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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: GreenGiant on February 12, 2012, 04:55 am
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12/02/2012 04:34:08 AM UTC - in 5hrs it will have been 72hrs since my transfer going missing, with only a reply from SR to apologies and say it will be sorted soon, this is not good enough, SR has left me stranded owing suppliers money & making me look bad to them. This is not the first time this has happened and doubt it will be the last. I have had many issues with SR in the last 2 months & this has to be the last straw,i am done with this!!
In 1-2 weeks time i am leaving SR for good, as i cannot work with my funds being held from me for 72hrs reducing in value & not knowing if i will ever even get them. it is evident from SR support's reply that they themselves can do nothing and they are waiting for DPR to come online and "sort" the situation which they claim will be tonight. the whole thing is an unprofessional joke & now many members on the forums are talking about receiving 10x the amount of BTC that they actually withdrew, WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
Whats the point in letting SR earn a commission on my sales when i don't actually get to see the BTC myself!!! DPR sort your shit out, this place has gone down hill so much, i use to like working from here now it is a chore & i hardly update my menu or list even a 1/3 of the items of have to hand.
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I've been here a week and it's been hell. Lost over a grand. Some people are getting double or triple the coins while other are losing like me. Also the reply that I would be funded never happened. I think joining might have been a mistake and the worst timing.
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This is a damn shame to see you going, i have tried some of your budder from a friend of mine who ordered and it was ammaaaazing. I was going to try and order some this coming week, one assumes your not taking orders now though.
Would you still be doing a MOM service? i know this is a trust issue but i'd be willing for that amazing product.
i hope you can resolve everything, would be a shame to loose possibly the best UK seller we have.
kind regards
firewoot
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I have operated an underground MoM service in the UK for longer than SR has been on the go, and i will continue to do so for probably longer than SR will be on the go for!!!
As mentioned in my profile, customers will please need to contact me with their email & key.
chances are DPR will ban me from SR for trying to take customers with me or something similar , but i am beyond caring and i am not putting up with the BS on here any longer.
someone suggested the vendors strike, i fucking quit!!!
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Look obviously you're angry, so maybe it would be sensible to get away from here for 24 hours.
Then write a list of fors/againsts and make up your mind. I really think patience will pay you an excellent dividend though.
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fors = I have a loyal customer base
= I don't have to sell locally
against = scammers & haters
= i hate changing BTC into the currency i really need, very few exchangers do it at good prices
= have to wait days to get funds back in
= sometimes have to wait 17+ days to get funds back in
= massive fee's involved
= Having to charge extra just so i can cash my BTC out smoothly into the currency i want
= having SR take 4% away from my final sale price
= having SR make 8.5% commission from most of my sales
= working on a underground black market which is also selling gun's and heroin
= working in the public domain
= risking a controlled operation from feds
= risk having feds order on a regular basis
= risk having buyers dispute transactions and claim 50-100% refund.
= Not getting BTC delivered to my wallet, instead having SR replace them.
will update this post later
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yeah cuz feds never do stuff irl
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there is more chance of a FED ordering from me on SR that there is one coming round to my house to try and buy cannabis, especially since i don't sell locally, even to friends!!
I am a strictly online vendor who worked from the privacy of email, now i am in the public domain, putting myself at more risk. That is all i meant
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ok you have a vaild point there. However who cares if feds order from you you should always assume all of your customers are feds anyway. That is what makes anonymity so awesome, the feds can send me money all day for all I care they still can't trace me lol.
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most of your points are valid actually, but you are risking operation from the feds if you sell here or even on a private forum.
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Greengiant has had his seller account suspended, his forum account banned and he can no longer access his SR market place account. goodbye SR & sorry to all my loyal customers!!!
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12/02/2012 04:34:08 AM UTC - in 5hrs it will have been 72hrs since my transfer going missing, with only a reply from SR to apologies and say it will be sorted soon, this is not good enough, SR has left me stranded owing suppliers money & making me look bad to them. This is not the first time this has happened and doubt it will be the last. I have had many issues with SR in the last 2 months & this has to be the last straw,i am done with this!!
