLadyShhhx
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but isnt the point of this set up that proof of the intent to posses the INTERCEPTED package is hard if not impossible to establish.
Sure they can find a parcel being sent to you. but if you do it right, they will find it real hard if not impossible to establish a proof of purchase or that your aware of the product at all. Thats why i feel safe. have it sent to a clean house and your fine really. Unless your fucking with bulk bulk orders, then expect to have the computor at that address taken and examined. even still, do it right and you have a reasonable doubt in court...
Of coarse, if you have product sent to a residents with drugs in, surely its clear if they do raid you your screwed? but not because of your SR purchase, because of your drugs. that's a no brainer.
or am i wrong? this is how i understand the situation, as such, i feel really safe ordering how i do. But if someone could tell me why im wrong i might have to rethink my approach i guess.
just wondering what everyone else's take is really...
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""""The legal process is ticking along"""
ITS BEEN ONE FUCKING DAY, WHAT KIND OF TICKING DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IN A DAY IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM?? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. IT CAN TAKE A LONG TIME FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN AND I DOUBT YOUR FRIENDS CASE HAS A PRIORITY.
Stop yelling! We can hear you! And just as a side note everyone should check Anonymous police state video, there's something to keep you up at night:( And there's this...http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/03/petraeus-tv-remote/?utm_source
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you can all neg me into oblivion, but when it turns out that this river guy is a fraud, then you better fucking rep me back into positive karma.
For now I will stfu. Have fun being played like a bunch of chumps. I have had enough of this thread. I dont care if you guys want to believe him or not.
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Maybe the river is editing like a mofu because of what is going down IRL? if he is he is doing himself a favour.
+5 Karma on 10 posts. I guess some people appreciate the heads up. BTW he was -1 at one point. I accidentally gave the -1 instead of +1 but corrected it the next day.
It is hard to make sense of it all until you witness shit similar go down yourself.
There's every chance you're correct, besides which anything by anybody can be said on a forum and there's no guarantee it's truth or lie. In regard to River's legitimacy, I am agnostic on the subject, there's a whole lot of smoke and not too much light.
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the claim by River is obviously real , and anyone with even the most basic functioning discernment can see that is the case.
I'm far less certain of that. There's something not right here. Some of the things River said don't make any sense whatsoever. However the OP has been editing and it's harder to see that now. Also, another poster pointed out that the OP used to have negative karma, and then suddenly it became +5, which is extraordinary given he has 10 posts.
Thank you pine sol. Repped.
Well, I'm not sure you should be thanking me, since I'm not particularly sure about you either!
Consider that using uppercase capitalization for entire paragraphs makes you sound unhinged. Also; you could just as easily be LE as River. For all we know, you work for customs and that is why you keep demanding to know the host country. Maybe DrAmsterdam has been uncovered and has defected to LE, thus explaining his 'holiday time'. Maybe you're right about River and Novacaine also works for LE, which explains peculiar elements of River's posts and profile. Maybe toysolider1, River, DrAmsterdam and pine are all the same person.
My point is that while you should be skeptical, there are severe limits on what you can take from a public forum as truth, it's very hard to confirm anything, so you should take everything you hear, from anybody, with a grain of salt.
One other thing:
What needs to be determined here is how easily the police can or cannot obtain a warrant to raid your home. In the US your home is like your castle, its yours and no one else can enter it without your permission. This goes for anyone, including law enforcement. If LE raids your house they had better have some evidence to do so.
This is not really true at all. As KMF repeatedly explains, the police play dirty on a regular basis. What really happens, is that a detective feels suspicious about your home e.g. he thinks you are growing weed or something. A heat-scan of your house, or a dog is walked past in order to substantiate this in the detective's mind. Then they can put you on observation until you fuck up. e.g. driving too fast, having a broken taillight (even broken by LE personal 'by accident'). And believe me, you will fuck up, or they will manufacture the circumstances in which you fuck up. Then they will derive grounds for suspicion and search your house.
An even more common practice is to simply to place a 'anonymous' phonecall from a reliable (haha) 'informant'. It is of course, the detective leaving himself a voice message from a payphone or something similar. Again, reasonable grounds for suspicion have been cultivated. This is practically standard practice, since the origin of confidential informants and their information is usually protected by law and records are usually simply not kept even for real informants. Ever wonder how informants seem to be everywhere and account for the majority of leads? Now you know, the police work is done in reverse so it all makes sense to the court.
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Peoples perception of the protections they have in the USA are much better than reality. Add in that LE frequently get away with breaking the law and it is pretty shitty situation for people to be in.
