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Hey every one! So for those who dont know, Ive got this eternal love for that magical molecule, every thing about it absolutely amazes me. I feel like I can never learn & know enough about it, from the molecular, semi synthetic synthesis , all the way to the actions and reactions it causes in the human mind and body. I know I am not the only one, theres a small, yet quite vast L adoring community, a good portion of which, is present here on the Road.
How about a thread to discuss anything LSD that doesn't pertain to the other L threads, such as the Avengers, or the vendor review thread. A place where all my fellow Lucy Lovers can come to quell their curiosity about anything L, post and read various excerpts and or quotes, or simply shoot the shit about our trips , past, present and future.
Ill go ahead and kick this fucker off with an awesome post from another forum, which quotes Chinacat, that I think is fucking awesome. ;D
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It was written by a man who was part of the Greatful Dead Family who, during the 60's & 70's, toured with the band spreading LSD all over America.
Some interesting facts about laying LSD, its purity & its importance to mankind. :)
Its a long read but you're interested in LSD i'm sure you'll enjoy it.......
Crystal to Blotter [LSD]
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The information in this thread was generously provided by Chinacat72, a member of Mycotopia forum, in 2005.
"I will discuss LSD crystal and what happens with it. This info is from my experiences a long time ago.I can safely offer it because I have retired from this line of work and stay far away from it.
First I will briefly discuss the people or family as there called so you can get an appreciation for what they do and have done. The family is motivated to spread LSD because we believe that LSD is a key givin to us from above. LSD was givin to man from god to help him see the error of his ways. Why do you think it was discovered during the most horrible time in history. It is the antidote for the atomic bomb. It`s doesn`t matter if you beleive this or not ,because what i`m trying to express is how deeply important the family feels about the sacred value of LSD. Those who are at the upper level`s of the family will gladly sacrifice there lifes and freedom to do this work.
OK now down to the crystal. I have little knowlege about LSD manufacture so i`m going to talk about the final product the crystal. On tour crystal came in brown glass bottles with 1-10 grams in them. The bottles were sealed and contained CO2 and crystal. You can`t just buy crystal from family. First you have to be taught how to lay it ,which i`ll cover in a little bit. Also you have to do a thumbprint(eat it) there are no exeptions to this rule.The reason is to make sure your Karma is clean enough to handle this sacred work.
TYPES OF CRYSTAL
Needlepoint -very pure(95% ) white powerdery crystal,was available in small amount`s. The best of the best
White Fluff -Very pure(95% ) white light flakes of crystal. Still around and the most sought after. very pure
Silver -Good and clean(85-90% )-light greyish crystal. Was an unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early nineties. Very good stuff. My first thumbprint was this kind. If you ate acid in the 80-90`s you probably sampled some silver.
Amber -Decent(70%?) This crystal varied from a light amber color to an almost dark brown color.Was always available.One batch called quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good.Lot`s a people worked with this crystal but I always would use silver instead since it was better and the same price.
Lavender -(60-70%?) light purple to almost black colored crystal. Like amber it varied batch to batch.
TJ (tornado juice) - purity unknown. I seen this shit in about four different colors and it always scared me. No experiance with it.
Champagne -(50-60% ) black crystal, nasty stuff IMHO. I worked with it once and swore to never touch it again.
OK so you got some crystal and need to get it on blotter. It`s a pretty amazing feeling holding a jar in your hands that has 10 grams of crystal in it. That`s 100,000 doses in the palm of your hand. For dealing with laying we`ll say we got 1 gram. Acid is always layed 1 gram=10 tenpacks. A tenpack is tensheets. 1gram=10,000doses. If your laying needlpoint your doses will be 95mcg, because your crystal is 95% pure. If your laying amber your shit will be 70mcg, because it`s 70% pure. got it
Now you get a glass pyrex pan to dip your tenpacks in. Your crystal is dissovled into 110ml. of everclear per gram.The purer crystals dissolve instantly with a little stirring. The not so pure take a little shaking. Champange is damn near impossible to get to dissolve evenly.
Paper-for white blotter standard watercolor paper#14 or equivalent is used. It`s critical you get the right paper. If you don`t it won`t absorb right and you`ll fuck it all up.Print`s are made up ahead of time and perferated.
OK so you got your crystal dissolved and your paper cut and ready. There are 2 schools when it comes to putting it on the paper. First dump the solution in the pan and dip each tenpack into it then lift it up and let any excess solution run off into the pan. Second method is to put the tenpack into the pan and squirt the solution on it with a baby syringe(the ones they give little kids medicine with). I Have done both and prefer dipping them just because its quicker .Then the tenpacks are layed out to dry which doesn`t take long since alcohol evaporates quickly. If you did it right there will be very little residue left in the bottom of the pan.This redidue is extremely potent and is either soaked up with a piece of paper(called mop up) or made into potent liquid(called wash). Whatever you choose this is saved for your personal use. While your doing all this you get very,very high. As soon as you open the jar of crystal it intoxicates the air. Most people were rubber gloves when doing this some don`t. Just don`t have any plans afterwards.
There might be slightly different methods used when laying, but this is how the dead family does it. After the tenpacks are dryed there distibuted and eaten up. Since the end of the Grateful Dead the massive distribution network that used to get rid of so much acid has been broken up badly. Never fear Acid is still out there"
LSD is still around though it seems that a majority of the labs are inactive at the moment. This is normal as they don`t produce all the time. Most like the silver family only produce about every 5 years. Though they usually produce enough to last that long.
When the Grateful Dead toured massive amount`s of LSD were distributed around the country. On a typical east coast tour 100-150grams could easily be sold. Thats a million to a million and a half doses. This flooded these citys and the lsd trickled down to every nook and cranny of america. By the time it was dry again another tour would roll through the region and resupply it. Plus we would meet people on tour from certain area`s of the country and keep them supplied with the help of the good ole USPS.
Sadly when the dead stopped touring this network went into shambles. People fell out of touch and with no shows ,there wasn`t the marketplace for distibution.In turn parts of the country arn`t getting saturated anymore.
LSD isn`t moved and sold like the cartel`s move coke and such. It`s handled by a brotherhood of people who truly believe there doing the work of god(or whatever name you call creation). We believe that LSD crystal has to be handled by the right people who are totally committed to the movement.
When we moved crystal there was always the feeling that we were protected by a higher power. I can`t tell you how many times i have had crystal or acid on me or my brothers and have been in situation`s where we should have gotten busted and something always protected us. So many times that coincidence is not an option. Why do i think we were protected. Because the family does it for mankind not money. We viewed LSD as the only hope for the radical change in conciousness that would save us. So in effect we viewed are work as the work of God. You know why they never busted a family lab? Because we would never betray LSD. Just as Jesus was nailed to the cross we were willing to spend the rest of our lives in jail or die to protect what we viewed as the salvation of are species. Sound`s a little dramatic doesn`t it, but i`m trying to give you an understanding of the faith in LSD that the family has.
By the way the Kansas bust was not a family lab incase anybody is wondering. The point i`m trying to make is the family believes LSD has to move through the right hands. This is why you can`t go down to the corner and get a gram of crystal. sorry to ramble.
As some of the cooks retire i rest assure you that they pass there recipes and secret`s down to those chosen to continue to fight the good fight. I don`t think it will ever be as readily available all over the country as it once was due to the break up of the distribution cycle of tour. I could be wrong and hope i am.
Alot of old family have moved on and including myself retired, feeling we served our time. The family does hear your cry`s for more acid and they don`t plan on giving up on mankind. Now's a good time for labs to be inactive. the current government administration is viewed as a bad storm that needs to pass as jerry sang "all good things in all good time" Keep the faith"
"For me and the rest of the people on tour it was just a matter of spending year after year on tour. The elder`s that are on top keep in a eye on everybody that help`s move there stuff. They also know the intentions of those people. If they know your true and a total believer in the work they start letting you hang around.
Many hour`s are spent in hotel rooms watching them work. They make sure you know every detail. Also they make sure that you know the importance of being honest and laying your product correctly. Every hit you lay has the potential to change somebody`s life and bring them into the light. It`s taught like an apprenticeship.
My first thumbprint was silver. Before my print i thought i was pretty experienced with acid. I had been puddled many times with strong liquid. I wasn`t near as experienced as i thought as i walked into the room and everybody had a huge grin on there face, and i saw what i was about to take. Thumbprint`s arn`t weighed out on a scale. It`s more of "that`s a nice little chunk ,that should do" Your talking several sheet`s or more when you do a print.
Fluff and needlpoint are damn pure and i don`t imagine bears was any purer. I have heard of batches of needlepoint being as high as 98% White fluff is gorgous crystal. We would eat this crystal like crazy. When i first met the main guy in charge of this crystal he was snorting it!!!!
After i did a fluff print i never did any other kind except needlepoint. When you eat crystal you definatly can tell the differences between them. Purity does matter at that level."
Isn't a thumbprint dangerous? You'd think a persons mind would be changed forever after doing that amount.
"A thumbprint isn`t even close to the largest doses people have done. Dangerous? LSD is physiologicaly one of the safest drugs there are. There`s not one valid death that can be attributed to physiological complications from taking LSD. I didn`t know all this when i was taking it though.
Psychologically it could be very negative if the wrong person does it. That`s why we didn`t just walk around the parking lot handing out thumbprint`s.
As far as high doses go, it totally opens you up. For about a week afterwards your first print you need some babysitting. Hell you`ve just been reborn! After awhile it`s less tramatic. As for after effects. I am middle aged and healthy. I have 3 bright healthy children. And i`m just getting my bachelor`s degree with a 3.5GPA I do feel high very often though, but i don`t mind. The man that gave me my first print still does crystal once in awhile and he`s in his mid sixties."
You mention the purity varying on alot of the crystal. How are they checking purity? Just roughly with how long it takes to dissolve in a solvent?
"I can tell by color. How crystallin it is and what color it is. You can inspect the crystal once you know what good clean crystal looks like. And then you can compare. I have a moto "if it's white it's all right". Of course the jugement on my end is not scientific . I examin it like jewelers do jewels. The only real way to get a very accurate reading on how pure it is comes from the lab. Most decent lab's have a GC/MS and can get a decent purity reading from that. Needlepoint and White fluff are the only one's that are reliably consistant. Silver varies a little. Lavender and Amber vary greatly in appearance from batch to batch. Indicating a difference in purity.
If I was buying Amber or Lavender I would want to see it first. They have a tendancy every once in awhile to skimp on the last part of manufacture. The rinse and recrysitazation at the end is crucial in determing purity. If this isn't done enough your product is less pure.Some of you may have heard Owsley say he lost 20% of his product making sure its pure. Thats because he rised it a ton of times. Thats why his shit was said to be better than Sandoz. Amber and Lavender if they don't due this good there crystal looks more dirty. Also the purer you make your crystal the less it weighs and it's sold by weight."
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How long does LSD "stay good"? I mean if i was to take it, put it in a zippylock and then put it in the pages of a book (someplace with unchanging air and no light) "I find that exact method perfect. I took two sheets of needlepoint and wraped them in plastic wrap then A. foil and put them in the middle of a book on a bookshelf. There going on 3 years old and last time somebody tried them they were very potent. They get no light ,air ,and are in a cool enviroment.
As for crystal it's stored in brown glass vial's that are filled with CO2 and sealed."
You said the Family was always on tour with the Dead. Do you know offhand if any of them ever had the occasion to hang with Jerry and the guys?
"A lot of the older guys did. Hell the family started with the Dead and Bear. It's all connected from the band, crew to the fans and faithful.
As for hanging with Jerry myself , no. I got backstage several times, but that doesn't mean anything. There's backstage and then there is the bands backstage ,thats off limits. I would much rather be in the crowd. The closest I ever got to Jerry was ten feet as he walked by me and a bunch of other people. I just smiled. I had nothing to say. He had a lot of pressure with all the people who clung to him and thought he was a god.
It was really hard for him to deal with and one of the reasons he turned to smack IMHO. I had nothing to say to him ,Except mabye "Play St. Stephen!"
I was just curious what kind of sheets were going around when you were into it, was there always different sheets or was there stockpiles of certain kinds?
"Over the 8 years I was on tour I saw more prints than I possibly could remember or list. I wouldn't even know were to begin. Hundreds and hundreds of different kinds. My favorite was plain white unperferated paper. The reason for this was alot of cops don't know what a tenpack of white unperfed blotter looks like. Once on a Greyhound bus from Floridia to Baltimore our bus was stopped and a bunch of feds got on it. They searched everybodys bags. They were looking for guns or coke since we were coming from floridia. I'll never forget the feeling of watching a federal agent (FBI I believe) go through my bag and pull stuff out. I had a gram(ten- tenpacks or 10,000 doses) of white paper. He pulled it out and had no clue what it was . It looked like just a bunch of ten inch square pieces of paper to him. Had it be perferated and had a print on it he probably would have known. After that I was a true believer in white unperfed paper.
Print's are usually made in mass amounts and then sold to the different familys. So one kind of print can actually have several different kinds of crystal on them. This happened years ago with the Jesus Christ prints. The first ones were made of very pure white fluff and they were dipped to contain a little over 100mcg. People went nuts over them and the were the talk of the summer. Then the lavender family got hold of the same print and put there dirty ass crystal on them and they were about half the strength as the original white fluff batch.
People should know the truth about LSD. The internet is the perfect medium to transfer this knowlege. Just enough info can be given to paint a general picture of how things work, without giving specifics that would endanger this important work. I am in the perfect position to do so. I am long enough removed from the active scene to offer information without endangering anyone including myself. My friends that still live in the old world are very supportive.
Now it seams lifetimes ago. I was just a tool in a very large tool box. The family was around long before I came around. Luckily it was in a time when a lot of the older folks were around to help with the scene. For me LSD is a gift and tool given to man from the heavens. I truly believe it is here to point us back towards the light. These values are the same with almost all the family.
After you get a glimpse of eternity you can't help ,but want to share it with others who need it."
Sand, Scully, and Owsely were the original chemists working for the family?
"Yes, all 3 were family. Owsely was the original chemist of the Dead scene/family. He set many of the standards and ethics still held today. He also got Sand and Scully involved and doing this work for the people not money. Sand and Scully were in The "Brotherhood of Eternal Love". Back then it was basically all one big network or family. After the feds broke up the BEL in the 70's is when people split off and ran smaller labs,networks and were known by there product.
I would also like to note that when all 3 were busted they were all threatend with huge sentences. They kept there mouth shut and served very little time in comparison to how much they could have served.
Pickard was family many years ago. He has been busted for manufacturing 3 times. On his second bust he ran his mouth to the feds about other drug activity within the scene resulting in several people getting prison time. After that he was shunned and nobody in the family would work for him. That is why he had to work with such shady people in Kansas. Had he been working with family he wouldn't be going to serve a lifetime prison sentence, he wouldn't have been busted at all. On his second bust instead of biting the bullet and keeping his mouth shut like Sand, Scully, and Owsely, he chose to make a deal.
Many years later now he is going to prison for life because he was betrayed in the same way. I do hope that Pickard can get out of prison before his life ends. He has a new kid that was just born and a new wife. He has done a great service to man by making LSD. I would hope that after a few years he can get released and live his remaining years with his new family. I doubt he will be so lucky though.
Many of us who have been graced by LSD owe a great debt to these 3 pioneer chemists and the ones that still remain active and unknown today."
"In the days of old tour wasn't just a time to flood the country with LSD, but also about making connections. For those of us on the road full time we needed an income when we got back to the bay area. Meeting kind people on tour was always nice, but it also provided an chance to spread the juice when we wern't traveling. When the Dead toured 4 times a year you would meet all sorts of folks from every nook and crany of the US. Some of these people were chosen to provide for there community. This is a huge link in the distribution chain. And its also in very, very bad shape.
When Jerry died there was a lot of folks who quit touring. As people moved around connections were severed. In the old days if you lost track of people you knew you would see them at the next tour. Now thats not an option because there is no tour. People have fell out of touch. People have moved on. So as the years have moved on the existing links have been stretched thinner and thinner."
I'm starting to think the Brotherhood is just one more lost religion.
"I have little faith in the LSD movement ever getting full steam again. I hope i'm wrong. It will always be around, but the not like it was. The distribution system is in shambles. It seems that a whole new generation of younger people lacking the once highly held ethics are ruining things.
On a positive note, the psychedelic movement will continue. Things change and may seem dark ,but we must continue. The psychedelic experience and man have been together for thousands of years. It survived christianity,it can survive anything. It goes underground now and then, but is there for those dedicated enough to seek it out. If you feel strongly about the benefits of psychedelics then do something positive about it.
You can't expect the old generation to carry the torch forever. A new wave of dedicated folks needs to rise up and continue this work. Can you think of a more important thing to do?
i believe there's a large number of us who would LOVE to get into it and help, how is this possible?
"It is going to be tough for any new people to get into this work. This summer has shown that poor choices were made in who would spread the love. Not saying it can't be done, but it will be tough. It usually takes a few years of hanging around. Your intentions will be tested.
Not to worry though, because there are many ways we can all help.
First is to become educated and responsible when it comes to psychedelics. Know the facts and when debating sceptics be mature and informed. Most people have very poor info about LSD. Rumors and bullshit plague its myth. The more people we have telling the truth the better.
Turn people on. You'll never make a closer friend than one you turned on. After you get to know the effects of psychedelics you can tell that certain people would benefit from them. Talk to them if they're willing. Don't be pushy, but offer them info. Then if they want offer them the chance. The more truthful info they have the better off they'll be.
I am a firm believer that psychedelics can be shown to be useful in mental health. I am in the middle of a 9 year academic voyage to get the proper credentials to help if the chance arises. If we can prove through science and medicine that LSD is benifitial then we make a great step forward. Not only will it help expell the nasty rumors around them, but give people the chance touch the healing energy that LSD can open up. Studies are under way in the US right now. There for conditions like OCD. Even though most of us don't have OCD this study is important. It establishes the safety of psychedelics. This opens the doors for further studies that cover other areas. Before the scheduling of LSD there was a lot of research being done. Alot of it was very promising.
LSD and other psychedelics were placed in the schedule one category and access to them was cut off even to legit researchers. This was a total political move that had nothing to do with the saftey or benefits of LSD. It was about trying to get control of a generation that didn't want to be under control. Theres many researchers in the world very interested in psychedelic research. These are very bright M.D.'s, PhD's and scientists. The more help on this front the better. This is were I will spend my remaining years for the movement.
Supply- There is always a need for psychedelics. If your totally dedicated and willing to risk your freedom to better this planet through providing psychedelics then all the info you need is available at your finger tips.
I can think of nothing more important for the survival of our species and those we live with then for us all to have access to the psychedelic experience."
To give some closure to this thread, a beautiful prayer:
-by innerbeing
"Let us pray for the Brotherhood, for their infinite compassion, and for their understanding of the sufferings of us unawakened individuals. May they realize that there are many who could benefit from their understanding here and now. We could only hope that they will recognize the need amongst us and they will respond out of their compassionate grace to help us in these dark times. We must generate the loving consciousness that has been lost in this decade.....we must develop loving-kindness for all of our brothers and sisters, and we must share these qualities with everyone at all times. The time has come, my dear Brothers, for a reawakening of the values, of which you hold so dear, let us continue what you have started. We wait with patience for your response....and we shall continue to wait for as long as it takes. Peace be with you all."
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interesting thread
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interesting thread
Im glad you think so dude=0)
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Wow, Really? no hits on this idea? very suprised , I am.. ( yoda voice )
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Implications of LSD and Experimental Mysticism
THE PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE OF MYSTICAL CONSCIOUSNESS
The form of psychedelic experience here called mystical consciousness can best be described as a dimension of experience that, when expressed on paper by an experimental subject and subsequently content-analyzed, corresponds to nine interrelated categories, each of which is described below. These categories were derived by Pahnke (1963) from a historical survey of the literature of spontaneous mysticism, including the commentaries of scholars such as William James (1929) and W. T. Stace (1960). As Stace has emphasized, such categories attempt to describe the core of a universal psychological experience, free from culturally determined philosophical or theological interpretations. Some of the categories described below are illustrated by excerpts from phenomenological descriptions of psychedelic experiences. The ontological status of such descriptions may, of course, be debated. Our concern here is simply to present examples of the psychological phenomena being reported.
1. UNITY
Experience of an undifferentiated unity, we suggest, is the hallmark of mystical consciousness. Such unity may be either internal or external, depending upon whether the subject-object dichotomy transcended is between the usual self and an inner world" within the experiencer, or whether it is between the usual self and the external world of sense impressions outside the experiencer. Both forms of unity are known to occur within the same person, even in the same psychedelic session. Although each form of unity occurs in a different manner, the states of consciousness ultimately experienced may be identical.
Internal unity reportedly occurs in the following manner: Awareness of all normal sense impressions (visual, auditory, cutaneous, olfactory, gustatory, and kinesthetic) cases, and the empirical ego (i.e., the usual sense of individuality) seems to die or face away while pure consciousness of what is being experienced paradoxically remains and seems to expand as a vast inner world is encountered. A sense of movement is experienced within this inner world through numerous so-called "dimensions of being" towards a goal that is felt to have the status of ultimate reality. Internal unity occurs when consciousness merges with this "ground of being," beyond all empirical distinctions. Although awareness of one's empirical ego has ceased, one does not become unconscious.
I found myself grunting in agreement or mumbling, "Of course it has always been this way" over and over again as the panorama of my life seemed to be swept up by this unifying and eternal principle... I seemed to relinquish my life in "layers:" the more I let go, the greater sense of oneness I received. As I approached what I firmly believed to be the point of death, I experienced an ever greater sense of an eternal dimension to life.
In contrast, external unity generally seems to occur as follows: Awareness of one or more particular sense impressions grows in intensity until suddenly the object of perception and the empirical ego simultaneously seem to cease to exist as separate entities, while consciousness seems to transcend subject and object and become impregnated by a profound sense of unity, accompanied by the insight that ultimately "all is One." The subject-object dichotomy transcended may be between the empirical ego and (1) an animate visual object such as another person or a rose, (2) an inanimate visual object such as the leg of a table (Huxley, 1963) or even a grain of sand; or (3) an auditory object such as the music of a symphony. Theoretically, objects of other sensory modalities could stand in polar relation to the empirical ego and be incorporated into experiences of external unity as well.
When looking at the rose as an object, it seemed to "come alive" before my eyes. Its petals seemed to "breathe" as, slowly and gracefully, then unfolded, seeming to express the ultimate in beauty. Fascinated, I watched these movements of "cosmic gentleness" until, suddenly, I knew the rose; that is to say, transcending the dichotomy of subject and object, I somehow became One with the rose, no longer existing as an ego passively viewing an object in its environment. Although in the objectivity of my critical mind, I knew there were no physical changes in the flower, subjectively I seemed to see it in a totally new perspective, a perspective which elicited tears and deep feelings of reverence.... Supporting the ancient monistic school of thought, I expressed the philosophical insight that, 'We are all the same thing."... Another time I commented that, "There is more to beauty than we know."
2. OBJECTIVITY AND REALITY
Intrinsic to this second category are two interrelated elements: (I) insightful knowledge or illumination about being or existence in general that is felt at an intuitive, nonrational level and gained by direct experience, and (a) the authoritativeness or the certainty for the experiences that such knowledge is truly or ultimately real, in contrast to the feeling that the experience is a subjective delusion. These two elements are connected because the knowledge through participation in ultimate reality (in the sense of being able to know and see what is real), carries its own sense of certainty. It is to this facet of mystical consciousness that William James assigned the term "noetic quality," writing: "Although so similar to states of feeling, mystical states seem to those who experience them to be also states of knowledge. They are states of insight into depths of truth unplumbed by the discursive intellect" (James, 1929). Such insight is intuitively felt to be of a more fundamental form of reality than either the phenomena of everyday consciousness or the most vivid of dreams or hallucinations.
I was experiencing directly the metaphysical theory known as emanationism in which, beginning with the clear, unbroken and infinite light of God, the light then breaks into forms and lessens in intensity as it passes through descending degrees of reality... Bergson's concept of the brain as a reducing valve I now saw to be precisely true.... The emanation theory, and especially the elaborately worked out layers of Hindu and Buddhist cosmology and psychology had heretofore been concepts and inferences. Now they were objects of the most direct and immediate perception. I could we exactly how these theories would have come into being if their progenitors had had this experience. But beyond accounting for their origin, my experience testified to their absolute truth.
Experience of the contents of this category may be expressed in many ways, among which are assertions of having known the origin and goal of history, of having found the answer to the ancient query, "What am I?", of having intuited the harmonious structure of the universe, of having experienced the primacy of love and the brotherhood of man, or of having realized the reality of life that transcends temporal death.
3. TRANSCENDENCE OF SPACE AND TIME
This category refers on one hand to the loss of a person's usual orientation as to where he is during the experience in terms of the usual three-dimensional perception of his environment, and on the other hand, to a radical change in perspective in which he suddenly feels as though he is outside of time, in eternity or infinity, beyond both past and future. In this state of consciousness, space and time are generally meaningless concepts, although one may feel that one can look back upon the totality of history from this transcendent perspective.
From the perspective of the Timeless, I could see my life in retrospect and prospect. It was as if it had all been lived through before, as if we had all been here before, and would be here again. There was a strong preordained feeling about this. I began to see a bit into the future. I understood that I should go back and try to work through some unresolved problems in my relationships with others, and that there would be considerable suffering ahead. My own death was also dimly sensed and strangely accepted. I saw the unbroken continuity of my past with my future, which was not contradicted by the feeling that this present experience would remain with me and bring about deep changes. The fact that all was preordained did not contradict living in freedom, fighting for truth and against evil...
4. SENSE OF SACREDNESS
Sacredness is here defined as a nonrational, intuitive, hushed, palpitant response in the presence of inspiring realities. It is that which a person feels to be of special value and capable of being profaned. Inherent in the nondifferentiated unity of mystical consciousness is a profound sense of holiness and sacredness that is felt to be at a more basic level than any religious or philosophical concepts held by the experiencer. Furthermore, an acute awareness of infinitude is reported, as though one had stood before the Infinite in profound humility, overwhelmed by feelings of awe and reverence. This aspect of mystical consciousness is well reflected in Rudolf Otto's term, the mysterium tremendum (Otto, 1958, pp. 12-40).
The most impressive and intense part of this experience was the white light of absolute purity and cleanness. It was like a glowing and sparkling flame of incandescent whiteness and beauty, but not really a flame-more like a gleaming white-hot ingot, yet much bigger and vaster than a mere ingot. The associated feelings were those of absolute awe, reverence, and sacredness. Just before this experience I had the feeling of going deep within myself to the self stripped bare of all pretense and falseness. It was the point where a man could stand firm with absolute integrity—something more important than mere physical life. The white light experience was of supreme importance—absolutely self-validating and something worth staking your life on and putting your trust in. The white light itself was so penetrating and intense that it was not possible to look directly at it. It was not in the room with me, but we were both somewhere else-and my body was left far behind.
5. DEEPLY-FELT POSITIVE MOOD
This category focuses upon the feelings of joy, love, blessedness, and peace inherent in mystical consciousness. Joy may be exuberant or quiet. Love may vary in intensity from feelings of tenderness, through deeply felt nonsensual feelings of ultimate concern for other persons, to a state resembling prolonged intense sexual orgasm. The latter degree of intensity is generally dissociated from any stimulation or excitation of the sexual organs, being "spiritual" rather than "erotic" in nature. Peace is "the peace which passes understanding" and entails not only deep relaxation, but a conviction that ultimately there is no ground for anxiety.
The feelings I experienced could best be described as cosmic tenderness, infinite love, penetrating peace, eternal blessing and unconditional acceptance on one hand, and on the other, as unspeakable awe, overflowing joy, primeval humility, inexpressible gratitude and boundless devotion. Yet all of these words are hopelessly inadequate and can do little more than meekly point towards the genuine inexpressible feelings actually experienced.
6. PARADOXICALITY
This category reflects the manner in which significant aspects of mystical consciousness are felt by the experiencer to be true in spite of the fact that they violate the laws of Aristotelian logic. For example, the subject claims to have died or ceased to exist, yet obviously continues to exist and even writes about his experiences. He may claim to have experienced an empty unity that at the same time contains all reality. He may write about non-being that is more than being. He may claim to have felt "out of the body" while he was still "in the body." He may envision a universal self that is both unqualitied and qualitied, both impersonal and personal, and both inactive and active.
There was awareness of undifferentiated unity, embracing the perfect identity of subject and object, of singleness and plurality, of the One and the Many. Thus I found myself (if indeed the words "I" and "myself" have any meaning m such a context) at once the audience, the actors and the play! Logically the One can give birth to the Many and the Many can merge into the One or be fundamentally but not identical with it; they cannot be in all respects one and many simultaneously. But now logic was transcended... I doubt if this statement can possibly be made to seem meaningful at the ordinary level of consciousness. No wonder the mystics of all faiths teach that understanding comes only when logic and intellect are transcended! ... Logic also boggles at trying to explain how I could at once perceive and yet be those colours and those forms, how the seer, the seeing and the seen, the feeler, the feeling and the felt could all be one; but, to me, all this was so clearly self-evident as to suggest the words "childishly simple" (Blofeld, I966, p. 29).
7. ALLEGED INEFFABILITY
When a subject attempts to communicate mystical consciousness verbally to another person, he usually claims that the available linguistic symbols—if not the structure of language itself—are inadequate to contain or even accurately reflect such experience. Perhaps the reason such experience is felt to be beyond words is to be found in a frustration with language, which, in turn, arises out of the paradoxical nature of the essential phenomena and the incomparable uniqueness of the experience itself. One subject likened himself to a cave-man who was momentarily transported into the bustling center of Manhattan and then returned to his cave, suggesting that, when subsequently interrogated by his wife, such a cave-man could not claim that his experience was ineffable in spite of the fact that it seemed intrinsically logical at the time, as though it could be discussed with words by some future generation.
To seek to condense any of my experiences into words is to distort them rendering them finite and impure... What is a "transcendent dimension of being?" Such words on paper are little more than metaphysical poetry. Somehow I feel I could better communicate my experience by composing a symphony or by molding a twisted piece of contemporary sculpture, had I the talents required for either form of artistic expression. In no sense have I an urge to formulate philosophical or theological dogmas about my experience. Only my silence can retain its purity and genuineness.
8. TRANSIENCY
This category refers to the temporary duration of mystical consciousness in contrast to the relative permanence of the level of usual experience. The special and unusual forms of consciousness discussed above appear, remain for anywhere from a matter of seconds to a few hours and then disappear, returning the experiencer to his usual state of everyday consciousness. The characteristic of transiency indicates that the mystical state of consciousness is not sustained indefinitely and marks one of the important differences between it and psychosis.
9. POSITIVE CHANGES IN ATTITUDE AND/OR BEHAVIOR
Persons who have experienced the contents of the eight categories discussed above are also known to report concomitant changes in attitudes (1) toward themselves, (2) toward others, (3) toward life, and (4) toward mystical consciousness itself. Increased personality integration is reported, including a renewed sense of personal worth coupled with a relaxation of habitual mechanisms of ego defense. It is as though Paul Tillich's assertion that "It is the power of being-itself that accepts and gives the courage to be" (Tillich, 1952, p. 185) has been immediately experienced as true, and one thus is able to "accept oneself as accepted in spite of being unacceptable" (Tillich, 1952, p. 164). One feels as though personal problems can now be so confronted that they may finally be reduced or eliminated. One's faith in one's own potential for creative achievement tends to be increased, at least at the subjective level. In one's relationships with other persons, greater sensitivity, increased tolerance, and more real compassion are reported. Theologically trained persons frequently feel that they have acquired new and profound insights into the meaning Martin Buber sought to convey in his term "the I-Thou relationship," finally knowing the meaning of genuinely meeting another person without the subtle masks that separate man from man. Changed or enlarged attitudes towards life are reported in the areas of deeper sensitivity to values that are felt to be eternal, increased sensitivity to an inner imperative that seeks expression through other-centered behavior, increased vocational commitment, loss of a fear of death coupled with an expanded awareness of the significance of historical existence, and an enriched appreciation for the whole of creation. As an expression of these attitudes, more time may be spent in meditation. The memory of mystical consciousness itself is regarded as deeply meaningful and similar experiences may be sought as a source of growth and strength.
Although attitudinal and behavioral changes such as these are subjectively reported by psychedelic subjects who have experienced the contents of the preceding eight categories, the duration and permanence of such changes and the extent to which they are manifested in everyday existence are topics in need of extensive research. Only after such research is completed can the degree of correspondence between the positive changes claimed by psychedelic subjects and the effects of spontaneous life-enhancing mystical experiences be determined.
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^^^ Great post dude. +1!
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Just shooting the shit here waiting for my first bitcoins to come through from a very reputable vendor here on SR. Can't wait to make my first purchase. Anyways, on the same note, I am in the middle of reading this very informative book (although it's pretty old) that I got from a friend. Just earlier today I read:
"Back in the 60's, Haight-Ashbury was the United States' first in-your-face, open-air, one-stop shop for drugs and the first place (besides Sandoz in Basel) you could buy LSD like you'd buy brown rice or sod grass, in bulk. Lots of people made money there, but no one was a bigger cosmic success than the legendary Augustus Owsley Stanley III ... Owsley was obsessed with making his product pure-- Definately purer than Sandoz's yellowish crystalline LSD. It didn't take him long to find a way to refine the crystal so it looked blue-white under a fluorescent lamp........................
Exert from"Trips : How hallucinogens work in your brain" by Cheryl Pellerin. Good book. Covers pharmacology, neurotransmition, chemical structures, history, as well as FDA/DEA regulation and protocol for research.
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Just shooting the shit here waiting for my first bitcoins to come through from a very reputable vendor here on SR. Can't wait to make my first purchase. Anyways, on the same note, I am in the middle of reading this very informative book (although it's pretty old) that I got from a friend. Just earlier today I read:
"Back in the 60's, Haight-Ashbury was the United States' first in-your-face, open-air, one-stop shop for drugs and the first place (besides Sandoz in Basel) you could buy LSD like you'd buy brown rice or sod grass, in bulk. Lots of people made money there, but no one was a bigger cosmic success than the legendary Augustus Owsley Stanley III ... Owsley was obsessed with making his product pure-- Definately purer than Sandoz's yellowish crystalline LSD. It didn't take him long to find a way to refine the crystal so it looked blue-white under a fluorescent lamp........................
Exert from"Trips : How hallucinogens work in your brain" by Cheryl Pellerin. Good book. Covers pharmacology, neurotransmition, chemical structures, history, as well as FDA/DEA regulation and protocol for research.
+1 dude, thats a cool read!
Good luck on your first SR purchase. Im sure it will go off with out a hitch and you will more likely than not, be very please with the product. Who is it your going with if you dont mind my asking?
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Paranoia has led me to make a decision of WOW domestic(US) small order. After messaging hypnotiq and tab monster hypnotic replied he was out of the single tab order he had posted. So as of now I am going with the rainbow family crystal(east coast fam) that tab monster has. What do you think?
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and sugar mama for the BTC!
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Paranoia has led me to make a decision of WOW domestic(US) small order. After messaging hypnotiq and tab monster hypnotic replied he was out of the single tab order he had posted. So as of now I am going with the rainbow family crystal(east coast fam) that tab monster has. What do you think?
Awesome dude, I too had to place a domestic order, ive got lots of that lovely lady in on the way but im on a deadline for a light show and meteor shower in two weeks.
Ive heard nothing but good things in the short time that TabMonster has been on the Road. Just look at his vendor page, i think its stats are like perfect thus far.
So for any one east coast us, dec 13 will be the biggest meteor shower of the year, said to produce up to 50 meteors per hour, from midnight 13 - dawn. 5 hits and a blanket on the beach= EPIC (all provided clear skys =/)
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Yes good choice on that too from my understanding. I personally go through bitinstant , so ive never had a transaction with her to comment further lol
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Paranoia has led me to make a decision of WOW domestic(US) small order. After messaging hypnotiq and tab monster hypnotic replied he was out of the single tab order he had posted. So as of now I am going with the rainbow family crystal(east coast fam) that tab monster has. What do you think?
Awesome dude, I too had to place a domestic order, ive got lots of that lovely lady in on the way but im on a deadline for a light show and meteor shower in two weeks.
Ive heard nothing but good things in the short time that TabMonster has been on the Road. Just look at his vendor page, i think its stats are like perfect thus far.
So for any one east coast us, dec 13 will be the biggest meteor shower of the year, said to produce up to 50 meteors per hour, from midnight 13 - dawn. 5 hits and a blanket on the beach= EPIC (all provided clear skys =/)
just to clarify, it will be thursday at midnight until dawn on friday, correct?
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Yes if thurs is the 13 then yes, can't get a calender up on my phone right now friend. Just google it, it has a name that escapes me at the moment
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It was written by a man who was part of the Greatful Dead Family who, during the 60's & 70's, toured with the band spreading LSD all over America.
Some interesting facts about laying LSD, its purity & its importance to mankind. :)
Its a long read but you're interested in LSD i'm sure you'll enjoy it.......
I've read that a while ago. It's definitely the most fascinating thing I've ever read!
LSD has the power to show us what is beyond death, what is the meaning of existence and eternity. It has the power to change the world! Most L users like us, try small amounts of it, and I always felt like I get only small tasting from the true power LSD has. I don't have the courage to try it though.. :o. I prefer to wait till I die... ;)
Peace
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wow bro this thread is amazing, pls continue... I've tried LSD a couple of times and I think is a very good experience to your mind, body and soul :)
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I am on a desk top now.. To confirm for any one interested in the meteor shower
Dec 13 Thurs beginning midnight , until sunrise.
@ BPM, Yea ive read it dozens of times, it gives me chills hehe. As far as the moLecuLe goes, You are right it is all of those things, and then some. Though i tent to dose pretty hard when i have the supply. pretty much never less than 200ug, the most ive dropped at a single time is prob 12, but thats when tolerance is through the roof after a few weeks of dosing. To each his own my friend=0)
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wow bro this thread is amazing, pls continue... I've tried LSD a couple of times and I think is a very good experience to your mind, body and soul :)
Im trying , I know theres lots of forum members that will appreciate this thread. I have loads of literature , from misc books like My Problem Child by hofmann, and a few by otto snow and uncle fester. Just waiting to see if theres enough people tuned in to read it all LOL
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Fun fact, quoted from My Problem Child.
1. How LSD Originated
"In the realm of scientific observation, luck
is granted only to those who are prepared.
-Louis Pasteur"
"Time and again I hear or read that LSD was discovered by accident. This is only partly
true. LSD came into being within a systematic research program, and the "accident" did
not occur until much later: when LSD was already five years old, I happened to
experience its unforeseeable effects in my own body-or rather, in my own mind."
-Albert Hofman
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i used to do acid.
i don't really want to do it anymore because i like my current personality and don't want acid to shatter it.
my first few big acid trips were groundbreaking for me, but after that was done i found something lacking. i would spend most of the trip thinking in depth about other, more intense psychedelic experiences, with drugs like Salvia and DMT. i think acid is good for analyzing those kind of high-intensity/short-duration psychedelics.
but then i got to the point where my normal daily mindset would probably be experienced as "tripping" by a square person.
i view acid as the "cure" for western society. it breaks you out of the box we're born into here. but, for me, after that had been completed there was nothing left for me. psilocybin, for example, seems to be a separate entity/deity which can impart foreign information unto me. never really got that feeling from acid.
i definitely recommend it to people who have yet to become satisfied by it. but i think it was Alan Watts who said, "once you get the message, hang up the phone."
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Interesting point of view. I can respect it. There is times when I feel alike, but then i just detox totally, & in a month drop a hit or 3, and its magic all over again. much love Joey
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Well got my first BTC today and went to get some WOW from TabMonster only to find that he had nothing listed anymore. After drying my tears I quickly went on yet another search for US domestic WOW. TheGoodGuys seem descent but are a little pricy. CousinFrank is Domestic but extremely new. Any comments would be appreciated. :)
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@ awakening, i think Cousin Frank is legit, hes brand new but i recallhe sending out samples, and his shit is priced according. Run a forum search to see some threads about him. Good luck
Edit: The good guys have great reviews as well, as they said, their name says it all lol.
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Wow dirtybiscuitzz, amazing thread man. You and I are on the exact same wavelength in terms of having eternal love for this sacred molecule and being fascinated with everything about it. :) History, effects, culture, everything. I could read stuff you post all day man. I just can't get enough when it comes to reading about LSD, heehee. ;D
Good vibes guys. :)
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Wow dirtybiscuitzz, amazing thread man. You and I are on the exact same wavelength in terms of having eternal love for this sacred molecule and being fascinated with everything about it. :) History, effects, culture, everything. I could read stuff you post all day man. I just can't get enough when it comes to reading about LSD, heehee. ;D
Good vibes guys. :) Now. That's. What I talking about! Love. That you can dig it robot.
When I. Get out of work and onto my comp. Ill get some interesting literature up here for all. To enjoy=)
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hello , new over here .... frm india yeah dunnno how to get these bitcoins as the service is not available here in india i guess !!! plz help me wanna score some blots plz ..!
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Hey souldcreeper, the L community is always willing to lend a hand my friend.
Now I don't know much of anything about india, there is lots of ways to purchase btc . The easiest I would say is bitinstant for cash deposits. Though you will read lots of mixed reviews on their company. I personaly use them, but i am not sure that this option is available to you.
Also if you've come to the understanding that there is no service like this available to you, then I would suggest you do some reading about SR btc vendors, such as Sugarmama. Goodluck!
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Awesome reply typtap! I respect every ones opinions on L, but my stance is more along typtaps point of view=0)
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I kind of agree with both typtap and Joey Terrifying. Once I discovered who I was on an LSD trip, I no longer felt the need to use LSD for spiritual purposes. But for creative and recreational use, LSD continued to retain tremendous value for me.
I personally think that LSD is better than DMT. I may be wrong, but I think DMT gets a lot of hype because it produces very powerful hallucinations, which people mistake for spiritual experiences. If I want to hallucinate, I'll take DMT, but if I want to see God, LSD would be my drug of choice, followed by mescaline.
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I kind of agree with both typtap and Joey Terrifying. Once I discovered who I was on an LSD trip, I no longer felt the need to use LSD for spiritual purposes. I am now able to get into the same state by disciplined meditation and concentration. But for creative and recreational use, LSD continued to retain tremendous value for me.
I personally think that LSD is better than DMT. DMT gets a lot of hype because it produces very powerful hallucinations, which people confuse with spiritual experiences. LSD and mushrooms are more of a psychedelic than a hallucinogen.
Well put psychedelia , I couldnt agree more.
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@dirtybiscuitzz718
You seem to know what's up. I have 2 100ug hits that I'm looking to try micro doses with.
If I put it in water to split int 4 micro doses, how much water should I use?
Don't worry I have 3 tabs left for a full on trip, but wanted to try the micro dose.
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@dirtybiscuitzz718
You seem to know what's up. I have 2 100ug hits that I'm looking to try micro doses with.
If I put it in water to split int 4 micro doses, how much water should I use?
Don't worry I have 3 tabs left for a full on trip, but wanted to try the micro dose.
Hey friend, I cant say Ive ever heard of some one 'micro' dosing any other way then simply cutting the tab into halfs, but I still wont have much insight to offer from that aspect. My 'micro' dose , is 1 hit.
If its liquid L you have and are looking to divide that, my best suggestion would be to absorb it onto a piece of blotter, let dry, then divide that as you wish. Do not mix it with water.
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Well got my first BTC today and went to get some WOW from TabMonster only to find that he had nothing listed anymore. After drying my tears I quickly went on yet another search for US domestic WOW. TheGoodGuys seem descent but are a little pricy. CousinFrank is Domestic but extremely new. Any comments would be appreciated. :)
Same here man. Placed my first order with him for some and it's still in 'processing' status. He hasn't responded to any messages or anything. I'm holding off for a minute in hopes it goes to sent. Not sure the etiquette around here on canceling orders or whether it would count as a refund against me. :s
Still hopeful...but I figure I'll give it until the end of the week.
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Well got my first BTC today and went to get some WOW from TabMonster only to find that he had nothing listed anymore. After drying my tears I quickly went on yet another search for US domestic WOW. TheGoodGuys seem descent but are a little pricy. CousinFrank is Domestic but extremely new. Any comments would be appreciated. :)
Same here man. Placed my first order with him for some and it's still in 'processing' status. He hasn't responded to any messages or anything. I'm holding off for a minute in hopes it goes to sent. Not sure the etiquette around here on canceling orders or whether it would count as a refund against me. :s
Still hopeful...but I figure I'll give it until the end of the week.
Hey dude, so who did you go with? CF or TGG?
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So here is some more literature from My Problem Child, by Hofman, for all that is interested=0)
"First Self-Experiment by a Psychiatrist
In his paper, W. A. Stoll also gave a detailed description of his own personal
experiment with LSD. Since this was the first self-experiment published by a psychiatrist,
and since it describes many characteristic features of LSD inebriation, it is interesting to
quote extensively from the report. I warmly thank the author for kind permission to
republish this extract.
At 8 o'clock I took 60 mcg (0.06 milligrams) of LSD. Some 20 minutes
later, the first symptoms appeared: heaviness in the limbs, slight atactic
(i.e., confused, uncoordinated) symptoms. A subjectively very unpleasant
phase of general malaise followed, in parallel with the drop in blood
pressure registered by the examiners.
A certain euphoria then set in, though it seemed weaker to me than
experiences in an earlier experiment. The ataxia increased, and I went
"sailing" around the room with large strides. I felt somewhat better, but
was glad to lie down.
Afterward the room was darkened (dark experiment); there followed an
unprecedented experience of unimaginable intensity that kept increasing in
strength. It w as characterized by an unbelievable profusion of optical
hallucinations that appeared and vanished with great speed, to make way
for countless new images. I saw a profusion of circles, vortices, sparks,
showers, crosses, and spirals in constant, racing flux."
-A. Hofman
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Hey dude, so who did you go with? CF or TGG?
Ordered Rainbow Family Crystal from Tabmonster just before he took the listings down. Status is still 'processing' and I'm just waiting and hoping.
I REALLY REALLY want to order from Frank, but he has too strict of a policy for noobs. I've been eying that 5x LSD post he has, but I can't order it because I only have two transactions..(will be 4 transactions when/if the two I have actually come through..ordered a few hits of 25c NBOME yesterday and waiting on that one too.)
So far, puzzle is the only one who has at least moved to 'shipped' status and I had to FE for being a noob, So my SR experience is stacked full of hope. :^/ :^(
He did put this on his userspace today, so still very hopeful:
11/29/2012 i got all most all my orders out! the remainder will go out shortly
!!! :)
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Hey dude, so who did you go with? CF or TGG?
Ordered Rainbow Family Crystal from Tabmonster just before he took the listings down. Status is still 'processing' and I'm just waiting and hoping.
I REALLY REALLY want to order from Frank, but he has too strict of a policy for noobs. I've been eying that 5x LSD post he has, but I can't order it because I only have two transactions..(will be 4 transactions when/if the two I have actually come through..ordered a few hits of 25c NBOME yesterday and waiting on that one too.)
So far, puzzle is the only one who has at least moved to 'shipped' status and I had to FE for being a noob, So my SR experience is stacked full of hope. :^/ :^(
He did put this on his userspace today, so still very hopeful:
11/29/2012 i got all most all my orders out! the remainder will go out shortly
!!! :)
Yea dude, youve got nothing to worry about with TabMonster, hes the real deal. Not to slander Cousin Frank in anyway, cause i will eventually give his L a taste as well, but TabMonster is def the better choice as far as prroduct goes, as of now anyway. His fluff is legit from what i understand, I should be getting a small order i placed with him in a day or two, ill keep you in the loop on how that works out once dropped, so you know what to expect =0)
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Hey dude, so who did you go with? CF or TGG?
Ordered Rainbow Family Crystal from Tabmonster just before he took the listings down. Status is still 'processing' and I'm just waiting and hoping.
I REALLY REALLY want to order from Frank, but he has too strict of a policy for noobs. I've been eying that 5x LSD post he has, but I can't order it because I only have two transactions..(will be 4 transactions when/if the two I have actually come through..ordered a few hits of 25c NBOME yesterday and waiting on that one too.)
So far, puzzle is the only one who has at least moved to 'shipped' status and I had to FE for being a noob, So my SR experience is stacked full of hope. :^/ :^(
He did put this on his userspace today, so still very hopeful:
11/29/2012 i got all most all my orders out! the remainder will go out shortly
!!! :)
Yea dude, youve got nothing to worry about with TabMonster, hes the real deal. Not to slander Cousin Frank in anyway, cause i will eventually give his L a taste as well, but TabMonster is def the better choice as far as prroduct goes, as of now anyway. His fluff is legit from what i understand, I should be getting a small order i placed with him in a day or two, ill keep you in the loop on how that works out once dropped, so you know what to expect =0)
Hi, I'll admit I'm an frequent forum lurker, and was honored to see my name mentioned, so thought I'd drop in and say hey :) I've tried to avoid pimping myself on the LSD thread, because my stock is rather limited and resupply will not be pursued. Just had some extra love laying around, and a desire to share.
photonsounds - My noob policy is just in place because I ship strictly first class no tracking, so am trying to protect myself, however you sound as if you're acclimating to the road quite nicely, so feel free to place an order for a 5 strip if you'd still like. I have actually been processing orders much quicker than my profile states too :)
dirtybiscuitzz718 - Thanks for the thread! LSD is your cousin frank's favorite tool ever - and no, you can't beat good old family fluff, it's what my headstash is full of ;) The stock I have is not new to the road, and I fully believe in honesty so if you have a bunch of time on your hands, you can read on it's (admittedly dated) history here
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=13845.0
Local, and initial sample reports seem positive, and I have a decent amount of love in transit so hopefully so reviews will trickle in soon.
All the best!
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Nice Cousin Frank! Good to see we have yet another legit trustworthy vendor on SR! Glad to have you man=0)
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In the recent past I purchased some of 3Janes 80ug L. This isn't a really a trip report, but it is important for me to share my story because of the impact LSD has had on my life in the last year.
Part 1: My background
I've Been taking various party drugs for the past 15 years. I started with MDMA on the weekends (1 or 2 pills) and slowly progressed to 30 pill binges and taking a mixture of other party favors along the road. Drugs were available to me at know cost and in unlimited amounts. Included in this list is GHB, Ketamine, Weed, and Cocaine. I can admit that due to the extremity of my abuse on these drugs I went into a depression that I hid from all of my loved ones.
Part 2: The encounter with "The Wizard"
I work a blue collar job and had the pleasure of meeting someone that for the sake of my story I will call The Wizard. Wiz was a international philosophy honors student who came from a wealthy family. His father had told that there are good people in Canada. Find them and make them even better. In the months to pass I got to know him quite well. He knew my background and some of the habits I have and had. At this time my drug use was harnessed because I had recently became a father. But the depression was still kicking around. A couple times a month I'd grab a hand full of pills, or a ball of K or Coke and have a night out. Nothing out of hand but it seemed to be a good crutch to mask my feelings of self worthlessness.
Part 3: My introduction to LSD.
At times, The Wiz and I would enjoy a night with some of the above mentioned drugs. One night we were talking and LSD came up. He asked if I have ever tried it and I said no. He got to talking about how his old man believed the LSD could play a legitimate role in making the world a better place. He mentioned that if it was handled in a more responsible manner and not thrown to the masses by the Leary`s of the world, it would probably be used legally today. He mentioned how Steve Jobs had listed it to be one of the more profound things he had done in his lifetime. This sparked my interest but by then end of the night it had passed. I woke up in the next morning and LSD was the furthest thing form my mind.
Part 4: `Don`t find L, it finds you.
A couple of weeks had passed, and I ran in to a good friend I hadn`t seen in a few months. This guy always has the best quality weed. He invited me by his home to have a puff and I accepted. Note: This guy has never met the Wiz before. We get to talking and he asked if I was interested in buying some LSD. I chuckled and told him why not! Grabbed 25 and went on my way.
Part 5: The breakthrough
Talked to The Wiz and told him what I had. He told me to eat 1 so I did. Had a good time, strong visuals, some interesting thoughts, nothing profound. I gave some to the wiz had 8 left for myself. A couple week later I had a few days of work so I decided to take 2 this time. Things were more beep, got a deep sense of feeling of love for everything and everyone in my life. Called The Wiz, talked seem deep shit with him and he told me to take the other 6, so I did (I would not advise on other rookies doing this.) This is when I went through ego loss, I must have died and been reborn 3 or 4 times. Things were well after this I was really humbled in my life. Felt rejuevinated. Only one problem, I couldn`t sleep. 4 or 5 days went by, still no sleep. Thats when things got a littles nuts. My sister came over. She`s a straight edged corporate villan. :o I explained to her what she was doing to people. Gave her the whole people before process spiel and it really pissed her off. Before you know it, my fathers there and they`re trippin on me. I squared up with them and told them that I ate some LSD and I wasn`t sleeping well. Before you know it, the Police and paramedics are at my door. They asked if I was high, I said not any more. They said I had to come with them. I said OK, then they puled out this huge ass syringe. I said fuck that, threw the paramedic to the ground when he tried to poke me. That`s when the handcuffed and injected me. I woke up in a room with no doorknob. FUCK ME!!!!
Part 6: Unit xx
Psychiatrist came in to talk to me and ask if I knew why I was here. She told me that I was dillusional. She said that I wanted to sacrifice myself. I told my sister I would sacrifice myself be going to the hospital. She also said that I thought my baby could make a difference in the world. What kind of father would I be if I didn`t have hopes like that? Anyways... irrelevant to the outcome of the story but that moment pissed me right off!
My wife told me that they had me hooked up to machines when I was asleep and they were running tests on my brain because they hadn't had an LSD case in over a decade. When they were ready to release me a few days later, the doctors told me that I was on the verge of going nuts and that if I ever touched LSD again, I would end up pemanently brain damaged for the rest of my life. He said my brain will be n a very delicate state for as long as I live.
At this point, I am really confused, because I feel like new man.
Part 7: 8 Months of Terror... Then to the present.
In the last 8 months I've had no desire to self medicate although have been enjoying the occasional evening of recreational night of drugs in total moderation. No depression. This is clearly from the breakthrough I had on LSD. But I had a new problem. I was told that there is something wrong with my brain. I did some research and said that underlying mental problem can come out when some people take LSD. Well I must be one of those people then. That must be what the doctor's were saying. Why has my quality of life seemed to have improved then? This racked my mind for months. And the lord behold, LSD found me again.
Part 8: Returning the favor though 3Jane
The guy that sold me the LSD called me and asked if I could find him some Lucy. I told him I have a way to get some but it will take a week or so. He didn't mind s I jumped on the road, and the timing was good for me to grip 25 of 3Janes's Mayan's. A week later they arrived. He wanted 10 so I had 15 left in my possession.
Part 9: Fuck the Docs or Permenantly fuck my brain.
Well the title says it all. Either my feeling are legit or the doctors are right and I'm gonna go off the deep end. I talk to my wife about this. Now my wifey is a very spiritual colombian woman with a history of mystical wisdom if you will that goes back generations. Really deep and interesting stuff anyways. She told me to do it and not to sweat it. Just don't go buck wild.
Part 10: I'm right they're wrong.
I buckle up and take 2 tabs. An hour in I feel nervous but good. Feeling get stronger my mind is racing. For a brief moment I feel my mind slipping away but my girlfriend is there to guide me along the way. For a person who does not touch psychedelics she sure knew what I was thinking and handled me like a champ. It wasn't long before I was crying. This entire period, I have been questioning my mental stability and it's just fine. Last year I went through a big change in my life thanks to LSD. These cookie cutter generic stereotypical doctors do not understand the great qualities LSD holds. In the last few weeks I have taken LSD 1 more time (3 @ 80ug) and had a blissfull time with no mental uncertainty. I think I am living proof that LSD is a real game changer.
LSD is like anything else, if you respect it, it can do wonders. The Wizard new what he was doing. I would have eventually fallen asleep and could have avoided the hospital incident completely. He got me to take a 1200ug dose of LSD and it changed me just as he expected. He regretted not babysitting me through the experience, but I would change any of it at all. The last thing he said to me before he left was... WELCOME TO THE 0.01%.
Anyways.. Boring to read or all over the place? Who knows? I want to share it with other believers and to thank 3Jane for the clean product.
Peace and Love,
Paisita
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Oh boy! I'm thinking it its possible I may have posted in the wrong place again? Lost in the forum.. Who would have thought?
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Oh boy! I'm thinking it its possible I may have posted in the wrong place again? Lost in the forum.. Who would have thought?
No my friend, this is a goo place to post your incredible expirience, also in the Avengers thread=0)
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i don't really want to do it anymore because i like my current personality and don't want acid to shatter it.
I love my current personality and, at this point, feel like I more exemplify the traits I like when on psychedelics in general.
but then i got to the point where my normal daily mindset would probably be experienced as "tripping" by a square person.
Heheh I love being there.
i view acid as the "cure" for western society. it breaks you out of the box we're born into here. but, for me, after that had been completed there was nothing left for me. psilocybin, for example, seems to be a separate entity/deity which can impart foreign information unto me. never really got that feeling from acid.
What quality gives you that impression of psilocybin but not LSD? Really curious, because while I can easily recognize the difference in approaches of the two chemicals they feel equally like separate entities to me, neither capable of imparting foreign information but both capable of making me see, anew or for the first time, information hidden within myself.
i definitely recommend it to people who have yet to become satisfied by it. but i think it was Alan Watts who said, "once you get the message, hang up the phone."
To each their own, but I'll never understand anyone who says "Yeah, I've already learned all I can from acid, I don't need to take it anymore there's no reason to." All I hear instead is "Yeah, I've already stopped looking for answers with acid, they're getting to obscure and not popping at my face anymore." I've heard people say they've gotten everything out of acid that they can while my other friend has taken five times as much over his life, learned a lot every time, and still feels there's more to learn.
Now, me, right now I'm in a position where I feel that it will be more difficult for me to learn anything on any lower level psychedelic experience until I've broken through on DMT (still waiting for my first). I certainly don't feel I'm anywhere near done, though, and I'm still learning from my last acid trip some 8 to 11 months ago as I've taken 25i and had it deliver me key insights into understanding the insights I got on acid.
I really like reading your posts. Sometimes i feel like u are addressing questions im thinking about. I am also looking forward to my first breakthrough, then plan on an acid trip for better understanding. Set to happen in the next few weeks, definately before 21st december ;) Or would you experienced guys suggest smoking dmt first time on my acid comedown?
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Hey dude, hope you have a mind blowing experience to begin the new year, be sure to keep us all posted on how it goes
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O.k. Just got my first SR orders. Two tabs LSD from cousin frank and two tabs WOW(Lsd) from the good guys. Both orders came on same day. This will be far from my first experience with LSD however I haven't taken it in several years. I am a 2nd year college student and have just been taking care of that lately. I am at the point now where I feel like I could really benefit from bringing Psychedelics back into my life. So tonight I will be dosing cousin franks tabs and updating tomorrow. Until then.
In response to Shiva moon: My opinion is that for your first time you should use each Psychedelic separately. Maybe with several days in-between. Hopefully by doing this you will be able to understand and appreciate the different qualities and benefits of each separate substance. After that you will have the understanding that will allow you to make the decision for yourself. Hope this helps. :)
Also, I would just like to state that there are many informative books and research articles on psychedelics out there. It helps to understand these amazing gifts.
Thanks to my cousin frank for the quick delivery and beneficial messages!
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@dirtybiscuitzz718
Yeah I guess I'll just cut em up and try it like that. The article I read said they put it in water and dosed from that, but whatever. The goal of the experiment is to see if a low dose can act as a nootropic. I wanted to try coding a website while on a small amount and see if I can work on it. If I take a whole tab, I don't give a fuck about a computer/website for the next 8hrs.
That comes after the micro-dose experiment.
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Yea dude, youve got nothing to worry about with TabMonster, hes the real deal. Not to slander Cousin Frank in anyway, cause i will eventually give his L a taste as well, but TabMonster is def the better choice as far as prroduct goes, as of now anyway. His fluff is legit from what i understand, I should be getting a small order i placed with him in a day or two, ill keep you in the loop on how that works out once dropped, so you know what to expect =0)
I'm fortunate because TabMonster re-posted an ad for some 175ug LSD and on his page said he cancelled his other orders because of the newer, stronger batch he got in. Placed another order and now I'm very stoked! It's the same price as the 125ug's he had posted! It might just be a vibrant holiday season after all!
Hi, I'll admit I'm an frequent forum lurker, and was honored to see my name mentioned, so thought I'd drop in and say hey :) I've tried to avoid pimping myself on the LSD thread, because my stock is rather limited and resupply will not be pursued. Just had some extra love laying around, and a desire to share.
photonsounds - My noob policy is just in place because I ship strictly first class no tracking, so am trying to protect myself, however you sound as if you're acclimating to the road quite nicely, so feel free to place an order for a 5 strip if you'd still like. I have actually been processing orders much quicker than my profile states too :)
Aww man, I didn't see this post until now :( I saw that you posted yesterday but I was nearly and literally blacked out on an MDMA peak. If you have any around in the future, I will order! I became a fan on the Market just in case. Thanks for your service!
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Yup , i seen TM post about the czech xtal as well, sounds very interesting. Good luck!
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For any one that missed it in the Avengers thread. My over view of JerseyCows (now officially an OK vendor) avatar tab.
Soo, JerseyCows sample tab arrived yesterday.
First things first, the stealth was fairly good. Not to compare to Jane or some others, but never the less, very proffesional , simple, and discrete. The tabs arrived about 5 days for so after having beens sent out.
Now before I begin the review ill have every one note, that i had been on a 1/2 of a roxy.. about 15mg of oxycodone, before a hour or two before dropping the tab.
About 7pm , drop the tab, just as i was finishing up cooking dinner for the wife and a buddy. 8pm, we all took a ride to smoke some pot by the intercoastal waterway. around this time i began to get the first tingles up and down my body, at about the 3 hours mark is when it began to take hold, by this time we where on the roof level of a large, completely desolate , parking garage, over looking the city.
Enter; all the wonderful effects of a clean well dosed tab of L. The clouds began to dance, and all the street lights began to glimmer, eventualy turning into a entire village of tiki torches. Every 15-20 min or so, I would get what i like to call, 'The Haze"..when I feel as if huuge gusts of thick fog begin to swoop down and fill all the air above and around me. Looking up into the partially clear sky I begin to get beautiful kolidascopic patterns, swirling all through out my view of the sky.
