Want to know what's going on? Here's what we know. Facts and Theories.

[Hedgewitch]

There's still a lot of confusion and misinformation going around. Here's a run-down of what we know, particularly in light of threads mysteriously disappearing (I think we all know why they are disappearing...). The original "WARNING" thread from last night has vanished entirely, and included information from oracle, as well as some confirmation from ChemCat that what oracle said was correct.

There was a lot of feet-stamping and "who the fuck are you" attitudes towards oracle in the thread, accusing him of being a troll. Cirrus and Chem vouched for him. On a personal note, I and a couple of other members remembered oracle's original protests regarding the leadership of SR2, but as I am no one of significance I had no further information as to what the problems were. Oracle has mentioned that he will carry guilt for not speaking up sooner. I believe he should be thanked for forwarding the information he did.

A mixture of facts, theories and my own personal opinions. Make of it what you will, but I hope it helps some of the people trying to understand what the fuck is going on. If anything is glaringly incorrect please feel free to tell me and I will edit it.

1. Libertas, Inigo and Synergy (aka, SSBD) have been arrested. They were likely found because they handed over their dox to DPR1, aka Ulbricht. All three of them are irresponsible and jeopardized the safety of EVERYONE here by continuing to promote a black market when their "boss" is incarcerated. It is absolutely shocking that their hubris and greed allowed them to take such a risk. They literally handed over their real life identities to Ulbricht then went on to create/support SR2, despite knowing full well that they were COMPROMISED. That's right. Libertas, Inigo and Synergy KNEW THEY WERE COMPROMISED the day SR1 was taken down.

2. The dox on the admins/mods either came from Ulbricht's laptop (we all know he wasn't fond of encryption) or he squealed, which is also a possibility considering Dratel's announcement of a plea bargain.

3. Oracle expressed doubt as to the leadership of SR back during the shitstorm of the initial seizure. He was harassed and threatened (presumably by DPR2) and eventually kept quiet.

4. StExo, a prominent money launderer and tech savvy member who earned a fair bit of respect with his crawls and backups of vendor pages/pgp keys supported SR2 since the day of the seizure. StExo was allegedly offered the job of DPR2 and declined. For anyone with a brain cell, it looked like a really bad misinformation campaign. BUT, with StExo being respected by certain higher-ups, it seemed likely that he'd be smart enough to stay the fuck away from the DPR2 role.

5. Oracle posted last night that both he, Ulbricht and other mods had an issue with "DPR2" and his attitude, knowing him to be greedy with narcissistic character flaws. These opinions were known to the higher-ups pre-seizure. Compromised admins/mods (Lib, Syn, Inigo) supported him regardless of his unsuitability for the role. (And why the fuck wouldn't they? After all, they were compromised too!)

6. Cirrus and ChemCat were left in the lurch by DPR2, who has been on the run since his mods were arrested. This was initially speculation/a highly probable conclusion, but has since been confirmed by Eileen @ All Things Vice, as she received a private PM from DPR2 before he disappeared. It was confirmed that DPR2 had planned in advance to run after the arrests.

7. Cirrus and ChemCat are the only responsible and "trustworthy" (as far as black market's go) mods left. Both have tried to do their jobs to the best of their ability and genuinely have everyone's best interests at heart.

8. Defcon is possibly DPR2, there are several reasons why this could be possible. Oracle has stated that DPR2 is here and active under the nym Defcon. Personally, I believe oracle to be legit as fuck, as I stated last night in the now deleted thread. If oracle says DPR2 = Defcon, I think there is a high probability of it being true.

9. Oracle stated that certain bitcoin wallets were emptied the day of the arrests. Unfortunately I think this may have been deleted.

10. Oracle is coming forward with some not-so-subtle comments that DPR2 is in fact StExo. If this is the case, DPR2 is likely also compromised. In fact, regardless of whether it's StExo or not, I think it's fair to say that DPR2 IS COMPROMISED, *and*, like the mods, he was compromised since the seizure of SR1 as Ulbricht probably knows his identity. A likely theory is that StExo was laundering money for DPR and the mods, which is why so much RL information was exchanged. Either way, Ulbricht will be able to easily identify DPR2, so he is compromised regardless of which other nyms he may have used.

11. "The Successor" aka DPR3 is possibly the same bullshit story Ulbricht ran about passing the mantle. "The Successor" is possibly DPR2.

[EDIT]

12. StExo did "contract work" for Ulbricht in relation to the site-crawl, which garnered him a lot of respect from many vendors. It seems that this was not a purely altruistic act.

13. StExo is assuredly DPR2, confirmed by a reliable source who has several methods of proof. There is currently no reason to release the evidence as it may further compromise StExo aka DPR2 as well as the defense strategies of admins/mods. (I personally have not seen it, but trust the source).

14. Cirrus will not dispute many of the statements oracle makes, and he knows them to be true. IMO, Cirrus is one of the only good men left standing and is probably rocked with emotional turmoil right now.

15. Defcon is StExo. This has been alleged by oracle. On a personal note, I recall a certain post StExo made during the seizure of SR1, just before deleting his account. The words and phrasing used by both StExo and Defcon are eerily similar.

16. And the most damning evidence. DPR2 once mistakenly signed a message on this forum with StExo's PGP key, which SEVERAL people saw. There are vendors and users out there who KNOW this to be true.

[/EDIT]

I hope this puts a few things into perspective, particularly for those hero-worshipping all over the place.

Peace.

[oracle]

This is a very accurate summary. Hopefully Hedge's thread doesn't get "accidentally deleted" like Cirrus's thread did, or like Raoul Duke's account did!

You know, there's some irony in this article : http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/

The title of the article? "Ambition Has No Rest".

Let's all hope this "ambition" doesn't end up with more people getting incarcerated (including DPR2, remaining staff, buyers/vendors being lulled into a false sense of security by a "contingency plan" that is not as well thought out as it should be.

[inanna]

Can you give more details on the btc wallets being emptied?

[Hedgewitch]

This is a very accurate summary. Hopefully Hedge's thread doesn't get "accidentally deleted" like Cirrus's thread did, or like Raoul Duke's account did!

You know, there's some irony in this article : http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/

The title of the article? "Ambition Has No Rest".