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Everyone who posted in this thread before me is LE.
Oh you sneaky bastiches, we're on to you.
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I almost wish I could convince myself to be paranoid because of this for my own safety, but I just can't. Unless this guy is living in a country with truly draconian drug laws (Japan, UAE, Singapore), it's just not feasible that he would be arrested and charged for ordering a personal amount of drugs from DRAmsterdam without anything else to provide evidence for a conviction.
If he is a notable drug dealer in the area and LE already knew about that, then I guess it's believable that they would use the customs seizure as an excuse to search his home.
Even if they're arresting him on the customs seizure and that alone, that shouldn't be much of a big deal. You wouldn't need a very good lawyer to get out of that. LE would need explicit proof that he personally and intentionally ordered the drugs from DRAmsterdam in order to convict him. I have no doubt that if they really wanted to they could obtain that proof, but I seriously doubt they would go through the trouble of doing that for a personal amount of drugs in this day and age.
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I almost wish I could convince myself to be paranoid because of this for my own safety, but I just can't. Unless this guy is living in a country with truly draconian drug laws (Japan, UAE, Singapore), it's just not feasible that he would be arrested and charged for ordering a personal amount of drugs from DRAmsterdam without anything else to provide evidence for a conviction.
If he is a notable drug dealer in the area and LE already knew about that, then I guess it's believable that they would use the customs seizure as an excuse to search his home.
Even if they're arresting him on the customs seizure and that alone, that shouldn't be much of a big deal. You wouldn't need a very good lawyer to get out of that. LE would need explicit proof that he personally and intentionally ordered the drugs from DRAmsterdam in order to convict him. I have no doubt that if they really wanted to they could obtain that proof, but I seriously doubt they would go through the trouble of doing that for a personal amount of drugs in this day and age.
This.
I wonder if OPs friend was hung by the gallows in singapore yet. OP please post pics of him when you go to his execution.
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Pine sol....
Can you explain to me how the cops are gonna search your house for you driving too fast? This is really getting really extreme guys... talking about cops trying to frame your for 1g of coke, and going to exsessive lengths to break the law in order to bust you for it. Come on, you are not that special. I can see them doing that for a large amount of drugs, but 1 gram, really?
If I was customs I would already know about the bust and which country it originated from and which country it was sent to.
I call stupidity on rivers friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friends bust. If it happened.
Still waiting on gallows pics.
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@toysoldier1, Ondine
You don't get it. The USA *does* have draconian drug laws. It's just that the supply of drug is so widespread and the application of the existing laws is mostly targeted on those who can't make a fuss. If you have dollars to spare, it's not going to be a problem. Otherwise, it is. There are differences between states, but fundamentally they are rather extreme. It *is* possible to get life imprisonment for possession. You've a Hollywood version of the American justice system in your heads, it's not like that at all. In many cases, the concept of innocent until proven guilty is perverted. In some states you can get a $6000 fine for merely having a bong and *intending* to smoke weed. i.e. you are guilty of thought-crime.
Your central mistake is to believe that the DEA and local government are rational beings. That is not something you can rely on. Once they get it into their heads that somebody is a problem, they'll make that person's life a misery. If anybody else did this, it would be stalking, and technically it is, but they're getting overtime pay to do it.
Listen carefully to what I say next. This is completely separate from any '1g' legal business.
The DEA, in combination with local police, has killed drug distributors and dealers before now. That's flat out executed, no trial or jury. This is not even a rare occurrence, it is usually misreported in some manner, winding up in the gangland violence category of statistics from the government. This is not something I can prove to you, but I know it is true because I've been around for a while. This is a real war, not a metaphorical one. They have even murdered their own officers when some police try to speak out this against such covert activities. Some of these men are on holy crusades, they are zealots.
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Look, I'm not going to try and convince you either way, do some research into the misdemeanor and felony sentencing laws and you'll quickly find out it's a fucking tightrope. If you have an ounce of weed in one state, it's a $100 fine, in another you're a major drug dealer with automatic incarnation.
Do your research for your State and DOC. All this information is on the clearweb. I'm not making any of this up.
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@toysoldier1, Ondine
You don't get it. The USA *does* have draconian drug laws. It's just that the supply of drug is so widespread and the application of the existing laws is mostly targeted on those who can't make a fuss. If you have dollars to spare, it's not going to be a problem. Otherwise, it is. There are differences between states, but fundamentally they are rather extreme. It *is* possible to get life imprisonment for possession. You've a Hollywood version of the American justice system in your heads, it's not like that at all. In many cases, the concept of innocent until proven guilty is perverted. In some states you can get a $6000 fine for merely having a bong and *intending* to smoke weed. i.e. you are guilty of thought-crime.
