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Folks,

I think there is some confusion here what with Oracle's fireside chat style of writing and the various admin/moderator posts, so I'm going to do my best to put together a condensed, concise, perhaps even bulleted, listing of facts leading up to the present.

- - -- Beginning at an unknown date, DPR1 had a policy of requiring collateral in the form of documentation of identity for some of his team members. We know that among those required to hand over this info were Inigo, Libertas, and samsamebutdifferent. Cirrus and some other members of the team appear to have joined up without having to comply - likely due to lower levels of access.

- - -- StExo was a popular, prolific poster of valuable information on the now-defunct original SR forums. It is well known that he can be considered an expert in both IS and physical security.

- - -- On 2 October 2013, Ross Ulbricht was arrested on the suspicion that he is DPR1. During his arrest, the gestapo seized his laptop, which was later shown to have been fully logged onto, with all passwords and challenges answered. This, obviously, has allowed the gestapo access to everything on that computer. We know that DPR1 was not proficient in security or privacy.

- - -- Relatively quickly after Ross's arrest was made public and indictments unsealed, members of the original Silk Road administrative team, including *but not limited to* Astor, StExo, Libertas, contract web developers, and various unnamed stakeholders came together to decide what to do. Obviously, the decision was made to rebuild.

- - -- Initially and for obvious reasons, Libertas was the apparent DPR2 de-facto nominee, but declined due to his identity being compromised by way of DPR1. It wouldn't do to have the po-po dig up the new leader's passport scan in Ross's desktop Recycle Bin.

- - -- As Libertas was potentially compromised, the next choice was StExo. As  previously stated, StExo is a security expert and through prolific involvement in the community had proved himself a more than capable leader. StExo declined for reasons related to having already made plenty of money.

- - -- The next choice, who will remain unnamed, was another prominent member of the community. Security expert, capable leader, no purchase history or vending, no disastrous skeletons lurking in old clearweb forum posts. This individual became DPR2. With a captain chosen, the next step is to build the ship and create disaster response procedures.

- - -- The team began building the site, new from the ground-up. This took time, and is still ongoing as I write this.

- - -- DPR2 went about creating response plans to various scenarios. One of these plans, unfortunately, had to be activated. This plan included what will be referred to as sleepers - members of the community who were to establish trust and conduct themselves in such a manner as to be respected by a majority of the userbase so that they may fill in various admin roles in a serious emergency. Continue to next bullet.

- - -- On or about 20 December 2013, individuals alleged to be Libertas, samesamebutdifferent, and Inigo were arrested simultaneously. At this time it is unclear if they became known to gestapo via computer forensics or via Ross's mouth - but this is immaterial. This clearly fell under the "NUCLEAR" category of serious shitstorms. DPR2 initiated and executed his plan and, as they say, skipped town.

- - -- The aforementioned "sleeper" members are now your new moderators. Defcon, whose existence was well known but his role was previously not disclosed, took over as the market and forum administrator, head honcho, as you will.

- - -- A series of disinformation, misinformation combined with a lack of any real information over the following days was actually a constructed period of confusion designed to allow the transition to take place and to give DPR2 the chance to make the arrangements he needed to make to ensure his safety and security.

- - -- To restate what has been stated already and for emphasis: NO ONE on the SR team currently is known to DPR1. DPR2 was not known to DPR1 - let me be clear - DPR2 was chosen while Ross Ulbricht sat in a jail cell. The best he could do is guess at who his successor was.

- - -- Here we are. We are saddened by the capture of our friends and teammates, but strengthened in spirit as we, as a community, will not let them endure this injustice for naught.


This is the truth, with as much detail as can safely be disclosed. Credit to Oracle, and various moderators whose information I used to create this basic set of facts. Oracle, to his credit, did a fine job keeping everyone very busy speculating, as was his job from the start - this is just a slightly easier to read version for those of us with short attention spans.

It's time to celebrate the holiday,and have a drink for our teammates under the chains of law enforcement. As you have dinner with your family, friends, or do whatever it is you do to celebrate this time of year, take a moment to think of Ross Ulbricht, Andrew Michael Jones, Gary Davis, and Peter Phillip Nash. Then, get ready to hit the ground running after the holiday break with the knowledge and assurance that we are in extremely capable hands.