In 1-2 weeks time i am leaving SR for good, as i cannot work with my funds being held from me for 72hrs reducing in value & not knowing if i will ever even get them. it is evident from SR support's reply that they themselves can do nothing and they are waiting for DPR to come online and "sort" the situation which they claim will be tonight. the whole thing is an unprofessional joke & now many members on the forums are talking about receiving 10x the amount of BTC that they actually withdrew, WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
Whats the point in letting SR earn a commission on my sales when i don't actually get to see the BTC myself!!! DPR sort your shit out, this place has gone down hill so much, i use to like working from here now it is a chore & i hardly update my menu or list even a 1/3 of the items of have to hand.
I agree that the glitches are bullshit, If I was a vendor I would quit too.
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If they really banned him thats really fucked up. We need more administrator presence on the forums and market. I rarely ever see the admins/mods around here on the forums, are they active just not chatting much?
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I don't blame you, GreenGiant. If you really got banned, that's fucked up. Merely for voicing (rather, typing) your opinions, which I assure you are the concerns of other vendors as well. Banning someone for speaking his/her mind is tyranny. Isn't this why the Silk Road was created? In honor of Libertarianism and Agorism? To circumvent the restraints of totalitarianism and an infringement on personal liberties? This reminds me of the "arrests and paranoia" thread that was deleted. I'm losing hope in SR. :(
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what the fuck? if this is all true and there's not something we don't know about this is so lame.
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If they banned him, that's simply ridiculous. He was speaking the TRUTH about what vendors have to deal with on this site.
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I recently ordered with greengiant, does this mean my order will not come? thanks
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I was not banned for speaking my mind(i hope), i was banned because in a moment of anger and frustration i posted on my profile page that i could not use the SR ordering system due too lost transfers and being unable to work under conditions where i had to wait 3 dyas for a response to messages asking for my BTC, i told customers i was leaving SR & to contact me on my email addy with their email addy, so sadly to say i was banned for braking the rules.
I do regret what i have done but not for myself, for my customers. I know i have several customers who finalized early on transactions & we are still waiting to see if products arrive, so sadly i will be unable to help these people, or even acknowledge their Pm's, for this i am sorry. I am also deeply sorry for the 3-4 orders that had been placed over the weekend, sadly these won't be going out.
My biggest regret really is letting customers down, if your order was marked as sent then it has been sent, if it was not marked as sent yet then it has not been sent and i no longer have access to my account. To all my customers i really do apologies, i enjoyed serving all of you, i live for good feedback :)
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Can't blame you, had no idea it was this messed up. Good luck in the future man, you seem like a nice guy :)
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aggreed, seem like a genuine dude, sounds like your sitting on a shit load of hash and bud, treat yourself to a smoke haha! you deserve it, all the best in the future
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Isn't it odd that you couldn't get a reply for days on end, yet once you posted a way for your loyal customers to keep in contact, your account was suspended??? Why such quick actions....and without even a 'verbal' warning 1st??
I've also heard some vendors were given 3X the amount they withdrew, whilst others had 0 show up. I assume DPR hopes dearly they are all honest, and send back the extra??
What rules did you really break? Almost every vendor says to use a certain method to get a hold of them if SR goes down, or some other reasons. Why else do vendors have tormail, and such? What would be the point if you were forced to only use SR as a communication tool?
I don't live in UK, but this thread is certainly disconcerting.
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It's sad to see shit like this going on here lately..
Good luck in your future GG, you seem to be one of the few good people out there.
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fors = I have a loyal customer base
= I don't have to sell locally
against = scammers & haters
= i hate changing BTC into the currency i really need, very few exchangers do it at good prices
= have to wait days to get funds back in
= sometimes have to wait 17+ days to get funds back in
= massive fee's involved
= Having to charge extra just so i can cash my BTC out smoothly into the currency i want
= having SR take 4% away from my final sale price
= having SR make 8.5% commission from most of my sales
= working on a underground black market which is also selling gun's and heroin
= working in the public domain
= risking a controlled operation from feds
= risk having feds order on a regular basis
= risk having buyers dispute transactions and claim 50-100% refund.