Let's all hope this "ambition" doesn't end up with more people getting incarcerated (including DPR2, remaining staff, buyers/vendors being lulled into a false sense of security by a "contingency plan" that is not as well thought out as it should be.

Thanks, Oracle.

Further info to add to the list of facts, I'll edit the OP and tag it on to the end.

12. StExo did "contract work" for Ulbricht in relation to the site-crawl, which garnered him a lot of respect from many vendors. It seems that this was not a purely altruistic act.

13. StExo is assuredly DPR2, confirmed by a reliable source who has several methods of proof. There is currently no reason to release the evidence as it may further compromise StExo aka DPR2 as well as the defense strategies of admins/mods. (I personally have not seen it, but trust the source).

14. Cirrus will not dispute many of the statements oracle makes, and he knows them to be true. IMO, Cirrus is one of the only good men left standing and is probably rocked with emotional turmoil right now.

15. Defcon is StExo. This has been alleged by oracle. On a personal note, I recall a certain post StExo made during the seizure of SR1, just before deleting his account. The words and phrasing used by both StExo and Defcon are eerily similar.

16. And the most damning evidence. DPR2 once mistakenly signed a message on this forum with StExo's PGP key, which SEVERAL people saw. There are vendors and users out there who KNOW this to be true.


Please note that it is not my intent to compromise StExo in any way and I have refrained from posting other information because of that. I have nothing against StExo and would have quite happily followed him through SR v2 to the end, because he earned my respect from much of the posts he made on SR1. However, I do feel that there is obviously a side to him that many admins/mods were aware of, that us "nobodies" have not seen. Or perhaps we're seeing it now that his self-preservation is kicking in...

[LevelHead]

Subbing to see others opinions. I haven't followed the forum very closely this week. What a roller coaster!!!

Stay safe everyone

[oracle]

I just pray to my spegetti monster thru my tinfoil hat that you are spreading fud with no evidence.

O dear spegetti monster please tell me oracle is a false profit?

It's spelled "prophet".

[Hedgewitch]

I just pray to my spegetti monster thru my tinfoil hat that you are spreading fud with no evidence.

O dear spegetti monster please tell me oracle is a false profit?

I can assure you this is not FUD. It is quite clear which parts of the OP are fact and which are my own theories. I know this is difficult to deal with, personally I've been around since SR1 and I certainly had a lot more faith in StExo, Libertas, SSBD and Inigo than I probably should have. I am on a bit of an emotional rollercoaster myself, both shocked and appalled that they would actively put the entire community at risk in this manner.

[Hedgewitch]

Uhh...

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but I like got some copies of threads from private areas (see my post history) and just spoke to Defcon.

Defcon is not DPR.

Stexo is somebody, but Defcon is online, or was about an hour ago.

Thank you for the input, Raoul. This was alleged by oracle. Someone suggested in another thread that the Defcon account was an elaborate red herring, to the point that the mods (Cirrus/ChemCat) potentially had no idea that DPR2 and Defcon are one and the same. I have no proof of this either way but speculate it is possible, particularly based on the similar wording of StExo's SR1 farewell post and Defcon's new contingency post.

Please not that I am not claiming as a fact that they are one and the same, only speculating that it is possible/likely. However, I think it's safe to say that DPR2 = StExo is a fact.

[Hedgewitch]

Nah man, he's alive and isn't DPR. I think DPR is running.

http://torimagesbp2vt3u.onion/i/5AakP.png <---- inbox UTC time

DPR has had what, 48 hours or so to run? It was over 36 hours before Cirrus posted that the account may be compromised. He's likely already where he planned to be. The fact that Defcon is online and DPR is not doesn't discount the potential that Defcon=DPR. Again, speculation, but at this point we as vendors and customers have been told so much false information that I feel it's important to put everything out there and let people come to their own conclusions.

Technically, if Defcon is not DPR *but* DPR knows his RL identity OR previous SR1 identity, he's equally fucked anyway.

The only people left to put any smidge of trust in (IMO) are our peers, fellow vendors, long-term community members, Cirrus and ChemCat.

[HoneyBee]

Why would DPR send a journalist a message that he was going to run?  this was before the arrests...or after they happened that he messaged her?

[Hedgewitch]

Why would DPR send a journalist a message that he was going to run?  this was before the arrests...or after they happened that he messaged her?

FWIW, DPR was planning the exit from the moment the arrests happened.

Astonishingly, he took the time to PM me that he wouldn't be around to help on the book any more and to strap in for a "very rough ride"

http://silkroad5v7dywlc/index.php?&topic=10759.msg196468#msg196468

If Eileen could pop in with further information I'm sure the community would greatly appreciate it.

[kholegurner]

To all the people "Outing" Dpr 2 for his real identity aren't you worried about the backlash. If what you say is true your'e pretty much exposing his subterfuge to everyone including LE. Especially if his identity is already known to people who are arrested. Guys most likely compromised wouldn't you think.

[TandyLanory]

I am not much more than someone who just watched the whole SR1 and SR2 events unfold, reading the forums daily but rarely posting, and from the very end of SR1/start of SR2, I thought/knew StExo was the new DPR. Just from the way he spoke, his incredibly high level of intelligence, his involvement and respect he had on SR1. I always thought it was him, and I have no involvement or inside knowledge on either of the sites. I remember the way he dox'd someone who was causing trouble on the old SR1 forums, always thought he was the real deal.

[oracle]

And crowning yourself DPR2, assuring the community everything is foolproof when you KNOW (and many people know) that Ross and a handful of staff knew who you are.. is..smart? It's unselfish? Lulling an entire community/movement/site/vendors/buyers into a false sense of security.. is..?

[Hedgewitch]

To all the people "Outing" Dpr 2 for his real identity aren't you worried about the backlash. If what you say is true your'e pretty much exposing his subterfuge to everyone including LE. Especially if his identity is already known to people who are arrested. Guys most likely compromised wouldn't you think.

FYI, I haven't outed anything regarding DPR2's real identity, as I can honestly say I have no clue who he is. All I have confirmed is that he went under the nym StExo in SR1, which MANY users already knew due to a poor misinformation campaign as well as the fact he signed a post using StExo's PGP key in the early days of this forum.

