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Quote from: oracle on December 23, 2013, 06:09:33 am

No sir. No FUD, no intentions of blackmail, no LEO. This is purely me footing my foot down when I should have been firmer back the first week of October. October was different. But now that RU is plea-ing out, and Lib/SSBD/Inigo are nailed.. it would be SUICIDE to go down this path that "Defcon" (and I type that with utter contempt) is trying to initiate. If it's FUD, if a *WORD* of ANYTHING I've said is FUD.. then Cirrus will certainly point it out. However, I request and urge Cirrus again, to post and aknowledge what I've said and that my concerns are valid and I'm NOT a bullshitter. I'm putting this on his integrity and conscience. He knows the truth, and he knows truths and skeletons that go back way before SR2 existed. If Cirrus says I'm full of shit and I have no idea what I'm saying and I'm making everything up and I'm just trying to create FUD for some sick kicks/giggles, then I will back down.

Do you have any evidence DPR v1 "gave up" the admins, rather than the FBI/etc simply scraping it off of one of DPRs many HDDs?

Other then what Reuters reported about a plea negotiation that was in the works two weeks ago? No, that I do not have. But.. 2+2 does equal 4, usually.
I have no idea, or way of knowing what DPR1 or his attorney are upto other then plea bargains start, and suddenly 3 people whom he had IRL doxx for end up (unfortuantely) all busted on the same day in a coordinated swoop.
The rest though.. evidence? I'll call it more of a pirates chest.

Quote from: vince on December 23, 2013, 05:44:32 am

Quote from: oracle on December 23, 2013, 05:42:14 am

Quote from: DitzBitch on December 23, 2013, 01:57:40 am

So ive been soaking this stuff up over the last couple days and Im just going to summarise what seems to have happened from what I can understand (all aspects to date).

-SR2 market is NOT compromised by LE. It is still held by DPR2, who is right here with us on the forums.

-Arrests of Inigo, SSBD and Libertas are related to SR1 bust. DPR1 had doxx on these users and he has either given the info up directly (squealed) or indirectly (LE accessing info on his PC).

-DPR1 and other arrested individuals (Libertas and Inigo) also apparently have info on the RL identity of DPR2... therefore DPR2 fears he is about to get snitched up.

-DPR2's disappearance was completely staged, with the knowledge of ChemCat and Cirrus, as an attempt for DPR2 to switch user alias', the purpose of which is supposedly to cover DPR2's tracks in the event that he is fingered. (fairly dubious how much protection this will actually afford him I would have thought?)

-It follows that DPR2 is Defcon and will be DPR3 when Defcon announces successor. (DPR2 = Defcon = DPR3).

-DPR2 is actually a a fairly unsavory character, formerly known on the SR1 forums as StExo. This article is all about StExo and it clearly shows that his sole interest is in hoarding as much wealth as he can lay hands on:
http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/

So for me this clearly dispells the myth that our DPR2 is some kind of benevolent character who believes in the libertarian, revolutionary idiology that SR1 was originally founded on. I know history has shown Ross Ulbricht made a myriad of idiotic mistakes, but I would say that he set up SR1 for the right reasons. Not just greed.

-The user called 'smoke2joints' who popped up at a very opportune moment to provide evidence that 'Hey.. no.. DPR2 is NOT Defcon and here is a screen grab to prove it... becasue I mysteriously had access to the admin area of the forum...' blah blah  is clearly a puppet account of DPR2.

The sole point of smoke2joints' post was to provide evidence that DPR2 couldn't possibly be Defcon. To me it seems unlikley in the extreme that just one user experienced that glitch in the forum 'last night' and just so happened to grab a picture that proved DPR2 couldnt be Defcon... pfff. Please.

So the posting of that screen grab was just an attempt by DPR2 (I assume) to counter the growing awareness on the forum that DPR2 disappearance is staged and DPR2 = Defcon.

-As a by-the-by, subjecting that screengrab to an online photo forensic ELA test doesn't reveal any photoshopping, but I think the image is too low quality to tell from what I understand..

And that is a complete summary of the situation.

