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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: pine on January 23, 2012, 02:38 pm
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A previous thread prompted this one "How would LEO Attack SR?"
If you're permanently on the defensive, it encourages the aggressor. Historically the majority of soldiers who die in battle do so when they are fleeing attack.
Discuss!
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Arm myself with sharp, gummy, LSD-laced, ninja throwing stars and ambush all LEO who dare to enter the lair of SR.
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This a good question, but I think we must also be on the defensive. Being defensive and offensive simultaneously isn't a contradiction.
LEO resources vastly out match whatever SR could muster. I think being a little more defensive than offensive is our best bet. Also, if our attack is too strong (e.g., killing LEO), this could provoke an even stronger backlash than what we were prepared for.
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Very likely Heyanezz, but I'm still leaning towards the LSD-laced, ninja throwing stars. 8)
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I did try to think of a non-jokey reply but I honestly have no ideas :/
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On a completely separate note, I'm finding the forum's software to be really something.
It's simple, yet elegant and functional at the same time. I've been on a whole lot of web forums and this is one of the best I've seen, which surprises me given that it's on TOR and there is significant design constraints. SR or whoever made the choice of forum software hit a home run here.
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Guerrilla warfare beat america in vietnam and is giving a beating in iraq and afghan. Take the same tactic and get unattributable assassinations done. Make them have to spend massive resources protecting each and every one of them. Make becoming one of them the equivalent of painting a bulls eye on their backs. Make them pay for every life they ruin...
Eventually, after a long, bloody road, they'll be too busy looking over their collective shoulders to worry about what we're up to.
Eh... Or maybe LSD throwing stars :)
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Guerrilla warfare beat america in vietnam and is giving a beating in iraq and afghan. Take the same tactic and get unattributable assassinations done. Make them have to spend massive resources protecting each and every one of them. Make becoming one of them the equivalent of painting a bulls eye on their backs. Make them pay for every life they ruin...
Eventually, after a long, bloody road, they'll be too busy looking over their collective shoulders to worry about what we're up to.
This just in Silk Road international Narcoterrorist hotspot... declares war on National Security
Smuggling illegal firearms, propagating training manuals and cyberterrorist acts
More News at Five
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lots of drugs here carry a life sentence for production or distribution and i believe that anyone trying to take my life is a threat that requires self defense of same nature. you are allowed to defend yourself in a life threatening situation... if i got busted with a joint id take the fine... if a cop stumbled on to me cooking an ungodly amount of meth, mdma, or anything of the sort i would defend my life as he tried to take it from me... so LEO reading this... youll never find me in either situation as it does not pertain to me. but think long and hard before trying to take someones life from them. we are here because we dont want to be dealing with armed scammers ready to kill for a couple of bucks and the people who manufacture the items here are helping keep the streets safe from these people. ruin this... and the streets will be littered with the filth we escape by coming here.
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I wonder what law enforcement agencies would do if someone made an assassination market. Similar to SR really, Tor hidden service and all that but instead of buying drugs you place bets on the last day a person will be alive. So you can place a bet that the lead agent of the DEA for example will not be alive on a certain date. The person who picks the correct date wins the entire jackpot, payable in anonymized bitcoins of course. It shouldn't be a Tor hidden service though, NSA might attack a site like that.
The most scary thing about assassinations is how anonymous they can be. Look how hard it is for them to trace drug packages it is probably no easier for them to trace bombs. Hell it took them ages to get the Unabomber and they only got him via a writeprint analysis attack done by his brother. This technique is often very frequently used by special operations teams for the assassination of targets, so they seem to think it is very effective.
Don't over estimate the powers of law enforcement. They are generally a step behind. We could pwn them. However the military would pwn us.
Another good idea is the use of self made UAVs. There are open source software solutions for flying them. And open source designs for making little flying helicopters even. Plus you can even buy them, but that might not be a good idea. There is really no reason why you couldn't use a laptop in one part of the country to control a mini helicopter on the other side, just use a cellular phone network and a VPN. There are mini UAVs with cool features, you can lock them onto vehicles etc and they can carry multi kilo loads. Some sophisticated smugglers use things similar to this to fly drugs over borders, but they could also be weaponized easily.
Booby trapped homes that you get raided could probably wipe out SWAT teams fairly effectively.
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the military would pwn us and we could pwn dea... but i think save everyones life by leaving us alone. 5 officers lost their lives today while making a drug bust in down town los Angeles today.... well i fucking wonder why... could it be because you were where you shouldnt have been.... yes... let us have and make our drugs... and as long as we are not allowed operable labs we will hide them in trap houses... dont go there... if were not welcome you are not welcome... theres a huge market for this and if you want a piece of the pie legalize it... then we wont have to worry about shitty drugs... and you wont have to worry about the law getting their asses kicked if a war broke out... i just wanna roll every now and then... or all the time... in any case dont fuck with that unless you willing to help. open a store Molly R Us and ill buy there. helping the community the economy and everything between. till then if you bust in on who makes my rollies i hope they put a bullet where the sun dont shine.
ps: i thought about opening a seller account for people removal... as i believe some need gone... just seems like id have to charge too much. and i think if people have sold kiddie porn here,,, then they should allow a himan section.
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LSD throwing stars/blowguns, they will repent.
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something we can agree on toker... only problem with chemical dipped weapons is we all drug users.... "hey hey pineappleexpress, hit me hit me!!!" we may lose this way it would be a nice way to go out tho...
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Very likely Heyanezz, but I'm still leaning towards the LSD-laced, ninja throwing stars. 8)
I'd make them breakable and filled with adrenochrome.
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I'd avoid violence. We don't need a strong backlash from the military or intelligence agencies. I'm also extremely uncomfortable about taking people's lives.
Instead, how about we set up a site containing address and name information of law enforcement officers. Vendors can then cross reference this info with the addresses given to them by buyers to check that they're not selling to law enforcement.
If it turns out they are, vendors could release incriminating details.
SR could also offer bitcoin rewards for potentially damaging info on LEO individuals.
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i like your idea heyenezz... gives them ... and their families... a reason to stay away...
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Hide your drugs. Hide your money. Hide your data.
Dress yourself properly and have a day job or go to school.
They'll think they got the wrong guy.
And don't say a lot.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the very existence of this thread isn't necessarily the smartest idea?
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no it probably shouldnt be here.... but since it is...
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the military would pwn us and we could pwn dea... but i think save everyones life by leaving us alone. 5 officers lost their lives today while making a drug bust in down town los Angeles today.... well i fucking wonder why... could it be because you were where you shouldnt have been.... yes... let us have and make our drugs... and as long as we are not allowed operable labs we will hide them in trap houses... dont go there... if were not welcome you are not welcome... theres a huge market for this and if you want a piece of the pie legalize it... then we wont have to worry about shitty drugs... and you wont have to worry about the law getting their asses kicked if a war broke out... i just wanna roll every now and then... or all the time... in any case dont fuck with that unless you willing to help. open a store Molly R Us and ill buy there. helping the community the economy and everything between. till then if you bust in on who makes my rollies i hope they put a bullet where the sun dont shine.
ps: i thought about opening a seller account for people removal... as i believe some need gone... just seems like id have to charge too much. and i think if people have sold kiddie porn here,,, then they should allow a himan section.
WTF are you talking about 5 cops did not die in LA two days ago in a drug bust.
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LMFAO no man it was a made up quote from say a news reporter... just saying cops wouldnt die in a drug bust if they were not trying to make a bust on drugs... sorry for any confusion... it was made up and theoretical
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Yeah, I could see myself eating the ammo if it were drug laced.
Go Ben! Attack!
Huh? (mumbled out between lips and puffed out cheeks with a mouth full of opiates and shrooms).
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We could pwn them. However the military would pwn us.
Actually in the U.S we have something called the Posse Comitatus Act. Look it up.
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As funny as it would be to go around killing all of the law enforcement, I don't think that will solve anything. We should either be stealthy, or collect info and blackmail.
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Drug laws in my country are pretty damn severe so yeah; kill 'em.
j/k......mostly.
Assassination market sounds interesting though; self-actualizing wannabe hit men in a positive direction, what's not to like?
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As funny as it would be to go around killing all of the law enforcement
What the fuck?
I'm sorry, I like guns and hunting and have felt the urge to kill somone before.
But I don't think murder should ever be "funny".
Are you fucking serious dude, if so, there must be something wrong with you.
normal people dont think killing cops is "funny".
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yes... let us have and make our drugs... and as long as we are not allowed operable labs we will hide them in trap houses... dont go there... if were not welcome you are not welcome... theres a huge market for this and if you want a piece of the pie legalize it... then we wont have to worry about shitty drugs... and you wont have to worry about the law getting their asses kicked if a war broke out... i just wanna roll every now and then... or all the time... in any case dont fuck with that unless you willing to help. open a store Molly R Us and ill buy there. helping the community the economy and everything between.
