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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: digitalink on July 06, 2011, 07:24 pm
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Today I got a letter from the United States postal service that read "Please Contact Postal Inspector ***** ******
office #: *** *** ****
cell #: *** *** ****
Regarding a package from ***** that was leaking powder
Signed
Manager ***** *******
***** P.O.
what are if any recommendations, it was methylone powder (research chemical) for our plants... it's currently legal in the state I am from, it is not banned substance. Are they going to seize anymore shipments of it, I order it all the time with one on the way and due tomorrow... :(
Any suggestions?
EDIT:
This is the letter I got in the mail...
http://i53.tinypic.com/14kjh5k.jpg
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Lol is the US too inflated for printers? In my country you get at least a nice printed letter :D
Just throw it away and nothing will happen.
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Yes, I need this methylone for my plants, officer.
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Ok, well we called the number and they explained the package was suspicious due to the leaking powder and the return address was from a unknown. We explained it was plant food. He then told us to call our local post office which we did. Got a hold of the manager there and they basically just repeated what the first guy said. We asked well are we going to get our fucking mail or what? and now we are told to call a woman in the morning to discuss it with her. Methylone is fuckin plant food am I correct? It is not banned from where im from.. so they have no right to discard out shit correct? Wouldn't that be against the law? Where is that lady who used to work at the post office when you need her!!!! lol
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LOL I used to buy "Bonsai fetilizer" from time to time...
You sure you want to go pick that up? Wow, you got some balls or something.
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Why you say that? it's not like I can be arrested for it. It's legal as long as its not marked for internal.. meaning human consumption. I got a back yard full of plants.. which it is for my plants.. I don't use drugs nor would I consume a chemical for my plant. I would march my ass right up there and get my plant food... anyone think that's a bad idea? I mean there's nothing they can do in my opinion. If anyone thinks any different please explain because I am just going to do that.. im going to get my package! and report back here when I do.
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There is another thread on here with a formal postal inspector who would probably be your best bet to ask. This happened to me once but it was MDMA. I was like you kinda pissed that they were playing games. I called them and they said if I could come down and show ID they'd give it to me. When I asked why they couldn't just deliver it they said it had already been opened and the postage "voided..." I just let it be since it was a couple doses of molly which is illegal. Still even if its not illegal they don't know that necessarily and why I may not like hold up in court it may be a headache nonetheless...I'd just let it be, but I'm curious what would happen if you did show up...?
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Methylone is illegal under the federal analogue act. You can be arrested for having it. Look at operation web tryp or the stuff that happened in NY last week. If you think it's worth risking you're gonna end up out of this game sooner rather than later. Think of this as a free walk. I'd like to see you say you feed bk-MDMA to your plant in court lmao
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Let it go.
First off it is a pretty cheap substance. Then we also have the problem raised with the user above and the analogue act. Good luck, seriously. You will be made an example of.
Best case scenario is you recover some of your plant food. Wasn't it "leaking" out already?
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get a new mailing address for it and tell your supplier he totally fucked you over not packaging it properly. could you imagine being a mail man and spotting a envelope leaking white powder. if you remember when anthrax was being sent in the mail and loads of sorting plants got contaminated you realize how fucked up that is.
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Doing research on the matter is, the only way they can charge you for the analogue act is if they can prove you were going to sell it for internal use or use it yourself to get high. I am in neither category. In my state it's not against the law to possess if it's not abused or marked internal. I will be going through and contacting the "lady" in the morning and following through with either picking up my parcel or having it re-delivered. I really need to do this anyway for my own knowledge because of how often we buy plant food. If this happens again, through this experience, I will be writing down names so in fact, if it happened again, I can say remember me. I will let everyone know how it went for reference of something similar in the future.
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Write it off as a loss man.
And please tell us who the seller is, so we know not to work with someone who can't keep powder from leaking out of a package.
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Hey jane, I heard your the expert here. I already contacted usps and well claimed ownership saying it was plant food. Under law it states:
"Methylone is unscheduled in the United States. It is possible that it could be considered an analog (of MDMA), in which case, sales for human consumption or possession with the intent to ingest could be prosecuted under the Federal Analogue Act."