If StExo shared any revealing information with Ulbricht, the feds have it regardless. I certainly don't know anything about him personally and if users were able to deduce this themselves you can bet your arse the feds did, too.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who ever shared any identifying information with Ulbricht (that includes Libertas, SSBD, Inigo and possibly StExo), should have never been in any position of power during the creation or maintenance of SR2 and it was highly irresponsible of them to continue as they did. They should have got the fuck out of dodge the minute DPR1 was arrested.

[kholegurner]

Yeah that makes sense. So what would you suggest is the best course of action. Personally I think I'm going to stay way from buying online for a while or at least for a couple of months, to see how this all pans out. NelsonMuntz and Subtickle both have contact details up and have a track record of proffesionalism. dunno how I'd feel about about buying without escrow but that might have to be the case.

[MrCoffee]

Thanks Hedgewitch. Do we have any real idea why the market is still up?

[Akon]

Nah man, he's alive and isn't DPR. I think DPR is running.

http://torimagesbp2vt3u.onion/i/5AakP.png <---- inbox UTC time

DPR has had what, 48 hours or so to run? It was over 36 hours before Cirrus posted that the account may be compromised. He's likely already where he planned to be. The fact that Defcon is online and DPR is not doesn't discount the potential that Defcon=DPR. Again, speculation, but at this point we as vendors and customers have been told so much false information that I feel it's important to put everything out there and let people come to their own conclusions.

Technically, if Defcon is not DPR *but* DPR knows his RL identity OR previous SR1 identity, he's equally fucked anyway.

The only people left to put any smidge of trust in (IMO) are our peers, fellow vendors, long-term community members, Cirrus and ChemCat.

Your logic is debunk! If Defcon is fucked becuase DPR knew his doxx, so is Cirrus and Chem?!


The only outcome of this gonna tear a part every thing we have build up.


Oracle: What is your motives here? Dont give me the community and safety answer. Lets say DPR/Defcon pass the torch, will you jump up and give it a try?

Here is your time to shine, because you say you want a change and involve the community much more, but the problem is you dont come up with a soloution, you only want change what is now......? But change shouldnt happend before a proper soloution is in place. So how you want to handle this?

[hobgoblin]

Bottom line: Silk Road Brand is kaput!

Darknet market model is kaput!

All involved are kaput!

Bitcoins are... Okay.

[UnfinishedSentenc]

Will keep an eye on this thread. I for one am taking a step back for a small while and will watch how this unfolds.

[cRandom]

This is a really good write up. Well done, OP.

[OzFreelancer]

Why would DPR send a journalist a message that he was going to run?  this was before the arrests...or after they happened that he messaged her?

FWIW, DPR was planning the exit from the moment the arrests happened.

Astonishingly, he took the time to PM me that he wouldn't be around to help on the book any more and to strap in for a "very rough ride"

https://silkroad5v7dywlc.to/index.php?&topic=10759.msg196468#msg196468

If Eileen could pop in with further information I'm sure the community would greatly appreciate it.

It wasn't anything dramatic. It was a personal message, not writing to me as a journalist and was in response to a message I sent to him (pre-arrests), telling him I would be hitting him up for more info for my book early in the new year. He said he wouldn't be around that long and that it was going to be a rough ride. This was about 2 hours after the arrests. I got one more PM from him after that and I committed to keep the not being around info to myself until the official announcement was made.

[CaptainWhiteBeard]

Why would DPR send a journalist a message that he was going to run?  this was before the arrests...or after they happened that he messaged her?

FWIW, DPR was planning the exit from the moment the arrests happened.

Astonishingly, he took the time to PM me that he wouldn't be around to help on the book any more and to strap in for a "very rough ride"

https://silkroad5v7dywlc.to/index.php?&topic=10759.msg196468#msg196468

If Eileen could pop in with further information I'm sure the community would greatly appreciate it.

It wasn't anything dramatic. It was a personal message, not writing to me as a journalist and was in response to a message I sent to him (pre-arrests), telling him I would be hitting him up for more info for my book early in the new year. He said he wouldn't be around that long and that it was going to be a rough ride. This was about 2 hours after the arrests. I got one more PM from him after that and I committed to keep the not being around info to myself until the official announcement was made.

Thanks for the information

[Nibbles]

Yeah that makes sense. So what would you suggest is the best course of action. Personally I think I'm going to stay way from buying online for a while or at least for a couple of months, to see how this all pans out. NelsonMuntz and Subtickle both have contact details up and have a track record of proffesionalism. dunno how I'd feel about about buying without escrow but that might have to be the case.

nelson is using riseup - whose tos explicitly says no nefarious dealings.  It's quite likely his account will get shutdown.

[LoveUnderWill]

Bottom line: Silk Road Brand is kaput!

Darknet market model is kaput!

All involved are kaput!

Bitcoins are... Okay.

Sr maybe

Darknet markets as a whole concept are in no way going anywhere completely any time soon, some one will do it right eventually

I can agree bitcoins are going to be ok I hope.

[Artist]

My first account on this forum was one of the first 100 users, and it appears some of the posts I will reference are long since gone or edited.

First I would like to offer some speculation on the DP2/StExo connection. Keep in mind I am not attemting to make any conclusions, only offering up my experiences. Initially, I experienced a lot of trouble getting myself verified as a vendor here. The initial vendor requirements stated that you had to have your PGP key posted on the old SR forum before the takedown. This put a lot of vendors that did not use the forums frequently out of luck.

However, those that were on the forums during the aftermath of the takedown know that StExo worked to back up silk road vendor profile pages as they existed before the servers were believed to be imaged by LE. I personally downloaded that backup and found my vendor page and informed DPR of this, giving him the local file name as found in the backup (where my PGP key could be found on the backed up page). Unfortunately, this was not sufficent as DPR told me personally VIA PM that he did not trust StExo's backups which were stated to have been taken before server imaging; but rather that he trusted the SR forum which very well could have been in LE hands at the time.

Why would DPR not trust his own backup?

