The Oracle is wrong. The Oracle is the staff member that is behind this.

[Hiniguel]

DPR may or not be StExo.

But he isn't behind this - this is a mear cover up. A clever one at that.


Give it up, Oracle. I will be outing you sooner or later, you scumbag.

[lashesxo]

Oh my, lol

This could get interesting.

[The Jigsaw Puzzle]

DPR may or not be StExo.

But he isn't behind this - this is a mear cover up. A clever one at that.


Give it up, Oracle. I will be outing you sooner or later, you scumbag.

Can you elaborate on this statement? Come on Hiniguel, if you have information which can be verified or proven, post what you know. You seem confident in what you know so let's hear it.
It makes complete sense that oracle was somehow involved. For someone who was supposedly "not employed" by SR, he seemed to know a lot. Whether what he said was true or not, why would staff confide in someone who wasn't part of the SR operation with such intricate details?

[lashesxo]

I could have sworn I seen AstroHaven post here but has since deleted it? 


Or perhaps all these hours spent on this forum since all of this is starting to catch up to me 

[r0guebubbles]

Hiniguel, did Defcon approach you already? Or should now really give up all hope?

[fallingsnow]

Quack, duck, quack. 

[Navar]

I want to nominate these forums for the best screenplay of 2014.

[r0guebubbles]

I don't know who or what to believe anymore, seriously. assumptions, claims, never any proof 

[fallingsnow]

I don't know who or what to believe anymore, seriously. assumptions, claims, never any proof 

There's plenty of proof that the money is gone.  I guess it could've been the wicket bitcoin fairy though.

[fallingsnow]

I don't know who or what to believe anymore, seriously. assumptions, claims, never any proof 

There's plenty of proof that the money is missing.  Could've been the wicked bitcoin fairy though. Yeah that's it.

[hammer]

Subbed

[FrenchFries]

Welcome back. And this is HIGHLY interesting...

[KayaNow]

Like most vendors, we think its time to give Oracle a couple hours to correct his error, or lets us know his personal details.
Thanks Hiniguel

[FredandFlintstone]

Am I the only one who picked up on the satirizing of the endless conspiracy threads?

Unbunch panties pls.

[fallingsnow]

Welcome back. And this is HIGHLY interesting...

It's also highly full of shit.  The thread I mean.  Not you.

[gaust]

Oracle's Law - It's impossible to engage in a psyop that people won't mistake for a parody of a psyop.

[Valeyard]

sub

[Ronald Ernest Paul]

I want to nominate these forums for the best screenplay of 2014.

hahaha so true, The oracle is a fucking drama queen too.
Ima go make me some popcorn and watch this all unfold.

[rptl2k4]

What I don't get about this is:

Why would Oracle stay on the forums and chat with us all if he was the one to take it? Wouldn't the thief leave the site & forums (possibly lurk for amusement)?

This is singlehandedly the most entertaining thing to me in a while. This is fucking with my mind more than acid does lol. I'm litterally melting at all the outcomes this story has.

[PillfirePharmacy]

Interesting.

[PharmaSupplies]

There have been many dramas but this one is more catchy

http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=26175.0

[PharmaSupplies]

this place is gone from action to thriller and now suspence

[lashesxo]

this place is gone from action to thriller and now suspence

lol, it's quite entertaining... and that's an understatement.

[PharmaSupplies]

Seriously from a black market to a TV show in one day and what do you know we have the news channels covering us too. RT.com the russian is on our back LOL

[lashesxo]

Seriously from a black market to a TV show in one day and what do you know we have the news channels covering us too. RT.com the russian is on our back LOL

I don't know whether that's a good or bad thing hahahaha 

[Valeyard]

Come on Hiniguel or Oracle. Totally missing my stories watching this soap opera instead. Deliver the goods.

[Dr Robotnik]

This is getting silly. People keep building suspense for some kind of dramatic revelation, then naming some staff member asd the culprit without providing any evidence! I'm inclined to place more trust in Hineguel than anyone else here.. but how do you know for sure its Oracle? What can be done about it if it is? And who even knows who the fuck Oracle is anyway? as far as I know he just pops up here every few months posting various conflicting explanations 

[Hiniguel]

Welcome back. And this is HIGHLY interesting...

It's also highly full of shit.  The thread I mean.  Not you.

Say as you please, but DrClu will confirm that I have uncovered alot. More than even he knew.


Also, Clu I was possibly pointing blame to earlier. He is not to blame. CLU AND STEALTH CAN BE TRUSTED.

[gabby]

At first, I was pissed I lost my BTC.

Now, this is the best live drama I've seen. Well worth the money.

I think there's too much of people focusing on usernames and too little on the actual groups of interest. People having arguments with themselves on their alts, 5 people can get in and pretend they're 50.

There's the staffers who've executed this and the other staffers who knew nothing. Normally for a thing like this I wouldn't expect more than 3-4 people to be in on it, group dynamics.

Obviously the less people need to be involved in the plot, the bigger the individual share and more control. Could be 1 person with 1 helper.

The thing that'll tell the most about whether defcon is with the thieves or the clueless is whether SR2 will continue operating and the extent of changes it undergoes. It's easy to do psyops on forums but I don't expect this burglar has the motivation to go back and fix the window he broke in through.

[Hiniguel]

At first, I was pissed I lost my BTC.

Now, this is the best live drama I've seen. Well worth the money.

I think there's too much of people focusing on usernames and too little on the actual groups of interest. People having arguments with themselves on their alts, 5 people can get in and pretend they're 50.

There's the staffers who've executed this and the other staffers who knew nothing. Normally for a thing like this I wouldn't expect more than 3-4 people to be in on it, group dynamics.

Obviously the less people need to be involved in the plot, the bigger the individual share and more control. Could be 1 person with 1 helper.

The thing that'll tell the most about whether defcon is with the thieves or the clueless is whether SR2 will continue operating and the extent of changes it undergoes. It's easy to do psyops on forums but I don't expect this burglar has the motivation to go back and fix the window he broke in through.

From my standpoint it was one staff member - someone who had access to more than a mod may have. With helpers that are not anything to do with the staff.

Anyone with any information about Oracle PM me.

[DrAdamCarl]

Ed from SL Re-post http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=25848.new#new

contingency plan post http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=10759.200


ok well the post from ED from SL states that CIRRUS was some how connected to whats going on. I remember ORACLE staing he knew CIRRUS  was "absolutely well intentioned". I know ED from SL has no reason to create a farce becasue he doesnt stand any gain by it. So for the sake of argument look at what oracle said back in december.


To me it sounds like a  broadway play production. so I think Hiniguel  needs to contact ED from SL and see if he can give you something about his source or how he came about such info . I cant say that ORACLE AND CIRRUS  had something to do with this. I cant say that they might be LE.I cant say they could be the same person or that they are operating under other usernames.

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Re: Contingency Plan
« Reply #207 on: December 23, 2013, 05:42:14 am »

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Quote from: DitzBitch on December 23, 2013, 01:57:40 am

    So ive been soaking this stuff up over the last couple days and Im just going to summarise what seems to have happened from what I can understand (all aspects to date).

    -SR2 market is NOT compromised by LE. It is still held by DPR2, who is right here with us on the forums.

    -Arrests of Inigo, SSBD and Libertas are related to SR1 bust. DPR1 had doxx on these users and he has either given the info up directly (squealed) or indirectly (LE accessing info on his PC).

    -DPR1 and other arrested individuals (Libertas and Inigo) also apparently have info on the RL identity of DPR2... therefore DPR2 fears he is about to get snitched up.

    -DPR2's disappearance was completely staged, with the knowledge of ChemCat and Cirrus, as an attempt for DPR2 to switch user alias', the purpose of which is supposedly to cover DPR2's tracks in the event that he is fingered. (fairly dubious how much protection this will actually afford him I would have thought?)

    -It follows that DPR2 is Defcon and will be DPR3 when Defcon announces successor. (DPR2 = Defcon = DPR3).

    -DPR2 is actually a a fairly unsavory character, formerly known on the SR1 forums as StExo. This article is all about StExo and it clearly shows that his sole interest is in hoarding as much wealth as he can lay hands on:
    http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/

    So for me this clearly dispells the myth that our DPR2 is some kind of benevolent character who believes in the libertarian, revolutionary idiology that SR1 was originally founded on. I know history has shown Ross Ulbricht made a myriad of idiotic mistakes, but I would say that he set up SR1 for the right reasons. Not just greed.

    -The user called 'smoke2joints' who popped up at a very opportune moment to provide evidence that 'Hey.. no.. DPR2 is NOT Defcon and here is a screen grab to prove it... becasue I mysteriously had access to the admin area of the forum...' blah blah  is clearly a puppet account of DPR2.

    The sole point of smoke2joints' post was to provide evidence that DPR2 couldn't possibly be Defcon. To me it seems unlikley in the extreme that just one user experienced that glitch in the forum 'last night' and just so happened to grab a picture that proved DPR2 couldnt be Defcon... pfff. Please.

    So the posting of that screen grab was just an attempt by DPR2 (I assume) to counter the growing awareness on the forum that DPR2 disappearance is staged and DPR2 = Defcon.

    -As a by-the-by, subjecting that screengrab to an online photo forensic ELA test doesn't reveal any photoshopping, but I think the image is too low quality to tell from what I understand..

    And that is a complete summary of the situation.


And bingo was his name-o. And if this farce continues, I'm going to post real, solid evidence (screen shots, VIDEO screen grabs of me decrypting messages etc) that will put this matter to rest. No fucking way am I going to let this community be misled by an individual who, whilst is NOT LE (or compromised by LE as of this moment) is ridiculous and actually thinks people are so fucking retarded that Defcon/DPR3/"leaked mod board screen grab" will fool anyone. The point is this, Ross Ulbright (and the 3 arrested indivuals) KNOW who was behind SR2. And SR2 was NOT designed to be a fraud or a runner. I'm certain of this for a few reasons, most notably Cirrus' involvement whom I know to be absolutely well intentioned.
However, the playing field is changed

1) RU is talking/pleading out
2) Libertas/Inigo/SSBD have all been busted unfortunately, and they know who was behind SR2.