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Sounds good. :)

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I have no clue. I remember him stating in no certain terms on the old forums that he was bowing out. The Security sub-forum was an incredible wealth of knowledge there. Ours is shaping up to be just as good, if not better with Nightcrawler, Yoda and the rest.


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Thank you for putting this together, Nero. It definitely helps clear things up for those who haven't been following recent events.
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Not a problem, though I'd rather there be no recent events of this nature to be followed, I figure if there are, they may as well be a single clearinghouse to follow them in.




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Thank you Nero. This about nails it. Forgive my allover-the-place oratory skills.. after all I am no Roman Emperor!

But yep, this is the concise timeline. Should clear up any remaining confusion.
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One question. If this is true why has dprjr skipped town? Seriously. I'm not being a smartarse this time.
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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2013, 05:08:03 am »
aussie,

Please be specific - who are you referring to as 'dprjr?'

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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2013, 05:23:36 am »
Man I wish I would get chosen as a sleeper moderator. Too bad you guys don't accept those who talk about their drug use on here. No matter, Mr.X's wonder Emporium shall soon come to light and dwarf the mighty Silk Road empire


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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2013, 05:27:42 am »
I can't bring myself to call him that he has brought shame to it. The one who refers to himself as your captain(,always be wary of people who refer to themselves in the 3rd person) Who signed a post with stexo key in first series of posts.
If he hasn't doxxed himself why would today be different to a week ago. Nothing has changed for him. All speculation aside, facts only, this is off dprs PC or he has spoken to le. Again I'm being serious now and I'm.sober I don't drink. But merry Xmas and sometimes im a smartarse and I apologize nero for that.
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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2013, 05:33:41 am »
DPR2 skipped town because he felt the heat coming down and didn't want to end up like Ross. If Ross would have walked away early and not get greedy, he could be sitting on an Island somewhere retired. But now he is in a cell
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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2013, 05:38:53 am »
Can't we All just Get Along?   

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These have been very trying times in our House.

Pulling some of our Family away from others...some feeling shunned, others feeling like they were cheated on.
I say this to you All, I've been here for a while now, and quite honestly, i sometimes feel as though i, myself have been pushed aside by some that i thought i knew...do what you're going to do, people.

I'll continue to stay here because i feel as though that at the end of the day, through all of this...thick and thin...this is the best place for people to get their Meds & for others to get their Fixes.

 That being said, i'll leave you all with Happy Holiday Wishes & Hugs Goodnight.


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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2013, 05:47:26 am »
aussie,

Based on my post you're referring to DPR2 - damn near all his staff was swept up in a global sting. That is way more than enough of a reason for him to transition out of the DPR role rather quickly, would you not agree?

He is a very security conscious man, he said from the very beginning that his time here would be finite, and it turned out he had to jet a bit sooner than he may have wanted to, but a plan was in place for that very eventuality, and you have watched it play out over the last several days.

What people need to remember is the arrests of our friends are events that, unfortunately, are products of the previous iteration of Silk Road's seizure and DPR1's arrest. As Defcon stated, no one has been arrested for participation in SR2, and the plan is to keep it that way by having solid planning and opsec in place.

There will be endless speculation about his (DPR2) previous darknet identity/ies (if any) and I can't speak to that as I simply do not know, nor is it my place to know and quite frankly I am content to let him live out his days in peace unmolested.

That's the attitude we should all be taking here. The unending quest to identify the guy is only going to cause harm.


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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2013, 06:33:54 am »
Great post. Thanks for helping us understanding everything!

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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2013, 07:20:38 am »
Thanks Nero,

certainly puts to bed a lot of the crap that has been flung around.
 
I can only agree with some of the other posters here and acknowledge that all that really needs to be known about anyone in any position of control is that they will undertake their roles professionally and safely and keep the site as impenetrable as possible to the nosy parkers out there.
There is so much that can be learned from the DPR Allbrict mistakes and hopefully the knowledge gained  can be  used to not have them repeated.
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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2013, 07:30:21 am »
You guys keep saying that no one on SR2 is compromised, but the issue of DPR2's account being compromised still needs to be answered.

What was up with the key change? This combined with his lack of his communication to other staff members implies that his account was taken over by LE.