Also, if you think about it in a way, sellers are still helping the community. With all the money sellers get they also want to spend some of it on food, electronics, etc. Some of the money is still funding it's way through the system. Although I wouldn't say I want drugs legalized, just decriminalized :D
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EDIT: I'M NOT MODIFYING THE MESSAGE TO OWN UP TO MY STUPID MISTAKE, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE GAWKER ARTICLE THREAD, HAHHAHAHAHA
i WAS SHOCKED AND APPALLLED BY WHAT ZIFNAB SAID, HAHA
Guerrilla warfare beat america in vietnam and is giving a beating in iraq and afghan. Take the same tactic and get unattributable assassinations done. Make them have to spend massive resources protecting each and every one of them. Make becoming one of them the equivalent of painting a bulls eye on their backs. Make them pay for every life they ruin...
Eventually, after a long, bloody road, they'll be too busy looking over their collective shoulders to worry about what we're up to.
Eh... Or maybe LSD throwing stars :)
are you suggesting persecuting journalists? I understand ostracizing the mediocre fear mongers for your perusing of words and protest their publication, but to censor them outright, and even worse, in a physical and permanent manner, is a very, VERY dangerous slope my friend, and would serve no purpose to any true cause.
Positions of power are another thing. Positions of power are symbols, and MUST be assassinated in any revolution, but note i said the symbols must be assassinated. We are not in monarchich times anymore, the only method of removal of a sovereign's power isn't decapitation anymore. Though there may be cases were more than the symbol, the person holding the power is a dangerous and bloodthirsty sociopath, in which case, it's paying justice for the lost lives of the citizens, which is another matter entirely, and ideally would be post facto, if they shuold survive a coup or civil war, and with a proper trial, a la Saddam Hussein (not saying the war was a good idea... just saying he did deserve execution, but i think they should have sent him to one of those black prisons first, just him and his sons, not any of the ones that were taken. Oh, and Qaddafi. MAYBE carlos the jackal. That guy said he was fighting for revolution but he was really just a terrorist for hire who made millions from his murder of innocents. The proletariat cannot fight the bourgeois by killing the proletariat.)
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Hey random, i see your point there but yeah; wrong thread man. I do not suggest, plan to or encourage the assassination of journalists. The (unbiased) media are our friends :) In the gawker article thread i merely expressed my dissatisfaction as i would to a friend who'd just screwed up royally.
No murder necessary.
LEO on the other hand i have a serious, mother-humping, brontosaurus bone to pick with. I don't know about where you are but over where i am people are killed by LEO's every damn day over drugs. Every day.
Friends, family? It doesn't matter. Just a delivery boy? It doesn't matter. You get caught, your life is over unless you can scrape together a half mil to bribe your charge down to life in prison. Yeah man, its like that.
Needless to say, i have strong feelings about this. I've seen the lives LEA's ruin, and the wrecked families they leave behind. The worst is when they brainwash a victim into thinking its all his fault, that if he just followed along like a good little drone the world would've been all peaches and cream. Well fuck NO!! Its tough out there and there is something deeply, disturbingly wrong with the world.
All we have are our loved ones and a fistful of perspective. Everything else is maya.
So chill man, no need to be all 'shocked and awe and appalled' with me. ;)
I respect that you stood up in this matter believing the cause you had was worthwhile. Now, lets get back to the revolution; i'm seriously concerned about this gawker thing...
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Use stealth to hide Silk Road. As far as I know this is going well.
If SR or owner is attacked, switch to offensive mode, kill the pigs, show no mercy as they show no mercy to people busted.
There is no single solution for security, both blackmail, killings and stealth can be used simultaneously.
Launching Cyber attack against government is dangerous and severely punished? Anonymous are doing this almost every day for lulz.
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Killing cops sounds awful.
Why don't we make some Super PAC or other lobby group? Get every drug dealer in the world to pitch in anonymously. Then pay off the politicians to pass a few bills that "refocus" LE resources and end the war on drugs (as we know it).
It's totally legal and probably our duty as citizens in a democracy!
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This thread is somewhat concerning, though I do understand a lot of the sentiments here.
I think aggressive retaliation would just make everything 10x worse, but at the same time, I'm not sure anything else would have any effect.
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Right now SR is just an annoyance to LE and Government Officials. If you start plotting against, or threatening them, it becomes personal. Then you're inviting attacks on several fronts from organized groups that are greatly funded, highly resourced, and have more experience in these matters. That against a group of anonymous and loosely organized people who are in no way as well funded as the other side.
The best things to do are:
1. keep on your shit, stay anonymous, don't talk and finally, DENY! DENY! DENY! I can't speak for other countries, but in the States one has the right to remain silent. Take full advantage of this right.
2. Propaganda and lobbying is the best place to fight against prohibition. Its undeniable that prohibition has been an extreme fail in contrast to countries who have decriminalized drugs.
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Why don't we make some Super PAC or other lobby group?
I like this idea, make it an option to donate leftover bitcoins?
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Using Silk Road IS an attack on LEO.
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I think we should use peaceful persuasion to show LEO the error of their ways.
1. Everyone owns their own body. (Axiomatic)
2. Everyone has the right to put whatever they want into their own body. (Drugs, fatty food, tattoos, piercings, etc)
3. People who lock other people in cages for what they put in their own bodies are the violent criminal aggressors, and need to stop.
To LEO who are reading this, please realize that you are on the wrong side of morality, and you need to stop hurting peaceful people.
If you quit now, myself, and most people will be willing to forgive you.
To those who continue to hurt peaceful people: I won't shed a tear if, and when, someone defends themselves against your violent aggression.
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I really like the idea of forming a Super PAC/lobbying group, funded by anonymous donors. Whoever would be in the public eye doing the lobbying would have to have to be super-clean, though.
What would it take to have enough money to be truly competitive in the political sphere?
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Why not have a fundraiser for groups like NORML and LEAP?
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wipe poop all over. aint no leo gonna tackle the abominable shit man
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wipe poop all over. aint no leo gonna tackle the abominable shit man
LOLZ this is funny as.
On a serious note regarding a Hitman directory has nobody gone over to BMR lately or taken a look through the Onion directory lol? There is 5 adds on BMR alone and others have their own site on the Onion directory lol.
And also I think if the U.S gov did attack SR why not start knocking over Police Chiefs, FBI Chiefs and politicians.... As said above the people are only one click away....
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Aggressive retaliation against attacks by LEO, including assassinations.
Something tells me this isn't going to be a winning strategy.
All we can really do is try to improve our digital security and our packaging methods.
Informants would also be useful.
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I'm doing something so just ignore the next post. I'll delete in 5 minutes.
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Bad stuff first, good stuff last.
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It feels like I've just written a letter. This is the biggest post I've done. (I also wish pine hadn't gone so she could advise you in less words and in a way that could hit home.) I don't know how to end this. So I'm just going to end it.I'm not even going to read this before posting because if I do I'm afraid that I'll take something out. Don't take this post personally. But you need to know. You really........................................ need........................................ to know.
Piece out.
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This thread is somewhat concerning, though I do understand a lot of the sentiments here.
I think aggressive retaliation would just make everything 10x worse, but at the same time, I'm not sure anything else would have any effect.
This.
And also, it seems like people are focusing on the wrong types of people. Beat level cops are like pushers, someone takes all of em out and their positions will be filled by tomorrow. There are too many of us(humans). Those guys simply do what they are told to provide for their families like the rest of us. Some of them are scared to face the truth and some are still believing the lies due to lack of experience I know some of them(okay, maybe a lot) are assholes, but I don't think killing them would have much of an effect aside from causing us to fight amongst ourselves, causing division, and giving the media something legit to twist and feed to the people.
I like the idea of the big guys in the game(and little guys too) pitching in to lobby, but it would take A FUCKINGSHITTON of money to out lobby the various contenders already in the ring. Those who profit from the drug war, seriously profit from the drug war(think all encompassing).
kmfkewm said some of the most terrifying shit I have ever heard. Balls+brains=holyfuckholdon
"I think we should use peaceful persuasion to show LEO the error of their ways."
On a person to person basis, I agree. But don't preach like the Bible beaters or it will sound just as bad. Stick to people we know who are or know LEO.
I don't think this is the way to do it:
"1. Everyone owns their own body. (Axiomatic)
2. Everyone has the right to put whatever they want into their own body. (Drugs, fatty food, tattoos, piercings, etc)
3. People who lock other people in cages for what they put in their own bodies are the violent criminal aggressors, and need to stop.
To LEO who are reading this, please realize that you are on the wrong side of morality, and you need to stop hurting peaceful people.
If you quit now, myself, and most people will be willing to forgive you.
