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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: FightingForFreedom on January 31, 2012, 04:33 pm
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I found a pdf that explains how to do that, what kind of equipment and ingredients you need and all the steps and blablabla.
However, I don't have the money yet to set up a lab of my own and practice (and of course fail) a lot of times.
But I really want to get into the business. Is there anyone that can and wants to help me? Like teach me the steps? And maybe I can work for you for a couple of weeks/months? It could save you a lot of time. Or if there is any other way you can help me, I'd really like to know.
I live in The Netherlands, I'm a 21 year old kid and I will do anything to prove I'm not a cop if you want to help me / teach me.
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ive been researching quite a bit as well on this topic. although its doubtfull that i will ever actually set up shop..
you can figure it out on your own, it will just take longer. their are a few complicated reactions that you will have to learn. but before that you must find your chemicals, and your precurser. both are possible to get, but im not familiar with your countrys laws.
a few things ive found out in the last few months.
-take it slow! do not rush into getting chemicals, lab equipment, sasafrass, slow is fast. u dont want to be sitting in jail wishing u went slower and stayed low key.
-dont tell ANYONE what your doing, EVER.
GOOD LUCK! we need more people willing to take the plunge! respect :)
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No you don't, unless you can set up a lab and source chemicals quietly, alone and safely you're gonna get caught and jailed before you've received your first kilo of sassafras oil.
No NL lab will take you on as an operator unless you're a chemical engineer, or at least have a degree in chemistry and good contacts- these are setups where they can churn out 500kg per cycle, you think they're gonna employ a kid who 'found a pdf'? Small labs wouldn't need a chemist and you'd be playing with fire trying to hook up with anyone- they'd assume you were LE and I'd hate to think what could happen.
Running before you can walk is an understatement. If you're interested in it, then study chemistry for it's own sake, MDMA chemistry isn't half as interesting as the product :)
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If you live in NL why bother producing it yourself? Place is swamped with quality MDMA
Just buy the cheapest yet quality MDMA you can find and refine it through anhydrous methods into awesome MDMA.
You wouldn't want to buy $5k worth of PMK either only to experiment with it ruining batch after batch, might as well start with the cheap stuff then graduate to full production
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If you're in the NL, I really don't see the point. You won't be able to compete with the large criminal gangs that produce it in 10kg+ batches. Also, you really shouldn't be producing unless you understand the chemistry behind it; that's how people get hurt. Be safe :)
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Q: How do I make MDMA?
A: If you have to ask on a forum you probably shouldn't.
Unless you have a profound University level understanding of Chemistry you should shy away.
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If you're in the NL, I really don't see the point. You won't be able to compete with the large criminal gangs that produce it in 10kg+ batches.
I won't have to compete with the big guys at first. You start small, sell to a small audience, become a little bigger, sell to a little bigger audience etc etc...
Well, I wouldn't say that you need a profound understanding of university chemistry if all you wanna do is perfect 1 synthesis. However, you definitely do need at least some formal chemistry training. At the very least, you'd need to take all of the organic chemistry classes that are offered at your local/community college, if they have those in your country.(Sorry ignorant American here.)
Like other people are saying though, you can't just read and re-read that PDF and then go start mixing chemicals once you think you know what it means. That's very dangerous, because no matter what drug you're synthesizing, you usually need solvents and other chemicals that are very flammable or hazardous, and you need to know what precautions you need to take to prevent bad situations. You need real-life lab experience before you can try anything. Really wanna stress that to you man. Again, without those classes, you really shouldn't try synthesizing anything. Even at a local college, you'll learn the basic principles, you'll get lab experience, and a general feel for performing chemical procedures.
Okay I will do my best to learn everything I need to learn. Thanks for the tip man. :-)
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If you're in the NL, I really don't see the point. You won't be able to compete with the large criminal gangs that produce it in 10kg+ batches.
I won't have to compete with the big guys at first. You start small, sell to a small audience, become a little bigger, sell to a little bigger audience etc etc...
Or you could be hired into their network ("can't beat 'em, join 'em" style).
