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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Asbjorn on February 01, 2012, 11:10 pm
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Hi.
Welcome to CAD.
So I think we should have an up-to-date LSD database. I did the beginning, but please see this as an ongoing discussion where we can discuss the current batches around and exchange test results. It would be ace if we could get lab scans for these guys posted as well.
Would be good if we could get this pinned :)
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BUDDHAs/CARTOON SHIVAs/BLUE SHIVAs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/5bd066453a2aff5dfc6bcd5a2f7f3a2f.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg
Dosage: 80-100ug (lab)
Crystal: Amber
This is one of the 3 main European commercial blotters. On the backside these Buddhas have a simple ink drawing similar to the front of the blotter. No fakes known of. No infos on artwork.
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GANESHAs/SHIVAs (Art by Alex Grey)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d29e658ebd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e89.jpg
Dosage: 80-90 (lab)
Crystal: Amber
Another one of the main commercial blotters. Backside as soon. The print quality and perforation on these blotters are reported to have developed negatively. Few hits here and there get called bunk. No fakes known of.
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HOFFMANs - The Original
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/1dca4dcf1d1752201748cf8981d60b93.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a773bc86fe465f000c3395612353ccdf.jpg
Dosage: 75-100ug (lab)
Crystasl: Amber
And the third one. Infos to backside required. Are not to be confused with the 2010 Hoffmans which were 140ug. No fakes known of. Artwork is a variation on the regular Hoffman design.
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AVATARs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/11c831ca981db04dfb48d919ed0910cf.jpg
Backside required.
Dosage: 130-150 (est)
Crystal: Unknown
Have been around since 2011. Lab test required. A few fakes of these blotters were around, but no major infiltration. Artwork from the movie.
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DALAI LAMAs (Art by Alex Grey)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/67e2e2e417868263a5f9225730c29059.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/8f45e48b51550c9381007b364956d293.jpg
Dosage: Been reported from 150ug to 250ug. Perhaps there are a few differently dosed batches around. Urgently need info on this.
Crystal: Unknown
Mid- to Highrange on the European market. These are not to be confused with the Ganeshas as both get called Alex Greys sometimes. People love this acid.
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MAYAN CALENDERS
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad70eefef3.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a8fd39e9f852c7227254a346d226e7d8.jpg
Dosage: 250ug (lab)
Crystal: Swiss Bliss
European high-end blotters. Few batches were claimed to be bunk. Has not been around as of lately. No infos on artwork. No fakes known of.
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FAT FREDDYS CATs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/f091dae52e31aa78f9056cb501d6ea56.jpg
Backside required.
Dosage: 250ug (lab)
Crystal: White
Another high-end print. Everybody loves these. No infos on artwork. No fakes known of.
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DANCING BEARs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/e9ed10989d102442e0ae24e0f2b3f10c.jpg
Backside required.
Dosage: 90-120ug (est)
Probably from a European source and a tribute to GDF. Is good. No infos on artwork. Few different versions of this print around, not sure about the quality of those.
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SHIVAs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/4168e836db8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/72de50b62c719b088c5459accc5d1c47.jpg
Dosage: ???
This blotter pops up know and then. European origin. More information required.
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KRISHNAs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d08e99307736aec8ccc20b6b3c7dd0eb.jpg
Dosage: 110-130ug
Crystal: Light Grey
Need more information!
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THE SUNs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/f17c1a61846f341bfdb19fcb62fb0172.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/8b32c5af7bffedbe2a9472b2d39079ee.jpg
Dosage: 130ug (lab)
Crystal: ???
Need more information!
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RED GANESHAs
Pics needed.
Dosage: 30-80ug (est)
Crystal: Unknown
Fucked up at production level.
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FLYING KEYs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=c2890d44d06bafb6c7b4aa194857ccbc.jpg
Dosage: 30-60ug (est)
Cystal: Unknown
Fucked up at production level.
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Information on the following blotter is still required: Pharaos, Oms
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If you know more than this post, do say so :)
PS: How the fuck do I get previews for pictures?
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+1 to get this pinned. Much more informative than LSD vendor pinned list and also not full of bias. Would be great to see more lab test. ecstacydata will do personalized lab test(although i'm sure there are others), however ED requires $120 for things not ecstacy PLUS as least 20mg of substance which will be destroyed after test. This would be somewhere between 250-350 hits at 75ug just to get a result. Im sure there is something more practical.
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Wow, props for making this. Count another vote for making it a sticky!
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Dalai lamas from swiss bliss? This is a total joke. Dalai lamas had the shittiest crystal I've ever tried, altough they were very strong (250ug+). Probably amber, nothing above 80% for sure. Good dalai lamas were available 2 years ago, but those from 1 year ago were laid from very impure crystal. Only blotter laid from swiss bliss that I know of was mayan calendar (and indeed it was the purest L I tried).
Dancing bears are 90-120mcg
Nice topic, +1 for pinning it up.
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Wow, props for making this. Count another vote for making it a sticky!
Yea, this is indeed greatly appreciated. I wish there was an easier way to get more of these lab tested. There's certainly at least Ehrlich's reagent to verify that some LSD is present, but that doesn't go nearly as far as a lab test would.
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Wow, props for making this. Count another vote for making it a sticky!
Yea, this is indeed greatly appreciated. I wish there was an easier way to get more of these lab tested. There's certainly at least Ehrlich's reagent to verify that some LSD is present, but that doesn't go nearly as far as a lab test would.
It is not really hard to say which ones have LSD in them. At least on that all the information should be correct in this thread.
Dalai lamas from swiss bliss? This is a total joke. Dalai lamas had the shittiest crystal I've ever tried, altough they were very strong (250ug+). Probably amber, nothing above 80% for sure. Good dalai lamas were available 2 years ago, but those from 1 year ago were laid from very impure crystal. Only blotter laid from swiss bliss that I know of was mayan calendar (and indeed it was the purest L I tried).
Dancing bears are 90-120mcg
Nice topic, +1 for pinning it up.
You are right, the Mayan Calenders did get made from Swiss crystal I got that mixed up. And thanks for the other info, have updated it.
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And this is the correct graphic for dalai lamas: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/97e34973c4055ad38dadfde23689d9ab.jpg
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lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far too many people freak out at such high doses.
Even real 200ug is far too much for most people.
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I really like this :) Maybe we can get this running on its own .onion site with an actual database set up so people can browse through it easier and upload ones they've received locally, etc.
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I really like this :) Maybe we can get this running on its own .onion site with an actual database set up so people can browse through it easier and upload ones they've received locally, etc.
There are not really that many different acid prints. This should be allright for now. Tho of course anybody is entitled to copy information from here.
lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far too many people freak out at such high doses.
Even real 200ug is far too much for most people.
There are not commercial tabs listed at 200ug. Mayan Calanders and Fat Freddys Cats are not widely available.
And this is the correct graphic for dalai lamas: http://i52.tinypic.com/2wn46jn.jpg
Thanks :)
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lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far too many people freak out at such high doses.
Even real 200ug is far too much for most people.
Let me guess - you live in USA? Well, Europe has different standards ;)
And 1 hit of dalai lamas was definitely too much for a lot of people.
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Dalai lamas from swiss bliss? This is a total joke. Dalai lamas had the shittiest crystal I've ever tried, altough they were very strong (250ug+). Probably amber, nothing above 80% for sure. Good dalai lamas were available 2 years ago, but those from 1 year ago were laid from very impure crystal.
I bought some Dalai Lamas two years ago and it was hand down the best acid I have ever dropped, gave me the cleanest and most euphoric high I have ever experienced.
Then, 2 months ago I bought some from juergen, and let me tell you his batch was as good, maybe even better than the first one I got. (probably because he's a "professional" seller who stores acid better than my dealer)
On a side note, I read in your thread that you're laying your own sheets.
Why don't you lay us some crazy ass hits on a custom blotter art for SR?
Something around 200-250 mics.
I'd love to have a full trip on a single hit.
I'm sure a lot of people, myself included will be very interested in this :D
And Big PROPS to Asbjorn for this thread.
No more let's double the mics on my hits vendor bullshit!
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Atlas, I will lay 350ug blotters once I get my hands on bigger ammount of crystal, especially for SR :)
Sorry for offtopic.
And about dalai lamas - I believe there were different batches available, because it's impossible that opinions on the quality of trip are so various.
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Thanks for the info! If I get some time I'll take some higher res screen shots for you.
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lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far too many people freak out at such high doses.
Even real 200ug is far too much for most people.
There are not commercial tabs listed at 200ug. Mayan Calanders and Fat Freddys Cats are not widely available.
The psy scene is flooded with this prints since many years and none of them is >200ug. They are usually sold as 200ug IRL and the Mayan Calendars i had were much weaker than real 200ug.
Let me guess - you live in USA? Well, Europe has different standards ;)
And 1 hit of dalai lamas was definitely too much for a lot of people.
I am from Europe and yes 1 hit of DLs is too much for most people although they dont have >200ug :p.
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They did have around 250ug. I have access to crystal and I know how 250ug feels like. For sure, no estimates.
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A few of the Mayan Calender batches were weaker as it says in the post. The ones I had were definitely 250ug.
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A few of the Mayan Calender batches were weaker as it says in the post. The ones I had were definitely 250ug.
Any other 250ug available, that's what the community is truly missing now.
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@toker420 Grab some Fat Freddy's. ;)
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Awesome :) We should somehow get that tester thread realized soonish (several weeks/few months sounds soonish and realistic to me) and link it up with this idea. That would be terrific.
Regarding the dalai lamas same here, one of the best trip of my life. Maybe there are indeed copycats out there with lesser quality, who knows, but the one I had was insanely strong and clean. I'm with peaceloveharmony in that most blotters are grossly overestimated (I actually advocated this a lot) but the dalais are indeed around 200ug or very close to that.
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Flying Keys bunk? I got some flying keys, and while they certainly were not very potent, they weren't bunk. Hell, I think I still have 2 left.
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This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
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This is an awesome idea. +1 to getting it stickied. Thanks for getting this started, Asb.
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This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell better, especially in European markets.
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This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell better, especially in European markets.
They not neccessarily lie on purpose, most of them just get the second-hand info about the potency.
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This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell better, especially in European markets.
They not neccessarily lie on purpose, most of them just get the second-hand info about the potency.
I dont know the real dosage but I tested a half of these and got a nice trip. Definitely more then expected.
I mean I know the dosage is 25-30µg to start feeling anything from LSD. This was def. more, I got a nice trip from only a half and so I would estimate the hoffmans are 120+. They have no taste (the usual metallic but no bitter taste) and the timeframe fits to LSD.
Long story short I like them better than the shivas or krishnas and think they are stronger.
Will test a higher dosage this we.
take care
no_pain
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This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell better, especially in European markets.
They not neccessarily lie on purpose, most of them just get the second-hand info about the potency.
I dont know the real dosage but I tested a half of these and got a nice trip. Definitely more then expected.
I mean I know the dosage is 25-30µg to start feeling anything from LSD. This was def. more, I got a nice trip from only a half and so I would estimate the hoffmans are 120+. They have no taste (the usual metallic but no bitter taste) and the timeframe fits to LSD.
Long story short I like them better than the shivas or krishnas and think they are stronger.
Will test a higher dosage this we.
take care
no_pain
I doubt the Hoffmans he has are the ones from last year, they really were not around long. And they did not have The Original on it, but a year if I am not mistaken. These are good hits, but they have been lab tested and are not 120+ug.
Intentionally or not, aakhoven is publishing wrong information about the strength of his blotters.
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This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell better, especially in European markets.
They not neccessarily lie on purpose, most of them just get the second-hand info about the potency.
I dont know the real dosage but I tested a half of these and got a nice trip. Definitely more then expected.
I mean I know the dosage is 25-30µg to start feeling anything from LSD. This was def. more, I got a nice trip from only a half and so I would estimate the hoffmans are 120+. They have no taste (the usual metallic but no bitter taste) and the timeframe fits to LSD.
Long story short I like them better than the shivas or krishnas and think they are stronger.
Will test a higher dosage this we.
take care
no_pain
I doubt the Hoffmans he has are the ones from last year, they really were not around long. And they did not have The Original on it, but a year if I am not mistaken. These are good hits, but they have been lab tested and are not 120+ug.
Intentionally or not, aakhoven is publishing wrong information about the strength of his blotters.
This could be, I just dont know and never saw a test sheet or some sort of paper with a lab test of any of the trips I took.
the 120µg where an estimate so dont nail me here. it was just a tip from my side. But I know for sure I tested the shivas, ganeshas, krishnas and the hoffmans. First of all the feel all the same, just like LSD should feel.
One exception was one batch ganeshas from, well I think you know from who (OVDB), maybe a half year back. They where so bitter and the whole trip feels strange. (And I could reproduce this feeling and still didnt like it).