And bingo was his name-o. And if this farce continues, I'm going to post real, solid evidence (screen shots, VIDEO screen grabs of me decrypting messages etc) that will put this matter to rest. No fucking way am I going to let this community be misled by an individual who, whilst is NOT LE (or compromised by LE as of this moment) is ridiculous and actually thinks people are so fucking retarded that Defcon/DPR3/"leaked mod board screen grab" will fool anyone. The point is this, Ross Ulbright (and the 3 arrested indivuals) KNOW who was behind SR2. And SR2 was NOT designed to be a fraud or a runner. I'm certain of this for a few reasons, most notably Cirrus' involvement whom I know to be absolutely well intentioned.
However, the playing field is changed

1) RU is talking/pleading out
2) Libertas/Inigo/SSBD have all been busted unfortunately, and they know who was behind SR2.

For a moment, if you think that any of the above mentioend 4 people are going to do life in prison to protect a stranger whom they all personally didn't even like THAT much (I know this again for a fact, and if push comes to shove, I will, I repeat, WILL post irrefutable evidence that 2 of the above personally had a "eye rolling" attitude towards DPR2.

That said, this Defcon farce (which it is) is absolutely insulting. In fact, read his language. "You know who you are and you knwo what to do" sounds EERILY SIMILAR TO A POST made on Oct 2nd 2013 on SR1 Forums by an individual who posted (to DPR) ".. you know where to find me and you know what needs to be done, contact me" (paraphrased).

Mr. Defcon - please do NOT take this route. I don't want to open a can of worms.. but if it means jeopardizing this entire community and painting a picture of all is well in paradise when thats NOT the case, I will not let that happen. As to Cirrus - I URGE YOU (since we both know you know nearly all of the facts, and I've even shown you logs and whatnot months ago and you know VERY well I'm not inventing anything) to talk sense into him and I urge you to do what's right for the community.

My hunch is that in the end, Cirrus will do the right thing and realize the situation for what it is and will lay it on the table for all (to the extent that nobody is "doxxed") and then, ONLY THEN, should everyone make a decision wether they want to continue to use SR.

If I'm wrong then I will absolutely, unequivocally blow the lid and then you will all make adult decisions on wether you think it will be wise to continue.

Well, Defcon? Well, Cirrus? Well, DPR..3?

Can you please post some of this evidence you've been talking about for quite a while?

Seems like a lot of FUD and LEO trying to fuck with the mods but he's obviously important enough to be of intrest to DPR (http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=233.0)
Maybe a hacker trying to blackmail SR admins?

No sir. No FUD, no intentions of blackmail, no LEO. This is purely me footing my foot down when I should have been firmer back the first week of October. October was different. But now that RU is plea-ing out, and Lib/SSBD/Inigo are nailed.. it would be SUICIDE to go down this path that "Defcon" (and I type that with utter contempt) is trying to initiate. If it's FUD, if a *WORD* of ANYTHING I've said is FUD.. then Cirrus will certainly point it out. However, I request and urge Cirrus again, to post and aknowledge what I've said and that my concerns are valid and I'm NOT a bullshitter. I'm putting this on his integrity and conscience. He knows the truth, and he knows truths and skeletons that go back way before SR2 existed. If Cirrus says I'm full of shit and I have no idea what I'm saying and I'm making everything up and I'm just trying to create FUD for some sick kicks/giggles, then I will back down.

Quote from: oracle on December 23, 2013, 05:42:14 am

Quote from: DitzBitch on December 23, 2013, 01:57:40 am

So ive been soaking this stuff up over the last couple days and Im just going to summarise what seems to have happened from what I can understand (all aspects to date).

-SR2 market is NOT compromised by LE. It is still held by DPR2, who is right here with us on the forums.

-Arrests of Inigo, SSBD and Libertas are related to SR1 bust. DPR1 had doxx on these users and he has either given the info up directly (squealed) or indirectly (LE accessing info on his PC).

-DPR1 and other arrested individuals (Libertas and Inigo) also apparently have info on the RL identity of DPR2... therefore DPR2 fears he is about to get snitched up.