The wife begins to get cold, we head back to the house. she eventually ends up throwing my buddy out because he dropped a tab of Redhempfields 25c blotters, and began to bug her out LOL. So the rest of the night was enjoyed with her and I laying in bed, having mind blasting sex, (notice i say mind blassting, not mind blowing, anything can blow your mind) and eating fresh cut pineapples and straw berrys, which was an experience all in it self , as it always is. There was hardly any body load, and that which I slightly felt, like some very faint nausia at times, was most probably due to the Oxy.
At about 10pm, is when the intense visuals began, amazing fractals , wild vivid colors and swirling patterns everywhere i looked. I cant say I had any particular state of mind that i would deem notable, mainly because the entire time i was more focused on how good i felt, so warm and fuzzy.. in a sense it was kind of a dopey trip because of pairing with the Oxy, never the less i felt like 1,000,000 bucks! Not much ego loss at all through out the trip, some brief moments of zoning out, but no ego death. My system was totally clean, i hadn't dosed in about 4 weeks, but it usually takes about 300ug or better , paired with huge blunts of marijuana to get me to that point, so this is not a down point.
The night came to an end, for the most part at around 12midnight , when for some reason i became incredibly lethargic, so we fell asleep, which was in no way a trouble of any sort. I had wonderful, vivid trip dreams, half awake half unconscious . I woke around 4am, I think because I was no longer stoned anymore, so I got up, packed a bowl and dropped in the forums for some quick reading whilst hitting the bong. so this is now 9hours after dropping the tab, and i realize im still having light visuals and a nice little head trip going on. The wife moans, I get back in bed and sleep wonderfully through out the rest of the morning. These tabs where most def as advertised at about 150mics, Now that could be a little less. but with out a doubt in my mind over 120ug for sure.
I give this L a solid 8.5/10.
Keep in mind folks, this is all just my honest opinion. Every ones thoughts and experiences will vary. Hope this report will suffice. Have a great Monday every one=0)
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Never having used acid (I've had a week non-visual experience on truffles once but that's it) I got 10 tabs of alleged 150 microgram LSD off a vendor here, assuming based on the seller's proclamation that 1 tab = 1 trip that it would last me a while, but I took 1 and nothing happened, then I took 2 (from the opposite side of the strip fwiw) and exactly the same nothing happened again (I should specify that "nothing" means I had an experience similar to a weed brownie but weaker in many respects and not that it was total bunk), and so quite annoyed I decided to share a single tab with a friend who has never used any drugs, and she got blasted into a different plane of existence. She was non-verbal for 2 hours, giggling for a long time with her eyes closed and once tears streamed down her face as she giggled, and when she finally spoke she started rambling about how we were on a river and I had been talking to some fishes who were very interested in what I had to say, and how her body was made up of different parts which all responded to my voice individually. Sitting with her was way more of a trip than my 2 tabs had been!!
So I now have to assume that I have some kind of partial immunity to LSD or something rather than the acid being weak, which sucks for me because it will at least triple the price of admission in the future, but I also have to wonder what the reason would be that a person would fail to trip like that...
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Never having used acid (I've had a week non-visual experience on truffles once but that's it) I got 10 tabs of alleged 150 microgram LSD off a vendor here, assuming based on the seller's proclamation that 1 tab = 1 trip that it would last me a while, but I took 1 and nothing happened, then I took 2 (from the opposite side of the strip fwiw) and exactly the same nothing happened again (I should specify that "nothing" means I had an experience similar to a weed brownie but weaker in many respects and not that it was total bunk), and so quite annoyed I decided to share a single tab with a friend who has never used any drugs, and she got blasted into a different plane of existence. She was non-verbal for 2 hours, giggling for a long time with her eyes closed and once tears streamed down her face as she giggled, and when she finally spoke she started rambling about how we were on a river and I had been talking to some fishes who were very interested in what I had to say, and how her body was made up of different parts which all responded to my voice individually. Sitting with her was way more of a trip than my 2 tabs had been!!
So I now have to assume that I have some kind of partial immunity to LSD or something rather than the acid being weak, which sucks for me because it will at least triple the price of admission in the future, but I also have to wonder what the reason would be that a person would fail to trip like that...
Ok well , I have a few ideas as to what happend there. 1) its said that no one really trips like they are supposed to their first time dropping L. Myself included, i droped a sugar cube dosed with like 200ug of cali fluff, and it was very mild. Also if you work your self up into expecting some thing particular or much different from what L actually does you will almost keep yourself convinced that you are not tripping.
2) I suppose there is a slight possibility that these tabs you had where either, a) much weaker than described, along side being laid incorrectly... or b) not L at all and undredictable nBOMES.
Wish I could be of further help =0/
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Never having used acid (I've had a week non-visual experience on truffles once but that's it) I got 10 tabs of alleged 150 microgram LSD off a vendor here, assuming based on the seller's proclamation that 1 tab = 1 trip that it would last me a while, but I took 1 and nothing happened, then I took 2 (from the opposite side of the strip fwiw) and exactly the same nothing happened again (I should specify that "nothing" means I had an experience similar to a weed brownie but weaker in many respects and not that it was total bunk), and so quite annoyed I decided to share a single tab with a friend who has never used any drugs, and she got blasted into a different plane of existence. She was non-verbal for 2 hours, giggling for a long time with her eyes closed and once tears streamed down her face as she giggled, and when she finally spoke she started rambling about how we were on a river and I had been talking to some fishes who were very interested in what I had to say, and how her body was made up of different parts which all responded to my voice individually. Sitting with her was way more of a trip than my 2 tabs had been!!
So I now have to assume that I have some kind of partial immunity to LSD or something rather than the acid being weak, which sucks for me because it will at least triple the price of admission in the future, but I also have to wonder what the reason would be that a person would fail to trip like that...
some people have high thresholds of resistance to LSD. if that's the case, increase the dosage. you can take another blotter within the first 2 hours. if you are on an antidepressants, antipsychotic, or have taken other psychedelics this can block the effects of LSD. there are also differences in the quality and potency of the acid that is offered by various vendors... if all else fails, try smoking some weed with the acid. this can amplify the effects
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^^ Well put.
@anothergirl, who tabs/ vendor was this all from?
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i personally love lucy. a lot more fun than shrooms bc i feel like i'm more in control. the problem for me is dosage. i know i'm usually getting ~100 mics but the difference between a 90 or a 125 mic dosage when you're doing 5 hits is intense lol
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some people have high thresholds of resistance to LSD. if that's the case, increase the dosage. you can take another blotter within the first 2 hours. if you are on an antidepressants, antipsychotic, or have taken other psychedelics this can block the effects of LSD. there are also differences in the quality and potency of the acid that is offered by various vendors... if all else fails, try smoking some weed with the acid. this can amplify the effects
I had read that you build a tolerance almost instantly so it would be a waste to re-dose like that, so I didn't bother. I was also paranoid about re-opening the package and exposing it to more moisture.
If only I had access to weed to smoke with the acid! Apparently it's 60 bucks a gram here IF you know who to talk to, which I don't. I need to get a fake marriage or something in a cool country before I fritter any more of my life away here.
^^ Well put.
@anothergirl, who tabs/ vendor was this all from?
I wouldn't want to sound like I was claiming that the acid is weaker than advertised, but due to that obviously not being the case due to my friend's reaction as well as my lack of anything to compare it to, I guess I can share that it was from Flying Dutchman. I was afraid of being ripped off being a new buyer, and FD had good reviews and I was going to be in Holland for a week (contrary to common wisdom, I felt much safer smuggling it back home than getting it mailed to my home country where they don't bother with LLs but presume you guilty and arrest you if they find it). The blotters that arrived were the Rolling Stones ones.
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@ anothergirl, Yea theres lots of other vendors you can go to and be spot on about what your getting, Not to bad mouth Fd but his reviews have always seemed to be inconsistent.
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some people have high thresholds of resistance to LSD. if that's the case, increase the dosage. you can take another blotter within the first 2 hours. if you are on an antidepressants, antipsychotic, or have taken other psychedelics this can block the effects of LSD. there are also differences in the quality and potency of the acid that is offered by various vendors... if all else fails, try smoking some weed with the acid. this can amplify the effects
I had read that you build a tolerance almost instantly so it would be a waste to re-dose like that, so I didn't bother. I was also paranoid about re-opening the package and exposing it to more moisture.
If only I had access to weed to smoke with the acid! Apparently it's 60 bucks a gram here IF you know who to talk to, which I don't. I need to get a fake marriage or something in a cool country before I fritter any more of my life away here.
^^ Well put.
@anothergirl, who tabs/ vendor was this all from?
I wouldn't want to sound like I was claiming that the acid is weaker than advertised, but due to that obviously not being the case due to my friend's reaction as well as my lack of anything to compare it to, I guess I can share that it was from Flying Dutchman. I was afraid of being ripped off being a new buyer, and FD had good reviews and I was going to be in Holland for a week (contrary to common wisdom, I felt much safer smuggling it back home than getting it mailed to my home country where they don't bother with LLs but presume you guilty and arrest you if they find it). The blotters that arrived were the Rolling Stones ones.
i suggest getting acid from one of the 'star vendors' :
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=45270.0
i usually get mine from vitacat and 3jane. maybe you need Vitacat's 250ug mayan blotters.
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i suggest getting acid from one of the 'star vendors' :
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=45270.0
i usually get mine from vitacat and 3jane. maybe you need Vitacat's 250ug mayan blotters.
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Thanks, but first I'd need a vendor who sells a pill to give me the guts to have something delivered!
No matter how slight the chance, the fear of spending a decade of my life locked in a regimented hell and losing all of what little progress I've managed to accomplish in life would drive me insane from the moment I clicked until the envelope arrived.
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Well got my first BTC today and went to get some WOW from TabMonster only to find that he had nothing listed anymore. After drying my tears I quickly went on yet another search for US domestic WOW. TheGoodGuys seem descent but are a little pricy. CousinFrank is Domestic but extremely new. Any comments would be appreciated. :)
Same here man. Placed my first order with him for some and it's still in 'processing' status. He hasn't responded to any messages or anything. I'm holding off for a minute in hopes it goes to sent. Not sure the etiquette around here on canceling orders or whether it would count as a refund against me. :s
Still hopeful...but I figure I'll give it until the end of the week.
i like tabmonster as well. shipping isn't as good as good guys but i feel like the lsd is stronger and better. i'll still order from good guys any day though since i get my stuff on time and its still clean acid
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Oh my fuck...
After 2 failed trips, 4 tabs did me.
Once I came up, I experienced the most intense euphoria of my life.
I was watching Fear and Loathing while I waited, and then when the visuals (which were just "pulsing textures" and "uncountable constantly changing and moving grains" type things in the walls) kicked in I felt this release that I'd finally got what I'd been waiting for, and I just burst into manic laughter that wouldn't stop for 3 whole hours. I have never, ever laughed so hard or for so long alone or with anyone in my life. Pausing the movie to go urinate every 5 minutes (by far the most annoying aspect, as by the end of the day my pockets were full of candies from a dozen convenience stores because I just could not walk 50 yards without needing to use a bathroom) and seeing how the visuals had changed slightly each time, and stopping to stare at shit and talk to myself about how, maybe colors originally used to be this bright and nobody ever had to go to piss ever, but the fall of man had robbed us of it and the LSD allowed me to glimpse Eden and turned my dingy bleak winter kitchen into a bright fruity jungle of red kettles and green coffee cans and orange... oranges, and this bleary cycle of bliss just whisked that time right out from under my nose and the next thing I knew it was 3 hours later and I was thinking fuck it--I'm going outside. A few times it got intense but I never approached a bad trip. In fact save for when I stared at a person's face too long and tempted their eyes to blend together and recoiled in horror when they did, it would be hard for me to even imagine what a bad trip would be like.
Anyway, since 10 tabs (which I had expected to last me at least 5 trips) minus 1, minus 2, minus 1 more to test on a friend, and then minus 4 only leaves me with 2, which I know won't do it for me, I am officially in a long distance relationship with LSD--head over heels in love until I can get my hands on more.
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I'm glad it finally worked for you. :) I'd give you karma if I had any.
The hyper-aware euphoria of LSD is the best euphoria I've experienced on any drug.
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Oh my fuck...
After 2 failed trips, 4 tabs did me.
Once I came up, I experienced the most intense euphoria of my life.
I was watching Fear and Loathing while I waited, and then when the visuals (which were just "pulsing textures" and "uncountable constantly changing and moving grains" type things in the walls) kicked in I felt this release that I'd finally got what I'd been waiting for, and I just burst into manic laughter that wouldn't stop for 3 whole hours. I have never, ever laughed so hard or for so long alone or with anyone in my life. Pausing the movie to go urinate every 5 minutes (by far the most annoying aspect, as by the end of the day my pockets were full of candies from a dozen convenience stores because I just could not walk 50 yards without needing to use a bathroom) and seeing how the visuals had changed slightly each time, and stopping to stare at shit and talk to myself about how, maybe colors originally used to be this bright and nobody ever had to go to piss ever, but the fall of man had robbed us of it and the LSD allowed me to glimpse Eden and turned my dingy bleak winter kitchen into a bright fruity jungle of red kettles and green coffee cans and orange... oranges, and this bleary cycle of bliss just whisked that time right out from under my nose and the next thing I knew it was 3 hours later and I was thinking fuck it--I'm going outside. A few times it got intense but I never approached a bad trip. In fact save for when I stared at a person's face too long and tempted their eyes to blend together and recoiled in horror when they did, it would be hard for me to even imagine what a bad trip would be like.
Anyway, since 10 tabs (which I had expected to last me at least 5 trips) minus 1, minus 2, minus 1 more to test on a friend, and then minus 4 only leaves me with 2, which I know won't do it for me, I am officially in a long distance relationship with LSD--head over heels in love until I can get my hands on more.
+1 Anothergirl! Thats what the fuckk im talking about! LOL im very happy for you. youve finally met my stary eyes Lady Lucy=0)
On the bright side, now thats youve had your first actual trip, if you wait about 15-30 days and totally detox, then drop those 2 hits you have , i can almost promise that you will have a notable , laughter filled, wonderful trip. Good luck =0)
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+1 anothergirl, congrats on your first trip :) DB, so, i took some last friday, and i plan on taking on the 28th and 29th, both nights. you think i would be able to take 2 lotus the 28th, and then take 3 lotus the 29th? or should i take more lotus the second night?
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Hey anon, I think typtaps thoughts are a step in. The ight direction, when I dose consecutively I find that. More than doubling up on tas almost barely has me buzzing, prob the only down side of L is the rediculously fast tolerance buld up. Id drop as many as you can afford to the second day, imo anayway. Happy tripping my friend=0)
Ps. Excuse. My poor grammer and punctuation, I am on my POS mobile phone
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Here's a fun fact I learned about LSD today. LSD is not just a man-made chemical. Toxoplasmosis (a parasitic disease) triggers the production of LSD in the brains of some organisms.
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Here's a fun fact I learned about LSD today. LSD is not just a man-made chemical. Toxoplasmosis (a parasitic disease) triggers the production of LSD in the brains of some organisms.
I don't think so.Toxoplasmosis is a very bad disease and cause very serious brain damage alike meningitis and encephalopathy.Actually it's some kind of encephalopathy.I've tried to treat one of my cats due to toxoplasmosis but we failed after a month.It's so fucking hurtful disease,there were seizures and epileptic symptoms.Poor kitty was going to somewhere in every seizure and was speaking so weird with looking to far with empty eyes while it's over.And there were terrible contractions,I cannot imagine something worst than that.He could brake his own vertebrae for this contractions and cramps while turning like a spintop on and on for hours untill there's no more energy to spin.Actually I don't want to remember it,it was the most terrible thing I've ever seen.
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Here's a fun fact I learned about LSD today. LSD is not just a man-made chemical. Toxoplasmosis (a parasitic disease) triggers the production of LSD in the brains of some organisms.
I don't think so.Toxoplasmosis is a very bad disease and cause very serious brain damage alike meningitis and encephalopathy.Actually it's some kind of encephalopathy.I've tried to treat one of my cats due to toxoplasmosis but we failed after a month.It's so fucking hurtful disease,there were seizures and epileptic symptoms.Poor kitty was going to somewhere in every seizure and was speaking so weird with looking to far with empty eyes while it's over.And there were terrible contractions,I cannot imagine something worst than that.He could brake his own vertebrae for this contractions and cramps while turning like a spintop on and on for hours untill there's no more energy to spin.Actually I don't want to remember it,it was the most terrible thing I've ever seen.
Wow bro, that sounds terrible . I am sorry for your loss.
@acidhead, where did you get this information?
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Wow bro, that sounds terrible . I am sorry for your loss.
@acidhead, where did you get this information?
Thank you,yes it was terrible.By the way I hope you received your pack from Nevita,but Nevita is one of the most dependable vendors for me and her stealth is definitely best.I'm also waiting a pack from her and I want to try her LSD when it's available.
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dirtybiscuitzz718,
From Grof's "LSD: Doorway to the Numinous".
tintor,
Sorry to hear about your cat.
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Wow bro, that sounds terrible . I am sorry for your loss.
@acidhead, where did you get this information?
Thank you,yes it was terrible.By the way I hope you received your pack from Nevita,but Nevita is one of the most dependable vendors for me and her stealth is definitely best.I'm also waiting a pack from her and I want to try her LSD when it's available.
Yes so ive heard, though i have not received my stuff yet, i released the funds anyway as a show of good faith, Nevita assured me the package would arrive
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dirtybiscuitzz718,
From Grof's "LSD: Doorway to the Numinous".
tintor,
Sorry to hear about your cat.
Ill have to read that.
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Hey GREAT thread!!! Lots of positivity to you dirtybiscuitzz.
Sorry if this is me repeating somebody else (i havent read this whole thread.... yet) but I read Grof's "The Cosmic Game" and it articulated so many of the notions that had been floating around in my head regarding my LSD experiences. I highly recommend it.
Love to everybody! Good luck on your purchases! If you anybody needs help, you've got a friend ;)
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@AvengerSpokesperson, Thanks a lot dude, its good to have your support here. As ive said in your thread before, you do the L community a world of wonders with the services and system the Avengers have created. Much love =0)
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Wow bro, that sounds terrible . I am sorry for your loss.
@acidhead, where did you get this information?
Thank you,yes it was terrible.By the way I hope you received your pack from Nevita,but Nevita is one of the most dependable vendors for me and her stealth is definitely best.I'm also waiting a pack from her and I want to try her LSD when it's available.
Hey tintor, I received my 25 block from Nevita this morning! They look fucking legit, the stealth was def very good, but not perfect, ive yet to see any one surpass 3Janes stealth packing.
Im sure they will be awesome.
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For those who missed it on the avengers thread...
Hello every one, I received my 5 strip of TabMonsters 'Owsley' tabs, the Sumos. TM confirmed that they where resales of ETMs Sumos at a discounted price, because they where infact not 200+ mics, but rather more like 125ug. I can attest to them being very clean and certainly 100+ mics.
Two friends and I droped one each, then measured up the last two (which perfectly enough, where not perfd for some reason) into 3 equal parts. They where absolutely tasteless. We dosed an hour before going into a plantarium laser light show of the Beatles, Pink Floyd & Zeppelin.
The come up was clean and slow, slow for me anyway, my buddys seemed to be 'there' about 20 min before I was. By the time I entered full trip mode, the show became far to intense for us, we decided to hit a world renowned beach, where we ultimatly stayed until sun up. Laughing all night, mostly at the one friend that it was his second L trip and first actual one. The shit this guy was saying had me pissing. Everything that was said or done or happend, in his dosed mind, where all some how related and inter twined with one another. He believed that the police that rode over on their ATVs and told us the beach was closed because of how many ships there where on the water that night, LOL. The visuals where not all that, and over all it wasnt very intense , but I think its because I droppd a JerseyCow tab only a week ago.
Over all the tabs where worth the price and as always super fast to arrive. I also recently received another 5 strip from TM of the czech-25 xtal, that seem to be getting mixed reviews. Ill be dropping those in a few days & give my 2cents on that as well. Much love every one!
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So when you get a sheet to last you a long time, would you usually break it up into smaller strips to prevent frequent exposure to air for the rest?
I'm thinking about getting a little air-tight mason jar and a lot of little ziplock baggies, then making 20 5-strips, then putting these in the jar and filling the jar with maybe white rice as a desiccant. Maybe leave it in an unheated room wrapped in dark cloth for the winter and then transferring to the freezer when it starts to warm up. I can keep 1 5-strip in a book at all times for whenever I want to dose and the rest will stay unexposed.
Is there a much better way to do this?
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So when you get a sheet to last you a long time, would you usually break it up into smaller strips to prevent frequent exposure to air for the rest?
I'm thinking about getting a little air-tight mason jar and a lot of little ziplock baggies, then making 20 5-strips, then putting these in the jar and filling the jar with maybe white rice as a desiccant. Maybe leave it in an unheated room wrapped in dark cloth for the winter and then transferring to the freezer when it starts to warm up. I can keep 1 5-strip in a book at all times for whenever I want to dose and the rest will stay unexposed.
Is there a much better way to do this?
Hey anothergirl, I suggest just slapping tabs in the middle of a heavy hard cover book, it will be good there for years to come.. I use a book as well, only i made little wax paper pockets and taped them in the center of the book. My supply never lasts longer than a few weeks, so i wouldnt be able to cmment on seperating the tabs to protect the others.
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GoodGuys communication was great. I was worried about getting my coins in time and PM'd him regarding availability. He immediately PM'd me saying he was running low but he would have more soon. That really helped me sleep that night. Packaging was very protective.
What's the safest thing to use when drawing a grid on unperfed strips? Pencil? Concerned about acid reacting to the lead. Ink safer? Anybody have info on this?
I won't be able to try any for awhile. I'm very confident that they're great but just as a reference to guide me as to how many hits to take, can anyone tell me the dosage compared to 3jane's (more specifically her batch from last winter/spring). I'm asking because that's what I've had the strongest dose of.
I'd also like to compare 3janes with envious last batch because I bought some of his too.
And TabMonster's rainbow family. I might get some of that too if he gets more.
I'm sure they will all be great. I'm just trying to guage my many hits I need.
I don't like wasting 1 or 2 hits just to sample. Besides that can be a misleading way to gauge it
Many thanks
Many thanks
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What's the safest thing to use when drawing a grid on unperfed strips? Pencil? Concerned about acid reacting to the lead. Ink safer? Anybody have info on this?
Leads hasn't been used in pencils for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Graphite won't react with it.
I think people lose some sense when it comes to LSD. It won't float away if you so much as look at it.
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I had a sample tab of the alex grey and I would rate it @150ug +-
It felt like nice clean L and had a typical come up for me, good body energy and a great mood lift with visual enhancement I would expect from this dose!
Around +1.30 I remember stopping to look at a lovely bit of beech paneling and really appreciating the grain of the wood and the life of the tree that produced it, Christmas lights were also quite pretty!
I held off until +2.30 so I could gauge the dosage / feel of the tab as accurately as possible but then I topped up with 2 drops of liquid sold as 150ug but closer to 125ug IMHO!
After this I lay down for a while and listened to some music enjoying an assortment of lights and some deep introspective thought with good oev's + cev's, there was some softening of the ego but no complete loss.
It's hard to say how long I lay there for as before I start tripping hard I always turn clocks to face the wall, the idea of being governed by any time other than natural time dose disturb me whilst tripping hard!
As dawn broke I went out for a walk it was a crisp frosty morning but I saw much beauty in the world around me and felt a strong afterglow throughout the day!
My liquid is almost gone now but there is the rose crystal about (£13,000 / G at this source) so the liquid will surely be there as well ;D
Peace and love to the world and that I mean with all my heart :-*
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Thats awesome eleusis, +1 dude =)
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hey guys, first post in this thread, just wanted to ask something :P
With 10 tabs arriving, from LucyDrop(which will be my first time doing LSD), I was wondering, what should I stock up on or do you have any suggestions on what I should do/eat/drink or what I shouldn't do?
Asking because, when you do shrooms they tell you not to eat like 6 hrs before taking them in and eat/drink lots of vitamin C... I was wondering if LSD had any of those?:P
This thread is oh so wonderful,
All the very best to all of you!
~~sitamaja
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hey guys, first post in this thread, just wanted to ask something :P
With 10 tabs arriving, from LucyDrop(which will be my first time doing LSD), I was wondering, what should I stock up on or do you have any suggestions on what I should do/eat/drink or what I shouldn't do?
Asking because, when you do shrooms they tell you not to eat like 6 hrs before taking them in and eat/drink lots of vitamin C... I was wondering if LSD had any of those?:P
This thread is oh so wonderful,
All the very best to all of you!
~~sitamaja
Hey dude, more than glad to help out. The L is not like the Mushys that often get lots of people sick, though its not totally un common for one to feel some nausia and stomach discomfort when on the L come up. Its far less intense than any mushy sickness. Try to keep your pre trip diet light, avoiding anything greasy and bad for you. the vitamin C on mushys is to hasten the conversion of psilocyben to psilobin, thus making you trip balls almost immediately.
When you drop the L, esp since it is your first time, be sure to be some where safe, and as secluded from the outside world as possible, interaction with any one who isnt tripping is quite difficult for the novice tripper, let alone dealing with and having to interact with total strangers . Make sure you are very comfortable with the place you will be trpping in, if possible shut off your phone, it will be your enemy all night. There is a thread here with loadss of amazing things to expercience while on L, def check that out. Also any fresh fruit is absolutely incredible, but i love fried chicken when im tripping as well, so what to eat and how good it will be all depends on what you like and how much you like it. One thing almost every one can agree on is freshly cut pineapple.
I could go for days, if theres anything specific you would like to know just PM me. Happy travels friend!
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the best lsd i ever had was liquid lsd from the grateful dead family.
they whee much more euphoric than the white on white blotters from the gratefukldead family.
i still like the blotters, but its just not the same as the needle point.
I have like 60 blotters I have collected from silkroad. all are bomb/..but just not the same as the liquid lsd i had
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the best lsd i ever had was liquid lsd from the grateful dead family.
they whee much more euphoric than the white on white blotters from the gratefukldead family.
i still like the blotters, but its just not the same as the needle point.
I have like 60 blotters I have collected from silkroad. all are bomb/..but just not the same as the liquid lsd i had
theres been some good liquid going around recently. theres been many positive reports of JOR's vials as well as the vials rocker is selling. :)
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so, i just discovered this website which is fucking awesome. its interactive generative meditative art. http://new.weavesilk.com/
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For those who missed it on the avengers thread...
Hello every one, I received my 5 strip of TabMonsters 'Owsley' tabs, the Sumos. TM confirmed that they where resales of ETMs Sumos at a discounted price, because they where infact not 200+ mics, but rather more like 125ug. I can attest to them being very clean and certainly 100+ mics.
So if I'm reading this right...Tammonster buys ETM Sumos....realizes they are not 250 as ETM says they are......Tabmonster resells them at a discount because they are not 250 or 200. more like 125uq......
I commend Tabmonster for being straight up. and it just quantifies the Avengers position that ETMs tabs are falsely advertized..at 250....I mean If Tabmonster says they are not even close to 200, and you dropped tested the tabs and confirmed they are about 125...this is pretty good evidence that ETM is not selling 250uq tabs.....I'm i missing something here....I'm not high, so i think i got this right.? please correct me if I'm wrong. ???
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For those who missed it on the avengers thread...
Hello every one, I received my 5 strip of TabMonsters 'Owsley' tabs, the Sumos. TM confirmed that they where resales of ETMs Sumos at a discounted price, because they where infact not 200+ mics, but rather more like 125ug. I can attest to them being very clean and certainly 100+ mics.
So if I'm reading this right...Tammonster buys ETM Sumos....realizes they are not 250 as ETM says they are......Tabmonster resells them at a discount because they are not 250 or 200. more like 125uq......
I commend Tabmonster for being straight up. and it just quantifies the Avengers position that ETMs tabs are falsely advertized..at 250....I mean If Tabmonster says they are not even close to 200, and you dropped tested the tabs and confirmed they are about 125...this is pretty good evidence that ETM is not selling 250uq tabs.....I'm i missing something here....I'm not high, so i think i got this right.? please correct me if I'm wrong. ???
Nope, you got it dude. Right on the fucking head LOL.. Only what I failed to mention when I posted that, was that TM had bought a sheet for personal use and was not pleased, so decided to re sell. I dont believe reselling other vendors merch is his thing.
i got a 5 strip of his czech crystal im dropping tm night for the meteor shower =0P
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LSD potentiators:
Passionflower increases the “spiritual” qualities of LSD (...)
Clove oil helps it absorb faster. (...) It helps compounds pass through membranes in a way similar to DMSO. By taking something like LSD with clove oil, it’s going to penetrate the walls of the stomach faster, hit the brain faster, and be slightly more potent because of that alone. Clove oil is also psychoactive on its own and apparently potentiates the visual effects of many psychedelics. (...) The dose used is low, about 3-5 drops.
Cinnamon bark oil (about 5 drops) potentiates LSD by releasing adrenalin.
Cayanne pepper (about 800 mg) potentiates LSD by releasing adrenalin.
Nux vomica (100 mg) potentiates LSD quite a bit by increasing all sensory stimuli.
3-5 Datura stramonium seeds potentiate LSD.
(...)
The oils elemicin, myristicin, safrole, and methyl chavicol potentiate the effects of LSD, but only if used with the proper enzyme inhibitors. For these a dose of 100-200 mg is used along with the proper enzyme inhibitors. The potentiation can be extreme because these agonize 5-HT2 sites specifically.
Surprisingly valerian root oil potentiates the effects of LSD. A dose of 200 mg is used. This agonizes several 5-HT sites also agonized by LSD. Smaller doses act as a mild sedative only. You must use a large dose or its not effective at all.
German chamomile (10 cups of flowers or 3 drops of the essential oil) potentiates LSD very mildly. It agonizes 5-HT4. Smaller doses act as a mild sedative only. You must use a large dose.
Black cohosh potentiates LSD by agonizing several 5-HT sites.
http://herbs.maxforum.org/2011/05/16/recommend-lsd-potentiators/
I've also heard that piracatem and other nootropics potentiate the effects of LSD.
Does anyone here have any experience with LSD potentiators?
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so, i just discovered this website which is fucking awesome. its interactive generative meditative art. http://new.weavesilk.com/
Wow it's beautiful! :) I can sit for an hour and just draw crazy patterns and stare...
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so, i just discovered this website which is fucking awesome. its interactive generative meditative art. http://new.weavesilk.com/
Wow it's beautiful! :) I can sit for an hour and just draw crazy patterns and stare...
that is exactly what i did :) if you search it on facebook, theres a official page for it with a ton of insane ones people have done. someone did a yoda that is amazing :)
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I feel left out lol. The url did not work for me=/
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I love acid, it lets me tap into reality and see everything the way it is. Really everything is moving and shifting all the time in other dimensions and we just don't see it because our brain dumbs it down for us. Acid allows us to see what is actually there, which is why it is so frightening but beautiful. The universe looks so complex already but it is much more than we can even comprehend most of the time.
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+1 @Brian
@typtap, I can not believe that jerk off said that about my Love! The audacity, and sheer lack of knowladge on some people huh LOL.
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Hey fellow Lucy Lovers, and every one else alike :)
So tonight is the long awaited, much anticipated Geminid meteor shower! For this incredible event I will be dosing with either 3 of JerseyCows Avitars, or 3 of TabMonsters czech-25 '175'ug tabs. I will be giving a brief trip report probably tm night, as to the strength and cleanliness of the tabs. ( if its the czech tabs I drop, most every one has read JCs feed back from the Avitars and Hoffmans)
My only issue here is, Ive tested out JCs tabs, and they are awesome, so there is no question that the experience will be epic. While I have yet to taste the czech '175'ug tabs, Im really itching to drop them, just not sure how great an idea it is to test them out for such an amazing event. Im worried that if they are not anything near their advertised dose and quality, that I will be just buzzn for the meteor shower. Ive been waiting for this for over 2 months now, and i neeeeed to be fuck faced( tripping my nuts off).
If any one that happens to see this has by chance dropped TMs czech 'needle point' and can give me an idea on strength and dose of them, itd be fucking awesome!.. Even better if whom ever it may be has also droped JCs tabs :D
Thanks for tuning in everyone! Happy adventures to all!!! Much love 8)
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Well, I got careless with how I felt and I accidentally hurt the girl I came to visit because things came up and we were only going to have a portion of the time I thought we would to hang out. It's cloudy out on the night of the Geminids and I'm trapped in a self-loathing depression. She's sorry for saying what she did to get me here, and I just know she only said any of it because I was careless and stupid.
Fuck. Fuck fuck fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck. So much for the best week of my year, it fell to the polar opposite on the peak night of it all.
i'm sorry brother :( , hopefully things will get better! sending positive energy your way :)
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that is quite a theraputic journey. if you want, you can keep posting in here, i'll try and stay awake as long as possible to help you with it. if we weren't anonymous n stuff, i would offer you to call me to help you with it, but i don't think that would be a good idea. just know, i am sending the vibes your way :)
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no problem typtap, LSD does transcend phone lines :) being sensitive to LSD is nice, but you also have to remember you've taken a larger dose :)
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dam, i haven't taken nearly that much before. i'm not the least bit afraid to, i just can't do it where i live, and don't really have a reliable place i can take a dose like that at the moment.
laughter is pretty awesome, but pure unconditional love, that is where it is truly at :)
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dam, i haven't taken nearly that much before. i'm not the least bit afraid to, i just can't do it where i live, and don't really have a reliable place i can take a dose like that at the moment.
laughter is pretty awesome, but pure unconditional love, that is where it is truly at :)
I'm in a hotel room and it's raining out. The people in the next room have been driving me bugfuck all night. =P
lol, a hotel would be a decent place to take a long trip. i really want to go and do a nature trip, leave in the morning and go to a park, take some tabs, trip and walk around, watch the sun set. it would be pretty cool :)
how are the visuals?
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ahahaha, that is great :) craziest piss i have ever taken was on DMT, i was still hallucinating when i meandered over to the toilet. it was one of the craziest pees i've ever taken in my life, my dick started to spiral, it was awesome :)
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So I've already fixed myself.
FUCK I UNDERESTIMATE ME.
the power of the mind . . . and LSD is a beautiful thing :)
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I want to share the beauty of the love that I'm feeling right now, the specific love I share with the person I'm visiting, but right now it'd identify me.
FUCK YOU LE.
I'M NOT SAYING FUCK YOU TO A SINGLE PERSON READING THIS! I'M SAYING FUCK YOU TO THE IDEA THAT I SHOULDN'T BE FEELING THIS, BECAUSE YOU, THE IDEA, ARE THE REASON I'M AFRAID TO SHARE IT.
unconditional love <3 and with that, i'm ganna head off to sleep, safe travels my brother, and have a fun journey :)
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Wow, what the frackk went on here whislt I was away LOL. Congras typtap on your breakthrough! +1 to you for noting and sharing your incredible experience with us, and +1 for anon, for being so concerned and supportive. I absolutely dig alll the Love and warm happy vibes you guys all share.
When I'm of this nightmare of a job I will be giving a brief report on my night, which did not turn out nearly as specacular as I had hoped for=/ ill report back soon
PS one more time, typtap and anon you guys are incredible human beings, such a rare thing to behold this day in age=)
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Wow, what the frackk went on here whislt I was away LOL. Congras typtap on your breakthrough! +1 to you for noting and sharing your incredible experience with us, and +1 for anon, for being so concerned and supportive. I absolutely dig alll the Love and warm happy vibes you guys all share.
When I'm of this nightmare of a job I will be giving a brief report on my night, which did not turn out nearly as specacular as I had hoped for=/ ill report back soon
PS one more time, typtap and anon you guys are incredible human beings, such a rare thing to behold this day in age=)
yes pls... this thread is awesome!!
sorry, I'm feeling high right now lol (ketamine here)
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Wow, what the frackk went on here whislt I was away LOL. Congras typtap on your breakthrough! +1 to you for noting and sharing your incredible experience with us, and +1 for anon, for being so concerned and supportive. I absolutely dig alll the Love and warm happy vibes you guys all share.
When I'm of this nightmare of a job I will be giving a brief report on my night, which did not turn out nearly as specacular as I had hoped for=/ ill report back soon
PS one more time, typtap and anon you guys are incredible human beings, such a rare thing to behold this day in age=)
thanks. i went through a lot about 6 months ago, essentially hitting my rock bottom, with everything collapsing in on itself, getting kicked out of my house by my brother and having to move back in with my parents. but, the thing i did with all of this was accept it. i took some LSD about a month after and had the best trip of my life. it was as if i had complete control because i had faced all of my fears i had inside, had accepted them for what they were as apart of me, leaving me nothing to hide or fear. because of this, it gave me a new perspective on life, allowing me to understand true happiness and unconditional love. it was one of the most powerful things i've ever gone through, but i do not regret it at all. i don't care for the bullshit most people display in life anymore, i just try to be happy and help people. like my signature says, if you can make one person smile, then you know the day has been a success :)
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Goooooooood morniiing vietnaam! (Bill Murray voice LOL)
Soo, fellow psyconauts, Im half way rested, freshly bathed, shaved, smoking this joint and half way paved! Ate a 1/2 of a roxy a few min ago, and im totally stoked to have some time to spend with my favorite anonymous online brotherhood ( Even if it wasnt the my only online community, it would still be my favorite ;)).
As I posted thursday, I had a very big night planned, for months now, to drop a nice dose and get totally shitty to watch the meteor shower. Well guys, It fucking sucked :-\ Well let me say, nothing that i had hoped for rather, cause with Lucy in my brain nothing can ever be THAT bad LOL. The night turned out mostly cloudy, pretty much all effing cloudy actually and un reasonably cold, for my current location anyway. We did wind up on the beach that had a nice sized window with crystal clear skies, all the beautiful stars out there dancing and shimmering, almost as if the entire sky was some liquid like dimension. While there we got to see maybe 10 or 20 note worthy meteors. Truly incredible.
Now im not typically one for astronomy, though I do totally dig the universe , In almost every aspect. planets and stars arent exactly my 'thing'. The reason I amped my self the fuck up for this "big" meteor shower, was because once upon a time, many moons ago, me and the same buddy i was with for the Geminids, happen to be looking up at the sky when we where like 12 years old, and I notice a shooting star. "Look bro, a shooting star. Did you see that?" .."no".. "look, another! and another! and anoth-..whaat the fuuck is going on!?!" Guys I shit you not, it was like the entire sky began to rain dozens of stars per minute! Now that was the first and last meteor shower I have every seen aside from the Geminids ( if it was infact a meteor shower and not some freak occurrence) and for the rest of my life i believed thats what a meteor shower looked like on average.
We've some to the conclusion that what ever it was our eyes stumbled upon that night, was some sort of once in a lifetime or very very rare event. Ive been meaning to google it and see if i could figure wth it was, if it was even noted and has a name of sorts, but I can not remember much about when exactly it was or how exactly how long ago.
Any way, we decided on 2.5 tabs each of TabMonsters 'czech-25'. Opening statement in reference to that, NO way that they are 175ug. Now, let me give some back round on what ive had going on this past week, so as to better understand why I hardly fucking buzzed at all of such a decent dose, of what was infact good clean L. A friend came to stay with me for a few days from my home town, and for 4 days it was a total shit show. Im talking grams of Ket, tabs of 25c, about 1300ug of L between the three of us, roxys, copious amounts of pot, just a 4 day long dream pretty much. With a few hours of rest in between. The line up went something like this ( as far as the L and RCs go anyway) 3.5 tabs of L, 2.5 tabs of 25c , and some micro (daytime) doses from JCs avitars. That was all in a 6 day span, with the last micro dose of L being the night before the Geminids.
So in respects to all that, I do not feel comfortable giving an opinion as to what i believe the dosage to be from TabMonsters czech xtal tabs. What I am very confident to say is that they where infact LEGIT and VERY CLEAN LSD, which I was very happy about :)
Well guys the joint of Sour is fin, I am now 100% paved, laid out, cold stoned, toasted , how ever you like to say it... Im silly high ;D and simply can not think clearly enough to continue on anything i meant to, but did not mention, and edit or three may be along shortly, or not LOL Thanks every one for tuning in!
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great write up DB, but very sorry to hear how it went :( hopefully our next trip will be beyond expectations :)
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great write up DB, but very sorry to hear how it went :( hopefully our next trip will be beyond expectations :)
Thanks anon! Yes Im sure it will be, I will see to it. Got a heavy stash, and ti-i-i-i-me, is on my side (Rolling Stones) 8)
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great write up DB, but very sorry to hear how it went :( hopefully our next trip will be beyond expectations :)
Partake of 2,250+mcg with me on New Year's! That should decimate any expectations, right? I may even go for 3,000mcg!
Hell fricking ya typtap, I think decimate is a accurate way to describe that LOL. I will be sure to be nice and cleaned out for then, and drop what i can afford to spare. Not so sure it will be anything near 3,000mics though. I would be out of a warm bed and roof over me head if thats what my doses looked like LOL
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I mentioned somewhere I had a sense of impending symmetry breaking and evolution, so far I've progressed from tripping on acid to dancing and I figure 2,250-3,000mcg should ensure the total fulfillment of my acid-induced prophetic sense. I have NOOOOOO fucking idea what I may learn... SO EXCITED.
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I truly hope you succeed in reaching your goals, ill be here for the ride. I cant wait to see how it goes for you. All the best TT =0)
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I tripped balls on around 50ug of JOR's LSD... is that even possible? I don't understaaand.
Trip report (initially thought it was 100ug but was later lab-tested to be less):
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=53428.msg522720#msg522720
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I tripped balls on around 50ug of JOR's LSD... is that even possible? I don't understaaand.
Trip report (initially thought it was 100ug but was later lab-tested to be less):
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=53428.msg522720#msg522720
LOL Yea dude, its totally possible, to a degree..cause i once 'tripped balls' on a low dose, not that low, but under 200ug..then I realized, i hadn't any fucking idea exactly what 'tripping balls' was LOL.. If you love her, Lucy will show you the way friend =0)
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I truly hope you succeed in reaching your goals, ill be here for the ride. I cant wait to see how it goes for you. All the best TT =0)
I somehow doubt that even I, with my exponentially increasing prowess, will be functioning in this plane on that dose, so you'll all get to hear about it afterwards. My friend once told me to expect to not really be moving for a day and still be coming back the next day on a dose of just 1,800mcg or so. I'm curious to see how it goes for me, because while he once spent a while being fed about a sheet or so daily (as tolerance built up) he didn't seem to have a lot of insights to help me when I dosed with him some time after that, and I've gotten the impression that a measure of control gained through insight is key to retaining motor control and functionality in the physical world. I plan on only letting it keep me immobile for the shortest time possible before I reengage with the world.
I wish New Year's wasn't so far away...
Wow dude, very interesting thoughts. Im fucking stoked for you, as if it where me that will be doing thiss LOL
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I tripped balls on around 50ug of JOR's LSD... is that even possible? I don't understaaand.
Trip report (initially thought it was 100ug but was later lab-tested to be less):
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=53428.msg522720#msg522720
You're probably very sensitive to acid. Wish I could trip that hard on only 50ug. I'd save a lot of money.
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Does anyone in this thread have any experience with paranoia and taking LSD? I've never taken LSD myself and I want to try it but I'm slightly worried. I get bad phases of paranoia at times. I never get paranoid when smoking but the weed has definitely made it more frequent over the last few years. I was specifically wanting to know about peoples experience with paranoia while on LSD or just taking LSD as someone who occasionally feels intense paranoia. Recommended first time dosage, that sort of thing.
Sorry if this isn't the right place to post but you guys seem to know what you're talking about.
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Does anyone in this thread have any experience with paranoia and taking LSD? I've never taken LSD myself and I want to try it but I'm slightly worried. I get bad phases of paranoia at times. I never get paranoid when smoking but the weed has definitely made it more frequent over the last few years. I was specifically wanting to know about peoples experience with paranoia while on LSD or just taking LSD as someone who occasionally feels intense paranoia. Recommended first time dosage, that sort of thing.
Sorry if this isn't the right place to post but you guys seem to know what you're talking about.
i've had intense paranoia on LSD and other drugs.... it's worse if i'm around other people, or in a chaotic environment. Setting is everything. If I'm in a comfortable and peaceful environment, I can control the paranoia until it evaporates. I can paranoid without drugs too.
Do you have a sitter?
When you get paranoid, what are you afraid of?
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Does anyone in this thread have any experience with paranoia and taking LSD? I've never taken LSD myself and I want to try it but I'm slightly worried. I get bad phases of paranoia at times. I never get paranoid when smoking but the weed has definitely made it more frequent over the last few years. I was specifically wanting to know about peoples experience with paranoia while on LSD or just taking LSD as someone who occasionally feels intense paranoia. Recommended first time dosage, that sort of thing.
Sorry if this isn't the right place to post but you guys seem to know what you're talking about.
My friend , this is the right place to discuss anything LSD. So yes, like psychedilia stated, intense paranoia is pretty common, more common when an individual thats on LSD is not 100% comfortable with where they are, or what they are doing. Happy travels!
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Unintentionally funny clip from a TV show depicting an LSD hallucination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_144f8mHk8c&feature=player_embedded
Whoever made this has obviously never taken LSD.
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^^^ HAAA, television these days huh LOL
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i've had intense paranoia on LSD and other drugs.... it's worse if i'm around other people, or in a chaotic environment. Setting is everything. If I'm in a comfortable and peaceful environment, I can control the paranoia until it evaporates. I can paranoid without drugs too.
Do you have a sitter?
When you get paranoid, what are you afraid of?
I'd probably not have a sitter. Usually just fear of people being around or in my house without reason to think so. I imagine noises of people coming inside or talking in the garden. It doesn't sound so bad but it gets pretty intense and at its worst I've ended up locking myself in a room staring at the door until the next day.
Does it ever make you more likely to act out against it? Like do something stupid to try and get rid of it? Or does it just make it feel more intense?
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i've had intense paranoia on LSD and other drugs.... it's worse if i'm around other people, or in a chaotic environment. Setting is everything. If I'm in a comfortable and peaceful environment, I can control the paranoia until it evaporates. I can paranoid without drugs too.
Do you have a sitter?
When you get paranoid, what are you afraid of?
I'd probably not have a sitter. Usually just fear of people being around or in my house without reason to think so. I imagine noises of people coming inside or talking in the garden. It doesn't sound so bad but it gets pretty intense and at its worst I've ended up locking myself in a room staring at the door until the next day.
Does it ever make you more likely to act out against it? Like do something stupid to try and get rid of it? Or does it just make it feel more intense?
Well friend, if thats how you get on average with out any serious p-noia inducing substances, than L miight not be the best bet for you, at least until you've learned to tame your paranoia a bit. The thing with being p-noid on LSD , is that what ever it is you think your hearing or seeing, or thinking is going to happen, it is just soo fuckingg real. LOL i too sit around and occasionally mute the music or TV to listen for the people or person I would think i heard speaking out side of my door, 10 out of 10 times, its all in my head hehe
EDIT: The single most plausible ,and rightful reason for serious paranoia ( for some one that looks like me anyway) is being any where in public, that fucking POLICE can see me! LOL ( i look like a fucking gang banger lol) but even when dealing with people, cashiers, neighbors what have you. As dosed as I can be, I always manage to keep cool and carry convo for the most part, I think because i could give a shit less what any one thinks, so ive nothing to hide. Thats why seeing a cop even from a distance ( longg distance) give me a small scale stroke , because it seems alomost every time Ive had a run in with them , I spend some time in their beautiful resorts ( totally sarcastic), and it has been many a times =0/
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Well friend, if thats how you get on average with out any serious p-noia inducing substances, than L miight not be the best bet for you, at least until you've learned to tame your paranoia a bit. The thing with being p-noid on LSD , is that what ever it is you think your hearing or seeing, or thinking is going to happen, it is just soo fuckingg real. LOL i too sit around and occasionally mute the music or TV to listen for the people or person I would think i heard speaking out side of my door, 10 out of 10 times, its all in my head hehe
EDIT: The single most plausible ,and rightful reason for serious paranoia ( for some one that looks like me anyway) is being any where in public, that fucking POLICE can see me! LOL ( i look like a fucking gang banger lol) but even when dealing with people, cashiers, neighbors what have you. As dosed as I can be, I always manage to keep cool and carry convo for the most part, I think because i could give a shit less what any one thinks, so ive nothing to hide. Thats why seeing a cop even from a distance ( longg distance) give me a small scale stroke , because it seems alomost every time Ive had a run in with them , I spend some time in their beautiful resorts ( totally sarcastic), and it has been many a times =0/
Yeah I think that's reasonable anxiety though in those cases. Police don't set me off but that's probably because I've been more lucky than you, zero incidents so far. I guess I'll try to get to the stage where I'm more aware of what I'm doing and can control the panic attack before I try it.
Good to get an honest answer from users though. I was half expecting to get some bullshit defensive argument about it having no downsides or something. Thanks for the replies.
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Well friend, if thats how you get on average with out any serious p-noia inducing substances, than L miight not be the best bet for you, at least until you've learned to tame your paranoia a bit. The thing with being p-noid on LSD , is that what ever it is you think your hearing or seeing, or thinking is going to happen, it is just soo fuckingg real. LOL i too sit around and occasionally mute the music or TV to listen for the people or person I would think i heard speaking out side of my door, 10 out of 10 times, its all in my head hehe
EDIT: The single most plausible ,and rightful reason for serious paranoia ( for some one that looks like me anyway) is being any where in public, that fucking POLICE can see me! LOL ( i look like a fucking gang banger lol) but even when dealing with people, cashiers, neighbors what have you. As dosed as I can be, I always manage to keep cool and carry convo for the most part, I think because i could give a shit less what any one thinks, so ive nothing to hide. Thats why seeing a cop even from a distance ( longg distance) give me a small scale stroke , because it seems alomost every time Ive had a run in with them , I spend some time in their beautiful resorts ( totally sarcastic), and it has been many a times =0/
Yeah I think that's reasonable anxiety though in those cases. Police don't set me off but that's probably because I've been more lucky than you, zero incidents so far. I guess I'll try to get to the stage where I'm more aware of what I'm doing and can control the panic attack before I try it.
Good to get an honest answer from users though. I was half expecting to get some bullshit defensive argument about it having no downsides or something. Thanks for the replies.
Any time friend, Im here to help. Not force my beliefs on others 8)
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I'd probably not have a sitter. Usually just fear of people being around or in my house without reason to think so. I imagine noises of people coming inside or talking in the garden. It doesn't sound so bad but it gets pretty intense and at its worst I've ended up locking myself in a room staring at the door until the next day.
Does it ever make you more likely to act out against it? Like do something stupid to try and get rid of it? Or does it just make it feel more intense?
i think you should definitely have a sitter if you're apprehensive about taking it. LSD makes you very suggestible, so if you think you're going to be paranoid, you'll probably get paranoid - at least, until you learn to control the trip, which takes some experience. if you don't follow this advice, then at least do it in your own home, and not in public (as i did on one of my first trips, resulting in the worst experience of my life), and only do a small dosage. i've never 'acted out' or done anything stupid on acid, but i've had the paranoia spiral so much out of control that i probably could have done something stupid, but thankfully i was too scared of everything to move from the place i was standing in.
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My friend , this is the right place to discuss anything LSD. So yes, like psychedilia stated, intense paranoia is pretty common, more common when an individual thats on LSD is not 100% comfortable with where they are, or what they are doing. Happy travels!
Once you've got experience under your belt and you're comfortable with the dose you like there's no reason to feel paranoid in any situation, but before then it can indeed make you quite paranoid if you're not in a place that feels safe and secure, because it can be quite strong and that can make you feel very, very obvious.
I went for a walk my last trip, got passed by a police SUV and waved at it with a smile. When I'm tripping I know I'm okay and I avoid freaking out about cops by focusing on how they enforce good laws, not how they enforce bad ones, which I can do since I know I'll give them no cause to go all enforcer on me.
I envy you TT, LOL If i wave at the cops, they charge me with threatening an officer and keep me in the slammer for 3 days =( It has lot to do with my area, but also all my tattoos most likely. LOL
EDIT: I will admit, i am viewed by society as a ' cold, hardened criminal' , but I am a great fucking person, with a heart of gold. I just live the way chose to live, not the way my government tells me I have to live. I have the utmost hatred for any figure of government or LE, mainly because of the misery they have put me through and countless days, weeks and months they've taken from my life, essentially over victimless 'crimes' ( with exception of few, on occasion my temper still gets the best of me, ive been working on this all my life, i like to think im a much calmer person in my old age.)
EDIT: Excuse my rantng, Im quite high
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My friend , this is the right place to discuss anything LSD. So yes, like psychedilia stated, intense paranoia is pretty common, more common when an individual thats on LSD is not 100% comfortable with where they are, or what they are doing. Happy travels!
Once you've got experience under your belt and you're comfortable with the dose you like there's no reason to feel paranoid in any situation, but before then it can indeed make you quite paranoid if you're not in a place that feels safe and secure, because it can be quite strong and that can make you feel very, very obvious.
I went for a walk my last trip, got passed by a police SUV and waved at it with a smile. When I'm tripping I know I'm okay and I avoid freaking out about cops by focusing on how they enforce good laws, not how they enforce bad ones, which I can do since I know I'll give them no cause to go all enforcer on me.
I envy you TT, LOL If i wave at the cops, they charge me with threatening an officer and keep me in the slammer for 3 days =( It has lot to do with my area, but also all my tattoos most likely. LOL
EDIT: I will admit, i am viewed by society as a ' cold, hardened criminal' , but I am a great fucking person, with a heart of gold. I just live the way chose to live, not the way my government tells me I have to live. I have the utmost hatred for any figure of government or LE, mainly because of the misery they have put me through and countless days, weeks and months they've taken from my life, essentially over victimless 'crimes' ( with exception of few, on occasion my temper still gets the best of me, ive been working on this all my life, i like to think im a much calmer person in my old age.)
EDIT: Excuse my rantng, Im quite high
hey dude nice topic! some interesting reads. i first clicked on it cos i thoguht hes talking about drugs how much more on topic is that to sr??
but w regards to what u said there isnt it funny how the "bad" ppl of society are usually the most caring, heart full of gold and ones to look after their community best... and the pigs fin useless most the time! dont get me wrong some of them are good ppl but majority IME are control freaks that work as a cop to have some sense of power. long story short i got busted buying weed once was in a merry mood so had a laff w the cops but then i realised wait a min ur busting me for this what about the crack head smoking crack in my carp ark he was there on my way here come bust him and the cop blatantly said to me "boss has told me i gotta book so many weed dealers" its all jus power, stats and how much money they make nowadays...
lol sorry for my rant and thx for bringing me the informative 1st page i jus read : )
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My friend , this is the right place to discuss anything LSD. So yes, like psychedilia stated, intense paranoia is pretty common, more common when an individual thats on LSD is not 100% comfortable with where they are, or what they are doing. Happy travels!
Once you've got experience under your belt and you're comfortable with the dose you like there's no reason to feel paranoid in any situation, but before then it can indeed make you quite paranoid if you're not in a place that feels safe and secure, because it can be quite strong and that can make you feel very, very obvious.
I went for a walk my last trip, got passed by a police SUV and waved at it with a smile. When I'm tripping I know I'm okay and I avoid freaking out about cops by focusing on how they enforce good laws, not how they enforce bad ones, which I can do since I know I'll give them no cause to go all enforcer on me.
I envy you TT, LOL If i wave at the cops, they charge me with threatening an officer and keep me in the slammer for 3 days =( It has lot to do with my area, but also all my tattoos most likely. LOL
EDIT: I will admit, i am viewed by society as a ' cold, hardened criminal' , but I am a great fucking person, with a heart of gold. I just live the way chose to live, not the way my government tells me I have to live. I have the utmost hatred for any figure of government or LE, mainly because of the misery they have put me through and countless days, weeks and months they've taken from my life, essentially over victimless 'crimes' ( with exception of few, on occasion my temper still gets the best of me, ive been working on this all my life, i like to think im a much calmer person in my old age.)
EDIT: Excuse my rantng, Im quite high
hey dude nice topic! some interesting reads. i first clicked on it cos i thoguht hes talking about drugs how much more on topic is that to sr??
but w regards to what u said there isnt it funny how the "bad" ppl of society are usually the most caring, heart full of gold and ones to look after their community best... and the pigs fin useless most the time! dont get me wrong some of them are good ppl but majority IME are control freaks that work as a cop to have some sense of power. long story short i got busted buying weed once was in a merry mood so had a laff w the cops but then i realised wait a min ur busting me for this what about the crack head smoking crack in my carp ark he was there on my way here come bust him and the cop blatantly said to me "boss has told me i gotta book so many weed dealers" its all jus power, stats and how much money they make nowadays...
lol sorry for my rant and thx for bringing me the informative 1st page i jus read : )
Hey dude, thanks for dropping in. I do find it ironic how most of the people alike me are in fact pretty decent people, and a lot are like me, just live how they want to, not how they are told. I also have always infact kept my area clean and free of the real rif raf, dirtbags. Like my block has had zero crime for the most part since ive lived here, simply because the dirtbags know that i live there, and shit will go down if they defile my neighborhood. and everywhere else i live as well.
The whole ' Oh my captain sais make petty weed busts' thing is total fucking BS, they do it for a collar. Nothing more. They are infact all power drunk, and use their badge like a fucking holy shield of " you obey what i fucking say, cause if not ill lock your punk ass up". It absolutely disgusts me. Of all the jerk off cops ive encountered, one or two have been normal people, the one married into my family, and the other was off duty. LOL. The only ones that let people like us do our things with out problems, are the ones that are actual police and only look for actual criminals, murderers, rapists and thieves.
Rant away friend. I HATE LE!
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My friend , this is the right place to discuss anything LSD. So yes, like psychedilia stated, intense paranoia is pretty common, more common when an individual thats on LSD is not 100% comfortable with where they are, or what they are doing. Happy travels!
Once you've got experience under your belt and you're comfortable with the dose you like there's no reason to feel paranoid in any situation, but before then it can indeed make you quite paranoid if you're not in a place that feels safe and secure, because it can be quite strong and that can make you feel very, very obvious.
I went for a walk my last trip, got passed by a police SUV and waved at it with a smile. When I'm tripping I know I'm okay and I avoid freaking out about cops by focusing on how they enforce good laws, not how they enforce bad ones, which I can do since I know I'll give them no cause to go all enforcer on me.
I envy you TT, LOL If i wave at the cops, they charge me with threatening an officer and keep me in the slammer for 3 days =( It has lot to do with my area, but also all my tattoos most likely. LOL
EDIT: I will admit, i am viewed by society as a ' cold, hardened criminal' , but I am a great fucking person, with a heart of gold. I just live the way chose to live, not the way my government tells me I have to live. I have the utmost hatred for any figure of government or LE, mainly because of the misery they have put me through and countless days, weeks and months they've taken from my life, essentially over victimless 'crimes' ( with exception of few, on occasion my temper still gets the best of me, ive been working on this all my life, i like to think im a much calmer person in my old age.)
EDIT: Excuse my rantng, Im quite high
hey dude nice topic! some interesting reads. i first clicked on it cos i thoguht hes talking about drugs how much more on topic is that to sr??
but w regards to what u said there isnt it funny how the "bad" ppl of society are usually the most caring, heart full of gold and ones to look after their community best... and the pigs fin useless most the time! dont get me wrong some of them are good ppl but majority IME are control freaks that work as a cop to have some sense of power. long story short i got busted buying weed once was in a merry mood so had a laff w the cops but then i realised wait a min ur busting me for this what about the crack head smoking crack in my carp ark he was there on my way here come bust him and the cop blatantly said to me "boss has told me i gotta book so many weed dealers" its all jus power, stats and how much money they make nowadays...
lol sorry for my rant and thx for bringing me the informative 1st page i jus read : )
Hey dude, thanks for dropping in. I do find it ironic how most of the people alike me are in fact pretty decent people, and a lot are like me, just live how they want to, not how they are told. I also have always infact kept my area clean and free of the real rif raf, dirtbags. Like my block has had zero crime for the most part since ive lived here, simply because the dirtbags know that i live there, and shit will go down if they defile my neighborhood. and everywhere else i live as well.
The whole ' Oh my captain sais make petty weed busts' thing is total fucking BS, they do it for a collar. Nothing more. They are infact all power drunk, and use their badge like a fucking holy shield of " you obey what i fucking say, cause if not ill lock your punk ass up". It absolutely disgusts me. Of all the jerk off cops ive encountered, one or two have been normal people, the one married into my family, and the other was off duty. LOL. The only ones that let people like us do our things with out problems, are the ones that are actual police and only look for actual criminals, murderers, rapists and thieves.
Rant away friend. I HATE LE!
Now with no disrespect to any of you and to tell the truth, I'm kind of playing the role of a Devil's advocate, I have to say that I support the "good sides" of LE.
A good side can be understood like this: You're getting robbed, you yell: "Help! Help!". Someone(if not yourself) call the LE and they'll help you.
A good side of LE is exactly like that, but also including the health benefits, protection, roads that are in good condition, etc, etc.
I hope I'm not getting -KARMA-d for this post, but w/e.
I just want to hear your thoughts on these "good sides", because; you want a criminal who has killed 18 people to go to jail/get death penalty, but in principle they break the law as You're(in the eyes of LE), the person who buys drugs off the internet.
Oh, only pitching this, because I finally learned how to make cannabutter(properly!!!) and this shit is GOOD :)
~~sitamaja
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just to chime in a little bit about LE. when i was a young kid, and when most were, we used to look up to police officers. "i want to be a police officer when i grow up" many kids would say. Protect and serve used to be the words to describe LE. but unfortunately, it is no longer the case. everyone lives in fear of LE, slowing down when you are driving because you see a cop, even if you are doing nothing wrong. beign a police officer used to be an honorable profession, but it is now just people who abuse their power :(
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just to chime in a little bit about LE. when i was a young kid, and when most were, we used to look up to police officers. "i want to be a police officer when i grow up" many kids would say. Protect and serve used to be the words to describe LE. but unfortunately, it is no longer the case. everyone lives in fear of LE, slowing down when you are driving because you see a cop, even if you are doing nothing wrong. beign a police officer used to be an honorable profession, but it is now just people who abuse their power :(
true,
when i was a kid, we would drink on the steps of a school....cops would patrol and sometime bust us...make us pour out the beer...and tell us to get lost...Now they will bust you, give you a record and screw up you future....Now i know the laws are harder today then yesterday..Like DUI and possession...but our laws on pot is stupid...and many laws regarding drugs is stupid.. but Im not here to talk about politics. But will say the mental attitude in many "NOT ALL"cops is to make a bust and make themselves look good.