For a moment, if you think that any of the above mentioend 4 people are going to do life in prison to protect a stranger whom they all personally didn't even like THAT much (I know this again for a fact, and if push comes to shove, I will, I repeat, WILL post irrefutable evidence that 2 of the above personally had a "eye rolling" attitude towards DPR2.

That said, this Defcon farce (which it is) is absolutely insulting. In fact, read his language. "You know who you are and you knwo what to do" sounds EERILY SIMILAR TO A POST made on Oct 2nd 2013 on SR1 Forums by an individual who posted (to DPR) ".. you know where to find me and you know what needs to be done, contact me" (paraphrased).

Mr. Defcon - please do NOT take this route. I don't want to open a can of worms.. but if it means jeopardizing this entire community and painting a picture of all is well in paradise when thats NOT the case, I will not let that happen. As to Cirrus - I URGE YOU (since we both know you know nearly all of the facts, and I've even shown you logs and whatnot months ago and you know VERY well I'm not inventing anything) to talk sense into him and I urge you to do what's right for the community.

My hunch is that in the end, Cirrus will do the right thing and realize the situation for what it is and will lay it on the table for all (to the extent that nobody is "doxxed") and then, ONLY THEN, should everyone make a decision wether they want to continue to use SR.

If I'm wrong then I will absolutely, unequivocally blow the lid and then you will all make adult decisions on wether you think it will be wise to continue.

Well, Defcon? Well, Cirrus? Well, DPR..3?
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everything is relavent .
 

[brick$quad]

this was my belief, esp after oracle first announcement. dude sounded like he was working with the sr2 team

sr2 PR is some pros, no wonder why so many people believe everything they try to spin

[dingwall_3]

where does yoda fit in to all this tho  ?

[DoctorClu]

Welcome back. And this is HIGHLY interesting...

It's also highly full of shit.  The thread I mean.  Not you.

Say as you please, but DrClu will confirm that I have uncovered alot. More than even he knew.


Also, Clu I was possibly pointing blame to earlier. He is not to blame. CLU AND STEALTH CAN BE TRUSTED.

Thank you for stating so publicly.

Hiniguel has done some serious digging and from what he has provided to me, he has hired some VERY skilled people and proved it.

Oracle - Be afraid.

[username0007]

this is a fucking horror movie.

[Unbekannt]

Very interesting to follow all this.

[Dr Robotnik]

DoctorClu - can you confirm that Oracle was part of the Admin/Dev team?

[lashesxo]

this is a fucking horror movie.

Lmao 

[DoctorClu]

DoctorClu - can you confirm that Oracle was part of the Admin/Dev team?

Not to my knowledge, but not every member of staff knows everything about the others. We go through layers of security to do so.

[Lief]

I've had a lot of sleep and time to carefully consider things.

Here's what I've decided:

1. Oracle is addicted to drama and attention and has proven that with his inconsistent posts since day 1. I have a feeling he was forum friends with SSBD and that's where his inside info comes from. Therefore, I believe his assertion that DPR2 is StExo - which has always been a widely-held forum belief and fits with his writing style. There's no way that Oracle can know for sure StExo's responsible for this theft. I would say it's speculation at best, psyops (which he has admitted engaging in extensively) at worst.

2. The hacker story's possible. BMR got hacked, as did SR1, it's just that Bakopy and DPR1 covered the losses with their own profits. The fact that Defcon's removed his initial explanation thread is interesting, pointing to many of the original facts he presented since being discovered to be wrong.

3. It's also possible that it's an inside job, most seem to agree on that. But to be honest the 'whodunnit?' and 'guess who?' speculation scares me as I feel it could well lead to the wrong person being blamed and hurt. We have already been tarnished with the SR1 so-called murder-for-hires, we need to learn from that and be smart before we apportion blame.

4. The FEDS will be all over this and laughing into their coffee and donuts at us doing their negative PR for them. SR's no longer an idealistic Utopia, it's descended into Lord of the Flies, dog eat dog and vigilantes.

5. As has always been the case since SR1's fall, we buyers must endeavor never to use any marketplace as a personal wallet. But now especially, buyers must transfer in what they need to purchase - no more - and use only trusted vendors.

6. I worry for the safety and well-being of the many sellers who have lost great amounts of money. But they must prioritize OPSEC over profit right now. IF a hacker got into SR2 then who knows what other information they have found? If a hacker got in then it's entirely plausible that the FEDS are in as well gathering evidence.

7. I don't think we'll get the stolen coins back, no matter how hard we might want it.

8. Hiniguel appears to have good intentions and the dreamer in me hopes he'll somehow catch the thief and get them to return the missing coins. The realist in me says that this heist has been planned for a long time and the money's gone for good.

9. I will never, ever use SR2 again. I never liked or trusted it from the start and have barely used it compared to SR1.

10. The Feds can not be far behind the thief. I suspect SR2 will be seized in a matter of weeks. (Too high-profile and the NSA will be all over it so the Feds can claim another "victory" especially after DPR2's big-headed boasts in the media making them look foolish, they would LOVE and I mean love to catch him, plus, well, who knows what people who've been arrested have said?).

11. Be careful using this forum, I've noticed odd goings-on and wonder if there may be exploits and such to unmask users.

12. Don't let your sadness over this theft make you drop your guard and not follow good OPSEC, it is now while defenses are weakened that the many many "jackbooted thugs" - as Libertas used to call them - will be stamping all over you, taking virtual fingerprints and profiling everyone. We have NO idea what's in store and how many more arrests will be made. Common sense dictates that the admins and mods from SR1 is a tip of a very large iceberg.

Stay smart, people.

Agora or email deals seem to be the only reasonable option right now - if you MUST take the risk (and remember you could be slapped with a conspiracy charge if caught) have drugs sent through the post to you.

[Valeyard]

 Anyone got popcorn? I ran out.

[Cheese on Toast]

will there be an announcement today?

[DrawkwarD]

At first, I was pissed I lost my BTC.

Now, this is the best live drama I've seen. Well worth the money.

I think there's too much of people focusing on usernames and too little on the actual groups of interest. People having arguments with themselves on their alts, 5 people can get in and pretend they're 50.

There's the staffers who've executed this and the other staffers who knew nothing. Normally for a thing like this I wouldn't expect more than 3-4 people to be in on it, group dynamics.

Obviously the less people need to be involved in the plot, the bigger the individual share and more control. Could be 1 person with 1 helper.

The thing that'll tell the most about whether defcon is with the thieves or the clueless is whether SR2 will continue operating and the extent of changes it undergoes. It's easy to do psyops on forums but I don't expect this burglar has the motivation to go back and fix the window he broke in through.

From my standpoint it was one staff member - someone who had access to more than a mod may have. With helpers that are not anything to do with the staff.

Anyone with any information about Oracle PM me.

This is what I thought as well.  It had to have been somebody with special access premissions.  So you're saying Oracle is a SR developer?

[heisenbud]

will there be an announcement today?

Whilst they were security hardening the paragraphs, a rogue semi colon was discovered, the announcemnet will be delayed whilst more work is done on full stops and commas.

[Fluffhead!]

will there be an announcement today?

Whilst they were security hardening the paragraphs, a rogue semi colon was discovered, the announcemnet will be delayed whilst more work is done on full stops and commas.

touché

[flightisnormal]

Anyone got popcorn? I ran out.

LOL. Salted or sweet?

[Cheese on Toast]

will there be an announcement today?

Whilst they were security hardening the paragraphs, a rogue semi colon was discovered, the announcemnet will be delayed whilst more work is done on full stops and commas.

Where is that raging meth head GrammerNatzi user when you need him 

[ChemCat]

cracker-jacks ?

Hugs 


Chem


   

[Hiniguel]

At first, I was pissed I lost my BTC.

Now, this is the best live drama I've seen. Well worth the money.

I think there's too much of people focusing on usernames and too little on the actual groups of interest. People having arguments with themselves on their alts, 5 people can get in and pretend they're 50.

There's the staffers who've executed this and the other staffers who knew nothing. Normally for a thing like this I wouldn't expect more than 3-4 people to be in on it, group dynamics.

Obviously the less people need to be involved in the plot, the bigger the individual share and more control. Could be 1 person with 1 helper.

The thing that'll tell the most about whether defcon is with the thieves or the clueless is whether SR2 will continue operating and the extent of changes it undergoes. It's easy to do psyops on forums but I don't expect this burglar has the motivation to go back and fix the window he broke in through.

From my standpoint it was one staff member - someone who had access to more than a mod may have. With helpers that are not anything to do with the staff.

Anyone with any information about Oracle PM me.

This is what I thought as well.  It had to have been somebody with special access premissions.  So you're saying Oracle is a SR developer?

No, I am not saying he was a developer but I'm not saying he wasn't. Give us time. What I can tell you is *yes* they did have special permissions to the road.





I - FUCKING - LOVE - SEMI-COLONS - I - HOPE - THIS - DO'E'ESNT - OFEEEND - U

[Hiniguel]

will there be an announcement today?

Whilst they were security hardening the paragraphs, a rogue semi colon was discovered, the announcemnet will be delayed whilst more work is done on full stops and commas.

[rptl2k4]

I - FUCKING - LOVE - SEMI-COLONS - I - HOPE - THIS - DO'E'ESNT - OFEEEND - U

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can we has sexytiem nao?

[vtecturbo]

So is this it? Was it Oracle that fucked us over???

[ggf5665]

So is this it? Was it Oracle that fucked us over???

no, i believe it was the semicolon

[Unbekannt]

So is this it? Was it Oracle that fucked us over???