From what I can say all the current EU trips I tried, and you mentioned, are good ones. And its a shame I dont know for sure how much better the calenders were. I took them not solo so I just cant judge here but the party was great, and long and colorful lol.
What I am interested in is different L. I would like to know if there is really a difference in crystal quality.
For me it always "just" was LSD and if you take enough it will blow your mind, exactly how it should.
But is there really a difference between the crystals?
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@Asbjorn
I just checked you listing and there you write that: "These blotters have been lab-tested from 80-100mcg and are one of the strongest on SR"
So if this is true and I know these Tabs and I know how much a half of these feels. Then I would say the Hoffmans are a bit stronger. I havnt tested your batch but its a very common one in the EU and I got them sold as shivas.
Hell I like all of them. LSD is the best toy for grownup kids.
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It would be helpful if the pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnails.
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I think the Buddhas, Ganeshas and Hoffmans are all interchangeable. Though you may be right and Hoffmans are better on average, but I have also seen batches of the Hoffmans tested at 75ug and the Ganeshas tested at 90ug. It really depends on the batch I guess. I personally would not ever charge different prices for them.
I am not sure how much crystal quality translates into the quality of the trip. I definitely think that people blame the acid too quickly when they have got a shit trip, as there are so many other factors to take into account. But then the Mayans were definitely superior, and I am not sure this is just due to the quantity of crystal on them.
I took the Red Ganeshas out of the bunk section, as somebody reported earlier that they liked them. I remember people calling them bunk because they were unevenly laid and very low dosed. Though always stayed away from them. Somebody got more information?
Also took the Flying Keys out the bunk section. I do think it was justified putting them there with their meager 30ug, but I guess technically they are not bunk.
Uh and somebody tell me what the hell Krishnas are :) Are they just a different name for one of the blotters I have already listed? Or are they a different print entirely? Also some information on the Pharaos started coming in but I still urgently need a pic before I can post the info.
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It would be helpful if the pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnails.
Ooops, how embarassing. It is fixed now.
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Uh and somebody tell me what the hell Krishnas are :) Are they just a different name for one of the blotters I have already listed? Or are they a different print entirely?
This is the Krishna print;
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-Present/ShivaKlein
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Uh and somebody tell me what the hell Krishnas are :) Are they just a different name for one of the blotters I have already listed? Or are they a different print entirely?
This is the Krishna print;
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-Present/ShivaKlein
Thanks, I posted it. Still need all the information on them pleeeease :)
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Here's a few pics to help
Alex Grey Nature of Mind / Ganesha: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=d29e658ebd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e89.jpg
Alex Grey Saint Albert: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=4d51fbffb999b73375588add0a6351c4.jpg
Avatar: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=45ae182af14561b5f2eb1be103f03604.jpg
Avatar 2: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=11c831ca981db04dfb48d919ed0910cf.jpg
Dalai Lama Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=8f45e48b51550c9381007b364956d293.jpg
Dalai Lama Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=67e2e2e417868263a5f9225730c29059.jpg
Buddha/Cartoon Shiva Back http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg
(If I remember right, i took this pic from your thread on OVDB ;))
Hofmann Original Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=1dca4dcf1d1752201748cf8981d60b93.jpg
Hofmann Original Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=a773bc86fe465f000c3395612353ccdf.jpg
Hofmann The Original (common on SR lately): http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=aef1e0f7bbb7b417a7efa26e73682aa8.jpg
Mayan Calendar Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad70eefef3.jpg
Mayan Calendar Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=a8fd39e9f852c7227254a346d226e7d8.jpg
Shiva Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=4168e836db8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg
Shiva Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=72de50b62c719b088c5459accc5d1c47.jpg
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I went through a few of these and found them really nice. It is an other one I like to take halfs from.
I normally take one to test the water and one full hit is too much for me go in public with "normal" folks. So half and half and half and... for me. So I can perfectly manage the trip and play with all the benefits LSD brings.
The Krishna print I had was tasteless, just paper tasted, and the time line fits perfectly in the for L expected schedule.
Strength wise like the Hoffmans or the yellow shiva/ganesha I would say.
Just normal good trips.
@asbjorn: If you ever get your hand on some of the calendar trips (or equal good ones) please do not tell anyone, just PM me and sell me some, I have to test them alone with no other substances in my body. And if you make it public I am afraid not to get some, hehe.
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here is a part of the Hofmann print, aakoven is selling.
don't know the strength yet, maybe after the weekend !!
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=31341130f4b8a90a498cdf1082892eb1.gif
Love & Peace
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It would be helpful if the pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnails.
Ooops, how embarassing. It is fixed now.
Thanks. I like your thread it is good to have information like this out in the open.
Also is it realistic that they are all such round numbers? I would expect to see from lab tested ones more like 91.830ug. Will the actual lab reports be posted or are they not that accurate reports?
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It would be helpful if the pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnails.
Ooops, how embarassing. It is fixed now.
Thanks. I like your thread it is good to have information like this out in the open.
Also is it realistic that they are all such round numbers? I would expect to see from lab tested ones more like 91.830ug. Will the actual lab reports be posted or are they not that accurate reports?
Since we're dealing with such small quantities, I wouldn't be surprised to find that lab tests are incapable of the kind of accuracy you mentioned. I don't know for sure, though.
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This is the Krishna print;
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-Present/ShivaKlein
Thanks, I posted it. Still need all the information on them pleeeease :)
They are similar dosed like Avatars.
Also the dancing bears were widely available in NL till some years ago (I think 2,3 but i have problems with remembering time :D) so maybe not GDF.
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I've currently just placed an order for ten of aakoven's claimed 150ug Hoffman blotters. The price was good but I am a little worried now I've seen this thread that they may not be as strong as claimed, but I'll give them a go when they arrive and report how it went. (I am very new to the magical world of LSD so my experiences with them will be one of someone who's pretty new to lucy.)
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This is a fantastic thread: thank you so much! If this can be kept up to date over time, it will form a great community-based history and reference.
My only additional recommendation is this: Now that we have the prints and the pictures, I think it would be a really, really useful thing in the first post to keep a database of SR LSD vendors and a note on whether their advertised dosage is accurate to the prints.
It is tedious and difficult to find each vendor, click through to the picture, click over here and find the picture again, and compare the dosage. It would be better to just go to this thread, look down, and see that FlyingDancingLoverBear's LSD dosages are "listed too high" or "listed accurately." That would allow me, the buyer, to get used to who's who in terms of accurate dosages. As a side-effect, it places some pressure on vendors to know their dosages and list them accurately and without careless inflation.
Again, thank you so much for this thread!
-Moriarity
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Just to create more confusion :) this is what tarp said about the origins of different EU blotters:
Dalai Lama, Shiva, Dancing Bear are from Shiva family.
Maya and St. Albert and Hofmann Bunny suit is from another family.
The crystal used by these families is different, though they both use white.
Ganesha/Hofmann/yellow Buddha is from yet another family.
Then there's the microdots etc.
No info about fat freddies, avatars, krishnas, pharaos from him.
Regarding the red ganesh ones here's what someone said:
they're very unevenly laid. I would roughly guess that the average blotter has 50ug of acid. Some have a lot more. Some have a lot less. I've tried a lot of these over the last few months. I've taken 1 hit before and had no noticeable effects and, at other times, i've taken 1 hit and it put my dick in the dirt.
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i don't think any tabs are completely empty of acid. because i've always gotten at least threshold effects from taking 2. on the flip side though, i've taken 2 and gotten destroyed.
Also regarding crystal types and quality I'm no chemist but imho it's all about different synthesis routes and purification techniques which probably gotten fancy names over the years like white fluff and whatnot but from a scientific perspective I think that's what it's all about. Nevertheless the difference between them is very real.
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Is there any information about the current batch of the "St. Albert" blotters, yet?
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Thanks for all the info, I will go through it.
My only additional recommendation is this: Now that we have the prints and the pictures, I think it would be a really, really useful thing in the first post to keep a database of SR LSD vendors and a note on whether their advertised dosage is accurate to the prints.
It is tedious and difficult to find each vendor, click through to the picture, click over here and find the picture again, and compare the dosage. It would be better to just go to this thread, look down, and see that FlyingDancingLoverBear's LSD dosages are "listed too high" or "listed accurately." That would allow me, the buyer, to get used to who's who in terms of accurate dosages. As a side-effect, it places some pressure on vendors to know their dosages and list them accurately and without careless inflation.
This is an educational thread. Especially since I vend on SR, this would be inappropriate.
This is the Krishna print;
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-Present/ShivaKlein
Thanks, I posted it. Still need all the information on them pleeeease :)
They are similar dosed like Avatars.
Also the dancing bears were widely available in NL till some years ago (I think 2,3 but i have problems with remembering time :D) so maybe not GDF.
You are right, they were around the NL. Pretty sure they are GDF though.
It would be helpful if the pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnails.
Ooops, how embarassing. It is fixed now.
Also is it realistic that they are all such round numbers? I would expect to see from lab tested ones more like 91.830ug. Will the actual lab reports be posted or are they not that accurate reports?
At least for the commercial ones there are more than one lab test, therefore the numbers are rough averages. You can never say exactly with acid.
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Here's a few pics to help
Alex Grey Nature of Mind / Ganesha: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=d29e658ebd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e89.jpg
Alex Grey Saint Albert: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=4d51fbffb999b73375588add0a6351c4.jpg
Avatar: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=45ae182af14561b5f2eb1be103f03604.jpg
Avatar 2: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=11c831ca981db04dfb48d919ed0910cf.jpg
Dalai Lama Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=8f45e48b51550c9381007b364956d293.jpg
Dalai Lama Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=67e2e2e417868263a5f9225730c29059.jpg
Buddha/Cartoon Shiva Back http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg
(If I remember right, i took this pic from your thread on OVDB ;))
Hofmann Original Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=1dca4dcf1d1752201748cf8981d60b93.jpg
Hofmann Original Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=a773bc86fe465f000c3395612353ccdf.jpg
Hofmann The Original (common on SR lately): http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=aef1e0f7bbb7b417a7efa26e73682aa8.jpg
Mayan Calendar Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad70eefef3.jpg
Mayan Calendar Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=a8fd39e9f852c7227254a346d226e7d8.jpg
Shiva Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=4168e836db8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg
Shiva Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=72de50b62c719b088c5459accc5d1c47.jpg
Thanks for all the great stuff.
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Bumped for informative nature and relevancy to SR current deals.
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FLYING KEYs Picture. If still needed..
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=c2890d44d06bafb6c7b4aa194857ccbc.jpg
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Anyone have any feedback on aakoven's 150ug Hoffman blotters? Is the dosing fairly accurate?
There are good things about him all over here, and my chat with him was very nice. But I haven't tried his acid yet. Any input will be much appreciated.
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@wxevkexi, no dosage is accurate unless backed by 3rd party lab tests. Read the OP, hoffmans were lab tested and they're 75-100ug just like most of the widely available commercial EU blotters.
Nevertheless AA is a top vendor and I'm sure you'll be happy with his product.
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But that would assume that all these blotters originate from the same source. Do they? It seems a little weird to me that a single test can qualify all the hoffman's produced out there.
Then there are folks like GammaGoblin, who are laying down their own blotters. I mean, they can use any paper they like, and the dosing is gonna depend on what they put in there. No?
@wxevkexi, no dosage is accurate unless backed by 3rd party lab tests. Read the OP, hoffmans were lab tested and they're 75-100ug just like most of the widely available commercial EU blotters.
Nevertheless AA is a top vendor and I'm sure you'll be happy with his product.
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Anyone have any feedback on aakoven's 150ug Hoffman blotters? Is the dosing fairly accurate?
There are good things about him all over here, and my chat with him was very nice. But I haven't tried his acid yet. Any input will be much appreciated.
..can tell you on monday !!!! ;) (maybe tuesday if they're top notch)....
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..can tell you on monday !!!! ;) (maybe tuesday if they're top notch)....
haha ... do that please :)
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For all i know are the "Bicycle Hofmann's" not from the same source as "The Originals" and are of better quality.
Actually, wxevkexi is right about the Fact that anyone can use all of these blotters listed in this thread.
So this whole thread is more kind of a ....rough reference point.
The Fat Freddy's cat blotters for example are widely available all over Europe since last fall.
Some may be 250ug of white crystal. But in England there are some that contain about 180-200ug and are not clean acid at all.
There is also a batch with about 120ug that is fairly good and clean.
There also is a batch of Avatars that were lab tested by the DIZ(Drug testing organization in Switzerland)and contained 170ug.
But i don't know which batch is sold around here atm. Maybe Asbjorns estimation of 130-150ug is correct.
The ones that are listed as "crystal:grey?" are actually Amber(based on my information.)
Amber is the standard for Bulk LSD and is always available in large quantity.
The Picard lab for example sold only amber crystal.
http://www.pacer.gov/
There you can look up the evidence(LSD that was tested) that was used in the Picard case.
And this goes on and on...
So sadly we will (in many cases) never know for sure.