Would you please clarify what is the status with his forum account and why there are suddenly a *lot* of forum threads/posts missing?
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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2013, 08:06:55 am »
I can assure you that no one who should not have access to any admin functions here will have access to them.

There may or may not be some pruning of posts going on by the staff in an attempt to protect those just arrested (removing particularly incriminating posts, etc) I do not know if this is the case, but were I the one making the calls I would likely be doing just that.

Seeing old posts disappear is not cause for alarm, and LE will not have access to the DPR account. Be that as it may, all communication from the DPR account is to be disregarded until we are told otherwise by Defcon.

At this moment in time Defcon is the captain of this ship.

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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2013, 09:36:16 am »
Thanks for the concise version Nero
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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2013, 12:15:07 pm »
- - -- Relatively quickly after Ross's arrest was made public and indictments unsealed, members of the original Silk Road administrative team, including *but not limited to* Astor, StExo, Libertas, contract web developers, and various unnamed stakeholders came together to decide what to do. Obviously, the decision was made to rebuild.

Shouldn't that be "members of the original Silk Road administrative team and others?. I don't think people like StExo were members of the admin team.

Aside from that, thank you for the excellent summary.

I say this to you All, I've been here for a while now, and quite honestly, i sometimes feel as though i, myself have been pushed aside by some that i thought i knew...do what you're going to do, people.

These have certainly been proving times and I've seen some nastier sides of people I was (and in most cases still am) fond of. Stress and panic can do that to people :(

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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2013, 01:25:03 pm »
Based on my post you're referring to DPR2 - damn near all his staff was swept up in a global sting. That is way more than enough of a reason for him to transition out of the DPR role rather quickly, would you not agree?

He is a very security conscious man, he said from the very beginning that his time here would be finite, and it turned out he had to jet a bit sooner than he may have wanted to, but a plan was in place for that very eventuality, and you have watched it play out over the last several days.

If he truly did get away then that is fantastic news. There's been hints dropped that more than just the 3 that were announced have been arrested so lets hope those rumors are false.

I wonder if DPR2 will drop by anonymously down the road to check how his baby is going without him? Surely he must be curious and want to know that SR2 survived and his (and the other 3's) work and planning in such an emergency paid off.

Now, looking towards the future... any word on when we may expect to see a DPR3?

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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2013, 03:07:32 pm »
DPR2 did his job.  Setup a backup plan and system, design a whole new SR and security measures to ensure it doesn't go down, and then when shit started to hit the fan, take off.  I don't think this current DPR had any intentions of sticking around very long.  He wanted to ensure everything was up and properly working, and hand it off.  He just probably didn't expect all of this to happen at this very second.

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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2013, 05:16:54 pm »
Hang on nothing has happened that involves him.
You say he is security expert I disagree here is couple examples and he knows it and that is part of reason he has legged it the other being he has bitten off more than he can chew.
Also read link on allthingsvice about exos values. Against legalizing drugs and stuff contradictory to things that the dpr posts convey.

This was done to make money first and thats the only reason the only reason.
Basic opsec failures caused by greed.
Took on the role and then in rush to be a mouth mistakenly  signs dpr post with his own key.
Takes on the role knowing full well that libs etc were compromised. But he couldn't not take them on as without them esp libs there is no role.
Now everyone says Ross made basic opsec errors well Ross was a genius compared to this clown.
I'm all for silkroad and a DPR but not one who has no credibility.
This one was put up by people who knew they were jail bound and now we know that we must condem it and them. (I don't want anyone in the clink) but look at the facts they sold their freedom for a dollar so how can we trust anything they said. On this behavior it will be a race to see who can make a deal and sell out anyone or anything. Its not bad luck its a shit go they did. They betrayed us.
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2013, 08:11:45 pm »
Thank you Nero!!!

That was a very thorough and readable account of the events of the past months.  Your post is 100% what was needed here so everyone can know (within the bounds of security) what went down and why.  I'm really happy to have an account that is drama-free and to the point. I'm sure there are many details underlying all of this the we never will know, and we all should be OK with that - in an environment such as this, every detail of what goes on behind the scenes should not be known.

I still do not understand what the point of oracle's 'psy-ops' were, or why he thinks we all should have been madly speculating, but that's the past and we all hope that we can move on to create a stronger and more secure Silk Road.