= Not getting BTC delivered to my wallet, instead having SR replace them.
will update this post later
Damn, paranoid much?
There is a huge danger, but the potential to profit is big if done right.
Looks like you have all your bases covered, so I don't see what the big deal is here.
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Isn't it odd that you couldn't get a reply for days on end, yet once you posted a way for your loyal customers to keep in contact, your account was suspended??? Why such quick actions....and without even a 'verbal' warning 1st??
I've also heard some vendors were given 3X the amount they withdrew, whilst others had 0 show up. I assume DPR hopes dearly they are all honest, and send back the extra??
What rules did you really break? Almost every vendor says to use a certain method to get a hold of them if SR goes down, or some other reasons. Why else do vendors have tormail, and such? What would be the point if you were forced to only use SR as a communication tool?
I don't live in UK, but this thread is certainly disconcerting.
same same
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Isn't it odd that you couldn't get a reply for days on end, yet once you posted a way for your loyal customers to keep in contact, your account was suspended??? Why such quick actions....and without even a 'verbal' warning 1st??
I've also heard some vendors were given 3X the amount they withdrew, whilst others had 0 show up. I assume DPR hopes dearly they are all honest, and send back the extra??
What rules did you really break? Almost every vendor says to use a certain method to get a hold of them if SR goes down, or some other reasons. Why else do vendors have tormail, and such? What would be the point if you were forced to only use SR as a communication tool?
I don't live in UK, but this thread is certainly disconcerting.
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this thread is making me sad :C
same same
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Wow. Speechless... What is going on SR/DPR?
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All this stuff about missing Bitcoins on the forum has me worried, I was planning to get a vendor account soon, I hope I didn't come too late to the party
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[author=GreenGiant link=topic=11897.msg111846#msg111846 date=1329049433]
What happened to the waiting 24 hours bit? 0_o
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All this stuff about missing Bitcoins on the forum has me worried, I was planning to get a vendor account soon, I hope I didn't come too late to the party
That's exactly what I was thinking man.
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I would like to apologize to my customer, other SR users & SR staff and admins. I went a little mad yesterday, a lot of stuff built up and i got frustrated and emotional and took it out on the wrong people. I will update this later, in a bit of a rush to get back to work.
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I would like to apologize to my customer, other SR users & SR staff and admins. I went a little mad yesterday, a lot of stuff built up and i got frustrated and emotional and took it out on the wrong people. I will update this later, in a bit of a rush to get back to work.
It's ok, everyone occasionally goes mad, part of the human condition ;)
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Good stuff.
You see slackjawed, we might not be too late for the party after all... ;)
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I think everyone is getting a bit emotional. Do you not think it is in SR's interest as well? They can't just be losing sellers or bitcoins. Wouldn't you want them to fix the problem before sending you coins that might go missing again? We all like guaranteed time tables bu the truth of the matter is it could take time to sort out.
My advice is never owe anyone. Don't sell things you haven't bought, or vend 'day to day' with finances. This way time won't get you in beef with anyone and you can afford to put your orders on hold until things get sorted out.
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iv delt with green giant loads of times. he is/was the best uk seller by a distance. his weed was always good and he was/is very responsive to pms.
personally i think some of the bud sold by other uk sellers is poor in comparison. and some of the claims of medical grade are a joke.
sr is a poorer place without vendors like green giant.
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I haven't seen too many reports of missing coins on SR, and we need to remember how many sellers there are on SR, and how many transactions take place here every day. Glitches will happen. It's probably a pretty tough job to maintain all the smokescreen subterfuges that DPR &co. have to continually oil and adjust to make this place possible.
I'm not excusing anything that happened to GG, but before we all freak out, maybe we should all just take it easy. Then again, I'm not the one who's out a bunch of coin, so I might not have any place to talk.
Either way, communication is key. Since we're all anonymous, communication is the only way anyone who's missing money is ever going to see it again. I know I'm stating the obvious, but you have to start somewhere.