To those who continue to hurt peaceful people: I won't shed a tear if, and when, someone defends themselves against your violent aggression. "
It would be like a born again Xtian talking to an informed Atheist using "teh crazy Bible talk", we need to speak science to these people b/c it's what they understand.
The bully's and jocks of the playground have taken over b/c they are the only one's who really gaf as to who's in control. For the most part, the good guys won't do anything cause they're the good guys and never want to hurt anyone but just want to be left alone to play in the sandbox or climb on the jungle gym.
But that's probably just the smoke talking. Threads like this are no good for me.
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It's impossible to fight them directly and win. Just being in their presence is threatening. I'm making a sincere effort to be more technologically savvy so I can stay under the radar. It's the only way really, unless maybe if you're in a position of power so the rules don't apply to you as much.
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Aggressive retaliation against attacks by LEO, including assassinations.
Something tells me this isn't going to be a winning strategy.
The only thing this strategy will get you is a life sentence, and possibly execution, depending on where you live. It won't get drug laws overturned.
You'll notice that nobody advocating violence has gone out and done it themselves. They're MO is to act like internet tough guys and convince other -- possibly mentally unstable -- people to carry out their idiotic ideas.
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I think some people here need to take a serious step back and think about what they're saying.
We are not an organization with anywhere near a fraction of the resources and power that any government could bring to bear against the SR. People are comparing us fighting LE to some guerrilla fight, where even though we have less power, we can harry them and harass them. While we may be able to carry that on for a short while (best case scenario), they would quickly crush us as the public opinion turns towards them.
For now, many of you are correct that we have an odd sort of moral high ground. I think that enough people recognize this to diffuse public opinion about SR. However, the minute we even start to talk about taking offensive action against them, especially violent action, we not only sacrifice all public opinion, giving their war against us that much more momentum, but we sacrifice any possible moral high ground.
Even if you're joking about retaliatory action here, this is more or less a public forum, and there are people who can see this who won't take it as a joke, and that's a surefire way to bad press, and it would be hard to say that we don't deserve it.
Frankly if you are advocating any sort of violence against LEO on this forum, or arguably any offensive action against LEO, you are more harmful to SR than LE is.
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If anything SR is doing LE a favor by reducing the amount of Drug related violence happening on the streets of many communities and cites.
FUCK THE POLICE THEY'RE OUT NUMBERED ANYWAYS
There are more people (and a growing number each day) out here searching for new, better, and improved ways to get around this so called "system" than ones getting paid (LE) a cheap salary to brainstorm up ways on how to stop or block people from getting around it. It's like bringing brass knuckles to a gun fight. Your hit with the completely unexpected (whips out gun) then left with that dick look on your face and don't know what to do (unless you are a mixed martial arts master) which 9/10 your not.
One thing that SR brings to the table is the power of communities intellect. I would have never though that as many people that are actively participating in this growing community of illegal "quote on quote" trade would be coming together collaborating with each other on a positive note ( mostly just want to either make some cash, offer other people around the world legitimate and real products, trip balls on some acid or smoke some actually good and REAL weed...etc) to do business while eliminating as much risk and violence as possible. Whats the point in spending months or years working your way up to doing multi-kilo transactions when you can't even sleep well at night because you don't know if someone is going to try to fuck you over on some dumb high shit or whatever. SR provides that opportunity to many dealers that gives them that piece of mind at the end of the day. (for the most part)
However i must thank LE for keeping us on out toes about our shit as well as being that incentive to think of new ways around you mother-fuckers.....FUCK THE POLICE (alot of them are crooked anyways)
Now as of what SR can do to combat LE... (My opinion)
1.Continue our discussions and informing our community on changes, new ideas, concepts, ways to tell if LE or not to help strengthen our community and make our transactions even more secure. (Because i can honestly say that I would not be thinking about or paying attention to a lot of the small(er) shit that's actually important in this trade if it went for fellow members "asking questions" and getting informative responses.
2. Improve our ways of weeding out LE from actual buyers/sellers (Non-LE) creating a system where only certain members are eligible to access a certain post not based on how many posts you have but from other factors that rates you based on things like: Relevance, consistency, thumbs up/down, useful information,ad im pretty sure there are more other complex shit that can go in there that's only accessible to DPR or staff or something idk.
3. Work together informing new users on risks/things to look for
It's one thing to be "yourself" than to try to think and be like "someone else". Were just being ourselves doing what we do best and those hired pigs are trying to solve us like a math problem. Only prob is that LE will forever be 'Behind" the curve. So lets search for more ways to make that gap wider and our trade more safer for EVERYONE! Like i said this community is doing LE a favor in a logical manner than the reactive "Bang Bang" method :)
P.s FUCK THE POLICE! idt that could be stretched enough.!
Let me know if this makes sense im pretty high right now typing this :p ::)
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Killing cops sounds awful.
Well you know what oktoy, YOU sound awful.
Why don't we make some Super PAC or other lobby group? Get every drug dealer in the world to pitch in anonymously. Then pay off the politicians to pass a few bills that "refocus" LE resources and end the war on drugs (as we know it).
It's totally legal and probably our duty as citizens in a democracy!
You should've just said that. I'm down with something like this if done right.
Didn't realise I had inadvertently started a shit storm with this. I reactivated this when looking into pine when someone asked me about sexy things I'd written (if any). But now everyone is here.....
Those guys simply do what they are told to provide for their families like the rest of us.
Never want to hear a statement like that again.
kmfkewm said some of the most terrifying shit I have ever heard. Balls+brains=holyfuckholdon
"I think we should use peaceful persuasion to show LEO the error of their ways."
On a person to person basis, I agree.
On a person to person basis, I don't. Or any other basis. Not by a long shot. I think this really ineffective, and to be honest, what we've done for the past 50 years. Taking a passive stance and praying to Jesus doesn't help anybody.
To LEO who are reading this, please realize that you are on the wrong side of morality, and you need to stop hurting peaceful people.
If you quit now, myself, and most people will be willing to forgive you.
You reaaaaaally think that's going to happen? Pretty safe bet most people will NOT forgive, no matter what happens. It will mean nothing. Perhaps you might see it my way if I came over to your house and abused you horrifically, then came back next week to say no hard feelin's.
To those who continue to hurt peaceful people: I won't shed a tear if, and when, someone defends themselves against your violent aggression. "
The bully's and jocks of the playground have taken over b/c they are the only one's who really gaf as to who's in control. For the most part, the good guys won't do anything cause they're the good guys and never want to hurt anyone but just want to be left alone to play in the sandbox or climb on the jungle gym.
Now you're talking more sense. This is Raz's language.
But that's probably just the smoke talking. Threads like this are no good for me.
Not true. We want to hear different thoughts on this, that's what a poll is for. Just pisses me off that some people here think that cops are human, when they are scum. The good people always give bad people the benefit of the doubt, which is why they get away with it in the first place. Too many spyneless good people turn the blind eye. In this way, I can really back up your analogy on the jungle gym. It's correct.
Last time I checked, only ONE poll option suggested "aggressive retaliation". pine didn't actually say you should all DO it. What about the other options? Can't we be a little craftier than that? What about hacking? That seems to deliver more impact than just killing a cop here and there, fun as that sounds. And in this way I concur with ascent5154 and astor, because head-on fighting -- killing -- would not work and even if did work would not be effective. Changing the world one dead cop at a time is really limited in planning. There is no self-perpetuating motion that generates over time; if people stop everything stops. Too simple, too stupid.
Carbonic's post is obvious common sense, but I don't think anyone here is advocating all-out war with LE. This is a more of a think-tank. Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. (And no that wasn't originally from Assassin's Creed for godsake. It borrowed it.) [Shit I'm angry today.]
The Nervax, dude, I like you but, I don't think SR is doing LEs a favour, or at least not the corrupt ones, which is most of them, because SR returning to the drug world OWNERSHIP. In the SR world, you make the drugs you sell the drugs you keep the money. In the real world, you make the drugs you sell the drugs you keep the money................ until you're busted, have them stolen from you, then watch from your cell as the honourable PoPo resell them back on the street, minus the set up, making, distribution, and peddlar fees.
You STILL think cops are saving the community you fucking backward grandmas and grandpas out there? (Shouldn't you be in a morgue or something?)
(Rest of your points are good though).
Tools to fight LE would include educating people. The broadcasting of police abuse is one of the most important tools we have. However, where one can, the more information regarding identity the better. Hacking. Why chase snakes in the grass when with a bit of a concerted effort, LE moneypots are out there unmolested? Crooked cops personal bank accounts should really be a priority, especially as a bank investigation will uncover some unexplainable inconsistencies.
This is just me musing. I'm allowed to. It's a think-tank thread. I'm no hacker. I'm no journalist. Sometimes it's good just to get a mix of ideas on an issue, so thanks to everyone who contributed.