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« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2013, 08:48:55 pm »
Thanks for the summary Nero, it's very helpful information in the middle of a lot of confusion.

To those of you wondering about DPR's account being 'compromised', perhaps it will help to think of it like this:

Replace 'compromised' with 'abandoned'. It is true that DPR did leave instructions in case of an emergency - and these instructions are what have been followed to the letter.

Please also remember that a change of key does not necessarily mean a change of character.

And please remember that I made an announcement early on in the re-building of Silk Road, which was endorsed with the signature of DPR's key. If I thought in any way that DPR had been 'compromised' in the sense of LE involvement, or if I thought for a moment that the direction of our community was moving in a way that was out of line with the original plans, I would not be here right now.

I am only here because I have seen the original team's emergency plans followed to the letter.

Nero's summary is very good, please take a moment to refresh yourself.

And here's hoping you're all having a fantastic 25th December.

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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2013, 10:13:44 pm »
Thank you for the summary.  Very clear and easy to read!

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« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2013, 10:25:39 pm »
- - -- Relatively quickly after Ross's arrest was made public and indictments unsealed, members of the original Silk Road administrative team, including *but not limited to* Astor, StExo, Libertas, contract web developers, and various unnamed stakeholders came together to decide what to do. Obviously, the decision was made to rebuild.

Shouldn't that be "members of the original Silk Road administrative team and others?. I don't think people like StExo were members of the admin team.

Aside from that, thank you for the excellent summary.


Yes, you are correct. He was a pillar of the community but not staff - mistyped that but the general message is still the same. Thanks for catching that though. I won't be editing that post for the obvious reasons, and anyone can verify it simply by pasting it into your pgp client of choice and making sure the signature's valid.

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Re: Recent Events - a (more) concise presentation of fact and circumstance
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2013, 11:45:46 pm »
Good post Nero. I used to chat regularly with Samesamebutdifferent and Inigo on SR1 under a different name, so it's crazy seeing them arrested.
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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2013, 02:07:30 am »
Thanks Nero    +1

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« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2013, 02:45:48 am »
Thanks for the great post.

Helps me understand amist the Fud.
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« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2013, 04:06:15 am »
Nero, thanks for chiming in. I have a question for you though.

The other day you blew a gasket with anger at Oracle. Within minutes you deleted your comments and suddenly were drinking the lemonade. Can you shed some light on what happened that quickly to lead to your post deletions and change of heart? Certainly oracle did not PM you that entire story in that short period of time.

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« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2013, 04:24:53 am »
Great post, thanks.
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« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2013, 04:46:39 am »
Nero, thanks for chiming in. I have a question for you though.

The other day you blew a gasket with anger at Oracle. Within minutes you deleted your comments and suddenly were drinking the lemonade. Can you shed some light on what happened that quickly to lead to your post deletions and change of heart? Certainly oracle did not PM you that entire story in that short period of time.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2013, 04:49:54 am »
granniespanties,

I bought his act (which was what should have happened) - the man was good at pissing people off, including me.

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« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2013, 06:31:44 am »
Thanks for the summary Nero, it's very helpful information in the middle of a lot of confusion.

To those of you wondering about DPR's account being 'compromised', perhaps it will help to think of it like this:

Replace 'compromised' with 'abandoned'. It is true that DPR did leave instructions in case of an emergency - and these instructions are what have been followed to the letter.

Please also remember that a change of key does not necessarily mean a change of character.



This got me thinking -- maybe the key was changed for the new DPR? A new key for a new DPR sounds reasonable.

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« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2013, 11:46:57 am »
But it changed it before he did a runner. He has not posted since either so i doubt there is a new DPR at the helm yet
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« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2013, 01:08:49 pm »
granniespanties,

I bought his act (which was what should have happened) - the man was good at pissing people off, including me.

Nero, with (sincere) due respect, you really did not answer the question. I appreciate and am cognizant of your reply, but the question was asking what had changed your mind in such a short time? I know it has been explained that it was an act but you seem to have been convinced of this long before the psy ops explanation was posted. And also, you have gone from a vigorous skeptic to an unofficial site spokesman on this subject (based on the encouragement from the blue blocs ITT). Don't get me wrong, I like you in this role.