Your central mistake is to believe that the DEA and local government are rational beings. That is not something you can rely on. Once they get it into their heads that somebody is a problem, they'll make that person's life a misery. If anybody else did this, it would be stalking, and technically it is, but they're getting overtime pay to do it.
Listen carefully to what I say next. This is completely separate from any '1g' legal business.
The DEA, in combination with local police, has killed drug distributors and dealers before now. That's flat out executed, no trial or jury. This is not even a rare occurrence, it is usually misreported in some manner, winding up in the gangland violence category of statistics from the government. This is not something I can prove to you, but I know it is true because I've been around for a while. This is a real war, not a metaphorical one. They have even murdered their own officers when some police try to speak out this against such covert activities. Some of these men are on holy crusades, they are zealots.
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Look, I'm not going to try and convince you either way, do some research into the misdemeanor and felony sentencing laws and you'll quickly find out it's a fucking tightrope. If you have an ounce of weed in one state, it's a $100 fine, in another you're a major drug dealer with automatic incarnation.
Do your research for your State and DOC. All this information is on the clearweb. I'm not making any of this up.
Believe me, I understand US drug laws very well. I was arrested for possession of almost 2 ounces of marijuana last year, although at the time I was living in a state with a rather lax stance regarding weed. I know that certain states in the US have much harsher penalties than others regarding drug possession, but that's not what this is about.
Silkroad and the whole internet drug trade is on an entirely different level from what state LE usually deals with regarding drugs. It's one thing for a cop to pull a reckless driver over, find a gram of cocaine in his car and arrest him in california. The driver had drugs on his person. That's clear evidence. When someone receives a gram of cocaine in the mail, it isn't theirs until they open and take it into their house. Sure, police can arrest you if they find a gram of cocaine in your mail, but your defense is easy. You don't have any control over the fact that someone mailed you a gram of cocaine. Customs may have seized your letter with cocaine in it, but where's the proof that you asked that it be sent to you? You used TOR, PGP encryption, bitcoin, these things are traceable, but not easily traceable. If you're stupid or can't afford a good lawyer, then I guess you could end up in jail in this situation.
Yeah I agree that the DEA isn't always rational and they do partake in unsavory activities, but they aren't idiots. Their goal is to get drugs off the street, and the fastest way to do that is to cut drug shipments off at the source. Why would they waste manpower and money going after buyers? The vendors are the ones taking the real risk here
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@toysoldier1, Ondine
You don't get it. The USA *does* have draconian drug laws. It's just that the supply of drug is so widespread and the application of the existing laws is mostly targeted on those who can't make a fuss. If you have dollars to spare, it's not going to be a problem. Otherwise, it is. There are differences between states, but fundamentally they are rather extreme. It *is* possible to get life imprisonment for possession. You've a Hollywood version of the American justice system in your heads, it's not like that at all. In many cases, the concept of innocent until proven guilty is perverted. In some states you can get a $6000 fine for merely having a bong and *intending* to smoke weed. i.e. you are guilty of thought-crime.
Your central mistake is to believe that the DEA and local government are rational beings. That is not something you can rely on. Once they get it into their heads that somebody is a problem, they'll make that person's life a misery. If anybody else did this, it would be stalking, and technically it is, but they're getting overtime pay to do it.
Listen carefully to what I say next. This is completely separate from any '1g' legal business.
The DEA, in combination with local police, has killed drug distributors and dealers before now. That's flat out executed, no trial or jury. This is not even a rare occurrence, it is usually misreported in some manner, winding up in the gangland violence category of statistics from the government. This is not something I can prove to you, but I know it is true because I've been around for a while. This is a real war, not a metaphorical one. They have even murdered their own officers when some police try to speak out this against such covert activities. Some of these men are on holy crusades, they are zealots.
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Look, I'm not going to try and convince you either way, do some research into the misdemeanor and felony sentencing laws and you'll quickly find out it's a fucking tightrope. If you have an ounce of weed in one state, it's a $100 fine, in another you're a major drug dealer with automatic incarnation.
Do your research for your State and DOC. All this information is on the clearweb. I'm not making any of this up.
Believe me, I understand US drug laws very well. I was arrested for possession of almost 2 ounces of marijuana last year, although at the time I was living in a state with a rather lax stance regarding weed. I know that certain states in the US have much harsher penalties than others regarding drug possession, but that's not what this is about.