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Update: Again I'd like to start by apologizing to everyone, in particular SR & DPR. Some of the comments i made about SR & DPR in particular were irrational & written out of anger & frustration.
I joined SR and started selling as a social experiment , i was blown away with how well the system worked & how honest SR buyers & staff were, I was instantly drawn in.
What DPR & SR staff have created here is a great thing, it has taken so much time and effort to get to where SR is today & we all know the dangers involved for them, I really admire what DPR has set out to achieve & how much the system has evolved.
I truly do regret the rants regarding the commission applied on the SR system, the place could not work without it and who am i to judge them for this. the small problems that happen every once in a while are nothing when compared to how many other things go right every single day on the SR system. DPR is only human at the end of the day, he can't be everything to everyone, but he is certainly doing a good job trying & he has my support.
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So it looks like your account got "unbanned"?
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Hope GreenGiant stays and shares his green!
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Sorry GreenGiant, I feel you man. Less and less product is going up each day, kind of making me sad. But there isn't really an incentive for sellers, not only do they have to pay to set up their accounts but they also have to pay their tax in order to sell. That combined with the money being lost with withdrawal problems and bitcoin fluctuation is enough to make anyone crack. Rather money being gained money is disappearing, as well being lost and that's just not cool. Seller's really have been taking a beating lately, but on behalf of the buyers on the road, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS!!!
Good look in your future endeavors GreenGiant.
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i feel your pain GG. SR has really gone to shit the last month.
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excuse me? who the hell are you? A troll judging by your previous posts!
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Wow, that's a complete flip from your stance on this thread, as well as another. It's also a bit out of character for you. Just seemed a bit fishy to be so irate and pissed for days, to instantly exonerating DPR & SR. Not just once, but twice. However, not in the other thread. One would think that you'd think to go over and apologize on that thread as well.
My point? Maybe I don't have one that justifies your rationalization of what I should say, and so, would of course, be rejected by you upon the first word, but.......what would stop the Dictator from just posting from a banned account that everything is now hunky dory?
I have no clue, just sayin'........................
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Wow, that's a complete flip from your stance on this thread, as well as another. It's also a bit out of character for you. Just seemed a bit fishy to be so irate and pissed for days, to instantly exonerating DPR & SR. Not just once, but twice. However, not in the other thread. One would think that you'd think to go over and apologize on that thread as well.
My point? Maybe I don't have one that justifies your rationalization of what I should say, and so, would of course, be rejected by you upon the first word, but.......what would stop the Dictator from just posting from a banned account that everything is now hunky dory?
I have no clue, just sayin'........................
ha, I was actually just thinking the same thing. I'm not saying that's it - but looking from an outside perspective, one would assume two things 1. the OP is bi-polar or 2. SR admins hijacked the OPs account.
now before anyone says anything, I'm not saying that is what I think. I am merely saying that it definitely crossed my mind considering I just began reading this thread a few minutes ago. overall, I trust the honesty of this community to know better.
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I'm not so sure. Perusing GG's posts from the past, GG seems to be what some would call a "prick". To me, it's someone who doesn't take shit, and speaks frankly and bluntly. This is from threads prior to the BTC fiasco. This type of personality doesn't normally respond in this manner when they are wrong or apologetic. This personality type would likely be more prone to a quick, short, straight to the point apology. Not the full exoneration in rambling manifestos of apologies. It's like he went from a testy pitbull, to a fucking irate pitbull, to a whiny, shaky little scared rat lap dog. (hehe, that oughta spark some of that pitbull)
And when 2 people consoled him, saying they felt his pain, his reply was quite odd.
excuse me? who the hell are you? A troll judging by your previous posts!
Funny, as it's that reply which led me to look at *his* prior posts, and that's what led me to this idea.
I'm calling fucking shenanigans.
SHENANIGANS
...maybe I should go check SR 1st, and see if GG is still listing........or....my conspiracal mind starts churning.................