As stated before, in my State, it's not banned. On top of this I have a backyard full of tomato, squash, grape plants, tons of other nameless plants that I take care of daily. As I stated also, this was indeed purchased for my plants, not for human consumption.
On the phone, they asked for a contact number and told me to call in the morning to discuss the situation in the morning, due to the time of me calling was late and the person who could help me better was off for the day.
I feel like I'm very protected in my circumstance, enough to demand my mail from usps. It's not about losing a small amount of Methylone, this is about standing up for my rights and making it clear in the future they will not hold any of my Methylone shipments without a piece of me. If you have any suggestions, concerns.. I would appreciate it.
Thanks
PS: This by all means is not the sellers fault, I know how he packages things, this isn't the first time from this seller. This was USPS fault, as it took 2 weeks to get here and I reckon it was damaged during shipment.
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If you're using it legally in your state as plant food, I'd say go for it. I think that it'd probably a good idea to print off some info on this plant food and your state laws regarding it and bring it along to the post office. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. This may cause your future packages and envelopes to be scrutinized more than normal. If there is something that isn't plant food you'll be buying in the future, I'd use a different name/address.
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1.) If you're using it for plant food, it is legal. Your job isn't to prove anything; their job is to prove that you're using it improperly. That's the law anyway and if the quantity is small enough, they'll give it to you without trying to make that case.
2.) You've already brought too much attention on yourself, meaning that even if you do get this particular order and even subsequent bk-MDMA orders, your packages will be watched very closely for something that isn't legal.
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Good news SR. Just got off the phone with a Postal Inspector. After the suspected package was noticed it was sent to a central office for analyzing. So by the time I called this morning, after there extensive testing, they had no idea what it was. I apologized sincerely and talked about how bad the world is and sorry for this mishap, explained that's the reason why I called to make sure they didn't worry that it was toxic and told them it was Methylone, we were going to use it for our garden. Almost felt to a point they were relieved to know what it was and was told they will be re-packaging it up and sending it shortly if that is what it was.. I guess they have a test for that it seemed to me as he assured me of this.
Well that's that. As to my address being watched, no worrys gentlemen/women, I guess I'm lucky my gf lives about a five minute drive from me. ;)
I am glad to report my experience for reference in anyone else's RC issues, just remember this only happened because it is legal in my state and because it's for our plants.
;D RC's are bad em kay!! :o
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Well that's that. As to my address being watched, no worrys gentlemen/women, I guess I'm lucky my gf lives about a five minute drive from me. ;)
That's good, because I seriously doubt anything is getting to your address after this. They may have played nice because they knew you had the law on your side, but I don't think they believed for a second it was for your garden.
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Well, rest assured the inspector googled Methylone as soon as you told them what it was, and realized you don't see a mention of it as plant food for at least five pages of google search results (I stopped at 5- it probably goes far past that). Every result relates to its psychoactive properties and recreational drug use potential.
I would have just let it go.
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Well Jane I guess it worked out perfect for me then, because he asked where exactly did I get it, he gave me his usips.gov email address and I sent him this link:
http://www.ioffer.com/i/methylone-plant-regulator-free-samples!-197667140
Cheers
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I know you're probably sick of people telling you that you're handling this wrong, but I have tone more thing to add and that is that you shouldn't keep posting info about this situation. So far you've revealed so many things that you've said to these inspectors that on the chance that anyone familiar with the case reads this thread, they'll be able to connect this user name with you IRL. Especially telling them the exact site that you got it from. How many people do you think had their 1g of methylone seized, go to the post office to pick it up, claim its plant fertilizer, send the same link you posted here to them as way of explanation, and make calls roughly around the time of your time stamps? Anyone reading this familiar with your case knows who you are already.
I think your address is flagged already, but this just isn't helping, man. Use your GFs address, hope they don't have anything connecting you two, and hope for the best. :)
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This is about the stupidest thing I've ever seen, methylone is illegal under the federal analogue act and although you say it's for your plants, what if they were to test your plants soil and find no trace of it?
You're def being watched now and I can't believe you risked so much for so little.
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I know your trying to sound smart crispysir, but I never said I used it YET for my garden. I showed them a site that gave away free samples of it.. I said we were going to use it for our garden. So testing our soil would be pointless. Just a FYI.
