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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: echo_ on January 22, 2012, 03:06 am
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Anybody bought from this guy? I'm gettin a cop feel, and I don't like it. Just a feel, look at his feedback.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/80537/
It's only a matter of time until they infiltrate, and they've probably already been here for a couple months.
Also, are there any types of threads around here that discuss actual interactions had with LE due to transactions via SR?
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hmm i hope not
i was thinking about buying that UZI he has up :(
the only weird think i see is that he has a ak-47 with custom modifications in the drugs category
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Guns Bad! :(
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Police officers put their life on the line every day. Not only do they have to watch out for hazards such as getting getting an overdose, but they also have to watch out for people who want to hurt other people. More cops on here means more safety for everyone.
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And, I really don't mean to put this guy's business down if he's a legit seller, getting good product out there. I just had a bad feeling about this guy's page and the way a lot of his feedbacks were written, and wanted to see what other people thought of it.
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I think this looks fucked up. All of the feedbacks are clearly done by one person. Even if the vendor was legit, people like this are what is going to shut us down. Silk Road was NOT intended for this.
Peace
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Police officers put their life on the line every day. Not only do they have to watch out for hazards such as getting getting an overdose, but they also have to watch out for people who want to hurt other people. More cops on here means more safety for everyone.
hahahahahahahahaha awesome
Also yeah i wouldn't buy anything from this DBush character
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I think this looks fucked up. All of the feedbacks are clearly done by one person. Even if the vendor was legit, people like this are what is going to shut us down. Silk Road was NOT intended for this.
Peace
Lol many drugs being sold on here are way more dangerous as the guns he lists
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Police officers put their life on the line every day. Not only do they have to watch out for hazards such as getting getting an overdose, but they also have to watch out for people who want to hurt other people. More cops on here means more safety for everyone.
Yes, you shouldn't fear the police. Unless you're one of those dirty satanic drug users. Then they'll rape you with batons.
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Lol many drugs being sold on here are way more dangerous as the guns he lists
Actually not— it's people and how they make choices that are dangerous— not inanimate matter. ;)
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Police officers put their life on the line every day. Not only do they have to watch out for hazards such as getting getting an overdose, but they also have to watch out for people who want to hurt other people. More cops on here means more safety for everyone.
Yes, you shouldn't fear the police. Unless you're one of those dirty satanic drug users. Then they'll rape you with batons.
The police does that to protect society and the users against themselves. The police is there to help you, they're my friends.
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The police is there to help you, they're my friends.
Reported! :P
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How could they have had guns sent to Europe successfuly if there isn't any feedback about guns on their SR profile and there aren't any other sites on here selling guns US=>Europe. Obvious scam trick
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Cops (and more) have probably been here since day 1. Just be smart with who you talk to and only work with those you trust. Use all the safety guidelines noted throughout the forum and on SR, you'll be fine.
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I agree with exodus. You always have to expect scammers/cops on here, but that is why we have all the safety guidelines from escrow to pgp. As long as your safe and only deal with trusted members you will be fine
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I think this looks fucked up. All of the feedbacks are clearly done by one person. Even if the vendor was legit, people like this are what is going to shut us down. Silk Road was NOT intended for this.
Peace
Just because you dont support the people owning guns doesnt give you the right to make up lies about our vendor account. Saying the feedbacks were written by 1 person just because you dont like our products is wrong. We have sold numerous types of products on Silk Road and each of our customers was happy.
We have access to guns and until now we have not offered guns on Silk Road. But many people expressed interest in guns so we are offering them. It amazes me that people who have no understanding of how police operate consider themselves experts on police. Why would the police offer guns for sale WorldWide? If an American police agency was involved then they would only be able to arrest Americans. However, none of these guns are illegal and NONE are illegal for US citizens to possess. I dont even know what the charge would be but there is no way that if the package was received by someone in the US that does have the right to own firearms that they would be charge with a felony and its highly doubtful they would be charged with anything at all. In fact the person doing the wrong doing is the shipper not the receiver as long as the police cannot prove the receiver ordered the gun.