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Or you could be hired into their network ("can't beat 'em, join 'em" style).
Or that of course. :-)
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u guys are strait up DOWNERS!!!
its not that hard to learn the chemistry, nor is it that unsafe when you are following the precautions you need to. i met a guys who was producing MDMA on his own from age 18-20, until he got busted selling to a customer.
a few organic chem classes, a year or so of study, carefull planning and aquisition of chems and your good to go..
dont be so discouraging.. yes its an outlaw buisness but it can and is being done by many little fish that have took the time to learn. its not only a big time gangster run thing.. sheesh guys..
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u guys are strait up DOWNERS!!!
Welcome to....... the Internet!
Good to see some encouragement though. I sort of agree. OP has a good thing going on here. No everyone in life has a clue what they want to actually 'do'... so keep at it OP.
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@thesilence981:
Thanks for the encouragement man! :-)
@LexusMiles:
Haha, well, this is not what I want to 'do' with my life. I consider this just to be an awesome way to oppose laws I don't agree with, an awesome way to make money and a learning experience.
However, I do know what I really want to do with my life. In a nutshell:
Did/do you know Christopher Hitchens (deceased, unfortunately) or Sam Harris (still alive fortunately)? Well what they did/do for atheism, I want to do for the resource based economy and nonviolent communication and other ideas that I think could make the world a whole lot better if the world embraced and implemented those ideas.
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@thesilence981:
Thanks for the encouragement man! :-)
@LexusMiles:
Haha, well, this is not what I want to 'do' with my life. I consider this just to be an awesome way to oppose laws I don't agree with, an awesome way to make money and a learning experience.
However, I do know what I really want to do with my life. In a nutshell:
Did/do you know Christopher Hitchens (deceased, unfortunately) or Sam Harris (still alive fortunately)? Well what they did/do for atheism, I want to do for the resource based economy and nonviolent communication and other ideas that I think could make the world a whole lot better if the world embraced and implemented those ideas.
I was totally in favor of your scheme with the proviso you work hard until you mentioned RBE. Then I was mind = blown.
I do hope you're trolling or "Im 12 and wat is this" because this is a market. Markets are the distilled essence of capitalism. In fact, this is not just a market, it is the black market. Nobody is declaring their income for tax purposes here (at least I hope not, ha ha).
You could not get more capitalistic if you wanted to. Never mind what you believe in theory, it's what you do in practice that counts.
To use an analogy, it's like joining the Green Berets to fight for NATO in order to defend communism.
If you truly desire knowledge and have an open mind, then I suggest you read the first 20 pages of the Wealth of Nations. Copyright has long expired and it is free to read anywhere online. Then you will understand two basic facts of economics that RBE is utterly ignorant of.
1. Where wealth comes from.
2. Why some countries are poorer and others are richer.
The answers, are not obvious. If they had been obvious, then we wouldn't have discovered them as recently as 300 years ago. The majority of people still don't understand them, and the ones that do, are called capitalists or communists. The Wealth of Nations changed the world in the same way the Origin of Species did before it. They are majestic feats of intellectual prowess that will change your perspective of this world forever. Only two times have I experienced this euphoric feeling in my life, and those were the two books that caused it. Better than any drug.
When you are done with reading that mere 20 or 30 pages, I suggest you google Hans Rosling on youtube "200 years, 200 countries".
Even if you are dead set against the Capitalist System, I think you should be aware of what you're up against. If you want to fix a car engine or do surgery on a human being, it helps to understand what they are supposed to function as.
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Oh my god this is gonna go off-topic, but okay. XD
I was totally in favor of your scheme with the proviso you work hard until you mentioned RBE. Then I was mind = blown.
I do hope you're trolling or "Im 12 and wat is this" because this is a market. Markets are the distilled essence of capitalism. In fact, this is not just a market, it is the black market. Nobody is declaring their income for tax purposes here (at least I hope not, ha ha).
You could not get more capitalistic if you wanted to. Never mind what you believe in theory, it's what you do in practice that counts.
To use an analogy, it's like joining the Green Berets to fight for NATO in order to defend communism.
