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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: KnoxHarrington on March 08, 2012, 07:36 pm
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You guys are awesome and knowledgeable!!
So how safe are text messages? Phone calls? My phone's internet connection?
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a;w4ys thinn kthat Yor phone 1s tapped OLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~ phnoe callz anD t3xt messages cna be read w//0 4w arra|\|t under thde patriot act!!!!!!!~~~~
wrosE strill si your phone"S internet cOnnect1om!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11~~~ lololololol~~ The phone companyt recdrods sites u Visit fro narketing a|\|d data MI|\|ing, and th4t'z ujst the start!!!!!!!!111 th3re s spying warez install3d on a7l phones calleed carreiri qThat recrods text mesasges, keystrokez, etc.. also, law enforcementa re oruti|\|ely are pulling text messagez uot of ph0NEz during traffic stops without z wArraNt d O not use ur phone fro anything s3nsitive...
anyone deeply technolog1cally knowledgeable c0nsidErs cellu7ar phonez (pratiicuLaryl smartphonse) t0 be spyIng deiceS
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The irony of your user name is not lost, Zuck!
How secure are hotspots then? My sister has a phone that she uses as a hotspot to give her laptop internet access so she can muck around with The Road. Is that safe? Or any unsafer than a regular xion?
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The irony of your user name is not lost, Zuck!
How secure are hotspots then? My sister has a phone that she uses as a hotspot to give her laptop internet access so she can muck around with The Road. Is that safe? Or any unsafer than a regular xion?
This is a good question that I too am wondering the answer to. I have an iPhone that is jailbroken in order to use it as a free hot spot. I haven't used it to access The Road yet because I wasn't sure of it's security, I would ASSume that using it as a hot spot would be the same as just using the phone itself to access Tor, right?
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I agree - Good question!
Where's our elite security force? KMF is usually on questions like this before they're even posted :-D
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How secure are hotspots then? My sister has a phone that she uses as a hotspot to give her laptop internet access so she can muck around with The Road. Is that safe? Or any unsafer than a regular xion?
using a hotspot 1s edfinmitel less aafe than a Regulra xion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111~~~~~
HOWEVER, USINGG A HOTSPoT SI NOT QIUTE A SBAD AZ USNIG YOPR SMARTPHONE IDRECTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~ the carreIr1q spying war3z is srtil7 l1ekly prEasent even if u use ur ohone 4s ah Otspot tthey catn see that you ar g0inG to silk road, but they can see ypou r goiNg to tro. OI WOU7D RTECOMM3ND AGGAINST USONG YOR HOTSPOT OR UR PHON3 TO AcCESS SILK ROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~ it's probably not a big deal iF o"ve already done it once ro twice, but u doN't wanm to make it aahbit ro ppattern tihkno f It like tihs:
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yor computar -> h0tspot (phone r0 device) -> Tmobile/cell carreiR -> inrarnet -> torentry node -> tOr 1ntartn4l N0de -> tro exit node->> r p-> more tr0 nodes -> silk roa d
ur cellular carreir (t-mobile, \\\\////\\\\////Hatev3r)) will not be ab7e to see u r going to silk raod the wont kNow exactly wharer ypou ra going~~~~~~~ you r lanmde caus3 yOu are suck how3ver they *wil;l* kn0w you are 7ogging uNto tro, and tehy will log whatevar ip entry n0des on to ryou ar loggiong into indefiinteyl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1~~~~~~~ s0 tehrien ldeis youir porblem
recently, t-mobile got acugth bbloX0rin gaccezs to tor and certaiN websirt3s via ytEhir h0tsspoTz.. SO WE KNOWT EHYU ARE FILTEERI|\|G ANDS LOGGUNG TH1S INFROM4TION. u porbabLy want to aVoid this isse entirerly and not giv3 the bastardz ur money or biusines, cartain7y not records that yPou use tor!!!!!!111~ HACKYOUUUUUUU BECAUS3 U SUYX0R// I will AhCK
ify ou Evasr fet in tourb3, if you use a hotspot to 4ccesz tero, noww tehrea re recrods tyoign yor namee / credit card nu,beR, etc d1rectly to tor (gen4arlLy a netwrok wtih a shady reputtaiion, since It"s a darknet)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 this d0esn"t prove anything, But the less eVidence tehre dxists linking u tO anYthing , the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 ypou might get questiopnz 7ick \\\\////\\\\////hy do y
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u are muc hbetter off go1ngf tot or form a cOffe3 shop"s public inTer|\|et or ofF yor ho/\/\e intarnet co|\|nect1ion... c0Me 2 my ftp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11~~~~ at kle4s tat youre ouse, ypou jhave some den1ability (someone ahX0red my roiutar p4sswrod, my oruter sI unnsecurted, Tehre r multiple d00dz at The hous1|\|g copm7eX0r / apartment, etc) aLso generally homE ispz keep lesz recrrods tahn cell pjo|\|e companeiz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11~~
if you don'rt cr abiout yor ph0ne compAny knmow1ng you use tor, gp ah3ad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 llolololl juSt keedp i|\| miinD 3hy not only know whidch tro netry node u are us1ng, tehy know what time you r using it, whare u ar3 when yp0u us3 it, and how much traFfficy p0u ar send1|\|g
I have an iPhone that is jailbroken in order to use it as a free hot spot. I haven't used it to access The Road yet because I wasn't sure of it's security, I would ASSume that using it as a hot spot would be the same as just using the phone itself to access Tor, right?