Can't be answered right now. Simple as that.

[hammer]

If it was Oracle why did he come back on to the scene yesterday with his big "revelation"? Perhaps he knew someone was on to him and provided some disinformation?

[BioGen]

pgp me the info

il fly there direct and head but the cunt

bg

[Gravitax-UK]

Subbing 

[flydolphinfly]

If it was Oracle why did he come back on to the scene yesterday with his big "revelation"? Perhaps he knew someone was on to him and provided some disinformation?

oracle is suggesting that he believes doctorclu is involved in the scam, so according to hinguel's narrative oracle would be back to do what he is doing - making it look like doctorclu is possibly involved in the scam.

no idea what to believe

[vtecturbo]

If it was Oracle why did he come back on to the scene yesterday with his big "revelation"? Perhaps he knew someone was on to him and provided some disinformation?

oracle is suggesting that he believes doctorclu is involved in the scam, so according to hinguel's narrative oracle would be back to do what he is doing - making it look like doctorclu is possibly involved in the scam.

no idea what to believe

Lord god we will never get answers. Who can we trust? This is bull everyone blaming everyone im so confused who to believe

[penis]

11. Be careful using this forum, I've noticed odd goings-on and wonder if there may be exploits and such to unmask users.

like what exactly?  PM me if needed.

[Hiniguel]

If it was Oracle why did he come back on to the scene yesterday with his big "revelation"? Perhaps he knew someone was on to him and provided some disinformation?

oracle is suggesting that he believes doctorclu is involved in the scam, so according to hinguel's narrative oracle would be back to do what he is doing - making it look like doctorclu is possibly involved in the scam.

no idea what to believe

We know for a fact someone purposely led a false trail of evidence to Clu to suggest he took part in this scam.

I have teh evidence to prove such a thing. Now what does that tell you about what Oracle is trying to say... He is trying to latch the blame on to Clu.


However... Whoever tried to stitch up clu fucked up and we caught the fuck up. We now know for sure Clu wasn't involved. I have a strong feeling I know who is behind the Oracle name, and well sadly they are not smart enough for my team - as we know who they are.


Now, we are doing a massive jigsaw putting peices together to see what fits where and we are closing in. I mean, we are really fucking close.

[wittlestt0mat0]

If it was Oracle why did he come back on to the scene yesterday with his big "revelation"? Perhaps he knew someone was on to him and provided some disinformation?

oracle is suggesting that he believes doctorclu is involved in the scam, so according to hinguel's narrative oracle would be back to do what he is doing - making it look like doctorclu is possibly involved in the scam.

no idea what to believe

We know for a fact someone purposely led a false trail of evidence to Clu to suggest he took part in this scam.

I have teh evidence to prove such a thing. Now what does that tell you about what Oracle is trying to say... He is trying to latch the blame on to Clu.


However... Whoever tried to stitch up clu fucked up and we caught the fuck up. We now know for sure Clu wasn't involved. I have a strong feeling I know who is behind the Oracle name, and well sadly they are not smart enough for my team - as we know who they are.


Now, we are doing a massive jigsaw putting peices together to see what fits where and we are closing in. I mean, we are really fucking close.

Lazers are charged and ready for firin'.

[FrenchFries]

*gets popcorn*

Oh man oh man oh man. I really hope this works out. Imagine if Hiniguel gets everyone's coins back? That'd be something, wouldn't it? Heh.

[Valeyard]

*gets popcorn*

Oh man oh man oh man. I really hope this works out. Imagine if Hiniguel gets everyone's coins back? That'd be something, wouldn't it? Heh.

Im with ya. Watching this is like fucking House of Cards.

[Quarterto9]

Why are you doing this hiniguel. You don't even seem paticularly fond of this market place and given you mentioned spending half a mill on X Y and Z (And offering to pay TSC debt off) im guessing oyur not doing too bad for cash either. Even if you do find out who this guy is do you really think you can get the btc back. And even if you do then what?
All the big vendors are jumping ship. So are the customers. Any integrity this market place had is long gone. It's not worth saving imho.

[FrenchFries]

You really don't know why? :/ It's because of the principle. The fact of the matter is, scamming is WRONG.

This needs to be rectified. Hiniguel is a very, very caring human being too.

[Distantimporter]

I want to nominate these forums for the best screenplay of 2014.

Yea I decided to start reading these forums, rather than the funny's in the newspaper for my morning laugh.

[snowwhite421]

You really don't know why? :/ It's because of the principle. The fact of the matter is, scamming is WRONG.

This needs to be rectified. Hiniguel is a very, very caring human being too.

I know one thing, I don't know any of these motherfuckers. They could all be 1-3 people, even hiniguel could be in on the heist and this could all be diversion, all of it. They could all be friends, oracle included. Usually with things like this, the more far fetched and ridiculous the lie is, the easier it is to tell its completely bullshit. If you are going to lie, keep the lie close to the truth, its more believable. Though the far fetched shit, quantum computers, etc is enough to keep the high school kids suckered into the nonsense.

You people need to check yourself if you're vouching for anyone, your cosigns do not mean shit, you do not know these people, I do not give a fuck who you think did u a solid by sending you an order out one time. You do not know these people. You do not KNOW these people.

[besam191]

thank you hinguel any one that use SR one would know why he is doing this, godspeed hinguel remember all the community needs is a name not even.. and they will do the rest

[strykn]

Subbed. No one fucks with Hiniguel, he is like Liam Neeson from Taken.

[FrenchFries]

You really don't know why? :/ It's because of the principle. The fact of the matter is, scamming is WRONG.

This needs to be rectified. Hiniguel is a very, very caring human being too.

I know one thing, I don't know any of these motherfuckers. They could all be 1-3 people, even hiniguel could be in on the heist and this could all be diversion, all of it. They could all be friends, oracle included. Usually with things like this, the more far fetched and ridiculous the lie is, the easier it is to tell its completely bullshit. If you are going to lie, keep the lie close to the truth, its more believable. Though the far fetched shit, quantum computers, etc is enough to keep the high school kids suckered into the nonsense.

You people need to check yourself if you're vouching for anyone, your cosigns do not mean shit, you do not know these people, I do not give a fuck who you think did u a solid by sending you an order out one time. You do not know these people. You do not KNOW these people.

I know Hiniguel well enough.

[BlueSkiesRedEyes]

Sub.

[snowwhite421]

And what was it $500k that was paid to the hackers to locate the dox on the thieves supposedly? I honestly can't remember the number, may have only been $50k, but if it is $500k, who throws $500k of their own good money after a $2mil heist?

[Clapalot]

Does anyone recall someone saying 'sleepers' would be planted into the community and building themselves as trustful community members?
Imagine if they were just blaming each other to throw everyone off course whilst they made their getaway.
And they both keep telling you to wait for information whilst they fuck off successfully, and clear any trail they may have made?

Oracle, a mouthy wise-man, obviously has too much information on this to not have a CLEAR connection on the inside, or even be on the inside himself.

Hinguel, a self-claimed millionaire, is from London, as is StExo. Would have these connections that are being utilized (serious hackers, not script kiddies like whyusheep).
 
I swear I watch too many movies. Either I'm right, or I need to stop smoking

[HonoluluExpress]

And what was it $500k that was paid to the hackers to locate the dox on the thieves supposedly? I honestly can't remember the number, may have only been $50k, but if it is $500k, who throws $500k of their own good money after a $2mil heist?

It was $50k

[fallingsnow]

Why are you doing this hiniguel. You don't even seem paticularly fond of this market place and given you mentioned spending half a mill on X Y and Z (And offering to pay TSC debt off) im guessing oyur not doing too bad for cash either. Even if you do find out who this guy is do you really think you can get the btc back. And even if you do then what?
All the big vendors are jumping ship. So are the customers. Any integrity this market place had is long gone. It's not worth saving imho.

You bet he's doing OK for cash!  He got a piece of the pie too!  I highly doubt though that he spent any of it chasing after non-existent hackers. 

[nickt22]

The plot thickens.. Personally, I don't think it's fair to make any assumptions at this point in time without real evidence. So far, I've read plenty of logical explanations as to what happened but making accusations without proof...that's kinda like what LE tries to do..come on guys we're better than that. I am just as angry as any of you and have my own suspicions of corrupt admins. But for now, I think it's best for those wanting to get to the bottom of this to direct our energy to developing evidence rather than add to the many possible speculations on the forums.

[dimon114]

I just don't get it. Where is this trust coming from??

This is the guy that said he KNOWS who it is like 2 days ago...he said he contacted the thief, and now it's back to looking for evidence?

Maybe I'm missing something here???

[snowwhite421]

You really don't know why? :/ It's because of the principle. The fact of the matter is, scamming is WRONG.

This needs to be rectified. Hiniguel is a very, very caring human being too.

I know one thing, I don't know any of these motherfuckers. They could all be 1-3 people, even hiniguel could be in on the heist and this could all be diversion, all of it. They could all be friends, oracle included. Usually with things like this, the more far fetched and ridiculous the lie is, the easier it is to tell its completely bullshit. If you are going to lie, keep the lie close to the truth, its more believable. Though the far fetched shit, quantum computers, etc is enough to keep the high school kids suckered into the nonsense.

You people need to check yourself if you're vouching for anyone, your cosigns do not mean shit, you do not know these people, I do not give a fuck who you think did u a solid by sending you an order out one time. You do not know these people. You do not KNOW these people.

I know Hiniguel well enough.

Sure you do. Just like everyone still dick rides the admin here because they know they are good hard working people lmao. This shit is the biggest joke I've ever seen. So far I've seen a lot of nonsense accusations and presumptions hurled around and zero proof of anything. Wouldn't surprise me if they announced they found the thief or thieves and couldnt release the dox for opsec concerns. The loot is gone, it will not be coming back. Unless they grow a conscience and send it back voluntarily.