But yeah, even when I'm in have my car on cruse control and i see a cop i slow down....fear....it sucks
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Hey, DB. You should edit your OP and include a list of members that are allowed to post here ;-D Just kidding, everyone I don't know, lol. Although I'd be willing to bet we could pick em pretty fast hahaha. Just had to drop in to your OFFICIAL dirty style LSD thread rofl. X-D
Later gator,
GYF
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Hey, DB. You should edit your OP and include a list of members that are allowed to post here ;-D Just kidding, everyone I don't know, lol. Although I'd be willing to bet we could pick em pretty fast hahaha. Just had to drop in to your OFFICIAL dirty style LSD thread rofl. X-D
Later gator,
GYF
LOL thanks for dropping in GYF! & yea if I were to chose who is alowed to post in here itd be two handfulls of members, lol.. though i am not that kind, any one and everyone can post im my thread 8) I cant always promise they will be so welcomed, pending on exactly what it is they may have to say =0)
@anon, the oll' see n' slow huh, LOL shit when Im riding where ever, car or motorcycle, I will often take routes that are entirely out of my way, just to be sure im avoiding the fuckers. Such a shame. " I beginning to get, the fear" - Dr. Gonzo lol
@ FlyHigh, Man how things used to be different huh. I often mention it, how different the world used to be, how we've grown to become almost a fucking dictatorship. I will not feel like the free man Im supposed to be, until I own and live on such a large plot of land that the only society i will be able to see for miles, is that of nature =0)
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@ sitmanja, I do not feel like going and finding actual statistic figures, but if you seen the numbers and stats of what our nations jails and prisons are actually filled with, you'd find that the majority of inmates are doing their time for petty or meager drug charges. So much so that just about every single jail in the nation is greatly over populated. Yet when you watch the news or read the daily paper, you will find countless articles and segments on the real crimes of our society, "mother and 2 young daughters brutally murdered in their home", or " another victim of local serial groper emerges".. ( just examples ).
So what does this say for those "good LEO" you speak of?. Ive been in the can, spent a nice chuck of very undeserving time over the decades on the inside, and though just about 9/10 people you meet in there are by their recollection "innocent" (LOL), Its more alone the lines of 1/10 people that are in fact down right evil people, that have zero regard for anything or any one, them selves included, that are rightfully spending the durations of their lives in prison.
Go google NYPD ( Im from NYC, and this is greatly to do with why I have such a hatred for LE, cause the NYPD is the single most corrupt, crooked fucked up to high hell PD in our nation, along side the LAPD, NOPD and lots of others im sure) throws 15 year old through window (or NYPD & any act of violence or criminal act for that matter), If you can find that 2 min clip you will see what i mean, just the way they speak and act towards any one that does not have a badge. The kid is a little shit from my area, and thats my local pct. that is filmed behaving that way, its like there M.O. Given the kid and all his little dirtbag freinds are total shits, but c'mon, they went to cuff the kid, essentially for not doing as they said, not actually breaking any laws, and he "resists" by saying 'wait wait what did i do" and lightly tugging away or something like that and like three more cops all grab him up pushing him into a store front window so hard his head broke it, the kid is 15! and not a 15 yr old that happens to be 200lb either. Then they continue to shout and theaten and belittle and disrespect every one and every one that was on this corner watching this, it was like 30 people.Things like "you dont run shit! this is myy fucking "hood!" , " we run this muh fucka! ', " back the fuuck up! back the fuck up! ," you bunch of fucking animals! , every one get the fuck out of here!", "who the fuck else wants it, we've got cuffs for days!".. they wound up taking like 6 people to jail almost all of which where under 21, and all for some BS argument that two kids where having that lead to a few blows.
All of which brings me to my next point, how by doing this.. by this i mean locking kids and adults alike up, who have no prior criminal history no less, charging them with a crime , and sentencing them to X amount of days, weeks, months, years or even decades in prison, they actually obligate that individual, violent by nature or not, to evolve into an animal. Once youve been to jail, you have NO CHOICE but to become the typical criminal that they have labeled you. Whether it be because the AB or one of their sub parts gives you the option to work for them , suck dick, or get killed...Or some essay trys you for your apple during chow, WTF do you do??? I mean theirs obviously always going to be heartless pussys that take the blowing cock and being the entire houses bitch route.. but not the lot of us...YOU BECOME THE SAME AS THE REST OF THEM
Look dont get me wrong. There is LEO out there that do actually protect and serve, but from what ive always known, they are few and far apart. Again guys i went a little nuts here lol sorry for the jabber =X
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You don't have to apoligize man we all get passionate about some things. I feel ya on this and this is one reason I love the silk road.
Freedom to the people!
Yea it burns my ass to see all these people being jailed over non violent so called crimes. Our tax dollars to shelter these people. Why wouldn't a homeless person commit a crime and get a free bed, cable tv, three meals a day, medical coverage and who knows what else on our money?
This election also burned my ass. I fought with fuckers on youtube for countless hours over that godam romney mother fucker. I refuse to get started on this shit. Only good vibrations
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@Ralph, Yes, lets not get into it LOL. Cause I will only fuel the fire that will turn my peaceful Love thread into political bullshit 8)
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Excellent mini-rant DB! So true about US jails... reading or even thinking about prison privatization and the drug war can make my physically ill (except for Ricki-Oh, which makes me hungry) :p One of the handful of reasons I could never have kids. The world's just to fucked and the vast majority of people don't even pay attention. I've never hurt a fly, but 90% of the people around me would agree I deserve to be locked up for untold years because I like something other than fucking nasty alcohol, and prolly 50% of the world at large thinks I deserve to be tortured for all eternity because I am not credulous.
On topic though, I got a re-delivery slip in the mail today and I've got a package coming tomorrow. It is either a fake letter I sent myself, a sheet of happiness from 3Jane, or both. One of those 3 scenarios will result in severe disappointment but I'm hoping in 12 hours or so I'll be trippin bawlz yo!
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@ sitmanja, I do not feel like going and finding actual statistic figures, but if you seen the numbers and stats of what our nations jails and prisons are actually filled with, you'd find that the majority of inmates are doing their time for petty or meager drug charges. So much so that just about every single jail in the nation is greatly over populated. Yet when you watch the news or read the daily paper, you will find countless articles and segments on the real crimes of our society, "mother and 2 young daughters brutally murdered in their home", or " another victim of local serial groper emerges".. ( just examples ).
So what does this say for those "good LEO" you speak of?. Ive been in the can, spent a nice chuck of very undeserving time over the decades on the inside, and though just about 9/10 people you meet in there are by their recollection "innocent" (LOL), Its more alone the lines of 1/10 people that are in fact down right evil people, that have zero regard for anything or any one, them selves included, that are rightfully spending the durations of their lives in prison.
Go google NYPD ( Im from NYC, and this is greatly to do with why I have such a hatred for LE, cause the NYPD is the single most corrupt, crooked fucked up to high hell PD in our nation, along side the LAPD, NOPD and lots of others im sure) throws 15 year old through window (or NYPD & any act of violence or criminal act for that matter), If you can find that 2 min clip you will see what i mean, just the way they speak and act towards any one that does not have a badge. The kid is a little shit from my area, and thats my local pct. that is filmed behaving that way, its like there M.O. Given the kid and all his little dirtbag freinds are total shits, but c'mon, they went to cuff the kid, essentially for not doing as they said, not actually breaking any laws, and he "resists" by saying 'wait wait what did i do" and lightly tugging away or something like that and like three more cops all grab him up pushing him into a store front window so hard his head broke it, the kid is 15! and not a 15 yr old that happens to be 200lb either. Then they continue to shout and theaten and belittle and disrespect every one and every one that was on this corner watching this, it was like 30 people.Things like "you dont run shit! this is myy fucking "hood!" , " we run this muh fucka! ', " back the fuuck up! back the fuck up! ," you bunch of fucking animals! , every one get the fuck out of here!", "who the fuck else wants it, we've got cuffs for days!".. they wound up taking like 6 people to jail almost all of which where under 21, and all for some BS argument that two kids where having that lead to a few blows.
All of which brings me to my next point, how by doing this.. by this i mean locking kids and adults alike up, who have no prior criminal history no less, charging them with a crime , and sentencing them to X amount of days, weeks, months, years or even decades in prison, they actually obligate that individual, violent by nature or not, to evolve into an animal. Once youve been to jail, you have NO CHOICE but to become the typical criminal that they have labeled you. Whether it be because the AB or one of their sub parts gives you the option to work for them , suck dick, or get killed...Or some essay trys you for your apple during chow, WTF do you do??? I mean theirs obviously always going to be heartless pussys that take the blowing cock and being the entire houses bitch route.. but not the lot of us...YOU BECOME THE SAME AS THE REST OF THEM
Look dont get me wrong. There is LEO out there that do actually protect and serve, but from what ive always known, they are few and far apart. Again guys i went a little nuts here lol sorry for the jabber =X
Ugh, my brownies are functioning too well, so a little bit more of Devil's advocate. :)
The whole impression of LE for You, are the officers and ones that might be corrupt and "evil".
But what about the other side of this, if you're robbed and call the police, they'll come help you and you'll thank them, because they stopped the LAW BREAKERS.
Now when you buy drugs and they catch you and throw you into a prison then they're bad, because they stopped the law breaker(that's you in this context).
So with the system we have now, I think that there's no reason to hate the police, because as the saying goes: "Don't hate the player, hate the game!" In this analogue, policemen are the players and our life(court system) is the game.
Please, let's have a discussion... :D don't know if this is the right thread, but oh well, I'm baked as f***. :)
~~sitamaja
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Excellent mini-rant DB! So true about US jails... reading or even thinking about prison privatization and the drug war can make my physically ill (except for Ricki-Oh, which makes me hungry) :p One of the handful of reasons I could never have kids. The world's just to fucked and the vast majority of people don't even pay attention. I've never hurt a fly, but 90% of the people around me would agree I deserve to be locked up for untold years because I like something other than fucking nasty alcohol, and prolly 50% of the world at large thinks I deserve to be tortured for all eternity because I am not credulous.
On topic though, I got a re-delivery slip in the mail today and I've got a package coming tomorrow. It is either a fake letter I sent myself, a sheet of happiness from 3Jane, or both. One of those 3 scenarios will result in severe disappointment but I'm hoping in 12 hours or so I'll be trippin bawlz yo!
Post a trip report :)
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cool reading. 8)
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Excellent mini-rant DB! So true about US jails... reading or even thinking about prison privatization and the drug war can make my physically ill (except for Ricki-Oh, which makes me hungry) :p One of the handful of reasons I could never have kids. The world's just to fucked and the vast majority of people don't even pay attention. I've never hurt a fly, but 90% of the people around me would agree I deserve to be locked up for untold years because I like something other than fucking nasty alcohol, and prolly 50% of the world at large thinks I deserve to be tortured for all eternity because I am not credulous.
On topic though, I got a re-delivery slip in the mail today and I've got a package coming tomorrow. It is either a fake letter I sent myself, a sheet of happiness from 3Jane, or both. One of those 3 scenarios will result in severe disappointment but I'm hoping in 12 hours or so I'll be trippin bawlz yo!
Thanks anothergirl! Im one of the 90% who believes you do NOT belong in any form of prison=) i hope you get your Jane Loveski very soon!
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@ sitmanja, I do not feel like going and finding actual statistic figures, but if you seen the numbers and stats of what our nations jails and prisons are actually filled with, you'd find that the majority of inmates are doing their time for petty or meager drug charges. So much so that just about every single jail in the nation is greatly over populated. Yet when you watch the news or read the daily paper, you will find countless articles and segments on the real crimes of our society, "mother and 2 young daughters brutally murdered in their home", or " another victim of local serial groper emerges".. ( just examples ).
So what does this say for those "good LEO" you speak of?. Ive been in the can, spent a nice chuck of very undeserving time over the decades on the inside, and though just about 9/10 people you meet in there are by their recollection "innocent" (LOL), Its more alone the lines of 1/10 people that are in fact down right evil people, that have zero regard for anything or any one, them selves included, that are rightfully spending the durations of their lives in prison.
Go google NYPD ( Im from NYC, and this is greatly to do with why I have such a hatred for LE, cause the NYPD is the single most corrupt, crooked fucked up to high hell PD in our nation, along side the LAPD, NOPD and lots of others im sure) throws 15 year old through window (or NYPD & any act of violence or criminal act for that matter), If you can find that 2 min clip you will see what i mean, just the way they speak and act towards any one that does not have a badge. The kid is a little shit from my area, and thats my local pct. that is filmed behaving that way, its like there M.O. Given the kid and all his little dirtbag freinds are total shits, but c'mon, they went to cuff the kid, essentially for not doing as they said, not actually breaking any laws, and he "resists" by saying 'wait wait what did i do" and lightly tugging away or something like that and like three more cops all grab him up pushing him into a store front window so hard his head broke it, the kid is 15! and not a 15 yr old that happens to be 200lb either. Then they continue to shout and theaten and belittle and disrespect every one and every one that was on this corner watching this, it was like 30 people.Things like "you dont run shit! this is myy fucking "hood!" , " we run this muh fucka! ', " back the fuuck up! back the fuck up! ," you bunch of fucking animals! , every one get the fuck out of here!", "who the fuck else wants it, we've got cuffs for days!".. they wound up taking like 6 people to jail almost all of which where under 21, and all for some BS argument that two kids where having that lead to a few blows.
All of which brings me to my next point, how by doing this.. by this i mean locking kids and adults alike up, who have no prior criminal history no less, charging them with a crime , and sentencing them to X amount of days, weeks, months, years or even decades in prison, they actually obligate that individual, violent by nature or not, to evolve into an animal. Once youve been to jail, you have NO CHOICE but to become the typical criminal that they have labeled you. Whether it be because the AB or one of their sub parts gives you the option to work for them , suck dick, or get killed...Or some essay trys you for your apple during chow, WTF do you do??? I mean theirs obviously always going to be heartless pussys that take the blowing cock and being the entire houses bitch route.. but not the lot of us...YOU BECOME THE SAME AS THE REST OF THEM
Look dont get me wrong. There is LEO out there that do actually protect and serve, but from what ive always known, they are few and far apart. Again guys i went a little nuts here lol sorry for the jabber =X
Ugh, my brownies are functioning too well, so a little bit more of Devil's advocate. :)
The whole impression of LE for You, are the officers and ones that might be corrupt and "evil".
But what about the other side of this, if you're robbed and call the police, they'll come help you and you'll thank them, because they stopped the LAW BREAKERS.
Now when you buy drugs and they catch you and throw you into a prison then they're bad, because they stopped the law breaker(that's you in this context).
So with the system we have now, I think that there's no reason to hate the police, because as the saying goes: "Don't hate the player, hate the game!" In this analogue, policemen are the players and our life(court system) is the game.
Please, let's have a discussion... :D don't know if this is the right thread, but oh well, I'm baked as f***. :)
~~sitamaja
Again I disagree LOL. I NEVER have and NEVER will call LE, for any matter. Im robbed, I deal with it, how ever that may be. In an accident, settle there and then. In a altercation with some one, finish that shit right there.
Now ive never been arrested for buying drugs, but when im lit up and pulled over for a "broken tail light" ( which does not exist until I say my tail lights are fine, and they break one with their baton), and locked the fuck up for a crumb of marijuana on my sweater or carpet of my vehicle, spend three days in the most disgusting place your mind could ever imagine (NYC central bookings), Im forced to say fuck them. You read my rant LOL, the good they do is so few and far apart. Lets not continue, It seems I will not bend on this subject, and neither will you LOL
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cool reading. 8)
Glad it tickles your fancy , so to speak 8)
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Post a trip report :)
Hopefully later, but for now I can say that 4 tabs of 3jane's acid put me in a fucking COMA and was subjectively way beyond 4 tabs of the supposedly higher-dosed stuff I though I had been taking before.
I think I'll see what little more I can squeeze out of this trip just staring at batshit Asian signs and shit outside in the middle of the night la la la
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Post a trip report :)
Hopefully later, but for now I can say that 4 tabs of 3jane's acid put me in a fucking COMA and was subjectively way beyond 4 tabs of the supposedly higher-dosed stuff I though I had been taking before.
I think I'll see what little more I can squeeze out of this trip just staring at batshit Asian signs and shit outside in the middle of the night la la la
HAHA ..4 tabs!!! oh sheeeeeit.....FLY girl Fly!! ;D ;D
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Post a trip report :)
Hopefully later, but for now I can say that 4 tabs of 3jane's acid put me in a fucking COMA and was subjectively way beyond 4 tabs of the supposedly higher-dosed stuff I though I had been taking before.
I think I'll see what little more I can squeeze out of this trip just staring at batshit Asian signs and shit outside in the middle of the night la la la
Im very happy that you have come to know the wonders my Love Lucy has to offer the world =) Happy trippss!
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Waiting on a 10 strip from tryptonite. Anyone here tried his cid? Been 3 years since I tripped. Planning on taking 3 or 4 hits :o
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Hey every one!
So all through the night im having this strange dream, that I dosed before bed and had amazing half tripping half awake like dreams. Funny thing is, I havnt dosed since last thursday. I thought maybe it was because I tracked my pack from NSC at 3am, and seen that it landed in NY, So I figure being where im at right now, it should be here in three days or so. I decided to come home for lunch this afternoon, began to fry up some grub, and sat in on the forums for a few min..when *knock *knock *knock, at the door.. the mail person I thought to myself? WTH is going on? I dont know why but I began to frantically scurry to all the windows, checking out the block. I totally thought some kind of CD was going down. After letting the dog bark for a few minutes, and making sure it was just the regular post lady, I open the door.."express delivery for Mr. Frank Rizzo ( not actually my name, of coarse)..Sign for it, wait about 30 min or so, just to be sure my door isnt getting busted in LOL, open the letter, BAM! 30 hits of good ol' clean Canadian LSD,ehh.
NSC finally reshipped after maybe 25 days, maybe more. I had put in for an extension about 2 weeks ago , for 10 days. Three days before SR was supposed to step in, I put in for 100% refund. He had not answered any of my PMs , let alone read them. Same nonsense every one else in his thread was bitching about. Then last thurs or friday, I seen a PM from him stating that hes sorry and he reshipped thanks for the patients and what not. I accept his reship in the resolution center, he provided tracking as well, and it did require a signature, but seeing as how all the other that got their shit signed it didnt bother me, I always scribble for those things anway. So thats literally 4 days, weekend included that it took to get from the very far west end of Canada, to the furthest corner of the south east US.
Im just glad it arrived I suppose, I tried his tabs when he was brand new, and it was totally legit and on par with his advertisement . Suffice to say, I prob wont be placing another order with him for a while, at least until its been proven that his attentiveness and punctuality greatly improve, regardless of how good his L is for the low prices he offers. Also his stealth really sucked, I mean given that its blotter, it would take no more effort to actually hide the shit, rather than just throwing it in with some other papers or what have you.
All in all, im glad its done and over with and both ends are happy with the finishing results. Ill prob be dosing Friday night, Not quite sure if ill drop these or JCs Ava's though. Most likely save the Avatars for special occasions, them shits is the beeees kneees! LOL Well fellas, over and out , Thanks for stopping in!
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Waiting on a 10 strip from tryptonite. Anyone here tried his cid? Been 3 years since I tripped. Planning on taking 3 or 4 hits :o
Hey Bug, I havnt personally tried his products, but ive read lots of good things about him as a vendor and his L alike.
Maybe another member will chime in with some better info for you. At 130 per ten strip, It'd better be bitchen huh lol.. Im sure it is though. Gotta Love the fluff. Though since it'll be your first time dropping in a few years, I would suggest 3 at most. Cause even if their only 90ug or so 270 mics will do you in friend, unless your going balls to wall and looking for ego murder, then 4 or 5. Good luck dude=)
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the beeees kneees! LOL Marvelous :-*
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@ FlyHigh, Had to bring it back a bit LOL 8)
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Waiting on a 10 strip from tryptonite. Anyone here tried his cid? Been 3 years since I tripped. Planning on taking 3 or 4 hits :o
Hey Bug, I havnt personally tried his products, but ive read lots of good things about him as a vendor and his L alike.
Maybe another member will chime in with some better info for you. At 130 per ten strip, It'd better be bitchen huh lol.. Im sure it is though. Gotta Love the fluff. Though since it'll be your first time dropping in a few years, I would suggest 3 at most. Cause even if their only 90ug or so 270 mics will do you in friend, unless your going balls to wall and looking for ego murder, then 4 or 5. Good luck dude=)
Thanks man. I'm hoping he ships it soon, in case they have to shut down SR to straighten out this hacker shit. :-\
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Post a trip report :)
I did just that!
First of all, forgive the TL;DR nature of this trip report. I'm writing it for my own records primarily, but why not share while I'm at it?
So anyway, package came in the mail so I went ahead and wrote "return to sender" in the local scribbles and immediately dropped everything and went out to buy a bubble maker and a shit-ton of fruit and vegetables and stuff.
Came home, got the shit out of the package, and then due to some disappointment tripping with my first purchase of alleged 150ug tabs recently I decided rather than risk under-dosing I'd go with 4 tabs right of the bat. In hindsight I'm not sure I actually needed that much, but I think I made the right choice.
So with the 4 tabs under my tongue, I scramble to handle any new work e-mails and other tedious tasks I don't want to be waiting for me later, but these take longer than expected and 20 minutes in I’m already feeling weird, so I gotta get ready fast.
Although there are lots of places I want to try tipping like karaoke and the aquarium, unfortunately in these parts it's just too big a risk to get caught outside, so as usual I start with a movie. In my paranoia while waiting for the package I actually shipped my real hard drives elsewhere and installed a fresh empty OS and no media files, so I had to pick something with lots of seeders I could get instantly. I picked Yellow Submarine, which I'd seen before but don't really remember.
I don't remember much about how the movie started because apparently I came up really fast, but once I got past the usual (for me) extreme hypothermia and tenseness, the next thing I knew I was fucking INSIDE that movie. I don't know how to explain it except to say that the movie "meta-fullscreened" itself into my brain, but I honestly wasn’t aware of my body or the room for long periods of time. I have a few faint memories of gasping for air, or putting my face right up at the screen with my mouth hanging open in shock and awe of what I was seeing, but basically my entire visual sensory input was just hijacked by the movie and nothing else was there. And what's more I would occasionally feel like I was somehow inside the scenes in some way that is hard to describe.
Anyway that stage is what I call The Coma, because I was basically catatonic.
The next memory I have is seeing like, a screenshot of the room I was in, but it was multiplying and there was this red haze and orange swirl, and I started to feel angry--like REALLY seriously fucking angry. And I realized that I was some kind of Bruce Lee-esque figure out for vengeance. I can't stress enough who visceral and real and palpable that anger was, in spite of it being totally out of nowhere and based on absolutely nothing.
Basically for this short time I honestly didn't know who I was!
So I escaped from this anger via a little game you might call "degrees of self", where I focused on objects and clues around me, and step by step traced them back to remember who I really was. Like, oh yeah, that's what I use for my job, so... oh yeah! I'm that person who does this boring shit for a living; I'm not actually some Kung Fu master out to avenge my father's death!
This entire mini-ego-death probably only lasted 10 seconds, and of course the anger became laughter again, which by the way at one during my trip caused me to fall down on the floor with my sides cramping up really bad because I was laughing so hard. Good times!
The rest is a haze of weird thoughts and just wandering around the house, but one of the more ridiculous thoughts I can remember was that either always had been or had now somehow turned myself into this meat-bag processing device for damned souls to be tormented in, and I was now doomed to live through every unpleasant thought or situation possible from now until I died. Kinda like the Folding@ thing for protein folding for cancer cures, except that Hell was using my brain cycles to process every conceivable torment that could ever exist, one by one, as a way to punish the damned souls, and there was nothing I could do about it.
And what if I'm right?
What if I have to sit here until I die thinking about or living through every horrible thing that could ever be thought of or experienced?
Well, thankfully this batshit line of thinking eventually ended when I got distracted by a bag of chips.
It's worth pointing out that this backwards place I live in doesn’t have central heating, and that combined with the LSD-induced severe hypothermia had me in my ski mask, so in order to eat the chips I had to pull the mask up, temporarily blinding myself.
Did somebody say perfect recipe for popping my CEV cherry?
Next thing I knew I was witnessing this Milkdroppy fractal factory or some shit that was synced with the sound and rhythm of the crunching chips that I couldn't stop shoving down my gullet. I was in the God Damned Dimension of the Fractal Chip-Crunching Factory!
And once the chips were gone (and oh I just know they've made their way straight to my thighs by now boys!), it was time to pull my mask back down.
Then I realized I didn't know what room I was in. So I thought I'd bet myself if I could get it right if I thought for a minute--mentally retraced my steps and shit. So come on, calm down and remember what room you're in, then pull down the mask and see if you're right! Fabulous prizes and more will be yours!
Bad idea!
Now I'm second-guessing whether I'm even in my house at all!
What if I've actually gone outside in another Coma like the one with the movie, and I'm really in the fucking convenience store, and there’s people and cops standing right there watching me, and in this country you're as fucked for being high as you are for being in actual possession, which doesn't fucking matter because walk into my house and I am in fucking possession! And maybe I didn't pay for the chips either (but as Ricky would say, you can't go to jail for "theft under a thousand", heh).
So after 10 seconds or so of contemplating this horrific prospect and preparing to reveal my true unmasked identity to a throng of horrified onlookers and cops and prosecutors and the clerk demanding the cash for the chips I just stole, I convinced myself that there's no way I'm anywhere but my house, so just pull up your damn mask and get on with it you dummy...
Anyway there's some other crazy inside-out CEV shit I'm not even a good enough writer to describe, and even if I could it's like a good joke--doesn't work if you have to explain it. And I've been up for like 30 hours at this point so that's probably good enough for my report. And I hope I get a good grade 'cause I promise I read the whole fucking book!
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very nice trip report anothergirl, glad to see you had fun :) who were those tabs from btw?
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Now I'm second-guessing whether I'm even in my house at all!
great trip report, anothergirl. i once had a similar trip where i started thinking that maybe i wasn't actually in my backyard, but was really in the middle of traffic, and maybe i got hit by a car, and maybe i was dead and somehow re-living the memory of a past event, etc. lol. Funny how acid can make hypothetical future events seem more real than the present.
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Methamphetamine (20-40 mg, i.v.) partially inhibited the effects of LSD when it was given after the start of LSD action. It also shortened the duration of action of LSD to 2-3 h, and modified the LSD-induced perceptual changes and disturbances in spatial-temporal orientation. The subjects became more open to the researchers and their actions were more related to reality than on LSD alone. However, Hoch (1955, 1956b) gave no exact details about the subjects and the experimental design.
Balestirieri (1957) gave amphetamine (20-30 mg, i.v.) to subjects at the height of LSD activity (open, n=8,200ug, p.o.). The effects of both substances were intensified, but not qualitatively modified, accoridng to his observations.
Ritalin is a sympathomimetic drug related to the amphetamines. It was used from 1954 to support psychotherapeutic treatment with LSD (Sandison & Whitelaw, 1957; Ling & Buckman, 1963). ...
In combination with LSD, ritalin caused, 15 min after i.m. injection, perceptual changes with withdrawal tendencies, distortion of the surroundings, and augmented mental activity. Changes in body image and proprioception were noted, as were changes in mood anf effect. Ritalin modified the LSD effects and allowed the application of lowered doses in LSD in therapy (Ling & Buckman, 1963).
In the course of 370 LSD sessions, Kristensen (1962) additionally gave 23 seriously neurotic patents methylphenidate (Ritalin, 30-50mg, i.v.) during 220 sessions. Methylphenidate was administered additively at the height of the LSD effect (150ug, p.o.). The two substances supported each other in their effects. The author developed the hypothesis that LSD caused a process of successively augmented tension, which was discharged by methylphenidate administration. Ling and Buckman (1963) gave methylphenidate 30 min after LSD and observed a reduction of LSD-induced anxiety. Leuner (1981) described the same effects as those described by Ling and Buckman (1963) and Kristenen (1962), based on many years of clinical experience with combination treatment using LSD and methylphenidate. Methylphenidate was administered when the LSD effect began to wane.
From Pharmacology of LSD: A Critical Review by Annelie Hintze, pages 119 to 120.
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So in short, LSD and speed is a great combo, is what I gathered from that little bit of awesome information.LOL.
Great find acidhead. +1 ( if i can) 8)
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Hey every one, I found some bitchen literature about LSD purity, this if from CA.1970. Hope every one enjoys it as much as I did.
"LSD Purity -- Gospel and Heresy
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Table of Contents
I. THE GOSPEL A. The Syllogism B. Empirical Evidence: lsd.data
II. A HERETICAL VIEWPOINT A. An Analysis of the Syllogism B. What lsd.data Proves C. Subjective Evidence Supporting the Heresy D. Weighing Subjective Evidence Against the Gospel E. Anecdotes
III. GUIDEBOOK FOR UNBELIEVERS A. Subjective Indications of Quality B. Precautions C. Storage
IV. THE GOSPEL AND THE POLITICS OF LSD
APPENDIX: Holy Scripture Revisited __________________________________________________ _____________________________
I. THE GOSPEL
In reading alt.drugs.* and the literature on LSD in ftp.hyperreal.com, it is clear that there has emerged a central dogma about LSD purity (and quality). It holds that all acid in the form of blotters is in effect indistinguishable from perfectly manufactured LSD-25. Persons suggesting that there may be variations in quality are derided and told to read the FAQ (holy scripture). The Gospel appears to be based on the following syllogism, and backed up by empirical evidence found in the file lsd.data. Subjective evidence supporting or opposing the Gospel is considered worthless given the importance of set and setting in the LSD experience.
A. The Syllogism
The syllogism on which the Gospel is based goes something like this:
Given that: 1) A typical blotter can only hold about 200 ug of drug material. 2) The d isomer of LSD (LSD-25) is the only drug which is psychoactive in such quantities. Therefore: 3) All illicit 'acid' packaged in blotter form owes all of its psychoactive effects to LSD-25 and thus any difference in subjective or physical effects are entirely due to difference in dose, set, or setting.
I intend to indulge in the heresy of attempting to 'refute' this fundamental tenet of the Gospel, which I will also refer to as 'the Doctrine'. But before proceeding to vent my blasphemies, I support my synopsis of the Doctrine and its supporting syllogism by quoting directly from scripture: (from ftp.hyperreal.com::drugs/psychedelics/lsd/FAQ-LSD)
> ADULTERANTS: > > Several problems are associated with street drugs: their unknown > purity and their unknown strength. Because of its extreme cheapness > and potency, the purity of LSD in blotter form is not an issue: either > it's lsd or untreated paper. The purity of powders, pills, and liquids > cannot be assumed as safe. With regards to uncertain strength, the > strength of hits these days is low, 100 micrograms or so. One should > be careful and assume that the smallest square in a tiling of a sheet > is a dose, even if a printed pattern covers several. An experienced > person could judge the strength of a dose, and if it is assumed all > doses on a sheet have been processed equivalently, those doses would > be calibrated for others, much like anything else. > > .............................. > > From _Psychedelic Chemistry_ by M.V.Smith, 2nd edition p 5: > > "There is a great deal of superstition regarding purification of > psychedelics. Actually, any impurities which may be present as a > result of synthetic procedures will almost certainly be without any > effect on the trip. If there are 200 micrograms of LSD in a tablet, > there could only be 200 mics of impurities present even if the LSD was > originally only 50% pure (assuming nothing else has been added), and > few compounds will produce a significant effect until a hundred to a > thousand times this amount has been ingested. Even mescaline, which > has a rather specific psychedelic effect, requires about a thousand > thimes this amount."
It is interesting to note how much of scripture is based on the immortal words of the true prophet Michael Valentine Smith. See the APPENDIX for blasphemous attacks on this venerable prophet.
B. Empirical Evidence: lsd.data
Although the above argument usually suffices for the faithful, the doubters can retrieve a document 'lsd.data' from the holy archives which lists results of PharmChem analyses of alleged LSD samples in 1973 and 1974. This should remove any doubt that the preparations sold as LSD are in fact the real McCoy.
II. A HERETICAL VIEWPOINT
I intend to advance the heretical viewpoint that there is tremendous variation in the quality of drugs found in blotters, and that few such preparations illicitly available since the mid-1970s even come close to pure LSD-25 in the capacity for expanding consciousness. In the following I first examine the syllogism then move to a discussion of subjective effects and anecdotes about purity.
A: An analysis of the Syllogism
I now proceed to examine the assumptions and conclusions of the syllogism outlined above
1) A blotter can only hold about 200 ug of drug material
Not necessarily true. Blotters vary in size, some weighing up to several milligrams in weight, and I have seen blotters that were saturated with added materials. I will examine (2) and (3) together.
2) Only the d isomer of LSD is active in such quantity 3) All illicit 'acid' packaged in blotter form owes all of its psychoactive effects to LSD-25 and thus any difference in subjective or physical effects are entirely due to difference in dose, set, or setting.
Not true. 1: Several other *known* drugs are active in such quantities. Here are a few, listed with typical psychoactive doses: drug dose (ug) ---- ---------LSD 100-1000 nicotine 300 scopolamine 500 atropine 500 carbachol 200 aminopentamide 500 colchicine 100 fentanyl 100 etorphine 100 resperine 250 Some of these drugs are very cheap and easy to obtain, such as socpolamine and atropine. Even methamphetamine is active in doses as low as 1 mg. 2: LSD-25 may potentiate other materials that are normally inactive. Even minute ammounts of amphetamine can significantly potentiate LSD, and change the quality of the effect. The same may be true of other lysergic acid derivatives and by-products in a blotter. 3: All the discussion I have seen about psychoactive by-products and residues in blotters has focused on known such known products as the 4 isomers of LSD, variations on the anide group, known lysergic amines, etc. The information about these chemicals appears to be based on assays of extraction and synthesis products based on high-quality processes using materials and reagents of pharmaceutical quality. What goes on in illicit drug labs may be an entirely different story. Question: What happens when you substitute the hydrogens on any of the various positions of the lysergic backbone with some other element or compound? How do differences in saturation affect its qualities? If the base molecule is LSD it may still have very high potency, but qualitatively very different (eg: muddled) effects. 4: The mechanism by which LSD alters consciousness is not understood. The fact that only 0.001% of a dose crosses the blood-brain barrier, and it leaves the brain within an hour suggests that it's mechanism of action is very different from most drugs, so generalizations about purity/quality based on other drugs should be used with caution. Perhaps there are phenomena of synchronization, synergy, or resonance in the neural response patterns to LSD that are disrupted or muted by the presence of variants of LSD at LSD receptors (if they exist). We simply don't know, and to pretend we can speak with certainty about such things is to indulge in hubris."
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Continued...
"B: What lsd.data Proves
The analysis results in lsd.data proves that the vast majority of alleged LSD samples analyzed in 1973 and 1974 tested positive for LSD, and did not test positive for whatever other drugs they were testing for. Relevant questions include: How selective were the LSD identification tests used? and How many other drugs were tested for? In any case, based on numerous reports, I believe most of the acid available during those years was of high quality and was similar if not identical to LSD-25. The consistency of quality didn't start to plummet until the mid-1970s, due in part to restricted availability of chemicals required for synthesis. A recent post (arguing in favor of the Doctrine) is instructive.
: > In the 60s, it never seemed that certain charachteristics were assigned to > different batches. Acid was acid. Only when printed blotters really > started taking off in the late 70s (replacing pills, microdots, windowpane, > etc) did people start giving charachteristics to blotter.
C: Subjective Evidence Supporting the Heresy
There is abundant subjective evidence that since the prohibition of LSD, and particularly since the mid-1970s the illicit psychoactive preparations having effective doses in the sub-milligram range (eg-blotters), called acid or LSD, have baseline effects (independent of dose, set, or setting) which vary over a wide spectrum.
This distribution of effects may be highly modal and centralized, with the vast majority of acid available at a given time having very similar effects, perhaps even comming from only a few sources; and this may give users who have only sampled acid for a few years the impression that it's all the same, and thus little reason to doubt it's authenticity or quality.
However, virtually any connoisseur of acid who has a discerning mind and a good memory, and has sampled illicit offerings for several decades (starting in the 60's or early 70's) knows that quality is a very real and important issue. I will leave it to the reader to seek out the opinions of veterans of the the first psychedelic era.
D: Weighing Subjective Evidence Against the Gospel
The syllogism supporting the Doctrine has gaping holes in it. It, in combination with other supporting evidence, may tend to support the case: [a] Most blotter acid is owes most of its activity to lysergic acid derivaties structurally similar to LSD (and perhaps testing positive for it). But it certainly doesn't make the case: All blotter acid owes all of its activity to LSD-25, whose pharmacological action is unmodified by impurities.
What can one learn from subjective experiences induced by acid? The proponents of the central dogma contend that since the effects of LSD are highly susceptible to set, setting, and dose, users' attributions of differences in effects to differences in the drug are groundless. It is true that variables such as set, setting and dose are extremely influential in determining the subjective effects of LSD. In fact the LSD experience is probably more susceptable to these effects than any other drug known. This does not mean that a discerning user is incapable of separating to a significant or high degree such variables from variations in drug quality. It is very much a function of the aptitude and experience of the user. Some people can readily distinguish the effects of pure mescaline from those of the mixture of alkaloids found in Peyote. Others can't distinguish between the distinctly different effects of Psilocybin and LSD.
To illustrate the capacity for discriminating between drug quality and other variables I offer the following metaphor: Think of LSD as a window through which you look into a different world. Your position relative to the window, and what is on the other side represents set and setting. The clarity of the window represents the quality of the drug. Now your position and the scene outside the window can change dramatically, but reguardless you are still capable of perceiving the clarity of the window. Moreover, if you had never looked through a window before, and you were given a cloudy one to look through and told it was LSD, you would have no reason to doubt its authenticity because you have never had the experience of looking through a clear one.
E: Anecdotes
The following accounts are presented as evidence that blotters may contain psychoactive substances that produce effects quite different from LSD. Note that these accounts represent extreme and atypical experiences with blotter acid and are presented to refute the Doctrine, not to counter case [a], above.
1: aluminized LSD? 1978 (5-point star pattern white paper): I went for a bike ride, and took an aluminum canteen that had water sitting in it for a long time. I put blotter on my tounge and washed it down with the canteen water. Within 30 minutes I started to noticed effects, but not like acid. They were very rough and jolting. There was a violent flashing in my visual field. I got off my bike and went into the woods. I started to get jolting, cramping feelings throughout my nervous system. These very unpleasant physical symptoms completely overshadowed any psychic effects. I was undergoing what seemed to be a convulsive attack, and feared for my life. After several hours, the effects diminished, and I rode home. I called my friend who gave me the hits and he was shocked to hear of my experience, having certified that it was good acid. Having complete trust in him, I came up with the hypothesis that aluminum in the water had reacted with the acid to yield a product with strychnine-like effects. I cautiously sampled another hit. This time it was completely smooth with no physical symptoms. Subsequent trips on the same batch were also smooth with normal acid-like psychic effects.
2: tropane acid? 1987 (orange blotters seemingly saturated with material) I have had hundreds of acid trips and one trip on Datura Stranorum (containing tropane alkaloids such as scopolamine). This acid resembled Datura more closely than most other acid I've had. It wasn't very mind-expanding, but was very dreamy, and vision was slightly blurred. The visuals were of the cholinergic type, not the norepinepherin or serotonin type. It had a slightly dissociative effect uncharacteristic of normal acid. There was also a harsh feeling in my heart not unlike one I had on the Datura trip.
3: 'speedy' acid 1979 (red blotter): I have taken a few different blotters which had effects resembling amphetamine more than LSD. This was particularly true of this dose. The effects were already strong after 45 minutes (instead of the 1 hour wait before the start of the climb characteristic of LSD). The depth, subtleties, colors, highly connected patterns, vivid imagination, and multiplicity and liberty of thought characteristic of LSD were absent. Instead there was an urgent matter-of-fact quality of thought; a feeling of being pushed against my will. Color perception was flattened, dominated by monochromes, especially red. Kinesthetic, tactile, and visual perceptions over time seemed to melt into a kind of blur.
III. GUIDEBOOK FOR UNBELIEVERS
A: Subjective Indications of Quality
The following table is provided as a resource for evaluating the effects of acid. Effects of other drugs are listed for comparison purposes. Scores are normalized for dose, meaning that a given score is expressed as a ratio to the overall effect of the drug. Thus, for example, taking larger doses of scopolamine cannot be used to approximate LSD-like synesthetic experiences, as other effects of the drug, such as delirium, get in the way. Similar dose-related phenomena limit the mind-expanding capacities of most acid.
Note: this table is based on extensive but imperfect data, and necessarily involves subjective elements. Readers who disagree with my scoring are encouraged to write me with their opinions, which will all me to improve my data.
code drug ---- ----LSD - LSD-25 LAA - crude lysergic amines, from HBWR Mes - mescaline TMA - TMA Amp - methamphetamine Psi - psilocin Sco - scopolamine & atropine acid - various blotter acid 1975-92
effect LSD LAA Mes TMA Amp Psi Sco acid ------ --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -----pharmacology: dose (mg) 0.3 8 800 30 3 30 2 < 2 onset (hours) 1.0 1.0 0.7 0.5 0.4 0.4 1.5 0.5- 1.0 peak (hours) 3.0 3.5 4.0 3.0 3.0 1.6 3.5 2.0- 3.0 termination (hours) 12 8 15 15 15 6 8 6 - 10 physiological: pupil dilation 7 8 6 5 3 7 9 5 - 9 nausea 1 8 2 2 3 4 0 1 - 8 increased heart rate 2 2 3 4 6 2 4 2 - 7 perceptual: transparency of hallucinations 8 6 5 4 3 4 2 2 - 5 information content of hallucinations 9 9 6 7 2 3 1 1 - 5 symmetry of hallucinations 6 6 9 6 2 4 0 1 - 5 detail of hallucinations 9 3 7 6 1 3 1 0 - 6 sequential afterimages or 'trails' 7 4 8 4 2 4 1 1 - 7 color enhancement 6 2 9 5 1 7 0 0 - 5 Synesthesia 9 4 7 5 2 4 1 1 - 5 cognitive: concentration 7 4 9 5 2 3 0 -3 - 4 association 8 2 7 3 2 5 2 1 - 5 task impairment 2 5 3 2 1 5 9 4 - 9 memory of experience 6 7 9 8 4 6 -5 -2 - 4 subjective: expansiveness 8 2 9 5 1 4 1 1 - 5 time dilation 8 2 5 4 4 6 0 2 - 6 exaggeration, caricature 9 3 5 3 2 7 0 1 - 6 emotive content of hallucinations 5 5 4 3 2 7 8 1 - 4 imagination/fantasy 9 3 7 3 1 5 6 1 - 5 recollective: long-term memory accessibility 9 3 5 3 2 2 -1 -1 - 3 access to subconscious 9 3 6 4 1 3 2 0 - 3 self-perception: ego dissolution 9 6 6 4 1 5 1 2 - 8 out-of-body experience 7 6 5 4 2 5 8 2 - 8 side-effects: post-experience lethargy 0 2 -2 0 3 3 4 0 - 5 residual headaches 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 0 - 6
B: Precautions
Beware of blotters which have a bitter tast or appear to be stained with color. LSD is tasteless and colorless. When first sampling acid from a batch of unknown quality, take a fraction of a dosage unit to ascertain the quality and strength of effects. Pay attention to the onset, and duration of effects, and to side effects. If the experience is smooth, free of noticable side effects, and matches the profile of LSD reasonably well, consider doubling the dosage next time (after at least 3 days have elapsed).
C: Storage
Oxygen, UV light, and moisture degrade LSD, and the rate of most reactions increases at least with the square of the absolute temperature. Therefore it should be kept tightly wrapped in cellophane (crinkly) plastic (not polyethylene or aluminum, which may react with it), and, if feasible, refrigerated. It may also help to sprinkle some ascorbic acid crystals (vitamin C) in the package to act as an oxygen scavenger.
III. THE GOSPEL AND THE POLITICS OF LSD
The proponents of the Gospel seem to be motivated by a desire to dispell fears about the quality and adulteration of acid which discourage experimentation. Quoting from the FAQ:
> (It is common for the uninformed to harbor fears (e.g., about adulterants) > instilled by ignorance and the current hysteria/propoganda. That's why this > FAQ exists.)
It goes to some length to (correctly) dispell the myth of strychnine adulteration. However it does not credibly address the possibility of other adulterants or the possibility of the presence of LSD-analogs which could greatly alter the effect.
I do not question the sincerity or motives of those who promulgate the Doctrine; only their uncritical and dogmatic adherence to an apparently logical conclusion. I believe that while attempting to counteract the mis-understanding and mis-information, about psychedelic drugs endemic to our culture, they are unwittingly doing a great dis-service in contending that most acid is indistinguishable from perfect LSD. As an entire generation accepts the conventional wisdom that the often mediocre psychedelic preparations called acid are one and the same with LSD, the memory of the most mind-expanding and liberating drug ever discovered is being buried."
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Awesome article. I wonder how a hit of blotter paper holds 1500 mics of NBOMe or molecules with a similar potency. The article says 200 mics is the maximum absorption. Maybe the paper comes in different densities or thickness. Maybe some molecules are more compacted and the paper will hold greater amounts. I think that everybody who has dosed with different batches of LSD would agree that quality definitely varies. As I mentioned in my previous post, Owsley went to work, in America, on manufacturing a purer form of LSD when Sandoz labs located in Basil, Switzerland was the only other major manufacturer at the time. It seems that he was successful in doing so.
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Awesome article. I wonder how a hit of blotter paper holds 1500 mics of NBOMe or molecules with a similar potency. The article says 200 mics is the maximum absorption. Maybe the paper comes in different densities or thickness. Maybe some molecules are more compacted and the paper will hold greater amounts. I think that everybody who has dosed with different batches of LSD would agree that quality definitely varies. As I mentioned in my previous post, Owsley went to work, in America, on manufacturing a purer form of LSD when Sandoz labs located in Basil, Switzerland was the only other major manufacturer at the time. It seems that he was successful in doing so.
Thanks dude, But keep in mind that article was written in the 70's..so lots of that info is far out dated, I just found it very interesting. Much love friend.
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very nice trip report anothergirl, glad to see you had fun :) who were those tabs from btw?
Got a sheet of the 1000 hands (or whatever) print from 3jane. Too bad I took so much I can't really say anything about the potency :)
It's taking a lot of willpower but I'm hoping to wait at least 5 days and then try again with 2 tabs. Maybe go to a karaoke box alone and pre-pay 7 hours of time and trip outside but inside at the same time, with unlimited heater use!
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was. Like, oh yeah, that's what I use for my job, so... oh yeah! I'm that person who does this boring shit for a living; I'm not actually some Kung Fu master out to avenge my father's death!
This entire mini-ego-death probably only lasted 10 seconds, and of course the anger became laughter again, which by the way at one during my trip caused me to fall down on the floor with my sides cramping up really bad because I was laughing so hard. Good times!
The rest is a haze of weird thoughts and just wandering around the house, but one of the more ridiculous thoughts I can remember was that either always had been or had now somehow turned myself into this meat-bag processing device for damned souls to be tormented in, and I was now doomed to live through every unpleasant thought or situation possible from now until I died. Kinda like the Folding@ thing for protein folding for cancer cures, except that Hell was using my brain cycles to process every conceivable torment that could ever exist, one by one, as a way to punish the damned souls, and there was nothing I could do about it.
And what if I'm right?
What if I have to sit here until I die thinking about or living through every horrible thing that could ever be thought of or experienced?
Well, thankfully this batshit line of thinking eventually ended when I got distracted by a bag of chips.
It's worth pointing out that this backwards place I live in doesn’t have central heating, and that combined with the LSD-induced severe hypothermia had me in my ski mask, so in order to eat the chips I had to pull the mask up, temporarily blinding myself.
Did somebody say perfect recipe for popping my CEV cherry?
Next thing I knew I was witnessing this Milkdroppy fractal factory or some shit that was synced with the sound and rhythm of the crunching chips that I couldn't stop shoving down my gullet. I was in the God Damned Dimension of the Fractal Chip-Crunching Factory!
And once the chips were gone (and oh I just know they've made their way straight to my thighs by now boys!), it was time to pull my mask back down.
Then I realized I didn't know what room I was in. So I thought I'd bet myself if I could get it right if I thought for a minute--mentally retraced my steps and shit. So come on, calm down and remember what room you're in, then pull down the mask and see if you're right! Fabulous prizes and more will be yours!
Bad idea!
Now I'm second-guessing whether I'm even in my house at all!
What if I've actually gone outside in another Coma like the one with the movie, and I'm really in the fucking convenience store, and there’s people and cops standing right there watching me, and in this country you're as fucked for being high as you are for being in actual possession, which doesn't fucking matter because walk into my house and I am in fucking possession! And maybe I didn't pay for the chips either (but as Ricky would say, you can't go to jail for "theft under a thousand", heh).
So after 10 seconds or so of contemplating this horrific prospect and preparing to reveal my true unmasked identity to a throng of horrified onlookers and cops and prosecutors and the clerk demanding the cash for the chips I just stole, I convinced myself that there's no way I'm anywhere but my house, so just pull up your damn mask and get on with it you dummy...
Anyway there's some other crazy inside-out CEV shit I'm not even a good enough writer to describe, and even if I could it's like a good joke--doesn't work if you have to explain it. And I've been up for like 30 hours at this point so that's probably good enough for my report. And I hope I get a good grade 'cause I promise I read the whole fucking book!
You would be fun to trip with.
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You would be fun to trip with.
I doubt the world will ever know if you're right.
I knew one person I MIGHT be comfortable broaching the subject with, and when I did so by commenting on the recent victories in Colorado and Washington, they said something like, "Now we'll just see what kind of crazy crime pits those places become with marijuana legal". And when I tried to argue by asking why alcohol and tobacco and coffee were special among all the drugs, they said they I was making them uncomfortable, they didn't want to talk about it, and didn't know I was "that kind of person". And we're no longer friends just because of that. And that was the MOST liberal-ish person I knew. "Drugrbadmkay" is like a religion for some people. They just plug their ears.
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You would be fun to trip with.
I doubt the world will ever know if you're right.
I knew one person I MIGHT be comfortable broaching the subject with, and when I did so by commenting on the recent victories in Colorado and Washington, they said something like, "Now we'll just see what kind of crazy crime pits those places become with marijuana legal". And when I tried to argue by asking why alcohol and tobacco and coffee were special among all the drugs, they said they I was making them uncomfortable, they didn't want to talk about it, and didn't know I was "that kind of person". And we're no longer friends just because of that. And that was the MOST liberal-ish person I knew. "Drugrbadmkay" is like a religion for some people. They just plug their ears.
sounds like you all were never really friends :(.. But i understand, I trip alone. nobody in my circle does...i guess its better that way because i don't party as hard as i would if i had a party pal. ;)
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Mann.. I would turn you two into partayy animallssss! LOL Sucks we have to keep the community so anonymous =/
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Mann.. I would turn you two into partayy animallssss! LOL Sucks we have to keep the community so anonymous =/
Eventually we'll graduate from the darknet. In time. =)
Looking forward to it brother typtap.
On another note, a buddy and I just dropped 3 of NSCs Hunabs, doubt ill be updating tnight, but tm for sure guys 8)
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http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=4f40f43af99b38962ef65cc2c7be100d.jpg
That pic you wanted to see DB.
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OK figured I'll post some feedback/trip report on Typtonite's WoW LSD.
It took a few days for trypt to send the order, but he messaged me and let me know what was going on, which most vendors wouldn't do. It seems like he really values his customers. All in all, it took 6 days from ordered to received, which is still very fast compared to what I'm used to.
The packaging was TOP NOTCH. Some of the best I've seen. It made me laugh a little and all I'll say is that I don't think a postal inspector would EVER suspect the parcel.
Ok on to the trip report:
Tolerance: I haven't done LSD in 3 years but I have been doing 25c and 25i recently. About once a week. Tripped on 25i about a week and a half before dosing the cid.
My girl and I dropped 2 hits as soon as I received. No bitter taste or anything. After about 30 mins I decided to go to the mall. I was starting to feel floaty and slight visuals as we pulled into the mall. All the people Christmas shopping were freaking me out so we just got some ice cream and left. By the time we got home it had been about 1 1/2 hours since I dropped and I still wasn't feeling too much, so I figured it might not be too strong, so I dropped another. Turns out too be stronger than I suspected. Seems like as soon as I swallowed the 3rd hit, the first 2 hit me full force. Wasn't SUPER strong but I was having great spiritual feelings, very nice visuals, and everything seemed so magical. After that, me and my girl decided to go to the beach and chill for a few minutes, but ended up stuck there for a few hours. The visuals were AWESOME. The 3rd hit seemed to hit me at the beach and we wandered around for hours, soaking in all the good vibes from the ocean. We watched a beautiful full color spectrum sunset over the ocean that was just unexplainable. After we left the beach, I started to develop a headache, which really sucks. However, I don't think it had anything to do with the LSD. I just seem to get headaches often, about once a week. This was a very inopportune time to get a headache and it kinda made my trip less enjoyable. Anyway, I still had a decent time at home watching TV and hanging with my girl. By the way, she reported not feeling too much, BUT she did 25c the night before. I had told her not to but oh well. My headache seemed to ease a bit as I relaxed, and I had a nice smooth comedown and was able to sleep fine when it wore off. Trip lasted about 12 hours total.
Conclusion: Acid was not as strong as I thought it would be. One thing I noticed was I didn't have many giggle fits, which I thought was kinda odd, but heavy visuals and dreamlike head space. I don't know much about microgram dosage, because acid has always just been sold to me as acid. I have no reason not to believe that they are not 90-95 ug as advertised. No where near the strongest LSD I've done, but also not the weakest. I would say they don't seem worth more than $10 ea, but I am willing to pay the extra $30 for the great service. Also, LSD is very hard to find where I'm at.
SATISFIED
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Post a trip report :)
Well, thankfully this batshit line of thinking eventually ended when I got distracted by a bag of chips.
lol.
Oh man, good laughs.
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Much love and good vibes from all acidheads! : ) In the end of January I'm going to drop ~450uq, 3 hofmanns by alex grey or avatars from Jerseycow if he re-stock OR from JesusOfRave 1,5 tab of his new year stuff - 300uq/tab excellent shit (I tried lotus and christs - best acid ever) but I also tried Hofmanns from jerseycow - also amazing acid... It's good to have good community and reliable vendors ! Merry Xmas !
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Hat tip to "CharasBros" for finding this.
HANDBOOK
FOR
THE THERAPEUTIC USE OF
LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE-25
INDIVIDUAL AND GROUP PROCEDURES
1959
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/guides/handbook_lsd25.shtml
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Today I took the leap and risked tripping outisde. Went ahead and stayed conservative with the dose, dropping 2.5 of 3Jane's 90mcg tabs--even though at home that does nothing for me--on my way to the aquarium. Turned out to be about right.
On a whim I took a few of my favorite albums, layered in some bubbly sfx and applied a subtle underwater reverb effect and listened to music while going through the whole thing 3 times.
As I had suspected, the giant spider crabs were scary as fuck, but other than that it was pretty cool. Nice and dark so it helped with the paranoia.
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It made me warm and toasty to find this thread here. :)
Love me some Chinacat.
In fact, was just telling a friend about his thumbprint yesterday.
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Hey guys!
I was wondering if LSD had anything to do with how large you're?
What I'm trying to say is, does the dosage differ of different body sizes? Like a 100kg person takes 2 tabs, and for a 50kg person that would be 4 tabs?
I hope you understood my question:P
All the very best to all of you!
~~sitamaja
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LSD isn`t moved and sold like the cartel`s move coke and such. It`s handled by a brotherhood of people who truly believe there doing the work of god(or whatever name you call creation). We believe that LSD crystal has to be handled by the right people who are totally committed to the movement.
When we moved crystal there was always the feeling that we were protected by a higher power. I can`t tell you how many times i have had crystal or acid on me or my brothers and have been in situation`s where we should have gotten busted and something always protected us. So many times that coincidence is not an option. Why do i think we were protected. Because the family does it for mankind not money. We viewed LSD as the only hope for the radical change in conciousness that would save us. So in effect we viewed are work as the work of God. You know why they never busted a family lab? Because we would never betray LSD. Just as Jesus was nailed to the cross we were willing to spend the rest of our lives in jail or die to protect what we viewed as the salvation of are species. Sound`s a little dramatic doesn`t it, but i`m trying to give you an understanding of the faith in LSD that the family has.
By the way the Kansas bust was not a family lab incase anybody is wondering. The point i`m trying to make is the family believes LSD has to move through the right hands. This is why you can`t go down to the corner and get a gram of crystal. sorry to ramble.
As some of the cooks retire i rest assure you that they pass there recipes and secret`s down to those chosen to continue to fight the good fight. I don`t think it will ever be as readily available all over the country as it once was due to the break up of the distribution cycle of tour. I could be wrong and hope i am.
Alot of old family have moved on and including myself retired, feeling we served our time. The family does hear your cry`s for more acid and they don`t plan on giving up on mankind. Now's a good time for labs to be inactive. the current government administration is viewed as a bad storm that needs to pass as jerry sang "all good things in all good time" Keep the faith"
Only about this far into reading back over it and I'm already getting emotional. If the world *ever* needed it, it's now.
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Hey guys!
I was wondering if LSD had anything to do with how large you're?
What I'm trying to say is, does the dosage differ of different body sizes? Like a 100kg person takes 2 tabs, and for a 50kg person that would be 4 tabs?
I hope you understood my question:P
All the very best to all of you!
~~sitamaja
I've read a lot of info that this isn't the case, but I'd bet it does have some effect. And probably the effect would be a little stronger if you swallowed rather than tongued the tab. But the information I've been able to find is contradictory and it tends to lean toward weight not having much of an effect.
However, it would seem that some people require higher doses to get the same effect regardless of body weight, so apparently you could have a skinny guy tripping less off the same dose as a fat guy and you just have to learn what works for you.
My personal theory is that bigger and smarter brains require more, because I have a much higher threshold than my friends :p
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Hey guys!
I was wondering if LSD had anything to do with how large you're?
What I'm trying to say is, does the dosage differ of different body sizes? Like a 100kg person takes 2 tabs, and for a 50kg person that would be 4 tabs?
I hope you understood my question:P
All the very best to all of you!
~~sitamaja
I've read a lot of info that this isn't the case, but I'd bet it does have some effect. And probably the effect would be a little stronger if you swallowed rather than tongued the tab. But the information I've been able to find is contradictory and it tends to lean toward weight not having much of an effect.
However, it would seem that some people require higher doses to get the same effect regardless of body weight, so apparently you could have a skinny guy tripping less off the same dose as a fat guy and you just have to learn what works for you.
My personal theory is that bigger and smarter brains require more, because I have a much higher threshold than my friends :p
that woman in your avatar, whoever it is, is the most beautiful woman i have ever laid my eyes upon
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that woman in your avatar, whoever it is, is the most beautiful woman i have ever laid my eyes upon
She's hard to recognize in that pic, but it's Sarah from Trailer Park Boys.
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Ok, after reading what follows these two sentences, this next one will make sense. Mr. Spokesperson, I move that we have a new category that is beyond the BAD vendors that we will just call the WORST vendors. ;-D The effing audacity this guy has. (And sorry to beat a dead horse, but if someone was still holding onto faith for an order from him, consider the fat lady's voice hoarse.
GetYourFix(78) Do you plan on making things right or not? Hell, I will ship the 40 or so drops back to wherever the fuck they came from. I mean you want to hit on everyone being refunded and good communication on the majority of your feedback. I'm the person who has had your back and let you trample all over my good name. I didn't have to make you look bad. You did that by all the shady things you did. Now, you refuse to refund my 150 that I gave you to open your account. Just know that if you don't want to make things whole, I'm more than happy to send my friends at vendor support a message about your behavior and see how long your account lasts. Anyhow, I'm not trying to be a dick, never wanted to be, but unfortunately, that's apparently what you want out of this. Make my transaction whole sooner than later, or I will take it up with vendor support. It's not that I'm in need of the coins. I'd be even more happy with what I was supposed to receive to begin with. You want to throw your hurtful words around, yet you can't type a sentence to tell me what it is I was ingesting besides low grade crystal that was clearly nowhere near 93%. Hell, I'd be shocked if that crystal is stronger than 60%. Absolutely shocked. I see you were online today, so I will give you 24 hours to get back to me. Remember, feedback can always change. Almost as easily as it can be left the same. Don't think I'm blackmailing you for feedback by any stretch. You will get what's owed to you as far as that goes. I just think it's very unprofessional to make sure everyone is taken care of except me. I mean, I honestly thought that you were legit and would be a longterm vendor here. The hours I've spent having to defend myself because people thought I was your reshipper would blow your mind. There are still people who don't believe me. If you can't see where that's fucked up, no one can.
Jimmy Buffett(90) I planned on refunding you first before everyone but frankly I dont appreciate the way you handled this at all...
Happy Holidays
Jimmy B
GetYourFix(78) And in what way, Jimmy? You are a piece of work.
GetYourFix(78) I didn't even begin to make you look bad until you send me that rude ass message.This is ridiculous. Keep the fucking coins and keep your bullshit "acid". I would flush it down the toilet, but I care about the water cycle too much to do that. There ya go, buddy. YOU WIN!!! This is beyond childish. It's my own damn fault though, so don't think I'm angry at you. I should have caught myself being too generous as people tend to take advantage of an abundance of kindness. Think about it dude, I waited a WEEK before you actually (or whoever) sent it. I thought it was out, and for whatever reason was just about the very LAST one to receive from when shipped with everyone else's, so I was patient for an extra two weeks longer than second to last person to receive in the same drop. SR would have suspended your vendor account if you continued with your bullshit like you did with everyone else for the same amount of time I was reassuring everyone it would be ok.You enjoy your chump change and be on your way, sir. No one seems to care for the way that you conduct yourself here other than your other personalities that log in to the forums to give you some support. And yes, this is gonna be copy/pasted in the forums before you have a chance to read it all.