But I appreciate the effort. I guess we all do.
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Thanks guys, lots of new info is in.
Of course there are more than one Hoffman print. And certainly blotters can be faked much easier than pills, but as somebody said before this is only a reference point.
I dunno which blotters AA has, but if they are not The Original ones which are reviewed in the first post, than they may very well be stronger than 100ug.
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I think the Buddhas, Ganeshas and Hoffmans are all interchangeable. Though you may be right and Hoffmans are better on average, but I have also seen batches of the Hoffmans tested at 75ug and the Ganeshas tested at 90ug. It really depends on the batch I guess. I personally would not ever charge different prices for them.
I am not sure how much crystal quality translates into the quality of the trip. I definitely think that people blame the acid too quickly when they have got a shit trip, as there are so many other factors to take into account. But then the Mayans were definitely superior, and I am not sure this is just due to the quantity of crystal on them.
I think you are right. they are interchangeable. And if we assume that the guys that have laid these blotters know what they are doing, then this is another indication for Amber crystal. Amber varies greatly from batch to batch. Silver or grey crystal, not so much.
The crystal quality has a huge influence on the trip. Especially on higher doses. (Even Albert Hofmann said so)
In chemistry 95%+ is called a "Perfect reaction".
Swiss bliss is exactly that, 95%+.
The only thing that is better than Swiss bliss(or white Fluff if you want to call it that) is Needlepoint. But that is hard to find these days.
"Orange Sunshine" was Needlepoint.
Here you can Download an interview with Nick Sand. He is the chemist that was responsible for "Orange Sunshine".(No it was not Owsley) So you can here it from himself.
http://www.theopiumden.net/chapters/?q=node/archives
Needlepoint: 99%+ is made in a completely controlled environment with exact precursor measurements and no problems during reactions and separations, absolutely no unreacted ergot-lines leftover.
fluff:95%+ made in mostly controlled environments with exact precursor measurements, but clandestine so not quite perfect reactions and separations but fairly good. No left over unreacted ergotlines, but other precursors may be leftover unreacted in very small amounts.
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Nice linkage HC. Would his have been the first needlepoint synthesis?
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Nice linkage HC. Would his have been the first needlepoint synthesis?
Great interview, isn't it :)...glad that i found, and can share this.
Everybody who thinks that the purity doesn't matter as long as the dosage is big enough should listen to this.
For all i know, yes it was the first needlepoint synthesis.
Delysid from Sandoz was "only" 95% pure.
As a pharmaceutical company, Sandoz obviously stopped at 95% . Its a "perfect reaction". Got to keep an eye on the costs. ;)
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...great work very interesting thread.
:D :D ;) ;)
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Nice topic Asbjorn. :)
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...back from the weekend, but missed the SALE completely....
first I took some of Gamma's lovely 2c-b Blotters, the after 5h I took half of Gamma's first self-laid acids, didn't feel much for an hour and took another acid blotter (AA's hofmanns)....the hofmanns are veryvery nice, but after the 2c-b nothing really could compare...first time 2c-b....AND I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!
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Aww, you did that wrong, dude! First acid, then 2c-b! :)
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Aww, you did that wrong, dude! First acid, then 2c-b! :)
...ok, didn't know that...next time...
but I didn't say your acid was nothing, it was just the wrong order I took the stuff. anyway thank u Gamma & AAkoven for that lovely weekend !! I will come back to you for sure !!!
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I really like this :) Maybe we can get this running on its own .onion site with an actual database set up so people can browse through it easier and upload ones they've received locally, etc.
Kinda like a more interpersonal erowid
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lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far too many people freak out at such high doses.
Even real 200ug is far too much for most people.
i think 200ug is perfect for an experienced psychonaut. Back in the 70's all of owsley's acid was dosed at exactly 250 micrograms. I believe acid should be as strong but stressed by the dealer to start out with half. the justification of cutting a product because you don't want them to freak out is illogical because you can just tell them to take less of a pure product
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Owsley's "white lightning" was dosed at 270ug, back in the 60's. 1970 he was arrested and spend 2 years in jail.
270ug (like "white lightning") -300ug (like"orange sunshine") is the perfect dose for an experienced Psychonaut, imho.
200ug is the threshold dose where LSD becomes psychedelic.
Besides that, i totally agree with you.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by "where LSD becomes psychedelic"?
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by "where LSD becomes psychedelic"?
Well..OK I'll try...still relearning English. ;)
This statement is based on my experience(I'm around for over 30 years now) and on declarations made by chemists i hang out with, back in the day.
With LSD, 200-300ug is considered a psychedelic dose. (Naturally varies from person to person)
100ug for example is called a "Disco dose". This dose is considered relatively save to ingest for people that are not that experienced with this substance.
Even when consumed in a party-like setting. But it is very unlikely that you have kind of a "Godhead-experience" with such a low dose.
I've never met someone that had a psychedelic breakthrough with a disco dose.
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Owsley's "white lightning" was dosed at 270ug, back in the 60's. 1970 he was arrested and spend 2 years in jail.
270ug (like "white lightning") -300ug (like"orange sunshine") is the perfect dose for an experienced Psychonaut, imho.
200ug is the threshold dose where LSD becomes psychedelic.
Besides that, i totally agree with you.
i stand corrected and do you know how much the yellow barrels were? or the Monterrey purple that jimi ate and then decided to fuck and light his guitar on fire? im asking because i always thought they were all 250
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Yellow barrels...i don't know. "Monterrey purple" or "Purple Haze" were also 270ug. Actually "Purple Haze" and White lightning" were 270-275ug. They were not as precisely dosed as "Orange sunshine" where every single pill had EXACTLY 300ug.
I've heard of a special batch "white lightning" that was made exclusively for Richard Alpert(Ram Dass). They had 305ug.
BTW Jimi was known for his heroic doses. One of his fellow Acid heads ones said something like: Jimi WAS LSD. whenever i took 3 hits he took 10 and could still play 2 guitars at a time.
:)
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I really don#t know about the doses of the common 90's EU blotters like Miraculix, Bart Simpsons,hofmans,...but the were all harder than any hit I got on here (never tried the dalais or mayas)...maybe somebody knows the strength of te older stuff...
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by "where LSD becomes psychedelic"?
Well..OK I'll try...still relearning English. ;)
This statement is based on my experience(I'm around for over 30 years now) and on declarations made by chemists i hang out with, back in the day.
With LSD, 200-300ug is considered a psychedelic dose. (Naturally varies from person to person)
100ug for example is called a "Disco dose". This dose is considered relatively save to ingest for people that are not that experienced with this substance.
Even when consumed in a party-like setting. But it is very unlikely that you have kind of a "Godhead-experience" with such a low dose.
I've never met someone that had a psychedelic breakthrough with a disco dose.
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Ah ok, we're talking breakthroughs...
Because i had a Hoffman, obtained in Berlin, and my friend turned into a wave of hundreds of water-like droplets and then re-formed again, and i thought that was quite 'psychedelic' ;D
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I have seen reports on the Dalai Llamas being tested at 140 (Source: the seller Asbjorn) and 180 (Source: tarpaulin from OVDB). Tarp also sold shivas at about 150mcg if I remember correctly.
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Here you can Download an interview with Nick Sand. He is the chemist that was responsible for "Orange Sunshine".(No it was not Owsley) So you can here it from himself.
http://www.theopiumden.net/chapters/?q=node/archives
Thanks for this, it was enlightening to listen to him.
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Excellent thread Asbjorn
I have a few corrections to make to some of the info from other people. None of this is fully authoritative, but it is based on having been around both European and American acid scenes on and off for decades, and also spending a fair amount of time on relevant forums.
Firstly, in terms of the info still in the OP - dancing bears are not GDF. As indicated in the comments from Tarp which sd4sd4 quoted, they are made by the same group as the Shivas and the Dalai Lamas. My understanding is that this is a Northern European group (usually assumed to be Dutch but I've heard it claimed they are actually based in Sweden) who routinely use the standard fluff synthesis for all of their crystal. It's generally stated that the dancing bears are, as someone put it, their 'disco dose' offering, the Shivas are their standard trademark batches and the Dalai are their high-end, high-dose version. My guess would be that the use of the dancing bear motif is a deliberate tribute to GDF, given that they are dosed with supposedly identical crystal at around the standard classic GDF dose of 100 mics / hit. But strictly speaking they are not GDF. GDF have never distributed in Europe on any kind of scale.
'Needlepoint' is not a higher grade of crystal than 'Swiss Bliss' and neither of these are technical terms. 'Needlepoint' is just US slang for very high grade crystal which takes on the distinctive appearance of tiny translucent needles. While it is true that Sand and others (including the British chemist Richard Kemp) went after a higher grade of purity than Sandoz, it's also true that Sandoz crystal reputedly had just the same 'needle-like' appearance. So basically 'needlepoint' and 'Swiss' are just different names for crystal made according the most classical synthesis methods which is purified to above 95%. The Swiss chemists actually produce various grades of crystal but all of them are very high purity and they all look basically like what Americans call 'needlepoint'. I've had both high-grade Swiss (in liquid form and on the Mayans) and GDF needlepoint in the past year and I would have to say that the Swiss feels purer, if anything.
I'm not sure what to make of gammagoblin's comments on the Dalais. I've never taken them but I've kind of followed their career vicariously and I have to say that this is almost the only set of such reports I've ever heard. I did read one guy on bluelight saying that he thought there was some kind of impurity on the Dalais but he was a bit of an idiot generally. I have to say that with very high-dose hits like that, if you're taking them at festivals in the middle of summer or whatever, then you can get all kinds of weird reactions just because you can get hot, dehydrated, forget to drink or eat for 12 hours, etc.
In terms of what the difference is between crystal types - there is a lot of nonsense talked on forums and there are some points which seem to be common to people who know what they are talking about. The nonsense generally revolves around things like physical symptoms or high levels of anxiety being produced by impurities. This mostly rubbish, because you can take a high dose of the purest acid in the world and there is absolutely no guarantee that you won't get symptoms ranging from stomach-cramps to a full-range bad trip. On the other hand, these might all be secondary symptoms which are made more likely by the primary difference between 'good' and 'bad' crystal...which is what exactly?
Well, the way that this is usually described, which I think is accurate, is to say that the key difference is that at high doses, purer crystal makes it much easier to retain a sense of mental clarity, whereas lower grade crystal becomes much more of a head-fuck. Please note the phrase 'easier'. 'Easier' does not mean 'guaranteed' - the fact that you have a head-fuck of a trip does not mean that you necessarily have bad crystal. Conversely, if you are an experienced and generally positive-minded tripper under good conditions, then you can have a fantastic time on low-grade amber.
Finally I would have to say that once you get into the higher grades of crystal - fluff, 'needlepoint', 'swiss' in various grades - then preferences between them seem to be often matters of personal taste, and the ways in which people react seem to vary between individuals. Some people do seem to have a better time on fluff than on needlepoint for example, and some people seem to find that the trip on fluff or on some grades of Swiss is somehow so 'refined' that it never reaches the pitch of intensity that they get from other kinds of needlepoint or even good-quality silver. Personally I like to have a choice although if I had to pick one it would be the best of the Swiss.
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All I can say is that HC really knows what he's talking about and I can't wait to see his review on our crystal (and I totally agree that 200-250 mics is where the fun really begins)
Altough your post, sitdown, also makes sense, especially when it comes to mental clarity. It would explain why few of my friends who tried 800-1200mics of our crystal could quite easily type a text messages on their cellphones, while they were surrounded and touched by alien beings :D
And about dalai lamas, I will just shut up, because the fact is that it could be a weird coincidence that so many people felt shitty afterwards. One thing I know - I would never touch them again.
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I just want to absolutely agree with the points about dosage. It's 200-250 where you really start tripping. Importantly, this means that if you take two hits and you are not tripping absolute balls then those hits were NOT dosed at 150ug, as so many are claimed to be. I've seen more than one person in this forum describe what they believed to be a 300ug trip which was so clearly nowhere close. Trust me if you really take 2x150ug you will KNOW that something big is happening.
On the dosage history - an interesting point. There is an interview online with Owsley somewhere where he says that they only set the doses so high in the late 60s because 250ug had become established as the standard dose sort of by accident, partly because it was what Hoffman took on his first trip. Owsley reports a conversation with Hoffman around 1970 in which Hoffman tells Owsley that 250 is way too much for a lot of people and that he should be making doses around 100. I believe this is when the standard family dose of 100 first got kind of established.
I have to say that overall I think the family tradition of issuing doses in units of 100 and just letting everyone know that you should take 2 or 3 for a real trip is still the best practice that anyone has established. In Europe we get this situation wherein most hits are only around 75 mics, but every couple of years there is a widely-distributed batch which is more like 200-250. The result of this is that lots of ordinary users are very nervous about taking multiple hits in case they get one of the strong batches, and as a result they just never really experience a full-blown trip - which leads to all this confusion about the reality of dosages.