Finally, our prices are considerably higher than gun dealers in the US charge. Therefore most American citizens would be smart to purchase guns from another source aside from us. Our listings are primarily aimed at users that live in countries outside of the United States. With that being said I want someone to explain how the police would conduct an operation selling guns from America, to any country in the world?
Am I to believe that every police agency in the world has collaborated in an attempt to catch buyers of small arms using Silk Road? Not to mention the fact that police would not be able to prove who the buyer actually was. So police from multiple countries would have to work together to attempt to take action against citizens that are purchasing one gun online from a website. The police wont be able to verify who sold the gun or if the receiver actually was involved in the purchase.
I appreciate people being cautious. In fact I encourage it. But no one has the right to make up rumors or to lie about us. In fact unless there is some kind of proof that shows we did something wrong no one should be downing us. If you dont want people to buy our products than you should tell everyone you know not to buy our products. But please stop lying, like the guy that said our feedback was written by 1 person. Please stop making conclusions about us unless there is evidence to backup your theory.
We stand by our products and we challenge anyone that thinks we are doing anything wrong or deceptive to place an order with us. Then judge us based on our actions and our products.
If you are judging us for any other reason than the quality of our products, our service, or any other issues you would like to speak about concerning an experience that you had with us after you purchased one of our products.
Its not illeagal to purchase used guns is it? i have been wanting a piece for personal protection and was looking at what you were selling, i also did some research, it looks like within the usa you can buy a gun from a friend or whoever without any issues.. obviously it would be a good idea to get it checked out to make sure the serial number isnt tied to any crimes before taking ownership.. but i dont see any issues with you selling weapons.. after all its the people that make guns unsafe, not the gun itself. Guns are one of those touchy products that are going to make some people angry that you are selling them, while others are happy to get them with BTC.. like me, otherwise i would never even think about it... try not to get discourged when some feel so strongly about firearms, and there are people that will be paranoid on here at every vendor that seems "off" good customer service, and timely shipments will make or break you.
Good luck to you! and maybe i will hit u up soon for that piece
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Anyone besides me think its hilarious theres a LE advocate on the forum, in this thread? LOL
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I like this DBush guy, and feel like I would be willing to buy a gun from him.
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I think this looks fucked up. All of the feedbacks are clearly done by one person. Even if the vendor was legit, people like this are what is going to shut us down. Silk Road was NOT intended for this.
Peace
Just because you dont support the people owning guns doesnt give you the right to make up lies about our vendor account. Saying the feedbacks were written by 1 person just because you dont like our products is wrong. We have sold numerous types of products on Silk Road and each of our customers was happy.
We have access to guns and until now we have not offered guns on Silk Road. But many people expressed interest in guns so we are offering them. It amazes me that people who have no understanding of how police operate consider themselves experts on police. Why would the police offer guns for sale WorldWide? If an American police agency was involved then they would only be able to arrest Americans. However, none of these guns are illegal and NONE are illegal for US citizens to possess. I dont even know what the charge would be but there is no way that if the package was received by someone in the US that does have the right to own firearms that they would be charge with a felony and its highly doubtful they would be charged with anything at all. In fact the person doing the wrong doing is the shipper not the receiver as long as the police cannot prove the receiver ordered the gun.
Finally, our prices are considerably higher than gun dealers in the US charge. Therefore most American citizens would be smart to purchase guns from another source aside from us. Our listings are primarily aimed at users that live in countries outside of the United States. With that being said I want someone to explain how the police would conduct an operation selling guns from America, to any country in the world?
Am I to believe that every police agency in the world has collaborated in an attempt to catch buyers of small arms using Silk Road? Not to mention the fact that police would not be able to prove who the buyer actually was. So police from multiple countries would have to work together to attempt to take action against citizens that are purchasing one gun online from a website. The police wont be able to verify who sold the gun or if the receiver actually was involved in the purchase.
I appreciate people being cautious. In fact I encourage it. But no one has the right to make up rumors or to lie about us. In fact unless there is some kind of proof that shows we did something wrong no one should be downing us. If you dont want people to buy our products than you should tell everyone you know not to buy our products. But please stop lying, like the guy that said our feedback was written by 1 person. Please stop making conclusions about us unless there is evidence to backup your theory.
We stand by our products and we challenge anyone that thinks we are doing anything wrong or deceptive to place an order with us. Then judge us based on our actions and our products.