Happy fucking holidays to you as well,
GYF
You have some fucking audacity, friend. Please just cease communications. I had almost forgot about all of it. Why not just take your 1 of 5 and ignore me like you're so good at doing. Something that sums this up more than anything is that you can't even give me (at the very least) an apology back. I mean one would think that someone in your position would have the word,"sorry," stuck in his damn head. Take care of yourself. Maybe you will treat people differently if you can manage to order some from a vendor here without them finding out it's you. Like I had said, we're done talking about this. Your messages will simply be deleted if sent. If you can't tell by now, I can take the asshole thing above and beyond if that's what you want. Which it probably was seeing the effort you put into it ;-D
P.s. Fuck off.
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Great thread :)
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Thanks dude, Ive been a bit absent , due to life an lots of L lol. Ill be back with some interesting tales, soon enough
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Thanks dude, Ive been a bit absent , due to life an lots of L lol. Ill be back with some interesting tales, soon enough
i'm so happy you started this thread way back when i first posted the idea, it has blossomed into something awesome :) hope everything is going well with you DB, and you have a great weekend and year filled with positive energy, positive vibes, positive karma, peace, smiles, love & light :)
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Ah, what an awesome thread! I love discussing psychedelics with people lol so glad there is a thread about LSD. Anyone out here seem to be tolerant to it? I have been sober for a few months just to see what's going on but every time I try L, it never works for me. Heck, the only visuals I've had were of the ceiling BARELY moving lmao, that's about it.
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Ah, what an awesome thread! I love discussing psychedelics with people lol so glad there is a thread about LSD. Anyone out here seem to be tolerant to it? I have been sober for a few months just to see what's going on but every time I try L, it never works for me. Heck, the only visuals I've had were of the ceiling BARELY moving lmao, that's about it.
that sucks. maybe weak or not lsd. did you use a SR vendor?
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Ah, what an awesome thread! I love discussing psychedelics with people lol so glad there is a thread about LSD. Anyone out here seem to be tolerant to it? I have been sober for a few months just to see what's going on but every time I try L, it never works for me. Heck, the only visuals I've had were of the ceiling BARELY moving lmao, that's about it.
You just need to take a higher dose. Each four tabs 400ug
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This place is a mess..DB needs to clean it up..someone had a wild party and the bathroom in all messed up..beer bottles everywhere...and i found a used condom on my way in.. :P...DB where are you? properly with those circus contortionist twin sisters from the circus...that rode in here a week ago... ;D crazy Mofo
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make DB a moderator NOW
he has served the community very well
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Ah, what an awesome thread! I love discussing psychedelics with people lol so glad there is a thread about LSD. Anyone out here seem to be tolerant to it? I have been sober for a few months just to see what's going on but every time I try L, it never works for me. Heck, the only visuals I've had were of the ceiling BARELY moving lmao, that's about it.
that sucks. maybe weak or not lsd. did you use a SR vendor?
I've never had the chance to buy on SR until yesterday, so everything has been from my city. I've been scammed so many times by fake lsd and the other times it was just really weak. So I got fed up and decided to buy some off of here, and I can't wait lol
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Ah, what an awesome thread! I love discussing psychedelics with people lol so glad there is a thread about LSD. Anyone out here seem to be tolerant to it? I have been sober for a few months just to see what's going on but every time I try L, it never works for me. Heck, the only visuals I've had were of the ceiling BARELY moving lmao, that's about it.
that sucks. maybe weak or not lsd. did you use a SR vendor?
I've never had the chance to buy on SR until yesterday, so everything has been from my city. I've been scammed so many times by fake lsd and the other times it was just really weak. So I got fed up and decided to buy some off of here, and I can't wait lol
i recommend vitacat and 3jane
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Ah, what an awesome thread! I love discussing psychedelics with people lol so glad there is a thread about LSD. Anyone out here seem to be tolerant to it? I have been sober for a few months just to see what's going on but every time I try L, it never works for me. Heck, the only visuals I've had were of the ceiling BARELY moving lmao, that's about it.
that sucks. maybe weak or not lsd. did you use a SR vendor?
I've never had the chance to buy on SR until yesterday, so everything has been from my city. I've been scammed so many times by fake lsd and the other times it was just really weak. So I got fed up and decided to buy some off of here, and I can't wait lol
i recommend vitacat and 3jane
How many did you need to take to have visuals for each vendor?
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How many did you need to take to have visuals for each vendor?
3jane's acid i took last summer... and i think she is now getting her acid from a difference source. but back then i only needed one to get visuals.
vitacat's were much stronger (maya blotters, 250ug per hit) and i only needed half to get visuals
i am sensitive to psychedelics and drugs in general though...for example i only need 5mg of adderall to get high
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3jane's acid i took last summer... and i think she is now getting her acid from a difference source. but back then i only needed one to get visuals.
vitacat's were much stronger (maya blotters, 250ug per hit) and i only needed half to get visuals
i am sensitive to psychedelics and drugs in general though...for example i only need 5mg of adderall to get high
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Ok, thanks man. I'll go check out these vendors when I actually get more btc lol.
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Thanks dude, Ive been a bit absent , due to life an lots of L lol. Ill be back with some interesting tales, soon enough
i'm so happy you started this thread way back when i first posted the idea, it has blossomed into something awesome :) hope everything is going well with you DB, and you have a great weekend and year filled with positive energy, positive vibes, positive karma, peace, smiles, love & light :)
Hey Anon, yea dude, you lit a fire under my ass, and we got it done brother. Unfortunately though, things have not been sunshine & rainbows for me this past month or so. I have been getting through though never the less, thanks to a will of steel, and weekly 5 strips LOL. I appreciate all your support. Much love bro.
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This place is a mess..DB needs to clean it up..someone had a wild party and the bathroom in all messed up..beer bottles everywhere...and i found a used condom on my way in.. :P...DB where are you? properly with those circus contortionist twin sisters from the circus...that rode in here a week ago... ;D crazy Mofo
Shit your telln me LOL. I havnt seen fuckery of this magnitude since the riot of 66' in the Bronx,NY hehe (wasnt really there). I been at a seriously low point for a while now, got lots of troubles going on, so I havnt been around to handle my business, and show face as I usually do, but im here now, and here comes the BOOM 8) Much love brother
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Ah, what an awesome thread! I love discussing psychedelics with people lol so glad there is a thread about LSD. Anyone out here seem to be tolerant to it? I have been sober for a few months just to see what's going on but every time I try L, it never works for me. Heck, the only visuals I've had were of the ceiling BARELY moving lmao, that's about it.
Hey Shadow, im glad you enjoy this thing of ours here, I hope the information and chatter here serves you well on your LSD expeditions. That being said, I must ask that you refrain from carrying on small talk, this can be done through PMs, yes, it is the all things L discussion thread, but if its personal back & forth amongst two members, PM is the preferred method. Much love friend
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make DB a moderator NOW
he has served the community very well
LOL thanks dude, prob wont be happening anytime soon though8)
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Sid Vicious! Its supposed to be warm this weekend. I hope my 3janes arrive before then. I have yet to try her goods but I ordered 25.
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Sid Vicious! Its supposed to be warm this weekend. I hope my 3janes arrive before then. I have yet to try her goods but I ordered 25.
You will in no way be disappointed my friend. Janes shit is some of the best of the best available on the Road, with excellent prices to boot.
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Ok guys, been a little too quiet around this here corner of the forums, I know ive been very absent in this thread, and for this I offer my apologize.
How about some light reading??
"LSD from the Black Market
Nonmedicinal LSD consumption can bring dangers of an entirely different type than
hitherto discussed: for most of the LSD offered in the drug scene is of unknown origin.
LSD preparations from the black market are unreliable when it comes to both quality and
dosage. They rarely contain the declared quantity, but mostly have less LSD, often none
at all, and sometimes even too much. In many cases other drugs or even poisonous
substances are sold as LSD. These observations were made in our laboratory upon
analysis of a great number of LSD samples from the black market. They coincide with
the experiences of national drug control departments.
The unreliability in the strength of LSD preparations on the illicit drug market can lead
to dangerous overdosage. Overdoses have often proved to be the cause of failed LSD
experiments that led to severe psychic and physical breakdowns. Reports of alleged fatal
LSD poisoning, however, have yet to be confirmed. Close scrutiny of such cases
invariably established other causative factors.
The following case, which took place in 1970, is cited as an example of the possible
dangers of black market LSD. We received for investigation from the police a drug
powder distributed as LSD. It came from a young man who was admitted to the hospital
in critical condition and whose friend had also ingested this preparation and died as a
result. Analysis showed that the powder contained no LSD, but rather the very poisonous
alkaloid strychnine.
If most black market LSD preparations contained less than the stated quantity and
often no LSD at all, the reason is either deliberate falsification or the great instability of
this substance. LSD is very sensitive to air and light. It is oxidatively destroyed by the
oxygen in the air and is transformed into an inactive substance under the influence of
light. This must be taken into account during the synthesis and especially during the
production of stable, storable forms of LSD. Claims that LSD may easily be prepared, or
that every chemistry student in a half-decent laboratory is capable of producing it, are
untrue. Procedures for synthesis of LSD have indeed been published and are accessible to
everyone. With these detailed procedures in hand, chemists would be able to carry out the
synthesis, provided they had pure lysergic acid at their disposal; its possession today,
however, is subject to the same strict regulations as LSD. In order to isolate LSD in pure
crystalline form from the reaction solution and in order to produce stable preparations,
however, special equipment and not easily acquired specific experience are required,
owing (as stated previously) to the great instability of this substance.
Only in completely oxygen-free ampoules protected from light is LSD absolutely
stable. Such ampoules, containi ng 100 μg (= 0.1 mg) LSD-tartrate (tartaric acid salt of
LSD) in 1 cc of aqueous solution, were produced for biological research and medicinal
use by the Sandoz firm. LSD in tablets prepared with additives that inhibit oxidation,
while not absolutely stable, at least keeps for a longer time. But LSD preparations often
found on the black market-LSD that has been applied in solution onto sugar cubes or
blotting paper-decompose in the course of weeks or a few months.
With such a highly potent substance as LSD, the correct dosage is of paramount
importance. Here the tenet of Paracelsus holds good: the dose determines whether a
substance acts as a remedy or as a poison. A controlled dosage, however, is not possible
with preparations from the black market, whose active strength is in no way guaranteed.
One of the greatest dangers of non-medicinal LSD experiments lies, therefore, in the use
of such preparations of unknown provenience."
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From LSD: Cleanliness Is Next To Godliness by Bruce Eisner in 1977
Originally Published in High Times
In the late 1940s, psychologists began experimenting with LSD as a "psychotomimetic" drug - one that causes the taker temporarily to mime the condition of psychosis. Some experimental subjects, however, and eventually some modern mystics like Aldous Huxley, Allen Ginsberg, and Alan Watts discovered in LSD a shortcut to the ecstasy and egolessness of nirvana. LSD was recognized as the switch that turned on the clear light of the void.
Today's acid trip, however, is far more likely to resemble a live TV broadcast in runny color from the from seat of a roller coaster or a scene from The Exorcist. The decline in psychedelic quality over the years, which resembles the degeneration of Christianity and Russian Communism, has been a consequence of greed and opportunism on the part of manufactures and distributors. They offer to substitute immediate sensory gratifications for the original spiritual ideals. But the history of underground chemistry is also one of ingenuity and courage though influenced by haste and amateurishness. Its is the story of how LSD-25, the most powerful and spiritual molecule known to humanity became a "street drug."
Originally all LSD was made by Sandoz Pharmaceutical company, which had developed the chemical and hoped to market it commercially. It came in glass ampules filled with blue liquid, or small tablets in bottles with pharmaceutical labels specifying strength.
With underground LSD use came underground manufacture. The first recorded underground laboratory was set up by Bernard Roseman in 1962. Roseman, who now lives in seclusion in Oregon, was later arrested for allegedly attempting to smuggle 62,000 doses of LSD. In his LSD and the Age of the Mind, he has this account of the first manufacture of LSD of less than pharmaceutical quality:
"I have already invested a year - on and off - and all the money I could save on this project, and I was at the point of admitting defeat. At this time, I was naturally reading everything I could lay my hands upon about ergot alkaloids. I stumbled upon a few articles that at first seemed quite unrelated to LSD, but they were logical and worth a try; because by comparison the process was exceedingly simple, compared to Hofmann's monumental preparation.
I obtained new starting material and worked it up to the point I was sure was correct, where I had d-lysergic acid monohydrate, quite useless by itself but the prerequisite for making LSD-25 by any system. The rest of my ordered materials arrived and I was ready to proceed. After so many repeated failures, I couldn't accept the possibility that this few-day procedure would work.
I went ahead nevertheless, though pessimistically, so that my seemingly apparent failure would not bother me too much. I worked with extreme care, protecting anything from heat and light. At the last step, when I was recrystallizing the few grams I had obtained, I was filtering the crystals off by vacuum and using ether. When all the ether evaporated , the substance started to absorb moisture from the atmosphere and was turning black before my eyes. All my work was gone: I stood there shocked unable to move for a moment. My hands instinctively grabbed an alcohol bottle and I pored it over the black decomposed material hoping to salvage something. I separated it with water and disheartedly took the black mess home. All night I tossed and turned and dreamt horrible, unrelated dreams.
At the first crack of dawn, I jumped out of bed, grabbed the flask from the refrigerator, poured a teaspoonful and drank it down. I went back to bed and turned on Wagner's Parsifal. Minutes passed by and nothing seemed to happen. I had psychologically prepared myself for failure, so I just closed my eyes and lay back an listened to the wonderful sounds of Wagner. In my concentration, I failed to notice that the music was getting slowly louder and instead of just my ears hearing, all my senses seemed to encompass the sound., and instead of hearing the music - I was the music!
Beautiful, soft colors emerged and exploded as climates of tone were achieved. An immediate understanding of the composer's intentions was revealed to me; I was being taken on a heavenly excursion into the world of pure sound and emotion. All at once, I sprang up with joy. I was in the state of LSD - my own LSD which I had made. I was deliriously happy and proud of my success."
LSD is a translucent crystal; this was a black mess. Thus, the first underground LSD was also the first impure batch, and its distribution may, somewhere, have incurred the first unfavorable consumer reaction.
By 1965, use had increased sharply. Most acid at this time came in sugar cubes dropped with liquid Sandoz or some type of underground LSD. What percentage of the material was Sandoz is left to future determination. Augustus Stanley Owsley III, unable to obtain any pharmaceutical LSD, began to manufacture his own - first in Los Angeles in '65, then in nearby Point Richmond in '66.
Owsley's fellow alchemist, Tim Scully, admitted to me that the 1965 batch was impure, but claims that Owsley and he perfected a purification process in 1966. Many who used both Sandoz and Owsley - the latter came in tablets of purple (Purple Haze) and white (White Lightning) of 270 micrograms - say that Owsley acid was less mystical and had more stimulant side reactions than the Sandoz product.
Timothy Leary, who realized that impurities were a threat to the spreading psychedelic revolution, uttered prophetic words of warning at a Senate committee hearing in 1966, in exchange with Teddy Kennedy:
Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts: "What is it in the quality that you are frightened about?"
Dr. Leary: "We do not want amateur or black-market sale or distribution of LSD."
Senator Kennedy: "Why not?"
Dr. Leary: "Or the barbiturates or liquor. When you buy a bottle of liquor-"
Senator Kennedy: "This is not responsive. As to LSD, why do you not want it?"
Dr. Leary: "On possession?"
Senator Kennedy: "Why do you not want the indiscriminate manufacture and distribution? Is it because it is dangerous?"
Dr. Leary: "Because you do not know what you are getting..."
Despite Leary's warning, LSD was made illegal on October 16, 1966.
Owsley acid was the first large-scale commercialization of LSD. There were other smaller LSD laboratories before Owsley, and there were scores of laboratories that put out LSD at the same time that Owsley did. Some were making LSD of a purer form; the majority made it much worse.
After Owsley was arrested in 1967 at his tabbing facility at Orinda, California, his protege Scully set up a laboratory with Nicholas Sand, another alchemist long involved in the psychedelic scene. They manufactured a quantity of ALD-52 - a cousin to LSD, which they called Sunshine - in large crumbly orange tablets of 270 micrograms or so. [Erowid Note: Though it was claimed at the time that they were producing ALD-52, we now believe that they were, in fact, producing LSD.]
In the spring of 1969, Ron Stark, then a chemist with a European LSD factory and now a fugitive, allegedly began supplying underground acid to the Brotherhood of Eternal Love. Since the Brotherhood was also, by this time, distributing ALD-52, and since both drugs were tabbed into identical pills (except for a few early blue tablets of ALD-52), many people didn't realize that there was more than one kind of Sunshine. Many counterfeit versions soon appeared on the market, most of which were impure, according to Scully.
Sand and Scully ceased manufacturing, but Stark went on to produce over 10 kilograms (over 35 million doses in crystal form) of what became the famous Orange Sunshine - the last of which actually appeared in large red and green tablets called "Christmas Acid."
With the Sunshine boom came increased reports of side effects. In addition to stimulant reactions and symptoms akin to those of strychnine poisoning being reported, there seemed to be something missing in the spiritual dimensions of this new underground acid. Michael Hollinshead, who gave Leary his first taste of acid in 1960, later wrote in The Man Who Turned on the World:
There was now (1968) little good acid around, and what there was - the so-called "street acid" - came mainly from California. There was something wrong with the synthesis; it was not pure. And you were never sure what it was exactly that you were taking, so I only dropped it on those rare occasions when someone gave me "Sandoz" or "crystal" acid...
My evaluation had nothing to do with the notion that a wholly synthetic drug produced a wholly synthetic experience - the intellectual response - but was based on direct, first-hand experience (about 30 trips with street acid in all). And in each session I felt that there was something it lacked - it was too "electric," too "speedy" and too "mind-shattering." The earlier clarity of "insight" which I had obtained via the Sandoz acid was replaced by confusion, brokenness, words and worlds thrown into absolute dismemberment, or even absolute chaos, though, I must add, often coupled with a feeling that I can only describe as "sublime inflation," a super abundance of emotive energy, but it could not signify more a passionate flame and less the life-giving sun.
At Woodstock, Hugh Romney (a/k/a "Wavy Gravy") of the Hog Farm announced to the crowd, "There's no such thing as bad acid, just acid that's made wrong." In 1969, LSD began to appear in microdots, and in 1971, on gelatin sheets of various shapes - dubbed "windowpane." The strength of individual doses swiftly decreased, and so did the purity of the average street dose.
In a correspondence with City magazine in July 1975, Timothy Leary wrote: "After 1966, my lectures and writings were mainly concerned with a general theory of psychological and political relativity and made little mention of lysergic acid, which in truth, had been driven completely off the scene by Owsley speed, orange amphetamine, and the more commercially and socially acceptable cocaine-heroin trade."
In Timothy Leary at Folsom Prison, a filmed dialog made for television but never broadcast, he amplifies: "I don't particularly recommend you take LSD. First of all, 99 percent of what they say about it isn't true." Ken Kesey also had occasion to reflect back on the acid scene in his recent book Garage Sale: "I can't really recommend acid, because acid has become an almost meaningless chemical. I mean, the first acid I took was Sandoz, given me by the federal government in a series of experiments (what now, Uncle? Don't give me that anti-American drug field bullshit: you turned me on ...!) and it was beautiful.
"With perhaps the exception of Owsley's work, every bootleg batch I've tried from then on down has been interesting, enlightening, agonizing, bizarre, etc., but never anything as pure."
Many other early trippers, including Alan Harrington (author of Psychopaths), Dr. Stanley Krippner (former head of Brooklyn's Maimonides Hospital Dream Lab) and Adam Smith (author of Powers of Mind in addition to his Wall Street best sellers), have also noted the decline in psychedelic use and linked it with the purity crisis.
An LSD experience is a complex interaction of five influential factors: set, setting, guide (fellow tripper), purity, and dosage level.
Set refers to the psychological makeup of the LSD tripper, both long term (genetic inheritance and childhood conditioning) and short term (expectations about the LSD experience and how the person feels that morning).
Setting refers to the environment of the trip - indoors or outdoors, "informal suburban house," "formal hospital room," or "windy beach at sunrise."
Set, setting and guide form the fabric of the trip. But before these influences can come into play, alteration in consciousness must occur. Thus, the nature of the biochemical used, its purity and its dosage level are most central in determining the course the session will take.
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In its pure form, LSD (d-lysergic acid diethyl amide) is an odorless, colorless, and either tart-tasting (if in the tartrate form) or tasteless crystal substance. The major pharmaceutical company manufacturing pure LSD, for research purposes, is the Spofa United Pharmaceutical Works in Prague, Czechoslovakia, although it has been manufactured by many others. Besides Sandoz Pharmaceutical Company in Switzerland, there was the Eli Lilly & Company with the patent for the Garbrecht process (the most efficient process for the manufacture of LSD), and Farmitillia of Milan, Italy, which perfected the deep-vat cultivation of ergot, a mold that grows on rye, among other places, and serves as a source for lysergic acid monohydrate, the main precursor of LSD. In addition, a number of U.S. pharmaceutical firms make small amount of LSD for testing purposes.
Today, underground acid comes in many forms; in tablets of varying sizes and colors, in capsules (most popular from 1966 to 1968), as gelatin windowpane (a lamentable hardship to vegetarians, who do not eat cow hooves from which the gelatin is derived), plastic film, blotter paper, liquid vials, and many other forms - just about anything on which a liquid can be dripped has been used. Since LSD is a crystal and the average dose is so small as to be just barely visible, it is usually dissolved in a solvent such as ethyl alcohol and then dropped on some medium buffered with some inert substance. Only if a buffering substance is inert will it not affect the course of action of the biochemical mind-changer.
The most common explanation regarding impurities seems to be adulteration with some other biochemical mind-changer such as speed (amphetamine) or strychnine additives. Yet, as most testing programs and drug information organizations are fond of repeating, there is rarely speed or strychnine in street acid. The most common additive is PCP (phencyclidine, or Serylan, an animal tranquilizer that causes hallucinogenic delirium reactions), which is also present when street acid is mislabeled "mescaline" or "psilocybin." Synthetic mescaline and psilocybin (usually psilocyn) disappeared from the streets a bit after pure LSD did (around 1969), and the only genuine forms of these drugs on the streets now are the organic staples of mushrooms or buttons of peyote. (Note: The acid-PCP combination is sometimes used on store-bought mushrooms, so caution is advised.)
Because of the imprecise nature of the street-drug market, a number of street drug-testing programs were established in the 1970s. These drug organizations have repeatedly labeled most street samples of underground acid as "LSD." For example, the Straight Dope Newsletter, a compilation of information from U. S. testing organizations, reported on a total of 209 samples turned in to the various organizations during the period from March 1973 thru July 1973, of which 183 samples were "LSD."
PharmChem of Palo Alto, California, the most noted of the various street drug testing groups, reported in 1973: "Of 405 samples said to be LSD, 91.6 percent were as alleged, 3.4 percent had no drug at all, 3 percent were actually DOM, PCP and others, and 2 percent had DOM, PCP and methamphetamine in addition to LSD."
Contrast these two reports to a survey abstracted in LSD - A Total Study (edited by D. V. Siva Sankar): "Marshman and Gibbons tested 519 samples of street drugs for which the vendor's claimed composition was available. Of the samples alleged to be LSD, 44 percent contained LSD with two or more contaminants or even were mixtures of intermediate chemicals resulting from the failed attempts to synthesize LSD."
There is something wrong, something impure about today's "street acid." One possible theory for the degeneration of LSD manufacture is given by Hollingshead in The Man Who Turned on the World:
I think the problem for the underground chemists manufacturing clandestine acid was a shortage of ergot, without which the synthesis of d-LSD-25 is impossible. Until 1965, supplies of ergot could be bought with little difficulty from three or four European chemical companies; but pressure from Washington put a stop to this, doubtlessly hopeful that this would lead to an end of clandestine LSD. In one sense, the Federal authorities were right. The underground ceased turning out d-LSD-25; instead, they discovered a wholly synthetic substance akin to d-LSD-25....Sure the new stuff "worked" in the sense that any new mind-altering chemical "works" to produce subjective effects within the body, but it didn't seem to produce in those who used it any particular noticeable elevation in either head or heart; at least it was - and probably is - an unpopular view amongst the "congnoscenti" who claim that some of the street acid is capable of producing positive subjective effects of a "long-lasting nature," though they readily admit a lot of the stuff sold as "pure acid" is actually methamphetamine (a potent form of amphetamine first developed by the U.S. Army) or a stripped-down ergotamine compound by modern molecular chemistry.
A more likely reason for the different effects of street acid and LSD is that by-product impurities contaminate the product at various points in manufacture. LSD can be made from lysergic acid derived from either morning-glory seeds or ergot, or from compounds made from ergot - including ergotamine tartrate, a pharmaceutical drug used in treating migraine headaches. LSD can also be synthesized totally from organic chemicals. No matter what process is used, if it is carried forth correctly, the resultant molecule is LSD.
Before LSD was made illegal, the materials for its manufacture could be purchased from a number of chemical companies in the United States and Europe. Most Owsley acid was manufactured from lysergic acid monohydrate obtained from Sandoz before lysergic acid was proscribed. But after 1966, properly prepared precursors were not easily obtainable.
The manufacturing of he necessary precursors is a long process, and a great many new occasions for impurities can arise. During the preparation of the main precursor - lysergic acid monohydrate - various ergot alkaloids and cycloalkamides of lysergic acid will contaminate the final product if not later removed by proper chromatographic procedures. Which contaminants do appear depends on whether the starting material was ergot, ergotamine tartate or morning-glory seeds. And once these proper precursors have been synthesized into LSD, various isomers and lumi-LSD (LSD saturated with water) may contaminate the final product if not removed by proper chromatographic procedures.
Thus, chromatography, the highly refined procedure that the organic chemist uses to isolate specific chemicals, is the key process by which impurities may or may not be removed from he eventual LSD crystal.
A passage from Psychedelic Chemistry, by Michael Valentine Smith:
There is a great deal of superstition regarding purification of psychedelics. Actually, any impurities which may be present as a result of synthetic procedures will almost certainly be without any effect on the trip.
If there are 200 micrograms of impurities present... and few compounds will produce a significant effect until a hundred to a thousand times this amount has been ingested. Even mescaline, which has a rather specific psychedelic effect, requires about a thousand times this amount.
Most of the books on the market that give details on the LSD process - for example, Psychedelic Guide to the Preparation of the Eucharist, by Robert Brown, Basic Drug Manufacturing and The Book of Acid, by Adam Gottlieb, as well as Michael Valentine Smith's book - fail to describe the efficient chromatographic procedures, like zone-melting chromatography, necessary for the manufacture of pure LSD. Timothy Scully told me that both he and Owsley believed the tolerable limits of impurities to be one tenth of a percentage point (requiring 99.9% purity) - far from the 50 percent figure of Michael Valentine Smith! Until careful studies are done, the true figures for tolerable impurities will remain unknown.
How do these impurities change the optimum course of action of LSD and the experience it creates? One of the theories is that, because d-LSD-25 is like a key (its outer electron shell has a specific shape), it fits into a number of tiny locks called "receptor sites." These are located somewhere in the brain - nobody is sure where, but one theory suggests that they might be in the brain stem. It is known, however, that these receptor sites interact only with extremely specific molecular configurations.
The various ergot compounds, cycloalkamides of LSD and lumi-LSD plug into the same receptor sites as LSD does. But these compounds evidently don't turn the lock in the smooth, clean manner of LSD. Many of these compounds have effects similar to symptoms of ergot poisoning - the St. Anthony's Fire of the Middle Ages. These symptoms include inflamed joints, headaches, nausea, and hot and cold flashes.
Isomers of LSD are another possible contaminant and indeed are reported present by the drug analysis groups. There are four possible isomers of LSD, but only the d-lysergic acid diethyl amide form is active. The other rotation forms - l-lysergic acid diethyl amide, d and l iso-lysergic acid diethyl amide (contrary to recent reports!) - are inactive. they have no pharmacological role, except possibly as a catalyst for some latent effect of LSD, or to block the action of LSD at the receptor site.
If a contaminated batch of diethyl amine is used in the manufacturing process, or if the chemist purposely decides to make them, LSD homologues might be present in the final crystal. Molecules similar to LSD in structure but with some addition, subtraction or rearrangement of action, homologues plug into the same keyhole that LSD does.
Some of these homologues have profound effects that vary in course of action and potency. For example, the strongest of he homologues, ALD-52, has 91 percent the potency of LSD and is said to have a slightly different effect upon the mind (there is some dispute about this).
However, as Albert Hofmann puts it in "Drugs Affecting the Central Nervous System": LSD has the highest and most specific effect and may therefore be considered as the genuine prototype of psychotomimetic compounds."
Thus, all impurities found in LSD are like imperfect keys. Such substances as ergot alkaloids, cycloalkamides and other lysergic acid derivatives, and LSD homologues and lumi-LSD are drugs that might open the door part way. But only pure LSD opens the doors of perception all the way.
In addition to manufactured impurities, impurities can also arise from decomposition of LSD. Dr. Albert Hofmann points out in his paper "The Chemistry of LSD": "The free base as well as the tartrate of d-lysergic acid diethyl amide, like all lysergic acid derivatives, is very sensitive to light and oxidizing agents. All preparations must be stored carefully, protected from light and from oxygen of the air, to prevent them from being destroyed within a short time."
Even if, by some chance, an underground batch were made pure, it would turn to bunk in time, especially if put in conventional underground packaging (blotter or windowpane) that does not protect it from light or air. Pharmaceutical LSD is stored in vacuum vials in nitrogen gas. A pure, viable form of black-market LSD should find its way to the consumer in a tablet coated with pure, inert buffering material or in a vacuum vial, but this expensive packaging is certainly not reconcilable with dealing for profit.
Why is it that most of he underground LSD in the United States is made wrong? There are several other possible explanations. One chemist, for instance, told me that it was "because all the pros are out of the field." That is to say, most underground chemists, whether motivated by altruism or greed, are incompetent to manufacture pharmaceutical-grade chemicals.
Moreover, they often lack the money to buy the complicated equipment necessary to produce pharmaceutical-grade materials or to test their final product properly.
Paranoia, too, can lead to faulty manufacture. A chemist often doesn't have the time to do a full scale procedure, or will take shortcuts to limit possible exposure to bursts.
It would help if street-drug analysis groups perfected their methods of analysis. Many such groups do not have samples of the impurities that can exist in street acid, and are therefore unable to identify them.. In addition, their testing techniques are not up to the exacting task of determining the nature of their samples. Most rely on thin-layer chromatography, which can show only that LSD exists in a sample,, but not all of he other impurities lurking there.
In a private correspondence, Dr Alexander T. Shulgin, a professor of toxicology at the University of California at Berkeley commented:
In the usual analysis of LSD (such as done at PharmChem Foundation) one chromatographs an extract of the suspected drug, observes the resulting separation under UV light, and then sprays the plate with some color-generating agent such as paradimethylaminobenzaldehyde (PDAB). If there are impurities present that fluoresce (such as lysergic acid or iso-LSD) and that have mobility in the chromatographic separation, they will be seen. If impurities are present that have the intact indole-2-hydrogen atom, they will give blue to purple colors with PDAB.
Both tests require, of course, that there are amounts present sufficient to be seen. But if the impurity does not fluoresce (as is known to occur with lumi-LSD or any of the photoaddition products) or will not react with PDAB (as would be found with 2-substituted impurities such as 2-oxo-ergots), then they (the impurities) would remain invisible. It is completely possible that an LSD sample could be grossly contaminated with impurities and, if they did not give any response to one of these two tests, it is highly likely that their presence would never even be suspected.
Again, it would be helpful if street-drug analysis groups started looking for by-product impurities and established criteria for psychedelic chemical purity. They must stop labeling their impure samples "LSD", a habit that suggests purity and thereby creates much confusing in the public mind and among drug writers. Instead they must clearly distinguish between street acid and pure, pharmaceutical LSD. And if they cannot afford the equipment to test LSD (mass spectrometers and electron microscopes), then they should let the public know about their true capacities. For that matter, none of the commercially sold drug-testing kits is capable of determining purity.
Many early LSD users later gave up on acid and tried other methods of consciousness-expansion as available LSD became impure. They thought that LSD did not work any more, or blamed their heads, not realizing it was a change in the nature of the actual chemical. Thus, the increasing number of impurities led many people to repress the mystical experiences they had had, and retreat to a comfortable, "cool" conformity. Or they turned to Eastern gurus and Jesus movements.
I suspect that impurities give people body trips (euphoria) rather than the pure mind trips of LSD (ecstasy). People turned to other euphoria-producing drugs (pot is on of these) because street acid fell into the realm of dishonest dealing games and lost the spiritual qualities of LSD. Just the fact that LSD did not work any more led people into attempts to escape from the all-too-static reality via coke, pot, tranquilizers, alcohol and smack.
As experiences changed, the emphasis among the makers and distributors of LSD changed. In the beginning, the main motivation was spiritual - to turn people on. Much LSD was given for free, and dealing was just an amateur pastime. As LSD became another in a long list of body drugs, avarice polluted the spiritual stream.
The real responsibility for all this lies not with the underground, or even the public, victims of brainwashing with beer and TV, but with the government. Today, a small elite of government-sanctioned scientists controls LSD in the United States. Despite the good their limited research does, their exclusive and narrow-sighted use of these drugs seems sad in the face of the much greater good that psychedelics could do if more widely used. Many suggestions for more rational use include making LSD a prescription drug, creating LSD centers or making LSD a patent medicine.
The psychedelic movement, which has been in eclipse for ten years, will remain dormant until people can get LSD of known strength and purity. Until then, if you are an acidhead, chances are you've never taken LSD.
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And +1 again my friend for going in 8) (EDIT; 72 hour block, sorry dude)
That is a very interesting article. Great read. Erowid has so much to offer, but alot is very hard to find when just looking around the page. Thanks again dude.
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Until then, if you are an acidhead, chances are you've never taken LSD.
i'm not so sure about that. there is a lot of good acid going around right now. but i notice this was written in the 70s.
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Until then, if you are an acidhead, chances are you've never taken LSD.
i'm not so sure about that. there is a lot of good acid going around right now. but i notice this was written in the 70s.
I did not make that statement friend, that was in the article that #slot posted.
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Until then, if you are an acidhead, chances are you've never taken LSD.
i'm not so sure about that. there is a lot of good acid going around right now. but i notice this was written in the 70s.
I did not make that statement friend, that was in the article that #slot posted.
oops...... i know you didn't say that, but quoted you by accident. sorry about that
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Not a prob dude.
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wow, really great read, +1 indeed :)
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Interesting but very sad read :/ lol I'd LOVE to try that first batch lmao
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I'm with you on that one shadow, sadly we will never know the wonders of sandoz L =(
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Hey guys, and girls alike 8) ... I came up with an awesome new way to ingest MDxx mixes, or any other substance that is in powder form, seeing as how they all taste wretched. I figured Id post it here for lack of a better thread to put it in.
Now that i think about it, maybe a DIY thread, for anything DIY or crafty, but i digress. So for this you will need; starburst fruit flavored chewy candys, a means of cutting it, and your hands.
First, cut a starburst in half, each half is good for a dose..then carfully unwrap it. Place the half a starburst between your thumb and pointer fingers, and begin to work it out flat, feeling out the thinka nd thin spots, trying to make it as thin an even as possible. It should flatten out to about 1"x1". Pour your stuff in the center, then ever so gently, pick it up and pinch around the mound of stuff. Once a seal has been made around your stuff, you can begin to fold the ends over and compact it into a tight little candy filled candy cap. Slide that fucker on down the pipes, and with in no more than 10min, your flying like a eagle.
Hope some one can give it a try, its real fun for hippyflips, cause when your peaking on L it becomes an interesting activity, just be sure to have your amounts pre wieghed if this is the case. Hope you guys like it! Much love every one 8)
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Ah! That is an amazing idea dude! Lmao I am so trying that when I try my 5-methyl MDA sample I have. I'd +1 but can't yet.
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@ Shadow, Glad you appreciate it. Let me know how it goes dude 8)
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Hey guys, and girls alike 8) ... I came up with an awesome new way to ingest MDxx mixes, or any other substance that is in powder form, seeing as how they all taste wretched. I figured Id post it here for lack of a better thread to put it in.
Now that i think about it, maybe a DIY thread, for anything DIY or crafty, but i digress. So for this you will need; starburst fruit flavored chewy candys, a means of cutting it, and your hands.
First, cut a starburst in half, each half is good for a dose..then carfully unwrap it. Place the half a starburst between your thumb and pointer fingers, and begin to work it out flat, feeling out the thinka nd thin spots, trying to make it as thin an even as possible. It should flatten out to about 1"x1". Pour your stuff in the center, then ever so gently, pick it up and pinch around the mound of stuff. Once a seal has been made around your stuff, you can begin to fold the ends over and compact it into a tight little candy filled candy cap. Slide that fucker on down the pipes, and with in no more than 10min, your flying like a eagle.
Hope some one can give it a try, its real fun for hippyflips, cause when your peaking on L it becomes an interesting activity, just be sure to have your amounts pre wieghed if this is the case. Hope you guys like it! Much love every one 8)
Sweet, Star tripper candy....better trade mark that
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Hey guys, and girls alike 8) ... I came up with an awesome new way to ingest MDxx mixes, or any other substance that is in powder form, seeing as how they all taste wretched. I figured Id post it here for lack of a better thread to put it in.
Now that i think about it, maybe a DIY thread, for anything DIY or crafty, but i digress. So for this you will need; starburst fruit flavored chewy candys, a means of cutting it, and your hands.
First, cut a starburst in half, each half is good for a dose..then carfully unwrap it. Place the half a starburst between your thumb and pointer fingers, and begin to work it out flat, feeling out the thinka nd thin spots, trying to make it as thin an even as possible. It should flatten out to about 1"x1". Pour your stuff in the center, then ever so gently, pick it up and pinch around the mound of stuff. Once a seal has been made around your stuff, you can begin to fold the ends over and compact it into a tight little candy filled candy cap. Slide that fucker on down the pipes, and with in no more than 10min, your flying like a eagle.
Hope some one can give it a try, its real fun for hippyflips, cause when your peaking on L it becomes an interesting activity, just be sure to have your amounts pre wieghed if this is the case. Hope you guys like it! Much love every one 8)
Sweet, Star tripper candy....better trade mark that
Too late for DB. He mentioned it to me in a pm about a week ago and I've already gotten the patents. Sorry DB, nice people get nowhere in life roflmfao!!!!!!
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@Flyhigh, StarBursters™. LOL Wont be long before some one is taking credit for it, its all goody tho 8)
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@ GYF.. Damn, I knew I should have TM'd that light bulb sooner. LOL
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this is interesting. thought you guys might like it.
(clearnet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujxXdGZ8PLo
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I miss lucy set and seeting haven't been right for 1.5 years sadly. Maybe One day Ill re-unite with her
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this is interesting. thought you guys might like it.
(clearnet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujxXdGZ8PLo
Great bit of vid there. Also, if you go to stagevu.com(clearnet), and in the search field type LSD, there is about three or four great LSD docs that can be downloaded for free. Much love.
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I miss lucy set and seeting haven't been right for 1.5 years sadly. Maybe One day Ill re-unite with her
That is very unfortunate Dank, I feel for you brother. My IRL circumstances ATM also do not permit me to take the doses I wish to consume. I hope things work out for you, so you can once again enjoy our beautiful Lady. Much love.
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Goooooooood morniiing vietnaam! (Bill Murray voice LOL)
Umm, try Robin Williams, or did something get lost in translation?
Well guys the joint of Sour is fin, I am now 100% paved, laid out, cold stoned, toasted , how ever you like to say it... Im silly high ;D and simply can not think clearly enough to continue on anything i meant to, but did not mention, and edit or three may be along shortly, or not LOL Thanks every one for tuning in!
Aha that explains it! :) And seriously, bro, this is a great thread, and thank you for your (acid) service. As someone new to acid (we first dropped some very weak teddybears from LysanderSpooner back in November 2011) let us say it is still our favorite in the psych family, mushrooms being next.
We are excited, entertained, and mostly educated reading ALL the posters lucid acid posts.
It seems there is a fellowship here that is warmer, somehow, than that found on all the other threads on SR, (at least so far -I'm still only partway through December in my catch-up reading) but we just wanted to shout out to you all and say we'll soon be sharing on our very own trip with new tabs sourced from Nevita.
Thanks, Peace, Out.
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Goooooooood morniiing vietnaam! (Bill Murray voice LOL)
Umm, try Robin Williams, or did something get lost in translation?
Well guys the joint of Sour is fin, I am now 100% paved, laid out, cold stoned, toasted , how ever you like to say it... Im silly high ;D and simply can not think clearly enough to continue on anything i meant to, but did not mention, and edit or three may be along shortly, or not LOL Thanks every one for tuning in!
Aha that explains it! :) And seriously, bro, this is a great threat, and thank you for your (acid) service. As someone new to acid (we first dropped some very weak teddybears from LysanderSpooner back in November 2011) let us say it is still our favorite in the psych family, mushrooms being next.
We are excited, entertained, and mostly educated reading ALL the posters lucid acid posts.
It seems there is a fellowship here that is warmer, somehow, than that found on all the other threads on SR, (at least so far -I'm still only partway through December in my catch-up reading) but we just wanted to shout out to you all and say we'll soon be sharing on our very own trip with new tabs sourced from Nevita.
Thanks, Peace, Out.
Yes, Rob Williams is correct, sorry for the burnt-ness LOL. +1 friend, im glad you enjoy our community here 8)
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Does anybody know what the light blue colored tabs were that 3jane was sending out in the december 12' area?
I had a 25 square and I just was curious what they were rated at mcg wise...
I also have some of the jerseycows december 12' time frame. but only 2 tabs of them. I cant flippin remember! I think alex greys...
@DB- Kick ass thread man! I want to discuss my 2 hit venture on 3janes tabs...
mmm....fun..
I be back!
onion
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Does anybody know what the light blue colored tabs were that 3jane was sending out in the december 12' area?
I had a 25 square and I just was curious what they were rated at mcg wise...
I also have some of the jerseycows december 12' time frame. but only 2 tabs of them. I cant flippin remember! I think alex greys...
@DB- Kick ass thread man! I want to discuss my 2 hit venture on 3janes tabs...
mmm....fun..
I be back!
onion
perhaps the mayan calander hits? those were like ~70ug
the jersey cow alex greys are fan-fucking-tastic. definitely at least ~150ug
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Hummmmm....
I will have to go back in my posts and find out.... I am not sure.. That doesn't sound right though. Not to say it's not, however.
Hum....a mystery indeed.
Thanks spegro
-onion-
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Hummmmm....
I will have to go back in my posts and find out.... I am not sure.. That doesn't sound right though. Not to say it's not, however.
Hum....a mystery indeed.
Thanks spegro
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No problem. The only other blue ones I can think of was the seed of life print like summer of '12 which had a hunab ku on each hit.
she also had some hunab kus like nipplesuckcanuck did. those were blue too. shit.
the alphas are the real dark ones that are everywhere now
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Hey fellas, im pretty sure the Jane tabs your referring to, where the hunabs. I believe them to be no more than 100ug. JC's Hofmanns and avatars where in some cases, upwards of 170ug!
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Ya I think that's right guys...cuz they changed right afterwards I do believe into something else.
The hunabs sounds right. Cool Cool. Thanks DB and SpEgro (again) +1 to both y'all!
-onion-
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Question: I'm thinking about picking up one of these Christ vials, and I'm wondering if y'all can tell me about the different mediums (i.e. blotter, gel tab, window pane, sugarcube, etc) for convenient transportation of just a couple doses. I'd like to be able to go camping or to a music festival without have to lug my big ol' vial all over the place. What are some options and what are the pros/cons of those options? Thanks!
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would prefer blotters in this case, they are easy to pack, hide and consume
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Anyone know what families are known to produce cid.
I've heard of the Silver Family, the Rainbow Family and the GD Family.
Any others?
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Question: I'm thinking about picking up one of these Christ vials, and I'm wondering if y'all can tell me about the different mediums (i.e. blotter, gel tab, window pane, sugarcube, etc) for convenient transportation of just a couple doses. I'd like to be able to go camping or to a music festival without have to lug my big ol' vial all over the place. What are some options and what are the pros/cons of those options? Thanks!
Hey sloth, it may be wise to dose some candys and throw them back in the pack, like dose all the greens in a sour patch bag or something. Even sticks of gum will work.
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Anyone know what families are known to produce cid.
I've heard of the Silver Family, the Rainbow Family and the GD Family.
Any others?
That's the lot of the better known "familys" that synth L, but the reality of it is, there are handfulls of garage/basment chemists that simply have L recipes that they are able to follow and manufacture. Now that don't mean that they produce LSD as clean as the old familys, but never the less it is L and it does work.
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Had a single dose of the December JC's Grey's over the weekend. NOM NOM.
I have weird trips. I tend to take a benzo too soon, 2-3 hours in, because my anxiety seems worse than anything else during that initial and appx 2 hour uprising.
My neck was hurting like a bitch...I didn't feel this before...not to knock the product. Don't get me wrong. Just a curious feeling for whatever reason. I was also extremely shaky, which isn't abnormal for me, but it was noticeably uncomfortable.
Perhaps I am just not cut out for the truth? Everyone says 2+ tabs...500mcg, etc. ..I think that'd freak me out!
Anywho. Just a stoned rant.
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Hey dude, its not just you. JCs older batch was laid with, what I suspect to be probably silver grade xtal, they have a heavy body load, but certainly not what I would call dirty.
Ive yet to drop more than 3 at a time, from baseline, and they have a fuck of a come up. After the come up is done though , its beautifully dosed L. Also it would be 500ug@ 2 tabs, not 500mcg, common typo im sure.
The shakes you where feeling was just the regular come up of a strong dose. Loads of electric energy, anxiety and muscle spasms are common. The stiffness you felt was most likely due to some vasoconstriction, also more common than not. Just know that its not just you, embrace the terror and the panic, and before you know it.. its LaLa Landd 8)
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Thanks DB! That was a very educational response! Holy shit...I have a lot to learn yet. That was just a single tab. Sadly I only have one of those left, although I do have 20 of the 3J's from December@ ;D :o :o So that'll keep me going a while!
I figured it was just the come up...it honestly felt like some serious mdma from back in the day. But as you said, afterwards was pure bliss. I had great conversation with the wife, and the world was a beautiful place. I can't wait to enjoy more.
Thanks again DB. +1 if I can. You've helped me tons in the couple months I've been around.
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I was reading through old Del Ellis posts and I found this interesting quote
Although good quality L seems scarce to those who lack the proper connections, there is a TON of this L out there waiting to be gobbled up, but the distribution network (or lack thereof) creates a condition where those who have the ability to meet the demand are disconnected from the customer base. To this community the L I have access to may seem scarce but in reality there are stockpiles of it sitting idle, begging to be flooded into an untapped market in a fair, reasonable way.
If there are stockpiles of it sitting idle, why hasn't someone close in the chain linked up to the Road yet? There are many hungry customers that would gladly buy sheets and sheets of it and there is plenty of loot to recaive. I understand the sad state of the current LSD distribution network but now with the advent of the road I would think new links could be forged in the supply chain. It probably just is that there aren't enough people high up in the chain for one to have heard of or care about bitcoins and SR :(
I hope that one day the world's supply of acid will be restored to what it was when the Grateful Dead were touring or when Pickard was operational :'(. Nowadays most blotters being sold as Lucy are some shitty RC.
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Ive got 60 bucks in bitcoin... any domestic US vendor care to send me a 4 hit sample for me and my friends??
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I good sample though! If I am paying over ten dollars a hit I want us to have a decent experience off of one hit each. Thanks!
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Thanks DB! That was a very educational response! Holy shit...I have a lot to learn yet. That was just a single tab. Sadly I only have one of those left, although I do have 20 of the 3J's from December@ ;D :o :o So that'll keep me going a while!
I figured it was just the come up...it honestly felt like some serious mdma from back in the day. But as you said, afterwards was pure bliss. I had great conversation with the wife, and the world was a beautiful place. I can't wait to enjoy more.
Thanks again DB. +1 if I can. You've helped me tons in the couple months I've been around.
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Any time onioman, thats what im here for 8)
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I was reading through old Del Ellis posts and I found this interesting quote
Although good quality L seems scarce to those who lack the proper connections, there is a TON of this L out there waiting to be gobbled up, but the distribution network (or lack thereof) creates a condition where those who have the ability to meet the demand are disconnected from the customer base. To this community the L I have access to may seem scarce but in reality there are stockpiles of it sitting idle, begging to be flooded into an untapped market in a fair, reasonable way.
If there are stockpiles of it sitting idle, why hasn't someone close in the chain linked up to the Road yet? There are many hungry customers that would gladly buy sheets and sheets of it and there is plenty of loot to recaive. I understand the sad state of the current LSD distribution network but now with the advent of the road I would think new links could be forged in the supply chain. It probably just is that there aren't enough people high up in the chain for one to have heard of or care about bitcoins and SR :(
I hope that one day the world's supply of acid will be restored to what it was when the Grateful Dead were touring or when Pickard was operational :'(. Nowadays most blotters being sold as Lucy are some shitty RC.
I feel you dude. Del Ellis does offer some of the cleanest L on the Road, Janes shit dont play either as far as cleanliness is concerned. Envious has really clean WoW as well. I used to know so many cali folk that had endless vials of the cleanest shit ive eaten to date. Sadly Ive drifted too far from that circle =(
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Fascinating....
So, i'm assuming a thumprint is when you dip your thumb in and dose yourself out....And they do this to test your karma (which im assuming is what you have done for everything / everyone around you and your ego?)
Are these families still distributing?
is there even information on this?
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Yes a thumb print, is dabbing your thumb, into crystal, which is equivalent to hundreds upon hundreds of doses. I think its more along the lines of seeing whether or not you truly love LSD. Whether or not there are any family members that are still distributing is any ones guess. I can vouch that there is still some of the worlds cleanest L coming out of NorCal.
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DB ya, this is why I was interested in getting from AH. I am sure it's him who claims its the best, NorCal I am sure is the area of which it is preached from as well. Not positive. I had not enough, asked him for a dollar off, he said nah, so I said ok, I be back....then I bought a bunch of other stuff instead lol.
I have been waiting on some L, but I think I'll snag some tree of life before it's gone!
What else be going on that is awesome and valid DB?
Thanks bro! and everyone else who has contributed!
-onion-
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Not much dude, had you been short some btc, I would have been more than happy to lend you a hand.
No one should ever go acidless, for any reason. Shit if I had means, id crop dust the untire east coast with thousands of mics of needle point=)
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So has anyone tried any of these hoffman prints with the koi fish on the back?
I got a sheet from DRamsterdam, and am very pleased....
id like to know if its clean just to have something to base my learning off of.
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So has anyone tried any of these hoffman prints with the koi fish on the back?
I got a sheet from DRamsterdam, and am very pleased....
id like to know if its clean just to have something to base my learning off of.
I assume DRamsterdam's tabs are from the same supply as HollandOnline's, of which I have purchased plenty. I believe PineappleLove just reported HO's tabs at 113 ugs each via a Dutch public lab.
That being said, DRamsterdam just put his account in stealth mode for some sort of personal reason and is not currently shipping. Don't know what that means but hopefully he will be back. Great prices.
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Not much dude, had you been short some btc, I would have been more than happy to lend you a hand.
No one should ever go acidless, for any reason. Shit if I had means, id crop dust the untire east coast with thousands of mics of needle point=)
No worries DB, I found other things to spend my money on. lol I just stumbled upon Jannis, ordered up 3 tab sampler. Don't like getting mail from out of country though. Unless its the frenchies above me. :D hehe
But dude...Thanks for that. Muchly appreciated! Same goes for me, if you ever need a hand. Holla at the Onion.
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Not much dude, had you been short some btc, I would have been more than happy to lend you a hand.
No one should ever go acidless, for any reason. Shit if I had means, id crop dust the untire east coast with thousands of mics of needle point=)
No worries DB, I found other things to spend my money on. lol I just stumbled upon Jannis, ordered up 3 tab sampler. Don't like getting mail from out of country though. Unless its the frenchies above me. :D hehe
But dude...Thanks for that. Muchly appreciated! Same goes for me, if you ever need a hand. Holla at the Onion.
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will do bro 8)
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Not much dude, had you been short some btc, I would have been more than happy to lend you a hand.
No one should ever go acidless, for any reason. Shit if I had means, id crop dust the untire east coast with thousands of mics of needle point=)
Must. Find. Means.
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I've done LSD twice now, 500ug both times. On both occasions I seemed to have a different sort of experience than most people describe. I don't really feel like I peak after a certain number of hours, but rather the comeup is the most intense part of the experience. I get absolutely mind-blowing visuals and a very intense body high, and after an hour or two it settles down into something more manageable and levels off for the next 10 hours.
With this in mind, for my next trip tomorrow I was planning to take the same dose while at home so I could enjoy the craziest part of the ride stress-free, and then go out in public when things start to settle down. But I'm a little concerned that maybe I won't have the same sort of results. I don't want to find myself going ego-dead while walking down the street. Is it safe to assume that if this is how LSD has affected me thus far it will continue to do so in this manner?
If it makes any difference, my past 2 trips have been from alllove and my next will be Tessellated's new WoW batch.
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I've had LSD 3 times, the first 2 trips were maybe 120mcg total (envious's bitter shivas), but they tested as LSD.
The first was pretty mystic and nice, mild visuals but utter beauty.
The second I mixed with some weed (which dosent always agree with me) I would up having a very confusing and paranoid time
The third trip were on some of LucyDrops tabs, not sure what print they were though. My roommate/bestfriend/trip-buddy and I each ate 2 while walking home. About 60 minutes later we were at home chilling out on her bed and little was happening. She has accompanied me on both of my previous LSD trips so we both knew what to look for. The effects were minimal we had the weakest visuals ever but they could EASILY have been psychosomatic. So in true Raul Duke fashion we decided to say fuck it and eat the rest of the tenstrip. We each ate 3 more tabs. Within 40 minutes shit was getting intense. We had a wonderful time and it was quite powerful, though nowhere near as mental as the previous trips. The visuals were pretty nice but still not AS beautiful or colorful.
Any ideas on why this might be? At first I assumed it might be a DOx or some other RC, but I realize that if it were tasteless and hit in under 2 hours it was almost definitely not. I still don't see how approximately 300mcg could be much more clear headed than 120mcg of a different batch.
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I've done LSD twice now, 500ug both times. On both occasions I seemed to have a different sort of experience than most people describe. I don't really feel like I peak after a certain number of hours, but rather the comeup is the most intense part of the experience. I get absolutely mind-blowing visuals and a very intense body high, and after an hour or two it settles down into something more manageable and levels off for the next 10 hours.
With this in mind, for my next trip tomorrow I was planning to take the same dose while at home so I could enjoy the craziest part of the ride stress-free, and then go out in public when things start to settle down. But I'm a little concerned that maybe I won't have the same sort of results. I don't want to find myself going ego-dead while walking down the street. Is it safe to assume that if this is how LSD has affected me thus far it will continue to do so in this manner?
If it makes any difference, my past 2 trips have been from alllove and my next will be Tessellated's new WoW batch.
Hey dude, LSD is a very intricate molecule. In a sense that, it seems evident that one can not fully understand the effects and the true power of the L until one has dosed more than a hand full of times.
LSD is very subjective, and each trip greatly depends on the individual. I would not suggest going out in public on such high doses of L, especially if your not seasoned. Mainly because if, and when for that matter, it comes time to interact with some one, who is not also on LSD, it is sure to be an epic fail, that is to say that the L is legit. At 500ug, i find it next to impossible to carry intelligent. or sane even, conversation with some one. Not with out waving a bright orange flag saying "im on drugs" any way. LOL.
After some more trips, you will definitively be able to distinguish the peaks. At which time the kaleidoscopic patterns are undeniable. If your experiencing a heavy body load, more than just some tingles int he hands (slight vasoconstriction), then that is in direct correlation with the quality of LSD crystal. Very clean L has no body load what so ever, a bit of 'electric' angst, but thats about it. Its not always a bad thing, not unless its ugly effects like a headache or nausea.
In conclusion, no, it is not so safe to assume that you have the effects of L on your mind and body down to a predictable science. Much love dude.
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I've had LSD 3 times, the first 2 trips were maybe 120mcg total (envious's bitter shivas), but they tested as LSD.
The first was pretty mystic and nice, mild visuals but utter beauty.
The second I mixed with some weed (which dosent always agree with me) I would up having a very confusing and paranoid time
The third trip were on some of LucyDrops tabs, not sure what print they were though. My roommate/bestfriend/trip-buddy and I each ate 2 while walking home. About 60 minutes later we were at home chilling out on her bed and little was happening. She has accompanied me on both of my previous LSD trips so we both knew what to look for. The effects were minimal we had the weakest visuals ever but they could EASILY have been psychosomatic. So in true Raul Duke fashion we decided to say fuck it and eat the rest of the tenstrip. We each ate 3 more tabs. Within 40 minutes shit was getting intense. We had a wonderful time and it was quite powerful, though nowhere near as mental as the previous trips. The visuals were pretty nice but still not AS beautiful or colorful.
Any ideas on why this might be? At first I assumed it might be a DOx or some other RC, but I realize that if it were tasteless and hit in under 2 hours it was almost definitely not. I still don't see how approximately 300mcg could be much more clear headed than 120mcg of a different batch.
Hey man, first I must say, that if and when you drop a RC tab, it will be unmistakeable, the taste and sensation the tabs give you is legendary.
Now I think the key factor in the lack of magic in your last 2 trips, was the time between. In order to get the true beauty of the L, the trips have to be at LEAST 2-3 weeks apart. If that was in fact the case, then only thing i can see is that maybe the other tabs where some how degrated, from heat or moisture. That seems to far more common than people tend to give credit to.
Yes smoking weed on L can get very intense, in a head fuck kind of manor. I personally can not trip with out smoking as much pot as possible, but to each his own. Much love.
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The first 2 trips were both pretty magical and from the same tabs a few weeks apart. The latest one was months after the first 2 and was pretty recent. I'm going to chalk it up to degradation because the 3rd trip also made me mildly nauseous and gave me a headache.
I do doubt it was an RC though because I'm pretty familiar with the 2c-x series and I would assume DOx would feel similar. Also, I've had 25c NBOMe before and I swallow all my LSD tabs just to be sure that they are not NBOMes
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Yes smoking weed on L can get very intense, in a head fuck kind of manor. I personally can not trip with out smoking as much pot as possible, but to each his own. Much love.
Ha. I too consume great amounts of pot while on lsd. :) I am a Sativa lover too, so there's not much of that lay you on the couch shit layin around!
Good times!
Well I dunno why this post is whacky lol sorry guys
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No need for apologize Onionman, In this thread, anything L, goes. I my self am feeling a bit wacky, hopped up on some Ketaler and a foot long ham sandwich 8) Lately I have been smoking copious amounts of hash, and it pairs beautifully with a head full of LSD.
@Ian, I dont think that degradation will give you the nausea and headaches, but dirty LSD will. Not to bash any lesser known vendors, but my advice would be to stick to those that are tried and true. Once you've pegged the Lovely Lucy, and learned her ways through and through, then from there, you will be able to indecisively determine who has what it is you search for. Do your learning with those that have flawless reps, such as 3jane, or del ellis.. I know Del's listings are few and far apart, but jane not so much.
If possible, grab up a 1/4 or 1/2 sheet from Jane asap, dose as needed, no more than once every 20-30 days.. When you are done with that half or quarter block, you should by that time, know our intriguing little molecule like the back of your hand. Much love
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After a few nights ago, when i took 10 hits of very clean, very good acid, I have a totally new outlook on the molecule. I dont want to put a false ora around this but i literally felt healthier as a person after this trip. I felt like my morals had been straightened out in a way religion couldn't do for me. It was like doing DMT, very eye opening....
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After a few nights ago, when i took 10 hits of very clean, very good acid, I have a totally new outlook on the molecule. I dont want to put a false ora around this but i literally felt healthier as a person after this trip. I felt like my morals had been straightened out in a way religion couldn't do for me. It was like doing DMT, very eye opening....
It has been known to happen friend, more often than one would think. Im very happy for you.
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Educate me!
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I am interested to know if i would in my entire life see LSD crystal. Not bunk, shitty crystals, but straight white fluff needlepoint. Is it out of the question to be able to see something like that and have an oppurtunity to do a thumbprint? I would imagine the place that I could get closest to it was maybe a festival? any thoughts on this?
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I am interested to know if i would in my entire life see LSD crystal. Not bunk, shitty crystals, but straight white fluff needlepoint. Is it out of the question to be able to see something like that and have an oppurtunity to do a thumbprint? I would imagine the place that I could get closest to it was maybe a festival? any thoughts on this?
In all honesty dude, i would hold my breath if i was you. Not many people are able to say that they've had real deal xtal in there presence, even fewer that had the pleasure of doing a thumbprint. At festivals you can most certainly obtain legit tabs or liquid, but ive yet to hear of any one actually selling or buying raw xtal.
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I am interested to know if i would in my entire life see LSD crystal. Not bunk, shitty crystals, but straight white fluff needlepoint. Is it out of the question to be able to see something like that and have an oppurtunity to do a thumbprint? I would imagine the place that I could get closest to it was maybe a festival? any thoughts on this?
i wouldn't do lsd at a festival, let alone a thumbprint! i don't think you're aware of how earth-shattering an experiencing like that would be. you would probably be unaware of your surroundings most of the time. i have heard that people who do thumbprints usually have to be babysat for a week after the trip. it's that intense.
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I am interested to know if i would in my entire life see LSD crystal. Not bunk, shitty crystals, but straight white fluff needlepoint. Is it out of the question to be able to see something like that and have an oppurtunity to do a thumbprint? I would imagine the place that I could get closest to it was maybe a festival? any thoughts on this?
i wouldn't do lsd at a festival, let alone a thumbprint! i don't think you're aware of how earth-shattering an experiencing like that would be. you would probably be unaware of your surroundings most of the time. i have heard that people who do thumbprints usually have to be babysat for a week after the trip. it's that intense.
MoonFlower is correct. Even if you where to obtain xtal, doing a thumbprint anywhere other than a designated area, with a sitter, would seem just plain silly. You have to imagine just how much acid is in a thumbprint, prob along the lines of a few hundred doses. I believe it was said that 1g of xtal is roughly equivalent to 10,000 tabs.