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For God's sake, if you want to find out who it is you just need to email from an independent anonymous service to his Tormail a/c using PGP. He will still be using the same public/private keys, right? /conspiracy theory
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I'm not so sure. Perusing GG's posts from the past, GG seems to be what some would call a "prick". To me, it's someone who doesn't take shit, and speaks frankly and bluntly. This is from threads prior to the BTC fiasco. This type of personality doesn't normally respond in this manner when they are wrong or apologetic. This personality type would likely be more prone to a quick, short, straight to the point apology. Not the full exoneration in rambling manifestos of apologies. It's like he went from a testy pitbull, to a fucking irate pitbull, to a whiny, shaky little scared rat lap dog. (hehe, that oughta spark some of that pitbull)
And when 2 people consoled him, saying they felt his pain, his reply was quite odd.
excuse me? who the hell are you? A troll judging by your previous posts!
Funny, as it's that reply which led me to look at *his* prior posts, and that's what led me to this idea.
I'm calling fucking shenanigans.
SHENANIGANS
...maybe I should go check SR 1st, and see if GG is still listing........or....my conspiracal mind starts churning.................
who knows, maybe they just chowed down some benzos, or realized that trading on SR had made a load of cash for them (especially when the btc exchange is in their favor).
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everybody just chill the fuck out, and relax.
people make mistakes, irrational calls, holy fuck.
for a forum of drug users among drug users, we're all really high strung over mundane shit.
FUC
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Dimitri, i can assure you i am the same GreenGiant & my account has not been highjacked. I have not read all the post in regards to this conspiracy as i thought i should get a quick reply in now, but really I am the real GreenGiant! Business has been working as normal & i'm sure i can get some customers in here to vouch for that.
away to read the last page of this thread properly now and will address any questions/ issues mentioned
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I'm not so sure. Perusing GG's posts from the past, GG seems to be what some would call a "prick". To me, it's someone who doesn't take shit, and speaks frankly and bluntly. This is from threads prior to the BTC fiasco. This type of personality doesn't normally respond in this manner when they are wrong or apologetic. This personality type would likely be more prone to a quick, short, straight to the point apology. Not the full exoneration in rambling manifestos of apologies. It's like he went from a testy pitbull, to a fucking irate pitbull, to a whiny, shaky little scared rat lap dog. (hehe, that oughta spark some of that pitbull)
And when 2 people consoled him, saying they felt his pain, his reply was quite odd.
excuse me? who the hell are you? A troll judging by your previous posts!
Funny, as it's that reply which led me to look at *his* prior posts, and that's what led me to this idea.
I'm calling fucking shenanigans.
SHENANIGANS
...maybe I should go check SR 1st, and see if GG is still listing........or....my conspiracal mind starts churning.................
Dimitri, i don't know how to take the comment - GG seems to be what some would call a "prick". To me, it's someone who doesn't take shit, and speaks frankly and bluntly. This is from threads prior to the BTC fiasco.
I guess i will have to read over some of my previous forum posts before my missing BTC issues, i have never meant to come across as a "prick" ;D
In regards to my apology, what i wrote i considered i very shortened version from the full blown epic novel i could have written explaining the ins and out of my online life & real life which led to me being so irate. My comment in regards to the troll is because someone posted on the thread saying i had scammed them $200!!! hence why i bit back!! The post regarding the $200 was cleaned by staff i guess when getting rid of spam round the forums.
edit: also the twist this thread has taken in 2-3 members heads cracks me up ;D, you guys should write for Hollyoaks(a shit UK soap opera with dramatic plots).
Damitri you rock, keep up the good work! i've always loved you comment under your user rank makes me smile every time ;D
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I'll defiantely second the hollyoaks comment, this kinda shitty drama belongs on hollyoaks.
I just wanted to jump in to comment about GG, i had a delivery from him this week, 1 gram of thunderfuck golddust oil, 1 day delivery, exactly as described and better. He couldn't have been more helpful for me being a newbie buyer, helped me out with pgp and was patient when i mucked it up.
There's no doubt in my mind that GG is legit and it couldn't have been a better starting point for my journey on the silk road. He's set the bar very high. Cheers GG will definately definately be back!!!