Piece out (unless you're a cop, in which case I hope you get shot or stabbed or something). Drive safely. ;)
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Police "Peace" officers have no obligation to protect civilians, their only obligation is to protect the system.
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Police "Peace" officers have no obligation to protect civilians, their only obligation is to protect the system.
The above is a trueism and easily provable.
Simply telephone your local police station and inform them that you have information that a burglar is going to break into your house tonight and that you want them to place a squad car out the front of your house to protect you and your possessions. I think you'll find yourself shitoutaluck with that one.
The police will only ever act AFTER a citizen or a citizens property has been harmed. I.E they will investigate the burglary.
The public simply has an illusion that they are protected by police whereas the only possible way that any level of police
protection comes about is indirectly from the small deterrent factor (which studies show is virtually not a factor at all to criminals committing crimes)
In contrast to this, police are routinely/daily proactively physically protecting government officials all over the country.
So, yeah, it's common sense and plain to see who the police are set up to protect.
Regarding the topic subject, my opinion is that violence is not an option both morally and in terms of effectiveness and that the only way, in reality that things will change, and it is glaringly inevitable that things will invert, is when more and more of the younger generation reach voting age and also gain positions of power/influence.... public opinion is already beginning to turn against prohibition and that, in my opinion is the result mostly from, again younger people getting older and having a meaningful say. So, one day the tables WILL turn and people like kmfkewm may well have their day.
Does anyone know if at the end of alcohol prohibition, there was any pushback/aggression against the authorities that were behind the prohibition ?
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The Nervax, dude, I like you but, I don't think SR is doing LEs a favour, or at least not the corrupt ones, which is most of them, because SR returning to the drug world OWNERSHIP. In the SR world, you make the drugs you sell the drugs you keep the money. In the real world, you make the drugs you sell the drugs you keep the money................ until you're busted, have them stolen from you, then watch from your cell as the honourable PoPo resell them back on the street, minus the set up, making, distribution, and peddlar fees.
True that Carbonic.
However, when I say SR is doing LE a favor, I mean on the basis that SR provides a peaceful place to conduct business, informing buyers, seller, and hell even users on the product(s) in which they sell ,consumer and are interested about. This eliminates a great deal of violence that occurs on the street weather police or civilian as well as believe it or not, decrease their payroll for hiring new LE. SR has a great stake in helping boost the development of creating STEALTH(ier) shipping by giving a place to share our ideas publicly and privately, meaning that it's not just a matter of them staking out some place they suspect and then going in for a bust. First they'd have to find out who's dealing and SR makes that more and more difficult for them each day by making both the buyer & seller more anonymous. This allows a lot of BIG transactions to take place much safer smoother than if you went the traditional dead-drop or f2f method which "protection" in some cases is a must (Weight). Trust me if your buying 1kilo of something, most likely that's not the only one your going to ever purchase. On the street, LE has ways of monitoring areas to pick out people involved with such sales as these, which in turn heightens the risk in getting busted down the line.
Now as far as the corrupted motherfuckers on here, they're pretty much wasting their time. They're already brainwashed, fuck-ups (that goes for most LE) in life already and will eventually meet their fate down the line regardless (simply because they sold their soul for a 45k salary, the ability to run red lights/speed and a dozen jelly doughnuts oh and also the ability to feel like a tough guy with their badge only when they're ON DUTY). Eventually, someones going to say "fuck you" back to them and not in a so nice way if you know what I mean.
Of course SR is accessible to everyone in a sense so LE is partially in the door, but again they're people who take orders (don't have control over their own minds) to bring down people who control their own minds and are collectively working together to make themselves and SR as a whole more secure. Were the fishermen they're the fish (dumb)
"I don't think extremely hard think about what i do, for the most part i just do "it" and "it" happens. That distinguishes the real from the fake.
LE is stuck on "it" because they "don't" know, and they probably never will, because by the time they catch up it's already obsolete. That explains a lot of why SR is still standing strong till this day!
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lol The Nervax....... you quoted me, not Carbolic. But yeah. You make a good point in your first paragraph. I knew what you meant. If 5-0 were a decent bunch of people SR is doing them a favour. Too bad they don't care about law and order though. Secretly, they're pissed off when people don't speed because it decreases revenue from speeding tickets, and secretly, they're pissed off with SR because they can't rob drug dealers anymore.
But I guess we knew that.
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Here you go, placing bets on who will die next? Pretty popular evidently too: http://stiffs.com/
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Killing cops sounds awful.
Well you know what oktoy, YOU sound awful.
You seem to have some hostility issues, man. lol
I'm pretty zeed out but I think you misunderstood most of what I was trying to say. I was also quoting someone else, in my post(look for the quotations to see when it isn't me talking), but I do think killing cops sounds awful. Killing anyone fucking sux. If you don't understand that, then maybe you've never had to do it before.
Quoting myself here, trying to focus on what matters:
"And also, it seems like people are focusing on the wrong types of people. Beat level cops are like pushers, someone takes all of em out and their positions will be filled by tomorrow. There are too many of us[human beings, I'm not a cop. lol].
[SOME OF] Those guys simply do what they are told to provide for their families like the rest of us. Some of them are scared to face the truth and some are still believing the lies due to lack of experience. [YES Some of them are beyond redemption, but we need to focus on key players, not just any badge that walks down the street.] I know some of them(okay, maybe a lot) are assholes, but
*****I don't think killing them would have much of an effect aside from causing us to fight amongst ourselves, causing division, and giving the media something legit to twist and feed to the people. ******"
I guess that was my main point. Kill low level cops and more will pop up like cockroaches and fill the positions, then it will ALSO give the media a reason to twist the reasoning behind the killings and give big bro a really good reason to disarm us(not MY opinion, but most ignorant civilians will agree with what they say once officers they know start coming under fire). We would be wasting our resources completely.
TAKE OUT THE ROOT, MAYBE THE BRANCHES.
FOCUS ON THE LEAVES AND WE ARE ALL STILL FUCKED.
What better reason for them to bring a military in?
That's all I meant.
I like the hacking ideas, and the lobbying, but I'm still clueless when it comes to most of that.
As for the talking one on one, it WILL do some good if you can be inconspicuous about what you are trying to do. If you preach at them(like a Christian to an Atheist), they won't want to hear it. They need to see evidence. For them to make a fucking friend that thinks like us would probably do a lot more than fighting/preaching at them. Look at Hoffa, words can do A LOT.
Another thing you can do, if you have kids, is to teach them about politics and stuff that really matters. If we leave it up to public schools, they will believe what the tv tells them just like most young people today. I don't have any yet, but if I do, that will be one topic I won't look over.
Guess that's about it.....until I can't type more efficiently, that is. :P
/rant time to party for a minute.
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There was one quote where it was not clear that it was not you writing. That, I should have picked up on before quoting, but I didn't. Sorry if it came across in a way that you feel misquoted you, it does look that way on one of the quotes; I've gone through it and the rest appears clear. I wondered at that point if it might have looked clearer with auto quotes and not manual ones?
We both concur on the same thing though -- systematic killing of cops, at least small time cops, won't solve a lot. It'd be okay if it was one here or there, made to look like an accident. If you somehow manage to strip all the leaves from a tree, it would be a lot of effort, and worthless. I believe the best mantra is exposure, and more importantly, hacking. Knowing every move the LE make before they make it is in my opinion, merely a preliminary step. Trojans and other surveillance should really be more than considered.
Still don't agree with % of LE who are assholes. I believe that the systematic way they are trained makes every cop a threat, and equally a target. Don't think I'm an absolutist. Also, naive people who say something can't be black and white are like people who say not all fish must live in the sea, some must live on land. Course they live in the water. That's why they're fish. :-\ Hope that was clear. Some cops are worse than others, but if someone's holding a badge, they've been trained by the same methods. Only female cops seem to have a brain, and even then.......
+1 for taking this well. btw auto quotes are really handy to use. And I don't have hostility issues. I have ethical issues. When I see something wrong, I point it out. Piece out.
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As viscerally satisfying as violence can sound I don't think it's going to be able to effect change about drug prohibition. Look at how many people have been killed in Mexico since they stepped up their drug war at the behest of the US, I don't see the president of Mexico saying "eh fuck you El Norte, we're legalizing everything to stop the violence" Even if anti-prohibition violence could be directed towards the top political leaders who fap hardest to the war on drugs, that'd just bump enforcing prohibition up in priority for every agency that has their hands in it, plus turn public opinion against you and give the prohibition propagandists perfect fodder. It's just not a winable fight.
Stealth, education and bribery are the best things to focus on. Organized lobbying is a good idea, after all that's just bribery at the highest levels, but that takes a lot more money & organization than paying off low level LE workers. I am reminded of hearing about how Frank Lucas' organization used to pay off beat cops with 10-40 times what they make in a year. Everyone has a price. I wonder if it came to it how much SR management could swing for a bribes budget. May already have one going now that I think about it.