[aacsd308Win]

All these threads are just smoke grenades.  If you're under fire in combat, and shit is getting hectic, you pop smoke to try to conceal your position and more importantly, conceal your escape.

The *more* smoke grenades you pop, the more smoke and ... the more visibility is impaired.



Now there have been so many "smoke grenade" threads claiming everyone from JFK to Bush Jr. to some Frenchman sap to each and every insider on the market, no one wil lreally know who the fuck to believe or who to condemn etc.



Just more smoke grenades concealing the actual escape of the bad guy(s).

[wittlestt0mat0]

All of Oracle's posts were deleted by admins / mods - An entire story was covered here before deletion - http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/23/wtf-the-silk-road-2-0-dpr2-farce-explained/

[lashesxo]

You really don't know why? :/ It's because of the principle. The fact of the matter is, scamming is WRONG.

This needs to be rectified. Hiniguel is a very, very caring human being too.

I know one thing, I don't know any of these motherfuckers. They could all be 1-3 people, even hiniguel could be in on the heist and this could all be diversion, all of it. They could all be friends, oracle included. Usually with things like this, the more far fetched and ridiculous the lie is, the easier it is to tell its completely bullshit. If you are going to lie, keep the lie close to the truth, its more believable. Though the far fetched shit, quantum computers, etc is enough to keep the high school kids suckered into the nonsense.

You people need to check yourself if you're vouching for anyone, your cosigns do not mean shit, you do not know these people, I do not give a fuck who you think did u a solid by sending you an order out one time. You do not know these people. You do not KNOW these people.

I know Hiniguel well enough.

Sure you do. Just like everyone still dick rides the admin here because they know they are good hard working people lmao. This shit is the biggest joke I've ever seen. So far I've seen a lot of nonsense accusations and presumptions hurled around and zero proof of anything. Wouldn't surprise me if they announced they found the thief or thieves and couldnt release the dox for opsec concerns. The loot is gone, it will not be coming back. Unless they grow a conscience and send it back voluntarily.

No one is riding any dick (well, perhaps I do, but that's neither here nor there  ), they just aren't attacking the mods and admin as nothing has been laid out on the table clear enough for all of us to get a logical explanation and call me old fashioned but as far as I'm concerned you're innocent until proven guilty 

They have come through in the past and all coins were RETURNED. Before they knew for sure that would happen, they made an arrangement to pay back those affected. Sure, it was a minuscule amount in comparison, but that's not the point I'm making.

Also, it's a good thing I'm not in charge, because those of you with such attitude throwing out false accusations and name calling, making threats and harassing those in power... would simply go ignored. You wouldn't get a dime.

...not that that is the right thing to do, but seriously... fuck bitches. Be kind. Always. 

xoxox

[deanm]

Hiniguel, for what its worth you have my faith and i wish you best of luck in this. I hope no honest vendor / person loses money or gets hurt due to this.

This is it for me guys, the perceived risk is far too much than i am willing to assume. Maybe i am wrong, maybe not, but i am gonna follow my gut and call it a day.

See you on the other side peeps.



 

[oracle]

Welcome back. And this is HIGHLY interesting...

It's also highly full of shit.  The thread I mean.  Not you.

Say as you please, but DrClu will confirm that I have uncovered alot. More than even he knew.


Also, Clu I was possibly pointing blame to earlier. He is not to blame. CLU AND STEALTH CAN BE TRUSTED.

Thank you for stating so publicly.

Hiniguel has done some serious digging and from what he has provided to me, he has hired some VERY skilled people and proved it.

Oracle - Be afraid.

Clu - hold me 

As to the OP - first of it's not "The Oracle", its just "Oracle" buddy.. "The" was so 80's. Secondly.. I don't know how to put this.. but I'm not a staff member. Do you see any red or blue dots next to my name on the forum? Exactly..

And most importantly.. if I had stolen nearly $3million dollars.. you had better believe I would not be wasting my time on this forum with you schmucks. The reality is, I'd be too busy covering my tracks, deleting my accounts, hookers/blow, etc etc. But here's the thing - I'm not a thief, and I've actually outted who'm I have on some good authority is responsible.

The reason I can not get into serious detail about how I know Stexo is DPR2, is that it will harm other people who I think are innocent of this crime.. and they shouldn't get caught in the crosshairs. As for people asking me for Stexo's doxx.. that's something I can discuss privately since it's a bit complicated.

OP - a TL;DR for ya - I'm not staff, nor am I behind anything.

[nickt22]

I just don't get it. Where is this trust coming from??

This is the guy that said he KNOWS who it is like 2 days ago...he said he contacted the thief, and now it's back to looking for evidence?

Maybe I'm missing something here???

But in reality, it could take more research to get every aspect of the story.. all that is known for sure is that someone took a massive shit on SR users.. Definitely didn't intend to display trust at all here.. If this guy has identified the thief then GREAT. I must have missed that post.

[oracle]

If it was Oracle why did he come back on to the scene yesterday with his big "revelation"? Perhaps he knew someone was on to him and provided some disinformation?

oracle is suggesting that he believes doctorclu is involved in the scam, so according to hinguel's narrative oracle would be back to do what he is doing - making it look like doctorclu is possibly involved in the scam.

no idea what to believe

We know for a fact someone purposely led a false trail of evidence to Clu to suggest he took part in this scam.

I have teh evidence to prove such a thing. Now what does that tell you about what Oracle is trying to say... He is trying to latch the blame on to Clu.


However... Whoever tried to stitch up clu fucked up and we caught the fuck up. We now know for sure Clu wasn't involved. I have a strong feeling I know who is behind the Oracle name, and well sadly they are not smart enough for my team - as we know who they are.


Now, we are doing a massive jigsaw putting peices together to see what fits where and we are closing in. I mean, we are really fucking close.

CLU? I've actually gone out of my way to say on several occasions that Doc Clu is not involved, and he's a genuine person. Are you sure you aren't in some kind of drug WD induced paranoid state? I've had limited direct contact ith DocClu, but the communication we have had has been very cordial and friendly.. even up til last night. Provide me with 1 piece of evidence that I have "tried to latch blame on Oracle" or else shut the fuck up.

Stex, you want to play this game through surrogates? If thats the game you wanna play, then I can play it very well.

*cough* "Auditor" *cough*

[Venemous]

Welcome back. And this is HIGHLY interesting...

It's also highly full of shit.  The thread I mean.  Not you.

Say as you please, but DrClu will confirm that I have uncovered alot. More than even he knew.


Also, Clu I was possibly pointing blame to earlier. He is not to blame. CLU AND STEALTH CAN BE TRUSTED.

Thank you for stating so publicly.

Hiniguel has done some serious digging and from what he has provided to me, he has hired some VERY skilled people and proved it.

Oracle - Be afraid.

Clu - hold me 

As to the OP - first of it's not "The Oracle", its just "Oracle" buddy.. "The" was so 80's. Secondly.. I don't know how to put this.. but I'm not a staff member. Do you see any red or blue dots next to my name on the forum? Exactly..

And most importantly.. if I had stolen nearly $3million dollars.. you had better believe I would not be wasting my time on this forum with you schmucks. The reality is, I'd be too busy covering my tracks, deleting my accounts, hookers/blow, etc etc. But here's the thing - I'm not a thief, and I've actually outted who'm I have on some good authority is responsible.

The reason I can not get into serious detail about how I know Stexo is DPR2, is that it will harm other people who I think are innocent of this crime.. and they shouldn't get caught in the crosshairs. As for people asking me for Stexo's doxx.. that's something I can discuss privately since it's a bit complicated.

OP - a TL;DR for ya - I'm not staff, nor am I behind anything.

Your name doesn't have blue or red dots next to it, wow. Jeez, never thought of that. Hiniguel he just gave you definitive proof that he is not staff, what do you have to say? (I'm being facetious, and I think he is too because that is the stupidest reason I've ever heard.)

I agree with him on one count, if he had stolen the money I doubt he'd be on here. So maybe Oracle didn't steal it, but that doesn't mean he isn't working for/with the people who did. Perhaps paid by them to create a diversion to let the real thief slip away.

Hiniguel has said he is VERY close, so I'm just waiting for that anouncement. This is all just entertainment as I didn't lose a dime. Still, sad that SR2 had to go down this way.

[oracle]

All of Oracle's posts were deleted by admins / mods - An entire story was covered here before deletion - http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/23/wtf-the-silk-road-2-0-dpr2-farce-explained/

I didn't know my threads and posts were deleted? As of yesterday they weren't. If that's the case, then I'm going to take the gloves off and post screen shots that will rattle one person's world.

[HonoluluExpress]

Sub

[dankbank]

All of Oracle's posts were deleted by admins / mods - An entire story was covered here before deletion - http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/23/wtf-the-silk-road-2-0-dpr2-farce-explained/

I didn't know my threads and posts were deleted? As of yesterday they weren't. If that's the case, then I'm going to take the gloves off and post screen shots that will rattle one person's world.

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

[flydolphinfly]

oracle's right - he hasn't accused Clu publically, or hinted in any way that he is guilty. i must have mixed that up with hinguel, sorry. also i don't think any of oracle's posts have been deleted this time, his threads are still there.

[smoke2joints]

Welcome back. And this is HIGHLY interesting...

It's also highly full of shit.  The thread I mean.  Not you.

Say as you please, but DrClu will confirm that I have uncovered alot. More than even he knew.


Also, Clu I was possibly pointing blame to earlier. He is not to blame. CLU AND STEALTH CAN BE TRUSTED.

Thank you for stating so publicly.

Hiniguel has done some serious digging and from what he has provided to me, he has hired some VERY skilled people and proved it.

Oracle - Be afraid.