yeah, that'z close To accurate .. BUT REN3MBER IF YOU GO THROUGH TEH PHONE AS YOUR 'HOTSPOT" U R MOSDT CARTYAINLY GOING THOFUGH TE HCARREIRIQ SPYING WAREZ, WHICJH SI iNSTALLED ON [EDIT :MOST] A7LM OD3RN PHONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!111~~~~ OLOLOOLOLOLOLO~~~ twhy coropratioNz and speis 1nvovled treid to do damage Contorl, but teh truht si out.. yourE phone / and cel7 c0mp4ny iwll keeP traX0r of al lsdrots of sjhit, inclkufinng any ips th4t you connect to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~ w hhile using teh ph0ne 4s a hotsp0tr s1 not az bda as using tehji pHone itself (meve ear directly ue ur phone fro anYthing sensittive), Even connecting tjrough iphone to y0ur cellu7art c4rwirs netwtrok pr3asents a sEdcurity risk...
thesE days teh cell carreris ar 7oggIng mroe an dmroe info, and they 4r edfiNteily logg1ng whatt piss ypou go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~ !!!!!!!~ LOLOLOLOLOL... th eporb73m hare si u are givung Giant c0rp0ration srewcords of when and where u go 0n teh intar|\|3 t(remembar y0rphoNe 4lways gives awaY location infromation) , as wlel as the fact that u r conn3ctnga nd snding trsaFfic pve tor ahck the plann3t!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~ while thus s not insecUre in and of 1tsElf , U r leak1ng" infromat1on u should jnt be leaikng !!!!!!!!!!!1~~~ this makes timing attaX0r easerir oololloloo~~
ur Besdt bet for highest secur1ty accessing tro is To use poen wirelesz inetrnets at coffee shios, next ofllowed by staTionary inrternet At home, folLowed by cellular hjotspOts teid to your3 accou|\|t, tehn with access via yoUR pho|\|e itselff bi3ng in dead las tplace in terms of security , Since phopnez rspying deivces ade ca|\||\|ot be trusted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11~~~~~
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Indeed, using your phone as an AP is equivalent to surfing directly on the device, unless you have your phone bugged with CarrierIQ or malware. It definitely does not increase your security compared to a landline, unless it is anonymous prepaid, and even then you would have to connect from different locations and replace the phone from time to time.
Also, not all phones have CarrierIQ on them.
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CarrierIQ is installed on a vast majority of phones . but you are right, its not *all* of them. Just many many millions of them. And even the ones that its not installed upon, you can bet your ass the companies involved have installed equivalent backdoor software, such as it's main competitor , TerrierHaiku.
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if you are concerned about anonymity, use a tracfone, or other similar disposable, pre-paid phone. many of which have internet these days. some of which even have potentially anonymous wi-fi hotspots you could use to..anonymously do ur dirty work.. ;)
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I am not a fan of phones and consider them likely to be insecure in many cases. That said, Androids are pretty cool, and support encrypted voice, encrypted text messages, full encryption of contact lists etc, encrypted instant messages via OTR and they can have their internet traffic routed through Tor. I wouldn't even consider using anything other than an Android but I would avoid phones in general.
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in addition to what kewm said I would go with an android device that was created with an open source process, like the android ports for the htc touch pro 2/hd2 and run iptables (droidwall) with nazi restrictions.
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Any security agency can find out what you are talking about over texting/over the phone, thanks to the Patriot Act. However if you are small fish you will not likely be tapped, have an investigation team up your ass. Text messages are safe to the extent to the person you are sending them to is also a liability. What if they get nailed and LE looks at everything in their phone and they don't clear your conversations? Texting is just another means of spreading the liability.
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The same can be said for GPG and OTR.
I should have probably specified android device in my previous post instead of just saying android :P.
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Protips:
1. Pay greenbacks for your phone.
2. Use prepaid credit.
3. Take out the battery before and after making a call.
4. Throw it away after a couple of uses, ideally take it apart and drop into a water filled sink or river/sea etc
5. Repeat 1 - 4, but not at the same shop.
This is literally the only way to ensure anonymity on phones. The FBI can and do track suspect phones, even when they are supposedly turned off. Your phone can also be used as the equivalent of a long distance microphone by the FBI. This is not some conspiracy theory, take this advice seriously. There are so many caveats to using phones that you are forced to go to this level if you want anonymity.
Fortunately, you can get all of the above for about $10-20 a pop if you look around. So, disposables are the future.
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Im so careful with the way I use my phone.... You just never ever know these days :(
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could anyone reccommend a solid app for androids to encrypt text messages?
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apg http://thialfihar.org/projects/apg/
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thanks mate! appreciate that!
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use "burner" cellphones like pine said. Pay 20 bucks for a prepaid phone (with cash money of course...), activate it, use it once or twice, destroy the sim card, throw the battery in a bin and the phone in a river.
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Yes we do! There not safe! "They see all". Disposable beats uncertain any day