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Remember how on dateline the cops always have those stings setup where really dumb people walk right in to get themselves busted? "Come down to the station to collect your prize!" ..And you are sitting there in disbelief like how can anyone be that stupid? Well, this is one of those people.
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My doubt lies within the fact the USPS wouldn't mail you a hand written letter...
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lol ok. trance no offense but it's opposite day for you. I'm so fucking slick I just got my methylone that was damaged back today, re-delivered.
easypeezy, I'll send you a unedited version of my letter with phone numbers etc in tact so you can prove yourself wrong. Give me a couple minutes.
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lol ok. trance no offense but it's opposite day for you. I'm so fucking slick I just got my methylone that was damaged back today, re-delivered.
easypeezy, I'll send you a unedited version of my letter with phone numbers etc in tact so you can prove yourself wrong. Give me a couple minutes.
You have nothing to prove to me, lol. We are anonymous.
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How was this sent man via envelope , bubbler , priorty, first class?
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The package was first class, the notice about leaking powder was also first class.
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Remember how on dateline the cops always have those stings setup where really dumb people walk right in to get themselves busted? "Come down to the station to collect your prize!" ..And you are sitting there in disbelief like how can anyone be that stupid? Well, this is one of those people.
Exactly. This guy has been told by everyone here to let the case drop, but he just won't see reason. And now that he got his 1g of highly suspicious gray market substance back, he thinks he's won and nobody is watching his address. At first I felt bad, but seeing digitalink refuse to listen to anyone, despite the logic behind all our warnings, makes me not give a shit anymore. Have fun getting all your packages seized, digitalink, and please don't order anything big enough for a controlled delivery... you may be naive and stubborn, but even that doesn't mean you should go to jail.
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since no one else brought it up, states rights mean nothing.
medical marijuana is legal under many many states in the usa, yet still illegal under federal law (not to mention county and city laws/ordinances).
just because state law says its ok, doesnt mean you are legally ok.
the more you know! because knowledge is power!
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Digitallink, you're a freakin idiot. Your link clearly says two things:
1. All the seller's orders are sent Priority or Express. Yours was sent First Class.
2. The seller has made 0 sales.
I bet that Postal Inspector is laughing his ass off as he passes your name along to the local LE.
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this should be a sticky to show newbies what NOT to do.
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About a week ago I ordered some crack for my cat. Well, yesterday I got a letter in a pink-and-yellow polka dot envelope from the USPS. The letter inside was handwritten and it said in all caps: WE HAZ UR KATZ GOOD KRAK! LOL!!1! Well obviously I was outraged so I called and explained that it was obviously for the kitty cat and they obviously knew that, but just in case, I showed them the site "www.crackandchildporn4u.biz" where it clearly stated it was for pet consumption only. Then I gave the USPS all of my credit card info, my actual social security card, and my birth certificate, along with a video recording of me holding a previously purchased bag of crack and the pipe I hold to my kittys face to help her smoke it. They apologized and gave me all of my crack, and even threw in a teener of meth for my trouble, so JOKE'S ON YOU NAYSAYERS!! ;)
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Only mistake I made was sharing my result with SR. I laugh every time I see paranoid messages, some of you guys serious messed up most of your brain cells. They have bigger things to do then fuck around with a small sample order of M1. I have proven myself right in my own way.. I don't need anymore input.. but thanks for the concern for those who did so while not being insulting. <3 SR
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Wow. You responded back from a seizure notice? Man that's like one of the first rules you learn when getting mail, you NEVER respond to notices, mainly customs but USPS?! You got some balls my friend.
Yeah, I get it that they can't arrest you for it (even if this isn't entirely true since there is debate: state/federal (federal as in federal agency-usps, or federal charge - across state lines, analog,etc) you are most likely being watched.
I hope for your sake that you are just messing around here and there, you may stand a chance if it's always 1g plant fertilizer. You start ordering other stuff and I think you'll be tossing the towel in soon. Love how you dime the source out and link him without any pressure. Yeah this guys solid, he wont say anything when guys with guns arrest him and seize his computer, plants and most likely his "tobacco water tube with icecatcher","postal scale capable of weighing in the .001/mm range" and "small jewelry bags capable of fitting a pencils eraser in". At least that will be his claim.
