Quote from: IgnorantFuck on February 20, 2012, 05:48 pmQuote from: pine on February 20, 2012, 12:38 pmQuote from: IgnorantFuck on February 20, 2012, 12:06 pmI want a more socialist society because I'd like a safety net. Or rather, I'd like others to have safety nets. It doesn't make sense that a person can be totally fucked because of a broken ankle in the US, while in most other developed nations they wouldn't be.You can have safety nets aplenty without handing your tax dollars to the government. The idea that the government is there to look out for you in every circumstance is completely fallacious. Take the NHS in the UK. The average cleaner makes between 6 and 10 pounds per hour. They pay 50 pounds per week to the NHS. This is not optional.Now, that, is not fair. It's the middle classes who receive most of the benefits of socialized systems. Yes, equality can really be more unfair than inequality. You cannot know how much the working class in Britain hates the people on benefits. It's visceral. That's because their incentives are the exact opposite of each other, which has caused an enormous schism in society.For me, private health care costs are a fraction of what it cost me in the public sphere. Protip: I also don't wait in lines.Now, what if I were to get a serious problem like cancer that would be very expensive to take care of? Well, insurance companies exist for that reason. In practice, you could die waiting in the queue on the public system. In fact, it happens regularly, I know people who almost died because they didn't switch soon enough from supposedly free healthcare to private. In the end their hand was forced to choose private because otherwise they would have died waiting. It's no joke this business, it's all very ugly.I'm not all that knowledgeable when it comes to health care, I just don't like that we give old people free money, poor people free food and then refuse to help the sick. Help everyone who needs it or no one.I'll just stop right here and admit I know very little on the subject.And I agree with you completely, it's just that I think there's solutions that have been shown to work much better in every way possible than using the government as an intermediary.