I really applaud the enterprise of gammagoblin in laying their own sheets and I think more Europeans should do this. It's not that hard for an enterprising vendor to find their way up the supply chain, source some crystal, and lay it on some US-standard white watercolor paper. Everybody gets excited when one of these US vendors pops up claiming to be laying their own sheets not just because of the family mystique but also just because in practical terms it's the best way to ensure quality and consistent dosage from supplier to vendor. If one of the Europeans could start doing this with the good Swiss crystal then they would really be onto something...
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Heh imho the 200ug mark is when everything around you opens its eyes ;)
In the Nick Sand interview HC linked (everyone should listen to that!) he said that after 100ug became the norm you could take 1 hit for a "disco" dose, 2 hits for a psychedelic experience and 3 hits to see God :)
Owsley reports a conversation with Hoffman around 1970 in which Hoffman tells Owsley that 250 is way too much for a lot of people and that he should be making doses around 100. I believe this is when the standard family dose of 100 first got kind of established.
On this DVD http://www.liquidcrystalvision.com/highzzz.htm is a lecture given by Mark McCloud who talks about blotter art history and indirectly says that this tune down happened around the early/mid 80s (he mentions this when he's talking about an 1985 blotter with Albert Hofmann's face on it that by then they tuned down the dosage to 10.000 hits per gram).
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'Needlepoint' is not a higher grade of crystal than 'Swiss Bliss' and neither of these are technical terms. 'Needlepoint' is just US slang for very high grade crystal which takes on the distinctive appearance of tiny translucent needles. While it is true that Sand and others (including the British chemist Richard Kemp) went after a higher grade of purity than Sandoz, it's also true that Sandoz crystal reputedly had just the same 'needle-like' appearance. So basically 'needlepoint' and 'Swiss' are just different names for crystal made according the most classical synthesis methods which is purified to above 95%. The Swiss chemists actually produce various grades of crystal but all of them are very high purity and they all look basically like what Americans call 'needlepoint'. I've had both high-grade Swiss (in liquid form and on the Mayans) and GDF needlepoint in the past year and I would have to say that the Swiss feels purer, if anything.
Right. These are not technical terms. These are the terms that have been used on the circuit for years, and most people(at least all that i know), including myself, know it under these terms. The term "Needlepoint" was imported to EU a long time ago. So it's not only US slang anymore. Back in the 90's, there was not that much difference between Fluff and Needlepoint compared to nowadays. there were batches of Fluff at 96% around and batches that were called Needlepoint that had 98%.
Nowadays the LSD that is produced in an completely controlled environment(like i said in another post) is called Needlepoint. That would be LSD like that
that is produced by Prof. David Nichols at the Purdue university. That is absolutely the purest acid possible.
But back to "these are not technical terms"...that means they are not standardized. ...
That's how I know them.
I'm not sure what to make of gammagoblin's comments on the Dalais. I've never taken them but I've kind of followed their career vicariously and I have to say that this is almost the only set of such reports I've ever heard. I did read one guy on bluelight saying that he thought there was some kind of impurity on the Dalais but he was a bit of an idiot generally. I have to say that with very high-dose hits like that, if you're taking them at festivals in the middle of summer or whatever, then you can get all kinds of weird reactions just because you can get hot, dehydrated, forget to drink or eat for 12 hours, etc.
Meanwhile there are sooo many different Batches of these around that you never can be sure what you are getting. From my personal experience, i have to agree with
GammaGoblin.
Also, i have seen two different lab results of them. One said 170ug. The other one was a warning from a Drug testing organization that said "Caution 400ug". They were sold out within minutes. :D
What that warning didn't say was that they contained 250ug of d-LSD and 150ug ISO-LSD(which is not active.)
In terms of what the difference is between crystal types - there is a lot of nonsense talked on forums and there are some points which seem to be common to people who know what they are talking about. The nonsense generally revolves around things like physical symptoms or high levels of anxiety being produced by impurities. This mostly rubbish, because you can take a high dose of the purest acid in the world and there is absolutely no guarantee that you won't get symptoms ranging from stomach-cramps to a full-range bad trip. On the other hand, these might all be secondary symptoms which are made more likely by the primary difference between 'good' and 'bad' crystal...which is what exactly?
I agree that even the purest acid can cause some physical symptoms as you described. But these are psychosomatic.
But physical symptoms produced by impurities are not total nonsense. Unreacted ergot-lines(leftover ergot alkaloids) cause physical symptoms. Not as much as
real ergot poisoning, but they are not fun.
And a 'bad' crystal contains way more of these then a 'good' crystal does.
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All I can say is that HC really knows what he's talking about and I can't wait to see his review on our crystal (and I totally agree that 200-250 mics is where the fun really begins)
And i can't wait to try your crystal. Just send me 30-40mg and i will try it with great pleasure. ;D....kidding
I dropped so much acid the last couple of weeks that I'm going to wait 10-14 days before i give your trips a try. Want to give you a proper review.
But i had some liquid that came from your country a while back, and i REALLY liked it.
So i hope that you restock until next month. Since my coins were a little late there was not much left.
Namaste
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That Nick Sand interview is fascinating - thanks for that HC and for your other very interesting points.
(Of course Sand is mistaken in his claim that he was innovating in the mid-90s by putting out 100ug hits! But he admits he was basically completely out of touch with any acid scene from the moment he went on the run...)
And yes that 100-200-300 formulation is perfect :)
I've just read HC's earlier post about the difference between fluff and needlepoint. Apologies - I hadn't actually read that when I posted my comments on those terms and they weren't intended as a reply to HC's.
Yes HC's distinction makes perfect sense in terms of what I know (which is nothing with any certainty).
Generally 'fluff' seems to be associated with groups producing very large amounts in a clandestine situation but who retain a strong philosophical commitment to the ideal of producing pure acid (so GDF in the US and 'Shiva Family' in Europe - arguably the two main networks to enjoy a reputation for distributing white crystal over large populations). Fluff is supposed to be made using the synth techniques developed by Owsley, who was never actually a professional chemist, and so is supposed to be relatively easy to reproduce by those who have the commitment, and are willing to reduce their profit margins by getting significantly less final product than they would get from making amber.
'Needlepoint' does indeed generally mean that it's coming from a professionally-equipped lab somewhere, which doesn't happen as often as you might expect; at least not on any kind of scale. In Europe the traditional centers from which it was distributed have been Switzerland and Czech. I don't know why this is, although it's easy enough to speculate (I guess they're both places where for various historical, social, economic, political, cultural reasons, it has been quite easy for chemists to get access to good facilities without being subject to much supervision). The actual final product hasn't traditionally been distributed from those locations, but has been laid or pressed into microdots in NL, from where it's distributed.
That's how I understand it anyway but it could all be wrong.
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Lots of interesting stuff getting discussed here, thanks guys. Would like to participate in the content but do not really have the time at the moment. Keep on going though :)
I will make sure to read all of it and keep updating the information in the first post. That way we should be able to keep refining the information we get.
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Juergen2001 is selling what looks to be a new batch of high-potency blotters. They're called 'Mayan' and have a Mayan design, but the design seems to be completely different from the Swiss Mayan Calendars.
Suggest adding them to the list of things we want info about.
As usual Juergen is claiming an improbably high dosage (300) and charging an appropriately inflated price - although he seems like basically a decent guy - so it would be nice to get some accurate data, or merely some objective reports.
I am quite tempted to order a strip and test them just to see how far off the dosage actually is ;)
Having said that - the norm is for the first run of a new batch to be stronger than the later runs, so as to establish the reputation of the print: normally if you can get in on the first run or two of a new print, you can end up getting a very good ug/$ deal. So maybe they really are that strong, or close (and Asbjorn mate it might be worth you having a word with your suppliers to ask about these ones?? If they are a new high-potency batch on the market, could be worth making inquiries...)
In fact I wonder if we should try to establish a small group of experienced heads to make a point of routinely testing these things and posting reviews. The ideal of securing lab-test results is obviously the holy grail; although even that wouldn't actually give any information about crystal quality, unless someone could get access to full on spectrum analysis, which would be fantastic but when is it going to happen?
But I think a small group of us who all have a common reference point (for example, I still have a few of Enelysion's WoW - pretty well guaranteed to be a straight 100ug of white fluff per hit), who can undertake to test product under controlled circumstances as far as possible, could provide a good service to the community in offering reliable reports. Just a thought...
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I would just like to add that I've read LSD does degrade over time due to oxygen, temperature, and light. I've noticed the acid I've gotten has varied in potency, somewhat I'm sure due to how much was put on it when it was laid, but also some, possibly significant amount disappeared due to degradation.
I've heard the ideal storage is in a vavuum at low temperature without light, and the closest I can come is in a ziplock with the air sucked out of it stored in a cold place in a box that doesn't allow light. I'm not sure whether contact with the plastic that is the zip lock bag is transferring some of the LSD or destroying it.
Perhaps someone could chime in with more accurate information if I'm mistaken. Hopefully some discussion can assist us all in maintaining our LSD's potency once we obtain it.
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I would just like to add that I've read LSD does degrade over time due to oxygen, temperature, and light. I've noticed the acid I've gotten has varied in potency, somewhat I'm sure due to how much was put on it when it was laid, but also some, possibly significant amount disappeared due to degradation.
I've heard the ideal storage is in a vavuum at low temperature without light, and the closest I can come is in a ziplock with the air sucked out of it stored in a cold place in a box that doesn't allow light. I'm not sure whether contact with the plastic that is the zip lock bag is transferring some of the LSD or destroying it.
Perhaps someone could chime in with more accurate information if I'm mistaken. Hopefully some discussion can assist us all in maintaining our LSD's potency once we obtain it.
If you store your blotter inside tinfoil, put that tinfoil inside a sealed ziploc bag and put that in the freezer, it will last longer than your lineage.
Heat and light are troublesome for LSD. Contact with the air isn't that harmful, but humidity is deadly - that's probably why you heard that vacuum sealing is the way to go.
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Horizons is correct
There's a long-running debate about whether foil is a good idea outside of the freezer or fridge. There's an old belief among the deadheads that keeping blotters wrapped in foil degrades them because of some kind of chemical reaction. I've seen forum posts debunking this scientifically but I don't know how authoritative they were, or whether the belief ever had a scientific basis to begin with. A friend of mine suggested recently that maybe at high ambient temperatures, foil will actually start to 'bake' blotters and exacerbate heat degradation....I have no idea really... could be...
I've heard of people keeping them just wrapped in a piece of paper inside a book in a cool room and them staying good for years.
But basically the thing is to freeze them. As long as they are kept waterproof in the freezer you don't need to worry much about oxygen because they will be too cold for any reaction to take place. It's the same with any chemical - if its structure is not damaged by freezing, then freezing it will preserve it more or less indefinitely, because it maintains it in a state of molecular stasis.
I guess the same principle applies if you vacuum seal them - if you do that then again, there shouldn't be anything for the acid to react with even if it gets warm. But I have stored blotters and microdots in a freezer for years and years without vacuum sealing with no loss of potency.
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Great thread, I'll be sure to keep a watch on this one ^_^ Got some Red Ganeshas coming in this week, I already knew they were a low dose, vendor said around 60ug's, it was a reasonable price as well, and I was just desperate to get at least something in as I am leaving for a short vacation this week as well. But I'll be taking three hits at once and see if I get anything so I will report back on that.
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- but anything we've ever put in a freezer ends up with some moisture, how do you keep it dry but still -5 -> 2 deg?! -someones commented on my point suggesting add silica gel obsorbing packs?!
freezing temps do kill molecules, again this is an issue of organic versus inorganic, aren't plant material and meat affected by freezing
dunno i'm not a biologist.
you take something out and with the temp difference you end up with surface moisture ...?! so
- i posted in a previous thread that even a trip stored in a mini zip lock for a few yrs also seemed to result in a dud?!
- if lsd is possibly sticking to the plastic zip lock why wouldnt it stick to foil or paper for that matter?! -but this is just surface to surface, the material has been fully
obsorbed by the blotter?!
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- but anything we've ever put in a freezer ends up with some moisture, how do you keep it dry but still -5 -> 2 deg?! -someones commented on my point suggesting add silica gel obsorbing packs?!
freezing temps do kill molecules, again this is an issue of organic versus inorganic, aren't plant material and meat affected by freezing
dunno i'm not a biologist.
you take something out and with the temp difference you end up with surface moisture ...?! so
- i posted in a previous thread that even a trip stored in a mini zip lock for a few yrs also seemed to result in a dud?!
- if lsd is possibly sticking to the plastic zip lock why wouldnt it stick to foil or paper for that matter?! -but this is just surface to surface, the material has been fully
obsorbed by the blotter?!
I don't know what to tell you man. Only that I and many people I know have stored hundreds of hits for years and years using the method described by horizons without any loss of potency.
