Quote from: Guru on September 01, 2012, 08:32 pmIf the vendor is so clueless about computers, I have to question whether he's even qualified to be a vendor on here. (Obligatory disclaimer: This is my personal opinion only, and does not necessarily represent in any way the opinions of the management nor staff of Silk Road.)GuruHonestly you don't need to be reticent Guru and cage your response with disclaimers, if a vendor is a fucking idiot, then the vendor is a fucking idiot pure and simple. We know a *fuck ton* more than they do about proper security and that's all there is to it. We are right. They are wrong. It is simple. This is not arrogance, this is a straight forward observation borne out by the fact what we're saying is backed up by pretty much every resource there is on security/technology and they are just sprouting utter drivel (citation -> null).There aren't really two ways about it. There is absolutely no need to be polite about it when these fuckwits are threatening SR customer's security with their inept "Jesus Wept" security practices. If anything we should be forcing them out of business completely by pillorying them. This is SR, not Topix, we have a reputation to uphold here.True enough, some are just ignorant and they change when they figure out that they're doing something wrong. I'm not really talking about those guys. Everybody is a newbie at some point after all.In the cases of vendors mentioned, they're just unforgivable. There is no helping somebody that dumb. Really. People who make up dumb incoherent stories and bullshit myths to excuse their laziness and bloodymindedness should lose all their business, because they've lost all their credibility as serious vendors. Not only are they ignorant, but they refuse to realize they are ignorant. That's an altogether different kettle of fish. The appropriate response IS anger.In RL, people like this routinely get put up against the wall and shot dead. We know it, LE knows it. Everybody on the streets knows it. These kinds of guys don't last five years on the block, and that's the truth behind the missing person statistics, it's practically a routine periodic black market activity like taking out the trash to get rid of these types of guys. Quite honestly they're not really welcome at SR either, they're also too inept to learn new tricks, but they should thank their lucky stars that they're at the end of an anonymous electronic tunnel because the worst that can happen here is they lose custom. That is another advantage of SR. Seldom genuinely appreciated here because many people here are new from the middle class consumer end of things and thus aren't familiar with the reality of the trade, but it's a highly 'non-theoretical' fact.Trust me, SR has saved at the very least four or five lives by now by virtue of being an anonymous marketplace. And also in having relatively robust harm reduction with the feedback mechanism and facilitating communication via the forum, but quite honestly it's mostly because it puts fuckwits like the ones mentioned at arms length from organized gangs with their enforcers. I mean I don't approve of coercion, but when given the choice I'm not exactly rooting for Team Fuckwit either. You don't need to approve of violence to understand why it happens. Fuckwits and their clumsy assumptions about the state of play are the main reason. I guess if they're on here, then at least they only get shot down figuratively speaking. But whether they're here or not, I'm not in the business of cultivating idiots and neither should any other member of SR. We should adopt tolerance for learning and mistakes, but zero tolerance for this stupid apathy.In my view DPR should have staff hitting dumb vendors with temporary bans if they don't up their game. Dumb buyers are one thing, dumb vendors are another. I don't agree there should be a threshold for consumers, but there should be some kind of threshold for vendors. I mean, we've been hearing one dumbass in Austria got busted and he had all his customers records on file, addresses and all. I remember him from before, and I saw that coming a freaking mile away. By threshold, I mean some manner of exam on basic security procedures. Until then, we're going to get occurrences of vendors parceling weed up in shopping bags, half torn packaging etc.Being an SR vendor should be something special, something to be proud of, held high.