Silkroad and the whole internet drug trade is on an entirely different level from what state LE usually deals with regarding drugs. It's one thing for a cop to pull a reckless driver over, find a gram of cocaine in his car and arrest him in california. The driver had drugs on his person. That's clear evidence. When someone receives a gram of cocaine in the mail, it isn't theirs until they open and take it into their house. Sure, police can arrest you if they find a gram of cocaine in your mail, but your defense is easy. You don't have any control over the fact that someone mailed you a gram of cocaine. Customs may have seized your letter with cocaine in it, but where's the proof that you asked that it be sent to you? You used TOR, PGP encryption, bitcoin, these things are traceable, but not easily traceable. If you're stupid or can't afford a good lawyer, then I guess you could end up in jail in this situation.
Yeah I agree that the DEA isn't always rational and they do partake in unsavory activities, but they aren't idiots. Their goal is to get drugs off the street, and the fastest way to do that is to cut drug shipments off at the source. Why would they waste manpower and money going after buyers? The vendors are the ones taking the real risk here
Im glad I dont live in the states. Maximum penalty for possession of schedule 1 substance here is 7 years. Pine sol, you are probably right. The cops will fuck with you and attempt to violate all your rights and find sneaky ways to get search warrants. Even in the states I doubt they would raid your house for 1 gram and blow you away with a 12 gauge though. I suppose it could happen though.
Fuck Americas drug laws, we need to start a revolution or something. We won the prohibition, why cant we win in the war against drugs? Oh yeah, because most of americans have been brainwashed by their television sets.
Ondine just hit what ive been preaching for this entire thread. I think if there is going to be SR busts, they will bust 1 or two big vendors, if possible gather enough evidence on his customers and bust all of them if they have enough proof. A single bust here and there wouldnt make much sense, unless you are in a small town and the cops are bored or something.
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On a different note;
Any bets Rivers neck is going to break right after they drop him from the gallows or a while after? Or will he just choke to death?
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moonbear?? is that you?
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moonbear?? is that you?
HEY FUCK YOU! IM DONE WITH THIS FORUM OR THREAD. THERE IS ONLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE HERE WITH ANY FORM OF INTELLIGENT POSTS IT SEEMS. THE REST OF YOU CAN GO ABOUT BELIEVING THE DRA IS REALLY A COP NOW, THAT REVERS FRIEND IS IN JAIL, AND THAT YOUR ARE THE DEAS PRIME TARGETS.
IM OUT. FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING COCKROACHES WHO KEEP NEGGING ME.
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moonbear?? is that you?
You like, crossed a line man! :D
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Yeah sorry TS.. that was very mean of me ;D ;D
Dont worry shiznit its not the first time he has stormed out on us. He will be back.
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Yeah sorry TS.. that was very mean of me ;D ;D
Dont worry shiznit its not the first time he has stormed out on us. He will be back.
Its time to call out what everyone has been suspecting......
Novocaine = TS = Moonbear!
They are never logged into the forums at the same time. So fuck you NC, TS or MB fuck off you have been outed!
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LOL.
God knows I needed a good laugh :-)
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another -1 for you hoffa. I reckon I have a few more I can use today. ;) ;D ;D
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I have 72 hours to fuck your shit up bitch! Let the games begin.
Notice he/she/it didn't deny the outing. Moonpig your shenanigans are over! :-*
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Hey man I was only kidding I gave you a neg. It was jimmy "poolboy" lee I swear.
He was high as a kite the other night trying to work out the karma system and was randomly clicking at it.
Peace bro<3 ;)
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You kids crack me up lol. Shame on you NC aka moonslut burying a mate to get yourself out of the shit.
I have got this feelings young shiz is also NC so in turn is TS so ultimately moongoat..... It's all unraveling before our eyes.
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maybe we should all stick a joint in our rectum to understand the true meaning of life :S
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Yes, my friend of a friend of a friend was sloppy, and that's why they were able to gather enough evidence upon executing the search warrant to charge him. Without that, he potentially would not have been charged with anything.....ie. Having narcotics sent to your address with your name on the package is not enough to 'charge' someone with an offence.
So keeping a clean delivery address is very important (might be stating the obvious again?). The message here is my 'friend of a friend of a friend' was sloppy and complacent because worst he expected was a controlled delivery. Not Police entering his house with a search warrant. So he felt he had time to clean things up. Also the package was only a few days 'late' so he didn't even realise it had been intercepted....this all happened very quickly.