If you are judging us for any other reason than the quality of our products, our service, or any other issues you would like to speak about concerning an experience that you had with us after you purchased one of our products.
Its not illeagal to purchase used guns is it? i have been wanting a piece for personal protection and was looking at what you were selling, i also did some research, it looks like within the usa you can buy a gun from a friend or whoever without any issues.. obviously it would be a good idea to get it checked out to make sure the serial number isnt tied to any crimes before taking ownership.. but i dont see any issues with you selling weapons.. after all its the people that make guns unsafe, not the gun itself. Guns are one of those touchy products that are going to make some people angry that you are selling them, while others are happy to get them with BTC.. like me, otherwise i would never even think about it... try not to get discourged when some feel so strongly about firearms, and there are people that will be paranoid on here at every vendor that seems "off" good customer service, and timely shipments will make or break you.
Good luck to you! and maybe i will hit u up soon for that piece
Yes it is very illegal to buy guns illegally...your not transferring them the correct way.YOUR BUYING off THEM Anonymously. This is a mandatory 5 years in prison in all most every state, including texas. ITS A HUGEEE FELONY. Guns on SR draw so much unwanted attention...So why does the administrator keep them on SR still??? Hmmm, i think you can answer that for yourself.
Are you jokin? Your shady as hell, or very young and naive.
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Yes it is very illegal to buy guns illegally...your not transferring them the correct way.YOUR BUYING off THEM Anonymously. This is a mandatory 5 years in prison in all most every state, including texas. ITS A HUGEEE FELONY. Guns on SR draw so much unwanted attention...So why does the administrator keep them on SR still??? Hmmm, i think you can answer that for yourself.
Are you jokin? Your shady as hell, or very young and naive.
People on this site clearly do not understand what the site is about. The site is about free trade, period. The "administrator" has no place in saying what you are or are now "allowed" to do as a human being.
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Yes it is very illegal to buy guns illegally...your not transferring them the correct way.YOUR BUYING off THEM Anonymously. This is a mandatory 5 years in prison in all most every state, including texas. ITS A HUGEEE FELONY. Guns on SR draw so much unwanted attention...So why does the administrator keep them on SR still??? Hmmm, i think you can answer that for yourself.
Are you jokin? Your shady as hell, or very young and naive.
People on this site clearly do not understand what the site is about. The site is about free trade, period. The "administrator" has no place in saying what you are or are now "allowed" to do as a human being.
Your an idiot dont tell me I dont understand this site kid. The administrators arnt here to liberate the people, they are running a business and its a bad business decision to allow the illegal sales of firearms because the owners of SR wont last 25% as long as they would if they didnt have guns.
I may be wrong but you are certainly wrong.
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Its not illeagal to purchase used guns is it?
Well, no.
However buying a gun out of state without an FFL transfer IS ILLEGAL.
In fact anytime a gun is not transferred directly to an individual it must go through an FFL holder.
BTW, his "Uzi" is a closed bolt semi-auto version
It is NOT full-auto
He did however have a Mac-11/9 that is supposedly full-auto.
I also get the LE vibe from him.
Does anyone have any good experience with this guy?
He claimed in a personal message that civilians have no need of full-auto weapons, yet claims to be selling one in one of his listings.
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we were all worried about cops, but journalists have deal a much deeper blow.
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Heres the Gawker story for whoever wants it:http://gawker.com/5805928/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imaginable, Guns Suck! People with guns suck more! drugs good! guns bad! lesson over.............Peace.............Long live SR :(
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I wouldn't buy a gun through mail. Had a friend who had to spend time in jail after buying even toy pellet gun online. They would track on the spied mail very closely before ambushing. Scary shit.
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They'd go as far as dressing as civilians and knocking on your doors.
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More likely Mossad than a cop. He wrote how he would keep the money from people buying arms for anti-America or anti-Israel reasons and give the money to Israeli charities in the Gawker article.
http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace
Dbush said he tries not to sell guns to people who want to kill civilians or commit crimes. But most importantly, he won't sell to people who are anti-American or anti-Israel. "I would try to keep their money if I found out this was the case. Maybe send it 2 the US Israeli lobby 2 help gain more support for Israel," he wrote.