DPR also had some very weird actions that come to mind at the very start of this forum when it was <100 members. If I recall correctly, he had made some thread about "Security" in this subforum. What was odd was the signature he put at the end of his post (still in the post body, not a signature that is attached to every post). He signed the post "-Inigo". No less than a hour or two later he changed it to "-I". I then replied with a snarky comment after seeing his edits, saying something along the lines of "Interesting edits we have here". This can be verified if the thread is still around I would guess. Then another few hours after his first edit, he removed the "-I" signature.

Why was he signing posts as "-Inigo", and why did he feel the need to remove it?

Artist

[DrawkwarD]

Way to do the feds work for them guys

[VanillaRoyale]

Misinformation is the game of kings.

[rustyshackleford]

What's going on? dude has a personal life and family too, it is fucking Christmas. Here's what we know? not a goddamn thing so shut your fucking mouths and PATIENTLY wait.

[Akon]

What's going on? dude has a personal life and family too, it is fucking Christmas. Here's what we know? not a goddamn thing so shut your fucking mouths and PATIENTLY wait.

Come on rusty, dont give me that attitude on X the mass day. ^^

[Hedgewitch]

My first account on this forum was one of the first 100 users, and it appears some of the posts I will reference are long since gone or edited.

First I would like to offer some speculation on the DP2/StExo connection. Keep in mind I am not attemting to make any conclusions, only offering up my experiences. Initially, I experienced a lot of trouble getting myself verified as a vendor here. The initial vendor requirements stated that you had to have your PGP key posted on the old SR forum before the takedown. This put a lot of vendors that did not use the forums frequently out of luck.

However, those that were on the forums during the aftermath of the takedown know that StExo worked to back up silk road vendor profile pages as they existed before the servers were believed to be imaged by LE. I personally downloaded that backup and found my vendor page and informed DPR of this, giving him the local file name as found in the backup (where my PGP key could be found on the backed up page). Unfortunately, this was not sufficent as DPR told me personally VIA PM that he did not trust StExo's backups which were stated to have been taken before server imaging; but rather that he trusted the SR forum which very well could have been in LE hands at the time.

Why would DPR not trust his own backup?

DPR also had some very weird actions that come to mind at the very start of this forum when it was <100 members. If I recall correctly, he had made some thread about "Security" in this subforum. What was odd was the signature he put at the end of his post (still in the post body, not a signature that is attached to every post). He signed the post "-Inigo". No less than a hour or two later he changed it to "-I". I then replied with a snarky comment after seeing his edits, saying something along the lines of "Interesting edits we have here". This can be verified if the thread is still around I would guess. Then another few hours after his first edit, he removed the "-I" signature.

Why was he signing posts as "-Inigo", and why did he feel the need to remove it?

Artist

Thanks Artist, that's really interesting. I have no idea why he would not use his own backups. I can't remember the exact dates his back-ups were done vs. the feds imaging, can anyone remember?

As for the Inigo part, I'd suggest poor misinformation campaign once more. StExo made it very clear that he was offered the role of DPR2 and "turned it down", then disappeared completely. Personally, I thought he wouldn't have been silly enough to take the role and instead was posting under the nym "V", but that was purely my own speculation. What worries me is that the mods/admins allegedly had an issue with StExo's attitude/personality, which is why oracle stepped in back in October to make it clear that he had an issue with the leadership. Cirrus/Chem have pretty much confirmed-by-silence that everything oracle has spilled has been true and I believe Chem even made a comment along the lines of "Yes oracle, I knew all this back in SR1".

What's going on? dude has a personal life and family too, it is fucking Christmas. Here's what we know? not a goddamn thing so shut your fucking mouths and PATIENTLY wait.

Hero-worship much? The community have a right to know what the fuck is going on when it includes the owner of the site disappearing indefinitely and finding out it was planned, ESPECIALLY considering the darknet markets have had a constant shitstorm of drama since October.

This is a really good write up. Well done, OP.

Thanks cRandom, just trying to help since I was sick of reading "it'll be okay", "be patient", "captain will return" shit over and over and over and over and... you get the picture.

Nah man, he's alive and isn't DPR. I think DPR is running.

http://torimagesbp2vt3u.onion/i/5AakP.png <---- inbox UTC time

DPR has had what, 48 hours or so to run? It was over 36 hours before Cirrus posted that the account may be compromised. He's likely already where he planned to be. The fact that Defcon is online and DPR is not doesn't discount the potential that Defcon=DPR. Again, speculation, but at this point we as vendors and customers have been told so much false information that I feel it's important to put everything out there and let people come to their own conclusions.

Technically, if Defcon is not DPR *but* DPR knows his RL identity OR previous SR1 identity, he's equally fucked anyway.

The only people left to put any smidge of trust in (IMO) are our peers, fellow vendors, long-term community members, Cirrus and ChemCat.

Your logic is debunk! If Defcon is fucked becuase DPR knew his doxx, so is Cirrus and Chem?!


The only outcome of this gonna tear a part every thing we have build up.


Oracle: What is your motives here? Dont give me the community and safety answer. Lets say DPR/Defcon pass the torch, will you jump up and give it a try?

Here is your time to shine, because you say you want a change and involve the community much more, but the problem is you dont come up with a soloution, you only want change what is now......? But change shouldnt happend before a proper soloution is in place. So how you want to handle this?

I personally wrote messages to Cirrus and Chem on the massive thread last night that was "mysteriously" deleted. I advised them wholeheartedly, with all the love and respect in the world, to get the fuck out of dodge. I don't know if they handed their dox to DPR1, DPR2 or anyone else. If they did, I sincerely hope they're running. I know I wasn't the only one to give them that advice.

I honestly think that everything was torn down at the arrest of DPR1. If he knows RL identities of all the main players, then what other outcome is there?

[Akon]

As for the Inigo part, I'd suggest poor misinformation campaign once more. StExo made it very clear that he was offered the role of DPR2 and "turned it down", then disappeared completely. Personally, I thought he wouldn't have been silly enough to take the role and instead was posting under the nym "V", but that was purely my own speculation. What worries me is that the mods/admins allegedly had an issue with StExo's attitude/personality, which is why oracle stepped in back in October to make it clear that he had an issue with the leadership. Cirrus/Chem have pretty much confirmed-by-silence that everything oracle has spilled has been true and I believe Chem even made a comment along the lines of "Yes oracle, I knew all this back in SR1".