You don't have to believe me, it doesn't make a difference to my 'friend of a friend of a friend'....but at least doublecheck you're taking all the right precautions, so if I'm not lieing, and this happens to you, you'll be prepared.
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Yes, my friend of a friend of a friend was sloppy, and that's why they were able to gather enough evidence upon executing the search warrant to charge him. Without that, he potentially would not have been charged with anything.....ie. Having narcotics sent to your address with your name on the package is not enough to 'charge' someone with an offence.
So keeping a clean delivery address is very important (might be stating the obvious again?). The message here is my 'friend of a friend of a friend' was sloppy and complacent because worst he expected was a controlled delivery. Not Police entering his house with a search warrant. So he felt he had time to clean things up. Also the package was only a few days 'late' so he didn't even realise it had been intercepted....this all happened very quickly.
You don't have to believe me, it doesn't make a difference to my 'friend of a friend of a friend'....but at least doublecheck you're taking all the right precautions, so if I'm not lieing, and this happens to you, you'll be prepared.
Hmm... the cops have been buzzing around my house more than usual lately. At first I thought nothing of it, but everytime I go outside to smoke a joint I see a fucking cop car drive by then I cant smoke the joint... Im starting to get paranoid. Maybe you are right river, im going to have to tread more carefully as they might be monitering me or something (unlikely though). Anyway, im not posting in this forum anymore for security reasons and am going to clean house as much as I can.
Shit is getting real. Real paranoid that is lol.
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toysoldier, better be-careful, they are out to get you!!! ::)
Lol
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I dont understand how they were able to obtain a search warrant based on a package of drugs being delivered to him. Anyone could have sent it to him. Unless of coarse they had mroe evidence that he ordered the stuff. He could probobly sue who ever was responsible for issuing that warrant.
I know this comment is a little old, but I felt I should bring it up anyway. It represents a common misunderstanding about the justice system.
Just because a certain bit of evidence is not enough to convict (ie. "anyone could have sent that to my address" or "that's not technically class A, it's an analog"), it doesn't mean that it isn't enough for LE to fuck up your entire year.
In this particular case, I can *absolutely* see an amount of drugs being sent to a home as enough probable cause to get a warrant. It's not "proof" of anything, but you don't need proof to execute a search.
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If the shits going hit the fan, its going hit the fan. Don't live your lives like paranoid freaks like they want you too ffs. Now the risk/rewards, Weigh them up and if you can't deal with the consequences, Dont do it. Simple. Jesus. So many people without common sense and thats the only reason you'll get court.
RIver, your friend must have been really dumb & Sloppy, I'm sorry but he had to have been. I can kill all my shit in 5 seconds and they would have nothing. Zilch!
If this place is going make you all paranoid, Stop doing it haha
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Lots of people are going on and on about the technicalities of "charged" "convicted" and so on. Most of you are speaking from your own local knowledge and forgetting that this is a worldwide network with LOTS of variance from one place to another.
In the USA for instance, many larger metro police departments are working with the prosecutor's office to create programs that skip court and offer a plea that focuses on addiction treatment rather than jail. A judge does sign off on it, but does not necessarily ever have to meet the accused. The judge can just sign it in his/her chambers. From the accused's perspective, they see cops, then a piece of paper telling them that they can go to this place for treatment, and go pick up litter or something for community service. After a year, most of these programs expunge the charges from the accused's record.
A hell of a lot of other places in the same country (and even in some of the same states) do not. They go cop>jail>judge>prison.
My point is that whatever you think is the law in your area, that is not necessarily the law in every other area covered by SR. You may not be aware of the ways the law differs in your own country from place to place. It's a big world out there.
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Class A. Blatantly a UK 'bust'
Believe it or not?
Fact that there are shit load of letters & parcels coming in from Holland, surely they don't sniff everything.....
Unlucky. Yes. If it happened I think very unlucky (unless that property was on the radar already)
Order small. For your weekend. Enjoy. Dispose of package immediately.
No evidence other than the 'suspect ' delivered package from x country
...... Are we committing a crime getting high on Saturday night? I'll risk SR thank you.
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say you order 1/2 oz of pot. it gets detected somehow. Why couldn't LE just wait a day or 2 after you received it and raid your house? Is this illegal? Would they ever do this or always try and make you sign?
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so basically, if the cops decided to bust you on that 1/2 oz, they have to go thru a certain procedure to get that warrant to raid you, and they don't want to risk the possibility of you moving that amount in that timespan(be it a day or 2). that kinda makes sense. There's too much risk for them to let you receive the drug for a couple days, and then wait around (without knowing if the drugs will be there), and for such a small ammount.