Clu - hold me 

As to the OP - first of it's not "The Oracle", its just "Oracle" buddy.. "The" was so 80's. Secondly.. I don't know how to put this.. but I'm not a staff member. Do you see any red or blue dots next to my name on the forum? Exactly..

And most importantly.. if I had stolen nearly $3million dollars.. you had better believe I would not be wasting my time on this forum with you schmucks. The reality is, I'd be too busy covering my tracks, deleting my accounts, hookers/blow, etc etc. But here's the thing - I'm not a thief, and I've actually outted who'm I have on some good authority is responsible.

The reason I can not get into serious detail about how I know Stexo is DPR2, is that it will harm other people who I think are innocent of this crime.. and they shouldn't get caught in the crosshairs. As for people asking me for Stexo's doxx.. that's something I can discuss privately since it's a bit complicated.

OP - a TL;DR for ya - I'm not staff, nor am I behind anything.

Right, because its impossible to have multiple accounts.  If you are not on the "inside" then how do you know so much?

So because Defcon, clu, ect been around they are 100% innocent too then?  Why are so many users accusing them of being a part of the scam even though they are still here?  If you were behind the theft, you could be haning around to obfuscate and misguide people into misplacing their blame.

Why even make a thread then if you cant back up any of your claims?  We are just suppose to believe all your vauge statements and claims with no proof?  Oracle, the burden of proof is on you.  You need to provide indisputable evidence if you want anyone to take you serious.

[doctorwhat]

just post the god damn screen shots already.

[TSCrew]

yes my posts were deleted, but I asked them to be.

I think I may have been a bit rash in running to the forum with a bunch serious allegations. I think all the stakeholders involved have the benefit of our community at hand.. and sometimes people are wrong. Don't crucify me. SteXo is a good guy.. and no offense Stex.. but I'm not convinced you'd even be cut out for the new DPR role! That being said.. "new DPR" sat myself and Stexo down to work out our grievances in private. What Stexo has said is true.. and without saying too much, I'll offer this. He was offered the job of site and forum admin.. and has for the time being turned it down. Why? I don't know. I hope he does continue to help behind the scenes though.

To the "new DPR".. if I caused any unnecessary trouble on the forums.. I apologize. I understand you've got nothing but the community and the old DPR's safety/reputation at the top of the list.

Wish I had something more juicy for you folks..

Oracle:
Please explain the bolded part. Was it just two of you but he had split personalities that day? Was this an in person greet....

[oracle]

All - there is an archive of SR1's forum (all posts, threads) out there somewhere. The COMPLETE forum (not the one scrubbed of all of Stexo's posts either after SR1 went down or by Stexo himself). Somebody please post the link up here ASAP. Once that's done, I will provide something delicious for all those who want to know a little about the thief.

DoctorClu - can you address the OP's claims that I've "been publicly tryign to latch blame on to you" please? I would appreciate it.

Defcon - I'm not publicly asking you get in touch with me, or I will assume this thread has a "green light" and I will be forced to talk about my very initimate knowledge of events and interactions with you publicly, which I had agreed I would never do out of principle.  I won't stand for being accused of this bullshit under any circumstances.. if that means spilling "all the beans", then so be it.

[nickt22]

All of Oracle's posts were deleted by admins / mods - An entire story was covered here before deletion - http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/23/wtf-the-silk-road-2-0-dpr2-farce-explained/

I didn't know my threads and posts were deleted? As of yesterday they weren't. If that's the case, then I'm going to take the gloves off and post screen shots that will rattle one person's world.

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

Lol @ Dankbank. That is the jist of what is going on in these entire forums.

[smoke2joints]

All - there is an archive of SR1's forum (all posts, threads) out there somewhere. The COMPLETE forum (not the one scrubbed of all of Stexo's posts either after SR1 went down or by Stexo himself). Somebody please post the link up here ASAP. Once that's done, I will provide something delicious for all those who want to know a little about the thief.

DoctorClu - can you address the OP's claims that I've "been publicly tryign to latch blame on to you" please? I would appreciate it.

Defcon - I'm not publicly asking you get in touch with me, or I will assume this thread has a "green light" and I will be forced to talk about my very initimate knowledge of events and interactions with you publicly, which I had agreed I would never do out of principle.  I won't stand for being accused of this bullshit under any circumstances.. if that means spilling "all the beans", then so be it.

Wait, let me get this straight.

You make a thread claiming you have "proof", and for days you string people along making new unproven claims that contradict your old unproven claims. 

You put yourself in this situation, no one is forcing you to give up any info you may have.

[wibo2k3]

Go ahead Oracle, you are the man.
Don't let yourself being drowned...

[FrenchFries]

Cross posting 'cause its funny and, well,.... nighty-night. Wonder what this'll look like when I wake up. Heh.

*facepalm*

I'm sorry, but to call Hiniguel (OR AstroHaven!!) a "stupid fuckwad" is downright wrong. lol. How can someone so rich, their vast wealth and fortune made via this business, be called a "stupid fuckwad"

Duh. You can't be called one. This is NOT an easy gig, pal. It's NOT easy money. There's so much work, so much stress... you have no idea. sigh.

This^^^^

[mdpv]
I already did it after your last hilarious post, but I'll just say it now. +1.

Thank you for being one of the few logical people out there. For being one of the few who isn't suffering from this horrifying and conflagrant mob-mentality that's spreading around here fastering than any wildfire I've seen or heard of. Rapid formations of pyrocumulus are popping up all over like fleas.

On top of that, since we seemingly hear about Australia often enough that it is likely connected to all of this (and I have profound knowledge of Australia, having grown up there). I can imagine the current conflagration copycating the 2003 Canberra fire when that gigantic pyrocumulonimbus let off let off a supercell lightning strom and caused an EF3 fire whirl.

First there's a fire... i.e. Defcon first shutdown SR. Then they think they have the fire under control... i.e. when Defcon opened SR... and then the fire just JUMPS and spreads, i.e. when Defcon hurridly shutdown the site AGAIN because it was "worse than originally thought."

Then Hiniguel comes and starts talking about it, trying to control the uncontrollable; i.e. a "conflagration". That backfires and DoctorClu gets angry, akid goes fag-level hater-mode on Hiniguel, and Hiniguel leaves. Fire abated, storm calms... thought to be "under control" again. Then the rain begins. All the while you were enjoying your time—wildfire free, I ought to add—in the comforts of your own home. But even Hiniguel couldn't keep the rain from falling, and finally putting the brush fire to rest...i.e. Oracle abating fears, claiming it was Defcon/DPR/StExo (Lol, I knew StExo very well on SR1, and Jack, and the whole lot of them. He's a smart guy, but... Lol)...

...while at the same time letting off a supercell lightning storm and starting an EF3 fire whirl, with Hiniguel's revelation that, in fact, ORACLE was the perpetrator, the storm come to life.

That firestorm back in 2003 perfectly foreshadowed this exact event.

Even down to the bare bones, with there being two levels on the EF scale higher—EF4, and EF5.

Tornado rating classifications
EF0   EF1   EF2   EF3   EF4   EF5
Weak   Strong   Violent
Significant
Intense

Sure, an EF3 is significant in the fact that it's "strongly intense," but the others... EF4 and EF5, they're significant in the fact that they're VIOLENTLY intense (no I'm not saying it in reverse, aka intensely violent—that's not true).

Oracle has some mad-shit coming down on him, and it's not friendly. It's not happy. And it knows who he is.

Run, kiddo. Run.

o.o *runs off to the comfort of her bed* o.o

Goodnight, guys. That was way long enough to be awake. Four days, I think? Jeez...

[/mdpv]

[pathfinder13]

All - there is an archive of SR1's forum (all posts, threads) out there somewhere. The COMPLETE forum (not the one scrubbed of all of Stexo's posts either after SR1 went down or by Stexo himself). Somebody please post the link up here ASAP. Once that's done, I will provide something delicious for all those who want to know a little about the thief.

DoctorClu - can you address the OP's claims that I've "been publicly tryign to latch blame on to you" please? I would appreciate it.

Defcon - I'm not publicly asking you get in touch with me, or I will assume this thread has a "green light" and I will be forced to talk about my very initimate knowledge of events and interactions with you publicly, which I had agreed I would never do out of principle.  I won't stand for being accused of this bullshit under any circumstances.. if that means spilling "all the beans", then so be it.

@oracle: don't begin to talk like right before christmas!!!!
YOU told us all that it was a well planned scenario (after the capture of the 3), and you only spread wrong accusations for days for buying some time for SR2!
Now you wanna come up with something else. Thanks a lot bro.

What cunts where running this site after October 4th.?? You all are a shame for mankind and doesn't deserve anything but the worst things in your lifes from now on 'till your (hopefully not too far away)  end!!!!!!!!!!!!

pathfinder13

edit: 'cause I don't know which are the bad guys in this movie: the sentences above are for the guys who did this shit - take it on your shoulders! And I really hope you only get the worst until now!

[DoctorClu]

All - there is an archive of SR1's forum (all posts, threads) out there somewhere. The COMPLETE forum (not the one scrubbed of all of Stexo's posts either after SR1 went down or by Stexo himself). Somebody please post the link up here ASAP. Once that's done, I will provide something delicious for all those who want to know a little about the thief.

DoctorClu - can you address the OP's claims that I've "been publicly tryign to latch blame on to you" please? I would appreciate it.

Defcon - I'm not publicly asking you get in touch with me, or I will assume this thread has a "green light" and I will be forced to talk about my very initimate knowledge of events and interactions with you publicly, which I had agreed I would never do out of principle.  I won't stand for being accused of this bullshit under any circumstances.. if that means spilling "all the beans", then so be it.

I have not been presented with any evidence to suggest you or anyone lead a path to me. Not even sure why they would. The only reason I said "Be Afraid", was because of what Hiniguel presented to me personally in regards to what his people are capable of.