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I love guns they are a total blast - the bigger the better - they make me wet.
That being said I would NEVER buy a gun off this site - EVER!!
Also I think the road would be around a lot longer without them being for sale on here.
All that idealism is great until u wake up one morning and your favorite website is gone forever.
The reason I like this place is because of all of the smarter than normal people on here.
99% of u guys are a complete dream to deal with - even the younger kids that place orders are pretty cool.
All of the hoops that need to be jumped through just to get here and do anything. Amazing.
Really a ton of smarter than average people here. It's so refreshing.
This guy: I vote COP!!! U sir ( DBush ) are either one of the most ignorant and or incompetent morons vending here
or you are a: lying, shady, shifty, ass-wipe of a back stabbing PIG. There is no way in hell that a complete boob such as yourself would even last one month, out in the world, dealing in weapons in real life. You would already be in the clink.
You lie about what is legal and your logic has tones of entrapment written all over it.
(Why would the police offer guns for sale WorldWide?) rofl
You clowns would love to have the home address of the top overseas vendors. Don't worry I give all u vendors way more credit than to so something like that - but that is just how a stupid lazy cop would think!!!!!
Why would the assholes in the justice sell weapons to the mexican drug cartels?
Your all morons that think the laws are for everyone else but u.
In your next sentence u state that these are legal to own by any us citizen which is partially true.
Shipping or receiving a firearm through the us mail is a felony - U lie
A citizen can ship and receive only through United Parcel Service and only to a FFL for repair or modification.
To purchase any weapon through mail of any kind without being a federally licensed dealer is a federal felony
on both ends of the transaction.
While you are able to buy a gun from a friend - the way u r doing this shit is skirting all kinds of batf and state laws.
Background checks etc etc etc
You also state:
(Not to mention the fact that police would not be able to prove who the buyer actually was.)
YOU ARE THE FUCKING POLICE!! I believe that anyone that orders from you has just given a cop his home addy.
Fucking snake bite cop.
Maybe I'm wrong. I doubt it but just maybe.
If I am I would still never order from such a stupid incompetent boob like this.
Just asking for trouble.
He is either a lying snake bite cop or a complete moron that only a foolish person would do business with.
Take your pick.
All my love COP;
<3<3<3
Christy
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Honestly, that was a really fuckin weird post.
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http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace way to go
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Great...say goodbye to our community
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I love guns they are a total blast - the bigger the better - they make me wet.
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0.o LOL
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there no place for guns on sr. thats the one thing that will make the goverment crack down harder on sr. whats next rocket launchers to take down planes or maybe assasins for hire? i mean cmon.
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Some of the comments in this thread, and in the one about SR being down or not, that come from obvious pro drug - anti gun folks seem to be "frantic" in a way.
That's the best word to try to describe the feeling I get when reading these comments.
Frantic in a way that it comes across as a panic of not being able to buy drugs anymore to feed an addiction.
People that are cracking down on guns and their devastating effect on SR while insinuating that drugs would never cause SR to attract any LE attention. As if it's ok.
In a panicking way with weak or incorrect arguments that only seem a desperate effort to stretch out this source to feed their addiction needs for as long as possible.
No offense. Really, to each his own.
But to use capital writing and bad words to make a point is an obvious sign of lack of strength in an argument, most of time at least.
Do realize though that in the US it is easy to get guns. But outside of the US there are countries where normal citizens grow an increasing worry and fear of not being able to defend their lives and the lives of their family in this hardening world anymore. Where the police will not put in any effort in a incident anymore, unless it is political motivated or concerns multiple homicide.
Where only criminals have the guns, knowing that law abiding citizens do not.
Where armed theft in homes where the home owners "only" get tied up, beaten or shot in the legs, are considered minor felonies that don't require immediate attention.
Where people that get successfully convicted for first degree murder only get 3 years in prison. One probational. (Recent incident.)
Where an (armed) thieve that is struck down with a baseball bat by the home owner will result in the home owner getting charged with excessive violence. (This also was in the newspaper recently.)
Really, guns should be free for anybody.
Together with a mandatory shooting course.
