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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Gordo on August 04, 2011, 01:31 am

Title: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: Gordo on August 04, 2011, 01:31 am
Hi,

I know a lot of people used mybitcoin simply as a tumbler. By that I mean create lot's of accounts and use them to send the coins back and forth from all the different accounts...essentially sending them to yourself to obscure their history. Either for cashing out, or for people buying who (bad idea)  go directly from mtgox/tradehill to SR wallet.

Could something similar be done with multiple SR accounts? It would be convenient that's for sure, to just send coins to your different user accounts to mix them up and then withdraw them to a wallet.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: chronicpain on August 04, 2011, 03:30 am
If you have 2 computers in your house, download tor on each of them and then download the bitcoin wallet. I have 2 computers and have multiple wallets that I can use.
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: KarlM15 on August 04, 2011, 03:34 pm
Isn't it enough to send your coins to your SR account for tumbling/mixing ?
iirc that's what it does!
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: Willy Wonka on August 04, 2011, 03:51 pm
My bitcoin was nice because of the ability to crate 3 new addresses and set forwarding on accounts.instawallet is a bit of a pain
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: MR. CranE on August 04, 2011, 04:52 pm
Hi,

I know a lot of people used mybitcoin simply as a tumbler. By that I mean create lot's of accounts and use them to send the coins back and forth from all the different accounts...essentially sending them to yourself to obscure their history. Either for cashing out, or for people buying who (bad idea)  go directly from mtgox/tradehill to SR wallet.

Could something similar be done with multiple SR accounts? It would be convenient that's for sure, to just send coins to your different user accounts to mix them up and then withdraw them to a wallet.

Any thoughts?

Great idea. I never thought of this but, now that you bring it to my attention I realize its genius. I wish I would have thought of it earlier especially considering I just lost over 180BTC to mybitcoin.com while I was gone on vacation for 2 days -_-. But yes, this would work wonderfully. You would not even need 2 computers just simply click "Use New Identity" on the Tor cntrl panel between each xfer. Another option would be to have several virtual machines set-up on a single computer all with Tor installed on them but, in that case you wouldnt need several SR accounts but simply have the bitcoin.exe installed on all them. Same concept if you have separate computers. There is no need to use multiple SR accounts when you can simply have multiple wallets that can all, potentially, be backed up to a more secure place than even SR servers.

RespectfullY

-MR. CranE-
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: peaceloveharmony on August 04, 2011, 04:55 pm
Hi,

I know a lot of people used mybitcoin simply as a tumbler. By that I mean create lot's of accounts and use them to send the coins back and forth from all the different accounts...essentially sending them to yourself to obscure their history. Either for cashing out, or for people buying who (bad idea)  go directly from mtgox/tradehill to SR wallet.

Could something similar be done with multiple SR accounts? It would be convenient that's for sure, to just send coins to your different user accounts to mix them up and then withdraw them to a wallet.

Any thoughts?

I dont think that you send anything in the real Bitcoin Network if you do internal SR transactions. Its probably just a change in SR database values.

If you have 2 computers in your house, download tor on each of them and then download the bitcoin wallet. I have 2 computers and have multiple wallets that I can use.

The problem with this is that you are always in possession of the same coins. If you send them to an e-wallet you most probably get some other coins back and there is no direct connection to your old coins.
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: Gordo on August 04, 2011, 05:12 pm
^Really? But you get a new BTC address generated for each account so it's gotta be in the network. I mean the simple fact that you can send and withdraw BTC from or to a BTC address in SR tell me it is in the network.  Would like some confirmation of this though.
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: KarlM15 on August 04, 2011, 06:56 pm
isn't it suffice to send ALL of your coins to a SR account, then send back to a new address ? the coins will be mixed with other coins in the SR pool!
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: MR. CranE on August 05, 2011, 01:00 am
^Really? But you get a new BTC address generated for each account so it's gotta be in the network. I mean the simple fact that you can send and withdraw BTC from or to a BTC address in SR tell me it is in the network.  Would like some confirmation of this though.

Yes. It is on the network when you send Silk to Silk using the generated address. Most likely not when you just send user to user directly by just typing in the user name but, it is still a probability even then.

isn't it suffice to send ALL of your coins to a SR account, then send back to a new address ? the coins will be mixed with other coins in the SR pool!

And yes. The SR pool is definitely large enough to shuffle the coins effectively. This is a brilliant idea. And though I will never trust an internet based service to hold my coins again, even SR, I will definitely utilize this as a tumbler service and I would recommend everyone to as well. If many people start doing it though SR may start to charge a little commission for EVERY transaction through them. I mean why not?

-MR. CranE-
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: Rook on August 06, 2011, 08:51 pm
I really wish SR would make its tumbler service more available to the gen public (i.e. not just people looking towards illicit activity) the more bitcoin that goes through the SR pool the harder it is for LE to do anything
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: bollocks on August 07, 2011, 04:12 pm
I really wish SR would make its tumbler service more available to the gen public (i.e. not just people looking towards illicit activity) the more bitcoin that goes through the SR pool the harder it is for LE to do anything

+1
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: Raffael on August 07, 2011, 07:21 pm
SR may already be doing exactly that! It will make it incredibly harder to track if SR used a main tumbler used by many other users as well, not just SR.
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: HumbleKoi on August 09, 2011, 02:52 pm
I've read some conflicting information about the necessary steps to add the proper amount of anonymity to one's bitcoins.  Some say that Mt. Gox > PC/Online Wallet > SR is sufficient and that's what I seem to be reading here since y'all say that the SR tumbler is enough to do the trick.  Others say that Bitcoin Laundry or Blind Bitcoin (now defunct) is required.   :o :-\

So, are tumbler services outside of SR still the norm?  If so, what services do people use now that mybitcoin and Blind Bitcoin are defunct? 

Trying to be safe....
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: elementaryskool on August 09, 2011, 05:39 pm
I've read some conflicting information about the necessary steps to add the proper amount of anonymity to one's bitcoins.  Some say that Mt. Gox > PC/Online Wallet > SR is sufficient and that's what I seem to be reading here since y'all say that the SR tumbler is enough to do the trick.  Others say that Bitcoin Laundry or Blind Bitcoin (now defunct) is required.   :o :-\

So, are tumbler services outside of SR still the norm?  If so, what services do people use now that mybitcoin and Blind Bitcoin are defunct? 

Trying to be safe....

+1
Title: Re: Using SR accounts as tumbler
Post by: Quantum on August 16, 2011, 01:26 am
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1872.0

I hate to make a double post about this. Maybe someone should make a sticky? But I recently found out from SR directly that they do in fact tumble your coins while in SR. But I posted about this in the above linked thread. I thought this post was a great idea and I go into a bit more detail in the linked post.

Thanks you SR!!!