-DPR2's disappearance was completely staged, with the knowledge of ChemCat and Cirrus, as an attempt for DPR2 to switch user alias', the purpose of which is supposedly to cover DPR2's tracks in the event that he is fingered. (fairly dubious how much protection this will actually afford him I would have thought?)

-It follows that DPR2 is Defcon and will be DPR3 when Defcon announces successor. (DPR2 = Defcon = DPR3).

-DPR2 is actually a a fairly unsavory character, formerly known on the SR1 forums as StExo. This article is all about StExo and it clearly shows that his sole interest is in hoarding as much wealth as he can lay hands on:
http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/

So for me this clearly dispells the myth that our DPR2 is some kind of benevolent character who believes in the libertarian, revolutionary idiology that SR1 was originally founded on. I know history has shown Ross Ulbricht made a myriad of idiotic mistakes, but I would say that he set up SR1 for the right reasons. Not just greed.

-The user called 'smoke2joints' who popped up at a very opportune moment to provide evidence that 'Hey.. no.. DPR2 is NOT Defcon and here is a screen grab to prove it... becasue I mysteriously had access to the admin area of the forum...' blah blah  is clearly a puppet account of DPR2.

The sole point of smoke2joints' post was to provide evidence that DPR2 couldn't possibly be Defcon. To me it seems unlikley in the extreme that just one user experienced that glitch in the forum 'last night' and just so happened to grab a picture that proved DPR2 couldnt be Defcon... pfff. Please.

So the posting of that screen grab was just an attempt by DPR2 (I assume) to counter the growing awareness on the forum that DPR2 disappearance is staged and DPR2 = Defcon.

-As a by-the-by, subjecting that screengrab to an online photo forensic ELA test doesn't reveal any photoshopping, but I think the image is too low quality to tell from what I understand..

And that is a complete summary of the situation.

And bingo was his name-o. And if this farce continues, I'm going to post real, solid evidence (screen shots, VIDEO screen grabs of me decrypting messages etc) that will put this matter to rest. No fucking way am I going to let this community be misled by an individual who, whilst is NOT LE (or compromised by LE as of this moment) is ridiculous and actually thinks people are so fucking retarded that Defcon/DPR3/"leaked mod board screen grab" will fool anyone. The point is this, Ross Ulbright (and the 3 arrested indivuals) KNOW who was behind SR2. And SR2 was NOT designed to be a fraud or a runner. I'm certain of this for a few reasons, most notably Cirrus' involvement whom I know to be absolutely well intentioned.
However, the playing field is changed

1) RU is talking/pleading out
2) Libertas/Inigo/SSBD have all been busted unfortunately, and they know who was behind SR2.

For a moment, if you think that any of the above mentioend 4 people are going to do life in prison to protect a stranger whom they all personally didn't even like THAT much (I know this again for a fact, and if push comes to shove, I will, I repeat, WILL post irrefutable evidence that 2 of the above personally had a "eye rolling" attitude towards DPR2.

That said, this Defcon farce (which it is) is absolutely insulting. In fact, read his language. "You know who you are and you knwo what to do" sounds EERILY SIMILAR TO A POST made on Oct 2nd 2013 on SR1 Forums by an individual who posted (to DPR) ".. you know where to find me and you know what needs to be done, contact me" (paraphrased).

Mr. Defcon - please do NOT take this route. I don't want to open a can of worms.. but if it means jeopardizing this entire community and painting a picture of all is well in paradise when thats NOT the case, I will not let that happen. As to Cirrus - I URGE YOU (since we both know you know nearly all of the facts, and I've even shown you logs and whatnot months ago and you know VERY well I'm not inventing anything) to talk sense into him and I urge you to do what's right for the community.

My hunch is that in the end, Cirrus will do the right thing and realize the situation for what it is and will lay it on the table for all (to the extent that nobody is "doxxed") and then, ONLY THEN, should everyone make a decision wether they want to continue to use SR.

If I'm wrong then I will absolutely, unequivocally blow the lid and then you will all make adult decisions on wether you think it will be wise to continue.

Well, Defcon? Well, Cirrus? Well, DPR..3?

Can you please post some of this evidence you've been talking about for quite a while?