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- understood....those are my thoughts about moisture..perhaps all that is being a pedantic..out of heat, light & moisture may be enough.. :P
- which makes you think about posting, could enough uva light get to trips to deplete their strength, perhaps then foil would be useful to shield..?! who knows what
postal services put them thru...?!
- the OCR devices already scan the front to pick off the address, like a xerox / photo copier thats pretty intense light.
- would pieces of foil in an envelope attract more attention on a scan or is the uva enough when the blot glows -customs / postal service would be pretty pleased
with themselves having destroyed a trip and delivered a piece of paper in return.
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*bump*
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LSD is an unstable molecule. But it is not nearly as sensitive as most people think.
Just put the blotter in plastic wrap, then in tinfoil and store it in the fridge. I'm doing it this way for years and never noticed any loss of potency.
Just don't over think it. ;)
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Juergen2001 is selling what looks to be a new batch of high-potency blotters. They're called 'Mayan' and have a Mayan design, but the design seems to be completely different from the Swiss Mayan Calendars.
Suggest adding them to the list of things we want info about.
As usual Juergen is claiming an improbably high dosage (300) and charging an appropriately inflated price - although he seems like basically a decent guy - so it would be nice to get some accurate data, or merely some objective reports.
I am quite tempted to order a strip and test them just to see how far off the dosage actually is ;)
Having said that - the norm is for the first run of a new batch to be stronger than the later runs, so as to establish the reputation of the print: normally if you can get in on the first run or two of a new print, you can end up getting a very good ug/$ deal. So maybe they really are that strong, or close (and Asbjorn mate it might be worth you having a word with your suppliers to ask about these ones?? If they are a new high-potency batch on the market, could be worth making inquiries...)
So, did you order a strip?
I think it is pretty safe to say that they don't have 300ug. ;)
I only know this print as DOI. Bought some of these last year because everybody told me that it is really clean, strong acid. But they had never taken DOI before.
I'm not saying he is selling DOI. I guess it is a different batch.
In fact I wonder if we should try to establish a small group of experienced heads to make a point of routinely testing these things and posting reviews. The ideal of securing lab-test results is obviously the holy grail; although even that wouldn't actually give any information about crystal quality, unless someone could get access to full on spectrum analysis, which would be fantastic but when is it going to happen?
But I think a small group of us who all have a common reference point (for example, I still have a few of Enelysion's WoW - pretty well guaranteed to be a straight 100ug of white fluff per hit), who can undertake to test product under controlled circumstances as far as possible, could provide a good service to the community in offering reliable reports. Just a thought...
I think that is a GREAT Idea!
When I started traveling the silk road, i was very disappointed when i ordered some tabs with great reviews and they turned out to be...disappointing. ;)
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Sadly the founding father of this thread is no longer with us, and the information on page one can‘t get updated anymore.
But i think this thread can be incredibly helpful to a lot of Acidheads out there. So i will try to keep it alive. I hope you guys are with me.
I‘ll post the Page 1 information right here so they can be updated regularly.
@Asbjorn
thanks for starting this.
Good bye, and good luck.
oh...and please don‘t forget to send me my WoW ;)
Namaste
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BUDDHAs/CARTOON SHIVAs/BLUE SHIVAs/LORD SHIVAs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/5bd066453a2aff5dfc6bcd5a2f7f3a2f.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg
Dosage: 80-100µg (lab)
Crystal(purity):grey/amber(70-75% purity est.)
This is one of the 3 main European commercial blotters. On the backside these Buddhas have a simple ink drawing similar to the front of the blotter. Some fakes were around that contained LSD analog's instead of real LSD .
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GANESHAs/SHIVAs (Art by Alex Grey)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d29e658ebd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e89.jpg
Dosage: 80-90µg (lab)
Crystal(purity): grey/amber(70-75% purity est.)
Another one of the main commercial blotters. The print quality and perforation on these blotters are reported to have developed negatively. Few hits here and there get called bunk. Some fakes were around that contained LSD analog's instead of real LSD
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HOFMANNs - "The Original"
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/1dca4dcf1d1752201748cf8981d60b93.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a773bc86fe465f000c3395612353ccdf.jpg
Dosage: 75-100µg (lab)
Crystal(purity): ?
And the third one. Info to backside required. Are not to be confused with the 2010 Hofmanns which were 140ug. Artwork is a variation on the regular Hoffman design.
Some fakes were around that contained LSD analog's instead of real LSD .
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AVATARs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/11c831ca981db04dfb48d919ed0910cf.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=fa5d73c72eb1160b00cd25ce69bd1fdc.jpg
Dosage: 150µg+ (est)
Crystal(purity): silver(90% est.)
Have been around since 2011. Lab test required. A few fakes of these blotters were around, but no major infiltration. Artwork from the movie.
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DALAI LAMAs (Art by Alex Grey)
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/67e2e2e417868263a5f9225730c29059.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/8f45e48b51550c9381007b364956d293.jpg
Dosage: 185µg(lab)
Crystal: white(95%+/- est.)
Mid- to High range on the European market. These are not to be confused with the Ganeshas as both get called Alex Greys sometimes. People love this acid.
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MAYAN CALENDERS
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad70eefef3.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a8fd39e9f852c7227254a346d226e7d8.jpg
Dosage: 250µg (lab)
Crystal: Swiss Bliss
European high-end blotters. Few batches were claimed to be bunk. Has not been around as of lately. No info on artwork. No fakes known of.
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FAT FREDDY'S CATs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/f091dae52e31aa78f9056cb501d6ea56.jpg
Backside required.
Dosage:170µg+/-(est.)
Crystal: 80% est.
Need more information!
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DANCING BEARS
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/e9ed10989d102442e0ae24e0f2b3f10c.jpg
Backside required.
Dosage: 110µg
Probably from a European source and a tribute to GDF. Is good. No info on artwork. Few different versions of this print around, not sure about the quality of those.
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SHIVAs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/4168e836db8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/72de50b62c719b088c5459accc5d1c47.jpg
Dosage: 150µg+/-
crystal(purity): white(95%+/-)
This blotter pops up know and then. European origin.
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KRISHNAs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d08e99307736aec8ccc20b6b3c7dd0eb.jpg
Dosage: 130-140µg(lab)
Crystal(purity): Silver(85% est.)
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THE SUNs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/f17c1a61846f341bfdb19fcb62fb0172.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/8b32c5af7bffedbe2a9472b2d39079ee.jpg
Dosage: 130µg (lab)
Crystal:
Need more information!
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RED GANESHAs
Pics needed.
Dosage: 30-80µg (est)
Crystal: Unknown
Fucked up at production level.
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FLYING KEYs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=c2890d44d06bafb6c7b4aa194857ccbc.jpg
Dosage: 30-60µg (est)
Crystal: Unknown
Fucked up at production level.
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St. ALBERTs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=20a331529685abb2da23e0ae975eca4e.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=c96e576d4425c0f077ac26d2d2a033a3.jpg
Dosage:100µg +/- (est.)
Crystal: ?
Few different versions of this print around, not sure about the quality of those.
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MAYAS
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=a71fb7b68b6359ddaa4b9530b808e7de.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=edd480eecf9326767eed7cc9cfcbbd38.jpg
Dosage: 225µg +/-
crystal(purity): white (98%+ est.)
European high-end blotters. Artwork is the Aztec Sunstone.
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MAYAN CALENDERS 2012
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=ae7aa55e0b9fa50a91c8a66ef7dd28ed.jpg
Dosage:110µg+/- (est)
Crystal:white
Blotter sold by Tony76. The print has changed, but still same crystal and potency.
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PURPLE LOTUS
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=baeb3c6708fbf0a44684f0410992e79d.jpeg
Dosage: 70µg+/- (est.)
Crystal(purity): Pink(80% est.)
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HOFMANN "BICYCLES"
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=737a47e27ae2bd8188b16ffba9935003.jpg
Dosage: 130-150µg
crystal(purity): silver(85%+ est.)
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WoW (recent batches)
Dosage: 100-120µg+/-
crystal(purity):white/Fluff(90%+)
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FLOWER OF LIFE
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=b63031fe704d3ca8539825a05440c74f.jpg
Dosage: 100µg+ (est.)
crystal(purity): white (90%+)
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YIN YANG DOLPHINs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=6bf3aad56f3b17e05ec164f982a94e1e.jpg
Dosage: 100µg +/-
Crystal(purity): Silver (90%+/-)
Very good and clean. Lovely Acid.
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ALICE IN WONDERLAND
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=1cbbef8df00ca87ff1c1dd5e5a7fbc21.jpeg
Dosage:100µg+/- (est.)
Crystal: grey?
Mixed reviews.
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HOFMANN "5 Star"
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=5afc0e8a7cd494ee1764f95492e5aef7.jpeg
Dosage: 90µg+/-(est.)
Crystal(purity): grey/amber(70%+/- est.)
Very mixed reviews, ranging from "decent" to "no effect at all". Mislaid?
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Black Microdots
Dosage: 80-100µg
Crystal:
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Information on the following blotter is still required: St. Albert, Fat Freddy's Cat, Alice in Wonderland, Hofmann "5 Star",
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If you know more than this post, do say so
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Thanks HC - let's try to keep it going indeed.
No I didn't order a strip of the Mayan yet. I may not bother, following that information...
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It was not my intention to steer anyone away from these Trips. I have not ordered them from Juergen2001. I can not say anything about the batch he is selling at the moment.
Just making it clear.
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It was not my intention to steer anyone away from these Trips. I have not ordered them from Juergen2001. I can not say anything about the batch he is selling at the moment.
Just making it clear.
Understood - I didn't think you were. Anyone wants to post a review I'll be delighted...
In other news - I should probably draw people's attention to the fact that Envious now has good ol' Grateful Dead Family WoW laid from high-grade fluff, on sale on SR. I'll be posting a review next week, here and probably in a dedicated thread, but don't wait for that - those of who know envy from OVDB or other places know that he has a solid-gold rep, and I know that everyone who has tried this acid has loved it.
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So nice to hear that sitdown.
My pecunix account has been funded today :D
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.... just got some mayans from a different source (locally). they looked like the picture from juergen, but it was for sure one completely different source...but it was no acid....i have 20+years of enormous LSD & MDMA & Speed e´xperience...believe me or not ( more than 2kgs of xtc/amph/ acid (ok, no kgs, but gramms of cid, i would say +1000hits over the past 20 years)...and I know the lovestuff of the 90's (bart simpson, miraculix(the original one with the big magic kettle)...I'm not sure which one juergen sells, but be carefull aboutr some DXX's....if you love acid, you won't love the Dxx's imo...
no offend to juergen !!! just be carefull what you order...some fuckin FamilyForevers going around.... this guys won't be near to my home, cause they wouldn't make it home !!!!!!!!! only in some coffin!!!!!
Love & Peace
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Glad envious is selling, his product is guaranteed to be good shit. Too bad the prices are so high...
I miss Ene's $355 sheets of WoW :'( why god why
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.... just got some mayans from a different source (locally). they looked like the picture from juergen, but it was for sure one completely different source...but it was no acid....i have 20+years of enormous LSD & MDMA & Speed e´xperience...believe me or not ( more than 2kgs of xtc/amph/ acid (ok, no kgs, but gramms of cid, i would say +1000hits over the past 20 years)...and I know the lovestuff of the 90's (bart simpson, miraculix(the original one with the big magic kettle)...I'm not sure which one juergen sells, but be carefull aboutr some DXX's....if you love acid, you won't love the Dxx's imo...
no offend to juergen !!! just be carefull what you order...some fuckin FamilyForevers going around.... this guys won't be near to my home, cause they wouldn't make it home !!!!!!!!! only in some coffin!!!!!
Love & Peace
I wouldn't totally agree with ".if you love acid, you won't love the Dxx's imo..."
Yeah ok.. you probably wont love them.
Lets be honest there is nothing like LSD :)I know people that took acid daily for almost 20 years and are still..incredibly healthy.
DOB/M/I (i don't like DOC)have there Quality's but you can't take them too often. The health risks are pretty high. I'm pretty sure one could kill himself by taking 4 of GammaGoblins DOB blotters.
And that is the point. You should know exactly what you are getting in to and then decide for yourself.
..there is no word that can describe how i feel about people that sell...WHATEVER as LSD.
It makes me sad but i have to ask..
If you have ordered some 'Mayas' from Juergen would you please do a test!?! no offend to Juergen!! Just thinking about everybody's safety.
http://azarius.net/healthshop/drug_tests/
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/20607
http://www.eztest.com/2/
I still have a 5-strip of his 'St.Albert' trips siting here for weeks. I'll test them...well first on myself...asap.
I don't think that Juergen is...one of those people
But now i want to know for sure.
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I've just received a strip of the mayans from, juergen... will test for everyone when I have a chance, however realistically not for a couple of weeks.