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Seriously people, let's shut the fuck up and stop giving people a reason to label SR as a terrorism group because I and the other vendors probably are good with sticking with dealing drugs and making money rather than having our arses painted as some sort of deep-web cop-killing group.
Grow the fuck up.
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As above, this is a think-tank. If you can't handle it, then get the phuc of this thread.
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As above, this is a think-tank. If you can't handle it, then get the phuc of this thread.
Fool.
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Beneath the rule of men entirely great
The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
The arch-enchanters wand! — itself is nothing! —
But taking sorcery from the master-hand
To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
The loud earth breathless! — Take away the sword —
States can be saved without it! [Edward Bulwer-Lytton (1839)]
Yes, it is true that we are in an arms race with LEO, but the use of violence will only weaken us. The violence that is assosiated with many of the worlds drug-distribution networks only justifies the violence the LE uses against people involved in these network for the common man. So lets use the pen and and make the public opinion work for us instead of against us. And let us use sorcery (IT) to paralyze (encrypt, hide us, reveal them) the Cæsars (LEO), and to strike the loud earth breathless (change the system and the laws).
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large doses of lsd and the suggestion of flying from the top of a building ;D
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Killing cops sounds awful.
Why don't we make some Super PAC or other lobby group? Get every drug dealer in the world to pitch in anonymously. Then pay off the politicians to pass a few bills that "refocus" LE resources and end the war on drugs (as we know it).
It's totally legal and probably our duty as citizens in a democracy!
Best idea Ive heard yet and wtf is with all the cop killing shit? Rethink that because you will be happy you did. Dont become like the fascists that we all detest so much, rise the fuck above it and realize you are better than them. Killing them solves nothing it just perpetuates the cycle of violence and oppression that is the motherfucking war on drugs. I love this place but Im going to have to leave if this continues. Youre really just giving LE a hard on by making such threats.
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Killing cops sounds awful.
Why don't we make some Super PAC or other lobby group? Get every drug dealer in the world to pitch in anonymously. Then pay off the politicians to pass a few bills that "refocus" LE resources and end the war on drugs (as we know it).
It's totally legal and probably our duty as citizens in a democracy!
Best idea Ive heard yet and wtf is with all the cop killing shit? Rethink that because you will be happy you did. Dont become like the fascists that we all detest so much, rise the fuck above it and realize you are better than them. Killing them solves nothing it just perpetuates the cycle of violence and oppression that is the motherfucking war on drugs. I love this place but Im going to have to leave if this continues. Youre really just giving LE a hard on by making such threats.
Did you read all of the thread? Few people if any advocated killing cops. In fact, overt aggression including assassinations was just one option in the poll, there were others as well. It's clear from the responses on this thread that a lot here have locked onto this idea that this poll is advocating cop killing, and if that is the case, they need to start again at the top, starting with the poll and OP. It really isn't that hard.
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Everyone hates cops until they need one. Same with lawyers and even doctors for some people.
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Honestly who let these assholes in our forum?
BiB, are you the wife of LE who is working against Silk Road? How would you know what types of people they're after unless you were one yourself, or knew someone who was. This crackpot thinking of LEOs being "good people who protect you from the evil-dooers in society" won't work here as that is 1960s thinking. Old people think like that. Are you old?
I don't appreciate you misguiding my frat when I have taken considerable pains, along with others, to debunk police propaganda like this designed to weaken a user's sense of legal rights if and when arrested.
Not sure why you're here as you clearly don't belong. This is for vendor and buyers, not cops and cops' wives. You sound a little older, so I won't even try to reason with you as your reasoning is probably antiquated. I hear Warcraft is all the rage. Check that out. You may leave.
Now, as for SR members, we have gone over this argument many times, destroyed it, and moved on. [edit] and a bunch of others have given you solid advice concerning this question, so trust our judgement, not these idiots here. (thedopestjunkie, does this mean you have never used drugs, lol)
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wut a stupad post. if u think this was put up hare by acident plase think again. stop dreamworld and nonsance and no feed crap threads lik tis.
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wut a stupad post. if u think this was put up hare by acident plase think again. stop dreamworld and nonsance and no feed crap threads lik tis.
I barely translated that, but you obviously did not know the OP. No one in their right mind would call pine a cop, or question the motivation for starting this thread.
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Youre right Razorspyne...just tired of seeing this threads, how should we attack LEO?? Not to mention there is the poll which shows that at least 8% think we should be going after LE, crazy. Other than these posts I understand the community is a lot smarter than that and that is why I come back.
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I can think of one option that could be quite effective.
It would be to steal incriminating or sensitive data from people that work for the DEA (it should be focused on individuals that are a special threat against SR) by hacking computers, emails etc. Most people have some racket going on, porn, drugs, infidelity, corruption, breaking regulations etc etc. When you find the information you make it public and thereby hurt the person, alternatively it can be used to even greater damage to blackmail them. The best that can happen is that they lose their job. This will cause the DEA to lose manpower with know-how and it will be demoralizing for those working there and make the DEA seem like a bunch of criminals and hypocrites.
This should be done without making it obvious who carried out the attack, it will appear as the work of just anonymous hackers. They will also not be able to defend themselves because that would mean actively trying to protect their own workers from the law.
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Another powerful option would be to bribe and recruit disillusioned people working for the LEO for information.
But we should of course mainly focus on being defensive and make as little noise as possible.
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lace their food/drink with lsd or mdma. make them enjoy it by using low doses. or fuggit and throw them into another fucking dimension
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Myself and my family have lost friends to drugs.
Most were good people who started off just having a little 'fun' with the mary jane. Next thing you knew they were popping pills and staying out all night. Causing untold woe and misery to their own kin. Some had started selling a bit here and a bit there to help pay for their own habbit.
Eventually, they all get busted for either personal or convicted for low level dealing. Now with criminal records they cannot get jobs and so the do what they know and get back into drugs.
One person I know even lost her home as she lost a well payed job and could not keep up the mortgage repayments. I almost feel sorry for alerting the local constabulary about her movements and drug habit.
But when you see this misery perpetuate itself you realize that every drug conviction is just another brick in the wall of sanity. The wall that shields good society from the side with lesser values.
STFU you fuck stick. Same old same old using the gateway theory about marijuana.
MILK TO BEER, BEER TO BOURBON, BOURBON TO WEED, WEED TO KILLING 40 PEOPLE IN A SCHOOL
Hey and nice you narked out someone. I can imagine it, you reading your bible while are masturbating to midget porn, looking out your window at the neighbors with your phone in hand ready to become captain self-righteous again.
you dumbshit.
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I'm sure Bishop BiB has has plenty of experience with young lads, don't doubt it in the slightest.
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I have helped many people, from the young lads sitting in their car 'just' smoking a bit of puff to the druggy at a party doing lines in my friends bathroom.
I gave them a chance to redeem themselves but my advice was thrown back in may face along with a load of offensive obscenities.
These people are now on watched lists, they know their time will come!
Once I even smelled the mary jane around the pool table at the back of a pub. They were not laughing when plain clothes officers arrived and gave THEM the 'hustle'.
Seriously, preach your bullshit to someone who cares! If you want to be hero, put on your superman suit and fly far, far away. P.S - Don't hurry back champ.
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It was along time ago but I once caught a family member with some mary jane smoking paraphernalia. I think stoner junkies refer to it as a bong.
I gave him a warning and did not inform the police of what I knew. I gave that son of a bitch the benefit of the doubt when he promised me that he would turn his life around. (he was still young mid 20's).
Anyway, while out walking my dog in the morning down the woods, what did I see?
Well I smelled it before I saw him! I thought that it was just another junkie waiting to pounce on me and mug me.
Oh no! it was that young fellow who I had tried to save, smoking a bloody joint. grrr! The furious anger built up inside of me and I went ape shit.
How could someone be so two faced as to throw back in my face the helping hand that I had offered to him to quit while he was ahead?
I did not even wait for a reply, I just made my anger known, smiled, turned around and walked off. Off to the nearest phone so I could report his wrong doings.
One appointment later at the local police office a statement was made. Though the officer at the station said that they would be unlikely to get a search warrant on just that statement, I could rest easy knowing that I had done the right thing.
What do you know next week sometime he was lifted for a random stop and search on the street! He was found with nearly 2 grams of mary jane for christ sake. This was just the tip of the iceberg though and when they searched his home based on this new evidence along with my statement they found other things. H was found to have more than 1 ounce along with a set of ultra high precision scales and drugs bags.
He was a dealer, the shame of being in a family with criminals was great but the evil little shit got his just deserts for lying to me.