The problem here, is you put too much feelings in this. As of stExo, i couldnt care less of how his leader ship is, and i shouldnt care about that ether. The more strict and controlled it is, the better.

If he is greedy, GOOD, because greed will make him work hard to keep this marked up and running. Every man with a bit of inteligent will know this market will gather more money in the long run the if he runs with the money.

I know it seems like im taking sides here, but im just trying to think about this whole thing from a rational stand point, and as of know DPR have handled every thing perfect!

I personally wrote messages to Cirrus and Chem on the massive thread last night that was "mysteriously" deleted. I advised them wholeheartedly, with all the love and respect in the world, to get the fuck out of dodge. I don't know if they handed their dox to DPR1, DPR2 or anyone else. If they did, I sincerely hope they're running. I know I wasn't the only one to give them that advice.

I honestly think that everything was torn down at the arrest of DPR1. If he knows RL identities of all the main players, then what other outcome is there?

Remember WE shape the market, the market dont shape the community. The market is just a tool for us to gather together, and most importently is that it runs in a stable way.


Asuming Defon/DPR or who ever is in charge is living outside the U.S i cant see how they will nail him.

I think the whole reveal your ID to Admin, is a little outdated and debunk as of know, because we see it can backlash if admin get cought. I think it is much easier and more secure ways to do this. But thats for later!

And last, i think you speculate too much,



Sorry for the edits, formating and adding more clearity to this ^^

[Hedgewitch]

As for the Inigo part, I'd suggest poor misinformation campaign once more. StExo made it very clear that he was offered the role of DPR2 and "turned it down", then disappeared completely. Personally, I thought he wouldn't have been silly enough to take the role and instead was posting under the nym "V", but that was purely my own speculation. What worries me is that the mods/admins allegedly had an issue with StExo's attitude/personality, which is why oracle stepped in back in October to make it clear that he had an issue with the leadership. Cirrus/Chem have pretty much confirmed-by-silence that everything oracle has spilled has been true and I believe Chem even made a comment along the lines of "Yes oracle, I knew all this back in SR1".

The problem here, is you put too much feelings in this. As of stExo, i couldnt care less of how his leader ship is, and i shouldnt care about that ether. The more strict and controlled it is, the better.

If he is greedy, GOOD, because greed will make him work hard to keep this marked up and running. Every man with a bit of inteligent will know this market will gather more money in the long run the if he runs with the money.

I know it seems like im taking sides here, but im just trying to think about this whole thing from a rational stand point, and as of know DPR have handled every thing perfect!

I have no issue with StExo being greedy/DPR2/strict/controlled/all of the above. On a personal note, I highly respected StExo from SR1 and my loyalty to SR2 was strongly influenced by his approval/promotion of SR2.

My issue is that StExo is potentially compromised due to his close relationship with Ulbricht, who *may* know his real identity. DPR1 seemed fond of collecting staff members ID's and was not fond of encryption, hence Libertas/SSBD/Inigo have been arrested. As the feds uncover more information from Ulbricht's laptop or the server, can StExo say with 100% certainty that any identifying information linking to him OR any potential money laundering he did for DPR/mods linking to him will not be found? Bear in mind that the mods KNEW they were compromised and continued to promote a secondary market. What makes you think StExo wouldn't do the same?

I honestly think that everything was torn down at the arrest of DPR1. If he knows RL identities of all the main players, then what other outcome is there?

Remember WE shape the market, the market dont shape the community. The market is just a tool for us to gather together, and most importently is that it runs in a stable way.

Asuming Defon/DPR or who ever is in charge is living outside the U.S i cant see how they will nail him.

And last, i think you speculate too much,

You're assuming way too much by suggesting they won't get him outside of the US. Why do you think he's on the run?

As for speculation and putting the pieces together, maybe if we'd had a bit more speculation in SR1 it wouldn't have ended up quite as messily as it did. I've made it clear where necessary which statements are facts and mentioned sources where possible. I have also made it clear which parts are purely my speculation and "adding up". I don't believe I've stated anything I don't know to be true as fact, but as mentioned in the OP, if there is anything glaringly incorrect then let me know and I will correct it appropriately.

[Akon]

I have no issue with StExo being greedy/DPR2/strict/controlled/all of the above. On a personal note, I highly respected StExo from SR1 and my loyalty to SR2 was strongly influenced by his approval/promotion of SR2.

My issue is that StExo is potentially compromised due to his close relationship with Ulbricht, who *may* know his real identity. DPR1 seemed fond of collecting staff members ID's and was not fond of encryption, hence Libertas/SSBD/Inigo have been arrested. As the feds uncover more information from Ulbricht's laptop or the server, can StExo say with 100% certainty that any identifying information linking to him OR any potential money laundering he did for DPR/mods linking to him will not be found? Bear in mind that the mods KNEW they were compromised and continued to promote a secondary market. What makes you think StExo wouldn't do the same?

I guess we agree on this part! wich is good. it means both our believes/philosophies are some way correct

You're assuming way too much by suggesting they won't get him outside of the US. Why do you think he's on the run?

As for speculation and putting the pieces together, maybe if we'd had a bit more speculation in SR1 it wouldn't have ended up quite as messily as it did. I've made it clear where necessary which statements are facts and mentioned sources where possible. I have also made it clear which parts are purely my speculation and "adding up". I don't believe I've stated anything I don't know to be true as fact, but as mentioned in the OP, if there is anything glaringly incorrect then let me know and I will correct it appropriately.

No its not that i think they wont chase outside the U.S, is just i know they have much less controll and power outside the U.S.
A good example is TPB. The mock every court with legal defence. U.S is just too corrupt. thats why i think EVERY person dealing something illigeal have 100% better chances outside the U.S


And btw i never said you spread FUD, i just said you put too much feelings in this, because alot of your answer you have come to them by feelings.

What divide us from women is we men are more rational. Thats a fact!

[Hedgewitch]

I have no issue with StExo being greedy/DPR2/strict/controlled/all of the above. On a personal note, I highly respected StExo from SR1 and my loyalty to SR2 was strongly influenced by his approval/promotion of SR2.