At this point, I will not take sides. I have no bloody idea what is going on with all of this. It isn't out of anger directed at either party, but because I truly do not know what to think anymore...

[TSCrew]

yes my posts were deleted, but I asked them to be.

I think I may have been a bit rash in running to the forum with a bunch serious allegations. I think all the stakeholders involved have the benefit of our community at hand.. and sometimes people are wrong. Don't crucify me. SteXo is a good guy.. and no offense Stex.. but I'm not convinced you'd even be cut out for the new DPR role! That being said.. "new DPR" sat myself and Stexo down to work out our grievances in private. What Stexo has said is true.. and without saying too much, I'll offer this. He was offered the job of site and forum admin.. and has for the time being turned it down. Why? I don't know. I hope he does continue to help behind the scenes though.

To the "new DPR".. if I caused any unnecessary trouble on the forums.. I apologize. I understand you've got nothing but the community and the old DPR's safety/reputation at the top of the list.

Wish I had something more juicy for you folks..

Oracle:
Please explain the bolded part. Was it just two of you but he had split personalities that day? Was this an in person greet....

Answer this please.

[oracle]

All - there is an archive of SR1's forum (all posts, threads) out there somewhere. The COMPLETE forum (not the one scrubbed of all of Stexo's posts either after SR1 went down or by Stexo himself). Somebody please post the link up here ASAP. Once that's done, I will provide something delicious for all those who want to know a little about the thief.

DoctorClu - can you address the OP's claims that I've "been publicly tryign to latch blame on to you" please? I would appreciate it.

Defcon - I'm not publicly asking you get in touch with me, or I will assume this thread has a "green light" and I will be forced to talk about my very initimate knowledge of events and interactions with you publicly, which I had agreed I would never do out of principle.  I won't stand for being accused of this bullshit under any circumstances.. if that means spilling "all the beans", then so be it.

I have not been presented with any evidence to suggest you or anyone lead a path to me. Not even sure why they would. The only reason I said "Be Afraid", was because of what Hiniguel presented to me personally in regards to what his people are capable of.

At this point, I will not take sides. I have no bloody idea what is going on with all of this. It isn't out of anger directed at either party, but because I truly do not know what to think anymore...

Thanks Clu, I appreciate you clearing that up. Just for the record .. I have never "latched blame onto DoctorClu" as is absurdly claimed. I mean that's just flat out wrong on so many levels. Clu is my favorite .. sleeper So yeah, that's just a whacky accusation.

Also - I'm not a staff member, nor have I ever been, nor WOULD I EVER WANT TO BE!

Either the OP is a Stexo surrogate, in which case I can understand his wanting to deflect the heat.. or.. he's trolling... or he's genuinely a misinformed person. Either case, I've reachd out to him privately and have politely asked what this is all about? If I was "behind this", believe me I wouldn't be wasting my time mucking about on forums.. I would be $2.7 million dollars wealthier (off stolen funds) and would be planning my retirement.

If the reason for the post is what I think it is, then out come the screen shots and videograbs of me de-crypting messages from a couple of characters, going back months.. and believe me, that won't be good. You know what I'm talking about Stex.

[vince]

How many sq feet of alluminum foil do i need to protect myself from oracle?

[oracle]

yes my posts were deleted, but I asked them to be.

I think I may have been a bit rash in running to the forum with a bunch serious allegations. I think all the stakeholders involved have the benefit of our community at hand.. and sometimes people are wrong. Don't crucify me. SteXo is a good guy.. and no offense Stex.. but I'm not convinced you'd even be cut out for the new DPR role! That being said.. "new DPR" sat myself and Stexo down to work out our grievances in private. What Stexo has said is true.. and without saying too much, I'll offer this. He was offered the job of site and forum admin.. and has for the time being turned it down. Why? I don't know. I hope he does continue to help behind the scenes though.

To the "new DPR".. if I caused any unnecessary trouble on the forums.. I apologize. I understand you've got nothing but the community and the old DPR's safety/reputation at the top of the list.

Wish I had something more juicy for you folks..

Oracle:
Please explain the bolded part. Was it just two of you but he had split personalities that day? Was this an in person greet....

Answer this please.

Sorry, I didn't see this in all the clutter, but it's actually a very good question. That post was made on the request of DPR2 who said that "stirring up the pot" at that time would harm the community, and do no good. He requested I retract my position. Read it again.. it's a 180 from what I had originally posted hours ago. Like you said.. almost like a split personality thing. I am not proud of it.. but he had seemed genuine at the time and I didn't think he'd ever pull a stunt like this.


edit: didn't read the "in person greet" part - no.. like I said he requested me to post something along those lines. I've never even been to london. Sorry I, I didn't quite catch what you meant the first time.

[DoctorClu]

I just read through the pages of oracles posts.

He never tried to publicly "latch blame" onto me and in-fact both parties have stated multiple times that I had nothing to do with this attack. Again, I am not defending anyone, just stating facts.

[dankbank]

Jesus christ people, can we STOP THROWING SHIT AROUND and GET TO the FUCKING POINT! who did what?! If you have evidence post that fucking shit

[oracle]

I just read through the pages of oracles posts.

He never tried to publicly "latch blame" onto me and in-fact both parties have stated multiple times that I had nothing to do with this attack. Again, I am not defending anyone, just stating facts.

Thanks for clearing that up Doc.

I've always said Doc is a stand up guy and a decent, honest person. And this post above is exactly why. He's 0 bullshit and has integrity. I would never point a finger at someone I know is not only innocent but wasn't even brought into the "official loop" till later.

[TheBadger]

oracle, just post the screenshots or video grabs or whatever already. I have seen NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, only excuses. And not just from you, but from others. This entire forum has turned into nothing but speculation and conspiracy theories. There is an overwhelming amount of misinformation being spread around from all sides and it is abundantly clear that not one damn person has any idea what they're talking about. If you are going to make a claim, back it up. Same goes for you Hiniguel. Millions of dollars were stolen days ago and, despite what all of these armchair detectives think, we as a community have learned absolutely nothing.

[BioGen]

I just read through the pages of oracles posts.

He never tried to publicly "latch blame" onto me and in-fact both parties have stated multiple times that I had nothing to do with this attack. Again, I am not defending anyone, just stating facts.

Thanks for clearing that up Doc.

I've always said Doc is a stand up guy and a decent, honest person. And this post above is exactly why. He's 0 bullshit and has integrity. I would never point a finger at someone I know is not only innocent but wasn't even brought into the "official loop" till later.

we cannot take this somone know somthing!  doc we need an update this is life or death for people

bg

[oracle]

I just read through the pages of oracles posts.

He never tried to publicly "latch blame" onto me and in-fact both parties have stated multiple times that I had nothing to do with this attack. Again, I am not defending anyone, just stating facts.

Thanks for clearing that up Doc.

I've always said Doc is a stand up guy and a decent, honest person. And this post above is exactly why. He's 0 bullshit and has integrity. I would never point a finger at someone I know is not only innocent but wasn't even brought into the "official loop" till later.

we cannot take this somone know somthing!  doc we need an update this is life or death for people

bg

Isn't that Michael Jackson's "Beat It?" Or lyrically close?

[pathfinder13]

oracle, just post the screenshots or video grabs or whatever already. I have seen NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, only excuses. And not just from you, but from others. This entire forum has turned into nothing but speculation and conspiracy theories. There is an overwhelming amount of misinformation being spread around from all sides and it is abundantly clear that not one damn person has any idea what they're talking about. If you are going to make a claim, back it up. Same goes for you Hiniguel. Millions of dollars were stolen days ago and, despite what all of these armchair detectives think, we as a community have learned absolutely nothing.

Only look for the acting people:

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Re: Post Your Questions Here
« Reply #104 on: Yesterday at 11:45:31 pm »
As questions appear to have dried up and this thread has turned into more of a conspiracy discussion board, I'm locking it and going to start on preparing answers to all questions possible.

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We don't know who's who.
Atm there are "other" people spreading "information".......................................

OMG
what a world we live in???
I hope there's a hell at the end of our way. I know who will be there....

pathfinder13

[dimon114]

I just read through the pages of oracles posts.

He never tried to publicly "latch blame" onto me and in-fact both parties have stated multiple times that I had nothing to do with this attack. Again, I am not defending anyone, just stating facts.

Thanks for clearing that up Doc.

I've always said Doc is a stand up guy and a decent, honest person. And this post above is exactly why. He's 0 bullshit and has integrity. I would never point a finger at someone I know is not only innocent but wasn't even brought into the "official loop" till later.

we cannot take this somone know somthing!  doc we need an update this is life or death for people

bg

Isn't that Michael Jackson's "Beat It?" Or lyrically close?

No, and it's not a joke either.

[oracle]

Yeah.. I take that back.. probably in poor taste. I don't really know what else to say.. the title of this thread is just ludicrous on so many levels.. and I've reached out very cordially to the OP (whom I've never interacted with before in my life) asking him what's up with this bizarro allegation. So until I really hear from him I'm not sure what else I can add..

[dankbank]

add the screenshot you have?

[Cheese on Toast]

How much BTC have i gotta pay to see these screenshots and evidence?
Have been glued to this shit storm for 48 hours. NO SHOWERS

[oracle]

First I'd like to hear back from the OP, Hiniguel, who I've PM'd. I went through his posts and from what I see at first he was accusing DoctorClu, and then switched courses and has accused me and made a couple of claims (that I'm staff?!, that I latched blame onto Clu?! that I know some vulnerability/exploits used to steal the btc?!) that are just strange and incorrect.

That said, I get the feeling he's not acting out of malice and isn't anyone's surrogate.. and I might even venture that the guy's heart is in the right place (based on his "The Coins have X,Y,Z" thread) and is disgusted as everyone else by this theft and want's some justice. I think he's just incorrect (for the 2nd time), so I sent him a PM.

[The Cat]

YAK YAK YAK YAK ------- NOTHING


ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS -------- FISH!