I'm a noob lsd user so not sure how valid my review would be anyway, my only trips so far were created by Johnnydeals Krishnas which I thought were fantastic!
1st trip I took 1 and the second trip I took 1.5 and while my apartment's walls didn't COMPLETELY melt, shit was definately going down in a good way! :D
I have ordered from juergen before and find him to be among the best vendors on SR, from his service to his product quality so here's hoping these are the real goods.
Personally I'd be happy for them to be 200mics
Anyways, would love it if a few more people reviewed these before I take the plunge..
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- but anything we've ever put in a freezer ends up with some moisture, how do you keep it dry but still -5 -> 2 deg?! -someones commented on my point suggesting add silica gel obsorbing packs?!
freezing temps do kill molecules, again this is an issue of organic versus inorganic, aren't plant material and meat affected by freezing
dunno i'm not a biologist.
you take something out and with the temp difference you end up with surface moisture ...?! so
- i posted in a previous thread that even a trip stored in a mini zip lock for a few yrs also seemed to result in a dud?!
- if lsd is possibly sticking to the plastic zip lock why wouldnt it stick to foil or paper for that matter?! -but this is just surface to surface, the material has been fully
obsorbed by the blotter?!
My storage technique:
Each tab is individually wrapped tightly in aluminum foil, there go into a baggy with the seal left open, not sealed closed. I label the baggy, then that goes into a an airtight glass jar, which has dessicant/silical gel packets inside. The dessicant/silica gel absorbs something like 10x its own weight in moisture, put them inside a small air tight jar and even if some condensation occurs when u take the jar out the fridge, the dessicant keeps the inside of the jar dry. Even if there is a touch of moisture inside the tin foil somehow, cos theyre individually wrapped, when i dose, i lik the tinfoil too to be sure.
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@qetuoljgdaxvn: really looking forward to hearing your review!
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I've just received a strip of the mayans from, juergen... will test for everyone when I have a chance, however realistically not for a couple of weeks.
I'm a noob lsd user so not sure how valid my review would be anyway, my only trips so far were created by Johnnydeals Krishnas which I thought were fantastic!
1st trip I took 1 and the second trip I took 1.5 and while my apartment's walls didn't COMPLETELY melt, shit was definately going down in a good way! :D
I have ordered from juergen before and find him to be among the best vendors on SR, from his service to his product quality so here's hoping these are the real goods.
Personally I'd be happy for them to be 200mics
Anyways, would love it if a few more people reviewed these before I take the plunge..
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If you are not that experienced with psychedelics in general, it could be difficult for you to tell the different substances apart. maybe..
But at this point almost any kind of review would be interesting to hear.
It would be really helpful for everybody, and safer for yourself, if you would order an ez-test.
these are some links where you can order them.:
EU: http://azarius.net/healthshop/drug_tests/
USA: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/20607
International:http://www.eztest.com/2/
I really hope these are the real goods too.
If a top ranked vendor like Juergen were selling some RC as LSD... :o :( >:(
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http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d08e99307736aec8ccc20b6b3c7dd0eb.jpg
this past summer a friend of mine got a sheet that had the exact same Ganesha pattern on the back that these do. However, I think the front was different... I think it was a buddha... I never actually saw the whole sheet but it was more yellow/orangish on the front. They were good-medium quality, so I doubt they were 140ug like the krishnas are supposed to be. Anybody seen what I'm talking about?
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u guys will be hard pressed to ever see ene's prices again. we don't even see ene's prices on the private scene. unless someone shows up with 100k to drop on acid and a gdf connect. u guys were spoiled and u don't even realize it.. u think thats how it is.. its just not unless u are ridiculously rich and connected.
also there is a reason silk road is more expensive then real life, or private scene, or ovdb...
vendors have to account for the fact that half the people aren't gonna finalize and are gonna have to wait 17 days to get your money coz people are so fucking lazy they can't sign on and finalize. price is guaranteed going to fluctuate in that time. this is why i am gonna keep a list of all users who wait for auto finalize and never sell to them again. i also might start requiring early finalizations for 0/0 users if they think they can get around this by making a new account. escrow is good but it really sucks from a sellers standpoint. u would never give ur money to some third party in real life while you did a drug deal and then expect the customer to call the third party and say ok yeah give the dude his money i got my product. sounds pretty ridiculous, especially when u realize that once people get drugs the last thing they are gonna do is get on the computer. also you are placing your money in sr's hands which could potentially go down at any time and who knows if the backup address is actually gonna work.
then you got to account for packaging (more expensive than it sounds), gas to drive to far away mailboxes every time, sr's 10% fee, conversion and washing fees, laundering fees, labor (need help sometimes to package 20 orders a day), safe house cost, and i'm not even hedging.
comparing sr prices to street prices is like comparing eggs to beef. yeah they both got protein but they are two completely different things.
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but basically the main reason prices are higher is escrow. you guys want to be protected from scammers then you have to pay a premium for the service, thats just the way it is.
to clarify i am not offended i just trying to explain why it costs more.
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The economics of the LSD community have always made me laugh.
First off, let's start with the price per hour of intoxication. LSD is cheaper than nearly every drug besides cannabis in these terms...and LSD requires a relatively complicated synthesis in a lab using hard to find precursors. Cannabis damn near grows itself.
Second, unlike many drugs, you can't really use LSD frequently, so if you take the perspective of "if I do drug X as many times as I like (and am able) during the year, I would spend Y dollars per year", so people should be willing to pay much more for LSD than they do...if the price had been established long ago that a good solid trip cost $50 or $100, I think people would have been fine with it.
Third, quality reliable supply is almost nonexistent, and demand is extremely high. A vendor could setup shop in the US selling sheets for $750 and if the acid is as claimed, people will bitch and call him greedy and beg him to hold a sheet for them while they get the money together.
This hippy nonsense about sharing the love blah blah blah...I love you guys, but seriously? It's nice if people want to spit in the face of economics, but understand they were essentially giving you free money by selling at a price under the supply/demand curve. You can't be upset when reality sets in.
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@friendly,
I totally agree with what your saying, but in my opinion a lot of the animosity comes from the high prices for the low quality / RC's that tend to be what you run across half the time anymore. Or getting product advertised as 250mic thats probably closer to 40mic of clean d-LSD, maybe another 210ug of different unfiltered states of erg.
I'd happily pay top dollar for good clean LSD that came with a HPLC report on the purity.
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I totally agree with envious. SR is a special case and you can't compare the prices here to the real life prices.
A lot of people just don't have a real life connection(anymore) and that is the reason they buy on SR.
I don't know the US market very well, but the real life prices in Europe are not that high, in case your connect is even remotely good.
I'm out for a while, but a few years back, the price for low quality euro blotter was at about 80cent when you bought 5000 tabs. 100tabs for 380€.
The Quality was comparable to the Ganeshas and cartoon shivas.
I never had to buy them because i had access to high quality crystal(over the course of 11 years. So "quality reliable supply is almost nonexistent"?) that i got for a good price . So i could sell it really cheap and still make 100% profit. Is 500-1000% really necessary!?
+ I was/am totally into the "hippy nonsense about sharing the love". LSD should be free imo. But producing a high quality product costs money. That's the reality.
But if you see it just as a business you would be stupid to not make the kind of profit that is possible.
Times have changed
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Pricing is a complicated thing. Where I live, LSD is extremely hard to come by. A single hit on the street will se you back about 15 USD, sometimes more. And you're lucky if the guy can sell you more than four. For me, buying on SR is a lot cheaper than buying on the streets, especially if I buy bulk - which isn't even an option in my local IRL market.
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Just wanted to chime in and say the GANESHAs/SHIVAs (Art by Alex Grey) are not worth the price they were going for here. Clean, enjoyable I suppose but not powerful at all. Disappointed.
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@Scuba Steve
I agree. It is one of the reasons I've moved to wow.
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@momiji, hopefully you restock soon. I took a chance with tony76's untested acid, it can't be worse than what I just ate. I'm afraid I'm going to eat the remaining 4 tabs and still only have a mild trip even with a super large bong hit. the 150ug claim is just absurd. I reckon they were 40ug a tab at best. Some of the best wow I ever had was from philly. 1 tab and the world was melting, my friend and I had to hide in our tent for 20 minutes because it hit so hard but after we got comfortable we explored the festival and had an amazing time :)
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I can get 200-250µg euro tabs, but they are not financially feasible to sell.
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I can get 200-250µg euro tabs, but they are not financially feasible to sell.
Hey how much for the 200-250ug tabs i have been looking for strong tabs domestically, disregards the price. I am understandable that it will be a bit more expensive. How much do you think?
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Dalai Lamas?
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Fat&freddy’s 200-250mic
I haven't personally tried them so I don't know if they are 200 or 250µg, but they are not the 120µg knockoffs.
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...on the subject on costs...as long as sellers don't forget that delivery alone can take 5-14 days (a guesstamite) for international
and when sellers don't indicate somethings been posted the days quickly add up otherwise i have no objection paying for what i've bought..
;)
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Hello Acid lovers , Check out my stock on SR!
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Hello Acid lovers , Check out my stock on SR!
;)
Hmm...i think i'll try them soon but...
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/38acdf75d9
If these are "Home-made blotter 250ug" then you could give us some more information about them.
What kind of crystal did you use?
How pure is it in %?
Are the 250ug the crystal dosage or the pure LSD dosage?
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also there is a reason silk road is more expensive then real life, or private scene, or ovdb...
vendors have to account for the fact that half the people aren't gonna finalize and are gonna have to wait 17 days to get your money coz people are so fucking lazy they can't sign on and finalize. price is guaranteed going to fluctuate in that time. this is why i am gonna keep a list of all users who wait for auto finalize and never sell to them again. i also might start requiring early finalizations for 0/0 users if they think they can get around this by making a new account. escrow is good but it really sucks from a sellers standpoint. u would never give ur money to some third party in real life while you did a drug deal and then expect the customer to call the third party and say ok yeah give the dude his money i got my product. sounds pretty ridiculous, especially when u realize that once people get drugs the last thing they are gonna do is get on the computer. also you are placing your money in sr's hands which could potentially go down at any time and who knows if the backup address is actually gonna work.
then you got to account for packaging (more expensive than it sounds), gas to drive to far away mailboxes every time, sr's 10% fee, conversion and washing fees, laundering fees, labor (need help sometimes to package 20 orders a day), safe house cost, and i'm not even hedging.
comparing sr prices to street prices is like comparing eggs to beef. yeah they both got protein but they are two completely different things.
- i don't disagree with any of your points, but the other factor is 'computers' -are supposed to help bring the cost of a process down, but does it?!
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[SUMMARY: This is a trip report after taking half of one of juergen2001’s Mayas. I had a bad trip, but this was not the fault of the acid itself. I have tried my best to distinguish between my individual experience and the “objective” qualities of the acid. Sorry for the excessive length of the post.]
Recently I received a 5-strip of juergen2001’s Mayas. In eager anticipation of a high-dose trip that I was planning to have with these on the weekend, on a whim I convinced myself that it would be a good idea to prematurely “test” a half-tab beforehand.
I’m an idiot. What ensued was a 8+ hour nightmare in my head. I experienced mega paranoia and headfuck. I’m pretty sure this was because my set and setting were all wrong rather than the fault of the acid. I had some hours alone, but had to interact with non-trippers for some of the trip, and became totally wigged out with negative thoughts, worry, and fear. I guess I deserve it for being too eager to trip and not just waiting until the setting was right. Lesson learned (again!). Luckily I am feeling back to normal after sleeping it off. I woke up this morning and was incredibly grateful for my sanity.
Since it was such a low dose trip, I don’t feel that I can give an overly extensive or fair review of the Mayas, but I will say a few things:
I underestimated the strength of these. Whilst I wasn’t launched flying out into space, I was definitely insane for the day. I experienced significant euphoria and OEVs, albeit milder and with less intensity than what one would experience on a standard dose. In the first half of the trip, my thoughts were racing very fast, and I found it impossible to sit still or concentrate on anything. I was buzzing around like a tweaker with mega ADD. The whole experience was overwhelming because it was more than I bargained for. I was shocked that half of a tab could be so strong. By the second half of the trip, I was able to sit down in one place, but was still very fidgety. I experienced some incredibly negative thoughts about myself that left me feeling really depressed. It was so mentally exhausting. I felt like one half of my brain was at war with the other. (It should be noted that I have a history of depression and anxiety and am not at a particularly good place in my life right now, so I shouldn’t really be surprised that I had such a bad trip.)
This was the most incredibly CLEAN feeling LSD I have ever experienced (having tripped 11 times now on varying doses - usually low to medium, but some high - over a period of about 6 years). I could not believe how clean it felt. I am very overweight and don’t look after myself too well, so I usually experience terrible, heavy bodyload on acid, with my stomach gurning badly, especially on the comedown. This is usually noticeable for me even on low dose trips. I didn’t have any of these problems on the half tab of the Mayas. It was a really nice, speedy euphoric high that I enjoyed very much before things got out of control.