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I am interested to know if i would in my entire life see LSD crystal. Not bunk, shitty crystals, but straight white fluff needlepoint. Is it out of the question to be able to see something like that and have an oppurtunity to do a thumbprint? I would imagine the place that I could get closest to it was maybe a festival? any thoughts on this?
i wouldn't do lsd at a festival, let alone a thumbprint! i don't think you're aware of how earth-shattering an experiencing like that would be. you would probably be unaware of your surroundings most of the time. i have heard that people who do thumbprints usually have to be babysat for a week after the trip. it's that intense.
MoonFlower is correct. Even if you where to obtain xtal, doing a thumbprint anywhere other than a designated area, with a sitter, would seem just plain silly. You have to imagine just how much acid is in a thumbprint, prob along the lines of a few hundred doses. I believe it was said that 1g of xtal is roughly equivalent to 10,000 tabs.
Totally agreed guys, I'd like to say i would have some idea of what it could be like. But in all honesty how could i even begin to grasp that concept unless i've first handedly expierienced it. Found this post on another forum you guys might like it : -- :)
It is hard to describe a thumbprint. Human language cannot describe an experiance that is encompasses all of life. Every cell of every creature or living thing that ever lived or will live is connected by the energy or light. When we die are body and our ego is gone. We become one with eternity or the light or God or whatever name you wish to call it. A thumbprint allows this to happen and rerturn to our physical body. My first print I layed down and quickly realized that this was my actual death. You watch the whole process unfold with complete awareness.
I didn't cling to my body I just realized my life had passed. As I was spiraling up or out I saw my life evolve through the years I lived. The happiness, the sadness,the people I loved and the people I didn't. The joy that I gave and the pain that I caused. I saw the true nature of reality and why things were the way they were. As I got higher I saw the nature of reality on the cosmic scale and saw that the reason for our evolution was to experiance love. To love is to have experianced the finest of life. Then came the moment were it was time to let go. As I did it came for me and I sobbed uncontrolabley for I realized that the light or energy we call god or creation was perfect. It was pure unconditional love.
What else could god have been I realized. That glint of innocent perfection in a baby's eye. The light was pure as the heart of Jesus Christ. I dissolved into it and died. Since there was no me only the all ,I cannot remember the rest because there was no me to remember. After forever I slowly decended into my body.
I spent days awake afterwards talking to myself. I vowed to god to spread LSD so others could see the light. I vowed to look at every person as the lord and treat them as such.
I was reborn and continue to live by the values I learned. I became as active as I could spreading LSD. Year after year in hotel rooms with a pyrex pan and watercolor paper. Hoping excitedly that some of these hit's will help guide my brothers and sisters back towards the light. LSD is a direct message from God. Period. I don't think we get another chance. We can love each other or we can kill each other ,but it is up to us. As I always say in my threads as a reminder, my work with LSD ended years ago.
As for your question about eating and going to the bathroom. I don't think I ate for a week afterwards. As for going to the bathroom I hadn't eaten before hand at my guides advise so it wasn't a problem. I remember letting go as it got dark and coming back a lttle before sunrise. I was high for along time afterwards and as I said earlier you never fully return. I feel high all the time still and its been years.
Also I did many, many prints after that. I have eaten a lot of crystal but it was never like that first time.
I must stress that I was in the company of very evolved and older people that made sure my experiances were optimal. These were kind old spirits that had been were I was going many years before and many times. They held me as a baby every inch of the way.
You have heard of near death experiances right. A thumbprint is a beyond death experiance.
I have a rich life now thats full of good fortune. A wonderful wife and 3 children who are completely wonderful. Every day is complete joy. I couldn't ask for more, but I know it will end one day for good. I await this day with no fear ,but the knowlege that that most rewarding and enlightening experiance of life is death.
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WOW vnu1, great fucking find! +1 brother.
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I know dirtybiscuitz touched on the topic of the after effects of a thumbprint (or hell even a really high dose say over 100 hits) What could one expect from trama to the brain? Or is this "change" i hear so much about more for the better? Personally i'd like to believe its for the better, and in a way feel its for the better. But I feel the war on drugs and growing up during it affected mine and everyones views on everything so much.
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great page! Thx 4 the info & the trip reports (makes me "hungry").
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I know dirtybiscuitz touched on the topic of the after effects of a thumbprint (or hell even a really high dose say over 100 hits) What could one expect from trama to the brain? Or is this "change" i hear so much about more for the better? Personally i'd like to believe its for the better, and in a way feel its for the better. But I feel the war on drugs and growing up during it affected mine and everyones views on everything so much.
I wouldnt assume there would be any sort of brain trauma , or any negative effects from a monster dose of L. Not unless the individual has unknowingly harbored psychopathic, schizophrenic, or any sort of mental instability's. If one has any sort of mental illness in their lineage, then the possibilities of bringing such things to the surface greatly increases. Other than that, I would bet my bottom dollar that any large dose of L, that is put into the brain of a worthy individual will have nothing but positive effects, short, and long term.
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great page! Thx 4 the info & the trip reports (makes me "hungry").
Glad to have you Raf 8)
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Any thoughts on Oregon Country Fair Darling Reuinon campground?
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Any thoughts on Oregon Country Fair Darling Reuinon campground?
Sorry dude, not my coast. Im sure if you asked in the Festivals thread some one will have some input for you.
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25 newly dosed avatars from JCow.
20 somethings from 3janes December batch.
3 from jannis.
1 alex grey from jcows december batch.
NOM NOM NOM!
Got me a stash brotha mans!
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25 newly dosed avatars from JCow.
20 somethings from 3janes December batch.
3 from jannis.
1 alex grey from jcows december batch.
NOM NOM NOM!
Got me a stash brotha mans!
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Oh yea, riide the wavee. LOL
Now use the thought of all that head stash, to motivate you to only dose once every 3-5 weeks, whilst hoarding more tabs. By this time next year, you will have made a difference in the world (assuming you dose friends, and friends of friends) and in your self, for the better of coarse. 8) much love brother.
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Awe DB. I'm sorry it's all mine... I haven't any real friends...
But yes, as for time, it will take a great while, which is why I spent much time asking and researching storage techniques for the lovely Lucy. :)
Hehe Stash Stash Stash! Can't wait for more nummys!
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I hope one day I can have a stash like yours Onion, must be nice to have all that lucy! I'm just sitting here anticipating my mail, suppose to be getting the L soon! I don't have any real friends either but I have a brother but he's not into psychedelics, I hope I can change his mind one day though lol.
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just received my 10-pack of LSD vials from etizolam the other day! They actually came and I was very skeptical with them at first too. I placed two drops right onto my tongue and came up in about 40 mins and was peaking but almost two hours in. That was some of the cleanest Lucy I've fucked with in years!!
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just received my 10-pack of LSD vials from etizolam the other day! They actually came and I was very skeptical with them at first too. I placed two drops right onto my tongue and came up in about 40 mins and was peaking but almost two hours in. That was some of the cleanest Lucy I've fucked with in years!!
wow, im not only impressed, but still a skeptic. Your telling me you FE'd on over 3K USD ??
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Hi guys, I've got a question for you experienced acidheads. Last time I tripped on lsd was exactly 1 week after the previous lsd trip. I anticipated some tolerance, so upped the dose with 50% compared to the previous trip, 300 ug vs 200 ug the week before. The tabs I took were from the same supplier and batch. Setting was the same, and set was comparable to the week before I guess.
The come-up felt promising, but there was something seriously lacking in the rest of the trip. Almost like the magic that was experienced the week before was totally absent. Also the quality of the visuals was much lower compared to the week before. Still had an interesting time tho, but really wasn't comparable to the experience the week before.
Is it a safe assumption that 1 week between trips is not enough to trip to full potential? How long do you guys wait between trips to have an optimal experience again?
I hope you guys can share your wisdom and experiences to make this lsd novice a bit wiser :)
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Hi guys, I've got a question for you experienced acidheads. Last time I tripped on lsd was exactly 1 week after the previous lsd trip. I anticipated some tolerance, so upped the dose with 50% compared to the previous trip, 300 ug vs 200 ug the week before. The tabs I took were from the same supplier and batch. Setting was the same, and set was comparable to the week before I guess.
The come-up felt promising, but there was something seriously lacking in the rest of the trip. Almost like the magic that was experienced the week before was totally absent. Also the quality of the visuals was much lower compared to the week before. Still had an interesting time tho, but really wasn't comparable to the experience the week before.
Is it a safe assumption that 1 week between trips is not enough to trip to full potential? How long do you guys wait between trips to have an optimal experience again?
I hope you guys can share your wisdom and experiences to make this lsd novice a bit wiser :)
Everyone is a little different, but really you should at least wait a month to get that magic back in LSD.
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Hi guys, I've got a question for you experienced acidheads. Last time I tripped on lsd was exactly 1 week after the previous lsd trip. I anticipated some tolerance, so upped the dose with 50% compared to the previous trip, 300 ug vs 200 ug the week before. The tabs I took were from the same supplier and batch. Setting was the same, and set was comparable to the week before I guess.
The come-up felt promising, but there was something seriously lacking in the rest of the trip. Almost like the magic that was experienced the week before was totally absent. Also the quality of the visuals was much lower compared to the week before. Still had an interesting time tho, but really wasn't comparable to the experience the week before.
Is it a safe assumption that 1 week between trips is not enough to trip to full potential? How long do you guys wait between trips to have an optimal experience again?
I hope you guys can share your wisdom and experiences to make this lsd novice a bit wiser :)
I've had the same trouble you are having quite a few times. For example, at a festival thats 4 days long, I'm dosing all day everyday so its like one long trip. In the sense your talking about, I believe that your mind remembers the "magic" you feel to well because it happened too recently, therefore making it seem not as "magical"... In my opinion if you were to give it 3-7 weeks before another acid trip, you'll be happy :).
Also, i find that bigger doses for me keep the magic in it if you were to have to dose a week after(for a show or something).
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I just ate a December variety of 3Janes lovely Lucy.
NOM NOM NOM!
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Alls well. 8) 8) 8)
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love you stinkin people...
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Alls well. 8) 8) 8)
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love you stinkin people...
hahahh :D
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Hi guys, I've got a question for you experienced acidheads. Last time I tripped on lsd was exactly 1 week after the previous lsd trip. I anticipated some tolerance, so upped the dose with 50% compared to the previous trip, 300 ug vs 200 ug the week before. The tabs I took were from the same supplier and batch. Setting was the same, and set was comparable to the week before I guess.
The come-up felt promising, but there was something seriously lacking in the rest of the trip. Almost like the magic that was experienced the week before was totally absent. Also the quality of the visuals was much lower compared to the week before. Still had an interesting time tho, but really wasn't comparable to the experience the week before.
Is it a safe assumption that 1 week between trips is not enough to trip to full potential? How long do you guys wait between trips to have an optimal experience again?
I hope you guys can share your wisdom and experiences to make this lsd novice a bit wiser :)
I've had the same trouble you are having quite a few times. For example, at a festival thats 4 days long, I'm dosing all day everyday so its like one long trip. In the sense your talking about, I believe that your mind remembers the "magic" you feel to well because it happened too recently, therefore making it seem not as "magical"... In my opinion if you were to give it 3-7 weeks before another acid trip, you'll be happy :).
Also, i find that bigger doses for me keep the magic in it if you were to have to dose a week after(for a show or something).
Here is a link to a graph that shows you how much to dose to counter your tolerance as well as how long til you're back to baseline.
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/479297-The-Big-amp-Dandy-LSD-amp-Shroom-Tolerance-FAQ-and-Discussion-Thread
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Awesome find there DMT +1!
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I want you to try to shoot this idea down, if you can't then maybe you could just tell me what you think?
LSD for treating Asperger syndrome.
I have heard many people claim that Asperger is a genetic disorder, but this is not proved. The people I know with Asperger Syndrome all have been abused by at least one of their parents. To me it seems that emotional trauma might be at least one possible cause for the Syndrome.
I was once told by a psychiatrist that I had mild Asperger, mild enough to not get a diagnosis, since I could basically function normally. I have always had problems with social interaction, but I have been blind to this a lot of the time. I have been very mean to people at times without realizing it. However, starting three years ago in the beginning of my psychedelic adventure things changed dramatically. I started to understand and *value* how other people felt. I lost interest in self-satisfaction and became a much better friend, a more fluent conversationalist and less introverted.
How did this happen? The network of social interaction in groups of people appeared to me in hallucinations while tripping with others, these networks mapped the impact and consequences of different emotions giving me a larger perspective on the meaning and cause of emotions, and also how people expressed them in subtle ways.
I don't know if I would call myself "cured", but the use of LSD while interacting with other people has made a significant difference and at times I feel a deeper emotional understanding of people than I believe many other "normal" people do.
I have seen no research on the subject, and I doubt it would work for everybody, but damn, it is something that I want to spread because Asperger is a terrible handicap, even when it is as mild as mine was. I destroyed so many friendships just by having no social common sense. I hope others with the same problem can get some of the help I got :D
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I want you to try to shoot this idea down, if you can't then maybe you could just tell me what you think?
LSD for treating Asperger syndrome.
I have heard many people claim that Asperger is a genetic disorder, but this is not proved. The people I know with Asperger Syndrome all have been abused by at least one of their parents. To me it seems that emotional trauma might be at least one possible cause for the Syndrome.
I was once told by a psychiatrist that I had mild Asperger, mild enough to not get a diagnosis, since I could basically function normally. I have always had problems with social interaction, but I have been blind to this a lot of the time. I have been very mean to people at times without realizing it. However, starting three years ago in the beginning of my psychedelic adventure things changed dramatically. I started to understand and *value* how other people felt. I lost interest in self-satisfaction and became a much better friend, a more fluent conversationalist and less introverted.
How did this happen? The network of social interaction in groups of people appeared to me in hallucinations while tripping with others, these networks mapped the impact and consequences of different emotions giving me a larger perspective on the meaning and cause of emotions, and also how people expressed them in subtle ways.
I don't know if I would call myself "cured", but the use of LSD while interacting with other people has made a significant difference and at times I feel a deeper emotional understanding of people than I believe many other "normal" people do.
I have seen no research on the subject, and I doubt it would work for everybody, but damn, it is something that I want to spread because Asperger is a terrible handicap, even when it is as mild as mine was. I destroyed so many friendships just by having no social common sense. I hope others with the same problem can get some of the help I got :D
i disagree with aspergers being caused by emotional trauma. i have aspergers, as well as a lot of my relatives and varying levels. i have also spent a lot of time with various aspergers groups and i can honestly say it is genetic.
that being said, i completely agree with LSD helping with aspergers. theres a lot more i want to say, but i can't really put to words on it.
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i disagree with aspergers being caused by emotional trauma. i have aspergers, as well as a lot of my relatives and varying levels. i have also spent a lot of time with various aspergers groups and i can honestly say it is genetic.
that being said, i completely agree with LSD helping with aspergers. theres a lot more i want to say, but i can't really put to words on it.
I see. I am no scientist, and the scientists suspect genetic reasons so I guess mine was a wild shot. However I still believe that trauma might act as a "catalyst" for the condition *or* might result in similar symptoms. Maybe it might "potentiate" the syndrome, lessening the social adaptability of the person. I am just speculating :) My own experience tells me that social conditions during the childhood seem to greatly influence how big issues one gets with Asperger.
Great to see you agree on LSD being a potential tool for treating Asperger. Research has not gotten far when it comes to treating it with conventional methods; this just might be the thing they should examine :) How much would you say acid has helped you (or others you know)? Would you say it has led to great improvement, medium improvement or slight improvement? Do you think the improvement lasts even through long periods of abstinence from any psychedelics?
So many questions ;)
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I want you to try to shoot this idea down, if you can't then maybe you could just tell me what you think?
LSD for treating Asperger syndrome.
I have heard many people claim that Asperger is a genetic disorder, but this is not proved. The people I know with Asperger Syndrome all have been abused by at least one of their parents. To me it seems that emotional trauma might be at least one possible cause for the Syndrome.
I was once told by a psychiatrist that I had mild Asperger, mild enough to not get a diagnosis, since I could basically function normally. I have always had problems with social interaction, but I have been blind to this a lot of the time. I have been very mean to people at times without realizing it. However, starting three years ago in the beginning of my psychedelic adventure things changed dramatically. I started to understand and *value* how other people felt. I lost interest in self-satisfaction and became a much better friend, a more fluent conversationalist and less introverted.
How did this happen? The network of social interaction in groups of people appeared to me in hallucinations while tripping with others, these networks mapped the impact and consequences of different emotions giving me a larger perspective on the meaning and cause of emotions, and also how people expressed them in subtle ways.
I don't know if I would call myself "cured", but the use of LSD while interacting with other people has made a significant difference and at times I feel a deeper emotional understanding of people than I believe many other "normal" people do.
I have seen no research on the subject, and I doubt it would work for everybody, but damn, it is something that I want to spread because Asperger is a terrible handicap, even when it is as mild as mine was. I destroyed so many friendships just by having no social common sense. I hope others with the same problem can get some of the help I got :D
LSD and psilocybin have been proven to help with emotional trauma. If this is not the case, as stated above, I still believe that it would help very much because LSD makes is very easy to see from other perspectives, i.e. the perspective of another person. However, realistically, I would broaden the statement that LSD is good for anyone. It is a treatment for life & living. ;D
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i disagree with aspergers being caused by emotional trauma. i have aspergers, as well as a lot of my relatives and varying levels. i have also spent a lot of time with various aspergers groups and i can honestly say it is genetic.
that being said, i completely agree with LSD helping with aspergers. theres a lot more i want to say, but i can't really put to words on it.
I see. I am no scientist, and the scientists suspect genetic reasons so I guess mine was a wild shot. However I still believe that trauma might act as a "catalyst" for the condition *or* might result in similar symptoms. Maybe it might "potentiate" the syndrome, lessening the social adaptability of the person. I am just speculating :) My own experience tells me that social conditions during the childhood seem to greatly influence how big issues one gets with Asperger.
Great to see you agree on LSD being a potential tool for treating Asperger. Research has not gotten far when it comes to treating it with conventional methods; this just might be the thing they should examine :) How much would you say acid has helped you (or others you know)? Would you say it has led to great improvement, medium improvement or slight improvement? Do you think the improvement lasts even through long periods of abstinence from any psychedelics?
So many questions ;)
i think it has helped a lot, especially with being able to "read" people, their vibes and energy, something people with aspergers normally have a hard time doing. i do think that social conditions can have an impact on how aspergers affects a person, that is somewhat proven in the field, with occupational therapists helping with this. one of the problems though is that aspergers was recently taken off of the medical list of illness, which pissed off a lot of people int he aspergers community. i know a lot of people who would be able to do this kind of research, but i'm going to try and get them to do a study on marijuana and helping aspergers first, as i think it helped me a lot growing up and would be a easier study to get started then LSD. if you want to do more with it, check out the apsergers self advocacy network, i'm friendly with the person who started it/runs it, and i think he might be interested in what you have to say about research/ a study being done.
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LSD and psilocybin have been proven to help with emotional trauma. If this is not the case, as stated above, I still believe that it would help very much because LSD makes is very easy to see from other perspectives, i.e. the perspective of another person. However, realistically, I would broaden the statement that LSD is good for anyone. It is a treatment for life & living. ;D
Maybe not everyone, but most people if set and setting is right :) what I understand the benefits of Psilocybin and LSD are similar, but the way they reach results are very different. I would say that my understanding of human interaction has benefited most from LSD, while my acceptance of the fragility of existence and inevitability of death has benefited more from shrooms. But I digress! It is all probably variable to subjective differences.
i think it has helped a lot, especially with being able to "read" people, their vibes and energy, something people with aspergers normally have a hard time doing. i do think that social conditions can have an impact on how aspergers affects a person, that is somewhat proven in the field, with occupational therapists helping with this. one of the problems though is that aspergers was recently taken off of the medical list of illness, which pissed off a lot of people int he aspergers community. i know a lot of people who would be able to do this kind of research, but i'm going to try and get them to do a study on marijuana and helping aspergers first, as i think it helped me a lot growing up and would be a easier study to get started then LSD. if you want to do more with it, check out the apsergers self advocacy network, i'm friendly with the person who started it/runs it, and i think he might be interested in what you have to say about research/ a study being done.
Yeah, taking Asperger of the list seems very strange. I have yet to hear a good motivation. Thank you for the tip! It is great to hear that they are open to new ideas :D Will definitely research them and send them my thoughts. It surprises me however that Marijuana is being studied in this context; when I smoke I become very asocial and introverted, even though I come to a lot of useful insights. I guess we could say that the just as the person is affected by the drug, the drug is also affected by the person ;)
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@badniff, marijuana isn't being studied yet, but i really want it to be, and i feel it will be studied before LSD, just because there have already been a ton of proven benefits for it.
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@badniff, marijuana isn't being studied yet, but i really want it to be, and i feel it will be studied before LSD, just because there have already been a ton of proven benefits for it.
It seems I need glasses ;) The amount things that can be treated with cannabis are crazy. Epilepsy, Diabetes, Alzheimers, MS and so on. Though LSD does have a great track record as well :)
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Really awesome thread!
I think there is definitely something to the treatment of mental illness with psychedelics, I mean, if they can completely change a sober person's view of the world and themselves, then why would it be any different for psychiatric patients? Obviously a great deal more care should be taken as to not diminish their mental condition, yet I'm sure a proper dose of clean LSD could at least improve the condition of people who suffer from mild depression e.t.c.
As for marijuana, I suffer from an appetite disorder and insomnia - both of which are effectively cured when I have at least twice-daily access to a smoke. So in my mind there is no doubt as to it's medical value.
- JH
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Ok, I really want to give my roommat's 11 year old brother a half a tab of Tess's tabs.
If done this would not be without his consent. He is a VERY mature young boy and has watched his sister and I trip before. He is familiar with the idea of drugs.
He has been home schooled by his hippy, pot smoking, mother (and has eaten weed brownies on a few occasions), so he's not a purely innocent child. However, I'm still curious about what reaction a young child with have with LSD.
Does this sound like a horrible idea?
Is this wrong?
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IDK about horrible or wrong, im no one to judge. I do want to say though, there is a good chance he may very well lose his shit and harsh your mellow if you and your friends are trying to enjoy your selves.
I gave a friend a tab last night, it was his first time doing L. He lost his tits. He had to be babysat all night and morning long. Thats not to say that he didnt at all enjoy him self, but for him..and I alike to be honest, it was a bit scary.
The problem i would see with dosing some one so young, like in your case, is mainly that, that person, is yet to in fact be a person. That age is fundamental for developing his own individuality, which i feel LSD would not be very good for at such a young age.
As with any case, do as you please, just my two cents here. Much love.
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Ok, I really want to give my roommat's 11 year old brother a half a tab of Tess's tabs.
If done this would not be without his consent. He is a VERY mature young boy and has watched his sister and I trip before. He is familiar with the idea of drugs.
He has been home schooled by his hippy, pot smoking, mother (and has eaten weed brownies on a few occasions), so he's not a purely innocent child. However, I'm still curious about what reaction a young child with have with LSD.
Does this sound like a horrible idea?
Is this wrong?
Yeah, don't give it to him blind. He will just think he has gone insane. I mean damn, I would feel that way if I had never tripped on anything before. But my friends have done that to one another on a few occasion.
A few hours after breakfast w/laced beverage on his birthday.... "damn guys I feel fucking great...... almost like a took a big hit of acid!" ....... (changes tone) "Where'd you slip it in?" I thought I had him going but he played me. Got me back a few months later too. ;D
OK double take on that post. " Not without his consent." The double negative threw me. Idk man. I mean it's a toss up really. Personally I'd play it safe, I mean he may act mature, but his brain is still developing. I think the earliest one should dose is like 16, maybe 15. I mean 11? Pot's got nothing on acid. I remember a guy who was like late teens tripping for the first time, trying to compare it to weed and concluded, "Yep, this is about one million bajillion times [as strong as] weed." I kept telling him you can't really compare the two.
I don't think curiosity for both you and him is enough to justify tripping at that age.
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Yeah, I'm starting to think that this would interfere with his growth on an emotional level. I think I'll let the kid figure out who he is and establish himself emotionally before giving him any psychedelic drugs.
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Try to keep in mind, at his age, and level of life and drug experience, marijuana is still a psychedelic to him. Shit smoking pot made me fucking trip for the first 6 months of consistent smoking lol.
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Try to keep in mind, at his age, and level of life and drug experience, marijuana is still a psychedelic to him. Shit smoking pot made me fucking trip for the first 6 months of consistent smoking lol.
hell yeah. my first dooby was at 13..high as hell then at 15ish i really got high and i was tripping than too....I mean at 15 and never got really high and someone hooks you up with some purple hair amazon swamp jungle root ...pack that into a big ole bong bowl and smoke the hell out of it..your going to tripppp!...but i retract....i don't think you need to do L until your old enough to understand it...same with any drug in my opinion.
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Hell fuckn yea dude, i was passed a doob when i was 12, and every fucking time i smoked for a long time, i would straight bug the fuck out, totally bonkers, and i always loved it 8)
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Is LSD the most expensive chemical in the world? Dollars per gram.
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Is LSD the most expensive chemical in the world? Dollars per gram.
Probably. I mean if you were to sell mg's (10, 100ug hits) for $70, then that would make a gram worth $70,000. But you have to remember that the more you buy of it, it get's A LOT cheaper.
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Is LSD the most expensive chemical in the world? Dollars per gram.
Probably. I mean if you were to sell mg's (10, 100ug hits) for $70, then that would make a gram worth $70,000. But you have to remember that the more you buy of it, it get's A LOT cheaper.
Yeah. As far as I'm aware 1g of LSD is normally sold for around $30,000.
- JH
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4 Drops of TOC liquid, +1 in the eye 8)
Hell or glory..
Ride the wavee..
Karma for everyone!
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Jor's original christ broke my LSD cherry and i for one got in touch with the universe on a deeper level tha i have ever communicated with such greatness before. it has opened doors that cannot be closed and the quest continues along waiting for the next meaningful distraction
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i havnt done any real lsd since shangri la 2011!ahhhhhhhhhhhh
but im waiting for a 5 strip from tess 8)
very very excited to know for sure im not taking some shit RC
get so fuckin pissed when my friends get some blotter paper and swear up and down its lsd
but yes like i said i am fucking pumped for this!!!!!!!!!
wondering if any experienced trippers have tried his current stock of doses and what they thought/how many they took
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Jor's original christ broke my LSD cherry and i for one got in touch with the universe on a deeper level tha i have ever communicated with such greatness before. it has opened doors that cannot be closed and the quest continues along waiting for the next meaningful distraction
Such quality LSD to start with. This is the beauty of the road.
Also, enjoy yourself DB. :)
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Jor's original christ broke my LSD cherry and i for one got in touch with the universe on a deeper level tha i have ever communicated with such greatness before. it has opened doors that cannot be closed and the quest continues along waiting for the next meaningful distraction
Such quality LSD to start with. This is the beauty of the road.
Also, enjoy yourself DB. :)
Will do brother. Much love
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Jor's original christ broke my LSD cherry and i for one got in touch with the universe on a deeper level tha i have ever communicated with such greatness before. it has opened doors that cannot be closed and the quest continues along waiting for the next meaningful distraction
This Christ liquid is effing amazing, rock on brother.
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this is an AWESOME thread... lucy and i will always be lovers :)
if she ever comes back around... its so hard to find GOOD lsd nowadays
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this is an AWESOME thread... lucy and i will always be lovers :)
if she ever comes back around... its so hard to find GOOD lsd nowadays
Thanks, and not all dude, have you seen the LSD Avengers thread? Save your $, wait for star vendors to have their listings, and enjoy 8)
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i havnt done any real lsd since shangri la 2011!ahhhhhhhhhhhh
but im waiting for a 5 strip from tess 8)
very very excited to know for sure im not taking some shit RC
get so fuckin pissed when my friends get some blotter paper and swear up and down its lsd
but yes like i said i am fucking pumped for this!!!!!!!!!
wondering if any experienced trippers have tried his current stock of doses and what they thought/how many they took
Hey dude, Tess' shit is a good choice as far as the product quality goes, price ehh, not so much.
I havnt had any tabs from the more recent or current batches, but the general consensus seems to be that they are not as strong as the first batch. Though there hasnt been any complaints pertaining to the tabs not being strong enough, just not as strong as advertised.
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this is an AWESOME thread... lucy and i will always be lovers :)
if she ever comes back around... its so hard to find GOOD lsd nowadays
Thanks, and not all dude, have you seen the LSD Avengers thread? Save your $, wait for star vendors to have their listings, and enjoy 8)
Yeah, I mean you are on the silk road forums, are you not? Why wait til good LSD comes around? It's always around on the road. :D
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Ugh, very bad vibes. I have another order from Tess that should be arriving soon, placed before this recent business about reduced potency. Do I take the same number of tabs as last time and risk being underwhelmed, or do I take a larger amount and risk being overwhelmed? Are these newer results testing at 120-150ug from a batch newer than what was being sold one month ago?
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Ugh, very bad vibes. I have another order from Tess that should be arriving soon, placed before this recent business about reduced potency. Do I take the same number of tabs as last time and risk being underwhelmed, or do I take a larger amount and risk being overwhelmed? Are these newer results testing at 120-150ug from a batch newer than what was being sold one month ago?
I don't know about the tess tabs, but I would go with the "more" option. Personally, I never regret taking "too much" (is this even possible? ;D ), but only taking too little. I'm sure some people can feel overwhelmed and not quite enjoy it, but I never get that way.
Basically, depends on your experiences with LSD.
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Ugh, very bad vibes. I have another order from Tess that should be arriving soon, placed before this recent business about reduced potency. Do I take the same number of tabs as last time and risk being underwhelmed, or do I take a larger amount and risk being overwhelmed? Are these newer results testing at 120-150ug from a batch newer than what was being sold one month ago?
I don't know about the tess tabs, but I would go with the "more" option. Personally, I never regret taking "too much" (is this even possible? ;D ), but only taking too little. I'm sure some people can feel overwhelmed and not quite enjoy it, but I never get that way.
Basically, depends on your experiences with LSD.
No such thing as 'too much LSD' 8)
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Ugh, very bad vibes. I have another order from Tess that should be arriving soon, placed before this recent business about reduced potency. Do I take the same number of tabs as last time and risk being underwhelmed, or do I take a larger amount and risk being overwhelmed? Are these newer results testing at 120-150ug from a batch newer than what was being sold one month ago?
I don't know about the tess tabs, but I would go with the "more" option. Personally, I never regret taking "too much" (is this even possible? ;D ), but only taking too little. I'm sure some people can feel overwhelmed and not quite enjoy it, but I never get that way.
Basically, depends on your experiences with LSD.
No such thing as 'too much LSD' 8)
I know a guy who helped himself to some liquid acid without consulting the owner. Learned shortly after that he had just consumed about 300 hits. I would say that is too much haha. He made it though, not sure how much worse for wear. He was kinda special to begin with so who knows.
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Ugh, very bad vibes. I have another order from Tess that should be arriving soon, placed before this recent business about reduced potency. Do I take the same number of tabs as last time and risk being underwhelmed, or do I take a larger amount and risk being overwhelmed? Are these newer results testing at 120-150ug from a batch newer than what was being sold one month ago?
I don't know about the tess tabs, but I would go with the "more" option. Personally, I never regret taking "too much" (is this even possible? ;D ), but only taking too little. I'm sure some people can feel overwhelmed and not quite enjoy it, but I never get that way.
Basically, depends on your experiences with LSD.
No such thing as 'too much LSD' 8)
I know a guy who helped himself to some liquid acid without consulting the owner. Learned shortly after that he had just consumed about 300 hits. I would say that is too much haha. He made it though, not sure how much worse for wear. He was kinda special to begin with so who knows.
Tim Leary was reported to dose on tens of thousands of UG per trip ;D
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Ugh, very bad vibes. I have another order from Tess that should be arriving soon, placed before this recent business about reduced potency. Do I take the same number of tabs as last time and risk being underwhelmed, or do I take a larger amount and risk being overwhelmed? Are these newer results testing at 120-150ug from a batch newer than what was being sold one month ago?
I don't know about the tess tabs, but I would go with the "more" option. Personally, I never regret taking "too much" (is this even possible? ;D ), but only taking too little. I'm sure some people can feel overwhelmed and not quite enjoy it, but I never get that way.
Basically, depends on your experiences with LSD.
No such thing as 'too much LSD' 8)
I know a guy who helped himself to some liquid acid without consulting the owner. Learned shortly after that he had just consumed about 300 hits. I would say that is too much haha. He made it though, not sure how much worse for wear. He was kinda special to begin with so who knows.
Tim Leary was reported to dose on tens of thousands of UG per trip ;D
Man, the body load on hundreds of hits seems like it would be terrible. The dude I know said he was high for weeks.
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this is an AWESOME thread... lucy and i will always be lovers :)
if she ever comes back around... its so hard to find GOOD lsd nowadays
Thanks, and not all dude, have you seen the LSD Avengers thread? Save your $, wait for star vendors to have their listings, and enjoy 8)
Yeah, I mean you are on the silk road forums, are you not? Why wait til good LSD comes around? It's always around on the road. :D
No good prices by U.S. domestic vendors. Gotta keep it domestic, fuck customs.
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I've been thinking about writing this for many years… maybe now is the time..?
All that's written here happened when I was 17 years old… many years ago and many trips ago…
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My very first LSD trip went as such: me and a friend (both new to the L-world) took some L somewhere in his students' flat. After a few beers and a few joints we were thinking: "hey, we don't feel anything from this"… but 10 minutes later my friend starts to act strangely… He wants to "find normality"… He does all kind of stuff to find it… and somewhere along that road he suggests: "He, let's throw you out of the window to see if you'd fly"…
Thank God I was able to calm him down before he actually threw me out of the window…
A few weeks later, my friend and I would go to a party. I had some 'srooms with me and lots of other "funny products". As usual I start dosing, a bit of everything together with some more of everything - but to him I say: "best not to take anything since your last experience was quite weird"…
but a bit later I"m to wasted and I don't realize that he eats some of my 'shrooms.
And 2 or 3 hours later we're out there, in that town, next to the train station a few hundreds meters from the party, and he's flipping out.
He tries to hit me. I dive. He tries to hit me again, I dive.
He think's I want to kill him… (but I don't!)
BASICLY: he's tripping out of his head and thinks I'm gone kill him… ? my best friend?
whatever….
damn, fuck this… I'll write later…
next attempt:
he tries to hit me, I dive, he tries to hit me, I dive…. then he starts to talk to me. Im kneeling on the ground. The moment I try to get up he tries to kick me. So I get back on my knees. Now we can talk - he talks to me as he would talk to a frog…
- we talk -
then he asks me for a glass of orange juice… so I go and get one for him at the party, but when I come back to him he's laughing. "I called my mam, I called my mam!".
Godddamn… what to do? … I'm tripping...
I decide to stay, to help my friend. Stay with him - because he's lost it.
I don't care about myself, my safety, my future (I got the LSD a few weeks ago, I got the shrooms this week - if this get's out I can end up with LOTS of problems!) - I just don't care about myself, I stay there to help my friend…
So we wait for his mom to come and get him (at 3AM).
4 AM his mother get's there… he get's in the car and asks her to drive away saying that I want to kill him. His mother takes him in the car and drives 100m. They talk for 5 minutes. I wait. The car comes back.
I look at his mother and say: "miss, your boy and I have taken LSD some weeks ago, tonight he took some shrooms from me and now he's stuck in a bad trip. I'm sorry for that but I stayed because I wanted to help him. Now you need to help him, to make him feel safe, to bring him home and nurture him. Give him some orange juice or so and keep him warm, comfortable and safe… That way he'll be fine, Miss…".
5AM his mother asks me if I want to get in the car. I say I can handle myself and I'll go somewhere safe. She asks me where that is. I tell her where it is. She says she'll bring me there. But my friend doesn't want me in the car - he still think's I'm trying to kill him. She tell's him to be quiet.
She says: "OK, but what about you? How will you do now? Get in the car and I'll bring you to your *safe place*".
I was amazed by this woman at that moment… never a woman amazed me more than at that moment… she was trying to take care of me - even after what her boy had told her and even after what I had told her…
So I got in the car and she drove me to my safe place… there I crawled into a bed next to a very good friend, felt safe and in the end I got some sleep as well…
Next day I tried to call my friend, I got his mam on the phone: "Yes, he's doing fine - but you will understand that we don't want you to have contact with him for a while.".
Off course I understood, my friends mind was still not back to normal… somewhere he got a "bump" on his road… it took him many years to get over that "bump". During those years, each time I'd call him I could hear his voice change when he recognized mine… his voice changed into the voice he used when he was trying to kick me in the face in front of the station… he voice changed into the voice he was using when speaking to the frog...
I loved my friend (and still do), a great guy, so I kept calling him and supporting him threw out the years and now we can laugh about it…
But all this writing is just an introduction to my first real LSD experience… one that wasn't born without pain…nor complications as you could already read.
During the previous LSD-experience I had ingested some acid, but hadn't felt the effect of it. That would change…
A few months after this endeavor I had met other people and had gotten deeper into the psychedelic scene in my country. I met another guy who wanted to go to a very special festival and we decided to go together… waow, that was a special place… really special - decoration, vibes, music, people, … quite select psychedelic scene, end of the 90's…
At the beginning of the evening we drop some MDMA pills (if I remember right) and we go to the dance floor. Shortly after arriving there my new friend comes to me and says: "I know someone who has good LSD. Wanna get some?".
I still wanted to understand what LSD was all about, so off course I said: "yes!".
So we go to this dealer, and older guy with a white beard and no shirt. He looks at us in the backlight and gives us 2 blotters…
We put that on our tongue and continue dancing, like if nothing major was gone happen… oh boy, oh boy…
I'd say about 30 minutes later we look at each other (my newly met friend and myself) and we're like: "Hey, let's go to the tent and smoke a joint, relax a bit and drink some water maybe.", "Yeah, sounds good. Let's go".
So we leave the dance floor and go down to the tents. I can't remember anything from the walk threw the forest - it was all decorated with backlights and stuff all over the trees and what not… it must have been beautiful but I just can't remember anything from that walk.
Then we get at our tent, we sit down, relax a bit and have a sip of water (instead of the beer we were having at the dance floor). We smoke a joint and lay down for a while. Our bodies feel quite heavy, but without any real LSD experience we don't really know what is happening - so we just decide to get in the tent and see what's coming…
Once in the tent I start to try 'n roll a joint… but I just can't roll it anymore - the weed keeps on running away from the tobacco. Every time I put some more weed on the paper, it runs away… I try and I try and I try, but it's just impossible to roll a joint at this stage. So I put it aside and look at my friend. He's laughing at me, "wow, this is intense"…
Damn, yes it is intense… it's getting harder and harder to move… soon we're almost not able to move our body anymore.
I start to feel uncomfortable. I feel sick. I feel in danger. I feel I should run for help but i can't move. I can't move. My leg's don't move. I want to scream!
I want to scream but I can't scream! I can't scream! I can't run away!
Help!
I don't know what's happening.
Oh boy, oh boy - what's happening…
my throat starts to swell, I can hardly swallow. It's painful to swallow. I can't breath.
Can I breath? Am I breathing? I don't know… I hurts.
What hurts? I don't know - everything.
My body, my head, my fingers…
I rub my fingers against each other. I feel blood between my fingers. I feel needles sticked in my fingers. I feel needles everywhere. I feel needles over my whole body. I feel needles piercing my skin over my whole body, every square cm there are 4 needles in my skin. I can't see them. I can't open my eyes. I can't open my eyes.
But I can feel them. They are piercing my skin. I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding everywhere. I can feel the warmth of my blood on my skin. I'm bleeding. I'm loosing my blood. I'm in pain. It hurts. I'm bleeding from all those needles. Everywhere where I have skin there are needles.
Even on my tongue there are needles. My tongue is bleeding. I swallow my blood. There is too much blood. I can't swallow it all. It's too much blood. It hurts. I don't know what's happening. I have needles all over my body, piercing my skin and I'm suffocating in my own blood. Help! I need help, but I can't speak. I can't open my eyes. I'm in pain… I'm suffocating in my blood! I'm suffocating!!!
* and then * all of a sudden * comes one thought * like a star from heaven *
"Wait, I'm not sober. I'm under influence. I took LSD. I'm tripping."
So I'm still in pain, agonizing pain, but at least I remember now that I took some LSD. But I'm still in so much pain. I'm still not able to breath because I'm suffocating in my own blood… I'm scared and alone, I can't open my eyes and I can't speak or scream…
*then * another * thought * comes * in * like * a * little * star * to * rescue * me:
"I took LSD because I want to understand it, because I want to experience the miracle of it. I took LSD because I want to learn and to have fun. I choose to do this. "
and then, just at once - the pain goes away, the suffocating goes away, the needles go away… all the darkness goes away and I can see myself, or at least some form of myself…
and bit by bit that form of myself is torn apart. First in big pieces, then in smaller pieces. I can see it happen. It scares me and it hurts me, but I don't feel the pain nor the fear. But it's painful and scary.
And I'm getting torn apart, bit by bit - smaller and smaller.
Limbs, leg's, organs, then tissues, then systems, them molecules, then atoms… then…
then…
then there is only 1 atom left. there is no more pain left. no more fear. no more scariness or whatsoever. nothing left. only this one atom… but even this atom is torn. it explodes in my face. the light blinds me… it hurts my eyes but I can't scream - there is no "I", there is no body, no voice, no mind to pronounce pain - there is no.
this atom explodes,
and explodes,
and explodes,
in my face - really IN MY FACE, not on it, but in it.
it explodes and then it implodes again,
then it explodes and implodes…
and again…
and again…
and I'm in the middle of it;
but there is no "I" - just perception (note: kind of like the camera of a journalist, but without the journalist)
and I explode and I implode
and again
and again
this goes on for long…
I don't know how long…
but LOOONG - maybe for hours
then this stops and I start to float
float between the stars
or not
but float between bright points of light
floating
no body, no thinking mind, no heartbeat or breathing - just the universe
I'm the universe
the universe is what I am…
floating
no more pain, no more fear, no more needles - not even the memory of it, not even words,
no nothing,
only the universe
my mind without me
only "a" mind
the universe
and I float and float and float and float…
then bit by bit my body starts to reappear in this universe - but at first it's not my body, it's just a body that's being constructed from scratch, from the atoms, from the molecules, from the tissues, from the organs,… bit by bit this body is being rebuild again…
bit by bit consciousness is starting to come again…
words are coming back - words to think
then I accept my body as it accepts me. I'm still tripping very hard, but from within a body (a body within the trip). with this body I meet people, I see things, I experience all kind of non-describable thing's.
and then, after many hours for the first time there is something as a "feeling", a "bodily feeling". But the senses have been "twisted"… I "feel odours", I "hear smell", I "touch sound", I "smell pressure"… very strange sensations… I know it's not supposed to be sensed that way, but still it feels natural at this moment
but then the realization comes: this is a trip and it's about to end… but I don't want it to end… so I try to run towards it, but the more I run towards it, the more my senses are awakened and the more I'm un-tripping.
after approximately 8 or 9 hours out of my body I come back to my "self".
after maybe 10 hours I can open my eyes again.
I try to roll a joint, the weed still runs away but not as fast as before. Now I'm able to roll the joint.
I open the tent. It's a bright day out there.
My friend opens his eyes.
"Waow" he sais. We can't say more at this point yet.
I just ask him: "you ok?" - he says: "OK".
that's it for now.
we look outside the tent.
There is a world out there.
wow, it's beautiful.
so many colours.
waow.
nothing ever looked as beautiful as it does now.
the memories of the night are too intense to cope with right now.
we just smoke some weed and look at the world.
then we try to drink water - like if we never drank water before, like if it was the first time we drank, the first time ever…. how do you drink?
the throat that was gasping for air a few hours ago, the throat that was filled with needles, the throat that was suffocating in its own blood - that throat now drinks water for the first time ever… this is unreal…
it feels like I just left reality to come back to "this".
after a few hours we get up and pack our stuff
we brake up the tent and go home, the party is finished and all need to leave
in the train we sit next to some old hippies
they speak with us
I have no idea what they said to us
I'm still tripping a bit - colors, sounds, senses…
can't remember how I got home.
it took me many months to assimilate and accept all that I had seen/experienced/been during this incredible experience.
without ANY doubt the single most painful moments of my life
but also without ANY doubt the single most beautiful and rewarding moments of my life.
Now I'm twice as old as I was then.
I tripped probably over 100 times since then on almost every possible substance
but I've never had such a profound experience again - ever…
I keep on looking for it,
but be sure that I'm also scared of it…
I would give so much to be able to experience the second part of this trip again, but I would give even more to NOT experience the first part of this trip again…
Without any doubt this was a deep and profound "ego-death".
Since then, it feels like I don't need to have my ego die any more when tripping - I can trip out of my body without "all of this fuzz".
Don't know why. Don't know what exactly happened. I know I was VERY close to going insane. To going crazy. I really walked the line. I was on the line where I could choose to go left and become crazy or go right and stay "sane". I decided not to go crazy then, but I could just as well have decided to do…
I know tenths of people who've taken LSD and I've spoken to hundreds of people about it, but there is only 1 person I know of who can really relate to the experience I tried to describe here…
I'm not sure many people have the opportunity to experience this in such a profound way, in such a conscious way… but maybe I'm mistaking.
This was my first attempt at writing down what happened then - many, many years ago. While writing I was trembling and almost re-experiencing the whole thing again (I must admit that I took some ketamine to write this), I could almost feel the pain and the fear again - but the beauty, no. The beauty was so intense I can't even remember it right. I can't re-experience that, it was too much - there is no way of really re-experiencing this without going the whole way again, you can't just remember the beauty, it would only be a small image of a huge totality. Like a 1 square meter painting of a landscape that covers 1 thousands of square meters…
Bottom line is: I'm very happy it happened to me. This moment was defining for the rest of my life and it saved my life as well…. it was the most intense, beautiful, painful, joyful, scary and *total* experience I ever had.
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I don't know about the tess tabs, but I would go with the "more" option. Personally, I never regret taking "too much" (is this even possible? ;D ), but only taking too little. I'm sure some people can feel overwhelmed and not quite enjoy it, but I never get that way.
Basically, depends on your experiences with LSD.
No such thing as 'too much LSD' 8)
So up until now I've stuck with a dose of 500ug, which is very intense (though always very enjoyable)for me. I am very much interested in trying a larger dose, perhaps 750. But my concern is, following this experience will I feel underwhelmed by 500ug doses?
In the interest of conserving product and saving money, I'd like to not make a habit of munching down 75$ worth of acid every time I trip. But I would definitely like to see what a larger amount than I'm used to feels like at least once.
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I don't know about the tess tabs, but I would go with the "more" option. Personally, I never regret taking "too much" (is this even possible? ;D ), but only taking too little. I'm sure some people can feel overwhelmed and not quite enjoy it, but I never get that way.
Basically, depends on your experiences with LSD.
No such thing as 'too much LSD' 8)
So up until now I've stuck with a dose of 500ug, which is very intense (though always very enjoyable)for me. I am very much interested in trying a larger dose, perhaps 750. But my concern is, following this experience will I feel underwhelmed by 500ug doses?
In the interest of conserving product and saving money, I'd like to not make a habit of munching down 75$ worth of acid every time I trip. But I would definitely like to see what a larger amount than I'm used to feels like at least once.
As long as you wait at least 30 days between doses, you will in no way be underwhelmed by your typical 500ug dose.
On occasion, Ill drop 10 tabs, over 1000ug, then 3-5 weeks later, just one tab @100ug, and its still magical. Its all about the in between time dude. Much love.
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Hi guys, got a question. Does eating while tripping on acid lessens the intensity of the trip? If so, is this with eating in general, or only with certain kinds of foods? On most of my trips I get hungry at some point, and have something to eat, fruits mostly. It seems that after the meal, I feel a little less high than before. Could be that I'm just coming down, as I mostly eat after the peak, but maybe you guys can tell me if eating gets you down faster?
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Hi guys, got a question. Does eating while tripping on acid lessens the intensity of the trip? If so, is this with eating in general, or only with certain kinds of foods? On most of my trips I get hungry at some point, and have something to eat, fruits mostly. It seems that after the meal, I feel a little less high than before. Could be that I'm just coming down, as I mostly eat after the peak, but maybe you guys can tell me if eating gets you down faster?
eating will not interfere with your trip unless you dose soon after eating, as the lsd would take longer to be absorbed.
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Hi guys, got a question. Does eating while tripping on acid lessens the intensity of the trip? If so, is this with eating in general, or only with certain kinds of foods? On most of my trips I get hungry at some point, and have something to eat, fruits mostly. It seems that after the meal, I feel a little less high than before. Could be that I'm just coming down, as I mostly eat after the peak, but maybe you guys can tell me if eating gets you down faster?
eating will not interfere with your trip unless you dose soon after eating, as the lsd would take longer to be absorbed.
Glad to hear it! Eating fruits is so enjoyable, somehow my experience of taste gets totally transformed while on lsd. Facinating stuff :)
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Nothing beats a freshly cut Pineapple when on L. Some pineapple, a pair of dark shades and a nice sunny day, thats the life. 8)
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Hey guys I have a question and it's a bit embarrassing but I couldn't find any answer to this specific question so I thought I'd ask it here. I tripped off acid about two days ago and I think the culprit that triggered my bad trip was the fact that I slightly held my piss a second too long and coincidentally it was around the 6 hour mark where things really got intense, visual loops and melting vision and all. So I make my way to the bathroom and find out I feel like I can barely piss, only thing I could think in my mind is "vasoconstriction?" then I felt like I damaged my self because a vein near my leg felt strained from holding the urine before I got to the bathroom. Any who it's better kinda pinching a bit but I'm guessing it'll be gone in a few days. The real question though is do most of you get really hydrated before tripping and then restrict all intakes of fluid as it gets closer to the peak or do you drink throughout the whole thing. I mean maybe it was in my mind all but I really felt like I couldn't piss.
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LOL, thats funny, because I also have issues with pissing when on L.. most all the time, i dont keep track of how much ive drank, some times alot, some times not much at all.
When im teetering on ego loss, all day or not while tripping i catch myself literally grabbing my dick cause i come very close to pissing myself, or at least it feels like it, then when i go pee, some times nothing, some times a struggle then some tinkles. Im not sure what goes on here with tthis, but your not the only one with urinary troubles when tripping.
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Haha that's good to know, well next time I'll just be sure to listen to my body. It was really my first time tripping like that and I had my bro with me so I kept goofing around saying in my mind "okay i'm going to go to the bathroom now" but the fun just got the best of me lol. The same thing happened to me though it was a struggle and then mostly nothing. I just keep wishing I would have went, I don't regret it though that bad trip was really in a strange way great. Like being a kid scared to go into the haunted house but find that in the end everything is ok. It was honestly my biggest fear but now I feel even more confident in my ability to control my self. I just can't get over the fact that I literally watched everything in front of me melt. The people on the t.v. I grabbed my shirt and it just drooped down like silly puddy. Then it was a commercial that just kept looping until I realized that I was paying attention to the loop and there was a face that was had no expression then smiled. I kept looking and the smile just got progressively more evil and looking devilish it was crazy man I had no idea it could go so far.
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SOunds like an awesome first trip, much love dude. +1 for poppn the L cherry 8)
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Thanks man +1 for you too just returning the love :D
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On pissing on LSD: I used to get the problem sometimes, sometimes not. I agree that I usually don't usually pay any attention to pissing while tripping, but on the other hand I'm usually good to keep myself hydrated by drinking lots of water. Sometimes you just don't really feel the need to piss when it's there. I think that ultimately what it was was subconsciously clenching the dick or whatever part down there holds the piss in. I think the best solution is to try not to do that, but even more so, go to the bathroom right when you have to go, holding in piss/shit can make you hold it in longer than you wanted to.
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On pissing on LSD: I used to get the problem sometimes, sometimes not. I agree that I usually don't usually pay any attention to pissing while tripping, but on the other hand I'm usually good to keep myself hydrated by drinking lots of water. Sometimes you just don't really feel the need to piss when it's there. I think that ultimately what it was was subconsciously clenching the dick or whatever part down there holds the piss in. I think the best solution is to try not to do that, but even more so, go to the bathroom right when you have to go, holding in piss/shit can make you hold it in longer than you wanted to.
I agree, when I'm having that issue, I find the more I think about it, the worse it gets. Its a vicious subconcious cycle.
When my attn is occupied, its never an issue.
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I always try to take a good piss either before I drop or 30 mins in.
I drink normally throughout the trip, maybe a little more than normal.
By the time I have to piss again, I'm usually on the downslope of my peak - though it can be somewhat difficult.
I find if it is difficult, not to sweat it and sit down for a poop with some comic books or play some crazy games on my phone.
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I'm reading this book 'The Psychedelic Experience' at the moment, written by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner and Richard Alpert.
The book is a translation/interpretation of the Tibetan book of the dead, from a psychedelic point of view. The book is focused on giving the user the tools to get to a ego loss state, and experience what is called 'the clear light'. Many tips are given for all stages of the trip.
Having 'accidentally' experienced this state one time myself, I completely understand why one would make this the goal of a trip. To experience this 'one truth' was truly beautiful, it did change my perspective on many things, might call it life changing. So I'm kinda exited to try and use this book to guide me back to that state.
Did any of you guys read this book, was it helpful for you? Parts seem a little vague to me, I have some doubts about the effectiveness of the given tips. It will be a couple weeks before I will trip again, would love to hear your experiences with this book in the meantime :)
Have a nice weekend all!
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I'm reading this book 'The Psychedelic Experience' at the moment, written by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner and Richard Alpert.
The book is a translation/interpretation of the Tibetan book of the dead, from a psychedelic point of view. The book is focused on giving the user the tools to get to a ego loss state, and experience what is called 'the clear light'. Many tips are given for all stages of the trip.
Having 'accidentally' experienced this state one time myself, I completely understand why one would make this the goal of a trip. To experience this 'one truth' was truly beautiful, it did change my perspective on many things, might call it life changing. So I'm kinda exited to try and use this book to guide me back to that state.
Did any of you guys read this book, was it helpful for you? Parts seem a little vague to me, I have some doubts about the effectiveness of the given tips. It will be a couple weeks before I will trip again, would love to hear your experiences with this book in the meantime :)
Have a nice weekend all!
oh yes, i love this book! definitely most helpful... and essential reading for anyone interested in the psychedelic state. i found the tips to be very effective, invaluable even. in that state it is extremely important to let go of any resistance and go with the flow. oftentimes just surrendering to the experience is enough to pull you out of a "bad trip." if anyone wants to read the psychedelic experience but doesn't have a copy, the text is here: http://deoxy.org/psyexp.htm :)
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Just got 10 of JOR's today, couldn't be more excited for this weekend. Too much 25i lately.
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LSD is boss. GOOD VIBES lssb!!
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subbing, this thread is interesting ;)
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Glad to have you wuty!
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Responding to question I redirected from the avengers thread:
Hi all...
This is the first time I've had an opportunity to mix n match tabs thanks to the abundance of lucy on SR. Approx 17 days ago I dropped 1.5 of Tess WOW and had a great experience, euphoria and visuals. 6 days ago I dropped 1 Gandalf which I assume was originally sourced from JC and experienced amazing euphoria but only the slightest visuals (perhaps due to short turn around.)
How often do you guys mix n match different tabs? I am feeling musically creative and will be dropping some lucy this weekend. The turnaround is 7 days. I was thinking:
1 tess and 1 gandalf or
2 gandalf or
1 tess and 2 gandalf.
I desire to achieve visuals and the typical acid euphoria but need to be able to operate computer sequencing software. Any suggestions/advise would be welcome and I apologize if my post deviates from the OP intentions (it's all about acid at the end of the day.)
Cheers lucy lovers
Personally I think you would have to be very, very intuitive to be able to mix and match with any sort of consideration other than simply adding up the dosages, and if the effects of certains acids really stand out. In terms of being able to use that software, I think that dosage & functionality on said dosage always depends on the tripper. I am usually ALWAYS good on anything less than 400ug for any task and most of the time I can function for most things (especially those creative in nature) up very high, but sometimes when I go to a very high dose (800-1200ug) my thoughts come TO me, rather than being FROM me.
I think that tomorrow, since it being LSD's big day and all, I think I'll be taking a piece of all the LSD I own, which ends up being from 7 or 8 sources, wish me luck!
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Responding to question I redirected from the avengers thread:
Hi all...
This is the first time I've had an opportunity to mix n match tabs thanks to the abundance of lucy on SR. Approx 17 days ago I dropped 1.5 of Tess WOW and had a great experience, euphoria and visuals. 6 days ago I dropped 1 Gandalf which I assume was originally sourced from JC and experienced amazing euphoria but only the slightest visuals (perhaps due to short turn around.)
How often do you guys mix n match different tabs? I am feeling musically creative and will be dropping some lucy this weekend. The turnaround is 7 days. I was thinking:
1 tess and 1 gandalf or
2 gandalf or
1 tess and 2 gandalf.
I desire to achieve visuals and the typical acid euphoria but need to be able to operate computer sequencing software. Any suggestions/advise would be welcome and I apologize if my post deviates from the OP intentions (it's all about acid at the end of the day.)
Cheers lucy lovers
Personally I think you would have to be very, very intuitive to be able to mix and match with any sort of consideration other than simply adding up the dosages, and if the effects of certains acids really stand out. In terms of being able to use that software, I think that dosage & functionality on said dosage always depends on the tripper. I am usually ALWAYS good on anything less than 400ug for any task and most of the time I can function for most things (especially those creative in nature) up very high, but sometimes when I go to a very high dose (800-1200ug) my thoughts come TO me, rather than being FROM me.
I think that tomorrow, since it being LSD's big day and all, I think I'll be taking a piece of all the LSD I own, which ends up being from 7 or 8 sources, wish me luck!
Thanks for the redirect and discovery of this thread.
After contemplation, perhaps 1 Tess and 2 gandalfs.
Good luck on the multi tab extravaganza.
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Wow, the information on this forum is growing exponentially! It's turning into a full time job just to keep up with all you wonderful folks. Thanks for starting this thread, DB! I've got some catching up to do :D
EDIT: Wait a minute... You just changed the title of the thread on me. It's not new. I've even posted in this very thread countless times. You conniving Dirty little Biscuit ;)! Tricking me into rereading thoroughly interesting posts! LOL. I was thinking this was the GGA's trip report thread for a second. Or I think DMTisinME mentioned starting a new LSD thread I think, too. The Avengers thread was getting a little hairy for a while there when arguments about Tess popped up. Ugh. Love and light to all, hell throw in some penis enlargements to those in need while we're at it. Alright, it's been a long week. Off to the self induced DMT trip that is sleep. Hope you all had a wonderful holiday!
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Wow, the information on this forum is growing exponentially! It's turning into a full time job just to keep up with all you wonderful folks. Thanks for starting this thread, DB! I've got some catching up to do :D
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SO i just finished up a good 5drop dose of TOC, everything was beautiful, all night long. Then into the wee AM hours i needed a pill to sleep, and was out of xanax, so i find a trazadone...guys steeer clearr, of those things, theyre fucking dangerous, cause i ate one, and long story short, i just got out the ER. Yuck, what an ordeal =(
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SO i just finished up a good 5drop dose of TOC, everything was beautiful, all night long. Then into the wee AM hours i needed a pill to sleep, and was out of xanax, so i find a trazadone...guys steeer clearr, of those things, theyre fucking dangerous, cause i ate one, and long story short, i just got out the ER. Yuck, what an ordeal =(
brother, I'm sorry to hear about this.
are you ok now, db?
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SO i just finished up a good 5drop dose of TOC, everything was beautiful, all night long. Then into the wee AM hours i needed a pill to sleep, and was out of xanax, so i find a trazadone...guys steeer clearr, of those things, theyre fucking dangerous, cause i ate one, and long story short, i just got out the ER. Yuck, what an ordeal =(
Much love your way, db. Feel better.
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(hopefully someone here can help me out, the avengers ignored me :P )
so i recently got some l from basically the most notorious vendor on here. (i dont even have to say a name.)
the trip was good, but i noticed some vasoconstriction. (other than that it was very clean... still curious)
i took three so considering that i had an extremely clean trip, BUT.
they tasted like hairspray....
ive heard some hippies talk about l that tasted like hairspray, and that its whatever they lay on the blotter to protect the lsd molecule...
either way, the shit had a taste and some vaso.
the experience itself was amazing, very soulful and deepthinking so in the end im leaning towards lsd, but i just wanted another option.
it definitely pried my preformed opinions of the world right out of my grasp so the more i think about it the more i trust in the vendor, but still.
another opinion please. ;)
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SO i just finished up a good 5drop dose of TOC, everything was beautiful, all night long. Then into the wee AM hours i needed a pill to sleep, and was out of xanax, so i find a trazadone...guys steeer clearr, of those things, theyre fucking dangerous, cause i ate one, and long story short, i just got out the ER. Yuck, what an ordeal =(
brother, I'm sorry to hear about this.
are you ok now, db?
Thank you for the love bro, i am ok now, snap back, like a skater hat 8)
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SO i just finished up a good 5drop dose of TOC, everything was beautiful, all night long. Then into the wee AM hours i needed a pill to sleep, and was out of xanax, so i find a trazadone...guys steeer clearr, of those things, theyre fucking dangerous, cause i ate one, and long story short, i just got out the ER. Yuck, what an ordeal =(
Much love your way, db. Feel better.
Thank you for the good vibes DMT. A whole arm full of a few different serums, and im alive! hehe. thanks again dude =)
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(hopefully someone here can help me out, the avengers ignored me :P )
so i recently got some l from basically the most notorious vendor on here. (i dont even have to say a name.)
the trip was good, but i noticed some vasoconstriction. (other than that it was very clean... still curious)
i took three so considering that i had an extremely clean trip, BUT.
they tasted like hairspray....
ive heard some hippies talk about l that tasted like hairspray, and that its whatever they lay on the blotter to protect the lsd molecule...
either way, the shit had a taste and some vaso.
the experience itself was amazing, very soulful and deepthinking so in the end im leaning towards lsd, but i just wanted another option.
it definitely pried my preformed opinions of the world right out of my grasp so the more i think about it the more i trust in the vendor, but still.
another opinion please. ;)
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Hey dude, its very hard to tell man. RCs arent known to give you the lovely insightful and deep clear happy trips. Then again, who knows. Only two ways to be 100% about this, is to A) nik test a piece, and B) swallow it straight away, no tongue time. Much love dude.