My issue is that StExo is potentially compromised due to his close relationship with Ulbricht, who *may* know his real identity. DPR1 seemed fond of collecting staff members ID's and was not fond of encryption, hence Libertas/SSBD/Inigo have been arrested. As the feds uncover more information from Ulbricht's laptop or the server, can StExo say with 100% certainty that any identifying information linking to him OR any potential money laundering he did for DPR/mods linking to him will not be found? Bear in mind that the mods KNEW they were compromised and continued to promote a secondary market. What makes you think StExo wouldn't do the same?

I guess we agree on this part! wich is good. it means both our believes/philosophies are some way correct

You're assuming way too much by suggesting they won't get him outside of the US. Why do you think he's on the run?

As for speculation and putting the pieces together, maybe if we'd had a bit more speculation in SR1 it wouldn't have ended up quite as messily as it did. I've made it clear where necessary which statements are facts and mentioned sources where possible. I have also made it clear which parts are purely my speculation and "adding up". I don't believe I've stated anything I don't know to be true as fact, but as mentioned in the OP, if there is anything glaringly incorrect then let me know and I will correct it appropriately.

No its not that i think they wont chase outside the U.S, is just i know they have much less controll and power outside the U.S.
A good example is TPB. The mock every court with legal defence. U.S is just too corrupt. thats why i think EVERY person dealing something illigeal have 100% better chances outside the U.S

StExo is/was in the UK. They'll hand his arse over without a second thought, if they catch him. I sincerely hope he's fucked off to a country with no extradition, he's certainly rich enough to do so and likely has the connections from his laundering days. Speaking of which, have you read the article about him written during SR1? Lots of potentially identifying information there, unless he was OPSEC-savvy enough back then to ensure it was all bullshit. Another thing of note which I forgot to mention in my previous post, is that the DPR=StExo link/the PGP mistake/etc gives the feds a very large pool of information to work with, based purely on his dealings on SR1. With his laundering and strong connections to Ulbricht/mods, he'll be a person of interest from the initial investigation anyway. That's certainly not a good position to be in when you're running SR2.

[telemetree]

Ah well, at least there is a neat condsensed version of UN's/ suspicions and FUD in one neat three page thread so LE don't have to trawl through page after page to get to the crux of the matter.

Should be titled: LEO's Summary Guide to Recent Events at SR

[Akon]

Ah well, at least there is a neat condsensed version of UN's/ suspicions and FUD in one neat three page thread so LE don't have to trawl through page after page to get to the crux of the matter.

Should be titled: LEO's Summary Guide to Recent Events at SR

You cant blame me for trying atleast! I tested my argument skills,

 happy x the mass

[VANQUISH4777]

Right now, I've no clue what to believe. But +1 to you for trying your best to present pertinent imformation without blowing yourself up to the role of hero (Raoul Duke), or lacing it with conspiracy laden hyperbole and propaganda. Not the easiest thing currently, surely.

[Merde222]

subd

[Akon]

Hedgewitch you wanna continue? people is subbing here...

[telemetree]

Hedgewitch you wanna continue? people is subbing here...

His boss wants an updated summary report by close of business today. Same again tomorrow, no Xmas breaks at the FBI

[supercanuck]

Im scared.\

Hold me.

[Cornelius23]

Right now, I've no clue what to believe. But +1 to you for trying your best to present pertinent imformation without blowing yourself up to the role of hero (Raoul Duke), or lacing it with conspiracy laden hyperbole and propaganda. Not the easiest thing currently, surely.

+1

Im scared.\

Hold me.

* gives supercanuck, and everyone else, a huggle

Happy Christmas

[Nightcrawler]

As for the Inigo part, I'd suggest poor misinformation campaign once more. StExo made it very clear that he was offered the role of DPR2 and "turned it down", then disappeared completely. Personally, I thought he wouldn't have been silly enough to take the role and instead was posting under the nym "V", but that was purely my own speculation. What worries me is that the mods/admins allegedly had an issue with StExo's attitude/personality, which is why oracle stepped in back in October to make it clear that he had an issue with the leadership. Cirrus/Chem have pretty much confirmed-by-silence that everything oracle has spilled has been true and I believe Chem even made a comment along the lines of "Yes oracle, I knew all this back in SR1".

The problem here, is you put too much feelings in this. As of stExo, i couldnt care less of how his leader ship is, and i shouldnt care about that ether. The more strict and controlled it is, the better.

If he is greedy, GOOD, because greed will make him work hard to keep this marked up and running. Every man with a bit of inteligent will know this market will gather more money in the long run the if he runs with the money.

The problem with greed is that greed often serves as a single point of focus, all-too-often blinding people to the larger realities around them. Greed can lead people to take unnecessary risks. This is bad enough in an ordinary market -- in a darkmarket this can sow the seeds of disaster.

[snip]

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=174.msg633090#msg633090
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7  3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

[Fckabich]

I just pray to my spegetti monster thru my tinfoil hat that you are spreading fud with no evidence.

O dear spegetti monster please tell me oracle is a false profit?

It's spelled "prophet".

LMFAO maybe a mistake in grammar or too high?

[Fckabich]

As for the Inigo part, I'd suggest poor misinformation campaign once more. StExo made it very clear that he was offered the role of DPR2 and "turned it down", then disappeared completely. Personally, I thought he wouldn't have been silly enough to take the role and instead was posting under the nym "V", but that was purely my own speculation. What worries me is that the mods/admins allegedly had an issue with StExo's attitude/personality, which is why oracle stepped in back in October to make it clear that he had an issue with the leadership. Cirrus/Chem have pretty much confirmed-by-silence that everything oracle has spilled has been true and I believe Chem even made a comment along the lines of "Yes oracle, I knew all this back in SR1".

Thank you Nightcrawler. Greed is what gets people caught. Security is tops. Also, ablosute power corrupts absolutely and I think the money was the motivating factor for the marketplaces and not a "community" and "libertarian ideal"

The problem here, is you put too much feelings in this. As of stExo, i couldnt care less of how his leader ship is, and i shouldnt care about that ether. The more strict and controlled it is, the better.

If he is greedy, GOOD, because greed will make him work hard to keep this marked up and running. Every man with a bit of inteligent will know this market will gather more money in the long run the if he runs with the money.