The prison sentence was only 1 month which was suspended for 6 because it was a first offense. I thought that this was weak but was pleased to here when he lost his job, his car and his family.
Pity he did not have a house to lose but he did get thrown out of his current address and wound up living in a bad neighborhood along side his own ilk.
Now I hear that he is jobless and in the gutter shooting heroin. All because he would not quit the weed when I had advised him to.
I gave him a chance but in the end I had to get righteous on his ass. haha!
WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOU HAVE BEEN ALL OVER YOUTUBE GOING ON WITH THIS SAME NONSENSICAL PREJUDICIAL GARBAGE ON PRO-DRUG LEGALIZATION VIDEOS.
WE SUGGEST YOU LEAVE NOW YOU NARC TROLL...
YOU ARE WARNED!
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Live within the law, the law of god and the police and you will be saved.
Mess with me and I have many resources at my finger tips.
I do not hate druggies but instead always try to help them and give them a way out.
But if you do not play ball, Mr Policeman is not very far away.
I would hate (really I would:) ) to see you spend the rest of you life stacking supermarket shelves because of that little cannabis warning that you have on your record.
Remember that even informal warnings and spent convictions will show up on an Enhanced Disclosure CRB check!
Enhanced is what most companies go for these days so there is nowhere for you to hide no matter how small the crime!
I suspect you might be a troll, but on the chance you're not.. You seem to put a lot of trust in the state to tell you what's good for you and to act as some moral father figure. You infact seem couple it with God. This is the same state that orchestrates the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents, locks people in cages for years, executes people as revenge style 'justice'. Jesus would've loved that eh?
You'll probably be one of these guys that loves to talk of their 'land of the free' etc. I think it was Ghandi who said, "Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err." Why should you be so morally righteous as to condemn someone to being locked up because you disagree with their lifestyle?
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I am not a grass, really I'm not!
But I cannot stand by and do nothing in the face of people spreading an dangerous hedonistic ideology.
You may not be a grass, but you are a cape wearing drug vigilante who knows a lot about nothing. You sir, are a wanker!!
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OMG this guys just reeks of nonsense and we should all stay clear of the trailer trash
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If you are a close friend or family, then you would get one and I mean ONE chance to change before I must inform the relevant authorities and have you screwed over.
My god is on my side.
WTF is this my god shit, Do you worship Hastur? Are Nodins after you? I dont see what your problem is with others making private choices.
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I hate peados as much as the next but if they are drug free then at least they make up for the harm that they caused to only one or two kids by being straight citizens!
YOU ARE A FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT. I TRULY HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL. HOW DARE YOU MINIMIZE THE DISGUSTING ATROCITIES COMMITED BY CHILD RAPISTS...HOW DARE YOU COMPARE IT TO A DRUG USER.
If you were in front of me...you would have no dick and no balls you pathetic motherfucker. I would have sliced them off so you could experience just a fraction of the anguish of an innocent child whose sufferings you minimize. No shit, you would be bleeding to death from your castrated stump you lowlife scum.
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I am not a grass, really I'm not!
But I cannot stand by and do nothing in the face of people spreading an dangerous hedonistic ideology.
People like YOU? Maybe you should do yourself a favor and blow your head off asshole. You are the lowest life form on these forums.
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Not sure how much impact it would have even if every single SR user did it. But one way to attack would be to slow the mail service by every time you have legitimate mail to send (not containing any drugs) make sure that mail has as many red flags as possible. Theoretically if there was enough packages backed up for the postal inspector to look at it could make that portion of the LE system non functional.
I have always wondered if there was an easily obtainable chemical that reacts when exposed to oxygen or light by changing color. Then one could send packages to oneself or others and know if your mail was being inspected by looking for sings of the reaction.
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id take a steak knife and slowly push it into the pigs stomach. Making him sequel like a fat slob. I would spit into his mouth while I felt his warm blood drip down my hand. I would then begin to slowly twist the knife counter clock wise, and close my eyes, enjoying the wet sounds of his stomach being cut open. I would drag my hand left and cut a nice long incision so that his intestines could begin to fall out. As i heard the gushing sound of them falling on the floor, I would begin to ejaculate.
I would quickly pull down my pants and shake my dick so that the cum could be flung all over the pigs shivering body. When I was done, I would pull the knife out and wipe my dick off on the pigs lips. If he was still alive I would plunge the knife in him again, this time in his neck. Cutting it open and listening to the sounds of it gurgle and bubble while my dick goes soft. When it was done and the pig was dead, I would kneel at his head and gently lower my balls in and out of his twitching lips. Making sure to let my ball slime get all over his face.
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As great as this online market is, the drugs aren't the problem. It's the money.
If you look at SR's sales, you can see all these dollars that Obama cannot funnel into Obamacare, or some other frivilous spending program. This is serious money that the Govt cannot control. Samething with BTC, if you "invest" in BTC at 13.3 and the price jumps to 13.7, you profit $0.40/bitcoin you hold, TAX FREE.
The LEO's major problem here maybe the drugs, but the system's problem is that this is an unregulated economy, and they HATE not having their fingers in the pot.
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Back on topic:
The best way to "deal" with the LEO is to avoid them. They're representatives of a larger problem. Our best offensive strategy is to follow Sun Tzu's sound wisdom:
Avoid the enemy for the time being when he is stronger.
When we are in a position of power to strike at the LEO forces and leaders, be it through political means or otherwise, we shall. However, our best policy right now should be to redouble our tradecraft and remain undetected.
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I hate peados as much as the next but if they are drug free then at least they make up for the harm that they caused to only one or two kids by being straight citizens!
YOU ARE A FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT. I TRULY HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL. HOW DARE YOU MINIMIZE THE DISGUSTING ATROCITIES COMMITED BY CHILD RAPISTS...HOW DARE YOU COMPARE IT TO A DRUG USER.
If you were in front of me...you would have no dick and no balls you pathetic motherfucker. I would have sliced them off so you could experience just a fraction of the anguish of an innocent child whose sufferings you minimize. No shit, you would be bleeding to death from your castrated stump you lowlife scum.
I echo everyone of the sentiments you have expressed here kitkat82. This has brought to my attention just how sick and depraved you are BiB. Your time will come. To even begin to compare the brutal rape of children, their innocence forever lost due to the actions of this low life bastard. Any child who has endured such pain will be both physically and emotionally scarred for life and one could safely say that they will never be the same again, their childhood effectively ripped away by a creature. God, my blood boils when this pathetic excuse for a human being is allowed to live amongst us knowing full well he has destroyed the life of an innocent child. Sorry, I was being carried away in the emotion of an adult hurting a child. BiB, I truly hope you suffer in your life and fall victim to an act of violence which leaves you permanently scarred for life. Only then will you have an inkling towards the level of devastation you were responsible for.To compare a Pedophile to a person who works hard, pays his taxes and has never stolen a thing from anybody or hurt someone throughout his life is just ludicrous!! Pedophiles and cunts like yourself who protect them, will eventually feel the force of an unprecedented all out attack, which will leave you in pain you have never before experienced and will never forget! BiB, forever tainted as a protector of Pedophiles! One sick bastard.
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I hate peados as much as the next but if they are drug free then at least they make up for the harm that they caused to only one or two kids by being straight citizens!
YOU ARE A FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT. I TRULY HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL. HOW DARE YOU MINIMIZE THE DISGUSTING ATROCITIES COMMITED BY CHILD RAPISTS...HOW DARE YOU COMPARE IT TO A DRUG USER.
If you were in front of me...you would have no dick and no balls you pathetic motherfucker. I would have sliced them off so you could experience just a fraction of the anguish of an innocent child whose sufferings you minimize. No shit, you would be bleeding to death from your castrated stump you lowlife scum.
+ 1 to most this page, least the ones I could (sorry kit82, Wadozo :-\ darn 72 hour rule). Under normal circumstances I would say this is trolling, but the comment made by BiB was completely unacceptable. I think a mod has hidden BiB as I can no longer see them. Just as well. I wonder if they'd change their opinion on child rape/abuse if he/she was subjected to it. Don't ever come back.
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I think we should take off... and nuke the site from orbit!
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Youre right Razorspyne...just tired of seeing this threads, how should we attack LEO?? Not to mention there is the poll which shows that at least 8% think we should be going after LE, crazy. Other than these posts I understand the community is a lot smarter than that and that is why I come back.
This has been the first I've seen. There's always going to be threads you don't like though. Need not be a biggy. +1 because I do what feel like and I feel like what I do.