Out of respect for Cirrus, who's seen logs and knows I'm not a bullshitter, I will do so if he agrees. Otherwise, I will urge him to post and say/do the right thing. I will bet my life this guy (Cirrus) is not going to partake in knowingly putting everyone at risk. He knows the EXACT chain of events, and he knows about events going back nearly half a year. He knows I know. DPR2 knew I knew as well. So this shit just is not going to fly while I'm here.

So ive been soaking this stuff up over the last couple days and Im just going to summarise what seems to have happened from what I can understand (all aspects to date).

-SR2 market is NOT compromised by LE. It is still held by DPR2, who is right here with us on the forums.

-Arrests of Inigo, SSBD and Libertas are related to SR1 bust. DPR1 had doxx on these users and he has either given the info up directly (squealed) or indirectly (LE accessing info on his PC).

-DPR1 and other arrested individuals (Libertas and Inigo) also apparently have info on the RL identity of DPR2... therefore DPR2 fears he is about to get snitched up.

-DPR2's disappearance was completely staged, with the knowledge of ChemCat and Cirrus, as an attempt for DPR2 to switch user alias', the purpose of which is supposedly to cover DPR2's tracks in the event that he is fingered. (fairly dubious how much protection this will actually afford him I would have thought?)

-It follows that DPR2 is Defcon and will be DPR3 when Defcon announces successor. (DPR2 = Defcon = DPR3).

-DPR2 is actually a a fairly unsavory character, formerly known on the SR1 forums as StExo. This article is all about StExo and it clearly shows that his sole interest is in hoarding as much wealth as he can lay hands on:
http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/

So for me this clearly dispells the myth that our DPR2 is some kind of benevolent character who believes in the libertarian, revolutionary idiology that SR1 was originally founded on. I know history has shown Ross Ulbricht made a myriad of idiotic mistakes, but I would say that he set up SR1 for the right reasons. Not just greed.

-The user called 'smoke2joints' who popped up at a very opportune moment to provide evidence that 'Hey.. no.. DPR2 is NOT Defcon and here is a screen grab to prove it... becasue I mysteriously had access to the admin area of the forum...' blah blah  is clearly a puppet account of DPR2.

The sole point of smoke2joints' post was to provide evidence that DPR2 couldn't possibly be Defcon. To me it seems unlikley in the extreme that just one user experienced that glitch in the forum 'last night' and just so happened to grab a picture that proved DPR2 couldnt be Defcon... pfff. Please.

So the posting of that screen grab was just an attempt by DPR2 (I assume) to counter the growing awareness on the forum that DPR2 disappearance is staged and DPR2 = Defcon.

-As a by-the-by, subjecting that screengrab to an online photo forensic ELA test doesn't reveal any photoshopping, but I think the image is too low quality to tell from what I understand..

And that is a complete summary of the situation.

And bingo was his name-o. And if this farce continues, I'm going to post real, solid evidence (screen shots, VIDEO screen grabs of me decrypting messages etc) that will put this matter to rest. No fucking way am I going to let this community be misled by an individual who, whilst is NOT LE (or compromised by LE as of this moment) is ridiculous and actually thinks people are so fucking retarded that Defcon/DPR3/"leaked mod board screen grab" will fool anyone. The point is this, Ross Ulbright (and the 3 arrested indivuals) KNOW who was behind SR2. And SR2 was NOT designed to be a fraud or a runner. I'm certain of this for a few reasons, most notably Cirrus' involvement whom I know to be absolutely well intentioned.
However, the playing field is changed

1) RU is talking/pleading out
2) Libertas/Inigo/SSBD have all been busted unfortunately, and they know who was behind SR2.

For a moment, if you think that any of the above mentioend 4 people are going to do life in prison to protect a stranger whom they all personally didn't even like THAT much (I know this again for a fact, and if push comes to shove, I will, I repeat, WILL post irrefutable evidence that 2 of the above personally had a "eye rolling" attitude towards DPR2.