The problem with greed is that greed often serves as a single point of focus, all-too-often blinding people to the larger realities around them. Greed can lead people to take unnecessary risks. This is bad enough in an ordinary market -- in a darkmarket this can sow the seeds of disaster.

[snip]

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=174.msg633090#msg633090
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7  3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

[Fckabich]

Im scared.\

Hold me.

Don't be scared as long as you used PGP for everything you should be fine. Keep Calm and Use Encryption.

[Akon]

Im scared.\

Hold me.

Don't be scared as long as you used PGP for everything you should be fine. Keep Calm and Use Encryption.

Please put your last three posts in one post, this will only spam a very informative thread hhhh hhhhhh hhhhhh

[Fckabich]

Im scared.\

Hold me.

Don't be scared as long as you used PGP for everything you should be fine. Keep Calm and Use Encryption.

Thank you will do Sorry for that, thanks for the heads up.
Please put your last three posts in one post, this will only spam a very informative thread hhhh hhhhhh hhhhhh

[Fckabich]

I hope this isn't the end of SR2 as we know it. People are panicing and go crazy right now. Buyers do not fear as long as you used PGP for every transaction. Vendors.... be careful and God Bless I hope you got out with your BTC. Be safe and Merry Christmas everyone. :*)

[Nightcrawler]

No its not that i think they wont chase outside the U.S, is just i know they have much less controll and power outside the U.S.

A good example is TPB. The mock every court with legal defence. U.S is just too corrupt. thats why i think EVERY person dealing something illigeal have 100% better chances outside the U.S

Really?

    "On 30 August 2012, at the request of Swedish authorities,
    Svartholm was arrested by Cambodian police in the capital
    Phnom Penh,[10] where he had been living for several years.
    [11] Cambodia has no extradition treaty with Sweden, but
    Cambodian police spokesman Kirth Chantharith told the AFP
    news agency "we'll look into our laws and see how we can
    handle this case". Subsequently, Cambodian police were
    reported stating that the Swedish government had requested
    that Gottfrid be deported in connection with "a crime
    related to information technology".[12]
   
So, a country like Sweden, with even less economic and political influence than than the United States, nevertheless manages to get someone they want extradited even without an extradition treaty over crimes involving information technology.

How well do you think DPR2 would fare against the U.S., on a drug-related charge? Do you seriously think he would fare any better?

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7  3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain.  --Friedrich Schiller

[Akon]

Really?

    "On 30 August 2012, at the request of Swedish authorities,
    Svartholm was arrested by Cambodian police in the capital
    Phnom Penh,[10] where he had been living for several years.
    [11] Cambodia has no extradition treaty with Sweden, but
    Cambodian police spokesman Kirth Chantharith told the AFP
    news agency "we'll look into our laws and see how we can
    handle this case". Subsequently, Cambodian police were
    reported stating that the Swedish government had requested
    that Gottfrid be deported in connection with "a crime
    related to information technology".[12]
   
So, a country like Sweden, with even less economic and political influence than than the United States, nevertheless manages to get someone they want extradited even without an extradition treaty over crimes involving information technology.

How well do you think DPR2 would fare against the U.S., on a drug-related charge? Do you seriously think he would fare any better?

The point of that sentence was not about if he would be extradited to U.S or not. The point was that FBI/LE have much less power and control outside the the states wich is obvious. And other countries would not put the same amount of recources into catching a criminal who is not effecting their country the same way it is effecting the U.S. No U.S citizen should ever operate a black market, especially not as an Admin becuase of the harsh unfair penalties given.

Maybe i made it unclear because of the language barrier, hope this made up the confusion.

Most EU countries see prisonment of a criminal as liability and a lost/badly spent tax resources. Because the cost of mainting the prison and inmates. This does not apply for every crime, but usually apply for cyber/narcotic crimes. Where in the U.S the prisons is owned private and conducted as a business! It doesnt mean they dont get prison penalty, it only means the penalty is much less harsh then what you get in the U.S
To make it clear, this is an idolegy that most politicians/police try to obey because of the pressure given by the people.

[saulgood]

16. And the most damning evidence. DPR2 once mistakenly signed a message on this forum with StExo's PGP key, which SEVERAL people saw. There are vendors and users out there who KNOW this to be true.

WHERE is this mistakenly signed PGP message? Can you re-post it?

[Nightcrawler]

Really?

    "On 30 August 2012, at the request of Swedish authorities,
    Svartholm was arrested by Cambodian police in the capital
    Phnom Penh,[10] where he had been living for several years.
    [11] Cambodia has no extradition treaty with Sweden, but
    Cambodian police spokesman Kirth Chantharith told the AFP
    news agency "we'll look into our laws and see how we can
    handle this case". Subsequently, Cambodian police were
    reported stating that the Swedish government had requested
    that Gottfrid be deported in connection with "a crime
    related to information technology".[12]
   
So, a country like Sweden, with even less economic and political influence than than the United States, nevertheless manages to get someone they want extradited even without an extradition treaty over crimes involving information technology.

How well do you think DPR2 would fare against the U.S., on a drug-related charge? Do you seriously think he would fare any better?

The point of that sentence was not about if he would be extradited to U.S or not. The point was that FBI/LE have much less power and control outside the the states wich is obvious.

And other countries would not put the same amount of recources into catching a criminal who is not effecting their country the same way it is effecting the U.S. No U.S citizen should ever operate a black market, especially not as an Admin becuase of the harsh unfair penalties given.

Maybe i made it unclear because of the language barrier, hope this made up the confusion.

Most EU countries see prisonment of a criminal as liability and a lost/badly spent tax resources. Because the cost of mainting the prison and inmates. This does not apply for every crime, but usually apply for cyber/narcotic crimes. Where in the U.S the prisons is owned private and conducted as a business! It doesnt mean they dont get prison penalty, it only means the penalty is much less harsh then what you get in the U.S
To make it clear, this is an idolegy that most politicians/police try to obey because of the pressure given by the people.

You are, perhaps, forgetting about the existence of the Mutual Law enforcement Assistance Treaties (MLATs).  Virtually every country in the world (with the exception of a dozen or so) have signed MLATs with the United States.  These countries are legally obligated under the terms of the Treaty, to render assistance to American law enforcement if the U.S. government invokes the treaty. This is how Hushmail was compelled to give up over 100,000 decrypted emails to the DEA of persons believed to be trafficking in steroids.