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We have no moral reason to not assassinate LE. We have no obligation to allow ourselves to be subjected to the unjust rules of a brainwashed society. It is quite apparent that those who are in favor of drug laws are either brainwashed or slave traders. It is okay for us to have pity on those who are brainwashed, but it is wrong for us to suffer for their mental weakness. Slave traders deserve to die. Look at the people who are most in favor of continuing the war on drugs, police, 'addiction specialists', people in the prison industry, people at drug testing companies, etc. Of course they give as many reasons as they can for why they would like to continue the war on drugs, always they say that their goal is to help people. But it only takes the smallest amount of common sense to see that their goal is to make a profit. Their goal is to make a profit off of our unjust imprisonment and this is nothing other than slavery. These people do not deserve to live and if killing them is in any way beneficial to us then they should be killed. Maybe people just need to see that they have a choice, they can let us be free or they can live in a war zone. They already live in a war zone but the only people who are feeling that in a significant way are us. The people who are dying preventable deaths from impure drugs and drugs like PMA marketed as MDMA? They are casualties to the chemical warfare of the DEA. The people dying in prisons for drug charges are nothing other than slaves, people whose lives have been sacrificed so some fucking DEA agent can have a job. The people getting HIV from dirty needles are the victims of biological warfare. It is unconventional warfare against us and slavery against us, only extreme pacifists could wish anything on them other than the same exact death and misery they dish out onto us. Fuck them, as long as they want to kill us let them be killed.
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This thread delivers.
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Help me understand, with discussions like these, your goal is what? To make the LEO wish to shut us down more? Da fuq is wrong with you people?
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Lol the thread delivers fuck all KMF is about as likely to go and cap a cop as he is to stop talking all his bullshit and get up off his lazyboy computer chair and act on his conviction.
"But no he can't do that because he's part of the underground maaaaan, overt action would achieve nothing maaaan so we have to be cloak and dagger yano" = Doesn't have the balls.
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Lol the thread delivers fuck all KMF is about as likely to go and cap a cop as he is to stop talking all his bullshit and get up off his lazyboy computer chair and act on his conviction.
"But no he can't do that because he's part of the underground maaaaan, overt action would achieve nothing maaaan so we have to be cloak and dagger yano" = Doesn't have the balls.
I would totally roll up on some DEA agents shooting but I don't have a bomb proof armored hummer with its own supply of oxygen to protect me from them like you do.
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Lol the thread delivers fuck all KMF is about as likely to go and cap a cop as he is to stop talking all his bullshit and get up off his lazyboy computer chair and act on his conviction.
"But no he can't do that because he's part of the underground maaaaan, overt action would achieve nothing maaaan so we have to be cloak and dagger yano" = Doesn't have the balls.
I would totally roll up on some DEA agents shooting but I don't have a bomb proof armored hummer with its own supply of oxygen to protect me from them like you do.
Nah seriously do it KMF, you're om America, plenty of guns. Go cap a few pigs and take some shots. Yano coz, that's what you believe in and all why lack the courage of your convictions. Orrrrr is it that you don't have the courage of your convictions and that you are just a Sofa-Anarchist? Come on boy, step up for the cause if you believe in it that much.
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just blow some devil's breath i their face and let them attack each other ehhh ;D
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God no one's suggesting capping cops (apart from kmfkewm who's a big boy (probably) and can do what he wants (probably) (btw, kmfkewm, someone thinks you're pine! Where the phuc would they get that idea from roflmfao???? ) ), holy shit people, we just wanted ideas on what YOU think would be the best idea to circumvent LEO. Holy shit! Who forgot to read the OP? I mean, holy shit calm the phuc down already. Just a think-tank question. Jeeeze. Shit. Piece out.
(Anyway, most people said first option. Shit..... Have a bloody Snoop Dog brownie. Holy crap people.)
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Well I guess the first step would be identification of targets. Who are some big name people supporting the prohibitionist agenda? Karen Tandy comes to mind, 'Karen Tandy is senior vice president of Public Affairs and Communications for Motorola' is her current position but she used to be head of the DEA. I wonder how good her security is? I mean does her limo take a predictable route on her way from her mansion to her place of business? How hard is it to make a mini UAV rigged up with some plastic explosives?
That would be one strategy anyway. Assuming that she (or any other person in her position) has adequate security, you can always move down the list until you find one that doesn't. The best thing about prohibitionists is that they tend to work for these really centralized agencies with headquarter buildings and such. I mean , wiping out an entire building is certainly possible although it does carry the potential for a lot of collateral damage and that is something more fit of our enemies to accept than us.
If enough small targets are identified a simultaneous attack against all of them would be of equal if not greater significance than an attack on a more highly protected bigger name target. For example, once identified a thousand law enforcement mailing addresses, dropping enough bomb packs to hit all of them is in the realm of possibility. Still brings up the issue of possible collateral damage though, we really shouldn't let anymore innocent people die from the war on drugs than already have. Wouldn't want DEA agents daughter to open up a bomb packet meant for her cockroach father, not that her cockroach father cares about the daughters who are dying from impure drugs.
The best bet would of course be to maintain anonymity , you can have all the guns in the world and you can't match an army , but you can make a thousand bomb packets and anonymously mail them out in one go. Thinking in terms of traditional symmetric warfare would mean that we don't even do anything because we will be completely annihilated, but reality has shown that combatants who fully utilize certain strategies can successfully oppose much larger attackers. I guess one mans terrorist is the next mans freedom fighter would never be a more applicable statement.
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Lol @ assassinations. You guys are trolling.
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Well I guess the first step would be identification of targets. Who are some big name people supporting the prohibitionist agenda? Karen Tandy comes to mind, 'Karen Tandy is senior vice president of Public Affairs and Communications for Motorola' is her current position but she used to be head of the DEA. I wonder how good her security is? I mean does her limo take a predictable route on her way from her mansion to her place of business? How hard is it to make a mini UAV rigged up with some plastic explosives?
That would be one strategy anyway. Assuming that she (or any other person in her position) has adequate security, you can always move down the list until you find one that doesn't. The best thing about prohibitionists is that they tend to work for these really centralized agencies with headquarter buildings and such. I mean , wiping out an entire building is certainly possible although it does carry the potential for a lot of collateral damage and that is something more fit of our enemies to accept than us.
If enough small targets are identified a simultaneous attack against all of them would be of equal if not greater significance than an attack on a more highly protected bigger name target. For example, once identified a thousand law enforcement mailing addresses, dropping enough bomb packs to hit all of them is in the realm of possibility. Still brings up the issue of possible collateral damage though, we really shouldn't let anymore innocent people die from the war on drugs than already have. Wouldn't want DEA agents daughter to open up a bomb packet meant for her cockroach father, not that her cockroach father cares about the daughters who are dying from impure drugs.
The best bet would of course be to maintain anonymity , you can have all the guns in the world and you can't match an army , but you can make a thousand bomb packets and anonymously mail them out in one go. Thinking in terms of traditional symmetric warfare would mean that we don't even do anything because we will be completely annihilated, but reality has shown that combatants who fully utilize certain strategies can successfully oppose much larger attackers. I guess one mans terrorist is the next mans freedom fighter would never be a more applicable statement.
Go do it then you big pussy. You don't have the stones. :)
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It was along time ago but I once caught a family member with some mary jane smoking paraphernalia. I think stoner junkies refer to it as a bong.
I gave him a warning and did not inform the police of what I knew. I gave that son of a bitch the benefit of the doubt when he promised me that he would turn his life around. (he was still young mid 20's).
Anyway, while out walking my dog in the morning down the woods, what did I see?
Well I smelled it before I saw him! I thought that it was just another junkie waiting to pounce on me and mug me.
Oh no! it was that young fellow who I had tried to save, smoking a bloody joint. grrr! The furious anger built up inside of me and I went ape shit.
How could someone be so two faced as to throw back in my face the helping hand that I had offered to him to quit while he was ahead?
I did not even wait for a reply, I just made my anger known, smiled, turned around and walked off. Off to the nearest phone so I could report his wrong doings.
One appointment later at the local police office a statement was made. Though the officer at the station said that they would be unlikely to get a search warrant on just that statement, I could rest easy knowing that I had done the right thing.
What do you know next week sometime he was lifted for a random stop and search on the street! He was found with nearly 2 grams of mary jane for christ sake. This was just the tip of the iceberg though and when they searched his home based on this new evidence along with my statement they found other things. H was found to have more than 1 ounce along with a set of ultra high precision scales and drugs bags.
He was a dealer, the shame of being in a family with criminals was great but the evil little shit got his just deserts for lying to me.
The prison sentence was only 1 month which was suspended for 6 because it was a first offense. I thought that this was weak but was pleased to here when he lost his job, his car and his family.
Pity he did not have a house to lose but he did get thrown out of his current address and wound up living in a bad neighborhood along side his own ilk.
Now I hear that he is jobless and in the gutter shooting heroin. All because he would not quit the weed when I had advised him to.
I gave him a chance but in the end I had to get righteous on his ass. haha!
WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOU HAVE BEEN ALL OVER YOUTUBE GOING ON WITH THIS SAME NONSENSICAL PREJUDICIAL GARBAGE ON PRO-DRUG LEGALIZATION VIDEOS.
WE SUGGEST YOU LEAVE NOW YOU NARC TROLL...
YOU ARE WARNED!
Do you use this account any more GuybrushThreepwood? I haven't logged in for ages. BiB apparently goes by the name Cindybin or in same cases cindybin2000. She has a habit of gatecrashing drug forums and trolling. It was inevitable she make an appearance on SR forums at some stage.
As for Limetless, well, I swear you sound like a cop sometimes. ~OINK!~
As for kfm, blowing up someone is really subtle. Good effort though.
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And I guess my work here is doeen. cya.
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As for Limetless, well, I swear you sound like a cop sometimes. ~OINK!~
Yes of course....because yano, selling drugs all round the world is just what police do for a living..... ::)
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As great as this online market is, the drugs aren't the problem. It's the money.
If you look at SR's sales, you can see all these dollars that Obama cannot funnel into Obamacare, or some other frivilous spending program. This is serious money that the Govt cannot control. Samething with BTC, if you "invest" in BTC at 13.3 and the price jumps to 13.7, you profit $0.40/bitcoin you hold, TAX FREE.
The LEO's major problem here maybe the drugs, but the system's problem is that this is an unregulated economy, and they HATE not having their fingers in the pot.
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Back on topic:
The best way to "deal" with the LEO is to avoid them. They're representatives of a larger problem. Our best offensive strategy is to follow Sun Tzu's sound wisdom:
Avoid the enemy for the time being when he is stronger.
When we are in a position of power to strike at the LEO forces and leaders, be it through political means or otherwise, we shall. However, our best policy right now should be to redouble our tradecraft and remain undetected.
This sounds good. They are also fighting pretty damn hard against us. They wouldn't waste their time if we weren't making a difference.
IDK, i am still young and learning but the more I learn, the more impossible it seems to win by peaceful numbers. I hate being in states of indecision.
........the community is a lot smarter than that and that is why I come back.
I do enjoy the discussions in this community; seem to be a fewer percentage of complete idiots/obnoxious asshats than a lot of forums. We should watch what we say, though. Don't want to give the media too much fuel for the fire from popping off at the mouth.
Limitless makes me smile.
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As great as this online market is, the drugs aren't the problem. It's the money.
If you look at SR's sales, you can see all these dollars that Obama cannot funnel into Obamacare, or some other frivilous spending program. This is serious money that the Govt cannot control. Samething with BTC, if you "invest" in BTC at 13.3 and the price jumps to 13.7, you profit $0.40/bitcoin you hold, TAX FREE.
The LEO's major problem here maybe the drugs, but the system's problem is that this is an unregulated economy, and they HATE not having their fingers in the pot.
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Back on topic:
The best way to "deal" with the LEO is to avoid them. They're representatives of a larger problem. Our best offensive strategy is to follow Sun Tzu's sound wisdom:
Avoid the enemy for the time being when he is stronger.
When we are in a position of power to strike at the LEO forces and leaders, be it through political means or otherwise, we shall. However, our best policy right now should be to redouble our tradecraft and remain undetected.
I'll put a tick on your assignment. I said something similar but you added figures, so a better post. Good man.
I do enjoy the discussions in this community; seem to be a fewer percentage of complete idiots/obnoxious asshats than a lot of forums. We should watch what we say, though. Don't want to give the media too much fuel for the fire from popping off at the mouth.
Lol Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger, I split a stitch with your last post even though it wasn't a comedy thing. I imagine why you were "zheed" (peed?), that bit about coming to your house and abusing you and then coming back next week to say no hard feelin's, was a bit of mistaken identity. I pissed myself thinking how that must have sounded. Ahhhh...... good times. Another + 1 from the Karma Prostitute.
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Lol Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger, I split a stitch with your last post even though it wasn't a comedy thing. I imagine why you were "zheed" (peed?), that bit about coming to your house and abusing you and then coming back next week to say no hard feelin's, was a bit of mistaken identity. I pissed myself thinking how that must have sounded. Ahhhh...... good times. Another + 1 from the Karma Prostitute.
Glad to be of service, and thanks for dat. :)
Tools to fight LE would include educating people. The broadcasting of police abuse is one of the most important tools we have. However, where one can, the more information regarding identity the better. Hacking. Why chase snakes in the grass when with a bit of a concerted effort, LE moneypots are out there unmolested? Crooked cops personal bank accounts should really be a priority, especially as a bank investigation will uncover some unexplainable inconsistencies.
This is an excellent point. Teach a man to fish kind of thing. I recently got an idea to mail out informative/empathetic dvd's to random people in teh mail(being sure to protect myself, of course). I was wondering how much effect this would have. Dvd's can be cheap to make and wouldn't cost much to ship, so you could get a lot out. Take the vids, edit them to suit our shortened attention spans but still provide useful info and hopefully turn some hearts against the drug war.
A really well put together commercial about the drug war with legitimate statistics and sources to back them up about the number of deaths and imprisonments that don't make the news would be great (could even do cop deaths vs. civilian deaths), but don't know if the fat cats would let them air even if we could raise the money to buy a time slot.
Statistics about taxes spent on the drug war vs education etc. could also be really influential to public opinion.
Logical facts about medicine needed would strike home with a lot of people, too.
Use their "what about the children!?" attitude against them.
It would have to be really good though, I'm sure there is someone around that's perfect for the job.
*ehem*
To those who must bust a cap in dat ass, please take your business/planning to other forums so DPR/SR aren't tied to this. We should keep this place peaceful(well, as peaceful as possible with the occasional mood swings members go through lol).
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Wow, you read the whole 8 pages Mr Fluffles S. Hmm, if DVDs mail-dropped then it would unsolicited, which unfortunately people (like me) immediately correlate that to previous instances; like spam or Jehovah's Witnesses. But..... internet would not only be cheaper but get around the door-to-door salesman thing that people have with free information. I like the idea of WikiLeaks without the crap on the front that makes it hard to sift through. (I have visited the site twice but never read anything.) Think of how you've been changed by a hard-hitting documentary. For the kind of money required it would be better served convincing established people in media than doing it yourself. (Talk back radio programs always generate a good deal of free publicity; some can really roll with it if they're opinionated on an issue.)
Don't want to dampen your spirits though. A single DVD could convince somebody to flesh it out and run with it. The great thing about activists is that they're prepared to do something as a project, rather than for money. The bad thing about activists is that they're prepared to do something as a project, rather than for money. They can help with some things but certainly not bankrolling. The idea of having to personally raise capital in order to get a message out is unnecessary. And don't forget that if it's quite bad, a mere 30 second clip of police brutality sometimes has more effect than an hour-long session with Dr Sigmund Freud. That's how we know of the continuing racist brutality against blacks from the LAPD. Dumb fucks don't seem to get the message that if you go around targeting and beating ^ black people on tape, it gets broadcast in 180 languages around the world and never dies down. (Or white people.)
If this is about an unbiased, "both-sides" story/doco on drugs, hmm.... when have you known broadcasting agencies to be impartial? So yes, I agree it would next to impossible to air this on a professional commercial platform.
Statistics about taxes spent on the drug war vs education etc. could also be really influential to public opinion.
Logical facts about medicine needed would strike home with a lot of people, too.
Use their "what about the children!?" attitude against them.
It would have to be really good though, I'm sure there is someone around that's perfect for the job.
Like Alex Jones? TBO, I think the drug thing stands a better chance of succeeding based on the fact that med stories are already done. Drugs not as bad as cops say? Cops selling and using drugs themselves? That information isn't widely disseminated yet, so it would classify as news, which could be blown sideways in a short amount of time.
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To those who must bust a cap in dat ass, please take your business/planning to other forums so DPR/SR aren't tied to this. We should keep this place peaceful(well, as peaceful as possible with the occasional mood swings members go through lol).
Awww...... I think it sounds quite cute when someone says they're looking for a cop to put a bullet in lol ::) There have been a couple of posts on this, including a more cold, calculating post about how we might achieve taking out the DEA head. And he's right, it could be done. Guess the question is not if it could but if it should. I certainly don't have sympathy over a couple of pigs shot here or there when they do the exact same thing to society. Society keep forgetting that LE are criminals too, they just get away with it. Would I myself shoot a cop? Hmm, well I guess if he annoyed me while watching Simpsons...... nah I don't know unless I was actually put in that position. But rest assured I don't like the motherfuckers. I don't like bullies. I don't like hypocrites. I like girls and ice-cream and Simpsons.
Piece out. Drive safely.
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We could pwn them. However the military would pwn us.
Actually in the U.S we have something called the Posse Comitatus Act. Look it up.
That was repealed by Barry Soetoro friend... sorry to say military can be used on 'civilians' now.
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