That would be a majorly botched job if they discovered the package, delivered it, got the warrant, and then after waiting two days to come bust you, you've already moved the drugs and they find nothing.
I appreciate the reply btw. oh the paranoia haha
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The laws on decrypting drives/data varies greatly by country. I read that the UK have it (there was a case not so long back where a guy chose to not decrypt his drive and take the jail time because he knew the data (child porn) would have gotten him a lot longer), and Australia also. Do some research on which countries have these laws (or, really, your own country as presumably that's all you care about) and what the process is in enforcing it - i.e. can they force you to decrypt your drive with a standard warrant or do they need a special warrant, etc,.
Although I wouldn't recommend keeping anything incriminating, physical or electronic, anyway...delete the vendor PGP keys, use USB sticks, shred packaging, etc etc. (a cursory glance through the Security section will get you reasonably well secured).
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so basically, if the cops decided to bust you on that 1/2 oz, they have to go thru a certain procedure to get that warrant to raid you, and they don't want to risk the possibility of you moving that amount in that timespan(be it a day or 2). that kinda makes sense. There's too much risk for them to let you receive the drug for a couple days, and then wait around (without knowing if the drugs will be there), and for such a small ammount.
That would be a majorly botched job if they discovered the package, delivered it, got the warrant, and then after waiting two days to come bust you, you've already moved the drugs and they find nothing.
I appreciate the reply btw. oh the paranoia haha
You are correct for most cases. Due process protects you a lot, just not always. I really can't stress this enough though: search warrants in most countries are signed by judges, who are people, and who occasionally make errors. And not all countries (though if your national language is English, this probably does not apply to you) require warrants. Plus there are lots of times they don't require a warrant even in British Common Law countries (border crossings, entry to airports and secure facilities, etc). And lastly, in the USA at least, telephonic search warrants are legal (unless banned by local jurisdiction). That means a cop can pull you over, keep you from entering your car (or apartment, or whatever) and call a judge. Then the cop can tell the judge all the various "probable cause" pieces of evidence that the cop has, and the judge can VERBALLY issue a warrant on the spot. No paper, no filing, no trial. A phone call with some follow-up paperwork the next day.
If the warrant is issued in error, you will probably win the court case, but you will forever be on their radar. And you will lose your stash.
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Going back to the OP, is the suggestion here that customs just made a lucky strike or that the seller was somehow being monitored? I think that it's wise to make a conscious decision to believe River, regardless of anything else, because if this is true - ie that a search warrant can be obtained on the strength of a very small amount intercepted and no other evidence - the level of risk no longer makes using SR an option for me personally. Troll or not, I'm spooked.
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so basically, if the cops decided to bust you on that 1/2 oz, they have to go thru a certain procedure to get that warrant to raid you, and they don't want to risk the possibility of you moving that amount in that timespan(be it a day or 2). that kinda makes sense. There's too much risk for them to let you receive the drug for a couple days, and then wait around (without knowing if the drugs will be there), and for such a small ammount.
That would be a majorly botched job if they discovered the package, delivered it, got the warrant, and then after waiting two days to come bust you, you've already moved the drugs and they find nothing.
I appreciate the reply btw. oh the paranoia haha
You are correct for most cases. Due process protects you a lot, just not always. I really can't stress this enough though: search warrants in most countries are signed by judges, who are people, and who occasionally make errors. And not all countries (though if your national language is English, this probably does not apply to you) require warrants. Plus there are lots of times they don't require a warrant even in British Common Law countries (border crossings, entry to airports and secure facilities, etc). And lastly, in the USA at least, telephonic search warrants are legal (unless banned by local jurisdiction). That means a cop can pull you over, keep you from entering your car (or apartment, or whatever) and call a judge. Then the cop can tell the judge all the various "probable cause" pieces of evidence that the cop has, and the judge can VERBALLY issue a warrant on the spot. No paper, no filing, no trial. A phone call with some follow-up paperwork the next day.
If the warrant is issued in error, you will probably win the court case, but you will forever be on their radar. And you will lose your stash.
ooooooo.... i know what this guy does for a living! I'm surprised more do not speak up.
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The vendor Sky who was the OP in this thread should be avoided. Most shipments from NL are scrutinzed. Where did HOLLAND the vendor go? Used to be a thread a day about his deliveries from NL not making it through. It must have been so bad that he has left SR.
The fact that SKY is stating that it is alright to order from NL should be a huge flag.
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I love the us...the land of the free... :-* lol, your country is taken over...end the most don,t even know it.