[LurkerFuckYouCensors]

Hiniguel is fucking stupid (hate to say it but really)...

[shadinga]

Oracle, can you please clarify why you posted this on page 6 of this thread - 'Provide me with 1 piece of evidence that I have "tried to latch blame on Oracle" or else shut the fuck up.'
Also, do you have the option to post on here while your profile states that you are offline?  I may be missing something here so my appologies if I am, maybe this is possible but it strikes me as odd that I saw 3 posts of yours written in one tab of my browser while I refreshed another tab with your profile in it and you were not 'online' at the time of any of them.

[oracle]

Oracle, can you please clarify why you posted this on page 6 of this thread - 'Provide me with 1 piece of evidence that I have "tried to latch blame on Oracle" or else shut the fuck up.'
Also, do you have the option to post on here while your profile states that you are offline?  I may be missing something here so my appologies if I am, maybe this is possible but it strikes me as odd that I saw 3 posts of yours written in one tab of my browser while I refreshed another tab with your profile in it and you were not 'online' at the time of any of them.

I meant to say "latch blame on DocClu" as was accused by the OP. Clu has since said that's not the case and I've never pointed a finger at him.

As for posting offline.... anyone can do that. It's in your Profile Settings..it's not some secret feature, dont worry.

[patar]

lol http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=26424.0 first

[shadinga]

Okay cool, I'm sure you can appreciate how the first part might have read oddly.  The second thing was kinda what I expected but having not used the forum very much I wasn't sure.  Cheers.

[FrenchFries]

Isn't this exactly what you'd do, oracle, if you DID steal the bitcoin?

I mean, why bother running if you're anonymous and aren't dox'd? You'd stay here, defend your name, and possibly get in on another scam. Who knows?

You're doing what *I* would do if I was a jackass scammer.

[Dr,Manhattan]

DPR may or not be StExo.

But he isn't behind this - this is a mear cover up. A clever one at that.


Give it up, Oracle. I will be outing you sooner or later, you scumbag.

Let rip H man,stick the spanner in the works

[Dr,Manhattan]

What I don't get about this is:

Why would Oracle stay on the forums and chat with us all if he was the one to take it? Wouldn't the thief leave the site & forums (possibly lurk for amusement)?

This is singlehandedly the most entertaining thing to me in a while. This is fucking with my mind more than acid does lol. I'm litterally melting at all the outcomes this story has.

The best place to hide is where they least expect you to be!

[daddybee]

What I don't get about this is:

Why would Oracle stay on the forums and chat with us all if he was the one to take it? Wouldn't the thief leave the site & forums (possibly lurk for amusement)?

This is singlehandedly the most entertaining thing to me in a while. This is fucking with my mind more than acid does lol. I'm litterally melting at all the outcomes this story has.

The best place to hide is where they least expect you to be!

don't they say a criminal always returns to the scene of the crime?

[dimon114]

What I don't get about this is:

Why would Oracle stay on the forums and chat with us all if he was the one to take it? Wouldn't the thief leave the site & forums (possibly lurk for amusement)?

This is singlehandedly the most entertaining thing to me in a while. This is fucking with my mind more than acid does lol. I'm litterally melting at all the outcomes this story has.

The best place to hide is where they least expect you to be!

don't they say a criminal always returns to the scene of the crime?

Yeah but They are cops so...

[Ketatmine]

Interesntingly enough the Site Developer at Agora just posted this about 'Transaction Malleability'

http://[REDACTED - SPAM ADDRESS]/index.php/topic,1460.0.html

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Many services have recently had a lot of problems with Transaction Malleability.
We confirm that the problem exists and we consider it a minor design flaw in the Bitcoin protocol and/or common implementations. Without going into too much detail, definitions or arguments about how much of a flaw it is or whose fault it is, our perception is simply that Bitcoin has a Transaction Malleability issue which requires that software dealing with Bitcoin be written in a specific way that must deal with it, and that requirement is not entirely straightforward.

Our software is designed with, above all, the security goal in mind. After investigating the issue we now confirm that currently we know of no way in which Transaction Malleability could be used to steal coins from Agora.

Judging by our technical knowledge we would say that it is easy to understand how software using Bitcoin can be written in such way that it could be DoS-attacked by means of Transaction Malleability, and that this seems to be the case with some of the Bitcoin exchanges.
On the other hand we would also like to state that, from our technical perspective, it is very hard to imagine how one should design software in a way that it would be susceptible to coin theft by means of Transaction Malleability. In order to do that one must almost design it with that specific goal in mind (being susceptible to coin theft).
=======================================================================

Implying that either your developers are useless and need to be fired or the site was coded to allow you to pull this scam down the track.

From http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?topic=26424.60;topicseen

[Dr,Manhattan]

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[Dr,Manhattan]

Jesus christ people, can we STOP THROWING SHIT AROUND and GET TO the FUCKING POINT! who did what?! If you have evidence post that fucking shit

Yes,only monkeys can get away with throwing shit

[Dr,Manhattan]

Does anyone recall someone saying 'sleepers' would be planted into the community and building themselves as trustful community members?
Imagine if they were just blaming each other to throw everyone off course whilst they made their getaway.
And they both keep telling you to wait for information whilst they fuck off successfully, and clear any trail they may have made?

Oracle, a mouthy wise-man, obviously has too much information on this to not have a CLEAR connection on the inside, or even be on the inside himself.

Hinguel, a self-claimed millionaire, is from London, as is StExo. Would have these connections that are being utilized (serious hackers, not script kiddies like whyusheep).
 
I swear I watch too many movies. Either I'm right, or I need to stop smoking

And thats because you have been over to their places for tea,right?

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SR2 massive scam about to hit very soon.
« on: January 31, 2014, 07:52:18 pm »

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no Auto Finalize/no resolution center  coins are pilling up massively whitout anyone even realising  what s coming .

there is propably couple millions $$ just  in escrow alone and no one is fucking complaining.

You guys really think it takes more than a month to implement a resolution center?how dumb  are you

This is about to be the biggest scam in the history of the darkmarkets.

Defcon postponing dates again and again,then annoucing that a fix has been done when clearly it hasn t done shit ?(captcha)in this case.

Can t you fucking see throught their bullshit and blatant lies that the ship is about to go down the drain very soon??wake the fuck up .

[Jones909]

Silk Road is dead.

[besam191]

im pretty sure theyre talking about the ADMIN/MOD named "the oracle" people

[Hiniguel]

The Oracle is not who we once thought he was. I apologised to him for the accusation, however that accusation has led us down the road to the theory we have now.


We are not going to share it with the community until we have that one peice of undeniable evidence just so no one can argue our claims. When you find out, do not lose faith in SR. Defcon has stayed loyal. Kept us in the dark, and lied - yes, he has. However, he isn't the thief and what he lied about was just human error/poor judgement to what he thought would be best for the community. He's a good leader . He did his best to prevent this, so don't lose any form of belief when we reveal what we do. Defcon tried to stop the thiefs greed and stop the attack, however he couldn't and in this circumstance it is understandable.



All will make sense soon - Like I said though we are scouting for that one peice of evidence to show you all that proves who we are saying it is, is the one who done it. We will find it, we promise you that.

[weather420]

I wonder how much the journalists reading this will earn from publishing this story?

[VanillaRoyale]

Awaiting patiently for team Hiniguel conclusion.   Trust in their methods.

[Bart3r]

The Oracle is not who we once thought he was. I apologised to him for the accusation, however that accusation has led us down the road to the theory we have now.


We are not going to share it with the community until we have that one peice of undeniable evidence just so no one can argue our claims. When you find out, do not lose faith in SR. Defcon has stayed loyal. Kept us in the dark, and lied - yes, he has. However, he isn't the thief and what he lied about was just human error/poor judgement to what he thought would be best for the community. He's a good leader . He did his best to prevent this, so don't lose any form of belief when we reveal what we do. Defcon tried to stop the thiefs greed and stop the attack, however he couldn't and in this circumstance it is understandable.



All will make sense soon - Like I said though we are scouting for that one peice of evidence to show you all that proves who we are saying it is, is the one who done it. We will find it, we promise you that.

How exactly was Defcon trying to stop the theif when he was offline for a week?

[Dr.MDA]

I wonder how much the journalists reading this will earn from publishing this story?

I was thinking about sticking around and putting everything together in a story but im lazy ha

and hiniguel is full of shit originally he has he had picture proof of the hacker messaging the staff member but yet he has changed the blame several times after seeing who it was, he is either starving for attention(and your all giving it to him,oh yahhs get my coins backs lolxors!111) or he had someething to do with the heist and is trying to get you all of his/there tail

[Dr.MDA]

All of Oracle's posts were deleted by admins / mods - An entire story was covered here before deletion - http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/23/wtf-the-silk-road-2-0-dpr2-farce-explained/

I didn't know my threads and posts were deleted? As of yesterday they weren't. If that's the case, then I'm going to take the gloves off and post screen shots that will rattle one person's world.

they did so where is it
you talk ALOT of talk

[oracle]

The Oracle is not who we once thought he was. I apologised to him for the accusation, however that accusation has led us down the road to the theory we have now.


We are not going to share it with the community until we have that one peice of undeniable evidence just so no one can argue our claims. When you find out, do not lose faith in SR. Defcon has stayed loyal. Kept us in the dark, and lied - yes, he has. However, he isn't the thief and what he lied about was just human error/poor judgement to what he thought would be best for the community. He's a good leader . He did his best to prevent this, so don't lose any form of belief when we reveal what we do. Defcon tried to stop the thiefs greed and stop the attack, however he couldn't and in this circumstance it is understandable.



All will make sense soon - Like I said though we are scouting for that one peice of evidence to show you all that proves who we are saying it is, is the one who done it. We will find it, we promise you that.