I stopped tripping after about 8-10 hours, but still felt very weirded out and paranoid afterwards. I wasn’t able to sleep until about 17 hours after dropping the acid. I suffer from insomnia and usually find it very difficult to fall asleep under any conditions, and especially after taking acid. I didn’t notice any significant CEVs and wouldn’t really expect them on such a low dose.
It felt very different to acid I have taken in the past. However, I think this may be because I was mainly getting lower quality, less pure stuff over the years (I assume amber crystal grade). As far as I can tell from the half-tab I took, the Mayas seem to be great quality acid. A higher dose of these in the right setting has the potential to be pretty damn amazing. As stated, I just wasn’t in the right headspace or physical setting and had a difficult trip – this was nothing to do with the acid itself.
I would assume that these are not an RC. However, I have never taken RCs before and don't really know how to tell the difference, so please don't take my word for it without testing them for yourself. I've tried to research the effects of LSD vs. DOx on various Internet forums, but it's still hard to know without having tried each substance individually, since the effects are reputedly so similar. LSD tends to feel different to me every time I take it, depending on my mood, dose, setting, the strength of the blotter, and purity of the crystal. The Maya tab felt like acid - just much more clean-feeling acid than usual and quite strong. It took about an hour to come up, which is pretty standard for me.
Unfortunately I’m scared to trip again for a while after this experience. I really shouldn’t mess with this stuff until I get some shit sorted out. On a more positive note, today I feel much happier and motivated to try harder in the aspects of my life that are lacking. I guess bad trips are sometimes useful in exposing aspects of your life that need improvement and therefore help us to become better people.
[WARNING: I just want to remind people that taking half of a tab of acid is nothing like taking half of a pill or drinking half of a beer. I read some disgusting posts on Bluelight where some people claimed that they even drive on low dose LSD trips!! (After giving it some thought, I’m convinced that no one on Bluelight actually really takes drugs and that it’s just a bunch of kids writing bullshit, but that’s not the point – driving on any substance is just fucking irresponsible and shameful). Don’t be stupid. Get your set and setting right or be prepared to be kicked in the arse. Low dose acid is still acid, just less intense than a higher dose trip. I’m ashamed of myself for throwing caution to the wind and disrespecting psychedelics in the way that I just did. Acid is not something to be taken casually in the middle of the week when you are unprepared. Be warned - this stuff can literally send you mad.]
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..i don't believe a half would have had such a strong effect, not on me...sorry
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..i don't believe a half would have had such a strong effect, not on me...sorry
+1
BUT....i never tripped like blockrockinbeats....11 times over the course of 6 years....
i guess 11times that was my first month with L...
How can one compare these experiences....?
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..i don't believe a half would have had such a strong effect, not on me...sorry
+1
BUT....i never tripped like blockrockinbeats....11 times over the course of 6 years....
i guess 11times that was my first month with L...
How can one compare these experiences....?
Haha, I didn't think half a hit would do anything either!! That's why I freaked the fuck out when it was so strong.
Perhaps I don't have much tolerance - the last time I tripped before this was a month ago. And as stated, I've spaced out my trips over the course of several years.
Edit: Also, if you read my post correctly, I did say that the euphoria and OEVs were much MILDER and LESS INTENSE than a standard dose. The problem was that I had a massive panic attack, so everything probably seemed like a bigger deal than it really was. You are free to dismiss my report if you don't believe me, but I assure you I am not trolling or making this shit up - it happened. I took the half as soon as I woke up, without having eaten anything, which may have contributed to feeling stronger effects than one would expect.
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I think you might got me wrong there.
I don't question your experience at all!
It was kind of a serious but although "philosophical" question.;)
Is there a way to compare such different experiences...?
just a thought that came to mind when i was writing that post. :)
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Sorry I misunderstood, HC. I thought you and TravellingWithoutMoving were questioning my experience and got a little defensive. :P Thanks for the clarification.
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..i am sure your next TRIP will be a better one, just go with it its just a ride.
{quick summary, give it 7-10days between doses, taking 1/2 then the other 2hrs later doesn't always "work", choose setting & friends}
;) ;)
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Would love to hear from someone who's had both juergen and gammagoblin's 'cid.
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Hey guys, just a quick update on the Mayas:
I ended up taking 1 and a half tabs a couple of days after my bad trip on the half-tab.
I had a really good trip this time. Turns out I just needed to get my setting right and chill the fuck out, hehe. I can’t believe I panicked so much the other day.
Here’s what I can say about the acid:
-Nice, incredibly CLEAN euphoric body high. Felt very clearheaded and relaxed, with no nausea or bodyload (which is amazing to me because acid usually makes my body feel like crap).
-Strong OEVs, but seemed kind of different to the OEVs I usually get on acid. They were more fleeting and cartoon-like rather than the swirling fractals that I’m used to.
-I was so relaxed that I was able to fall asleep whilst still tripping and entered an interesting acid-dream state.
-The high wasn’t too intense, but definitely took me to another dimension.
Overall, it is good, clean acid and highly recommended. My only regret is that I didn’t buy more of these!! :D
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Time to report on NeuroticNarcotic. Based on my experiences with him there is NO ONE I would rather throw my money at than this guy. His packaging is wonderful... Like really Idk if brilliant is going to far but I thought it was really just top notch.
The tabs were insane! I took one Dali and just a hair under a half of an Anonymous. Without a doubt the cleanest acid I have ever done. Crystal clear thinking without any body load. Three hours after dropping is when it really hit me like a fucking freight train. If some of the things I experienced are real, holy fuck mates.
There you have it. Stand up guy shipping from Germany who gave me an A++++++ experience. Support him, he will get you the tabs!!
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.."wonderful packaging"..would have to be 2 or 3 layer which includes foil or something, otherwise there's not much to getting trips in an
envelope; 2 layer zip lock in another is std effort..and just dropping loose in an envelope is probably poor packaging..?!
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Going to try some Needlepoint WoW, 100ug. Will let you know how it is. Ordered about 2 days ago. Anyone tested these?
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Thank you very much blockrockinbeats for your reviews on the mayas. I got a 10 strip of them too very recently and actually made the very same mistake you did, though not ending up in a bad trip.
I also wanted to "sample" them, despite knowing better, but as I really have no problem about my mindset right now but only the setting wasn't picked properly, I ended up having a very cleansing and insightful experience. Here's what happened:
I got the letter send to a friend's and joined him after work on the day I supposed the acid to arrive. As this was my first transaction on SR I was probably a bit over-excited about my drugs from the internet to arrive, so I wanted to check the actual quality as soon as possible. I took a quarter of tab at about 8pm and another quarter an hour and a bit later (I weigh only like 120lb, so I wanted to take it carefully as I already read some reviews about these being quite strong).
I was amongst friends who were not tripping, but felt safe at my friends house and had a bed to crash there in case needed (which I should have made use of in retrospect). It was very much a "me"-trip, very thoughtful and I felt fulfilled with a great curiosity about the world surrounding me and the whole interconnectedness in it while the trip was slowly rising up. However, I should not have split the dose because so I did not realize when I was gonna peak and that it would still become way more intense when my friend said he was gonna go to bed at about half past eleven. I felt very much in control at that point so I decided to walk home which I had figured before would be problematic because I'm not very satisfied with my living-situation right now (mostly esthetic stuff and my room in my shared appartment being a little small for tripping). But I was too busy exploring mental spaces to remember that at that moment :o
The way way home was fantastic, I felt connected even to the few non-trippers I saw on my way and there was one small fraction of the way were people are known to get mugged and I'm getting paranoid there even when completely sober, but I managed to maintain the great experience not only there but also at the border I had to cross to get home.
When I arrived at about midnight, having had a great walk with fantastic music on my earphones behind me, I was thinking to be pretty much at peak of the trip, having hardly any visual effects but a very strong emotional and deep-thoughted trip so far. Probably because of this being quite introverted I did not notice the trip was still getting stronger and when I watched my own face on my web cam to see if anything interesting would happen I was a bit frightened by the distortions suddenly kicking in. I mentioned my small room, so you can imagine it took a bit of self-control to not slip into a circle of fear and first I tried to divert myself from the fear by playing some positive music and doing some (mostly symbolic :D ) cleaning up, but what in the end got me over this brief horror (and it was really intense!) was actually facing it and investigating its nature, to at the end realize there is nothing to be afraid of at all.
You can imagine this was an extremely intense self-reflection which I would not recommend to practice for anyone inexperienced with psychedelics AND without at least some sort of training in psychology and effective self-reflection techniques! For me this was great and although I would not go as far to call it a life-changing experience strictly speaking (although every intense experience of course influences the rest of your life ofc), but defintely had a real self-therapeutic impact.
This deep self-reflection process took about two hours, which felt like ages and apart from the 10 minutes which re-defined my idea of horror I was so focused (strange word in this context, I know, but that's how it felt - focused on letting my self-healing abilities come to work in a natural flow) that I completely skipped the visual part apart from the brief terrifying distortions of my face and surroundings.
I plan on going on a stronger-dosed tripped with some friends soon, which is supposed to be more of a "we"-trip :)
Having written this lengthy text I can only repeat blockrockinbeats warning: Don't mess with this stuff, particularly if you do not know how you can handle this sort of substance! driving under the influence of LSD in plainly mental, the thing it tends to do is not let you notice how fucked-up you already are until it's too late! You cannot dose LSD so carefully that you could drive, that's against the very nature of this drug!
Also, always take care you pick the setting right and have the right mindset when planning on taking a strong psychedelic like LSD, because what I experienced can be extremely traumatizing or even trigger latent psychosis to many other people with a different background!
That being said: happy tripping! :)
Edit: made little better readable and want to attach my quality judgement too of course: as being said here multiple time the Mayan Calendars are very clean and strong acid, nothing to add :)
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Hey all,
Just wanted to pitch in on Juergen's Mayas... Tripped with a friend on Saturday, each of us with one tab. We went hiking and took the cid at a little cabin in the woods. The trip was really gorgeous and very clean. Personally, I had barely any visual distortions, only at one or two moments and then quite intensely, while my friend had a great deal of them. This didn't bother me at all though, since I was incredibly absorbed by nature and everything I looked at. A really beautiful trip. We had the time of our lives hiking back down the hill through the majestic forest. The comedown was very gentle and relaxed.
Definitely an A++ from this inexperienced user. I hope they come back soon, I'd definitely buy again.
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A few days ago, i found an Interview with Owsley from 1990 on youtube and i want to share this. Or maybe i am a little late to the party and everybody knows it already.
It is slightly of topic in this thread because it is not directly about LSD but...
Its OWSLEY :)
I love it!!
He rewired his brain in an amazing way..
have fun..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFVo2nQzYnM
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I really wanna hear some info about the st alberts! Someone has had to have dropped them! lol I plan on dropping on the next sunny day. Plna on dropping 3 as an initial dose and thats all for the day :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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I really wanna hear some info about the st alberts! Someone has had to have dropped them! lol I plan on dropping on the next sunny day. Plna on dropping 3 as an initial dose and thats all for the day :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Had these last summer here in Europe, my guess would be that these are around 150 µg. I noticed effects from 1/3 of a tab: great for dancing, altough no real OEVs at this low dose. One tab is good enough for my own taste. Better than the cartoon shiva's & dancing bears. Clean and good acid. Supposedly from the same family as the Mayen Calendars but different crystal (source: OVDB).
I wouldn't take three (max 2) but that offcourse depends on your own tolerance and experience.
Does anyone have info on Hofmann originals with a ying/ying symbol in a lotus flower on the back?
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Does anyone have info on Hofmann originals with a ying/ying symbol in a lotus flower on the back?
I got a strip of these around late feb from DrA. Haven't tried it myself but passed it on to a couple of friends and their review was that it's genuine L, albeit not too strong. (The doctor did claim it to be around 75mics, so that seems consistent).
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I really wanna hear some info about the st alberts! Someone has had to have dropped them! lol I plan on dropping on the next sunny day. Plna on dropping 3 as an initial dose and thats all for the day :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Had these last summer here in Europe, my guess would be that these are around 150 µg. I noticed effects from 1/3 of a tab: great for dancing, altough no real OEVs at this low dose. One tab is good enough for my own taste. Better than the cartoon shiva's & dancing bears. Clean and good acid. Supposedly from the same family as the Mayen Calendars but different crystal (source: OVDB).
I wouldn't take three (max 2) but that offcourse depends on your own tolerance and experience.
Does anyone have info on Hofmann originals with a ying/ying symbol in a lotus flower on the back?