The analogy doesn't work exactly. You see, I don't really have a choice but to go along with capitalism as long as it is in place. If I don't comply I will have a hard time getting food and a home and blablabla. However, that doesn't change the fact that I would rather live in an RBE.
If you truly desire knowledge and have an open mind, then I suggest you read the first 20 pages of the Wealth of Nations. Copyright has long expired and it is free to read anywhere online. Then you will understand two basic facts of economics that RBE is utterly ignorant of.
1. Where wealth comes from.
2. Why some countries are poorer and others are richer.
The answers, are not obvious. If they had been obvious, then we wouldn't have discovered them as recently as 300 years ago. The majority of people still don't understand them, and the ones that do, are called capitalists or communists. The Wealth of Nations changed the world in the same way the Origin of Species did before it. They are majestic feats of intellectual prowess that will change your perspective of this world forever. Only two times have I experienced this euphoric feeling in my life, and those were the two books that caused it. Better than any drug.
When you are done with reading that mere 20 or 30 pages, I suggest you google Hans Rosling on youtube "200 years, 200 countries".
Even if you are dead set against the Capitalist System, I think you should be aware of what you're up against. If you want to fix a car engine or do surgery on a human being, it helps to understand what they are supposed to function as.
I do want to have an open mind and I will gladly read all that you recommend me to read. I will admit that I am not an expert about economics whatsoever. However, I do want to make this point:
We, as a species, have the intelligence, the manpower and the technology to be able to provide clean water, healthy food and comfortable shelter to every person on this planet, easily. Moreover we can probably also provide education and entertainment for every person on this planet. However, we are not doing it. Why not? What is stopping us? Is it some law of physics? Some evil force of nature? No it's stuff like political problems and money problems and stuff like that. Those are problems that we have created. They do not exist in a physical sense, they are just made-up problems. That is basic reason why I think capitalism is bullshit and the RBE could work.
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I understand where you're coming from, because I had very similar views once.
Carefully read The Wealth of Nations (the first volume will be fine, the others are largely about now esoteric stuff unrelated to our circumstances today e.g. The Corn Laws).
For extra credit, read a book called "The Birth of Plenty".
In Science, we pride ourselves on finding solutions to problems. However the critical thing in Science, is not usually some genius solution to a problem, but asking the right kinds of questions. You really want to be sure you're asking the right questions if you want to change the world.
In my view world GDP has dramatically increased in an extremely short space of time. If you google Hans Rosling and Angus Maddison you'll find the statistics that back up this view. The levels of wealth we have experienced in the world today, are highly abnormal by historical standards. If you do not understand the wealth creation mechanism that enabled this to occur, then you are quite frankly wasting your time trying to fix anything. Even Karl Marx said as much in Das Kapital, which is why it's a pity that most so-called communists haven't even read their primary source material.
RBE is not a new idea. It is actually a very old idea indeed. In fact, if you do your research you'll find it actually predates capitalism. RBE in its currently most relevant and easily recognized form had its origin with something called the "Technocracy movement". Google this to find out more information.
Lastly, do read those two books I mentioned. It's next to impossible to have a coherent discussion on these matters if the two parties don't even agree on fundamentals such as the basic economic history of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries.
I mean, having a 'view' or 'perspective' is one thing, but you can't argue with "X tonnes of steel were manufactured in 1906", since that is simply an historical fact. Unfortunately in these discussions, with all due respect, proponents of RBE are frequently unaware of precisely these kinds of facts. I don't mean to be condescending, it's just true.
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you're gonna get caught and jailed before you've received your first kilo of sassafras oil.
So true. There's no way you're going to be able to obtain safrole without the proper connections. It's a category 1 precursor (or List 1 in the US).
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Sassafras trees are only found on the east coast in the US.
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Sassafras trees are only found on the east coast in the US.
You can also find them in Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam. The bark from the trees in the US are not a financially feasible option. Way too much work, way too little yield. Most sassafras oil comes from harvests in Southeast Asia.