Thank you Hiniguel. For the record, myself and Hiniguel spoke privately and I can also assure everyone he's a standup guy, he's a gentleman and he's on the same side as everyone else. And he is fucking blood thirsty to track down the responsible person.

Also regarding Defcon, in my opinion it takes a measure of courage to make the explanation he did earlier and come clean about the theft, about the inner works and failings revolving around having similar code to the antiquated and (now proven) broken Gox engine, and other security lapses. I'm not saying I trust Def 100%, I don't. But I don't trust anyone 100% and truth be told people make mistakes.

Ponder this - if Defcon was involve in an inside job/heist nearing $3 million dollars.. he would have done with the Shep Market guy did and fucking vanished. No need to stick around to placate a fractures and suspicious comminty.. up and vanished.

This is my opinion, I share it with Hiniguel and I share other opinions with Hiniguel.. I'm going to be handing him over some stuff that I think might be beneficial in his and his team's work in bringing the thief to his knees. As I don't have the resources or manpower to hunt someone down, I will be handing over some stuf to Hin.

[ScrewsLoose]

All of Oracle's posts were deleted by admins / mods - An entire story was covered here before deletion - http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/23/wtf-the-silk-road-2-0-dpr2-farce-explained/

I didn't know my threads and posts were deleted? As of yesterday they weren't. If that's the case, then I'm going to take the gloves off and post screen shots that will rattle one person's world.

they did so where is it
you talk ALOT of talk

[oracle]

All of Oracle's posts were deleted by admins / mods - An entire story was covered here before deletion - http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/23/wtf-the-silk-road-2-0-dpr2-farce-explained/

I didn't know my threads and posts were deleted? As of yesterday they weren't. If that's the case, then I'm going to take the gloves off and post screen shots that will rattle one person's world.

they did so where is it
you talk ALOT of talk

How many times must this be said? There is a balancing act, it's not black and white. Posting irrefutable screen shots may lead to other parties being put in awkward positions.. so I am trying to figure out a way to do that.
I am not in the business of harming Defcon or other moderators by proxy..incompetence one can argue, but if I for a second believed he was responsible for this I would reveal details of previous freelance work he farmed out to me in the past and theres a gentlemans understanding not to do that.

Myself and Hiniguel have on principle agreed to share some information with each other as this guy really has solid proof, so there should be coming soon. Working out the logistics. If some of you are impatient, then unsubscribe to this thread or the other threads and cary about your business knowing someone out there has $3M of your money.

Realize there is LE and other malicious fuckers (and the thief himself) reading every word everyone writes. One slip, and the wrong person is exposed wide open, and I'm not putting that on my conscience. Hence, things take a little bit of time collating data.

[piecesofaman]

Sub dat shit...

[flightisnormal]

Too much talk and little of anything else. very little.
Whoever is still watching you can have my popcorn.

[AbraxasRiseth]

I want to nominate these forums for the best screenplay of 2014.

  +1

[OzFreelancer]

I wonder how much the journalists reading this will earn from publishing this story?

Believe it or not, the world's mainstream media doesn't have the hard-on for Silk Road stories that many people think it does. This is more blog fodder.

So, not much probably

[Dr.MDA]

you all say you know who did it and have all this prove that youve moved amongst yourselves, its ok for you guys to know ,but you will threaten posting it but you never actually will because you dont want to say the wrong person did it even though you know they did it for sure

wtf is that bs

this is a game these people are playing your coins are gone forever
it sucks move on
dont play into this drama

[riseup]

WAKE THE FUCK UP. facts are over 2million coins have been stolen and these guys are playing you like a bunch of idiots. For all you know and very likley these accounts are all the same person trying to distract you from what has just happened the biggest scam in the history of the darknet.

[FrenchFries]

riseup, follow what your names and rise with us, or rise up off of your chair and leave.

Why are you even HERE if you feel that way? Makes zero sense to me.

[Novalue]

THIS IS BS!

Oracle is a faggot and is part of the SR team, dont trust that faggot!!!

Hinigual, im not too sure about yet, he have been promising alot of stuff lately, treat him as a faggot too!!!

SR is dead, if you seriously choose to stay here, then you also deserve to be treated like a faggot!!

Wake the fuck up! Do you really think, SR staff will work over a year without payments to fully refund us? This is becoming more and more abviouse how BS this whole deal is.

How convinient, RIGHT before the new SUPPORT and AF gets implented, the thief steals all the money!!!

[Lief]

The Oracle is not who we once thought he was. I apologised to him for the accusation, however that accusation has led us down the road to the theory we have now.


We are not going to share it with the community until we have that one peice of undeniable evidence just so no one can argue our claims. When you find out, do not lose faith in SR. Defcon has stayed loyal. Kept us in the dark, and lied - yes, he has. However, he isn't the thief and what he lied about was just human error/poor judgement to what he thought would be best for the community. He's a good leader . He did his best to prevent this, so don't lose any form of belief when we reveal what we do. Defcon tried to stop the thiefs greed and stop the attack, however he couldn't and in this circumstance it is understandable.



All will make sense soon - Like I said though we are scouting for that one peice of evidence to show you all that proves who we are saying it is, is the one who done it. We will find it, we promise you that.

I hope you do find irrefutable proof, rather than all the baseless and unhelpful accusations that have been floating around the forums thus far. I appreciate it's not as easy as looking "secret internet hacker/thief" up in the online Yellow Pages and the more time that passes, the harder it must get to follow the trail.

So far, we've seen Dr.Clu, Oracle and StExo blamed by various people and then hours later those accusations appear to have been retracted. (Or is StExo still in the cross-hairs?). These accusations are dangerous and what's whipping up the mob mentality.

People are forgetting this isn't a harmless murder mystery it's someone's life that's on the line if they get outed as the thief.

But good luck with your search, Hiniguel, if anyone can hunt down the thief then I'm sure it's your team.

For the rest of us, it's time to take a step back and wait until there's undeniable proof of who the thief is.

Personally, I don't hold out much hope, but if it comes and the stolen money is returned then great.

[dankbank]

How do I unsubscribe from this POS thread?

[chosen]

How do I unsubscribe from this POS thread?

At the top is the logout button.  Then look around at the other markets that don't have all this drama...

It's funny so many people stick to the SR name for safety because "the other markets are all scams".
But it is SR that scams everyone while elsewhere people get what they need with no BS attached.

People really are sheep deep down.

[saganlives2]

I'm sure most will agree that just sitting here pointing fingers and riling up the masses isnt going to get us anywhere anytime soon.

At least Hiniguel stepped up right from the start and swore to seek out those responsible or what little justice can be found.
Anyone making an active and conscious effort to find these bastards deserve AT LEAST the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone is welcome to their own theories I suppose, but besides creating more and more each day, I see no reason why such insinuation should be held to a higher standard than what Hiniguel and only a handful others are doing. All of us were robbed by maybe a handful of people for all we know.

Getting mad or on the nerves of the only ones that at least seem to be honestly trying to figure this out,
will most certainly not be productive in any way.

All you halfwits who are raging on pure instinct and no rationale whatsoever, are not helping in any way.

Just for one second, try to rationally consider all possible options to thoroughly solve this.
I doubt acting like an irratic 10 year old who just got beaten at monopoly, will do anything to help solve this matter.

Of course we need to keep pointing out the flaws in past and future explanations and keep our critical thinking on full alert.
But please do consider that at least some of the people trying to help have only the best of intentions. Spamming threats all over without even going through the pages isnt going to help them achieve their goal any sooner.
I would plead to the contrary, to be frank.


Saganlives

[chemicals_spain]

soon all will know, this is good for the community, I am interested to know that really happened and someone explain from the beginning to the end

[unforgiven]

sub

[VanillaRoyale]

you all say you know who did it and have all this prove that youve moved amongst yourselves, its ok for you guys to know ,but you will threaten posting it but you never actually will because you dont want to say the wrong person did it even though you know they did it for sure

wtf is that bs

this is a game these people are playing your coins are gone forever
it sucks move on
dont play into this drama

This isn't drama.   This is life and death.  Someone may or may not pay for this and it has to be decided with absolute certainty who is likely the thief.  We are allowed privileged information and certain things should and cannot be posted here if it is not the right time.  Not only is the information going to the community, it is going out to all LEO.  This is strategic meaneuvering.   We will know what we are allowed to know when the time comes. 

[dimon114]

Yeah, but why say "there's no suspect. I know who did it." in the XYZ thread?

I'm holding out hope in Hin, but if I just look at the facts I have to say this is a bunch of bull.


No offence or anything Hin, but if I spent a small fortune on information and that info turned out to be false, I'd be soooo pissed..

[weather420]

I wonder how much the journalists reading this will earn from publishing this story?

Believe it or not, the world's mainstream media doesn't have the hard-on for Silk Road stories that many people think it does. This is more blog fodder.

So, not much probably

Blog fodder can easily develop into one hell of a story...Shit, I might become a fucking author.What ever happened the the SR documentary?

[FriendOfTheDevil]

This whole situation is arghhhhh!

I didnt want to believe Stexo would have stole the coin but its becomming pretty clear that DPR2 was the one who robbed us and ran and its looking like StExo is the real DPR2.

I trust and like Defcon but i think he is torn on wheather to admit the truth or not (someone may have his doxx)

Right now, i trust the remaining mods for the sole fact that they have remained. And theyre basically our only source of *official* information.
And i am begining to like Oracle and Hiniguel a lot. They have certainly earned my respect and i can tell they are both passionate and on our side and truely looking out for the community.

Interesting to see where the next few days/weeks will take us. Above all everyone stick together and fuck scammers, LE, and traitors to the cause!

[ChinaCat101]

Holy shit this is fear and loathing on the dark web happening before our eyes.

[barbijuana]

Holy shit this is fear and loathing on the dark web happening before our eyes.

This is bat country, ChinaCat... Bat country.