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7  3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain.      --Friedrich Schiller

[Fckabich]

Really?

    "On 30 August 2012, at the request of Swedish authorities,
    Svartholm was arrested by Cambodian police in the capital
    Phnom Penh,[10] where he had been living for several years.
    [11] Cambodia has no extradition treaty with Sweden, but
    Cambodian police spokesman Kirth Chantharith told the AFP
    news agency "we'll look into our laws and see how we can
    handle this case". Subsequently, Cambodian police were
    reported stating that the Swedish government had requested
    that Gottfrid be deported in connection with "a crime
    related to information technology".[12]
   
So, a country like Sweden, with even less economic and political influence than than the United States, nevertheless manages to get someone they want extradited even without an extradition treaty over crimes involving information technology.

How well do you think DPR2 would fare against the U.S., on a drug-related charge? Do you seriously think he would fare any better?

The point of that sentence was not about if he would be extradited to U.S or not. The point was that FBI/LE have much less power and control outside the the states wich is obvious.

And other countries would not put the same amount of recources into catching a criminal who is not effecting their country the same way it is effecting the U.S. No U.S citizen should ever operate a black market, especially not as an Admin becuase of the harsh unfair penalties given.

Maybe i made it unclear because of the language barrier, hope this made up the confusion.

Most EU countries see prisonment of a criminal as liability and a lost/badly spent tax resources. Because the cost of mainting the prison and inmates. This does not apply for every crime, but usually apply for cyber/narcotic crimes. Where in the U.S the prisons is owned private and conducted as a business! It doesnt mean they dont get prison penalty, it only means the penalty is much less harsh then what you get in the U.S
To make it clear, this is an idolegy that most politicians/police try to obey because of the pressure given by the people.

You are, perhaps, forgetting about the existence of the Mutual Law enforcement Assistance Treaties (MLATs).  Virtually every country in the world (with the exception of a dozen or so) have signed MLATs with the United States.  These countries are legally obligated under the terms of the Treaty, to render assistance to American law enforcement if the U.S. government invokes the treaty. This is how Hushmail was compelled to give up over 100,000 decrypted emails to the DEA of persons believed to be trafficking in steroids.

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7  3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain.      --Friedrich Schiller
[/quote]
http://silkroad5v7dywlc/Themes/default/images/post/xx.gif
Thank you for keeping tghe community informed! 

[lovefortree]

very nice work! My only issue with it is revealing that StExo = DPR2.... This person has a good reputation throughout the community but viewed being DPR2 as so risky that he wouldnt even want to risk his "deep-web" persona (aka. StExo) with the increased heat brought on as being the known DPR.

[Cornelius23]

very nice work! My only issue with it is revealing that StExo = DPR2.... This person has a good reputation throughout the community but viewed being DPR2 as so risky that he wouldnt even want to risk his "deep-web" persona (aka. StExo) with the increased heat brought on as being the known DPR.

I think you mean revealing that StExo != DPR2

[Energo]

I have no issue with StExo being greedy/DPR2/strict/controlled/all of the above. On a personal note, I highly respected StExo from SR1 and my loyalty to SR2 was strongly influenced by his approval/promotion of SR2.

My issue is that StExo is potentially compromised due to his close relationship with Ulbricht, who *may* know his real identity. DPR1 seemed fond of collecting staff members ID's and was not fond of encryption, hence Libertas/SSBD/Inigo have been arrested. As the feds uncover more information from Ulbricht's laptop or the server, can StExo say with 100% certainty that any identifying information linking to him OR any potential money laundering he did for DPR/mods linking to him will not be found? Bear in mind that the mods KNEW they were compromised and continued to promote a secondary market. What makes you think StExo wouldn't do the same?

I guess we agree on this part! wich is good. it means both our believes/philosophies are some way correct

You're assuming way too much by suggesting they won't get him outside of the US. Why do you think he's on the run?

As for speculation and putting the pieces together, maybe if we'd had a bit more speculation in SR1 it wouldn't have ended up quite as messily as it did. I've made it clear where necessary which statements are facts and mentioned sources where possible. I have also made it clear which parts are purely my speculation and "adding up". I don't believe I've stated anything I don't know to be true as fact, but as mentioned in the OP, if there is anything glaringly incorrect then let me know and I will correct it appropriately.

No its not that i think they wont chase outside the U.S, is just i know they have much less controll and power outside the U.S.
A good example is TPB. The mock every court with legal defence. U.S is just too corrupt. thats why i think EVERY person dealing something illigeal have 100% better chances outside the U.S

StExo is/was in the UK. They'll hand his arse over without a second thought, if they catch him. I sincerely hope he's fucked off to a country with no extradition, he's certainly rich enough to do so and likely has the connections from his laundering days. Speaking of which, have you read the article about him written during SR1? Lots of potentially identifying information there, unless he was OPSEC-savvy enough back then to ensure it was all bullshit. Another thing of note which I forgot to mention in my previous post, is that the DPR=StExo link/the PGP mistake/etc gives the feds a very large pool of information to work with, based purely on his dealings on SR1. With his laundering and strong connections to Ulbricht/mods, he'll be a person of interest from the initial investigation anyway. That's certainly not a good position to be in when you're running SR2.

StExo never identified himself to anyone. Even Ross, I can assure that.


If you use your brain, and think about it all, it's clear DPR2 knew something was up. He was a very intelligent guy, I am sure he is perfectly safe and still here just running under a different name.

[greenfields1]

this all makes such a good story dont you think? & whos to say you lot are not all feds

Im a long long time member of the deepweb and silkroad & my quote /mantra is "Trust no one" esp on Sr and the deep deep web 

[Nightcrawler]

this all makes such a good story dont you think? & whos to say you lot are not all feds

Im a long long time member of the deepweb and silkroad & my quote /mantra is "Trust no one" esp on Sr and the deep deep web 

No kidding. Inigo, Libertas and SSDB all trusted Ross, and look where it got them.

Nightcrawler
4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22 Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>
PGP Key Fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7  3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433B

Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
The original DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods Themselves
contend in vain.  --Friedrich Schiller