Digital just think of it this way. A man who sells cocaine (foolishly but believe it just for the sake of argument) orders a digital scale,1000 bags that are 1"x1" with heart logos on them and some cut he has bought which is sold and labelled as incense". Just to cut down on theorist the cut is completely non-active, not lido/benzo/supercaine or ANYTHING that is remotely illegal on it's own.
The package makes it to his local post office but the vendor is not careful and the incense has spilled. White powder leaks and the buyer is contacted.
The scale is legal, the incense is legal and the bags are legal. The post office knows but can not prove that these items are used for the cocaine drug trade. They are unable to prove this or even prove that the receiver even ordered it because mail can be sent to anyone without their consent. So they send a letter hoping the guy will be stupid enough to feel bulletproof and come. He does and happily admits to ordering it and that it's for his religious ceremonies where he burns the incense, it is rather expensive incense at 40 an oz so he partitions them into smaller amounts to make sure he has a certain amount of ceremonies lined up and that each uses the same amount of incense. This is also what the scale is for, he chuckles as he explains he weighs out half and full gram amounts out for future ceremonies. He even offers the link and names the product name, Bolivia Flame.
As he sits at home a few days later bagging his product up he brags to his friend (later State's Witeness #3) about how dumb postal workers and the Govt is in general as he recaps highlights of his meeting with the postal inspector.
The postal inspector tells a similar joke to his friends and the 2 DEA agents that are offering assistance (because they do this sort of thing) as they sit around the computer and look at the site that was mentioned by the buyer.
On it they see multiple incenses, all white or offwhite, all more expensive that most common incense like frankincense, cobalt, etc. They notice they site also offers halfton presses and their newest item, a 2 ton hydralic press. The note this as well as the scales, acetone, bags and even a nice guide on recompressing your incense into a rock using acetone and a press so it will remain longer or look better.
They notice the site has no charcoal, burners or anything that is usually sold along side legit incense vendors. They note this.
They contact other branches of the post office and find the vendor has had seizures before and a few of those have resulted in arrest.
The postal inspector writes out a form that basically says in his and the DEA's knowledge, the items being sold , the vendor selling them, the premium price over easily obtained better alternatives, and the covert nature in which it was shipped (the return address didn't match to a real one) it has been their experience that these things are indicative of the drug trade. The judge doesn't even read the warrant before being signed.
They aren't able to arrest or search the buyers house yet but the warrant allows them to open every parcel send to the buyer. They open a few, more and more of what they consider contraband is found. finally the buyer steps just outside the line and decides to use premium cuts that contain cocaine derivative(not a chemist this is probably wrong wording), a simple order of a cut containing lidocaine, gives them their fuel to set up a controlled delivery.
They stick a microphone and possibly a locator in the box and let it goto the buyer, delivered by a postal inspector working undercover. The buyer, being the clever fellow he is writes "return to send" on the package and places it by his door, he waits an hour. The LE, being paid to wait eat food, tell jokes and laugh while sitting in the airconditioned cars they are using as a perimeter barrier.
Finally the buyer gets brave and opens the package, LE is notified and the door is kicked in. He is charged and becomes a footnote on what not to do.
I understand this scenario is way different and way more risky than yours but remember guilty to proven innocent isn't always true. The justice system is not what you see on TV. I know , it should be like that but it isn't. What I'm saying is even when you are doing things legally there are things that add up. If I was the State's Attorney I can think of 20 plus questions I could ask you on cross and I'd fold your defense attorney up into a ball of flesh on the floor laying in the fetal position hoping it ends quickly.
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You guys SERIOUSLY over-analyze this beyond any kind of logic. You guys REALLY think the DEA or law enforcement gives two shits about 1g of anything? I've got a freaking meth-dealer for a neighbor, whose got traffic coming-going at all times of the day/night, is KNOWN to the FBI, local law enforcement, as well as out of town agencies, and THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.
The whole postal inspector whoopla-thread I read started to make me paranoid also, but then I'm like REALLY?! The USPS is concerned with a) Large amounts of drug trafficking (i.e. MORE THAN PERSONAL CONSUMPTION; like 1g), terrorist-type-shit (whatever that is), and WEAPONS.