I don't have the highest tolerance but quite a bit of LSD and DMT experience. The most I have taken is 2 hits of the Dalai Lama blotters around 200-250 mics. So this looks like another great experience for me :D
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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I really wanna hear some info about the st alberts! Someone has had to have dropped them! lol I plan on dropping on the next sunny day. Plna on dropping 3 as an initial dose and thats all for the day :)
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Hi Stormtrooper,
I recently purchased the "Alex Grey and a. Hofman, new edition" LSDs from Juergen2001 and tried one tab while being on holiday the other week. I'm not a big expert on LSD (yet! :P) and I can only compare to one other experience I had on another tab I bought directly from Berlin. The Hofman experience was interesting. There was definitely euphoria, introspection, some limited visuals e.g. I was watching the clouds in the sky above and at instances it looked like I was looking at earth from space from behind the clouds. Music did sound amazing (e.g. Royksopp) but not to levels of perfection I reached during my first trip where classical pieces like Chopin's nocturnes sounded so profound. Also no out of body experience this time. However the setting might have played a role in the not so big profoundness of the experience because we were on the mountains and I tried to remain aware in case we were approached by other people. Also I was never left completely alone during the Hoffmans session, which I think does play a part (i.e. at some points you need to let go, and you can't completely let go when communicating continuously with another person).
Bodyload wise they did cause some nausea and slight urge to vomit at the start of the trip, which from what I read on the forums is an indication that it's not the best purity LSD possible.
I still got some Hoffmans left and I plan to trying them again (making taking 2 tabs and being by myself next time).
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mike.murphy did not send me my WOW needlepoint yet...
think I lost 22 bitcoins out of escrow.....
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mike.murphy did not send me my WOW needlepoint yet...
think I lost 22 bitcoins out of escrow.....
Word coming through the grapevine is that mike.murphy is a scammer. I'm sorry to say that you probably did lose your investment. :(
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I dropped 2 of the st alberts and it was nice, definately not the cleanest crystal. But I still quite enjoyed it :) Thanks for the input guys!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
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For all the good people here : PLEASE GIVE MORE BUSINESS TO A VERY TRUSTABLE VENDORS THAT I HAD A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH :
1. Tony76 - very high quality LSD , very high quality MDMA, excellent prices, great communications, fast delivery. generous, very honest, (I consider this amazing vendor as a friend).
2. Mitanox - A sweetheart, very high quality MDMA, good prices, excellent communications, fast delivery, generous , very honest. (i did not tried his LSD yet but defiantly I will trust his soon to come LSD review).
3. Skyy - So far I'm waiting for a package to arrive, I'm sure it will - this vendor have high score and so far the communications is very good, I will update when receive package .
4. 3Jane - So far I'm waiting for a package to arrive, very good communications, I'm sure it will - this vendor have high score, looks like a very trustable vendor, selling a very unique stuff, I will update when receive package.
Gerry garcia ------ SCAMMER MOTHER FUCKER, BE CAREFUL
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For all the good people here : PLEASE GIVE MORE BUSINESS TO A VERY TRUSTABLE VENDORS THAT I HAD A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH :
1. Tony76 - very high quality LSD , very high quality MDMA, excellent prices, great communications, fast delivery. generous, very honest, (I consider this amazing vendor as a friend).
2. Mitanox - A sweetheart, very high quality MDMA, good prices, excellent communications, fast delivery, generous , very honest. (i did not tried his LSD yet but defiantly I will trust his soon to come LSD review).
3. Skyy - So far I'm waiting for a package to arrive, I'm sure it will - this vendor have high score and so far the communications is very good, I will update when receive package .
4. 3Jane - So far I'm waiting for a package to arrive, very good communications, I'm sure it will - this vendor have high score, looks like a very trustable vendor, selling a very unique stuff, I will update when receive package.
Gerry garcia ------ SCAMMER MOTHER FUCKER, BE CAREFUL
Hi, don't mean to be rude, but this thread is more focused on the quality and types of L here on the Road. Don't get me wrong, I love to hear what vendors are good for what, but for the sake of discussion try and keep your commendations to L in this thread =]
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Yep nothing lost 22 bitcoins. Mike.Murphy was banned... was supposed to send me 10 hits for 22 bitcoins out of escrow...
Anyone else got pure DANK L?
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If you don't mean to be rude , so try your best really not to be rude, if you read my massage you mite realize that I'm giving some information about my experience buying LSD from important vendors in SR.
This forum is an open forum, not your private forum, so try next time to be less rude and keep this thoughts to yourself,
open forum - remember
peace
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Hey i3lazd, sorry to hear about Mike murphy scamming you, he is in the black list of scammers , big problems with this scummers .
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If you don't mean to be rude , so try your best really not to be rude, if you read my massage you mite realize that I'm giving some information about my experience buying LSD from important vendors in SR.
This forum is an open forum, not your private forum, so try next time to be less rude and keep this thoughts to yourself,
open forum - remember
peace
I really wasn't rude in any way, I was actually quite polite.
Only one of the people you listed was a vendor you had sampled from (Tony), the rest you had never purchased L from, and the last two (3jane and Skyy) don't even currently vend L. My point is that you should not be giving positive reviews to a) People who aren't even selling L in a thread specifically about L and b) Reviews about products that you have not even tested (ala Mit), not to say that Mit isn't a great and well known vendor (I have purchased his stuff)
I am trying to keep the discussion on topic. Just because it is an "open" forum does not mean that anything goes anywhere.
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By the way I forgot to praise DelEllis - I bought 25tabs from him few weeks ago, --- great comunications, fast delivery, I took 3tabs and I was tripping beautiful, lots of colors and everything was moving, I hope he will come back with some more of this wight blotters, he is a very good vendor.
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So , I just got the report from Mitanox, he tested last night one tab of his purple lotus, It seems like a good legitimate LSD, he is estimating them at 110- 120 ug , I'm sure he will drop few lines with some trip details,
peace
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Hey HC the interview with nick sand is amazing, thanks budy
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my pleasure. :) glad you liked it.
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Very smart man, I love when he said that its interesting that our generation needs the love drug- MDMA , with all the violence that the alcohol brings. very spiritual man .
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HC did you ever tried Tony's LSD?
Can you give me some info if you know, I have lots of them from tony's but not sure about the crystal and ug, defiantly cannot recognize the print
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what I do know is that putting 3 of that suckers on my tong , I'm in Heaven. same my wife - but she needs only two :)
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Haven't tried them myself yet. So from personal experience... In a few days...
Here you can find them:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=10774.msg122635#msg122635
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MAYAN CALENDERS 2012(Tony76)
He never changed the photo on his listing. But it is basically the same. Same crystal same mcg. just the print has changed.
The info is gathered from all over the forum. But there seems to be an uncertainty when it comes to the xtal. Silver or White?
Well i guess i'll find out in a few days.
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Haven't tried them myself yet. So from personal experience... In a few days...
Here you can find them:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=10774.msg122635#msg122635
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MAYAN CALENDERS 2012(Tony76)
He never changed the photo on his listing. But it is basically the same. Same crystal same mcg. just the print has changed.
The info is gathered from all over the forum. But there seems to be an uncertainty when it comes to the xtal. Silver or White?
Well i guess i'll find out in a few days.
after the sale we will know better
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Thanks HC , much appreciation brother
Anything on Anarcho Wow's ?
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Thanks HC , much appreciation brother
Anything on Anarcho Wow's ?
wait does anarcho sell Wow or the so called tony prints?
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He came with 150ug, interesting .
last night me and my wife did MDA, from Jane, Amazing stuff, almost like LSD,
In any case , does anybody knows if MDA cross tolerance with LSD, our plan is for this coming Saturday to candyflip MDMA+LSD.
Is that a waist ??
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He came with 150ug, interesting .
last night me and my wife did MDA, from Jane, Amazing stuff, almost like LSD,
In any case , does anybody knows if MDA cross tolerance with LSD, our plan is for this coming Saturday to candyflip MDMA+LSD.
Is that a waist ??
AFAIK MDA causes cross-tolerance with MDMA, but not with LSD.
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HC did you ever tried Tony's LSD?
Can you give me some info if you know, I have lots of them from tony's but not sure about the crystal and ug, defiantly cannot recognize the print
As a partial answer to your questions I would guess that Tony's tabs are at least 100ug if not more. I've tried everything from the LSDirect's Fantasia tabs and WoW to Envious's WoW and Del Ellis's WoW, all of which have are known to be good, potent stuff, and find Tony's LSD comparable if not stronger. In fact it didn't feel a much weaker than the Avatar tabs which have been rated at 130-150ug. I did take Tony's tabs after a long period of not using so I'm sure my low tolerance played a part but with just one I was blown away and shocked at how powerful it was. I assumed it would be a low-dosage trip and while still light enough to be calm and manageable I did not feel like I was missing something or needed to go higher, which is often the case with other 100ug tabs I've tried.
Let us know what you find out HC!
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He came with 150ug, interesting .
last night me and my wife did MDA, from Jane, Amazing stuff, almost like LSD,
In any case , does anybody knows if MDA cross tolerance with LSD, our plan is for this coming Saturday to candyflip MDMA+LSD.
Is that a waist ??
AFAIK MDA causes cross-tolerance with MDMA, but not with LSD.
mda has no tolerance with lsd or mdma i believe...serotonin depletion from mda is similar to mdma though so space dosing accordingly.
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Thanks brothers.
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so this is my story for today :
I was very happy to received my 5MDMAcpackage from Skyy,
I was waiting for it for 2.5 weeks, Sky was amazing and professional all the way .
And as a matter of fact I'm rolling right now, Its perfect,
So lets go back to last night, Took 3sids from Tony magic, my wife took two.
We had , probably the highest trip that we ever had , the plan was to candyflip , but the LSD was so strong that we decided not to add nothing.
for all the people using magic, Please Please Please - listen to the band "SHPONGLE" Specially to the track "nothing is something worth doing"
This music is to cry for, god music.
Love and Peace to all :) :)
And again Tony, we love you brother.
your LSD is the best by far I ever took,
Skyy - your MDMA is kicking me hard man - good fucking stuff .
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check this out : http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/albums.php
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+1 to get this pinned. Much more informative than LSD vendor pinned list and also not full of bias. Would be great to see more lab test. ecstacydata will do personalized lab test(although i'm sure there are others), however ED requires $120 for things not ecstacy PLUS as least 20mg of substance which will be destroyed after test. This would be somewhere between 250-350 hits at 75ug just to get a result. Im sure there is something more practical.
hi there anyone that wants to see and contribuite with pictures we are now starting a new and great project called The Lsd Museum check it out, peace
http://lsdmuseum.blogspot.pt/p/lsd-blotter-museum.html
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thats a nice one
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Last night I took 3 sids from Jane's magic, my wife took 2.
It was fucking Amazing, very strong body and mental for both of us, lots of visuals - colors and shit, and with the combination of good sex and Shpongle music , MOTHERFUCKER BEAUTIFUL TRIP,
So far I tested Jane's MDA and LSD, both are - ASS KICK.
LOVE YOU JANE, KEEP WITH YOUR MISSION AND SPREAD THE LOVE BABY
And by the way , Jane delivers. by all means.
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An update and dosage estimate on 3janes cid. Myself and 3 others have all taken from 1-2 two hits. We have all had "confirmed" 100ug (GDF/American) and 80ug (Euro Buddha/Ganesha) hits from the likes of Enelysion, Asbjorn, and USDirect, so we are using those doses for our 100ug and 80ug comparison.
Also, the print should be described properly on here. The image on the front is a Seed of Life mandala. I've been referring to these as such.
My personal first hand account:
3Jane's LSD feels very clean. On one hit, the come up is smooth and almost wraps you into a psychedelic soft blanket. The peak was reached around hour 3, and continued for about 3 more hours. Visuals were minor, but present. Lots of color pops, "3D" effect of graffiti on walls. iPhone's looking 3D with the icons moving around. All typical of a light visual experience. Sleep was possible after 12 hours. There were no other drugs involved in this experience. That being said, 1 hit will not rock your world as much as 1 hit of Ene's, USD's, or even in my personal experience (some friends/researchers disagree) the commercial Euro blotter that Asbjorn was selling on here in the Fall.
I believe the actual crystal on the paper to be much cleaner than the standard Euro blotter (Ganesha, Buddha), and about the same purity as Ene's and USD. (White/Silver 90%+)
And of course, how strong are they? After multiple experiments with multiple experienced people, we all agree on a range of 60-80ug per tab. Yup, 60-80ug. I know that's a variable range, but that's the closest we can come as a group of very experienced and detail oriented trippers.
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It is an absolute shame that this thread died.
BUMP!!
the gelcap furor and loads of new 'cid from mainland Europe and UK are making the Acid scene alot more interesting :D
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It is an absolute shame that this thread died.
Yep, great thread. Just wanted to thank all of you who did write here, that was a great, fascinating read!
Thanks a lot brothers and sisters :)
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Much love, friends.
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No thank you.
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I'm subscribing to this thread so I don't forget to post the lab results of the acid I'm selling now :)
It's the St. Albert print: already confirmed as LSD, just waiting on dosage.
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+1 for Asbjorn
Old heads will remember him :)