Until then, I can only hope to safely and anonymously get a gun from somewhere to be able to protect myself and my family for that day when I hear the noise downstairs at night.
Wisdom to all.
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Cops (and more) have probably been here since day 1.
Agreed, but I highly doubt they are here for the reasons the "experts" claim (as DBush so eloquently wrote). Newsflash - cops are not judicial warriors working for the greater good. I'd be willing to bet more than a few cops have placed and order or two for their personal inspection.
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...your not transferring them the correct way.YOUR BUYING off THEM Anonymously. This is a mandatory 5 years in prison in all most every state, including texas. ITS A HUGEEE FELONY.
Mandatory....? 5 years? In at least 26 states? Come on.... Ever heard of Google?
Are you jokin? Your shady as hell, or very young and naive.
The guy earlier made a good point, calling an anonymous poster derogatory names is just stupid. Also, insinuating that some one is young and naive is a jab at there intellect. That would be like me point out that YOU'RE struggling with elementary English, and that's just not cool.
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Really, guns should be free for anybody.
Together with a mandatory shooting course.
Until then, I can only hope to safely and anonymously get a gun from somewhere to be able to protect myself and my family for that day when I hear the noise downstairs at night.
Wisdom to all.
First off, I want to respond to this comment---> Guns should NOT be "FREE for ANYBODY"...
My response----> This is an extremely immature, silly, and a completely ridiculous statement. I really do not feel I have to explain to you why this is a very stupid comment as you seem intelligent enough to figure it out for yourself, so I will give you a chance to correct that silly statement.
Let me give you a little background of myself. I am a 28 year old, single white male, educated in public school as well as college, not only do I have book intelligence but I have common sense/street smarts, I use drugs on a daily basis for my own reasons I feel I do not have to divulge to you, have had my fair share of ups and downs with many hardships in my life that were once barriers and held me back, I am very knowledgeable in various types of martial arts (muay thai, wing-chun, philipino art such as eskrima or arnis, in the states known as kali, panantukan, western boxing, fencing, and the list goes on jand on), I study the philosophy of Jun Fan Gung Fu or Jeet Kune Do (Bruce Lee's Kung Fu/Bruce Lee's Martial Arts or Ideology) I have been surrounded by the deaths of loved ones since an extremely young age, I have a magnetic personality, am hilarious to be around, have an insane love/lust for women (I am heterosexual and I am damn good with the ladies if I say so myself) although I have many male gay friends and lesbian friends and am not -phobic in any way, shape, form, or fashion, I am very liberal, peaceful but will defend what I care about, I stand up for my rights as well as others', I like sports, have tons of hobbies, I love movies, I am a musician and music is my life, cocky? no, confident? yes, live on the east coast of the U.S....blah blah blah blah, and along with hundreds of personal fault and follies, also self destructive in ways and many many other type of personal issues...
...oh yeah, now here is the main point that I forgot to mention...I AM A PROUD GUN OWNER AND HAVE BEEN FOR 25 OF MY 28 YEARS ON THIS EARTH. I love guns, shooting them, cleaning them, buying, selling, taking them apart, putting them back together (I can break down a .38/.357 caliber with one hand...no BS), a crack shot, switch shot (AKA:Switch hitter = shooting with the left or right hand or switching shoulders), my first gun was given to me at the age of three (It was a Browning .22 Caliber Chipmunk Rifle lol) and I loved it from the first shot...I currently only own 14 firearms ( a little bit of everything. Pistols, Shotguns, and Rifles), a few were passed down from my Great-Grandfather-->to my Grandfather-->to me, also one from my father, the remainder were purchased legally. I have never pulled a gun on anyone and the last thing I would ever want to do is to resort to using one of my guns on someone, whether it would be meant to just hurt them or to kill them. People can be very irresponsible with guns just ask much as they can with drugs or money or anything else in this world that can be abused...if someone purchases a firearm the correct and legal way, chances are they are going to use the firearm the correct and legal way. If you are cutting corners and trying to purchase a gun illegally then chances are that you are going to use it to cut corners, being irresponsible with it and more than likely using it for illegal reasons.
