Quote from: Neville Fucking Bartoz on September 24, 2012, 02:10 amPlease don't get all platypus spurs at me, my intention wasn't to "bash" you in any way, I was just surprised as you seem to be right pretty much the rest of the time.But please trust me they grow Opium all over Europe, I can with absolute certainty assure you all the Opium I've ever imbibed was grown in Europe, in fact I've seen Spanish, French and UK opium for sale here on the Road.Also I slightly object to this "opium/heroin" thing you do, very different things opium and heroin, growing and producing opium doesn't always have to lead to heroin manufacture.Sorry if I come across as irritated it's just that opium's quite wonderful and has a myriad positive medicinal applications and has been used for thousands of years, it's one of the oldest cultivated plants, whereas heroin's the brand name of a big pharma corporation's failed attempt to find a non-addictive alternative to morphine, which is just one of the thirty something active compounds in the opium poppy, so you see "opium/heroin" irritates me, they're VERY VERY different things opium and heroin.I think we're having crossed wires here, I'm not annoyed at you and you weren't bashing me. I do the opium/heroin thing because in the west, heroin is the major derivative used, but in Asia opium is used much more. So one plant produces two powerful drugs with large consumer bases. I am not confusing h and opium, I know they're different.It's marvelous that the poppy produces so many useful drugs, if you look at all, and I do mean nearly all, the major painkillers that actually work, they are all poppy based e.g. Vicodin, codeine, morphine et al. Opiates are exceptionally powerful drugs, and to be honest I don't think the scientific establishment actually understands them because there are far more people addicted to doctor's prescriptions of some opiate derivative than recreational drug consumers. Since we are mentioning bugbears, my bugbear is that everybody seems to use, even in scientific papers, the word 'narcotic' as a label for many illegal drugs, as if it were a synonym. Actually narcotic are a very specific group of drugs, namely the opiates, morphine, heroin, codeine and opium being the major ones. All the other drugs are not narcotics.I'm looking at you Mr Nicolas Christin. -.-