I mean seriously, the people sent him a damn letter cause his shit SPILLED not because they were "hoping" for him to walk in and plead to some sort of "confessional, yes I'm really a big drug dealer with my 1g of MDMA". Come on. Oh, and there THEN so interested in his "case" and "profile" they're going to come to SR and "stake out" his posts and time-stamps, and would-be links? LMAO. It really does get hysterical at some point.
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What is more likely:
a- it takes too much time and there is not enough interest to make a list of people who received drugs/suspicious items in the mail
b- at least at some level where the numbers are low enough (possibly in a situation where a person comes in and claims it, how often a year does that happen? It would be per local office since they are the ones at the terminating end of mail delivery) where it would be quick and easy to keep a running list.
I think myself alone with MS notepad could keep an accurate list of people who came into a local post office and claimed something we thought to be illegal or used in illegal activity.I mean even if one person came every single day and claimed a package it would be trivial to log and I would bet it it's considerably rare someone does that. I think that would be a good tool just for cross referencing purposes or if the person get's heavy mail in the future. The people at the post office are smarter than me so I'm assuming they would have any methods I could think of that would help or better ones.
I'm not saying he's going to get arrested now for this but it always starts somewhere. What happens if he tells his friends about his plant food they try it and decide they want more and he sees a market in it and orders bulk? Do you agree if he did this would at least add risk?
OK if not and this is a one off or rare occasion then yes he probably will not have to worry about it but for the sake of others in his shoes that might order more frequently I think it's gospel that you never claim mail just for the simple fact that if anything ever happens you have a (thin) layer of denyability if the only thing they can prove is you accepted a package. They can say you've gotten multiple packages in the past but since nothing recorded was done it's mute, even if they took samples out of each one they don't know what happened or if you even opened it until they do, which is the time you get popped. It's easy to say you had been throwing them away and finally wondered what the hell was inside and unless they can link you procuring, talking about or buying it or worse, coming in and claiming a previous package from the same sender at some point in the past - they will have a much more difficult time proving a case against you.
There is just no reason to do it.
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Only mistake I made was sharing my result with SR. I laugh every time I see paranoid messages, some of you guys serious messed up most of your brain cells. They have bigger things to do then fuck around with a small sample order of M1. I have proven myself right in my own way.. I don't need anymore input.. but thanks for the concern for those who did so while not being insulting. <3 SR
And now you've listed the 1 gram of Methylone for sale, under your same buyer & forum name, in the Ecstasy section of Silk Road.
http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/5687
Are you trying to get caught?
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And now you've listed the 1 gram of Methylone for sale, under your same buyer & forum name, in the Ecstasy section of Silk Road.
Oh man, hahahahaha .....
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Hahahha this place feels like the Anarchist Cookbook. Everyone knows everything but no one knows shit.
Digital you are a moron. If I didn't think you'll roll like a fucking tire I'd say it would be good for you to get caught and goto jail.
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When trying to guess why the Post Office wants to talk about your envelope with leaky white powder, I think it would be helpful to think back about ten years. Several people died and a few more were hospitalized when envelopes containing Anthrax were mailed. One of the envelopes broke open at a US Post Office and as I remember, at least one postal worker died from inhaling Anthrax.
That being said, this whole thread is starting to sound like the setup to a joke:
PostOfficeEmployee: "Sir, your envelope is leaking white powder!"
PostOfficeCustomer "O.K., I admit it -- it's a bag of cocaine!"
PostOfficeEmployee: "Cocaine?! Oh thank God, I thought it was Anthrax! Here, you can have your envelope..."
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Oh wow, the idiocy is unmatched! It seems very possible that digitalink will be busted sometime soon. This thread, in conjunction with the fact that he is selling the same substance under the ecstasy section gives them their case on a golden platter. Judging by his behavior so far it wouldn't surprise me at all if he rolls over and gives them full access to his accounts here. It also wouldn't surprise me if he keeps the addresses of past customers around. I'm sure none of us would touch this listing with a ten foot pole, but it's too bad there isn't a way to warn people who don't visit the forums.
Either that or we're all being trolled.