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you're gonna get caught and jailed before you've received your first kilo of sassafras oil.
So true. There's no way you're going to be able to obtain safrole without the proper connections. It's a category 1 precursor (or List 1 in the US).
So wrong.. its for sale on clearnet at the moment.. look around. since when are the proper connections that hard to come by?? your posting from Tor browser on a SR forum.. where one can procure a pill press.. and your speaking about proper connections..
where there is a will there is a way, always has been always will be. and hard work will always pay off.
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you're gonna get caught and jailed before you've received your first kilo of sassafras oil.
So true. There's no way you're going to be able to obtain safrole without the proper connections. It's a category 1 precursor (or List 1 in the US).
So wrong.. its for sale on clearnet at the moment.. look around. since when are the proper connections that hard to come by?? your posting from Tor browser on a SR forum.. where one can procure a pill press.. and your speaking about proper connections..
where there is a will there is a way, always has been always will be. and hard work will always pay off.
lol. Point taken.
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Sassafras trees are only found on the east coast in the US.
You can also find them in Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam. The bark from the trees in the US are not a financially feasible option. Way too much work, way too little yield. Most sassafras oil comes from harvests in Southeast Asia.
yes, those places are well known for them and are the major producers of the world's MDMA, but in USA they're only found east of the mississippi. not sure if they would grow on the west coast.
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Sassafras trees are only found on the east coast in the US.
You can also find them in Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam. The bark from the trees in the US are not a financially feasible option. Way too much work, way too little yield. Most sassafras oil comes from harvests in Southeast Asia.
yes, those places are well known for them and are the major producers of the world's MDMA, but in USA they're only found east of the mississippi. not sure if they would grow on the west coast.
I get what you're saying now.
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You would get much more rich, and much more business if you successfully re-produce this cook. It's easier, and none of the ingredients are on the watch list. I'd buy your whole output:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/quaalude.cheapskate.html
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I really want to get into the business. Is there anyone that can and wants to help me? Like teach me the steps? And maybe I can work for you for a couple of weeks/months? It could save you a lot of time. Or if there is any other way you can help me, I'd really like to know.
I live in The Netherlands, I'm a 21 year old kid and I will do anything to prove I'm not a cop if you want to help me / teach me.
Making MDMA doesn't require any previous education, it's easy as fuck and a lot of fun to learn plenty of interesting stuff along the way. You'll need to save up about $2000 to buy equipment and chemicals. But as long as you can follow instructions, you can synthesize anything that has already been synthesized and documented by "real" chemists. Rhodium's chemistry archive is your friend:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html
So true. There's no way you're going to be able to obtain safrole without the proper connections. It's a category 1 precursor (or List 1 in the US).
You can buy sassafras in nearly every country except US/Canada and a few others. Even in the US though it is not illegal to buy or possess. The way the laws are worded is so that they need to prove that you had intent to manufacture an illegal substance.
The greatest tool for control is fear, and so that is what the DEA's "List 1" of precursors is. It's just their way is stopping legitimate businesses from selling certain chemicals, and it works. The answer is pretty simple though; don't do business with domestic companies. Or at the very least, don't give your money to any company that supports the DEA or other corrupt government agencies.
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You would get much more rich, and much more business if you successfully re-produce this cook. It's easier, and none of the ingredients are on the watch list. I'd buy your whole output:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/quaalude.cheapskate.html
Haha, quaaludes, that's pretty old skool, how much is that per gram?
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300mg average dose. Above recipe nets about 50g. Reagent costs and time ballpark to about $200.
166 doses at about $4-5 (conservative price per dose)
~$750 per cook, 500 profit. I know many would pay twice twice that per dose however. The best part is not having to fuck around looking for saffrole or anhydrous acetic acid.
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Lol LUDES
reminds me of 1970s Ramones lyrics and Bill Hicks standup
and that old school game Dope Wars where you started off trading ludes then moved up to selling coke on Coney Island
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see now were talkin! we need to get these scare tactics outa peoples heads! sure your operating outside the law but its really not that hard like Dopeboy said.
power to the people not the government control system :)