That said, this Defcon farce (which it is) is absolutely insulting. In fact, read his language. "You know who you are and you knwo what to do" sounds EERILY SIMILAR TO A POST made on Oct 2nd 2013 on SR1 Forums by an individual who posted (to DPR) ".. you know where to find me and you know what needs to be done, contact me" (paraphrased).

Mr. Defcon - please do NOT take this route. I don't want to open a can of worms.. but if it means jeopardizing this entire community and painting a picture of all is well in paradise when thats NOT the case, I will not let that happen. As to Cirrus - I URGE YOU (since we both know you know nearly all of the facts, and I've even shown you logs and whatnot months ago and you know VERY well I'm not inventing anything) to talk sense into him and I urge you to do what's right for the community.

My hunch is that in the end, Cirrus will do the right thing and realize the situation for what it is and will lay it on the table for all (to the extent that nobody is "doxxed") and then, ONLY THEN, should everyone make a decision wether they want to continue to use SR.

If I'm wrong then I will absolutely, unequivocally blow the lid and then you will all make adult decisions on wether you think it will be wise to continue.

Well, Defcon? Well, Cirrus? Well, DPR..3?

xol +1

Yep, sucks.    What ever was said, was said - foolish to think it was deleted for concerns of security.  It was obviously a power play and has given more credibility to oracles'  previous posts that too disappeared.


Very Strange happenings

Of course my posts were deleted. No shocker there. I'm sure my account will be too at some point, simply for pleading for reason and sanity and caution.
I'm about very close to bowing out of here. You all know where to reach me oracledelphi@safe-mail.net  (I'm sure that address will be censored out too.. because.. people arent allowed to post their own email addresses.. or something).

Wow, just wow.

Compromised account thread just removed for some reason.....

heh

The new successor is obviously the same person as the person annointing the new successor, as well as the previous "successor".. who himself is NOT a compromised individual.. but who himself is on thin ice and is vulnerable because of ross/lib/inigo/ssbd.

How am I the only one not blind to whats going on?

Quote from: oracle on December 22, 2013, 10:59:25 pm

Quote from: Sunnyvale on December 22, 2013, 10:53:49 pm

Quote from: oracle on December 22, 2013, 10:52:04 pm

Oh FFS! PEOPLE - OPEN YOUR EYES.

Sad, really sad. Nobody can possibly be THAT stupid to not see what's going on here. And here we go again, ONCE AGAIN, putting our own greed above the interests of the entire community.

Can you please elaborate more for us simpler folk?

As I mentioend here: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=10689.300;topicseen

I think you all need to realze that DPR2's vanishing act, and now Defcon's emergence annointing the "chosen successor" to rise from the ashes... I mean.. Ok.. I think the people who can do the simple math understand it for what it is.. but it's just not a smart idea. Again, I'll say it AGAIN like I said in October.. this is NOT a smart idea.. please DO NOT do this, and please THINK this through.
The irony folks, the RICHEST irony in this, is the title of this cleanet article : http://weirderweb.com/2013/06/10/ambition-has-no-rest-the-long-education-of-a-silk-road-money-launderer/

"Ambition has no rest". Oh the irony, oh the fucking irony.

I appeal to Defcon/DPR 3 (seriously)/DPR2/DPR4 to PLEASE PLEASE, PRETTY FUCKING PLEASE think what you're doing THROUGH.

I appeal to YOU CIRRUS, to THINK this through. You've always been smart and honest, how can you be apart of this farce?

look, all due respect, i see your point, but you're not going to talk people out of wanting drugs.. either give us a link to a "safe black market" site or deal with the fact that all black markets have ups and downs.. also either use the site, or dont, thats your choice.. call me stupid, idc. im taking security measures for myself. if other people get caught its on them.

This is fair enough, and I honestly don't have answer to this. People want their drugs and they deserve to get them. I mean I don't know. I don't know the anwswer to this and I don't have an alternative solution. I do know that everyone locked up knows DPR2's doxx, and that Defcon and now DPR3 is an utter farce and no amount of energy spent on stylometric obfuscation will be able to fool the 5-0s.

I appreciate some of you seeing this for what it is, and for those who aren't.. I insist you take 5 mins away from the computer, get some fresh air, then see the absurdity of this.