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Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: pine on March 05, 2012, 03:59 am

Title: Project: Pine in Camo! : Possible feature to dramatically improve Security on SR
Post by: pine on March 05, 2012, 03:59 am
> In Italy heroin smugglers managed to put the authorities off their scent by setting up bogus websites which were difficult but not impossible to penetrate. While the authorities wasted time collecting information from the bogus sites, the smugglers continued their trade using genuine sites.

This may sound a bit whacky, but I think it's a powerful idea.

You could use the above 'camouflage' idea to send millions of dud transactions (using new TOR identities etc) to the Silk Road with many 'virtual' dud buyers and dud sellers on TOR acting in concert with realistically buyer/seller like fashions worked out from existing patterns e.g. time zone, occurrence, level of interest in particular drugs etc, these dummy accounts would do things like be sending each other fake encrypted emails at the average rate etc, such that attempting to sort through the genuine ones with some manner of man in the middle attack becomes highly dubious in court.

And since we now have a 'stealth mode', none of the real buyers/sellers have to see this "virtual version" of SR, and everybody in stealth mode gets a far higher degree of anonymity.

This would make sizing the Silk Road an opportunity to close down operations only, and make any possible sized data evidence of highly suspect relevance to a court hearing. If it were done properly, there would be no way to bring the data to trial.

Title: Re: Project: Pine in Camo! : Possible feature to dramatically improve Security on SR
Post by: pine on March 05, 2012, 07:10 am
It's clickflashwhirr http://secure.flickr.com/photos/clickflashwhirr/5483790718/lightbox/
Title: Re: Project: Pine in Camo! : Possible feature to dramatically improve Security on SR
Post by: radi8power on March 06, 2012, 12:17 am
This is a beautiful idea!
I hope we can see this implemented.
Title: Re: Project: Pine in Camo! : Possible feature to dramatically improve Security on SR
Post by: Nikodym on March 06, 2012, 03:48 am
It gets my vote!!
Title: Re: Project: Pine in Camo! : Possible feature to dramatically improve Security on SR
Post by: novocaine on March 06, 2012, 06:13 am
Nice work pine. I love your thinking

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^^ which emoticon am I feeling right now??
You dont know because I threw some leading emotions in there to throw you off!!
Title: Re: Project: Pine in Camo! : Possible feature to dramatically improve Security on SR
Post by: Ungoliant on March 06, 2012, 06:15 am
It's actually a fantastic idea but in order for it to be able to be implemented the site needs to be able to handle the physical volume of data transmission with dummy transactions. It would dramatically increase server load if it was incorporated into the site itself. DPR needs to be physically set up for such a thing, as the site has not always been extremely stable in the past.
Title: Re: Project: Pine in Camo! : Possible feature to dramatically improve Security on SR
Post by: pine on March 06, 2012, 06:51 am
It's actually a fantastic idea but in order for it to be able to be implemented the site needs to be able to handle the physical volume of data transmission with dummy transactions. It would dramatically increase server load if it was incorporated into the site itself. DPR needs to be physically set up for such a thing, as the site has not always been extremely stable in the past.

Yes, it will take a significant amount of legwork and frustration. But in the end, it would be worth the effort. It would make LEO's attempts to infiltrate or take down the site a Pyrrhic victory.

As well as being more secure, the effort to expand server load could produce a more robust system, since you only need to slightly tweak the work of the virtual version of SR until you find time to add more hardware.

Something that hasn't been mentioned, is that you need thousands of stock photographs of drugs from many amateur sources and some method to construct realistic sounding profiles (I have a reliable idea for that, but I'm not going to post it here). On the other hand, that you can manipulate TOR identities should make it an easier task, since you won't literally need thousand of bots sending you traffic, just a few in different locations.

But yes, it's a lot of work. The requirements building stage would need to be very carefully thought out.

Imagine! LE busts the Silk Road. And then fucking nothing! There won't be anything of statistical significance to distinguish a real transaction from a fake one. I think I'm permitted a trollololololololol here :)

> DEA: They did illegal stuffs.
> Judge: Can you prove it?
> DEA: Well... Not from the hidden service itself, but we know vendor X, Y and Z sent x y z to buyer 1 2 3.
> Judge: Case by case basis then?
> DEA: ...

It snatches 'The Big Bust' away. There will never will a 'Big Bust'. Only closing down the Road or a series of little busts at the most.

I do believe that makes for a one sad sad panda.