Now, on the subject of living in a country where you do not have access to guns, then you should consider different forms of self defense such as knives and what not. Even though you cannot shoot someone who may be threatening to you or has a gun themselves, chances are they do not want to use it really and they are probably close enough for hand to hand combat and with enough training, you may stand a better chance at disarming the assailant than if you are inexperienced with a firearm and possibly harming an innocent, harming yourself, or making a major mistake and missing or freezing and end up being shot by your opponent. If you happen to be unfortunate enough to live in a country where it is illegal to own a firearm, instead of putting yourself in a pickle by possibly getting caught with a firearm and facing penalties, jail time and possibly death, you should really consider heavy, aggressive, self defense and combative training both lethal and non-lethal with an experienced and licensed professional.
Ya know, I am in total agreement with a lot of your points, especially when you are talking about the incidents with people defending themselves and end up being the criminal somehow being complete bullshit. Pisses me off. Here is another one for you...
This thief had been scoping out this house for a few weeks. Once the burglar decides it is the right time to strike in the middle of the night, he searches and searches bur he cannot find a good place to break in without being too loud doing so. He then remembers that he saw a skylight on the roof so he decides that the skylight is his best bet at breaking in. He manages to get up on the roof without a hitch and sees the skylight. He gets over to the skylight and begins his stealthy operation of breaking in when all of the sudden the skylight breaks and he falls straight down about two stories into the house, breaking both of his legs in the process and obviously receiving a few extra injuries as well. The thief was so hurt that he could not even drag himself out of the house so he just lay there with broken bones for hours and a couple days. After a couple of days, the home owner returns from vacation or wherever he may have been. Realizing that the fellow in his floor was a thief that was attempting to break in when the incident happened he called the cops. The thief obviously gets taken to the hospital and once he is able to do so, he calls a lawyer and files a suit against the home owner suing him for hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly millions all because the skylight gave way and he was injured. ~end of story
You have got to be fucking kidding me right? NO! Look it up, it actually happened. As far as the outcome of the suit or if the burglar was ever convicted of a crime I am completely unsure of that, but overall...this is fucking super fucked up and cannot believe that this could even occur...I don't even know for sure what I would have done if I came home from vacation to find a burglar in my home with broken legs...I would probably torture his ass even more just for his stupidity lol
Cheerz guys, and sorry for the novel 8)
~LR
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Really, guns should be free for anybody.
Together with a mandatory shooting course.
Until then, I can only hope to safely and anonymously get a gun from somewhere to be able to protect myself and my family for that day when I hear the noise downstairs at night.
Wisdom to all.
First off, I want to respond to this comment---> Guns should NOT be "FREE for ANYBODY"...
My response----> This is an extremely immature, silly, and a completely ridiculous statement. I really do not feel I have to explain to you why this is a very stupid comment as you seem intelligent enough to figure it out for yourself, so I will give you a chance to correct that silly statement.
Let me give you a little background of myself. I am a 28 year old, single white male, educated in public school as well as college, not only do I have book intelligence but I have common sense/street smarts, I use drugs on a daily basis for my own reasons I feel I do not have to divulge to you, have had my fair share of ups and downs with many hardships in my life that were once barriers and held me back, I am very knowledgeable in various types of martial arts (muay thai, wing-chun, philipino art such as eskrima or arnis, in the states known as kali, panantukan, western boxing, fencing, and the list goes on jand on), I study the philosophy of Jun Fan Gung Fu or Jeet Kune Do (Bruce Lee's Kung Fu/Bruce Lee's Martial Arts or Ideology) I have been surrounded by the deaths of loved ones since an extremely young age, I have a magnetic personality, am hilarious to be around, have an insane love/lust for women (I am heterosexual and I am damn good with the ladies if I say so myself) although I have many male gay friends and lesbian friends and am not -phobic in any way, shape, form, or fashion, I am very liberal, peaceful but will defend what I care about, I stand up for my rights as well as others', I like sports, have tons of hobbies, I love movies, I am a musician and music is my life, cocky? no, confident? yes, live on the east coast of the U.S....blah blah blah blah, and along with hundreds of personal fault and follies, also self destructive in ways and many many other type of personal issues...