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@wavelength: Like db says, but it would also help if you told us the name of the vendor. I don't catch your meaning and I'm familiar with all the LSD vendors.
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@wavelength: Like db says, but it would also help if you told us the name of the vendor. I don't catch your meaning and I'm familiar with all the LSD vendors.
lol well i mean its JoR.... his shit has been tested and everyone seems to be happy with it, but it definitely had a decently bitter taste and thats just weird to me.
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@wavelength: Like db says, but it would also help if you told us the name of the vendor. I don't catch your meaning and I'm familiar with all the LSD vendors.
lol well i mean its JoR.... his shit has been tested and everyone seems to be happy with it, but it definitely had a decently bitter taste and thats just weird to me.
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I have encountered tabs bought from here with a bitter taste that were definitely LSD. Coincidentally, they were the best tabs I have ever gotten off of the road, extremely visual and euphoric(Bloomgcolor back in 2011 before he went rogue). Waiting on a shipment from tessellated to compare. Everyone seems to be raving about his product.
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@wavelength: Like db says, but it would also help if you told us the name of the vendor. I don't catch your meaning and I'm familiar with all the LSD vendors.
lol well i mean its JoR.... his shit has been tested and everyone seems to be happy with it, but it definitely had a decently bitter taste and thats just weird to me.
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Oh, LOL.. Your good dude.
Thats just the methanol or ethanol, what ever he suspended the xtal in when he ( or who ever) laid the sheets.
JCows first batch avatars where super bitter, but like i always say, NOT nbome BITTER. Nbomes are farr beyond bitter, they fuck your mouth upp. Much love dude.
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@wavelength: Like db says, but it would also help if you told us the name of the vendor. I don't catch your meaning and I'm familiar with all the LSD vendors.
lol well i mean its JoR.... his shit has been tested and everyone seems to be happy with it, but it definitely had a decently bitter taste and thats just weird to me.
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I have encountered tabs bought from here with a bitter taste that were definitely LSD. Coincidentally, they were the best tabs I have ever gotten off of the road, extremely visual and euphoric(Bloomgcolor back in 2011 before he went rogue). Waiting on a shipment from tessellated to compare. Everyone seems to be raving about his product.
Dont get your hopes up with Tess, i was an original tester for his first batch, and it was fucking great.. but it seems as of lately, hes not on par with what people have went to him for, and paid such steep prices doing so.
Also, if the tabs your talking about are of EU origin, then its no wonder they where far more visual than anything youve had prior. Now im not sure what your experience level with LSD is, but the euro shit, while being much more visualy intense, it lacks in euphoria a bit, as opposed to north american L, thats super dreamy. I have to make a note to evry one, that really clean L , like JORs, or 3Jane's, is just as, if not more visually intense, at proper doses, only thing is, its a bit different. If your looking around, and just observing, its very mild, but the minute you pick something to look at, open your eyes wide, and zone the fuck out.. theres nothing like it. Objects will grow from 2ft to 20ft before your eyes.
All that being said, best of luck to you friend 8)
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@wavelength: Like db says, but it would also help if you told us the name of the vendor. I don't catch your meaning and I'm familiar with all the LSD vendors.
lol well i mean its JoR.... his shit has been tested and everyone seems to be happy with it, but it definitely had a decently bitter taste and thats just weird to me.
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I have encountered tabs bought from here with a bitter taste that were definitely LSD. Coincidentally, they were the best tabs I have ever gotten off of the road, extremely visual and euphoric(Bloomgcolor back in 2011 before he went rogue). Waiting on a shipment from tessellated to compare. Everyone seems to be raving about his product.
Dont get your hopes up with Tess, i was an original tester for his first batch, and it was fucking great.. but it seems as of lately, hes not on par with what people have went to him for, and paid such steep prices doing so.
Also, if the tabs your talking about are of EU origin, then its no wonder they where far more visual than anything youve had prior. Now im not sure what your experience level with LSD is, but the euro shit, while being much more visualy intense, it lacks in euphoria a bit, as opposed to north american L, thats super dreamy. I have to make a note to evry one, that really clean L , like JORs, or 3Jane's, is just as, if not more visually intense, at proper doses, only thing is, its a bit different. If your looking around, and just observing, its very mild, but the minute you pick something to look at, open your eyes wide, and zone the fuck out.. theres nothing like it. Objects will grow from 2ft to 20ft before your eyes.
All that being said, best of luck to you friend 8)
I understand your concerns with Tess, But I spent a good bit of time reading through all of the threads related to that controversy he was going through. It seems that it was caused by circumstances outside of his control, and that his latest batch since he began laying his own sheets at the beginning of april has rectified the issue. He has overwhelmingly positive responses since he was able to identify the issue and rectify it, and also supposedly has the absolute best stealth shipping methods which is extremely important to me.. I do not think that I will be disappointed. I was working with free money anyway, I had 9 BTC left over from the last time I was on my account in late 2011(they were worth 3-4$ at the time). Caught wind about 10 days ago that the BTC was exploding in value, and of course rushed back here to capitalize on it. I now have a very considerable amount of LSD coming to me for what was worth only ~40$ to me 18 months ago, which is also the last time that I tripped due to outside circumstances unfortunately. You know what they say, Lucy finds you when you are ready!
I agree with your points about the visuals being related to European vs. American acid though. The blotters I had from BC were in fact european, and the first european tabs I had ever tried(i had about 20 trips under my belt until that point) and all of the American product I have tried has been less visual and more emotional/introspective. Not saying one or the other is better., just stating an observation. Thanks for the honest opinion and the good vibes my friend :D.
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Also, if the tabs your talking about are of EU origin, then its no wonder they where far more visual than anything youve had prior. Now im not sure what your experience level with LSD is, but the euro shit, while being much more visualy intense, it lacks in euphoria a bit, as opposed to north american L, thats super dreamy. I have to make a note to evry one, that really clean L , like JORs, or 3Jane's, is just as, if not more visually intense, at proper doses, only thing is, its a bit different. If your looking around, and just observing, its very mild, but the minute you pick something to look at, open your eyes wide, and zone the fuck out.. theres nothing like it. Objects will grow from 2ft to 20ft before your eyes.
Hmmm, this is news to me. When I stop to think about it, I think all of the L I've gotten on the Road has been from EU (if you count 3jane in there, which it seems like you do for some reason).
I've had Albion's Shivas, SpaceAce's Alice in Wonderland (he's domestic, but I was pretty sure he got his tabs from someone else on the road. my guess was Albion because it was the only one that made sense financially. SpaceAce could very well have gotten them from an IRL connect though), 3Jane's Alpha Centauris (the good batch) and her 1,000 Hand Print (her most recent), a couple batches of JoR's Lotus and his first batch of Christ tabs and... I fell like I'm missing one or two...
Anyway, before I found this Shangri Law, all I'd ever tried were domestic tabs. And pretty much 95% of them were white on white, probably from a dozen or so sources over about 10 years. But the description you gave, "its very mild, but the minute you pick something to look at, open your eyes wide, and zone the fuck out," seems to apply to pretty much all acid I've ever had. Maybe I've been lucky enough to stumble upon only the cleanest doses?
Now, to throw another wrench into your explanation, Albion's Shivas were the most visual experience I've ever had on LSD (there might have been some stained glass window prints back around 2008-9ish that compared, but that's the only batch I've had the pleasure of sampling that compares to Albion's quality, maybe JoR, too). The first time I took them was with a couple of friends just hanging out at one of their houses. We all pop 2, talk, laugh, listen to music, laugh, laugh, laugh, etc. So after a LOOONG time doing this. We all kind of realize we're peaking pretty hard, like way more than we expected from 200ug each. So one of the girls goes to catch her breath and grab a glass of water. When she comes back into the room she glances down at her watch and, SHOCKED, announces, "Well THAT escalated quickly!" Thinking something had gone wrong with her water fetching errand, girl 2 and I look up, concerned, and try to see what's wrong.
Girl 1 has a HUGE smile on her face and just says, "It's T+1:30." We all confirm that we've just barely begun this trip. It really didn't get significantly more intense, pretty much maintained from there for the next 5-6 hours. But it was by far one of the most visual LSD experiences I've ever had and it was from Europe and only 200ug, supposedly. I have a sneaky suspicion that Albion's 100ug tabs are really closer to 120+, but I can't really say. That was the only baseline trip I've had with his tabs.
Back to my original point/question: My experiences have not shown European doses to be noticeably different than North American ones. What makes you say that they are?
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Also, if the tabs your talking about are of EU origin, then its no wonder they where far more visual than anything youve had prior. Now im not sure what your experience level with LSD is, but the euro shit, while being much more visualy intense, it lacks in euphoria a bit, as opposed to north american L, thats super dreamy. I have to make a note to evry one, that really clean L , like JORs, or 3Jane's, is just as, if not more visually intense, at proper doses, only thing is, its a bit different. If your looking around, and just observing, its very mild, but the minute you pick something to look at, open your eyes wide, and zone the fuck out.. theres nothing like it. Objects will grow from 2ft to 20ft before your eyes.
Hmmm, this is news to me. When I stop to think about it, I think all of the L I've gotten on the Road has been from EU (if you count 3jane in there, which it seems like you do for some reason).
I've had Albion's Shivas, SpaceAce's Alice in Wonderland (he's domestic, but I was pretty sure he got his tabs from someone else on the road. my guess was Albion because it was the only one that made sense financially. SpaceAce could very well have gotten them from an IRL connect though), 3Jane's Alpha Centauris (the good batch) and her 1,000 Hand Print (her most recent), a couple batches of JoR's Lotus and his first batch of Christ tabs and... I fell like I'm missing one or two...
Anyway, before I found this Shangri Law, all I'd ever tried were domestic tabs. And pretty much 95% of them were white on white, probably from a dozen or so sources over about 10 years. But the description you gave, "its very mild, but the minute you pick something to look at, open your eyes wide, and zone the fuck out," seems to apply to pretty much all acid I've ever had. Maybe I've been lucky enough to stumble upon only the cleanest doses?
Now, to throw another wrench into your explanation, Albion's Shivas were the most visual experience I've ever had on LSD (there might have been some stained glass window prints back around 2008-9ish that compared, but that's the only batch I've had the pleasure of sampling that compares to Albion's quality, maybe JoR, too). The first time I took them was with a couple of friends just hanging out at one of their houses. We all pop 2, talk, laugh, listen to music, laugh, laugh, laugh, etc. So after a LOOONG time doing this. We all kind of realize we're peaking pretty hard, like way more than we expected from 200ug each. So one of the girls goes to catch her breath and grab a glass of water. When she comes back into the room she glances down at her watch and, SHOCKED, announces, "Well THAT escalated quickly!" Thinking something had gone wrong with her water fetching errand, girl 2 and I look up, concerned, and try to see what's wrong.
Girl 1 has a HUGE smile on her face and just says, "It's T+1:30." We all confirm that we've just barely begun this trip. It really didn't get significantly more intense, pretty much maintained from there for the next 5-6 hours. But it was by far one of the most visual LSD experiences I've ever had and it was from Europe and only 200ug, supposedly. I have a sneaky suspicion that Albion's 100ug tabs are really closer to 120+, but I can't really say. That was the only baseline trip I've had with his tabs.
Back to my original point/question: My experiences have not shown European doses to be noticeably different than North American ones. What makes you say that they are?
It's just personal experience, and of course LSD effects everyone a bit differently, but a fair amount of people have agreed that European LSD has given them more visual experiences. I have a set of spots on the wall in my room from when I accidentally splattered some paint on it. I have been using these spots as a benchmark to measure the visual effects of the acid ever since. On the European LSD I was describing earlier(between 400-450ug), the spots were downright dancing and forming beautiful formations with each other, far more intricately than any of the domestic doses I had ever tried. I have a theory that there is a particular chemist in Europe who has both the experience and the resources to afford "experimenting" a bit and has been able to mass produce his visually enhanced product, but that is pure speculation on my part.
Of course, as I said earlier, Acid is an extremely personal experience, I'm merely stating the conclusions that I have drawn from what I personally have experienced with it. Happy tripping!
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Oh you lucky and fine people, how jealous am I of many of you :-)
I do hope that many of you celebrate this day by embracing this fine lady called Lucy.
Reading thru the her first encounter with humanity recounted to us by her "father" - Dr Albert Hoffman - is the only way I can allow myself to honour her today.
Since my memories of his first trip report are very fresh I thought I shall share them with you here:
"Last Friday, April 16,1943, I was
forced to interrupt my work in
the laboratory in the middle of the
afternoon and proceed home,
being affected by a remarkable
restlessness, combined with a slight
dizziness. At home I lay down and
sank into a not unpleasant
intoxicated-like condition,
characterized by an extremely stimulated
imagination. In a dreamlike state,
with eyes closed (I found the
daylight to be unpleasantly glaring),
I perceived an uninterrupted
stream of fantastic pictures,
extraordinary shapes with intense,
kaleidoscopic play of colors. After
some two hours this condition
faded away."
(C) Albert Hofmann: "LSD - My problem child"
I am sure that most of you know this passage by heart, but if you, like me have no chance for a proper trip you might enjoy re-reading what must have started this new prolific genre of writing called travel literature :-)
Could this honourable gentleman be called "her father"?
Happy bicycle day you all... I still wonder why we do not celebrate it on the 16th.
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Hey incog, also i notice the doses you mention, are quite minimal. Anything under 4-500ug, isnt very much at all.. The intense 'growing' of objects, is only achieved for me, on at least 500ug. Then again, i never seem to be able to wait more than 14 days between trips. hehe.
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Hey incog, also i notice the doses you mention, are quite minimal. Anything under 4-500ug, isnt very much at all.. The intense 'growing' of objects, is only achieved for me, on at least 500ug. Then again, i never seem to be able to wait more than 14 days between trips. hehe.
Great to hear that, by the way.
When I started reading on the subject I fell into T Leary's work where he talks about 1000 to 1200ug trips as a norm. IRL people told me I was in sane and I needed to start lower. To cut long story short it took several false starts and a dose of 600ug + some ketamine to get me to ego-death.
I understand now why some of the people in the know advise to start low - one never knows one's tolerance and some people do respond to 260ug in a fashion Albert Hofmann did :-) for some people it is unnoticeable.
When I get time and decent setting I would like to try 600-800 of JoR's TOC or same volume of fat Freddy's cat tabs I have lying around in abundance.
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Hey incog, also i notice the doses you mention, are quite minimal. Anything under 4-500ug, isnt very much at all.. The intense 'growing' of objects, is only achieved for me, on at least 500ug. Then again, i never seem to be able to wait more than 14 days between trips. hehe.
Great to hear that, by the way.
When I started reading on the subject I fell into T Leary's work where he talks about 1000 to 1200ug trips as a norm. IRL people told me I was in sane and I needed to start lower. To cut long story short it took several false starts and a dose of 600ug + some ketamine to get me to ego-death.
I understand now why some of the people in the know advise to start low - one never knows one's tolerance and some people do respond to 260ug in a fashion Albert Hofmann did :-) for some people it is unnoticeable.
When I get time and decent setting I would like to try 600-800 of JoR's TOC or same volume of fat Freddy's cat tabs I have lying around in abundance.
Sounds like a promising trip =)
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Returning from my multi-dose extravaganza.....
I took 2 drops of JoR's old Christ (I still had a few drops from Nov.), 2 drops of JoR's new Christ, 1 drops of Rocker's liquid, 1 avatar from JC, 1 smiley from JC, 1 lotus from JoR, and 1 WoW from a vendor who packed it up (was weak anyhow).
I'd say it was 850 or 900ug. I felt the love all the way through -- great headspace and even better shifts & colors. And wow guys, I have to give my sincere thanks to this community, all of SR, the avengers, and of course, Albert Hofmann. See you all next bicycle day.
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Returning from my multi-dose extravaganza.....
I took 2 drops of JoR's old Christ (I still had a few drops from Nov.), 2 drops of JoR's new Christ, 1 drops of Rocker's liquid, 1 avatar from JC, 1 smiley from JC, 1 lotus from JoR, and 1 WoW from a vendor who packed it up (was weak anyhow).
I'd say it was 850 or 900ug. I felt the love all the way through -- great headspace and even better shifts & colors. And wow guys, I have to give my sincere thanks to this community, all of SR, the avengers, and of course, Albert Hofmann. See you all next bicycle day.
What a cocktail, Sir!
This is Long Island Ice Tea of the acid world :)
I am VERY JEALOUS!!! VERY!
I shall try to plan next year better.
+1 for mixing ability (doh, 72 hour limitation ... I will try to remember this later)
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Quote from DB:
""If your looking around, and just observing, its very mild, but the minute you pick something to look at, open your eyes wide, and zone the fuck out.. theres nothing like it. Objects will grow from 2ft to 20ft before your eyes."
This is on point for sure. The TOC might seem mild if you do not inspect and investigate every little thing. I like to have a picture that I go back to every trip and see what is moving and what is not. It is a picture with cones, points, colors, feathers, spikes, trippy art work in the extreme.
Every time I have dropped JOR's liquid gold I have seen this picture MOVE CONSTANTLY! Twirling and morphing, big and small it is like a picture that you would plug into an electrical outlet it is that intense.
So yeah, examine something with a small intricate pattern and see the life that is inside us ALL.
HEY INcogMagNito!! You have the Fat Freddy's Cat's tabs? The ones that Fartbomber has listed right now at 207ug?
Love JOR's TOC
Respect
snamm
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I like to have a picture that I go back to every trip and see what is moving and what is not. It is a picture with cones, points, colors, feathers, spikes, trippy art work in the extreme.
Wood grain is my measuring stick. There's rarely a place where you can't find some to stare at. And for me, the way it breaths is very indicative of the strength of the tabs/visuals.
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I like to have a picture that I go back to every trip and see what is moving and what is not. It is a picture with cones, points, colors, feathers, spikes, trippy art work in the extreme.
Wood grain is my measuring stick. There's rarely a place where you can't find some to stare at. And for me, the way it breaths is very indicative of the strength of the tabs/visuals.
I was actually just talking about this my last trip. We suggested stone floors/sidewalks, woodgrain, tree bark, interesting colors of paint (most colors in the house are dull), the sky (obviously), also different tables -- the scuffs from balls on a table tennis table look pretty interesting -- like eyes. But almost any surface looks cool. Last trip I was taking a piss in the bathroom and the blue wall ended up looking like it had scales like a reptile and waves like the ocean. Pissed again there yesterday and was surprised at how normal the wall looked -- I thought the paint must have dried in a scale like fashion, but there was nothing remotely there.
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i do this too, i have a picture on my phone http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/2263.jpg that i look at to know if i'm tripping or not. if the bottom is moving, i'm tripping :)
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@ Anon.. thats a good one brother.
I have an abby road poster that, the more it animates, the harder im tripping..
Also, when im balls to the wall face fucked, anything will due..I use the night or day sky, or concrete floors...when i see things that the media has long depicted as what an 'lsd' trip is like, i know for sure i did enough L..LOL By that mean total psychedelic fuckery, pinwheels, time vortexes, worm holes, fractals, and a entire world before my eyes of things, that simply ans surely, do not exist. LOL. Much love guys.
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My absolute favourites are trees, clouds, swell and sand on a beach.
Everything is breathing like nature intended when you are sober. When you are helped this breathing is so overwhelming and cosmic energy is so evident! If you come across a book by David Bohm - Wholeness and Implicate Order - genious book! Check out where David - a nuclear physicist with passion for particle physics - started his journey - on the beach in California where first time sensed this cosmic energy. I am sure he must have been helped by this kind lady Lucy :-)
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+1's to my discussion brothers 8)
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+1's to my discussion brothers 8)
Right back at you, db
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I had some pretty damn mind-bending experiences on acid and nitrous oxide this weekend. Going to write a report, but try to keep it simple and short between the points of interest :)
Dose: 1 tab of Fartbombers Avatars (117µg), 1 tab of GammaGoblin's Hofmann tabs (110-120µg), 0.5-1 g of fresh cubensis.
I was together with trusted friends and psychonauts at a small party (10-20 people). Dropped the acid early on and danced through the first hour and discussed various drug experiences. Got strong visuals early on, the same pattern reiterated on every imaginable surface. A friend had made a mushroom elixir from fresh cubensis, honey, mint and red wine that tasted amazing, like pure unabashed joy. DJ:ed the second hour, lots of Psy Dub (Globular, Ott, Hinkstep). Hard to keep track of one's setlist when you're tripping balls :) Somewhere in the third or fourth hour the nitrous oxide reared its pretty head.
I had forgotten how bizarre and powerful the combination of LSD and Laughing Gas is. Sitting on the floor I inhaled and kept my breath for as long as I could. As I started exhaling I felt the world warp. I saw a friend looking at me and through me - in my head his voice rang "When you go deep enough, you will find me there, staring back at you". The song playing on the stereo was "All along the watchtower" by the guitar god himself and I could hear the frequencies of his screeching guitar seperating into hundreds of layers, and each layer contained the entire story of my life, as it was, yet at a different pitch. As the song ended I felt that so must I end, and that I have been here a thousand times before and that I would return here another thousand times.
A friend sat down beside me, I said one single sentence "This is impossible." And the loop ended, I returned to a more normal understanding of reality, but very shaken by the experience. I don't remember many details here, I rolled around on the floor, throwing glow-in-the-dark snowflakes like shurikens through the air. Then I found a large cuddly toy tiger and pounced my friends with it.
Later I had another similar experience with N2O (I had many small trips with it, but they where nowhere near as interesting). As I exhaled the gas, I felt as if I was transported through the various people in the party, with everyone repeating the same phrase over and over and over for... Eternity I suppose (I really wish I could remember this phrase). And at the same time I saw this happening from my own eyes, and the loop would continue unless I created an instance of resistance to the flow of impressions; an ego. This ego I created by asking a simple question (to the same person as earlier): "Does it all start with a question?" The conversation that followed was very weird, indeed :D
Afterwards I got my sketchbook and though to sketch a bit on the comedown, but all these trippers went wild and stole it, looking at my pictures, then starting to draw in it themselves instead. So my friend asked me if I wanted to try some changa. Fuck yeah.
We loaded the pipe and bejeezuz, that stuff does smell. My friend went first, then I tried it (it was my first time with DMT). Three continuous tokes of this plastic-smelling bark (1/3 DMT according to my friend). If normal vision was at a hundred FPS, then this was at 10 000 FPS. My fingers moved impossibly smooth through the air, patterns, and streaks of light moved through all objects, even though sound and music where there, it all felt so very silent and tranquil. Whilst I moved my fingers in front of my hands I could see the intricate workings of the bodily systems, and how particles of light flowed through them, protecting them? It passed rather quickly, and the owner of the apartment didn't want us to smoke anymore because of the smell.
The rest of the night we discussed the possibilities of time travel, perhaps within the confines of one trip. If it was possible to have an experience backwards and such.
One of the best nights ever, hope you enjoyed the report and would be very interested in hearing your thoughts :)
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+1 dude. Good report
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+1 badniff. I like your style. Good times & vibes.
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Was watching TED videos last night, and came acros this video of Jill Bolte Taylor. She talks about her experience of having a stroke.
I was stunned to find out her experience is almost identical as my experience on an lsd trip I had a while ago..! The silence in the mind, the loss of identification with the body, the expansive consiousness, the loss of the ego which resulted in a total freedom from emotional bagage, and the intence feeling of bliss. For me it was the most liborating thing I ever experienced, it radicaly changed the way I look at my being. Thank you lsd, to let me experience this without having a stroke ;)
Recommended video! Clearnet link;
http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html
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Thank you lsd, to let me experience this without having a stroke ;)
I don't know why but this was extremely hilarious to me lol.
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@everyone: yesterday I saw (again) pictures of the famous "Albert Hoffman bycicle" that were used on the Road for selling blotters of nBom - personally I find this to be totally a-moral and I would really like the nBom sellers to NEVER use this picture again...
@everyone: has anyone heard of an xtal called "pink strawberry"? it seems to have been used for laying some blotters that were recently sold on the Road (some of those blotters are on their way to me) and I'd love to know more about that xtal (purity?)
@everyone: I just saw this "strange listing" on the Road: "8 O clock I dropped acid" from mariobros ( http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/7c26b40a06 )... for O.10 BTC... what the heck is this listing for??? Look at the description... is this a joke, a scam, a trick, ...
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@everyone: yesterday I saw (again) pictures of the famous "Albert Hoffman bycicle" that were used on the Road for selling blotters of nBom - personally I find this to be totally a-moral and I would really like the nBom sellers to NEVER use this picture again...
@everyone: has anyone heard of an xtal called "pink strawberry"? it seems to have been used for laying some blotters that were recently sold on the Road (some of those blotters are on their way to me) and I'd love to know more about that xtal (purity?)
@everyone: I just saw this "strange listing" on the Road: "8 O clock I dropped acid" from mariobros ( http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/7c26b40a06 )... for O.10 BTC... what the heck is this listing for??? Look at the description... is this a joke, a scam, a trick, ...
Hey Raf!
Yes i agree that the Hofmann bike ride print should NEVER be used for laying nbomes. Its a disgrace on so many levels. Unfortunately, there will always be people out there passing off that gabage as L. Makes me very sad.
About this 'strawberry' crystal.. whos the vendor, if you dont mind my asking. I know that Googleeyed was selling some xtal a while back, that was labeled "rose xtal"..presumably from the pink hue it had. I know a few members made that purchase, and did not have any complaints about it, though, i cant say i actually recall any real reviews attesting to its quality. Atop that, Ive heard whispers of "rose xtal" laid blotters, at various music festivals, for 500 USD per sheet.
I havnt checked out that strange listing you mention, but im almost 100% that MarioBros, the vendor, is not legit. I cant back that entirely at the moment, but im sure ive heard nothing good, or even neutral, about them.
Much love Raf 8)
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Amazing Thread!!! Great Info :) 8)
Thanks for your contribution ;D
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Thank you my friend /\
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@everyone: has anyone heard of an xtal called "pink strawberry"? it seems to have been used for laying some blotters that were recently sold on the Road (some of those blotters are on their way to me) and I'd love to know more about that xtal (purity?)
Didn't mahakala have something of the sort listed? or at least strawberry blotter?
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@everyone: has anyone heard of an xtal called "pink strawberry"? it seems to have been used for laying some blotters that were recently sold on the Road (some of those blotters are on their way to me) and I'd love to know more about that xtal (purity?)
Didn't mahakala have something of the sort listed? or at least strawberry blotter?
I think he had raspberry candies that he dosed with liquid..possibly the strawberry blotter art that went around some months ago as well.. but Raf was referring to the 'strawberry xtal', which I believe is the same 'rose xtal' i heard alot about a while ago.
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@everyone: has anyone heard of an xtal called "pink strawberry"? it seems to have been used for laying some blotters that were recently sold on the Road (some of those blotters are on their way to me) and I'd love to know more about that xtal (purity?)
Didn't mahakala have something of the sort listed? or at least strawberry blotter?
I think he had raspberry candies that he dosed with liquid..possibly the strawberry blotter art that went around some months ago as well.. but Raf was referring to the 'strawberry xtal', which I believe is the same 'rose xtal' i heard alot about a while ago.
Again, thank you Biscuit for your reply!
Damn, you should start your own acid'opedia or so... :)
What did you exactly hear about this xtal?
I didn't find anything about this specific one...
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Ah, raspberry.. that's right. Yeah, I definitely remember googleyed's rose xstal and heard a couple murmurs about it in real life, but nothing outside the normal acid chatter. A lot of rumor.
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I really like this thread. Not only for the fact that you don't use that goddamn SWIM crap. But the discussions are intelligent and great.
I've noticed the SR forums are a lot more mature (for the most part) than clearnet forums. A lot of egoism and less help on clearnet.
Haven't made it all the way through yet. Curious if I'm gonna see anything about microdosing.. What do you guys think about it? I think it has awesome potential. I've only had a few weeks to experiment, but every experience has been positive so far.
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Haven't made it all the way through yet. Curious if I'm gonna see anything about microdosing.. What do you guys think about it? I think it has awesome potential. I've only had a few weeks to experiment, but every experience has been positive so far.
There have been some discussions about microdosing (mostly @ the Avengers).
Maybe post your questions/remarks/experience in that thread...
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Checking-in.
May I take your coat good sir? hehe
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I really like this thread. Not only for the fact that you don't use that goddamn SWIM crap. But the discussions are intelligent and great.
I've noticed the SR forums are a lot more mature (for the most part) than clearnet forums. A lot of egoism and less help on clearnet.
Haven't made it all the way through yet. Curious if I'm gonna see anything about microdosing.. What do you guys think about it? I think it has awesome potential. I've only had a few weeks to experiment, but every experience has been positive so far.
Thank you for the kind words, and for visiting my humble abode.
Im not a big fan of micro dosing, simply because when i drop my L, i do it to escape 'reality' for 12 hours.. Though ive heard of many individuals that swear by micro doses, pretty much daily. Much love dude.
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Checking-in.
May I take your coat good sir? hehe
Hehe, DB :) The concept is to check-in and stay and participate.
This thread seems to have a lot going on. Will need to catch up to it when my time permits.
Meanwhile thanks a bunch for your effort and initiative on this and of course you get +1
GSE
Glad to have you GSE =)
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Idea: DB, you should change the name of the thread to "Lucy, Sid, Doses" just for the acronym.
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Idea: DB, you should change the name of the thread to "Lucy, Sid, Doses" just for the acronym.
Ive got one better.. Discussion; Lucy, Sid, Doses.. ( D-LSD) hehe.
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Idea: DB, you should change the name of the thread to "Lucy, Sid, Doses" just for the acronym.
Ive got one better.. Discussion; Lucy, Sid, Doses.. ( D-LSD) hehe.
+1 to both!
Cool thread name!
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If I wanted to import a large amount of LSD into the US and start selling it domestically, who/what would be the best product to buy in bulk at the moment?
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If I wanted to import a large amount of LSD into the US and start selling it domestically, who/what would be the best product to buy in bulk at the moment?
Hey dude. Only a handful of vendors will be able to supply the bulk you speak of. I suppose any one that sells out of the Netherlands, as they always have great prices.. but i wouldnt suggest that right now due to all the recent issues vendors from there have been experiencing.
I would say as far as the demand from the L community goes, you would be best suited buying from either JOR, JCow, Albion or 3Jane but she only lists once in a while and sells out ridiculously fast. Thousands of hits in under a half hour. Im not sure the amount of bulk that JOR can supply, but his shit is top notch. JCow can likely supply your demand, and has bomb tabs all the time, for excellent prices.
There is lots of other vendors that offer sheets, i dont know what would be considered 'bulk' for you. If your talking a sheet or two, then theres Tess, Subtickle and Jannis also. That all have great LSD and good prices, but i dont think they can supply more than a few sheets at a time per buyer, if that much.
Hope that points you in the right direction..
PS ive been meaning to try a small bit of your meth, just so broke right now. I hear its very nice stuff.
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If I wanted to import a large amount of LSD into the US and start selling it domestically, who/what would be the best product to buy in bulk at the moment?
Hey dude. Only a handful of vendors will be able to supply the bulk you speak of. I suppose any one that sells out of the Netherlands, as they always have great prices.. but i wouldnt suggest that right now due to all the recent issues vendors from there have been experiencing.
I would say as far as the demand from the L community goes, you would be best suited buying from either JOR, JCow, Albion or 3Jane but she only lists once in a while and sells out ridiculously fast. Thousands of hits in under a half hour. Im not sure the amount of bulk that JOR can supply, but his shit is top notch. JCow can likely supply your demand, and has bomb tabs all the time, for excellent prices.
There is lots of other vendors that offer sheets, i dont know what would be considered 'bulk' for you. If your talking a sheet or two, then theres Tess, Subtickle and Jannis also. That all have great LSD and good prices, but i dont think they can supply more than a few sheets at a time per buyer, if that much.
Hope that points you in the right direction..
PS ive been meaning to try a small bit of your meth, just so broke right now. I hear its very nice stuff.
Pm me your address over at the main site. I can ship something first class in a envelope. A trick an old Aussie4 taught me.
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If I wanted to import a large amount of LSD into the US and start selling it domestically, who/what would be the best product to buy in bulk at the moment?
Hey dude. Only a handful of vendors will be able to supply the bulk you speak of. I suppose any one that sells out of the Netherlands, as they always have great prices.. but i wouldnt suggest that right now due to all the recent issues vendors from there have been experiencing.
I would say as far as the demand from the L community goes, you would be best suited buying from either JOR, JCow, Albion or 3Jane but she only lists once in a while and sells out ridiculously fast. Thousands of hits in under a half hour. Im not sure the amount of bulk that JOR can supply, but his shit is top notch. JCow can likely supply your demand, and has bomb tabs all the time, for excellent prices.
There is lots of other vendors that offer sheets, i dont know what would be considered 'bulk' for you. If your talking a sheet or two, then theres Tess, Subtickle and Jannis also. That all have great LSD and good prices, but i dont think they can supply more than a few sheets at a time per buyer, if that much.
Hope that points you in the right direction..
PS ive been meaning to try a small bit of your meth, just so broke right now. I hear its very nice stuff.
Pm me your address over at the main site. I can ship something first class in a envelope. A trick an old Aussie4 taught me.
Wow! Thanks dude, thats very generous of you.
I dont care what they say about you, your alright in my book ;)
Much love.
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Haven't made it all the way through yet. Curious if I'm gonna see anything about microdosing.. What do you guys think about it? I think it has awesome potential. I've only had a few weeks to experiment, but every experience has been positive so far.
There have been some discussions about microdosing (mostly @ the Avengers).
Maybe post your questions/remarks/experience in that thread...
Thanks man,
The more I've been reading this thread I see it's about badass trips, so I'll stick to that.
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I really like this thread. Not only for the fact that you don't use that goddamn SWIM crap. But the discussions are intelligent and great.
I've noticed the SR forums are a lot more mature (for the most part) than clearnet forums. A lot of egoism and less help on clearnet.
Haven't made it all the way through yet. Curious if I'm gonna see anything about microdosing.. What do you guys think about it? I think it has awesome potential. I've only had a few weeks to experiment, but every experience has been positive so far.
Thank you for the kind words, and for visiting my humble abode.
Im not a big fan of micro dosing, simply because when i drop my L, i do it to escape 'reality' for 12 hours.. Though ive heard of many individuals that swear by micro doses, pretty much daily. Much love dude.
Thanks for the warm welcome bro,
I view microdosing as an almost completely different drug/medicine than a big trip.. I have ADHD, I've taken all kinds of nootropics including adderall and ritalin. Those two work to an extent, but microdosing LSD is 5x better for me with really no side effects.
I see where you're coming from, and to each their own :) Had a good trip last weekend I'll probably write about, working my way up to a monster dose and ego loss.
Thanks again for this thread!
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Thanks for the warm welcome bro,
I view microdosing as an almost completely different drug/medicine than a big trip.. I have ADHD, I've taken all kinds of nootropics including adderall and ritalin. Those two work to an extent, but microdosing LSD is 5x better for me with really no side effects.
I see where you're coming from, and to each their own :) Had a good trip last weekend I'll probably write about, working my way up to a monster dose and ego loss.
Thanks again for this thread!
so you are microdosing, while using it recreationally, and you are "working your way up" to a monster dose?
tolerance might end up getting the best of you if you take it a decent amount, which might prevent that true ego-loss you are looking for.
part of that ego loss is how alien the experience it is, and how outside of yourself/your daily habits it takes you. (for me)
like terence mckenna says, you want to take high doses, rarely ;)
but i have no experience with microdosing it, im sure it would be very useful in smaller amounts.
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I'll be trying LSD for the first time in a couple weeks. I have no desire to take high doses; I'm more interested in micro doses not exceeding ~50ug. Is this a dose I'd be able to take around...parents..and not seem like I'm acting out of the ordinary? Or should I just head to the lake for the duration of my LSD experience? If I stay local and go to the lake it would be just me by myself..am I going to want a friend to chill with or would I be content?
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Thanks for the warm welcome bro,
I view microdosing as an almost completely different drug/medicine than a big trip.. I have ADHD, I've taken all kinds of nootropics including adderall and ritalin. Those two work to an extent, but microdosing LSD is 5x better for me with really no side effects.
I see where you're coming from, and to each their own :) Had a good trip last weekend I'll probably write about, working my way up to a monster dose and ego loss.
Thanks again for this thread!
so you are microdosing, while using it recreationally, and you are "working your way up" to a monster dose?
tolerance might end up getting the best of you if you take it a decent amount, which might prevent that true ego-loss you are looking for.
part of that ego loss is how alien the experience it is, and how outside of yourself/your daily habits it takes you. (for me)
like terence mckenna says, you want to take high doses, rarely ;)
but i have no experience with microdosing it, im sure it would be very useful in smaller amounts.
Yeah, I had a really bad trip about 10 years ago, and swore off Lucy until she recently found me again. I'm happy for that, but have been a little worried about taking a large dose right off the bat.
I took about 150ug this last weekend to get an idea of where it'll put me and how I can handle it, and happy to say I was totally fine. Had some decent visuals but no giggles or strong euphoria or anything.
I've been reading and a lot of the experts do say to take a large dose (200-500ug), so I think when I get my vial of TOC from JoR I'll take 300-400ug and let it take me away.
As far as microdosing and tolerance, in Fadiman's book he says that sub-perceptual microdoses (10-25ug) are such small doses that they shouldn't create much tolerance, if any. I've taken microdoses days in a row and had the same effect every day, but I still stop for about 3 days before taking a larger dose.
Thanks for the information, the way you put it as alien experience being part of the ego loss makes me want to just drop a big dose and let it ride!! Was a little nervous at first, but I think I'm ready.
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I'll be trying LSD for the first time in a couple weeks. I have no desire to take high doses; I'm more interested in micro doses not exceeding ~50ug. Is this a dose I'd be able to take around...parents..and not seem like I'm acting out of the ordinary? Or should I just head to the lake for the duration of my LSD experience? If I stay local and go to the lake it would be just me by myself..am I going to want a friend to chill with or would I be content?
Don't take it around your parents. If you start thinking about what "ordinary" is, you won't be it. I am totally fine tripping around my parents and did it in my teens no problem, but I am very sure that I am an anomaly. I actually feel more like myself when I am tripping.
Back to the question. If you are interested in tripping, rather than using the chemical as medication, I would totally recommend against "microdosing.". I would take about 150ug. Anywhere in the 125-200ug. I recommend this to first timers. The first time you take LSD, it should be an astoundingly awe-inspiring experience that almost comes as a surprise that something that amazing could and does exist. You will not reach this with a microdose.
If you go with it, nothing but great things will happen to you -- or better put, you will make great things happen. Because you are the pilot of the experience, and if you fly into stormy weather, it's because you navigated yourself there, not the plane.
My advice: wait until you have the right setting as well as mindset. No parents. I would also recommend against a trip sitter. They are wholly unnecessary things that more times than not are a drag on the experience. For getting the most out of a trip, always go it alone.
And if you didn't know already, nature is the best setting. Oh, and like incogmagnito said, definitely, definitely dedicate a full day to it. Dose at like 2 PM and you'll go to sleep at the end.
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I'll be trying LSD for the first time in a couple weeks. I have no desire to take high doses; I'm more interested in micro doses not exceeding ~50ug. Is this a dose I'd be able to take around...parents..and not seem like I'm acting out of the ordinary? Or should I just head to the lake for the duration of my LSD experience? If I stay local and go to the lake it would be just me by myself..am I going to want a friend to chill with or would I be content?
The intent of "microdosing" is for it to be used as an enhancer for daily life (nootropic). I have ADHD, so I take it instead of Adderall. It helps me focus, improves my mood and mindfulness, and helps me appreciate things more. A true microdose for nootropic purposes shouldn't really exceed 25ug, and you can go as low as 10ug. I think I have a naturally high tolerance to LSD, so I usually take about 25ug for my microdoses, but started at 10.
I've heard of people tripping at 50ug, but I think it's rare. Every person reacts differently though.
10-25ug would be fine to take around your parents.. you'll be totally functional. The only noticeable change might be dilated pupils. My pupils dilate when I take 10ug. I have no idea how you would react to 50ug, but you'd probably be fine there too.
I'm not sure what kind of experience you're looking for. What's your apprehension? If you want any visuals or euphoria you'll have to take more than 25ug. I had to take 150ug to get visuals, but I've heard of people having them at 100 or less.
I'm new to LSD, so the experts here would be more apt to answer that question. I will say that if you take a microdose, or a dose that's not big enough to produce visuals, you'll be pretty bored at a lake by yourself for 8 hours.
If you really want to trip, listen to the guys above me.
+1 to you guys if I could
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http://www.maps.org/psychedelicreview/v1n2/012208fis.pdf [CLEARNET]
Interesting information on dosage and other medications to enhance the experience. What I found most interesting is the pre-treatment medication where it says to give the person Librium (old benzo), then methedrine (speed), then psilocybin, then LSD.
I'm gonna try this with xanax, ritalin, shrooms and LSD, in small doses like it suggests. I've had anxiety and muscle tension for a long time, so I think it's interesting to start with a little benzo to relax the muscles. Ritalin calms my mind as well.
Probably useful for anyone apprehensive about taking a large first dose.
Anyone ever take benzos while actually tripping? If so, how much? I've read that it actually doesn't really kill the trip, so it's not viable as a "parachute". I don't think I want a parachute, just curious.
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/\ Interesting...
Pretty much every time i dose, I pop .5-1.0mg of xanax just a few minutes after dropping the L. I find this makes my come up virtually non-existent.
As for the speed, ive had some meth still running semi-strong in my blood when ive dosed L in the past. I found that it was not very pleasant for me, as it was basically just that very anxious, nervous, speedy come up feel, that lasted more than the usual 1-2hrs of the L come up. Ups isnt my bag, never has been. Unless i cap up a few mgs of meth for productivity purposes, usually for work. Much love guys.
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http://www.maps.org/psychedelicreview/v1n2/012208fis.pdf [CLEARNET]
Interesting information on dosage and other medications to enhance the experience. What I found most interesting is the pre-treatment medication where it says to give the person Librium (old benzo), then methedrine (speed), then psilocybin, then LSD.
I'm gonna try this with xanax, ritalin, shrooms and LSD, in small doses like it suggests. I've had anxiety and muscle tension for a long time, so I think it's interesting to start with a little benzo to relax the muscles. Ritalin calms my mind as well.
Probably useful for anyone apprehensive about taking a large first dose.
Anyone ever take benzos while actually tripping? If so, how much? I've read that it actually doesn't really kill the trip, so it's not viable as a "parachute". I don't think I want a parachute, just curious.
Alprazolam works best for me if i want to crash after a long trip.. Depending on your tolerance 1 or 2 mg will crush a trip...3 to 4 should drop you like a sack of potatoes..
db how the heck you take a 1mg of Xanax just before you trip? that's weird...that has to dull the trip
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http://www.maps.org/psychedelicreview/v1n2/012208fis.pdf [CLEARNET]
Interesting information on dosage and other medications to enhance the experience. What I found most interesting is the pre-treatment medication where it says to give the person Librium (old benzo), then methedrine (speed), then psilocybin, then LSD.
I'm gonna try this with xanax, ritalin, shrooms and LSD, in small doses like it suggests. I've had anxiety and muscle tension for a long time, so I think it's interesting to start with a little benzo to relax the muscles. Ritalin calms my mind as well.
Probably useful for anyone apprehensive about taking a large first dose.
Anyone ever take benzos while actually tripping? If so, how much? I've read that it actually doesn't really kill the trip, so it's not viable as a "parachute". I don't think I want a parachute, just curious.
Alprazolam works best for me if i want to crash after a long trip.. Depending on your tolerance 1 or 2 mg will crush a trip...3 to 4 should drop you like a sack of potatoes..
db how the heck you take a 1mg of Xanax just before you trip? that's weird...that has to dull the trip
Hey FH, sorry for the late reply..ive been learning how to and removing that wretched virus that i got this afternoon, cause im brain dead and just had to click the link from 'Simon".
Yea, it is a bit ridiculous that I am able to do that, It does not dull my trips at all. I have a *bit* of a pill liking. My body is so used to bits of xanax and oxycodone, so my taking a bit of either on the come up, really just settles my stomach and keeps me from being an angst filled maniac.
Ive never been one to enjoy feeling speedy, of any sorts, so L come ups for me are quite uncomfortable. 1mg xanax wipes that angst and electric, jump out of your skin feel right out. Easing me into the peak. Much love brother.
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I'll be trying LSD for the first time in a couple weeks. I have no desire to take high doses; I'm more interested in micro doses not exceeding ~50ug. Is this a dose I'd be able to take around...parents..and not seem like I'm acting out of the ordinary? Or should I just head to the lake for the duration of my LSD experience? If I stay local and go to the lake it would be just me by myself..am I going to want a friend to chill with or would I be content?
Don't take it around your parents. If you start thinking about what "ordinary" is, you won't be it. I am totally fine tripping around my parents and did it in my teens no problem, but I am very sure that I am an anomaly. I actually feel more like myself when I am tripping.
Back to the question. If you are interested in tripping, rather than using the chemical as medication, I would totally recommend against "microdosing.". I would take about 150ug. Anywhere in the 125-200ug. I recommend this to first timers. The first time you take LSD, it should be an astoundingly awe-inspiring experience that almost comes as a surprise that something that amazing could and does exist. You will not reach this with a microdose.
If you go with it, nothing but great things will happen to you -- or better put, you will make great things happen. Because you are the pilot of the experience, and if you fly into stormy weather, it's because you navigated yourself there, not the plane.
My advice: wait until you have the right setting as well as mindset. No parents. I would also recommend against a trip sitter. They are wholly unnecessary things that more times than not are a drag on the experience. For getting the most out of a trip, always go it alone.
And if you didn't know already, nature is the best setting. Oh, and like incogmagnito said, definitely, definitely dedicate a full day to it. Dose at like 2 PM and you'll go to sleep at the end.
@DMTisinME, I second everything bar doing one's first trip on L without a sitter.
When one knows oneself well including doses tripping alone is great, but on the first go to have a wing man is a great idea ... And then return them a favour :-)
For a wing man it might be good to read T. Leary's "Psychedelic Experience" just to know their function - no need to memorise all of those texts they use, but to know that it is all about providing calming support if needed is all that matters.
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Yeah, I admit it it'd be good to have company, but I would recommend for the first time having a friend or two with you who are also tripping. The first time I did it I was with a great friend, and my brother. The energy in the air was full of awe since it was all three of our first times.
You'll want to discuss what you're feeling/experiencing, and you can't do that with a sober sitter. (It's all one way)
I am not wholly against trip sitters, only uneducated ones.
EDIT: Also, shortly after posting this, I got my first negative karma since November. Noooooooo!! ....... Ok, I'm over it.
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yeah the first few times i did psychedelics i had that true ego loss.
i say "true" because i didnt know of any methods to guide the experience, other than my close friend telling me to "let it show me what it wants to show me" and the voice of the mushrooms themselves telling me "all you are is a thought in continuation of itself, you are dreaming. all you have to do to die is let go of all thought/action.
but after then, i've found that i get so much deeper into repressed memories and who I am when i trip by myself.
and there is also the common problem of having people around and finally seeing peoples intentions behind there statements (this can be very rough territory on high doses)
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What would you say is the most significant change in yourself because of taking LSD? How has it incorporated into your daily life and your personality or your values? Was it difficult to incorporate it from the trip?
I'd love to hear from anyone here.
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What would you say is the most significant change in yourself because of taking LSD? How has it incorporated into your daily life and your personality or your values? Was it difficult to incorporate it from the trip?
I'd love to hear from anyone here.
I'd say the biggest change in myself is how i go about treating other people. I'm always putting myself in other peoples shoes because of the fact that psychedelics taught me to have compassion for all life.
this obviously helps with self awareness. knowing how i may sound/look to other people in a way.
other than that, lsd is absolutely awesome for creativity. if you are an artist, its quite a tool.
also, i have an enormous optimism after taking lsd. I'm always trying to see the good in every situation and i definitely attribute it to l and its ability to make everything blissful and hilarious.
(results may vary haha)
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What would you say is the most significant change in yourself because of taking LSD? How has it incorporated into your daily life and your personality or your values? Was it difficult to incorporate it from the trip?
I'd love to hear from anyone here.
Here is an excerpt from a paper/letter to LSD I have been authoring that is a personal attempt to answer the question, "what has LSD done for you?" in the most in depth way possible. I will be sure to post it here once it is complete. Anyway:
On happiness/optimism:
"Before I had ever taken LSD, I was unsure of everything. In a technical manner of speaking, I was probably correct to be uncertain. Skepticism is, after all, a scientist’s best friend. After taking LSD, doubt was thrown out of the window. I was certain of what I wanted in my life, and blessed by the chemical with the renewed passion to get myself there. More than that, I realized I already was there, and always would be. Nothing could take my happiness away from me. Before taking LSD, happiness and I were together in a loose kind of way – if we were shaken up we separated. After taking LSD, we were bonded eternally. I had an epiphany hours into my first dose ever, “I’m the happiest person in [town] and nobody knows it!” I finally apprehended how happy, I should be, how happy I was, and have remained since."
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I like to have a picture that I go back to every trip and see what is moving and what is not. It is a picture with cones, points, colors, feathers, spikes, trippy art work in the extreme.
Wood grain is my measuring stick. There's rarely a place where you can't find some to stare at. And for me, the way it breaths is very indicative of the strength of the tabs/visuals.
I was actually just talking about this my last trip. We suggested stone floors/sidewalks, woodgrain, tree bark, interesting colors of paint (most colors in the house are dull), the sky (obviously), also different tables -- the scuffs from balls on a table tennis table look pretty interesting -- like eyes. But almost any surface looks cool. Last trip I was taking a piss in the bathroom and the blue wall ended up looking like it had scales like a reptile and waves like the ocean. Pissed again there yesterday and was surprised at how normal the wall looked -- I thought the paint must have dried in a scale like fashion, but there was nothing remotely there.
My absolute favourites are trees, clouds, swell and sand on a beach.
Everything is breathing like nature intended when you are sober. When you are helped this breathing is so overwhelming and cosmic energy is so evident! If you come across a book by David Bohm - Wholeness and Implicate Order - genious book! Check out where David - a nuclear physicist with passion for particle physics - started his journey - on the beach in California where first time sensed this cosmic energy. I am sure he must have been helped by this kind lady Lucy :-)
I'm not as experienced as most of you and I haven't used large doses, but when I'm tripping hardest I'm so lost that I'm only vaguely aware that all of these things you guys describe even exist. I'll look at something and it'll start to cascade into something else completely and so one. It isn't just visuals that will cascade but my thoughts (maybe my ego?) too. One time in particular I felt that I could actually see my ego cascade to another ego to another to another to another etc in rapid succession.
Eventually I pop out of this and at that point visuals are suddenly very mild. This is just LSD and MDMA (and lots of alcohol). So magical. I hope that today's LSD and MDMA can bring me back.
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What would you say is the most significant change in yourself because of taking LSD? How has it incorporated into your daily life and your personality or your values? Was it difficult to incorporate it from the trip?
I'd love to hear from anyone here.
A lot less fear - ego death is such a real experience that once you go thru it few times it does change your perception of what we are and where do we go after we leave our body. Fear of death is one of the primary blockers for many a person - I fancy to think that breaking this fear's back is what can allow one to reach a lot higher potential.
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I like to have a picture that I go back to every trip and see what is moving and what is not. It is a picture with cones, points, colors, feathers, spikes, trippy art work in the extreme.
Wood grain is my measuring stick. There's rarely a place where you can't find some to stare at. And for me, the way it breaths is very indicative of the strength of the tabs/visuals.
I was actually just talking about this my last trip. We suggested stone floors/sidewalks, woodgrain, tree bark, interesting colors of paint (most colors in the house are dull), the sky (obviously), also different tables -- the scuffs from balls on a table tennis table look pretty interesting -- like eyes. But almost any surface looks cool. Last trip I was taking a piss in the bathroom and the blue wall ended up looking like it had scales like a reptile and waves like the ocean. Pissed again there yesterday and was surprised at how normal the wall looked -- I thought the paint must have dried in a scale like fashion, but there was nothing remotely there.
My absolute favourites are trees, clouds, swell and sand on a beach.
Everything is breathing like nature intended when you are sober. When you are helped this breathing is so overwhelming and cosmic energy is so evident! If you come across a book by David Bohm - Wholeness and Implicate Order - genious book! Check out where David - a nuclear physicist with passion for particle physics - started his journey - on the beach in California where first time sensed this cosmic energy. I am sure he must have been helped by this kind lady Lucy :-)
I'm not as experienced as most of you and I haven't used large doses, but when I'm tripping hardest I'm so lost that I'm only vaguely aware that all of these things you guys describe even exist. I'll look at something and it'll start to cascade into something else completely and so one. It isn't just visuals that will cascade but my thoughts (maybe my ego?) too. One time in particular I felt that I could actually see my ego cascade to another ego to another to another to another etc in rapid succession.
Eventually I pop out of this and at that point visuals are suddenly very mild. This is just LSD and MDMA (and lots of alcohol). So magical. I hope that today's LSD and MDMA can bring me back.
@slirp, it does sound like you are talking larger doses than what I was talking about. I agree that my ego death was a pretty busy event to have any link with reality :-) what I describe is what I get on 350 to 600ug doses, but no MDMA or god forbid alcohol :-) why do you take alcohol, may I ask?
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On those couple of trips I used somewhere between 1.5-2.5 tabs (if I used 2.5 tables then it started with 1.5 then 1 was added a few hours later). These were 3Jane Mayan calendar tabs. Most people thought they were about 80ug but they may have been uneven so perhaps I took much more than I thought. I did use MDMA as well. The trips consisted mostly of thought loops and mathematics in my head and I blocked out external stimuli. I likely had my eyes closed most of the time.
I did my most recent trip with just LSD+MDMA+MDA and no alcohol since I'd heard that alcohol can lessen the experience. The LSD was from a new source. OEV visuals were short-lived, nothing close to OEV from 2C-B a few months prior. My mind got a little lost on the come-up but that's normal just from MDMA or MDA for me. After that I was thinking clearly and really had to try to notice effects from the LSD. Maybe 3Jane's tabs were stronger or more pure. Maybe alcohol helps my mind become lost. I'm not sure. Next time I trip it'll be using LSD from OrderOfThePhoenix so I'll be interested to find out if it is more like my 3Jane trips or more like my most recent trip.
thanks for the comments.
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and there is also the common problem of having people around and finally seeing peoples intentions behind there statements (this can be very rough territory on high doses)
This. This can be heartbreaking and you can use it to your advantage if it doesn't crush you for a bit. You never know what Lucy is going to do to you when she gets hold of you. I fucking love her, though. She's still my favorite.
What would you say is the most significant change in yourself because of taking LSD? How has it incorporated into your daily life and your personality or your values? Was it difficult to incorporate it from the trip?
I'd love to hear from anyone here.
It's so peculiar how your relationship with LSD can change through life. It used to make me feel like I was flying, now it really grounds me but in a to tha moon kind of way. Definitely helps with reading people's emotions.
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Interesting bit of conversation you guys got going here. +1'sss 8)
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Does anyone have any tips on achieving ego death? I am very interested in it.
Thanks.
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Does anyone have any tips on achieving ego death? I am very interested in it.
Thanks.
yup..
go the fuck in on your dose.
Whats your high dose mark as of now?
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Does anyone have any tips on achieving ego death? I am very interested in it.
Thanks.
yup..
go the fuck in on your dose.
Whats your high dose mark as of now?
I have tripped around 4 times the highest and most recent last week was around 500ug. I am waiting on an order of 10x Fat Fredys from Albion. Thanks.
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Does anyone have any tips on achieving ego death? I am very interested in it.
Thanks.
yup..
go the fuck in on your dose.
Whats your high dose mark as of now?
I have tripped around 4 times the highest and most recent last week was around 500ug. I am waiting on an order of 10x Fat Fredys from Albion. Thanks.
Whos L was this 500ug dose of?
If your at basline 500mics should do the trick, in most cases.
When you get those Fat Cats, make sure to be nice and clean, no psychedelics for at least 20 days.. then try dropping like 600+ug, that should do the trick.
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Does anyone have any tips on achieving ego death? I am very interested in it.
Thanks.
yup..
go the fuck in on your dose.
Whats your high dose mark as of now?
I have tripped around 4 times the highest and most recent last week was around 500ug. I am waiting on an order of 10x Fat Fredys from Albion. Thanks.
Whos L was this 500ug dose of?
If your at basline 500mics should do the trick, in most cases.
When you get those Fat Cats, make sure to be nice and clean, no psychedelics for at least 20 days.. then try dropping like 600+ug, that should do the trick.
The L was from Envious, but I had a slight tolerance I believe. And alright cool, will wait till baseline to dose again. Thanks bro.
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K no issue there, envious has awesome shit..
No problemo dude, report back when that time comes, let us know how it worked out for you.
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K no issue there, envious has awesome shit..
No problemo dude, report back when that time comes, let us know how it worked out for you.
Will do man. I'm very excited for it. My limited experiences with acid have been eye opening so far. I believe a true ego death could do wonders for me. Gotta love lucy haha. Peace.
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Does anyone have any tips on achieving ego death? I am very interested in it.
Thanks.
yup..
go the fuck in on your dose.
Whats your high dose mark as of now?
I have tripped around 4 times the highest and most recent last week was around 500ug. I am waiting on an order of 10x Fat Fredys from Albion. Thanks.
Whos L was this 500ug dose of?
If your at basline 500mics should do the trick, in most cases.
When you get those Fat Cats, make sure to be nice and clean, no psychedelics for at least 20 days.. then try dropping like 600+ug, that should do the trick.
The L was from Envious, but I had a slight tolerance I believe. And alright cool, will wait till baseline to dose again. Thanks bro.
Phant, I had the same trouble a while back - got all the way to 600 to 700ug and despite everyone involved been confident it will do it I had to go for emergency exit - 0.5g of Ketamine insufflated just after my peak. That did the trick all right. So, if you are really keen to get there have some K handy. What it does on L's peak is to lock all of your senses down in effect leaving just your ego and L to fight it off with no ability for that ego to hold on to those glimpses of "reality" that ego can use to support its existence. Very intense and very scary experience. Be prepared to get seriously bored of dying when you come back. Best of luck.
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Does anyone have any tips on achieving ego death? I am very interested in it.
Thanks.
yup..
go the fuck in on your dose.
Whats your high dose mark as of now?
I have tripped around 4 times the highest and most recent last week was around 500ug. I am waiting on an order of 10x Fat Fredys from Albion. Thanks.
Whos L was this 500ug dose of?
If your at basline 500mics should do the trick, in most cases.
When you get those Fat Cats, make sure to be nice and clean, no psychedelics for at least 20 days.. then try dropping like 600+ug, that should do the trick.
The L was from Envious, but I had a slight tolerance I believe. And alright cool, will wait till baseline to dose again. Thanks bro.
Phant, I had the same trouble a while back - got all the way to 600 to 700ug and despite everyone involved been confident it will do it I had to go for emergency exit - 0.5g of Ketamine insufflated just after my peak. That did the trick all right. So, if you are really keen to get there have some K handy. What it does on L's peak is to lock all of your senses down in effect leaving just your ego and L to fight it off with no ability for that ego to hold on to those glimpses of "reality" that ego can use to support its existence. Very intense and very scary experience. Be prepared to get seriously bored of dying when you come back. Best of luck.
Noted, thanks for the good information. What did you mean by be prepared to be bored of dying when you come back. I think I got what you meant, but can you expand on that. Thanks.
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Noted, thanks for the good information. What did you mean by be prepared to be bored of dying when you come back. I think I got what you meant, but can you expand on that. Thanks.
Like you I was interested in ego-death and with the help of K I got there - it was terrifyingly difficult to cave in and go with a flow. And then I died! And it restarted again ... still with me, but with a slightly different life. And then I died again ... and again ... and again ... and again ... And then I lost trace of where I came from and links of previous lives and gave up to ever finding my way back to some body lying somewhere ... all of this while continuing to die so frequently that even hord of lemmings would not be able to repeat this feat. I died so many times and got so bored with it that I realised that ego-death is not a stage or phase or even mile stone to spend an extra second on ... it is like a blurry tree in an eye of a kid staring out of a car at full speed. When I came back I realised that my question "what is beyond death?" was simply silly.
So, hence my advice to be prepared to get bored with dying ... It does not make the horror of the first 50 or so any lower though
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I totally agree with the whole K inducing and ego loss trip.. 100%!
Did it the other day, only 300ug or so of L, then like a mountain of the kitkit, like .6. Once that drip went down, it was total ego death, for a few min at a time, or what seemed like a few min anyway, then id come to, and die again, and so on..
Moral is, snort K when on L! LOL Much love guys.
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Oh I see, thanks for elaborating. Did you all feel any different after your first ego death or any for that matter. Such as long term positivity etc.? The whole idea of ego loss is just so intriguing haha.
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Oh I see, thanks for elaborating. Did you all feel any different after your first ego death or any for that matter. Such as long term positivity etc.? The whole idea of ego loss is just so intriguing haha.
It is a fairly resetting experience. Positive or negative is hard to say - fresh for sure!
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Oh I see, thanks for elaborating. Did you all feel any different after your first ego death or any for that matter. Such as long term positivity etc.? The whole idea of ego loss is just so intriguing haha.
It is a fairly resetting experience. Positive or negative is hard to say - fresh for sure!
Haha alright cool. Thanks for taking your time to answer my questions man! Peace.
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Oh I see, thanks for elaborating. Did you all feel any different after your first ego death or any for that matter. Such as long term positivity etc.? The whole idea of ego loss is just so intriguing haha.
It might help one move forward in some kind of philosophical/spiritual quest...
L from clean/pure crystal might help. I believe that you can go quite far on 300ug...
incogmagnito & dirtybiscuitzz718: this 'over and over again ego death' did happen to you only with L + K or also with pure L in the past?
Light & Love!
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Last night I dosed 4 tabs from albionessentialols from the mayan calendar print. I had not taken any psychedelics for the past 22 days.