U have no rights... ::)
AA
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The vendor Sky who was the OP in this thread should be avoided. Most shipments from NL are scrutinzed. Where did HOLLAND the vendor go? Used to be a thread a day about his deliveries from NL not making it through. It must have been so bad that he has left SR.
The fact that SKY is stating that it is alright to order from NL should be a huge flag.
Not sure where this is coming from but sky has some of the best packaging on SR and I seriously doubt one of there packages got snagged by customs.
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The vendor Sky who was the OP in this thread should be avoided. Most shipments from NL are scrutinzed. Where did HOLLAND the vendor go? Used to be a thread a day about his deliveries from NL not making it through. It must have been so bad that he has left SR.
The fact that SKY is stating that it is alright to order from NL should be a huge flag.
It says it was sent from Dr A, you fucking ass hat.
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The vendor Sky who was the OP in this thread
The vendor Sky was not the OP in this thread.
should be avoided
Refers to following your advice. Sky does have one of the best packaging on SR. It is safer to order from him even if he ships from NL.
I have had a delivery from him opened by customs and they missed it, so he is actually a good choice if you are ordering from NL.
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The vendor Sky who was the OP in this thread
The vendor Sky was not the OP in this thread.
should be avoided
Refers to following your advice. Sky does have one of the best packaging on SR. It is safer to order from him even if he ships from NL.
I have had a delivery from him opened by customs and they missed it, so he is actually a good choice if you are ordering from NL.
Agree, his packaging is the best. But other nl vendors also have good packaging... my sky orders never got inspected but others from nl have and made it in fine. Now they weren't as good as sky but still enough to easily avoid detection.
Clearly this guy doesn't know wtf he's talking about!
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The vendor Sky who was the OP in this thread should be avoided. Most shipments from NL are scrutinzed. Where did HOLLAND the vendor go? Used to be a thread a day about his deliveries from NL not making it through. It must have been so bad that he has left SR.
The fact that SKY is stating that it is alright to order from NL should be a huge flag.
Not sure where this is coming from but sky has some of the best packaging on SR and I seriously doubt one of there packages got snagged by customs.
Do you seriously think if the package is pulled aside for a random screening the packaging will protect/disguise/hide the contents?
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Agree, his packaging is the best. But other nl vendors also have good packaging... my sky orders never got inspected but others from nl have and made it in fine. Now they weren't as good as sky but still enough to easily avoid detection.
Clearly this guy doesn't know wtf he's talking about!
Oh, the packaging must be awesome. That must be the reason you have 100% success. ::)
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I smell a nark involved here. Time to keep your business to yourself.
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Do you seriously think if the package is pulled aside for a random screening the packaging will protect/disguise/hide the contents?
I have had a delivery from him opened by customs and they missed it, so he is actually a good choice if you are ordering from NL.
How do you know they missed it?
I have it on good authority that evidence has been collected from multiple packages over a period of time in at least one case I know of. They had 100% success until the last one. Not SR related.
But then again maybe they did miss it. Maybe they got a positive from a dog and missed it on inspection and were to lazy to follow through on another test. Lucky I guess.
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Do you seriously think if the package is pulled aside for a random screening the packaging will protect/disguise/hide the contents?
I have had a delivery from him opened by customs and they missed it, so he is actually a good choice if you are ordering from NL.
How do you know they missed it?
I have it on good authority that evidence has been collected from multiple packages over a period of time in at least one case I know of. They had 100% success until the last one. Not SR related.
But then again maybe they did miss it. Maybe they got a positive from a dog and missed it on inspection and were to lazy to follow through on another test. Lucky I guess.
I know they missed it cause the delivery had orange tape around it with a leaflet from AQUIS inside saying something to the effect that it had been opened by australia post as they suspected it contained drugs and this occasion they found nothing and let it go through.
I couldn't believe they missed it but they did. Any other vendor (i have dealt with so far anyway) and it would have been found.
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It was their so they didn't find it... the guys packaging is top notch.
I would think if they found it they would, flag your address, document it and then destroy it or pass it onto the feds, not just send it on.
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negative. they have been known to send it on.
Also aqis dont deal with drug matters. Your letter would/should have been from customs/afp.
If you found it they found it. Im sorry to break it to you.
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negative. they have been known to send it on.
Also aqis dont deal with drug matters. Your letter would/should have been from customs/afp.
If you found it they found it. Im sorry to break it to you.
It was 100% from AQIS, and was a small pamphlet inside the taped up envelope it was sent it. It specifically mention drugs and if they found it and sent it on that was really nice of them cause it was some good shit.