...oh yeah, now here is the main point that I forgot to mention...I AM A PROUD GUN OWNER AND HAVE BEEN FOR 25 OF MY 28 YEARS ON THIS EARTH. I love guns, shooting them, cleaning them, buying, selling, taking them apart, putting them back together (I can break down a .38/.357 caliber with one hand...no BS), a crack shot, switch shot (AKA:Switch hitter = shooting with the left or right hand or switching shoulders), my first gun was given to me at the age of three (It was a Browning .22 Caliber Chipmunk Rifle lol) and I loved it from the first shot...I currently only own 14 firearms ( a little bit of everything. Pistols, Shotguns, and Rifles), a few were passed down from my Great-Grandfather-->to my Grandfather-->to me, also one from my father, the remainder were purchased legally. I have never pulled a gun on anyone and the last thing I would ever want to do is to resort to using one of my guns on someone, whether it would be meant to just hurt them or to kill them. People can be very irresponsible with guns just ask much as they can with drugs or money or anything else in this world that can be abused...if someone purchases a firearm the correct and legal way, chances are they are going to use the firearm the correct and legal way. If you are cutting corners and trying to purchase a gun illegally then chances are that you are going to use it to cut corners, being irresponsible with it and more than likely using it for illegal reasons.
Now, on the subject of living in a country where you do not have access to guns, then you should consider different forms of self defense such as knives and what not. Even though you cannot shoot someone who may be threatening to you or has a gun themselves, chances are they do not want to use it really and they are probably close enough for hand to hand combat and with enough training, you may stand a better chance at disarming the assailant than if you are inexperienced with a firearm and possibly harming an innocent, harming yourself, or making a major mistake and missing or freezing and end up being shot by your opponent. If you happen to be unfortunate enough to live in a country where it is illegal to own a firearm, instead of putting yourself in a pickle by possibly getting caught with a firearm and facing penalties, jail time and possibly death, you should really consider heavy, aggressive, self defense and combative training both lethal and non-lethal with an experienced and licensed professional.
Ya know, I am in total agreement with a lot of your points, especially when you are talking about the incidents with people defending themselves and end up being the criminal somehow being complete bullshit. Pisses me off. Here is another one for you...
This thief had been scoping out this house for a few weeks. Once the burglar decides it is the right time to strike in the middle of the night, he searches and searches bur he cannot find a good place to break in without being too loud doing so. He then remembers that he saw a skylight on the roof so he decides that the skylight is his best bet at breaking in. He manages to get up on the roof without a hitch and sees the skylight. He gets over to the skylight and begins his stealthy operation of breaking in when all of the sudden the skylight breaks and he falls straight down about two stories into the house, breaking both of his legs in the process and obviously receiving a few extra injuries as well. The thief was so hurt that he could not even drag himself out of the house so he just lay there with broken bones for hours and a couple days. After a couple of days, the home owner returns from vacation or wherever he may have been. Realizing that the fellow in his floor was a thief that was attempting to break in when the incident happened he called the cops. The thief obviously gets taken to the hospital and once he is able to do so, he calls a lawyer and files a suit against the home owner suing him for hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly millions all because the skylight gave way and he was injured. ~end of story
You have got to be fucking kidding me right? NO! Look it up, it actually happened. As far as the outcome of the suit or if the burglar was ever convicted of a crime I am completely unsure of that, but overall...this is fucking super fucked up and cannot believe that this could even occur...I don't even know for sure what I would have done if I came home from vacation to find a burglar in my home with broken legs...I would probably torture his ass even more just for his stupidity lol
Cheerz guys, and sorry for the novel 8)
~LR
Thanks LR, always nice to read you...
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Assured mutual death and destruction worked with the nuclear arms race so I don't see why it wouldn't work with guns. If every capable person is armed, criminals would definitely think twice about robbing someone or breaking into a house. I believe every family in Switzerland is legally required to own a gun and crime isn't rampant there.
It all comes down to the person. Some people can handle drugs and responsibility and others can't. The ones who can't will gradually eliminate themselves. I plan on buying another gun soon to protect myself.
If everyone is heavily armed the government will think twice about further infringing our liberties. There's a lot more citizens than police and military. We're the ones in charge. We pay their salaries, elect them, and can eliminate them if necessary. Don't let them forget that.
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Thank you for your time to reply.