Time: 6:00 PM
Dose: 4 mayan calandars
Vendor: albionessentialols
After taking them, I began to finish up some things I needed done and my friend, who ate 5 yellow gandalfs from jerseycow helped me out. This lasted until I began to feel them faintly, which was after about a half hour. We then began to walk around my backyard aimlessly, just talking, until tracers began forming and the LSD began seeping into my mind nicely. We then laid down in some outdoor lounge chairs, which I felt like I was melting nicely into. My muscles began to glow warm and euphorically – it felt too good to move. I took in the sights of the tree’s – which looked oddly pointy and blocky, like green confetti – and the sky, which was full of clouds that were flying by at an abnormal speed. They looked more like objects than normal, but nothing to speak about. At about T+1:15, I was keenly aware of very detailed fractals that filled my vision.
A bit later, we went back inside, mostly because we wanted to hear some music, and settled on playing some ping pong, as the immobilizing aspect of the come-up had mostly worn off. The games were very close – they usually are on acid – and we were thoroughly enjoying ourselves at this point. It’s worth noting that inside was more a wash of colors vs. the splintered fractals of outside. The breathing of everything was much more noticeable.
We then lounged inside and talked about our pasts and futures and perceptions, etc., while listening to good music. Putting thoughts to words was a challenge at times, but nothing out of the ordinary for a large dose.
At about T+4:00, we began to have an impromptu exercise session, which felt very, very good. After the grogginess of the come-up wears off, I am always left extremely nimble and full of energy. Putting this energy to use was quite pleasurable.
At T+4:45, we went outside, where there was a thunder and lightning storm happening without rain. It was quite the event for us. We laid on my back patio and stared straight up. The sky was kind of glowing from behind the clouds. I assume it would have been a very bright night if it wasn’t so cloudy. At first as I looked up I could see a rainbow colored chain link spread circularly across the sky. This is a staple of the visual aspect of a high dose LSD trip for me. It flowed around and changed shape and color before turning into a swirl of 60’s acid inspired type graffiti writing written in the sky. I could not read what it said, but it was fascinating. This then began to turn into a very, very vivid mayan (or other south American native) art display. It was fully detailed and constantly moving across my field of vision. This lasted for quite a bit of time, and I was blown away.
Sometime later, we went for a walk 10 minute walk down the street and a surge would run through me after each time lightning would strike in the distance and the entire world would light up. It was invigorating.
We then went back inside and watched some of Mr. Show, which I had previously watched the last time had taken acid. The humor of that show matches LSD quite well. It’s a great show, and terrific fun on LSD.
At T+8:15, my friend decided to go to bed after giving two thumbs up for the yellow gandalfs. As I was going to my bed, I saw that the storm was full on now, and decided that I was not quite tired and sat out on my front porch. Here I reflected on the decisions I had made the last few weeks and whether they were the right ones. Heavy rain always soothes me and did so here and the thunder and lightning added some theatrics. Being somewhat outside myself, the objectivity came very easily, and the reflection will likely prove to be life-enhancing.
These tabs are top notch and took me on a visually packed and mentally and emotionally fulfilling experience.
Thanks albion. Thanks SR.
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Perpetual dying happened to me only once on L+K. I am not sure I'm keen to repeat it just yet.
I can imagine that one can achieve the same on pure L, but I feel that I might need to go into very heroic dose spaces for that.
One thing that I am pleased with though is the fact that instead of "simply" "conquering" death my take out from that trip was a lot more prosaic - being afraid of death is like being afraid of falling asleep in the evening – silly. But one would never truly feel it until you have a trip where you get bored of dying. Try it.
Thanks for your answer, sounds like an impressive/intense experience... I probably have to learn more about K :)
Last night I dosed 4 tabs from albionessentialols from the mayan calendar print. I had not taken any psychedelics for the past 22 days.
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Thanks albion. Thanks SR.
Thanks for sharing your experience, sounds like pretty clean L, and price per ug is one of the best here on SR... I wonder how it would compare to Tess stuff. Did you try this one too by chance?
It's really interesting that you had mayan patters, did it felt like they had some mayan vibes?
@PsychedelicSphere:
If you feel confortable/safe there, why would it be boring? The ''endlessness' of the waves' is never the same, and there are the stars, the sand... and the cosmos ;) ( ... but well, if you really feel that an other place would be better for that trip, there is probably a better place ... )
Enjoy!
Peace,
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Last night I dosed 4 tabs from albionessentialols from the mayan calendar print. I had not taken any psychedelics for the past 22 days.
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Thanks albion. Thanks SR.
Thanks for sharing your experience, sounds like pretty clean L, and price per ug is one of the best here on SR... I wonder how it would compare to Tess stuff. Did you try this one too by chance?
It's really interesting that you had mayan patters, did it felt like they had some mayan vibes?
I haven't had tess's stuff. Right when I saw the patterns I thought it was odd too. Probably just the power of suggestion. They looked like flowing mayan art / patterns. Other than this there was no mayan vibes or anything of the sort.
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this is how i feel about hero dose...."why? is there a point to this!...its like when i was a kid and try to smoke an ounce of weed..I got so high i didn't enjoy it.....unless your dropping acid every other day than 1200 uq is what you will need by the end of the week..for those who can handle 1000or more uq good for you. growing up many of my hippie friends who trained me in the art of getting high always stressed . don't abuse it or you will burn out man....of course i had the learn the hard way...but late in life, i agree...i know my limit and enjoy my get highs.....so that's the lesson here..find your get high and fly high baby..make sure you have a place to land so you will be ready for your next flight...
here is a link to a good read.......http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Tryptamines/Lysergic/comment.html
peace
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I haven't had tess's stuff. Right when I saw the patterns I thought it was odd too. Probably just the power of suggestion. They looked like flowing mayan art / patterns. Other than this there was no mayan vibes or anything of the sort.
Ok, thanks :)
Did you have any bodyload after the trip?
Peace,
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this is how i feel about hero dose...."why? is there a point to this!...its like when i was a kid and try to smoke an ounce of weed..I got so high i didn't enjoy it.....unless your dropping acid every other day than 1200 uq is what you will need by the end of the week..for those who can handle 1000or more uq good for you. growing up many of my hippie friends who trained me in the art of getting high always stressed . don't abuse it or you will burn out man....of course i had the learn the hard way...but late in life, i agree...i know my limit and enjoy my get highs.....so that's the lesson here..find your get high and fly high baby..make sure you have a place to land so you will be ready for your next flight...
here is a link to a good read.......http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Tryptamines/Lysergic/comment.html
peace
If I'll learn more from 1200ug then I admit I'm interested. In the sense of abusing it from frequent use (eg more than once/wk) that isn't something that I need to worry about since my life doesn't allow it. Good point though. Currently I can't deal with even 300ug of LSD because it gives me severe pain inside of me so I'm not even thinking about 1,200ug right now.
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this is how i feel about hero dose...."why? is there a point to this!...its like when i was a kid and try to smoke an ounce of weed..I got so high i didn't enjoy it.....unless your dropping acid every other day than 1200 uq is what you will need by the end of the week..for those who can handle 1000or more uq good for you. growing up many of my hippie friends who trained me in the art of getting high always stressed . don't abuse it or you will burn out man....of course i had the learn the hard way...but late in life, i agree...i know my limit and enjoy my get highs.....so that's the lesson here..find your get high and fly high baby..make sure you have a place to land so you will be ready for your next flight...
here is a link to a good read.......http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Tryptamines/Lysergic/comment.html
peace
If I'll learn more from 1200ug then I admit I'm interested. In the sense of abusing it from frequent use (eg more than once/wk) that isn't something that I need to worry about since my life doesn't allow it. Good point though. Currently I can't deal with even 300ug of LSD because it gives me severe pain inside of me so I'm not even thinking about 1,200ug right now.
What kind of pain are you talking about, slirp?
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What kind of pain are you talking about, slirp?
Something inside of my gut. Sometimes there is a pain in two spots instead of one.
My best guess (and it is nothing more than speculation) is that vasoconstriction is causing the sensation and then my brain is misinterpreting the sensation as pain because my senses are amplified on LSD. Whatever it is the pain is very real as far as my brain is concerned and I haven't been able to tune it out.
If I take MDMA then all of the pain goes away.
Any ideas?
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I haven't had tess's stuff. Right when I saw the patterns I thought it was odd too. Probably just the power of suggestion. They looked like flowing mayan art / patterns. Other than this there was no mayan vibes or anything of the sort.
Ok, thanks :)
Did you have any bodyload after the trip?
Peace,
None at all. I was working in the afternoon the day after and felt a little distanced from the people I was conversing with, or removed from the moment. I was still in the acid headspace a little bit. That was at about 20 hours after dosing. I was back after about 22 hours. No problem really.
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I second what incog says about this...
LSD is a powerful thing, second to only your mind. Much love guys.
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+1 to you DirtyBiscuitzz718, great thread! I hope ChinaCat is doing alright after reading about him having heart problems. He sounds like a cool ass cat! Hope he is doing better!
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incogmagnito and dirtybiscuitzz718,
thanks for the comments, they actually are helpful.
I'll just have to do more experiments/tests and see what I can figure out. It is something that I do need to figure out because the therapeutic value of LSD is too much to go without it. When I first took LSD I thought, "that's cool but I guess I'm not one of those people that feels changed for life from it." That's different now. I've come to realizations that have changed me (for the better).
I suppose I should at least give shrooms a try.
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Thats what im here for fellas, you, the people. 8)
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incogmagnito and dirtybiscuitzz718,
thanks for the comments, they actually are helpful.
I'll just have to do more experiments/tests and see what I can figure out. It is something that I do need to figure out because the therapeutic value of LSD is too much to go without it. When I first took LSD I thought, "that's cool but I guess I'm not one of those people that feels changed for life from it." That's different now. I've come to realizations that have changed me (for the better).
I suppose I should at least give shrooms a try.
yes, also DMT and mescaline ... natural oldest psychedelics :)
My order for DMT got cancelled but I'll be ordering from another source soon. I'm slightly worried about the pain returning while on DMT. Maybe it only lasts 15-25 minutes but if time comes to a stop it may seem like a very long hell. Going to try it though.
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Oder DMT from DrShrooms if he has any listings. His delivery time is nothing short of grease fucking lightning!
Its awesome, clean stuff too, for a great price.
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Ok, thanks :)
Did you have any bodyload after the trip?
Peace,
None at all. I was working in the afternoon the day after and felt a little distanced from the people I was conversing with, or removed from the moment. I was still in the acid headspace a little bit. That was at about 20 hours after dosing. I was back after about 22 hours. No problem really.
Ok, thanks for your answer... the mayan calendars definitely sound worth trying! (mahakala's dalai lama & Tess stuff too though ;) )
What kind of pain are you talking about, slirp?
Something inside of my gut. Sometimes there is a pain in two spots instead of one.
My best guess (and it is nothing more than speculation) is that vasoconstriction is causing the sensation and then my brain is misinterpreting the sensation as pain because my senses are amplified on LSD. Whatever it is the pain is very real as far as my brain is concerned and I haven't been able to tune it out.
If I take MDMA then all of the pain goes away.
Any ideas?
Did you ever try to go "inside" that pain with your mind (if you see what I mean?)? Sometimes that kind of experience can happen while meditating, and going "deeper" can bring back some memories/past experiences within your mind, before the pain "dissolves"...
Peace,
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Ok, thanks :)
Did you have any bodyload after the trip?
Peace,
None at all. I was working in the afternoon the day after and felt a little distanced from the people I was conversing with, or removed from the moment. I was still in the acid headspace a little bit. That was at about 20 hours after dosing. I was back after about 22 hours. No problem really.
Ok, thanks for your answer... the mayan calendars definitely sound worth trying! (mahakala's dalai lama & Tess stuff too though ;) )
What kind of pain are you talking about, slirp?
Something inside of my gut. Sometimes there is a pain in two spots instead of one.
My best guess (and it is nothing more than speculation) is that vasoconstriction is causing the sensation and then my brain is misinterpreting the sensation as pain because my senses are amplified on LSD. Whatever it is the pain is very real as far as my brain is concerned and I haven't been able to tune it out.
If I take MDMA then all of the pain goes away.
Any ideas?
Did you ever try to go "inside" that pain with your mind (if you see what I mean?)? Sometimes that kind of experience can happen while meditating, and going "deeper" can bring back some memories/past experiences within your mind, before the pain "dissolves"...
Peace,
This might come across as shallow but honestly when I'm on drugs I'm usually thinking about crazy sex acts with my girlfriend. Maybe this problem is as simple as getting some sexual "relief" before I get high.
My life is really good but it has enough complications that my anxiety is more about what I'm doing in the present time and where I'll go in the future. I eventually take MDMA and both the anxiety and the pain melt away so I definitely can't rule out the connection.
Now I also have anxiety about taking LSD without MDMA haha. I think next time I'll take the LSD but have the MDMA measured out and ready to take if I again get pain from the LSD. Last time I tried to hold off on the MDMA but finally snorted it for relief of the pain ASAP.
I'll figure this out thanks for the large supply of domestically sold LSD that has finally arrived on the road.
Thanks everyone.
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Slirp, by the way, your vasoconstriction theory I have dismissed off hand before could be totally sound. Apologies for that. Especially on high doses both LSD and other ergot derivatives can become rather noticeable. You must be very very very body aware - respect!
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I've heard that smoking weed brings more visuals out in an LSD trip. I don't smoke weed but wondering if 5f-ur144 might do similar.
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Ok, thanks :)
Did you have any bodyload after the trip?
Peace,
None at all. I was working in the afternoon the day after and felt a little distanced from the people I was conversing with, or removed from the moment. I was still in the acid headspace a little bit. That was at about 20 hours after dosing. I was back after about 22 hours. No problem really.
Ok, thanks for your answer... the mayan calendars definitely sound worth trying! (mahakala's dalai lama & Tess stuff too though ;) )
What kind of pain are you talking about, slirp?
Something inside of my gut. Sometimes there is a pain in two spots instead of one.
My best guess (and it is nothing more than speculation) is that vasoconstriction is causing the sensation and then my brain is misinterpreting the sensation as pain because my senses are amplified on LSD. Whatever it is the pain is very real as far as my brain is concerned and I haven't been able to tune it out.
If I take MDMA then all of the pain goes away.
Any ideas?
Did you ever try to go "inside" that pain with your mind (if you see what I mean?)? Sometimes that kind of experience can happen while meditating, and going "deeper" can bring back some memories/past experiences within your mind, before the pain "dissolves"...
Peace,
This might come across as shallow but honestly when I'm on drugs I'm usually thinking about crazy sex acts with my girlfriend. Maybe this problem is as simple as getting some sexual "relief" before I get high.
My life is really good but it has enough complications that my anxiety is more about what I'm doing in the present time and where I'll go in the future. I eventually take MDMA and both the anxiety and the pain melt away so I definitely can't rule out the connection.
Now I also have anxiety about taking LSD without MDMA haha. I think next time I'll take the LSD but have the MDMA measured out and ready to take if I again get pain from the LSD. Last time I tried to hold off on the MDMA but finally snorted it for relief of the pain ASAP.
I'll figure this out thanks for the large supply of domestically sold LSD that has finally arrived on the road.
Thanks everyone.
Wow...i can top that...Im so shallow when i get high now .All I'm thinking about is you and your girlfriend having wild sex... :o
I think the last time i did MDMA. I think i dehydrate when i take to much....does anyone else get that?
But i have to say its a real nice high....
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Ok, thanks :)
Did you have any bodyload after the trip?
Peace,
None at all. I was working in the afternoon the day after and felt a little distanced from the people I was conversing with, or removed from the moment. I was still in the acid headspace a little bit. That was at about 20 hours after dosing. I was back after about 22 hours. No problem really.
Ok, thanks for your answer... the mayan calendars definitely sound worth trying! (mahakala's dalai lama & Tess stuff too though ;) )
What kind of pain are you talking about, slirp?
Something inside of my gut. Sometimes there is a pain in two spots instead of one.
My best guess (and it is nothing more than speculation) is that vasoconstriction is causing the sensation and then my brain is misinterpreting the sensation as pain because my senses are amplified on LSD. Whatever it is the pain is very real as far as my brain is concerned and I haven't been able to tune it out.
If I take MDMA then all of the pain goes away.
Any ideas?
Did you ever try to go "inside" that pain with your mind (if you see what I mean?)? Sometimes that kind of experience can happen while meditating, and going "deeper" can bring back some memories/past experiences within your mind, before the pain "dissolves"...
Peace,
This might come across as shallow but honestly when I'm on drugs I'm usually thinking about crazy sex acts with my girlfriend. Maybe this problem is as simple as getting some sexual "relief" before I get high.
My life is really good but it has enough complications that my anxiety is more about what I'm doing in the present time and where I'll go in the future. I eventually take MDMA and both the anxiety and the pain melt away so I definitely can't rule out the connection.
Now I also have anxiety about taking LSD without MDMA haha. I think next time I'll take the LSD but have the MDMA measured out and ready to take if I again get pain from the LSD. Last time I tried to hold off on the MDMA but finally snorted it for relief of the pain ASAP.
I'll figure this out thanks for the large supply of domestically sold LSD that has finally arrived on the road.
Thanks everyone.
Wow...i can top that...Im so shallow when i get high now .All I'm thinking about is you and your girlfriend having wild sex... :o
I think the last time i did MDMA. I think i dehydrate when i take to much....does anyone else get that?
But i have to say its a real nice high....
Hey Fly, yea I dehydrate like a muhfucka on mdma, and quick too. Usually when I dose heavy and its so hard to drink water when i rolling that hard cause it'll make me vomit, lol.
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I've heard that smoking weed brings more visuals out in an LSD trip. I don't smoke weed but wondering if 5f-ur144 might do similar.
I wouldnt go so far as to say that smoking weed on L makes the visuals stronger, I can surly attest that it will make you notice the visuals much more simply. Ive some to learn that all the visuals from really clean L are always right in front of your eyes, even if you dont think you have any. Its kind of hard to describe. I had this convo with a friend last time we tripped. We had done shrooms the night before and on 4 drops of JORs TOC, he said he had ZERO visuals. I on the other hand, had loads of amazing OEV.
I figured out a way to force his eyes to focus on the visuals and not what his eyes where actually seeing in front of him. I told him to go stand right in front of a brick wall. like point blank, nose to the wall, eyes wide open but not to focus in on the brick, just stare at the wall as if it was a window and your looking out it into the distance. With in less than 30 seconds, "Ohhh shitt! yoo crazy rainbow kaleidoscopes, everywhere!". LOL
You just have to learn to tune your eyes in so to speak.
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Ok, thanks :)
Did you have any bodyload after the trip?
Peace,
None at all. I was working in the afternoon the day after and felt a little distanced from the people I was conversing with, or removed from the moment. I was still in the acid headspace a little bit. That was at about 20 hours after dosing. I was back after about 22 hours. No problem really.
Ok, thanks for your answer... the mayan calendars definitely sound worth trying! (mahakala's dalai lama & Tess stuff too though ;) )
What kind of pain are you talking about, slirp?
Something inside of my gut. Sometimes there is a pain in two spots instead of one.
My best guess (and it is nothing more than speculation) is that vasoconstriction is causing the sensation and then my brain is misinterpreting the sensation as pain because my senses are amplified on LSD. Whatever it is the pain is very real as far as my brain is concerned and I haven't been able to tune it out.
If I take MDMA then all of the pain goes away.
Any ideas?
Did you ever try to go "inside" that pain with your mind (if you see what I mean?)? Sometimes that kind of experience can happen while meditating, and going "deeper" can bring back some memories/past experiences within your mind, before the pain "dissolves"...
Peace,
This might come across as shallow but honestly when I'm on drugs I'm usually thinking about crazy sex acts with my girlfriend. Maybe this problem is as simple as getting some sexual "relief" before I get high.
My life is really good but it has enough complications that my anxiety is more about what I'm doing in the present time and where I'll go in the future. I eventually take MDMA and both the anxiety and the pain melt away so I definitely can't rule out the connection.
Now I also have anxiety about taking LSD without MDMA haha. I think next time I'll take the LSD but have the MDMA measured out and ready to take if I again get pain from the LSD. Last time I tried to hold off on the MDMA but finally snorted it for relief of the pain ASAP.
I'll figure this out thanks for the large supply of domestically sold LSD that has finally arrived on the road.
Thanks everyone.
Wow...i can top that...Im so shallow when i get high now .All I'm thinking about is you and your girlfriend having wild sex... :o
I think the last time i did MDMA. I think i dehydrate when i take to much....does anyone else get that?
But i have to say its a real nice high....
When we're high I'm sure we'd think it was a really good idea to let other people watch. :)
I consider dehydration (along with overheating) the biggest risk while using MDMA. Often an hour of vigorous magical sex the bed it so soaked that it is as if somebody dumped a bucket of water on it.
I stock up on gatorade/powerade because when replenishing that much water you need the electrolytes. Otherwise your electrolyte balance gets out of whack and that can kill you. Only really an issue if you're replenishing significant amounts of water. The gatorade/powerade is easy to drink though. Easy way to get calories into your system if you need it after rolling for hours (sugar-free is available as well of course).
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Anyone tried taking other drugs with LSD to enhance the visuals? I get heavy visuals when I'm tripping hard but my head is so fucked up from the LSD that I can't even pay attention to them.
I'd also like to extend the experience, perhaps with redosing LSD or taking another chemical such as 2C-B later.
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Anyone tried taking other drugs with LSD to enhance the visuals? I get heavy visuals when I'm tripping hard but my head is so fucked up from the LSD that I can't even pay attention to them.
I'd also like to extend the experience, perhaps with redosing LSD or taking another chemical such as 2C-B later.
The visuals I get from 30mg of 2C-B seems far better than 600ug of acid. But 2C-B is quite short lived for me. It lasts only about 2 hours of peak time. I combined acid and 2C-B twice and it was pretty good. I would advise you to try 2C-B by itself before combining them together. I took 2C-B around T+4:00 mark of acid trip.
add some MDMA with that and you will be flying high ;) ..I need about 50mg of 2c-b for a good trip...
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Anyone tried taking other drugs with LSD to enhance the visuals? I get heavy visuals when I'm tripping hard but my head is so fucked up from the LSD that I can't even pay attention to them.
I'd also like to extend the experience, perhaps with redosing LSD or taking another chemical such as 2C-B later.
The visuals I get from 30mg of 2C-B seems far better than 600ug of acid. But 2C-B is quite short lived for me. It lasts only about 2 hours of peak time. I combined acid and 2C-B twice and it was pretty good. I would advise you to try 2C-B by itself before combining them together. I took 2C-B around T+4:00 mark of acid trip.
add some MDMA with that and you will be flying high ;) ..I need about 50mg of 2c-b for a good trip...
Did that too and I liked it very much. I followed a similar trip that AnimusVox had with Acid, MDMA, 2C-B and GHB and it was really really great. But I am little bit worried about using MDMA too frequently :). But with Acid and 2C-B combined together I think 2 weeks of gap in between is just fine.
Thanks for the information guys.
This past weekend I started with plugging 80mg of MDA and ~300ug of LSD. At about +3h I just couldn't stay awake (even if I probably couldn't technically fall asleep) so I started snorting cocaine and mephedrone. At some point I took another 150ug of LSD.
At about +8h I started using 2C-B, first in very small amounts because I get so nervous measuring it especially when I'm high. I've used 2C-B before btw. It doesn't seem to last long for me. I think I'll go with at least 30mg at once next time when I can feel the LSD starting to diminish. Takes about 45 minutes to hit when I take it orally so maybe I'll doing 30-40mg and then redose before it wears off. Really hard to know how much to take and when, especially when you're fuck up. :)
Oh and I used ketamine at the end because it can throw me back into chaos with the LSD that is left in my system although only for 15-30 minutes. I took the ketamine too late this past time though.
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GoodShitExplorer that is interesting you get better visuals from the 2C-B than LSD. I've probably experienced the same. People say that the 25x-NBOMe visuals are more artificial than LSD but I haven't heard much about 2C-B artificial vs lifelike. I've had them both ways with 2C-B (different trips). Maybe with LSD in my system still it'll be more life-like visuals. I'll have to experiment.
My 2C-B disappears faster than it should. Such a fine powder. I need for BlueViking to get more or for another US domestic vendor to start offering 1g for under $100 again.
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Hi there,
I started a new forum page about "micro-dosing" LSD...
the discussion has been very interesting already - and we've added the facet of "energy/intention/vibe" of the molecules to the discussion...
in case some of you (or all of you) would like to participate in that discussion, here's the link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=173822.0
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Anyone tried taking other drugs with LSD to enhance the visuals? I get heavy visuals when I'm tripping hard but my head is so fucked up from the LSD that I can't even pay attention to them.
I'd also like to extend the experience, perhaps with redosing LSD or taking another chemical such as 2C-B later.
The visuals I get from 30mg of 2C-B seems far better than 600ug of acid. But 2C-B is quite short lived for me. It lasts only about 2 hours of peak time. I combined acid and 2C-B twice and it was pretty good. I would advise you to try 2C-B by itself before combining them together. I took 2C-B around T+4:00 mark of acid trip.
add some MDMA with that and you will be flying high ;) ..I need about 50mg of 2c-b for a good trip...
Did that too and I liked it very much. I followed a similar trip that AnimusVox had with Acid, MDMA, 2C-B and GHB and it was really really great. But I am little bit worried about using MDMA too frequently :). But with Acid and 2C-B combined together I think 2 weeks of gap in between is just fine.
Thanks for the information guys.
This past weekend I started with plugging 80mg of MDA and ~300ug of LSD. At about +3h I just couldn't stay awake (even if I probably couldn't technically fall asleep) so I started snorting cocaine and mephedrone. At some point I took another 150ug of LSD.
At about +8h I started using 2C-B, first in very small amounts because I get so nervous measuring it especially when I'm high. I've used 2C-B before btw. It doesn't seem to last long for me. I think I'll go with at least 30mg at once next time when I can feel the LSD starting to diminish. Takes about 45 minutes to hit when I take it orally so maybe I'll doing 30-40mg and then redose before it wears off. Really hard to know how much to take and when, especially when you're fuck up. :)
Oh and I used ketamine at the end because it can throw me back into chaos with the LSD that is left in my system although only for 15-30 minutes. I took the ketamine too late this past time though.
I think measuring drugs when high is calling for troubles :) . I always measure them well ahead of time and make a solid plan. I do not normally take any unplanned drugs during my trip/roll. The only deviation I go for is when I do not want to take any planned drugs in between because I like the current state very well.
I never re-dosed 2C-B. I might try that as well especially when it's not very dangerous :)
I agree...i plan my trip when i plan to flip...have my 2c-b ready , mdma ready.....and i try not to re-dose...thats the hard part sometimes, know when to stop .....but MDMA....then 2c-b ...is a great tripping night......flysafe, flyhigh ;).
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I'm going to make some 2C-B gelcaps although I may need to wait for < $90/g domestic 2C-B to become available so I'll have enough to bother with it. I don't know if all 2C-B is the same way but the stuff I have from BlueViking is an extremely fine powder that likes to stick to objects and I was trying to weigh small amounts. I'm not going to be afraid to just take 30mg at once next time.
I do find that I need to redose my MDMA based on how I'm feeling. I'm also still figuring what the MDA/MDMA mix/timing that works right for me. But in general I'm going to try and get everything measured out ahead of time. Good suggestions.
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I agree...i plan my trip when i plan to flip...have my 2c-b ready , mdma ready.....and i try not to re-dose...thats the hard part sometimes, know when to stop .....but MDMA....then 2c-b ...is a great tripping night......flysafe, flyhigh ;).
Time to stop after 24h. :)
Seriously though it is the initial come-up that is hard for me. After several hours I seem to be able to handle more drugs way more easily. I'm often finding myself regretful for not redosing early enough. Maybe I'm just fooling myself that I can handle drugs for more than 8h but I only get about one weekend/month to have fun so I'd really like to extend the experience.
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I agree...i plan my trip when i plan to flip...have my 2c-b ready , mdma ready.....and i try not to re-dose...thats the hard part sometimes, know when to stop .....but MDMA....then 2c-b ...is a great tripping night......flysafe, flyhigh ;).
Time to stop after 24h. :)
Seriously though it is the initial come-up that is hard for me. After several hours I seem to be able to handle more drugs way more easily. I'm often finding myself regretful for not redosing early enough. Maybe I'm just fooling myself that I can handle drugs for more than 8h but I only get about one weekend/month to have fun so I'd really like to extend the experience.
I hear ya...when your on a 12 hr tripping roll....your thinking another 100mg bump of mdma......than at 14 hrs your like hummm...another 100mg..? thats when i need to say chill..i find that the 2c-b 2 hrs after my last mdma hit ...works well...then i roll to a stop....I dont roll 24 hrs anymore....Fly needs his sleep ;)
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I agree...i plan my trip when i plan to flip...have my 2c-b ready , mdma ready.....and i try not to re-dose...thats the hard part sometimes, know when to stop .....but MDMA....then 2c-b ...is a great tripping night......flysafe, flyhigh ;).
Time to stop after 24h. :)
Seriously though it is the initial come-up that is hard for me. After several hours I seem to be able to handle more drugs way more easily. I'm often finding myself regretful for not redosing early enough. Maybe I'm just fooling myself that I can handle drugs for more than 8h but I only get about one weekend/month to have fun so I'd really like to extend the experience.
I hear ya...when your on a 12 hr tripping roll....your thinking another 100mg bump of mdma......than at 14 hrs your like hummm...another 100mg..? thats when i need to say chill..i find that the 2c-b 2 hrs after my last mdma hit ...works well...then i roll to a stop....I dont roll 24 hrs anymore....Fly needs his sleep ;)
When I trip on acid my that night's sleep is gone from my life especially when I take the acid during the later part of the day. If I take around 10-11 PM at night then I would only be able to sleep during the same time the following night. But I do not feel any bad or tired at all. May be it's just me.
Not just you. I use around 11pm and go to sleep around 10pm the next night.
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I'm going to make some 2C-B gelcaps although I may need to wait for < $90/g domestic 2C-B to become available so I'll have enough to bother with it. I don't know if all 2C-B is the same way but the stuff I have from BlueViking is an extremely fine powder that likes to stick to objects and I was trying to weigh small amounts. I'm not going to be afraid to just take 30mg at once next time.
I do find that I need to redose my MDMA based on how I'm feeling. I'm also still figuring what the MDA/MDMA mix/timing that works right for me. But in general I'm going to try and get everything measured out ahead of time. Good suggestions.
I hear very good things about mahakala's 2CB - I know it is not domestic for you, but neither I have heard anyone complain about non-arrival.
I would love to ask you and @GSE and @flyhigh as to what doses of MDMA you take with acid, when (I know that some people go for MDMA first, some other way around) and most importantly - what do you do to manage the downer of the next few days (I had a bad couple of days after I used MDMA my first and last time ... not sure I want to repeat that depression).
Thank you!
When I trip on acid my that night's sleep is gone from my life especially when I take the acid during the later part of the day. If I take around 10-11 PM at night then I would only be able to sleep during the same time the following night. But I do not feel any bad or tired at all. May be it's just me.
Not just you. I use around 11pm and go to sleep around 10pm the next night.
Even benzos do not help?
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When I trip on acid my that night's sleep is gone from my life especially when I take the acid during the later part of the day. If I take around 10-11 PM at night then I would only be able to sleep during the same time the following night. But I do not feel any bad or tired at all. May be it's just me.
Not just you. I use around 11pm and go to sleep around 10pm the next night.
Even benzos do not help?
Oh yes. I take a Valium the next night when I know my body has had enough and I'm asleep very quickly after that.
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Oh yes. I take a Valium the next night when I know my body has had enough and I'm asleep very quickly after that.
Great, thanks for confirming! I have Valium and Xanax ... which one from your opinion is better?
During the last candyflipping I used 1mg of MDMA per 1 LB of my body weight. GHB at around T+8:00 does seem to help with the depression that one might experience during the next 2-4 days. I felt bit melancholic and emotionally bit soft (little teary eyes, etc) and it was not that bad at all.
I don't think I ever used benzos after any acid trip. I actually like the headspace after the intensity is gone. I normally use that time to note down my learning.
Good point on headspace, but I normally go for a trip during the day and try to get to sleep at the usual hour or I am a total wreck the next day.
I have never taken GHB - need to do some research. Does it somehow affect one's serotonin balance? How does it make the comedown easier?
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Oh yes. I take a Valium the next night when I know my body has had enough and I'm asleep very quickly after that.
For falling asleep I would recommend Xanax, it's fast acting and pretty potent.
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For falling asleep I would recommend Xanax, it's fast acting and pretty potent.
Thank you!
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I would love to ask you and @GSE and @flyhigh as to what doses of MDMA you take with acid, when (I know that some people go for MDMA first, some other way around) and most importantly - what do you do to manage the downer of the next few days (I had a bad couple of days after I used MDMA my first and last time ... not sure I want to repeat that depression).
I'm still figuring how the amounts/times for MDMA/MDA/LSD, but I've never used these 200mg+ doses of MDMA I often read about on SR. Maybe 200mg at most if you include my redose.
I haven't had issues with the MDMA Tuesday blues or whatever they are called but maybe it's because I use a lower dose or maybe it has something to do with my meds or maybe we're just all a little different.
Now mephedrone....wow I feel like there are no neurotransmitters left in my brain after that stuff.
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@GSA, thank you and +1 for the pointer!
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Do you guys think there will be any trouble with JoR's LOTUS of TOC vials suffering heat damage while being shipped to the states from the UK? I really want to grab a vial before he is gone but i am scared the quality will be deplenished in the heat. Also, had anyone experienced both the LOTUS and TOC liquid? I am stuck deciding which I should purchase.
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Hey EA, ive only had the pleasure of getting the TOC but im sure the lotus liquid is just as good at the very least.
As for heat damage, you will most definitely be fine. Im currently in a VERY hot part of the states, and ive never had a single issue on that front. Much love.
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I am still on that LSD + MDMA + GHB theme.
Does anyone know how and why GHB negates MDMA's horrible next couple of days?
If MDMA depletes one's serotonin reserves then how does GHB help to fix that?
I know that it is not on the thread theme, but I am very keen to try this fabled combo I mentioned above, but I am not keen to have a downer I have experienced on my first and only try of MDMA.
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I am still on that LSD + MDMA + GHB theme.
Does anyone know how and why GHB negates MDMA's horrible next couple of days?
If MDMA depletes one's serotonin reserves then how does GHB help to fix that?
I know that it is not on the thread theme, but I am very keen to try this fabled combo I mentioned above, but I am not keen to have a downer I have experienced on my first and only try of MDMA.
The way I read the article, and maybe this is wrong but:
-redosing MDMA more than once leads to consequences
-instead of redosing MDMA a second time use GHB which allows your body to extend the benefit from the existing MDMA/serotonin already in your system
-you've now extended your MDMA roll without taking an excessive amount of MDMA
The article title does however say "mitigating its after-effects with GHB" so maybe my reading of the article is wrong.
GHB is something that I have yet to try. If there's a good cheap US domestic supplier right now then maybe I need to order.
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A question crossed my mind just a minute ago...
"Did anyone try to use liquid lsd as a drop in the eye?".
I've heard of people putting their blotters for a second on their eyeball before swallowing it,
seems it makes the trip more visual... so if you can put a blotter on your eye - why couldn't you drop liquid lsd in it?
Maybe high ug drops aren't really interesting for this application (too acidic?),
but lower dosed drops...could they give you an enjoyable experience if administred in your eye?
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I am still on that LSD + MDMA + GHB theme.
Does anyone know how and why GHB negates MDMA's horrible next couple of days?
If MDMA depletes one's serotonin reserves then how does GHB help to fix that?
I know that it is not on the thread theme, but I am very keen to try this fabled combo I mentioned above, but I am not keen to have a downer I have experienced on my first and only try of MDMA.
The way I read the article, and maybe this is wrong but:
-redosing MDMA more than once leads to consequences
-instead of redosing MDMA a second time use GHB which allows your body to extend the benefit from the existing MDMA/serotonin already in your system
-you've now extended your MDMA roll without taking an excessive amount of MDMA
The article title does however say "mitigating its after-effects with GHB" so maybe my reading of the article is wrong.
GHB is something that I have yet to try. If there's a good cheap US domestic supplier right now then maybe I need to order.
Thank you, this makes sense in a very nuanced way. It does look like there is plenty of anecdotal evidence but very little in a way of mechanics of action.
I do think that you are right that preventing redosing is one of the factors as in my own experience I did end up topping up :(
A question crossed my mind just a minute ago...
"Did anyone try to use liquid lsd as a drop in the eye?".
I've heard of people putting their blotters for a second on their eyeball before swallowing it,
seems it makes the trip more visual... so if you can put a blotter on your eye - why couldn't you drop liquid lsd in it?
Maybe high ug drops aren't really interesting for this application (too acidic?),
but lower dosed drops...could they give you an enjoyable experience if administred in your eye?
given that most frequent solvent for drops is top-shelf vodka I am not sure how eye would take 40% strong alcohol solution - one thing that it clearly will not do is leave you without the eye. Sounds like pretty unorthodox way of doing it - just make sure that if you get tears running down you cheek that they end up in your mouth :)
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I would love to ask you and @GSE and @flyhigh as to what doses of MDMA you take with acid, when (I know that some people go for MDMA first, some other way around) and most importantly - what do you do to manage the downer of the next few days (I had a bad couple of days after I used MDMA my first and last time ... not sure I want to repeat that depression).
I'm still figuring how the amounts/times for MDMA/MDA/LSD, but I've never used these 200mg+ doses of MDMA I often read about on SR. Maybe 200mg at most if you include my redose.
I haven't had issues with the MDMA Tuesday blues or whatever they are called but maybe it's because I use a lower dose or maybe it has something to do with my meds or maybe we're just all a little different.
Now mephedrone....wow I feel like there are no neurotransmitters left in my brain after that stuff.
the last time i flipped i did 250mg of MDMA....2 hr later bump a 100......than 2 hrs 50mg 2c-b...i was done for the night...this was a very nice trip..i could drop to 200mg....i cant wait to try the MDA....
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I would love to ask you and @GSE and @flyhigh as to what doses of MDMA you take with acid, when (I know that some people go for MDMA first, some other way around) and most importantly - what do you do to manage the downer of the next few days (I had a bad couple of days after I used MDMA my first and last time ... not sure I want to repeat that depression).
I'm still figuring how the amounts/times for MDMA/MDA/LSD, but I've never used these 200mg+ doses of MDMA I often read about on SR. Maybe 200mg at most if you include my redose.
I haven't had issues with the MDMA Tuesday blues or whatever they are called but maybe it's because I use a lower dose or maybe it has something to do with my meds or maybe we're just all a little different.
Now mephedrone....wow I feel like there are no neurotransmitters left in my brain after that stuff.
the last time i flipped i did 250mg of MDMA....2 hr later bump a 100......than 2 hrs 50mg 2c-b...i was done for the night...this was a very nice trip..i could drop to 200mg....i cant wait to try the MDA....
yes, I am looking at 3Janes MDA too. Apparently it is a bit more psychedelic than MDMA, so should fit nicely into the LSD + MDA + 2CB + GHB.
Your doses though are ... humongous :)
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Hey guys, i find that no matter what the dose of mdma you drop when on the flip side, either way, after the blow up and the roll dies out, the L runs strong. Making for a crashless come down, if it is the end of your night. Much love to all of you and thanks for hanging around here 8)
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So I haven't eaten LSD in a long, long time. I think I'm going to eat a little bit next weekend. I'm pretty damn nervous. Haven't been tripping much because of personal shit that I've been working through. Wish me well!
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So I haven't eaten LSD in a long, long time. I think I'm going to eat a little bit next weekend. I'm pretty damn nervous. Haven't been tripping much because of personal shit that I've been working through. Wish me well!
Ill be with you :D :o ??? 8)
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I've taken decent amounts of LSD (eg 350ug followed by more), 2C-B and MDA but not sure if I've ever gotten CEVs. I have been flooded to sensations in my mind while tripping but don't think I would describe them as visual. With my eyes closed and while listening to electronic music I've at times like I'm riding waves of cosmic sensation.
What are your experiences?
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I've taken decent amounts of LSD (eg 350ug followed by more), 2C-B and MDA but not sure if I've ever gotten CEVs. I have been flooded to sensations in my mind while tripping but don't think I would describe them as visual. With my eyes closed and while listening to electronic music I've at times like I'm riding waves of cosmic sensation.
What are your experiences?
You took 350ug of acid and more, and you took 2C-B but never had any CEV's?
That's weird for me... I almost have CEV's when I smoke good hash...
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Hey guys,
as lsd sharpens all senses i wonder if there is a LSD ritual where people get to ticle their senses?
I cant imagine hippys back in the days didnt figure something like this... This could lead into people using and enjoying their senses more, thus enjoying life more.
I had such an experience the last time on LSD when i had 1g of 5 different very sick weed strains. I have NEVER in my life smelled anything that intense. And since then i think in a different way of smelling. If i smell something i explore it. Let my sense study the smell. When before i smelled something i didnt think about it. Yer, it just smelled like 'that'. But i didnt explore anything furthermore.. I kinda learned to enjoy and explore smellings. When before i only smelled.
Now i think i would like something like that for all my other senses too! In most cases this could lead into a better living overall. The only downside of which i could think of is when the senses for pain get sharpened too, which i think they will!
Anyway, if somebody heared of something like that please let me know! i am very interested.
And if there is nothing like it yet, i think its the task of the lsd avengers to create it! :D
Sight: (like looking at special pics that can inspire you, or something that could lead u feeling like laying on a beach or something. I personally have a nice desktop picture from a city in the US with a skyline and lots of light. I once sat there 2 hours looking at it enjoying it more than any action movie i can think of. I was almost able to look in each window. It looked like everything was alive. The sky looked like it was moving. At no time the picture looked the same. Everywhere i looked it seemed there was something up. While exploring and enjoying this picture there came very cool thoughts, good ideas for the future and whatnot)
Hearing: ( Music, obviously enjoyed differently by everyone. But the last time i took 2 drops TOC for a mild trip, i explored youtube a whole night. I found some very sick stuff probably created for Trippers. Look at this while tripping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swj_1uhAeW4
Take ur time for it. Let ur soul fly and look at this black art like thing. Man! The music is changing the colors of this thing!!!!! I couldnt get over it.... And the whole thing is called 'Alle Farben' in english 'All colors'.
Then there was another sensation i had from music, im not sure but it could very well be that 'Alle Farben' aswell. That was that the music was playing with my feelings! Really sick, i felt so bad at some point and i figured it was because of the music, so i wanted to change it, but then the music became even better than before to make my feelings go upward like i barely ever experienced. I think the music was made specially for that. If u feel good from the music and it is already getting boring because it is good all the way, the music makes u feel bad, just to gain even more joy when it becomes good again. Then it makes u feel bored and all kind of stuff like that. This is music playing with ur senses and feelings. Gorgeous if u ask me.
Taste: That is something i have not much experience with. I have yet to eat fruit while tripping. I ate a banana once but cant remember anything special at it. I have to add im no great fruit eater too. What i did experience tho was when i ate jellybabys. Usually i just take a pack, put them in my mouth and swallow asap. On lsd i was able to explore every single taste of it to infinity. Even different states of taste. When i put them in my mouth i taste it, and the longer i hold it in and concentrate on it, the stronger the taste becomes
Smell: i have explained at the start of this post
Touch: pain that is for example. Testing different states of pain, not to enjoy but to explore. Also i have yet to have a sexual experience. I was thinking about tripping with a girl alone. Take a hotel room, some acid and then enjoy eachothers body for the full trip. Like getting naked and stay like that for the hole trip being and do whatever u want.
The only downside to the sex thing is that my gf dont do drugs at all. And i would never get her to take lsd. That was the first time of my life that i thought about cheating. I already got an ex gf of mine ready for that, she was willing to do it with me. But after thinking about it more deeply i came to the conclusion that i cant do this to my gf. She just doesnt deserve that. Im pretty sure i wouldnt be able to sleep well anymore from there on out. So i cut this out for me :( I will probably just trip myself and try to enjoy it that way. She made a good sitter when i took xtc after years of break. Was almost like she were rolling herself :D
So guys, if u have ever read something about such a ritual/procedure please let me know. Im very interested in stuff like that.
Have a great life! :D
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I had quite some different locations already. Once i was in the wood at night. Once we took a walk through it at day time. More often we just chill together, hear music, talk about things. We figured the trip is way more mellow at day time. So we usually start in the evening.
Well i gotta add i did not have the balls for such a big dose yet. The most i took was 4-5 drops of the TOC. Usually i aim at ~180ug.
Anyway, yet we did it together only for fun and not to explore it more deeply. I figured there is way more possible with it if i explore it alone, meditate on it. Or if i do special things with it. Like the last time with those 5 different weed strains. It was hilarious! Way more special to me than anyone of u can imagine! It was like i have smelled something for REAL for the first time in my life! I explored these smelling senses the whole trip with 5 different, very sick, strains of weed. For me as a weed lover that was one of the nicest experiences i have had with L! Outstanding to say the least! :D
I would really like to get a Ritual going to explore all other senses that way too! Nobody ever heared of anything like that?
The Burning Man seems cool. Tho i cant afford to go anywhere near such places. Also i cant hear Rock Music. There would be a great chance of bad mood with that kind of music.
maybe i will just make a thread for it and see what other guys found to be very cool experiences.
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I had quite some different locations already. Once i was in the wood at night. Once we took a walk through it at day time. More often we just chill together, hear music, talk about things. We figured the trip is way more mellow at day time. So we usually start in the evening.
Well i gotta add i did not have the balls for such a big dose yet. The most i took was 4-5 drops of the TOC. Usually i aim at ~180ug.
Anyway, yet we did it together only for fun and not to explore it more deeply. I figured there is way more possible with it if i explore it alone, meditate on it. Or if i do special things with it. Like the last time with those 5 different weed strains. It was hilarious! Way more special to me than anyone of u can imagine! It was like i have smelled something for REAL for the first time in my life! I explored these smelling senses the whole trip with 5 different, very sick, strains of weed. For me as a weed lover that was one of the nicest experiences i have had with L! Outstanding to say the least! :D
I would really like to get a Ritual going to explore all other senses that way too! Nobody ever heared of anything like that?
The Burning Man seems cool. Tho i cant afford to go anywhere near such places. Also i cant hear Rock Music. There would be a great chance of bad mood with that kind of music.
maybe i will just make a thread for it and see what other guys found to be very cool experiences.
To have an idea of "our little ritual" check this trip report I wrote a while ago @ the Avengers:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=45270.msg1198532#msg1198532
If you want more details PM me.
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I've taken decent amounts of LSD (eg 350ug followed by more), 2C-B and MDA but not sure if I've ever gotten CEVs. I have been flooded to sensations in my mind while tripping but don't think I would describe them as visual. With my eyes closed and while listening to electronic music I've at times like I'm riding waves of cosmic sensation.
What are your experiences?
You took 350ug of acid and more, and you took 2C-B but never had any CEV's?
That's weird for me... I almost have CEV's when I smoke good hash...
Does it feel like you can really see the things or does it seem more like your imagination or something other?
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Hearing: ( Music, obviously enjoyed differently by everyone. But the last time i took 2 drops TOC for a mild trip, i explored youtube a whole night. I found some very sick stuff probably created for Trippers. Look at this while tripping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swj_1uhAeW4
Pretty much every trip that I've had I've spent hours on youtube. I believe that lots of the mainsteam stuff was made by directors that trip based on the visuals they put in. However, I spend much of my time listening to trap music and such. There is a lot of stuff on youtube with sound/visuals made for tripping. I guess there are a lot of us out there.
I love to surf sensation while tripping although I haven't really enjoyed food as of yet.
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Oh your trip report is super cool and i enjoyed reading it a lot! But it is not exactly what i was looking for.
I was rather thinking of a 'real' ritual, like lining up a bunch of fruits and sharp(chilli) things, sour things, sweet etc for the tasting sensation, lining up all kinds of weed (or for none - weed - smokers something else) for the smelling sensation, some special mind altering music that possibly lets u taste what u hear (maybe also sends u on some sick journeys), some special tasks u have to accomplish to get different kind of 'WOW' effects and stuff like that.
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Oh your trip report is super cool and i enjoyed reading it a lot! But it is not exactly what i was looking for.
I was rather thinking of a 'real' ritual, like lining up a bunch of fruits and sharp(chilli) things, sour things, sweet etc for the tasting sensation, lining up all kinds of weed (or for none - weed - smokers something else) for the smelling sensation, some special mind altering music that possibly lets u taste what u hear (maybe also sends u on some sick journeys), some special tasks u have to accomplish to get different kind of 'WOW' effects and stuff like that.
That makes sense. Are you thinking to make your own ritual? I'd certainly like to hear about it.
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yes im thinking to do that obviously. But i would much rather take other experiences with that, maybe already 'perfected' ones, and explore them, rather than to find a special one myself. That would save me time and brain cells :D But i am going to do it either way.
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I've taken decent amounts of LSD (eg 350ug followed by more), 2C-B and MDA but not sure if I've ever gotten CEVs. I have been flooded to sensations in my mind while tripping but don't think I would describe them as visual. With my eyes closed and while listening to electronic music I've at times like I'm riding waves of cosmic sensation.
What are your experiences?
You took 350ug of acid and more, and you took 2C-B but never had any CEV's?
That's weird for me... I almost have CEV's when I smoke good hash...
Does it feel like you can really see the things or does it seem more like your imagination or something other?
If feels like I'm @ the movie!!! ;D
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I'm going to try and stay on topic. I have eaten LSD 70-80x, mostly multiple doses, with holidays, and have taken psilocybes 40-50x, never done most tryptamines, nBOMe, or psychedelic PEAs, except MDMA. I have experienced extreme ego death to the point to the point that I've questioned the existence of everything I hold sacred.
OK, CEVs and senses seem to be what is the topic of the day. I almost consider CEVs to be background, for instance, if you look at the night sky when you are post-peak, you will see patterns of various kinds, now, if you change your thinking by a bit, you will find that these patterns roughly change with changes in your thinking process. This may not be apparent, if you are seriously intoxicated by the trip, it will seem like your jacked-up subconscious is just running away from you, like a train, but this is your 3rd eye, it gets tired, just like your regular vision centers, so it wallpapers blank canvasses to satisfy the brain's need for a coherent image. I often see flowers, peace signs, rotating cubes, circles, various mandalas and other repeating patterns. These are roughly what my CEVs look like, the main difference being that with closed eyes, you can focus a CEV into a 'movie' playing in your head, because your eyes don't have to work, you are freed to see only through the 3rd eye. These images can be almost anything, you might even just think you are dreaming or thinking out loud, but you are actually seeing your thoughts. This is a difficult thing for people to get their head around, but we've done experiments on this kind of thing, and has been reproduced. OEVs, aside from tracers/wiggles/lines/distortions, are not always seen by everyone. I always say that you haven't tripped until you've seen an OEV. This is an oversimplification, but you need to get deep enough into the experience to get them, it will not happen unless you can let go completely. It might, but it might not. Some people are probably incapable of having OEVs, such people will manifest the visions back into thoughts, and find themselves completely lost, and will think they are going crazy. The cross-over to the controlled-visual stage from the peak, is a turning point of sorts. If you have peaked hard enough, you will(or should) still get visions for another 6-8hr or longer.
Now, as far as senses go, I recommend drinking tea, beer, orange juice, liquor, etc. I cannot put into words how good a sip of budweiser tasted on my last LSD trip, it was insanely good, the hops tasted like weed, i could taste the malted barley, like an entire field of wheat had entered my mouth. Pretty much anything you like normally, you will love. Usually, I just eat bread and juice on acid, I view it as a cleansing experience, and I don't want to contaminate it with meat or weird foods that could make me barf. This brings me to the next point, motion sickness. You can puke your guts out on LSD from a bumpy car ride, especially at night. It only happened once to me, but don't say I didn't warn you.
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Love this thread even if it has sucked up plenty of my time :D
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OEVs, aside from tracers/wiggles/lines/distortions, are not always seen by everyone. I always say that you haven't tripped until you've seen an OEV. This is an oversimplification, but you need to get deep enough into the experience to get them, it will not happen unless you can let go completely. It might, but it might not. Some people are probably incapable of having OEVs, such people will manifest the visions back into thoughts, and find themselves completely lost, and will think they are going crazy. The cross-over to the controlled-visual stage from the peak, is a turning point of sorts. If you have peaked hard enough, you will(or should) still get visions for another 6-8hr or longer.
Good read.
OK for OEVs aren't just tracers/wiggles/lines/distortions. So what does count as an OEV? Here are some of the open eye experiences I'd had and I'm curious:
1) fractals
2) Looking at a person and seeing them but also seeing them made up of ancient glyphs.
3) (on 2c-b) anything I look at rapidly starts to develop additional lines and textures and the complexity becomes so much within a few seconds that I have to look somewhere else at which point the process starts to repeat.
4) while looking at a still picture of somebody, seeing arms move or heads turn slightly
5) looking at artificial pictures of people and then suddenly the person looks real like a photograph
6) Seeing 3D
7) seeing stationary objects turn/rotate
I've never had open eye visuals (if these things even count) last longer than a few hours AFAIK although when the visuals hit hardest I'm so fucked up that I'm too overwhelmed to open my eyes and really look at anything. I think I have blackouts from some of these times because I won't remember anything from certain time periods of the trip.
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OK for OEVs aren't just tracers/wiggles/lines/distortions. So what does count as an OEV? Here are some of the open eye experiences I'd had and I'm curious:
6) Seeing 3D
Wow man, in that case I must be tripping all the time! :-P
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OK for OEVs aren't just tracers/wiggles/lines/distortions. So what does count as an OEV? Here are some of the open eye experiences I'd had and I'm curious:
6) Seeing 3D
Wow man, in that case I must be tripping all the time! :-P
lol, that's a good point.
GoodShitExplorer is correct. I played The Hobbit and realized I don't need a 3D TV and 3D glasses for 3D when I have LSD.
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Good read.
OK for OEVs aren't just tracers/wiggles/lines/distortions. So what does count as an OEV? Here are some of the open eye experiences I'd had and I'm curious:
1) fractals
2) Looking at a person and seeing them but also seeing them made up of ancient glyphs.
3) (on 2c-b) anything I look at rapidly starts to develop additional lines and textures and the complexity becomes so much within a few seconds that I have to look somewhere else at which point the process starts to repeat.
4) while looking at a still picture of somebody, seeing arms move or heads turn slightly
5) looking at artificial pictures of people and then suddenly the person looks real like a photograph
6) Seeing 3D
7) seeing stationary objects turn/rotate
I've never had open eye visuals (if these things even count) last longer than a few hours AFAIK although when the visuals hit hardest I'm so fucked up that I'm too overwhelmed to open my eyes and really look at anything. I think I have blackouts from some of these times because I won't remember anything from certain time periods of the trip.
I've had the following:
1. static holes- a wall appears to have ripped open with B&W static, cartoon-like face.
2. misrepresentations, especially with patterns becoming organic things like eyes, ears, skin.
3. drawings made of primary opposite colors(green&gold, red&blue), spawned from tracers.
4. Blob-like cartoon fill-ins, cartoon-y color splatches, often turning into misrepresentations.
5. Long-distance mirages, where things in the far distance appear to be spaceships, galaxies,
6. I've seen the 3-D thing, definite sinking/rising along with dissolving/bifurcating objects.
7. I call this one 'the zipper'- vision becomes split into two converging lines for each eye, only seen with high-dose trippinng.
8. Vertigo- looking up at sky and stars appearing up or down, sense of floating in space.
(not really a visual, but affects visual field and perception)
9. diamond swarms- in-between OEVs and CEVs, swarms tend to appear in trees or the sky. Lucy in the sky with diamonds =)
10. full-blown phantasms. These are otherworldly entities which appear to you and telepathically communicate, if you can hallucinate a full being, you are at the edge. Often they 'blink out' or are difficult to focus on, but it's happened. I saw a woman made of vines, bark, branches, etc. in a small wooded clearing in the moonlight.
I'm sure there's more, but this is going well. Should we classify auditory hallucinations next?
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Good read.
OK for OEVs aren't just tracers/wiggles/lines/distortions. So what does count as an OEV? Here are some of the open eye experiences I'd had and I'm curious:
1) fractals
2) Looking at a person and seeing them but also seeing them made up of ancient glyphs.
3) (on 2c-b) anything I look at rapidly starts to develop additional lines and textures and the complexity becomes so much within a few seconds that I have to look somewhere else at which point the process starts to repeat.
4) while looking at a still picture of somebody, seeing arms move or heads turn slightly
5) looking at artificial pictures of people and then suddenly the person looks real like a photograph
6) Seeing 3D
7) seeing stationary objects turn/rotate
I've never had open eye visuals (if these things even count) last longer than a few hours AFAIK although when the visuals hit hardest I'm so fucked up that I'm too overwhelmed to open my eyes and really look at anything. I think I have blackouts from some of these times because I won't remember anything from certain time periods of the trip.
I've had the following:
1. static holes- a wall appears to have ripped open with B&W static, cartoon-like face.
2. misrepresentations, especially with patterns becoming organic things like eyes, ears, skin.
3. drawings made of primary opposite colors(green&gold, red&blue), spawned from tracers.
4. Blob-like cartoon fill-ins, cartoon-y color splatches, often turning into misrepresentations.
5. Long-distance mirages, where things in the far distance appear to be spaceships, galaxies,
6. I've seen the 3-D thing, definite sinking/rising along with dissolving/bifurcating objects.
7. I call this one 'the zipper'- vision becomes split into two converging lines for each eye, only seen with high-dose trippinng.
8. Vertigo- looking up at sky and stars appearing up or down, sense of floating in space.
(not really a visual, but affects visual field and perception)
9. diamond swarms- in-between OEVs and CEVs, swarms tend to appear in trees or the sky. Lucy in the sky with diamonds =)
10. full-blown phantasms. These are otherworldly entities which appear to you and telepathically communicate, if you can hallucinate a full being, you are at the edge. Often they 'blink out' or are difficult to focus on, but it's happened. I saw a woman made of vines, bark, branches, etc. in a small wooded clearing in the moonlight.
I'm sure there's more, but this is going well. Should we classify auditory hallucinations next?
For me, the clarity of the OEV has to do with dosage.
On a lower dose, all that will come is tracers, some breathing, and some distortions.
On a medium dose (300ug-550ug) I will get swirls of color in my vision that breathes very much, kind of like a rainbow liquid.
After about 600ug, fractals begin to develop much more and I can mentally break down my field of vision. It's like everything I see is a mosaic of tiny pieces that are back-lit and some sparkle while others are dark. They are usually geometric and uniformly shifting. At this point I often see a "psychedelic fence" that I have so named. It is transparent multi-color shifting chainlink that wraps over what I can see. It happens very often.
On a very large dose (900ug+) these fractals begin to put themselves together in the form of other objects. This is not instantaneous, but when I take my time and let myself go into them, they will turn into different objects, varying from hieroglyphics/symbols, to spiral staircases with people running up, to just works of art. It's not like it's tangible, it's like a colorful, transparent projection my mind is putting on.
I can agree with everything you guys are saying, except really the 3d thing. 2d frames definitely get more lifelike, and I get sucked into movies more, but it's not really 3d. However, a few times when I have smoked DMT pictures and posters that I have seen have been totally 3d, with them stepping out of their picture and moving around. But no other chemicals have allowed me to see anything remotely like that in much experience.
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For me, the clarity of the OEV has to do with dosage.
On a lower dose, all that will come is tracers, some breathing, and some distortions.
On a medium dose (300ug-550ug) I will get swirls of color in my vision that breathes very much, kind of like a rainbow liquid.
After about 600ug, fractals begin to develop much more and I can mentally break down my field of vision. It's like everything I see is a mosaic of tiny pieces that are back-lit and some sparkle while others are dark. They are usually geometric and uniformly shifting. At this point I often see a "psychedelic fence" that I have so named. It is transparent multi-color shifting chainlink that wraps over what I can see. It happens very often.
On a very large dose (900ug+) these fractals begin to put themselves together in the form of other objects. This is not instantaneous, but when I take my time and let myself go into them, they will turn into different objects, varying from hieroglyphics/symbols, to spiral staircases with people running up, to just works of art. It's not like it's tangible, it's like a colorful, transparent projection my mind is putting on.
I can agree with everything you guys are saying, except really the 3d thing. 2d frames definitely get more lifelike, and I get sucked into movies more, but it's not really 3d. However, a few times when I have smoked DMT pictures and posters that I have seen have been totally 3d, with them stepping out of their picture and moving around. But no other chemicals have allowed me to see anything remotely like that in much experience.
I'm a bit disappointed at how much LSD you're having to use for some of those effects. I'm also really surprised you haven't had 2D objects become massively 3D. There is so much artwork on youtube that is designed to become 3D for people that are tripping. Objects will pop out, their reflectivity will vary and they'll turn from side to side.
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I'd love to pose two questions for all you lucy, sid, lsd lovers out there:
How many people on here have taken doses ranging in the mg section? I have had two experiences on lsd where I have reached that zone. On the first trip I ingested 6 tabs and a 7 grams of dried shrooms (p.cubensis i believe). The other time was with gandalfs (green/ olive) where i dosed 1350 or so. Both trips brought about a level of mysticism that has made me ponder my (agnostic) belief system.
The other: Has anyone here felt mysticism on doses of lsd?
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I'm curious to hear more about your meaning/experience of mysticism. Back with 3Jane's LSD and with low doses (or maybe the sheets were uneven so I got high doses) my mind was fucked (I also used MDMA) and in my head I felt that I could overcome the universe if only I could fully realize the truth, as if we're all oblivious to the truth or supreme power that exists. I was also overwhelmed with the possibilities of infinity. I'm guessing your experience was different though. It is hard to explain these mindfucks anyway. :)
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''full-blown phantasms'' my sweet spot ;D
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I'm curious to hear more about your meaning/experience of mysticism. Back with 3Jane's LSD and with low doses (or maybe the sheets were uneven so I got high doses) my mind was fucked (I also used MDMA) and in my head I felt that I could overcome the universe if only I could fully realize the truth, as if we're all oblivious to the truth or supreme power that exists. I was also overwhelmed with the possibilities of infinity. I'm guessing your experience was different though. It is hard to explain these mindfucks anyway. :)
I'd love to pose two questions for all you lucy, sid, lsd lovers out there:
How many people on here have taken doses ranging in the mg section? I have had two experiences on lsd where I have reached that zone. On the first trip I ingested 6 tabs and a 7 grams of dried shrooms (p.cubenis i believe). The other time was with gandalfs (green/ olive) where i dosed 1350 or so. Both trips brought about a level of mysticism that has made me ponder my (agnostic) belief system.