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evidence is all snorted...I mean sorted. Everyone just fucking relax aye. Nothing to see here;)
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Do you seriously think if the package is pulled aside for a random screening the packaging will protect/disguise/hide the contents?
I have had a delivery from him opened by customs and they missed it, so he is actually a good choice if you are ordering from NL.
How do you know they missed it?
I have it on good authority that evidence has been collected from multiple packages over a period of time in at least one case I know of. They had 100% success until the last one. Not SR related.
But then again maybe they did miss it. Maybe they got a positive from a dog and missed it on inspection and were to lazy to follow through on another test. Lucky I guess.
I know they missed it cause the delivery had orange tape around it with a leaflet from AQUIS inside saying something to the effect that it had been opened by australia post as they suspected it contained drugs and this occasion they found nothing and let it go through.
I couldn't believe they missed it but they did. Any other vendor (i have dealt with so far anyway) and it would have been found.
I agree. I've had the exact same thing with 24 pills. Letter inside saying it was inspected and nothing was removed. There's no way the found it, if they would have found it they wouldn't of been able to repair the way it was packed. It should be noted that the package I had inspected wasn't even Sky's, just another good NL shipper. Sky's package is even better than the one I had looked at....
It's getting pretty paranoid if people are thinking that they're pulling stuff, finding it, putting it back in a stealth way, then send it on WITH a notification and trying to build some sort of case around you. Places like NL are going to get more scrutiny because of the location. I don't think it takes a "hit" from a dog to have a piece of mail inspected. And the reality is, people inspecting it probably aren't the highest paid over achievers in the workforce, they're going to open it, see a bunch of normal papers and close it up.
I've said this in the aus shipping post too... but if you're importing stuff that's just vac sealed and taped to a piece of paper YOU NEED TO BUY ELSEWHERE, especially from places like NL or other parts of Europe. Canada / US you're probably OK most of the time.
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paranoid you say??
it happens what else is there.
It doesnt take much digging to find out for yourself either.
you sound supremely confident.. maybe this is the first time you have ordered from OS and you have got 100% on 8 packages .. awesome
Maybe you have been getting drugs and all things illegal from OS for years and you and your buddies have never been busted... awesome once again
Maybe you are NL vendor
Maybe they dont just use dogs to screen your shit.
Maybe the people opening your shit are highly trained and experienced.
Maybe you think that I am a paranoid idiot.
Tell us everything about that letter you got. with those 24 pills they didnt find.
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I am pretty sure if the find a small amount they won't just send it on and not worry about it, it would be confiscated for sure. If it was a larger amount they might replace it with something else, do a controlled delivery and arrest you when you pick it up.
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I was completley unaware of this thread, have recieved orders from the vendor in question and will be recieving in future....am i worried? Fuck no? I call Bullshit. It would be an epic waste of police time and resources and with the amounts in question it would more than likely just be a customs seizure and a strongly worded letter?
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This thread has more than run its course. Lots of opinions, very few facts, and what has changed?
The worst case scenario is that someone did get busted for 1gm, and will likely receive a fine and
hopefully get a spent or suspended sentence if it can be proven in court.
Did anyone seriously think that no one was ever going to get caught - ever?
The bottom line is that across the southern hemisphere this is the only post of this nature that seems even remotely likely of being true
out of how many thousands of orders?
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Could someone kindly tell me where the OP lives now that the fuss is over, I pm'd him but received no reply. At least confirm whether it was UK or not, thanks.
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the OP messaged me, and the country was not the UK.
We can confirm this too. It was NOT the UK.
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Can you confirm it was not Australia?
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Thanks for the confirmation
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I'd appreciate, if someone could tell me what country it was...
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I'd appreciate, if someone could tell me what country it was...
People just like to play games here, especially with shit like this, don't even worry about what country it is cuz there is no reason to believe this even happened for sure. Quite retarded that the OP will PM the country but not write it... That fact alone makes it hard to believe it's true.
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Just proves demonstration of power does occur. I've been called in by the police for 3-4 packages they had kept after customs seized. I got no love letter, I got a telephone call asking me to come into questioning regarding some sendings to my addy.
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So, ere we go again.. which country?
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north korea
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Yeah right....you would be lucky to get ibuprofen from there! yoink
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This user's post history might give a clue to the OP's country: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=11044
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www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/07/07/151921_news.html
The info I got is second or third hand but a couple of facts about this bust.
The seeds were sent on after being intercepted.
The gear was purchased from multiple online stores.
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@ultroping2435
Someone here already said it was not AUS...