I still can't seem to grasp however what caused the sudden 180 that happened in that thread, in just minutes, that facilitated the drastic change in your confidence. I saw the unedited posts and it was a rather dramatic shift in your stance. What could possibly have been told to you so quickly that caused your complete dismissal of your previous concerns?

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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2013, 02:55:57 pm »
Thanks for taking the time out to write this Nero, it was hard to follow everything with all the BS being said. This sums it all up in a nut shell. Keep up the good work guys. We will prevail no doubt. Enojoy your holidays this year and be ready to rock once we come bcak on line. Cant wait for the new year.......

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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2013, 04:39:58 pm »
Thanks for taking the time Nero.

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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2013, 04:40:19 pm »
  So if DPRs were like Popes, Ross would be John Paul II, DPR2 would be Benedict XVI(gracefully bowed out), and whoever takes his place will be Pope Francis?  Awesome!
    I'm not trying to say anything good/bad about the Roman Catholic Church here, but this makes sense.
   I'm personally hoping DPR3 is some kind of Keanu Reeves, because you could have a bus with a bomb on it, and Sandra Bullock could be driving it at 50mph+, or the world could get taken over by machines, and cyber-punks could have to fight it with hover-crafts, or the site ravaged by a badass gang of surfing bankrobers led by Patrick Swayze, and either way, new DPR would still end up on top. 
    I know 47 Ronin just came out, but we should really have someoone check with Keanu's Agent to see if he's around, although I guess someone just as good with a lower profile would be better.
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« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2013, 05:11:38 pm »
… although I guess someone just as good with a lower profile would be better.

Wonderful :))
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« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2013, 06:08:57 pm »
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« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2013, 07:08:18 pm »
granniepanties,

Based on Oracle's post, Defcon's posts, DPR2's posts, the indictments and complaints posted on PACER of those involved who have been arrested thus far, everything fits together like a puzzle, for me at least.

I decided to write all of it up with a little more clarity and re-post it...I'm not waving the pom poms behind the disinformation, simply because I responded emotionally to it and now we're talking about it  :P .


edit: I think the mods acknowledged this post because it is accurate on the whole, which I appreciate. The majority of it came from Oracle's writeup.

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« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2013, 07:49:26 pm »

And please remember that I made an announcement early on in the re-building of Silk Road, which was endorsed with the signature of DPR's key. If I thought in any way that DPR had been 'compromised' in the sense of LE involvement, or if I thought for a moment that the direction of our community was moving in a way that was out of line with the original plans, I would not be here right now.

I am only here because I have seen the original team's emergency plans followed to the letter.


I was wandering why you left and then was suddenly a Mod (it did freak me out a little). Thanks for that V it makes much more sense now.
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2013, 12:20:01 am »
i usually have to play Chess to get this kind of foresight and intellectual prowess.These are very strage times indeed. The cat and mouse adventures, huge ups,stomach churning downs. When we wil find Smooth Seas??

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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2013, 09:19:34 am »
In the begining with SR1 all of the commisions went to DPR1 (Ross), whom did all the commissions go to at the advent of SR2? The admins and DPR? Where are they going now?
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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2013, 09:56:58 am »
In the begining with SR1 all of the commisions went to DPR1 (Ross), whom did all the commissions go to at the advent of SR2? The admins and DPR? Where are they going now?
Does anyone care?

as long as someone is operating the site safety and securely I don't care who gets the commission, its down to them to sort out. When I do my weekly food shop I don't worry where the money is going once I hand it over in the supermarket, no real difference here. :)
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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2013, 12:23:31 pm »
In the begining with SR1 all of the commisions went to DPR1 (Ross), whom did all the commissions go to at the advent of SR2? The admins and DPR? Where are they going now?
Does anyone care?

as long as someone is operating the site safety and securely I don't care who gets the commission, its down to them to sort out. When I do my weekly food shop I don't worry where the money is going once I hand it over in the supermarket, no real difference here. :)
what about your shipping addresses surely the feds will have them ? id use pgp regardless of whos operating this ship
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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2013, 07:12:20 pm »
In the begining with SR1 all of the commisions went to DPR1 (Ross), whom did all the commissions go to at the advent of SR2? The admins and DPR? Where are they going now?
Does anyone care?

as long as someone is operating the site safety and securely I don't care who gets the commission, its down to them to sort out. When I do my weekly food shop I don't worry where the money is going once I hand it over in the supermarket, no real difference here. :)

what about your shipping addresses surely the feds will have them ? id use pgp regardless of whos operating this ship
just my 2 cents  ;)

If you use pgp for your shipping address, then the SR servers should not ever have your address and neither should LE. Your pgp address is passed through to the vendor and never decrypted until the vendor does it on his computer. If LE gets to a vendor's computer, then they would get your address if the vendor has saved it. They are not supposed to do that, but we all know that many probably do.