I enjoyed reading it.
A lot of it would do well in a contact add to meet a nice woman.
I would like to respond to some of the rest.
First off, I want to respond to this comment---> Guns should NOT be "FREE for ANYBODY"...
.... People can be very irresponsible with guns just ask much as they can with drugs or money or anything else in this world that can be abused...if someone purchases a firearm the correct and legal way, chances are they are going to use the firearm the correct and legal way. If you are cutting corners and trying to purchase a gun illegally then chances are that you are going to use it to cut corners, being irresponsible with it and more than likely using it for illegal reasons.
Hence my saying. Guns should be free for anybody. Maybe I expressed myself wrong, giving a wrong impression. English is not my native language.
My meaning here is that guns should be legally easy obtainable for everyone. Together with a mandatory shooting course (of which safety and responsibility is a part).
You wrote it yourself. When legally owned, people are less likely to take shortcuts. So we actually agree.
However, I live in a country where although guns are officially legal to own, it is almost impossible to actually own them in practice.
So owning one illegally is almost the only option.
I agree with you about the marshal arts. A skilled fighter is better than a hesitant gunman(woman).
But some of us have physical challenges that won't enable them to fight as well as a healthy person.
Even physically healthy people, despite of training, might not be able to defend themselves as well only using hands and feet.
The lack of a criminal mind might not let them do with bare hands which is needed to survive a fight.
And what about the wife or children in the house? It would at least make my wife feel safer when I'm away or home late.
I was indicating I would want to have a gun for the purpose of self defense. And in the situation as I laid it out, I would have every right.
Because I gave an example of a situation where somebody, and lately they seem to be armed more often, comes to your house and breaks in to take your stuff. And when caught or being obstructed more and more often revert to violence. The statement that a thief is not likely to shoot because he doesn't want that is a bit naive. At least here. In the last year (2011) there was a strong increase in violent theft where the doorbell was rang to shoot or stab down the home owner as he opened the door. And often the result was fatal for the victim. Ironically in the light of the discussion on this forum, a number of cases that did get resolved showed that the thief operating this way was often a drug addict.
But I will take my point even further. I have friends from the US and sometimes I visit the US as well. What I hear a lot is that people over there would shoot a person just for being on their property. As long as it's not in the back, they even say. But I would even let a thieve rob my house clean as long as that would assure my family's safety.
That's right. If I was to hear a noise in the middle of the night, I would take my kids in our bedroom and lock the door. I would take the phone to alarm the police and let them rob my home dry. I'm insured for that.
But if they were to come upstairs, I would defend myself.
That is my personal and only motivation to obtain a gun.
And I would prefer jail time over loss of life or ability of any of us.
However statistically the chances that would happen to me are slim, there have been eight robbery's in the last five months close to my place, of which one was a violent entering as described above.
Either way, my point on this forum was not to zoom into details. But more to give the pro drugs - anti gun folks here something to think about before bashing down on pro gun people with capital letters and bad words. That's really all.
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^^^ Touche' :D
Good response my friend.
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I personally, would definitely not buy from DBush. I did not have the feeling of cop before now the wheels are turning but I'm still not sold. I do not know anything about computers, the true anonymity of Tor and bitcoin but I know the silkroad is on borrowed time. i love the concept, I think its great to have a (mostly) reliable, safe and professional environment to purchase high quality drugs. We are all very aware of the dangers and risks we are assuming when using but we're adults. I feel the U.S. Gov't could take a cue from silk road in regards to drug policy and start spending real money on treatment. If you let an addiction get a firm hold of you I GUARANTEE it will teach you more convincingly than prison why drugs can (CAN) be seriously fucked. That said, back to my original point, we all know everyone is aware of this site, 'Anonymous' managed to get a hold of the IP addresses of all the perverts on Freedom Hosting. I'm sure a little "domestic-threat" angle from some gov't agency and they could end this amazing experiment quickly. My question is why haven't they? Is the generally consumer sized purchases not of interest? Are they waiting/watching? Perhaps they realize the value of the site and its removal of the 'street' element traditionally involved when buying drugs? I hope for the latter but bet on the watch and wait scenario. Any other ideas?
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Praise to Proximus.