Bottom line - the reason to always use pgp is so that your info is never on the SR servers. When LE took down SR1, they did not get anyone's address unless they did not use pgp.
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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2013, 01:02:59 am »
In the begining with SR1 all of the commisions went to DPR1 (Ross), whom did all the commissions go to at the advent of SR2? The admins and DPR? Where are they going now?
Does anyone care?

as long as someone is operating the site safety and securely I don't care who gets the commission, its down to them to sort out. When I do my weekly food shop I don't worry where the money is going once I hand it over in the supermarket, no real difference here. :)

what about your shipping addresses surely the feds will have them ? id use pgp regardless of whos operating this ship
just my 2 cents  ;)

If you use pgp for your shipping address, then the SR servers should not ever have your address and neither should LE. Your pgp address is passed through to the vendor and never decrypted until the vendor does it on his computer. If LE gets to a vendor's computer, then they would get your address if the vendor has saved it. They are not supposed to do that, but we all know that many probably do.

Bottom line - the reason to always use pgp is so that your info is never on the SR servers. When LE took down SR1, they did not get anyone's address unless they did not use pgp.
exactly  *trust no one*  ;)
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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2013, 03:38:05 am »
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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2013, 04:12:33 am »
come on people,your are like a dog with a bone,let it go ffs!
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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2013, 04:33:12 am »
... DPR2 initiated and executed his plan and, as they say, skipped town.

- - -- The aforementioned "sleeper" members are now your new moderators. Defcon, whose existence was well known but his role was previously not disclosed, took over as the market and forum administrator, head honcho, as you will.

What evidence do you have that DPR2 'skipped town'. Ive read through all the information on the forum and I could draw very different conclusions than what you have outlined here.

It seems to me that its just as likely the whole disinformation campaign you refer to is just trying to cover the trail, and in fact DPR2 is very much still with us and is in fact Defcon. This is what it looks like to me and this is how i'll be viewing the situation.

I suppose you have inside information and contacts?

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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2013, 05:01:38 am »
DizBitch,

Honestly, you may believe whatever helps you sleep at night. I don't claim to have any inside information or contacts.

If you were DPR2, would you have stuck around? Why would he? I promise you he isn't Defcon, Defcon has been around for quite a while and has been stated by staff the two have had vigorous discussion with eachother on the staff forums.

DPR2 would have to have split personalities to the degree of Coachella in order for your claim to be true.

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« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2013, 08:32:57 am »
i usually have to play Chess to get this kind of foresight and intellectual prowess.These are very strage times indeed. The cat and mouse adventures, huge ups,stomach churning downs. When we wil find Smooth Seas??
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« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2013, 09:12:13 am »
In the begining with SR1 all of the commisions went to DPR1 (Ross), whom did all the commissions go to at the advent of SR2? The admins and DPR? Where are they going now?
Does anyone care?

as long as someone is operating the site safety and securely I don't care who gets the commission, its down to them to sort out. When I do my weekly food shop I don't worry where the money is going once I hand it over in the supermarket, no real difference here. :)


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« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2014, 09:01:03 am »
Happy 2014 SR!!

Much have happen recently here. Many mis information, true information and speculate has been tell.

We see things said that are not correct but see how no other people are posting the corrections we assume the correct information has been guarded well enough so we not correct it. Important to understand that these details are not relevant to buyers and vendors or matter to daily use of site. It is clear that some things don need to be said to protect assets.

In dark market trust is blind. A person we meet IRL two month ago can be caught by LE and decide to help LE or be compromise and can post messages signed with old PGP key and verify past details perfect. Have good OPSEC that include PGP and these things small concern to buyers/sellers.

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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2014, 09:50:15 pm »
Thx Nero that brings us to speed.
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