The other: Has anyone here felt mysticism on doses of lsd?
I have taken 1mg once. But let me ask you few questions about your experience if you don't mind sharing your thoughts.
1. What belief system you are talking about and what is it about?
2. How your LSD experienced has effected that belief system?
3. What do you mean by mysticism and what was your experience like of it?
Curiously,
GSE
I'll gladly answer those questions.
1. I was not born into a religious household. I honestly did not know much about world religions until I started reading about them when I was 12, and because of this I based my knowledge in sciences and evidence. I did not believe there was a god, creator, supreme being etc.
2&3. The experience on the combination of LSD and P.Cubensis shrooms seriously short circuited me. I had no idea that the tabs I was taking were 2 or 3 times as strong as the tabs I had been taking from my source. I was usually dealing with 50-70 ug hits but later found out after taking one 6 months later that they were somewhere in the 140-170 range. (This was based on 40 or 50 trips I had under my belt at the time). As for the experience itself I felt the effects in 15 minutes. I literally felt an urge to go to the restroom and relieve all bodily functions because I felt as if I was going to die. As I returned to the bedroom i laid down listening to music and thats when I was sent into a dark space. This all happened 1.2 hours into the trip. I had just started feeling the mushrooms make its way into the blood stream and the ascent to the peak of the lsd trip was coming. I slipped into complete darkness and felt my self floating. I was no longer in my body and my mind was telling me to let go, I had died why was I clinging just enjoy the ride to the other side. The minute I let go I felt the warmest purest form of love I had ever felt. I wasn't present anywhere but felt that I was everywhere at the exact same time. I felt as if I was basking in the glory of something that provided unconditional love (The universe, God, Allah, Jesus, universal consciousness etc). On my way down from the trip (which lasted nearly 16 hours) I did not regain any real control of bodily movements until 7 hours into the trip and the shrooms had worn off. I did not know my name, did not understand where I was, who I was, or what I was. I sat on the floor of my bedroom and meditated for several hours. Surely after a few bowls of cannabis I started to remember my name, the people around me and the names of objects and the knowledge I had felt I lost.
Since that day I have been spreading love and harmony. I understand that I have emotions and that I react to situations, but it felt as if the past had been wiped clean. I called everyone I ever felt I wronged and apologized and told them what I really felt about them: "Everyone has the ability and capacity to do either whatever it is they choose and that is one's choice. I was just glad for the seconds that they were in my life and I hoped for success and happiness in each of their lives. I was sorry for anything that ever hurt them or offended them." Its been 3 years since that experience and to this day roughly once in 2 or 3 months I will send them messages telling them that they're still dear to me.
It was the highest form of ego death. I couldn't even hold on really after the 1 hour mark it was useless to hold on. I understood that the trip was all created by my consciousness but it really made me wonder whether or not there was a supreme being out there. That trip really felt like it put me at its feet. I guess it made me believe there is a creator just not one assigned to a religion. The experience to this day still makes me smile with curiosity as to what part of this 'other' reality is real.
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Wow, makes me wonder what would have happened if somebody injected 200mg of ketamine into your system right when you were letting go of your ego. But I'm off topic, that's just a curiosity.
I haven't used nearly the amount you've used but I have had a couple of experiences that brought me into the direction that you went. I can't wait to go further in sometime in the future. Thanks for sharing. I hear people say things like "I had ego death" but I find descriptions like yours must more accurate and inspiring.
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Wow, makes me wonder what would have happened if somebody injected 200mg of ketamine into your system right when you were letting go of your ego. But I'm off topic, that's just a curiosity.
I haven't used nearly the amount you've used but I have had a couple of experiences that brought me into the direction that you went. I can't wait to go further in sometime in the future. Thanks for sharing. I hear people say things like "I had ego death" but I find descriptions like yours must more accurate and inspiring.
Thank you slirp. Its honestly hard to describe the hallucinations that I was being shown. One of them felt as if I was staring at my body watching it die until my bones eroded. Then as I fell farther back I was looking at the universe as a whole. It felt as if it were going at in accelerated rate. Eventually the sun died out and everything went dark.
I must say that psychedelics are an interesting drug. I've had the pleasure of enjoying psychedelics quite a lot. I'm grateful to still feel in one piece after these doses, but it is not to say I won't be roaming around the 500/600 ug doses when Jackie's wow comes in for the 4th of July ;).
Happy and safe tripping to all!
WIB
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IF I had to say there is an upper boundary that I've taken, 1200mcg is probably that. At 1200, I could barely function, was pretty much a 5yo(if that) kid again. My friends made up really simple games, and I would get lost, fell for silly tricks they played. I must admit that I did not see any real hardcore gnarly visuals that I remember, I was with this friend of mine, and he was on 400ug, good mates for 5yr at this point, in a familiar place where we didn't want/need to leave, so I almost think I wasn't 'primed' enough to have a full 3D hallucination, but I definitely remember seeing fractal textured patterns, many eyes on people, faces morphing out, and temporary loss of eye coordination(zipper effect.) If I had been in a darker setting, looking at more questionable things(nondescript, just weird like driftwood or clouds) I could have had more visual stuff happen, instead I was indoors(safety first) and listening to music, so it was mostly audio stuff, chanting from my friend mumbling to himself, voices and weird squeaky balloon noises along with charlie brown's wah wah teacher. I've been thinking about 'priming' and setting oneself up for a more intense experience, depending on when/where you take it, set and setting, all the way. Even though it was a 'surprise' trip, it wasn't my first high-dose 'surprise' trip, so I knew what I was getting into. I dosed around 7pm, was still hearing/seeing/feeling stuff 14-18hr later, which I think is par for 1000-1500mcg dose, so I am estimating low-ball at 1200, because what I took was 3 100s(?) that were cut x4 too big. I swear the guy just took scissors and did it on purpose to get people as spun as possible. I wish I still knew that guy.
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Some very interesting chatter happening here, keep up the excellence every one 8)
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@wordisbond - My sincere thanks to you for taking the time to share your experience.
I do not know if there is any supreme being out there or not. I think as a human being it's our prime responsibility to know who we are as "Individual" and the process of discovering this "Self" could be quite enlightening and fun. I think our whole human civilization is at its infancy in this quest. Discovering the supreme being would come much later.
This is where the second experience of mine comes into play. After dosing 9x150ug (green/olive gandalfs) it hit me that I was first to discover myself. I cried tears of joy as I remembered who I was and what made me smile and laugh. This allowed me to wholeheartedly try to love the human race as best as I can.
Now may I ask you one other question: Have you ever dosed with people you have known for 10+ years? I dosed with some close friends from kindergarten twice and both times the power of non-verbal communication was so much more powerful than anything I have ever encountered. It was seriously as if our eyes could communicate better than words could communicate. Truly a fun experience to have.
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Intentions are powerful and our human civilization is starting to know that.
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Just found it online. Grabbed some fruits and water now its time to sit back and enjoy this. Thanks for the suggestion see you guys in about two hours.
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IF I had to say there is an upper boundary that I've taken, 1200mcg is probably that. At 1200, I could barely function, was pretty much a 5yo(if that) kid again. My friends made up really simple games, and I would get lost, fell for silly tricks they played. I must admit that I did not see any real hardcore gnarly visuals that I remember, I was with this friend of mine, and he was on 400ug, good mates for 5yr at this point, in a familiar place where we didn't want/need to leave, so I almost think I wasn't 'primed' enough to have a full 3D hallucination, but I definitely remember seeing fractal textured patterns, many eyes on people, faces morphing out, and temporary loss of eye coordination(zipper effect.) If I had been in a darker setting, looking at more questionable things(nondescript, just weird like driftwood or clouds) I could have had more visual stuff happen, instead I was indoors(safety first) and listening to music, so it was mostly audio stuff, chanting from my friend mumbling to himself, voices and weird squeaky balloon noises along with charlie brown's wah wah teacher. I've been thinking about 'priming' and setting oneself up for a more intense experience, depending on when/where you take it, set and setting, all the way. Even though it was a 'surprise' trip, it wasn't my first high-dose 'surprise' trip, so I knew what I was getting into. I dosed around 7pm, was still hearing/seeing/feeling stuff 14-18hr later, which I think is par for 1000-1500mcg dose, so I am estimating low-ball at 1200, because what I took was 3 100s(?) that were cut x4 too big. I swear the guy just took scissors and did it on purpose to get people as spun as possible. I wish I still knew that guy.
There are only 3 factors; they are below according to their priority, IMHO.
1. Set
2. Setting
3. Dosage
Intentions are powerful and our human civilization is starting to know that.
This is totally true, but I feel that "set" really deserves it's own category because it encompasses so many different variables that can effect the experience, whereas the other two are fairly straightforward.
@wordisbond - My sincere thanks to you for taking the time to share your experience.
I do not know if there is any supreme being out there or not. I think as a human being it's our prime responsibility to know who we are as "Individual" and the process of discovering this "Self" could be quite enlightening and fun. I think our whole human civilization is at its infancy in this quest. Discovering the supreme being would come much later.
This is where the second experience of mine comes into play. After dosing 9x150ug (green/olive gandalfs) it hit me that I was first to discover myself. I cried tears of joy as I remembered who I was and what made me smile and laugh. This allowed me to wholeheartedly try to love the human race as best as I can.
Now may I ask you one other question: Have you ever dosed with people you have known for 10+ years? I dosed with some close friends from kindergarten twice and both times the power of non-verbal communication was so much more powerful than anything I have ever encountered. It was seriously as if our eyes could communicate better than words could communicate. Truly a fun experience to have.
I totally know what you mean. It doesn't take that long to get to be able to communicate that well, just a few months ago I was tripping with a friend I have known very well for about 5 years and we were both on rather high doses and I was trying to say something (can't remember what) and I couldn't articulate it at all. He just blurted out, "shut up man, I know exactly what your trying to say." It was very true and made me laugh really hard. Just one example of countless.
I do find that when tripping with my brother, we just don't even need to speak usually, but sometimes we'll reminisce on our childhood while tripping and it will all flood back to us. It is a truly beautiful thing when it happens.
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Wow, makes me wonder what would have happened if somebody injected 200mg of ketamine into your system right when you were letting go of your ego. But I'm off topic, that's just a curiosity.
I haven't used nearly the amount you've used but I have had a couple of experiences that brought me into the direction that you went. I can't wait to go further in sometime in the future. Thanks for sharing. I hear people say things like "I had ego death" but I find descriptions like yours must more accurate and inspiring.
Thank you slirp. Its honestly hard to describe the hallucinations that I was being shown. One of them felt as if I was staring at my body watching it die until my bones eroded. Then as I fell farther back I was looking at the universe as a whole. It felt as if it were going at in accelerated rate. Eventually the sun died out and everything went dark.
I must say that psychedelics are an interesting drug. I've had the pleasure of enjoying psychedelics quite a lot. I'm grateful to still feel in one piece after these doses, but it is not to say I won't be roaming around the 500/600 ug doses when Jackie's wow comes in for the 4th of July ;).
Happy and safe tripping to all!
WIB
That's incredible.
In the avengers thread there was today a discussion about ego loss alone or with other people. I suppose it doesn't matter if you're technically with people or not. When you go through things like what you've described you're all alone (minus the you) and as far as you're concerned.....you're dead.
Certainly a humbling yet enlightening thing.
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Interesting developments here, indeed. Enjoyable read.
From my experience the most impactful and almost seminal trips are actually on high doses.
I feel that Terence McKenna was right when he said that one needs to take high doses rarely rather than trip frequently.
I have never been done mg+ of LSD, but got to 700ug + 500mg of ketamine insufflated, which ended up being my most "mystical" experience. I bet everyone here has such a crown jewel in their collection of life experiences.
To say that I have gone thru ego death is not to say a thing - my time was suspended and I continued dying for an eternity until that-what-perceived-me then got bored with being a subject of experience and moved to play both roles - object and subject - creator and experiencer. That trip made me believe that there is no higher deity that is separate from us - we are it and it is us, there is no separation of anything from anything and all the existence is one continuous flow of energy. There is no death and birth in a sense of end and beginning, but simple perpetual energy transformation. Despite trying on a couple of occasions I was never able again to enter a state where a dichotomy of observer and observed was so broken and yet working so well, but I do continue seeking it.
On a rational front my recent experiences and immense amount of research have led to an ineteresting series of thoughts:
- since psychedelics change our "reality" perception by binding themselves to serotonin and dopamine receptors one can conclude that we are all biorobots tripping non-stop on serotonin and dopamine
- when it comes to "reality" what we have is a consensus view of serotonin-dopamine induced trips
- the consensus view requires communication and we are seriously struggling to verbalise our experiences at the best of times and here we are constantly high!
What could happen to our reality if, say a slight modification to atmosphere or water was to occur and serotonin was to be ever so slightly modified? would we be talking about objective realities and truths if we were to realise that someone has just switched a channel that we all are watching? ;-)
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To say that I have gone thru ego death is not to say a thing - my time was suspended and I continued dying for an eternity until that-what-perceived-me then got bored with being a subject of experience and moved to play both roles - object and subject - creator and experiencer. That trip made me believe that there is no higher deity that is separate from us - we are it and it is us, there is no separation of anything from anything and all the existence is one continuous flow of energy. There is no death and birth in a sense of end and beginning, but simple perpetual energy transformation. Despite trying on a couple of occasions I was never able again to enter a state where a dichotomy of observer and observed was so broken and yet working so well, but I do continue seeking it.
A DMT breakthrough peaking on only about 180-200ug of LSD brought me to a very similar place. Mine was much more focused on the "no higher deity that is separate from us" part you mentioned. I felt as though I experienced the birth and death of the universe, the infinity between, and projected into the intricacies of dozens of disciplines, delving deeper and deeper realizing the (seemingly) literal endless knowledge that we are amassing. And whether or not humans ever stumble upon any of that knowledge, the realization that it exists and is just waiting to be understood is baffling.
In the avengers thread there was today a discussion about ego loss alone or with other people. I suppose it doesn't matter if you're technically with people or not. When you go through things like what you've described you're all alone (minus the you) and as far as you're concerned.....you're dead.
Certainly a humbling yet enlightening thing.
I've also felt myself on the precipice of ego loss, experienced at first as increasingly intricate CEV, then moving toward an out of body experience, on only 2 hits of JoR's lotus tabs from his very first listings (samples actually). It was one of my few solo trips which I feel is much more conducive of coming away from a trip with something "tangible." Yes, if you take enough, it won't matter where you are or who you're with. But the focus and meditation I can give to my mind in private greatly exceeds that which can be achieved in public/with others.
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To say that I have gone thru ego death is not to say a thing - my time was suspended and I continued dying for an eternity until that-what-perceived-me then got bored with being a subject of experience and moved to play both roles - object and subject - creator and experiencer. That trip made me believe that there is no higher deity that is separate from us - we are it and it is us, there is no separation of anything from anything and all the existence is one continuous flow of energy. There is no death and birth in a sense of end and beginning, but simple perpetual energy transformation. Despite trying on a couple of occasions I was never able again to enter a state where a dichotomy of observer and observed was so broken and yet working so well, but I do continue seeking it.
A DMT breakthrough peaking on only about 180-200ug of LSD brought me to a very similar place. Mine was much more focused on the "no higher deity that is separate from us" part you mentioned. I felt as though I experienced the birth and death of the universe, the infinity between, and projected into the intricacies of dozens of disciplines, delving deeper and deeper realizing the (seemingly) literal endless knowledge that we are amassing. And whether or not humans ever stumble upon any of that knowledge, the realization that it exists and is just waiting to be understood is baffling.
In the avengers thread there was today a discussion about ego loss alone or with other people. I suppose it doesn't matter if you're technically with people or not. When you go through things like what you've described you're all alone (minus the you) and as far as you're concerned.....you're dead.
Certainly a humbling yet enlightening thing.
I've also felt myself on the precipice of ego loss, experienced at first as increasingly intricate CEV, then moving toward an out of body experience, on only 2 hits of JoR's lotus tabs from his very first listings (samples actually). It was one of my few solo trips which I feel is much more conducive of coming away from a trip with something "tangible." Yes, if you take enough, it won't matter where you are or who you're with. But the focus and meditation I can give to my mind in private greatly exceeds that which can be achieved in public/with others.
Going to get to 100 as soon as possible so I can start dishing out some karma. Bravo honestly. This is what I hope to find on my next trip. Possibly thinking about taking 4-6 of JackieChan's WOW. Has anyone dosed more than 3 of jackies wow? Haven't seen too many except from GSE who I believe took 6 of them 2 hours after eating.
Happy and safe tripping brothers
WIB
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@Iconoclastic
@Incogmagnito
@DMTisinME
@Slirp
@GoodShitExplorer
To all of you +1. Thank you for allowing me to share my experiences with you kind souls.
Happy and safe tripping to all!
WIB
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A DMT breakthrough peaking on only about 180-200ug of LSD brought me to a very similar place. Mine was much more focused on the "no higher deity that is separate from us" part you mentioned. I felt as though I experienced the birth and death of the universe, the infinity between, and projected into the intricacies of dozens of disciplines, delving deeper and deeper realizing the (seemingly) literal endless knowledge that we are amassing. And whether or not humans ever stumble upon any of that knowledge, the realization that it exists and is just waiting to be understood is baffling.
Now-now ... Playing with not yet discovered knowledge? If my next high dose trip turns into that I shall be coming back to complain, Iconoclastic :)
I've also felt myself on the precipice of ego loss, experienced at first as increasingly intricate CEV, then moving toward an out of body experience, on only 2 hits of JoR's lotus tabs from his very first listings (samples actually). It was one of my few solo trips which I feel is much more conducive of coming away from a trip with something "tangible." Yes, if you take enough, it won't matter where you are or who you're with. But the focus and meditation I can give to my mind in private greatly exceeds that which can be achieved in public/with others.
^ THIS ^ THIS ^ THIS
I know it is right, but I always worry about high dose trip without a sitter and then it all depends on my sitter and my interactions with her.
Learn to trip alone if you want to play with not yet discovered knowledge :)
To all of you +1. Thank you for allowing me to share my experiences with you kind souls.
@wordisbond, welcome to karmic club - fairly useless thing it is, but do not get caught in karmic games :)
right back at you!
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great thread guys! subbing to read later.
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glad to have you drop in @fantastiq 8)
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I love all of this love, sharing experiences and the such :) Beautiful to see.
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Dear fellow trippers:
I have the set and setting for my next trip (thanks in part to wise words from GSE in another thread) taken care of. I have started fasting last night and will be continuing through tomorrow until Jackie's wow comes in the mail. I'm looking to dose high-medium to low-hard. The only thing I need to know is relative strength of these tabs compared to Jersey Cow's green/olive and yellow bordered Gandalfs. I took 5 and had a relatively great experience. I'm thinking of possibly dropping anywhere from 5-7. I want to push the boundaries a bit before work and school come into play on Wednesday. Any feedback will be gratefully appreciated.
general rundown:
1. This will be a solo trip
2. I will be tripping at home as it has been 100 and a beautiful hike sounds perfect toward the tail end.
3. Allan Watts lectures, Sounds of nature, and a few Pink Floyd and Grateful Dead albums synced on computer and phone.
Thank for the help!
Happy and safe tripping to all!
WiB
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Dear fellow trippers:
I have the set and setting for my next trip (thanks in part to wise words from GSE in another thread) taken care of. I have started fasting last night and will be continuing through tomorrow until Jackie's wow comes in the mail. I'm looking to dose high-medium to low-hard. The only thing I need to know is relative strength of these tabs compared to Jersey Cow's green/olive and yellow bordered Gandalfs. I took 5 and had a relatively great experience. I'm thinking of possibly dropping anywhere from 5-7. I want to push the boundaries a bit before work and school come into play on Wednesday. Any feedback will be gratefully appreciated.
general rundown:
1. This will be a solo trip
2. I will be tripping at home as it has been 100 and a beautiful hike sounds perfect toward the tail end.
3. Allan Watts lectures, Sounds of nature, and a few Pink Floyd and Grateful Dead albums synced on computer and phone.
Thank for the help!
Happy and safe tripping to all!
WiB
Disable your phone, try to get a friend to be nearby, have a couple of benzos handy (but DO NOT use unless you have no stamina to continue at all) ... And remember that you can not get poisoned or overdosed on LSD, so no matter what your mind will try to tell you just go thru with it. if it turns bad it is actually good - you are working thru some layers of your ego that might or might not be useful!
Hope to hear more on your return!!!
Safe journey!
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so no matter what your mind will try to tell you just go thru with it. if it turns bad it is actually good - you are working thru some layers of your ego that might or might not be useful!
Very very important moment ! You dont need that load in your life in general, explore your ego, observe and get rid of all the trash 8)
+1 for incogmagnito
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just back from a 5 strip and life is golden gentlemen(ladies). hold on while you can because this elusive mistress isn't here for good.
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just back from a 5 strip and life is golden gentlemen(ladies). hold on while you can because this elusive mistress isn't here for good.
sounds like a shout on comedown :) care to elaborate?
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just back from a 5 strip and life is golden gentlemen(ladies). hold on while you can because this elusive mistress isn't here for good.
Oh dang, were you alone? I have only tripped once, and it wasn't very hard - but I've read different things about having someone there, I am a really lone person as it is and I really enjoy doing almost every other DOC alone.. I plan on getting me some blotters and tripping soon. Were they 150ug each, do you remember?
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I've never used shrooms but would like to get my feet wet but also don't want to waste my opportunity to do drugs with just a light dose of shrooms. Anyone see the harm in adding a small dose of shrooms to an LSD trip? The idea is to test my reaction to the shrooms (eg upset stomach) and maybe get more fucked up (which I like).
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just back from a 5 strip and life is golden gentlemen(ladies). hold on while you can because this elusive mistress isn't here for good.
sounds like a shout on comedown :) care to elaborate?
it was an experience. I had the most intense visuals for the first 2 hours. Allowed myself to listen to Allan Watts after that point and slowly dived into my personality. I've come to the point where I need to start taking chances and this last trip allowed me to see that in almost every way imaginable. From my roommates talking about graduate school to the questions I asked myself and sat there pondering.
Oh dang, were you alone? I have only tripped once, and it wasn't very hard - but I've read different things about having someone there, I am a really lone person as it is and I really enjoy doing almost every other DOC alone.. I plan on getting me some blotters and tripping soon. Were they 150ug each, do you remember?
Yeah for the most part I was alone. No they were not. 150ug I ingested 5 ~90-110ug hits. Not too sure of the dosage but with the set and setting I setup for myself it felt more like the 700-800ug range. If you are going to trip alone (harder dosage) just make sure you keep the fact that it is LSD and the effects will eventually wear off.
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To say that I have gone thru ego death is not to say a thing - my time was suspended and I continued dying for an eternity until that-what-perceived-me then got bored with being a subject of experience and moved to play both roles - object and subject - creator and experiencer. That trip made me believe that there is no higher deity that is separate from us - we are it and it is us, there is no separation of anything from anything and all the existence is one continuous flow of energy. There is no death and birth in a sense of end and beginning, but simple perpetual energy transformation. Despite trying on a couple of occasions I was never able again to enter a state where a dichotomy of observer and observed was so broken and yet working so well, but I do continue seeking it.
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Hi Incogmagnito,
The 'subject-object/non dualism' topic is keeping me busy a lot lately (since an experience similar to yours), have been gathering a lot of info on this topic, and would like to point you to a couple of sources of information I think you will find interesting.
- Mooji; A guru who teaches self realization through self-inquiry. Has a lot of video's on YouTube, also audiofiles can be found on piratebay.
- I AM THAT, by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj; book on self recognition and non dualism.
- The Transparency of Things, by Rupert Spira; a book in which awareness and the reality of experience is researched.
Hope you will enjoy :)
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To say that I have gone thru ego death is not to say a thing - my time was suspended and I continued dying for an eternity until that-what-perceived-me then got bored with being a subject of experience and moved to play both roles - object and subject - creator and experiencer. That trip made me believe that there is no higher deity that is separate from us - we are it and it is us, there is no separation of anything from anything and all the existence is one continuous flow of energy. There is no death and birth in a sense of end and beginning, but simple perpetual energy transformation. Despite trying on a couple of occasions I was never able again to enter a state where a dichotomy of observer and observed was so broken and yet working so well, but I do continue seeking it.
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Hi Incogmagnito,
The 'subject-object/non dualism' topic is keeping me busy a lot lately (since an experience similar to yours), have been gathering a lot of info on this topic, and would like to point you to a couple of sources of information I think you will find interesting.
- Mooji; A guru who teaches self realization through self-inquiry. Has a lot of video's on YouTube, also audiofiles can be found on piratebay.
- I AM THAT, by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj; book on self recognition and non dualism.
- The Transparency of Things, by Rupert Spira; a book in which awareness and the reality of experience is researched.
Hope you will enjoy :)
Thank you, +1.
I shall dig into this as topic is close to my heart.
Have you read "Wholeness and Implicate Order" by David Bohm and "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Copra?
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To say that I have gone thru ego death is not to say a thing - my time was suspended and I continued dying for an eternity until that-what-perceived-me then got bored with being a subject of experience and moved to play both roles - object and subject - creator and experiencer. That trip made me believe that there is no higher deity that is separate from us - we are it and it is us, there is no separation of anything from anything and all the existence is one continuous flow of energy. There is no death and birth in a sense of end and beginning, but simple perpetual energy transformation. Despite trying on a couple of occasions I was never able again to enter a state where a dichotomy of observer and observed was so broken and yet working so well, but I do continue seeking it.
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Hi Incogmagnito,
The 'subject-object/non dualism' topic is keeping me busy a lot lately (since an experience similar to yours), have been gathering a lot of info on this topic, and would like to point you to a couple of sources of information I think you will find interesting.
- Mooji; A guru who teaches self realization through self-inquiry. Has a lot of video's on YouTube, also audiofiles can be found on piratebay.
- I AM THAT, by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj; book on self recognition and non dualism.
- The Transparency of Things, by Rupert Spira; a book in which awareness and the reality of experience is researched.
Hope you will enjoy :)
Thank you, +1.
I shall dig into this as topic is close to my heart.
Have you read "Wholeness and Implicate Order" by David Bohm and "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Copra?
I'm not familiar with those books or authors. Just looked them up, both look pretty interesting, especially David Bohm's book :) Thanks for the tip!
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I've never used shrooms but would like to get my feet wet but also don't want to waste my opportunity to do drugs with just a light dose of shrooms. Anyone see the harm in adding a small dose of shrooms to an LSD trip? The idea is to test my reaction to the shrooms (eg upset stomach) and maybe get more fucked up (which I like).
well it depends How much acid and how many shrooms?
Shroom will take about the same time to hit as acid in most cases.. so you don't want to do them both at the same time...The last lime i did shrooms I did two hits of 3jane and about 4 hours later in i ate about 6 grams of shrooms...that was an amazing trip and i made a mental note to myself not to do that again. ;D..I think an 1/8 would be plenty......But also depends on the shrooms.
So if you have shrooms take a gram or 3 and see how it goes first.. than you can gauge how intense they will be for you...
Shrooms add a very liquid earthy trip and i really like how they complement the acid, but let the acid take hold and enjoy that trip and than pop a few grams of shrooms and hang on.... :)
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Weeks ago I made two batches of tea from 11 grams of p. galindoi which I split with someone else. The first few hours was fine but after that I was nauseated and spent a lot of time on the toilet. The duration was way to short. I think I'll stick with 2Cs and LSD from now on. If I'm going to use a triptamine then I'll stick with a pure chemical... I've got 5-meo-mipt right now.
Maybe I wouldn't get nauseated if I didn't eat anything for many hours before the trip but I've gotta eat.
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I regret we don't get more traction in this thread.
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Yea, same here slirp. People are people, and we do lose track of things we plan to do. Ive been meaning to get some write ups in here lately, but i just have been swamped with nonsense in daily life. Hopefully with some effort, I, we, can revive the thread ;) Thanks for being here dude. Much love.
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Maybe renaming the thread to something simple like "LSD experiences/reviews thread" would help? Heck I'm tempted to make a thread in the newbie forum. I probably won't though.
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Has anyone ever meditated on LSD before?
Yearrs ago I had taken a break from LSD for almost a year to experiment with mushrooms. One night, to break this tolerance I decided to eat some hits with my good friends when I had gotten off of my night shift. I acquired some Rolling Stones blotters locally that had built up quite a reputation, at this point (and still really) most of the good LSD was White on White fluff.
At one point in the night after having eaten two hits, I needed to go off on my own for a minute, something I usually do whilst peaking on LSD. I went to his room and sat on the floor and tried to meditate, which really was one of the first times I'd ever seriously tried meditating. I knew some simple breathing techniques just from some psychology books I've read.
The experience was one of the most intensely psychedelic things I've gone through on LSD. It was quite similar to breaking through on DMT.
I closed my eyes and surrendered to the darkness and focused on my breathing, feeling my lungs expand and release. All of a sudden there was a strange ringing (again something that usually happens to me on DMT) and I could no longer here my friends watching t.v. in the other room, as I was in another realm, what felt like some strange purgatory. As I began to feel myself melting and dissolving I also felt what I can only describe as more arms grew out of my shoulder. It was almost as if I felt like my own Hindu god achieving nirvana.
It was intense, felt very transcendental and spiritual. Shit I think I was only like 16-17 at the time.
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Has anyone ever meditated on LSD before?
Yearrs ago I had taken a break from LSD for almost a year to experiment with mushrooms. One night, to break this tolerance I decided to eat some hits with my good friends when I had gotten off of my night shift. I acquired some Rolling Stones blotters locally that had built up quite a reputation, at this point (and still really) most of the good LSD was White on White fluff.
At one point in the night after having eaten two hits, I needed to go off on my own for a minute, something I usually do whilst peaking on LSD. I went to his room and sat on the floor and tried to meditate, which really was one of the first times I'd ever seriously tried meditating. I knew some simple breathing techniques just from some psychology books I've read.
The experience was one of the most intensely psychedelic things I've gone through on LSD. It was quite similar to breaking through on DMT.
I closed my eyes and surrendered to the darkness and focused on my breathing, feeling my lungs expand and release. All of a sudden there was a strange ringing (again something that usually happens to me on DMT) and I could no longer here my friends watching t.v. in the other room, as I was in another realm, what felt like some strange purgatory. As I began to feel myself melting and dissolving I also felt what I can only describe as more arms grew out of my shoulder. It was almost as if I felt like my own Hindu god achieving nirvana.
It was intense, felt very transcendental and spiritual. Shit I think I was only like 16-17 at the time.
For more info on meditation & psychedelics,
just check the link you'll find in my signature...
you're welcome to post your experience in that thread also!
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Has anyone ever meditated on LSD before?
Yearrs ago I had taken a break from LSD for almost a year to experiment with mushrooms. One night, to break this tolerance I decided to eat some hits with my good friends when I had gotten off of my night shift. I acquired some Rolling Stones blotters locally that had built up quite a reputation, at this point (and still really) most of the good LSD was White on White fluff.
At one point in the night after having eaten two hits, I needed to go off on my own for a minute, something I usually do whilst peaking on LSD. I went to his room and sat on the floor and tried to meditate, which really was one of the first times I'd ever seriously tried meditating. I knew some simple breathing techniques just from some psychology books I've read.
The experience was one of the most intensely psychedelic things I've gone through on LSD. It was quite similar to breaking through on DMT.
I closed my eyes and surrendered to the darkness and focused on my breathing, feeling my lungs expand and release. All of a sudden there was a strange ringing (again something that usually happens to me on DMT) and I could no longer here my friends watching t.v. in the other room, as I was in another realm, what felt like some strange purgatory. As I began to feel myself melting and dissolving I also felt what I can only describe as more arms grew out of my shoulder. It was almost as if I felt like my own Hindu god achieving nirvana.
It was intense, felt very transcendental and spiritual. Shit I think I was only like 16-17 at the time.
Wow man, that sounds incredible. I have never meditated before, certainly not on L. I have given it some thought though. From the sounds of your experience i think im going to have to give it a whirl sooner than later. Much love.
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Has anyone ever meditated on LSD before?
Yearrs ago I had taken a break from LSD for almost a year to experiment with mushrooms. One night, to break this tolerance I decided to eat some hits with my good friends when I had gotten off of my night shift. I acquired some Rolling Stones blotters locally that had built up quite a reputation, at this point (and still really) most of the good LSD was White on White fluff.
At one point in the night after having eaten two hits, I needed to go off on my own for a minute, something I usually do whilst peaking on LSD. I went to his room and sat on the floor and tried to meditate, which really was one of the first times I'd ever seriously tried meditating. I knew some simple breathing techniques just from some psychology books I've read.
The experience was one of the most intensely psychedelic things I've gone through on LSD. It was quite similar to breaking through on DMT.
I closed my eyes and surrendered to the darkness and focused on my breathing, feeling my lungs expand and release. All of a sudden there was a strange ringing (again something that usually happens to me on DMT) and I could no longer here my friends watching t.v. in the other room, as I was in another realm, what felt like some strange purgatory. As I began to feel myself melting and dissolving I also felt what I can only describe as more arms grew out of my shoulder. It was almost as if I felt like my own Hindu god achieving nirvana.
It was intense, felt very transcendental and spiritual. Shit I think I was only like 16-17 at the time.
For more info on meditation & psychedelics,
just check the link you'll find in my signature...
you're welcome to post your experience in that thread also!
Hey raf man, long time. How the hell are ya?
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wow hes alive! :o welcome back DB
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My entire life I've never understood how people can enjoy sitting silently while staying awake and that they'd rather do that than something else. But LSD has definitely made me reconsider.
With sensory deprivation one can get psychedelic effects. Maybe that's what those silent monks are doing up in the cold mountains of China.
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wow hes alive! :o welcome back DB
Hey man, yea im still around. Had some troubles lately. All is well now though.
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Has anyone ever meditated on LSD before?
Yearrs ago I had taken a break from LSD for almost a year to experiment with mushrooms. One night, to break this tolerance I decided to eat some hits with my good friends when I had gotten off of my night shift. I acquired some Rolling Stones blotters locally that had built up quite a reputation, at this point (and still really) most of the good LSD was White on White fluff.
At one point in the night after having eaten two hits, I needed to go off on my own for a minute, something I usually do whilst peaking on LSD. I went to his room and sat on the floor and tried to meditate, which really was one of the first times I'd ever seriously tried meditating. I knew some simple breathing techniques just from some psychology books I've read.
The experience was one of the most intensely psychedelic things I've gone through on LSD. It was quite similar to breaking through on DMT.
I closed my eyes and surrendered to the darkness and focused on my breathing, feeling my lungs expand and release. All of a sudden there was a strange ringing (again something that usually happens to me on DMT) and I could no longer here my friends watching t.v. in the other room, as I was in another realm, what felt like some strange purgatory. As I began to feel myself melting and dissolving I also felt what I can only describe as more arms grew out of my shoulder. It was almost as if I felt like my own Hindu god achieving nirvana.
It was intense, felt very transcendental and spiritual. Shit I think I was only like 16-17 at the time.
For more info on meditation & psychedelics,
just check the link you'll find in my signature...
you're welcome to post your experience in that thread also!
Hey raf man, long time. How the hell are ya?
Long time indeed... I was thinking exactly the same about you...glad to see that you're still alive & kicking!
Life's been good for me. Lots of fun this summer, but also lots to do.
Guess you've been in a similar situation?
Nice to see that you've found your way back to the forum... when you do have some time check the micro-dosing forum page; might give you some nice ideas!
Take care friend,
and may the L be with you!
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Has anyone ever meditated on LSD before?
Yearrs ago I had taken a break from LSD for almost a year to experiment with mushrooms. One night, to break this tolerance I decided to eat some hits with my good friends when I had gotten off of my night shift. I acquired some Rolling Stones blotters locally that had built up quite a reputation, at this point (and still really) most of the good LSD was White on White fluff.
At one point in the night after having eaten two hits, I needed to go off on my own for a minute, something I usually do whilst peaking on LSD. I went to his room and sat on the floor and tried to meditate, which really was one of the first times I'd ever seriously tried meditating. I knew some simple breathing techniques just from some psychology books I've read.
The experience was one of the most intensely psychedelic things I've gone through on LSD. It was quite similar to breaking through on DMT.
I closed my eyes and surrendered to the darkness and focused on my breathing, feeling my lungs expand and release. All of a sudden there was a strange ringing (again something that usually happens to me on DMT) and I could no longer here my friends watching t.v. in the other room, as I was in another realm, what felt like some strange purgatory. As I began to feel myself melting and dissolving I also felt what I can only describe as more arms grew out of my shoulder. It was almost as if I felt like my own Hindu god achieving nirvana.
It was intense, felt very transcendental and spiritual. Shit I think I was only like 16-17 at the time.
For more info on meditation & psychedelics,
just check the link you'll find in my signature...
you're welcome to post your experience in that thread also!
Hey raf man, long time. How the hell are ya?
Long time indeed... I was thinking exactly the same about you...glad to see that you're still alive & kicking!
Life's been good for me. Lots of fun this summer, but also lots to do.
Guess you've been in a similar situation?
Nice to see that you've found your way back to the forum... when you do have some time check the micro-dosing forum page; might give you some nice ideas!
Take care friend,
and may the L be with you!
Alive indeed, kicking..as always :) There was actually a death and i had to skip town for some time to get things in order. Back now, all is well. Glad to see your ok. I will most certainly drop in your thread when i have a minute. Much love rafster.
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Has anyone ever meditated on LSD before?
[...]It was intense, felt very transcendental and spiritual. Shit I think I was only like 16-17 at the time.
I've found meditation is almost the only way to deal with it sometimes!
Which now makes sense to me, because integration into the experience is essential to having a good one, and while meditation might magnify the head-trip, it smooths the transition, I'm sure as you know. I, too, go off on my own and deal with the stuff I need to for a bit, sometimes. This Rainbow family gal and her friend "the mad hatter" with a big dr. seuss hat got me into a warp trace thing my first time out, almost like a forced meditation, but a decent time out.
Later, a more experienced individual, when I would often eat much more than I really understood, and just take 4-5 and hope they were strong(they usually were.) One afternoon, I just sat under a tree in the park, like Buddah, watching this crazy stuff. Other times, I had to like down or sit on a chair/bed till I could get my bearings. Usually, if you are with other people, it goes by quickly, but if you are alone, or just completely consumed by your thoughts, the slow creeping of time and intensity will totally expand the peak to a level which I would correlate with a breakthrough DMT experience(which I have never had, but I've peaked HARD) being at a decent +++ on the shulgin scale, and hanging on for dear life! I was thinking of that today, how intense CEV/OEVs are impossible to ignore, like the scene in A Clockwork Orange, where they keep his eyelids open! ah, the memories...
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Good to see this thread revived and DB being back from his troubles. Hope it was nothing long-term damaging, DB!
I am not sure where to post this and this thread does seem to have the best group to ask :)
Say, if I wanted to have a psychedelic long weekend - 3 days of tripping ... In what order and what doses would I arrange my substances in to have maximum good time.
I have ideas for the first two:
Day 1: Pharmahuasca - moclobemide (15omg) + DMT fumerate or DMT phosphate (100 to 150mg) with an opportunity to top-up with smoked DMT freebase to make a complete (albeit temporary) departure into the hyperspace. While smoking while on MAOI is for an adventurous type just pharmahuasca is an amazing and great experience while being fully mobile and almost functional ;-)
Day 2: Since DMT does not really fry any receptors long-term and moclobemide is RIMA and gets out of the system very quickly one can do this regimen - LSD + 2CB + MDMA/MDA + GHB - doses vary depending on natural tolerances and weights, BUT this combo pretty much fries everything there is to fry ...
so what could be an idea for Day 3? Or may be I should change Day 2?
I came across this list of receptor affinities by substance to help me, but not being the sharpest tool in the box I do fail to draw some conclusions. May be you, ladies and gents, can help?
What I know is that the higher the number the higher the affinity and stronger this receptor is "fried" by the substance. The list is long, but I think you should see it in full. For brainiacs out there could help to put together a minimum-interaction multi-day regimen:
6-F-DMT: 4.00 5ht6, 3.93 5ht2b, 3.80 5ht7, 3.74 H1, 3.66 5ht1d, 3.25 SERT, 3.24 Alpha2C, 3.17 Alpha1A, 3.07 5ht1b, 2.99 Alpha2B, 2.81 5ht1a, 2.74 5ht1e, 2.67 D1, 2.62 D2, 2.58 5ht2c, 2.47 5ht2a, 2.47 D3, 2.45 Imidazoline1, 2.44 H2, 2.43 5ht5a, 2.25 D4, 1.61 D5, 1.57 Sigma1, 1.56 Sigma2; 0.00: DAT, Beta1, NET, Alpha2A, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, Beta2, M2, M3, M4, M5, M1, Alpha1B, NMDA; ND: DOR, MOR, KOR
DMT: 4.00 5ht7, 3.97 5ht1d, 3.91 5ht2b, 3.53 Alpha2B, 3.53 Alpha2C, 3.51 D1, 3.42 5ht2c, 3.28 5ht1e, 3.25 5ht6, 3.16 5ht5a, 3.13 Imidazoline1, 2.95 Alpha1B, 2.75 Alpha2A, 2.70 Alpha1A, 2.58 5ht2a, 2.37 SERT, 2.23 Sigma1; 0.00: 5ht1a, D4, D5, Beta1, D2, D3, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, Beta2, Sigma2, CB2, KOR, Ca+Channel, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H2, CB1; ND: H1, DOR, MOR, NMDA
DPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.88 5ht2b, 3.41 H1, 3.31 SERT, 3.05 5ht7, 2.97 Imidazoline1, 2.97 Alpha2B, 2.90 Sigma1, 2.86 Alpha1B, 2.84 Alpha2A, 2.79 Alpha2C, 2.71 5ht1d, 2.57 5ht1b, 2.56 Alpha1A, 2.37 D3, 2.33 DAT, 2.31 5ht2c, 2.20 D4, 2.13 5ht1e, 2.09 5ht2a, 2.04 Sigma2, 1.86 5ht5a, 1.85 5ht6, 1.54 D2; 0.00: D1, D5, NET, Beta1, DOR, KOR, MOR, Beta2, M2, M3, M4, M5, M1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
DOI: 4.00 5ht2c, 3.79 Alpha2A, 3.52 Beta2, 3.44 5ht2a, 3.13 Alpha2B, 3.13 5ht2b, 3.00 5ht1d, 2.90 M4, 2.89 Beta1, 2.88 Alpha2C, 2.83 SERT, 2.66 5ht1e, 2.51 M3, 2.42 H1, 2.36 M2, 2.34 5ht6, 2.32 M5, 2.31 5ht1a, 2.23 M1, 1.90 5ht7, 1.73 Sigma1, 1.70 Sigma2, 1.67 D1; 0.00: 5ht1b, DAT, Imidazoline1, NET, 5ht5a, DOR, KOR, MOR, Alpha1B, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, NMDA; ND: Ca+Channel
LSD: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.77 5ht7, 3.75 5ht6, 3.73 5ht1a, 3.70 5ht1d, 3.64 5ht5a, 3.54 5ht2a, 3.16 D3, 3.11 5ht2b, 3.11 5ht2c, 2.93 Alpha2A, 2.62 5ht1e, 2.55 D2, 2.39 D4, 2.34 D1, 2.05 D5, 1.54 Alpha1A, 1.40 H1, 1.39 Beta1, 1.05 Beta2, 0.65 Alpha1B; 0.00: KOR, DOR, DAT, SERT, MOR, NET; ND: Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Imidazoline1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
lisuride: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.88 Alpha2C, 3.78 Alpha2B, 3.22 Alpha2A, 3.01 5ht2b, 2.99 5ht5a, 2.90 D4, 2.74 5ht2a, 2.65 D2, 2.64 5ht7, 2.61 5ht6, 2.56 Beta1, 2.27 5ht1b, 2.09 Alpha1A, 1.93 Beta2, 1.83 5ht1e, 1.59 D5, 1.42 H2, 1.34 D3, 1.08 Alpha1B; 0.00: 5ht1d, 5ht2c, D1, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, M1, SERT, CB2, KOR, MOR, M3, M2, M5, M4, CB1, Ca+Channel; ND: Sigma1, H1, Sigma2, DOR, NMDA
2C-E: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.76 5ht2a, 3.54 5ht1d, 3.44 Alpha2C, 3.38 5ht2c, 3.00 5ht1b, 2.91 Alpha2B, 2.91 5ht1a, 2.77 5ht7, 2.71 Alpha2A, 2.60 5ht1e, 2.27 D3, 2.16 M5, 1.99 M3, 1.93 5ht6, 1.88 D2; 0.00: D1, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, Beta1, M1, SERT, D4, NET, Imidazoline1, H1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, NMDA, M2, DAT, M4, D5, CB2, H2, Ca+Channel, CB1; ND: Sigma1, Beta2
TMA: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.95 Sigma2, 3.95 Sigma1, 3.80 5ht7, 3.45 5ht1a, 3.36 Alpha2A, 3.22 5ht1b, 3.20 5ht1d, 3.15 5ht1e, 3.02 5ht2c, 2.98 Alpha2C; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht6, D4, D1, Alpha1A, D2, D3, Alpha2B, D5, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazo- line1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, DOR, KOR, MOR, NMDA, M2, CB2, CB1, M5, H1, H2; ND: M3, M4, Ca+Channel, M1
2C-B: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.71 5ht1d, 3.69 5ht2a, 3.18 5ht2c, 3.12 Alpha2C, 3.11 5ht1b, 3.05 5ht1e, 2.81 5ht7, 2.75 5ht1a, 2.64 Alpha2A, 2.63 5ht6, 2.31 Alpha2B, 2.22 M3, 1.80 Imidazoline1, 1.60 D2, 1.28 D3; 0.00: D1, 5ht5a, Alpha1B, D5, NMDA, M1, SERT, D4, NET, Alpha1A, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, H1, M2, DAT, M4, M5, CB2, H2, CB1; ND: Beta2, Ca+Channel, Beta1
cis-2a: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.79 5ht1b, 3.46 D3, 3.30 5ht7, 3.25 5ht6, 3.15 5ht5a, 2.89 5ht2a, 2.72 5ht2b, 2.67 D2, 2.49 D4, 2.34 5ht2c, 2.07 5ht1e, 2.00 D1, 1.76 Beta1, 1.66 H1, 1.64 Alpha1A, 1.36 D5, 0.70 Beta2; 0.00: DOR, SERT, MOR, KOR, NET, DAT, Alpha1B; ND: 5ht1d, Alpha2A, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Imidazoline1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
5-MeO-MIPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.79 5ht7, 3.74 5ht1d, 3.32 5ht2b, 2.98 5ht6, 2.85 Alpha2A, 2.61 5ht1b, 2.44 5ht2a, 2.29 Alpha2C, 2.15 Imidazoline1, 2.13 Sigma2, 2.11 5ht5a, 1.86 Alpha2B, 1.75 5ht2c, 1.70 D3, 1.55 5ht1e, 1.41 H1, 1.29 D4, 1.28 SERT; 0.00: D2, Alpha1B, D5, D1, Beta2, NET, DAT, Sigma1, Beta1, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, NMDA, Ca+Channel; ND: CB1
Psilocin: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.40 5ht1d, 3.37 D1, 3.03 5ht1e, 2.88 5ht1a, 2.83 5ht5a, 2.82 5ht7, 2.82 5ht6, 2.67 D3, 2.52 5ht2c, 2.19 5ht1b, 2.14 5ht2a, 1.77 Imidazoline1, 1.74 SERT, 1.57 Alpha2B, 1.36 Alpha2A, 1.03 Alpha2C; 0.00: D2, Alpha1B, D5, D4, Beta2, Beta1, DAT, NET, Alpha1A, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, Ca+Channel, H1, H2, CB2, CB1; ND: M5, NMDA
DIPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.53 Imidazoline1, 3.48 5ht2b, 2.98 SERT, 2.83 Sigma1, 2.68 Alpha2C, 2.65 Sigma2, 2.62 Alpha2B, 2.56 D3, 2.55 5ht7, 2.53 H1, 2.51 5ht1d; 0.00: 5ht2a, D4, 5ht5a, D1, D2, Alpha2A, 5ht6, D5, Beta1, Beta2, 5ht2c, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, Alpha1B, 5ht1e, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
5-MeO-DIPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.91 5ht2b, 3.24 Imidazoline1, 3.03 5ht7, 2.89 5ht1d, 2.72 SERT, 2.66 Alpha2C, 2.64 Sigma2, 2.41 5ht1b, 2.40 Alpha2B, 2.15 Sigma1; 0.00: 5ht5a, 5ht2a, D4, D3, D1, D2, Alpha2A, 5ht6, D5, Beta1, Beta2, 5ht2c, DAT, NET, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht1e, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
RR-2b: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.59 5ht1a, 3.20 5ht5a, 3.05 5ht1d, 2.81 5ht7, 2.52 5ht6, 2.40 D3, 2.16 5ht1e, 2.08 D4, 1.88 D2, 1.81 5ht2b, 1.77 D1, 1.63 5ht2c, 1.53 D5, 1.46 5ht2a, 1.14 H1, 0.59 Alpha1A; 0.00: SERT, DOR, KOR, MOR, Alpha1B, NET, DAT; ND: Alpha2A, Imidazoline1, Beta2, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
2C-T-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.18 5ht2a, 3.05 5ht2c, 2.84 5ht1d, 2.56 Alpha2C, 2.20 5ht1a, 2.16 5ht1e, 1.94 M3, 1.92 Alpha2A, 1.84 5ht1b, 1.79 Alpha2B, 1.79 5ht7, 1.70 Beta2, 1.64 5ht6, 1.60 M5, 1.51 D3, 1.46 Imidazoline1, 1.33 D2, 1.19 Sigma1, 0.81 Beta1; 0.00: D1, 5ht5a, SERT, D4, NET, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, DAT, M4, D5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
4C-T-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.67 Beta2, 3.33 5ht2a, 3.09 5ht2c, 3.05 Sigma1, 2.79 Imidazoline1, 2.66 D3, 2.56 5ht5a, 2.18 5ht7, 2.04 5ht1a, 1.77 5ht1e; 0.00: 5ht6, D1, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, D2, SERT, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
MDMA: 4.00 Imidazoline1, 3.64 5ht2b, 3.26 Ca+Channel, 3.21 Alpha2C, 3.09 Alpha2B, 3.07 M3, 2.94 Alpha2A, 2.54 M5, 2.43 M4; 0.00: 5ht2c, 5ht1d, D2, 5ht1e, 5ht1a, 5ht2a, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, D1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, H1, H2, D3, KOR, Beta1, M1, M2, D5, D4, CB1, NMDA, MOR; ND: DOR, Sigma2, CB2, Sigma1
Ibogaine: 4.00 Sigma2, 3.57 SERT, 3.02 DAT, 3.01 NMDA, 2.88 KOR, 2.67 MOR, 2.55 Sigma1, 2.22 M3, 2.16 5ht2a, 1.96 M1, 1.72 M2, 1.47 D3; 0.00: DOR, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, 5ht1a, H1, 5ht2c, D2, D1, Beta1; ND: Alpha2C, D5, D4, Alpha2B, Imidazoline1, NET, Alpha2A, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, Alpha1B, 5ht1e, 5ht2b, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, Beta2
DOET: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.72 5ht2a, 3.70 5ht2b, 3.13 5ht2c, 2.40 Alpha2B, 2.07 5ht7, 2.05 Alpha2A, 2.00 Alpha2C, 1.82 Beta2, 1.71 5ht1b, 1.61 5ht1e, 1.40 Beta1, 1.34 5ht1d, 1.18 Sigma2, 1.17 Sigma1; 0.00: D4, Alpha1A, D3, 5ht6, D5, D1, D2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, DOR, KOR, MOR, NMDA, M2, CB2, CB1, M5, H1, H2; ND: M3, M4, Ca+Channel, M1
5-MeO-DMT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.69 5ht7, 3.48 5ht1d, 2.73 5ht6, 2.41 5ht1b, 2.38 D1, 1.84 5ht5a, 1.72 5ht1e, 1.58 D3, 1.57 Alpha2C, 1.55 5ht2c, 1.00 Alpha2A, 0.98 5ht2a, 0.97 SERT, 0.88 Imidazoline1, 0.86 Alpha2B, 0.82 NET, 0.78 D4, 0.73 D2, 0.69 5ht2b; 0.00: Alpha1B, Beta2, Beta1, DAT, D5, Alpha1A, Sigma1, Sigma2, CB2, KOR, Ca+Channel, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H2, CB1; ND: H1, DOR, MOR, NMDA
SS-2c: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.22 5ht1b, 2.82 D3, 2.45 5ht7, 2.44 5ht6, 2.32 5ht2a, 2.17 5ht5a, 2.17 5ht2b, 2.03 5ht2c, 1.74 D2, 1.72 Beta1, 1.62 D4, 1.16 5ht1e, 1.14 D1, 1.00 D5, 0.67 Alpha1A, 0.57 Beta2, 0.20 H1; 0.00: DOR, SERT, MOR, KOR, NET, DAT, Alpha1B; ND: 5ht1d, Alpha2A, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Imidazoline1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
2C-B-fly: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.81 5ht1d, 2.93 5ht2c, 2.89 5ht2a, 1.91 5ht1e, 1.79 5ht1a, 1.79 Alpha2A, 1.78 5ht6, 1.69 5ht1b, 1.59 Alpha2C, 1.42 M3, 1.24 M4, 1.17 5ht7, 1.16 Alpha2B, 1.15 M1, 1.01 M5, 0.65 M2, 0.26 D1, 0.19 H1, 0.12 D2; 0.00: Beta1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, Beta2, SERT, CB2, D4, D5, Alpha1A, H2, CB1; ND: D3, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Mescaline: 4.00 Alpha2C, 3.97 5ht2b, 3.61 5ht1a, 3.44 Imidazoline1, 3.16 5ht1e, 2.92 Alpha2A; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht2c, 5ht6, 5ht1d, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, Alpha2B, 5ht7, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
DOB: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.23 5ht2a, 2.97 5ht2c, 2.11 Beta2, 1.89 5ht7, 1.82 Alpha2C, 1.79 5ht1d, 1.68 D3, 1.62 5ht1b, 1.53 M3, 1.44 5ht1e, 1.41 Alpha2B, 1.39 Imidazoline1, 1.25 Sigma1, 1.21 Beta1, 1.18 5ht1a, 0.96 Alpha2A, 0.87 5ht5a, 0.85 5ht6, 0.66 SERT, 0.63 H1; 0.00: D5, D2, D4, NET, D1, Alpha1B, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, DAT, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
5-MeO-TMT: 4.00 5ht6, 3.62 5ht7, 3.48 5ht1a, 3.38 5ht1d, 2.52 5ht1e, 2.17 5ht2c, 1.97 NET, 1.76 5ht5a; 0.00: 5ht2a, DAT, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, H1, H2, SERT, DOR, KOR, MOR; ND: Beta2, Alpha2A, 5ht2b, 5ht1b, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
DOM: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.38 Beta2, 2.75 5ht1d, 2.36 5ht2a, 2.30 Alpha2A, 2.13 Alpha2B, 2.10 Alpha2C, 1.87 5ht7, 1.56 Alpha1A, 1.52 5ht1e, 1.51 5ht1a, 1.47 5ht2c, 1.16 5ht6; 0.00: D3, 5ht1b, D1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, D4, D5, Beta1, D2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, CB2, CB1, M5, H1, H2, NMDA; ND: M3, Ca+Channel, M4
MDA: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.60 Alpha2C, 3.12 Alpha2B, 2.74 Alpha2A, 2.41 5ht7, 2.38 5ht1a, 2.15 5ht2c; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht1e, 5ht1d, D1, D2, D3, D4, 5ht1b, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, 5ht6, D5, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, CB2, H2, M5, KOR, M2, CB1; ND: M1, M3, Sigma1, MOR, H1, Sigma2, DOR, M4, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Aleph-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 2.79 Beta2, 2.50 5ht2c, 2.42 5ht2a, 1.83 Sigma1, 1.70 Imidazoline1, 1.41 D3, 1.08 5ht7, 1.08 SERT, 1.06 Alpha2C, 1.02 5ht1d, 0.98 5ht1a, 0.92 M3, 0.90 5ht1b, 0.74 Alpha2B, 0.72 5ht6, 0.71 5ht1e, 0.44 Alpha2A, 0.37 Beta1, 0.30 M5; 0.00: D1, D2, 5ht5a, D4, NET, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, DAT, M4, D5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
EMDT: 4.00 5ht6, 2.97 5ht1a, 2.74 5ht1d, 2.73 5ht7, 2.49 5ht1e, 1.95 5ht2c, 1.54 5ht5a; 0.00: 5ht2a, DAT, D5, D1, D2, D3, D4, NET, H1, H2, SERT, DOR, KOR, MOR; ND: Beta2, Alpha2A, 5ht2b, 5ht1b, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
TMA-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.42 5ht2a, 3.04 H1, 2.58 5ht2c; 0.00: 5ht1b, 5ht1a, 5ht1e, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, 5ht1d, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, M5, Alpha1A, H2, M2; ND: KOR, DOR, M1, MOR, M3, M4, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
THC: 4.00 CB1, 3.78 CB2; ND: 5ht2a, 5ht2c, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, 5ht1e, 5ht2b, 5ht1a, 5ht7, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, 5ht6, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Ca+Channel, NMDA
MEM: 4.00 5ht2b, 2.21 5ht2a, 2.10 Sigma1, 1.95 5ht7; 0.00: 5ht2c, 5ht1a, 5ht1e, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht1b, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, 5ht1d, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Morphine: 4.00 MOR, 2.21 KOR, 0.72 DOR; ND: 5ht2c, 5ht2a, 5ht1d, 5ht1e, 5ht2b, 5ht1a, 5ht1b, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Salvinorin A: 4.00 KOR; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht2b, 5ht2c, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, 5ht1e, 5ht5a, 5ht1a, 5ht7, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, SERT, DOR, 5ht6, Beta1, Beta2, M2, DAT, M4, M5, H1, M1, M3, MOR; ND: Alpha2A, Alpha2C, Sigma2, Alpha2B, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
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Good to see this thread revived and DB being back from his troubles. Hope it was nothing long-term damaging, DB!
I am not sure where to post this and this thread does seem to have the best group to ask :)
Say, if I wanted to have a psychedelic long weekend - 3 days of tripping ... In what order and what doses would I arrange my substances in to have maximum good time.
I have ideas for the first two:
Day 1: Pharmahuasca - moclobemide (15omg) + DMT fumerate or DMT phosphate (100 to 150mg) with an opportunity to top-up with smoked DMT freebase to make a complete (albeit temporary) departure into the hyperspace. While smoking while on MAOI is for an adventurous type just pharmahuasca is an amazing and great experience while being fully mobile and almost functional ;-)
Day 2: Since DMT does not really fry any receptors long-term and moclobemide is RIMA and gets out of the system very quickly one can do this regimen - LSD + 2CB + MDMA/MDA + GHB - doses vary depending on natural tolerances and weights, BUT this combo pretty much fries everything there is to fry ...
so what could be an idea for Day 3? Or may be I should change Day 2?
I came across this list of receptor affinities by substance to help me, but not being the sharpest tool in the box I do fail to draw some conclusions. May be you, ladies and gents, can help?
What I know is that the higher the number the higher the affinity and stronger this receptor is "fried" by the substance. The list is long, but I think you should see it in full. For brainiacs out there could help to put together a minimum-interaction multi-day regimen:
6-F-DMT: 4.00 5ht6, 3.93 5ht2b, 3.80 5ht7, 3.74 H1, 3.66 5ht1d, 3.25 SERT, 3.24 Alpha2C, 3.17 Alpha1A, 3.07 5ht1b, 2.99 Alpha2B, 2.81 5ht1a, 2.74 5ht1e, 2.67 D1, 2.62 D2, 2.58 5ht2c, 2.47 5ht2a, 2.47 D3, 2.45 Imidazoline1, 2.44 H2, 2.43 5ht5a, 2.25 D4, 1.61 D5, 1.57 Sigma1, 1.56 Sigma2; 0.00: DAT, Beta1, NET, Alpha2A, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, Beta2, M2, M3, M4, M5, M1, Alpha1B, NMDA; ND: DOR, MOR, KOR
DMT: 4.00 5ht7, 3.97 5ht1d, 3.91 5ht2b, 3.53 Alpha2B, 3.53 Alpha2C, 3.51 D1, 3.42 5ht2c, 3.28 5ht1e, 3.25 5ht6, 3.16 5ht5a, 3.13 Imidazoline1, 2.95 Alpha1B, 2.75 Alpha2A, 2.70 Alpha1A, 2.58 5ht2a, 2.37 SERT, 2.23 Sigma1; 0.00: 5ht1a, D4, D5, Beta1, D2, D3, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, Beta2, Sigma2, CB2, KOR, Ca+Channel, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H2, CB1; ND: H1, DOR, MOR, NMDA
DPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.88 5ht2b, 3.41 H1, 3.31 SERT, 3.05 5ht7, 2.97 Imidazoline1, 2.97 Alpha2B, 2.90 Sigma1, 2.86 Alpha1B, 2.84 Alpha2A, 2.79 Alpha2C, 2.71 5ht1d, 2.57 5ht1b, 2.56 Alpha1A, 2.37 D3, 2.33 DAT, 2.31 5ht2c, 2.20 D4, 2.13 5ht1e, 2.09 5ht2a, 2.04 Sigma2, 1.86 5ht5a, 1.85 5ht6, 1.54 D2; 0.00: D1, D5, NET, Beta1, DOR, KOR, MOR, Beta2, M2, M3, M4, M5, M1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
DOI: 4.00 5ht2c, 3.79 Alpha2A, 3.52 Beta2, 3.44 5ht2a, 3.13 Alpha2B, 3.13 5ht2b, 3.00 5ht1d, 2.90 M4, 2.89 Beta1, 2.88 Alpha2C, 2.83 SERT, 2.66 5ht1e, 2.51 M3, 2.42 H1, 2.36 M2, 2.34 5ht6, 2.32 M5, 2.31 5ht1a, 2.23 M1, 1.90 5ht7, 1.73 Sigma1, 1.70 Sigma2, 1.67 D1; 0.00: 5ht1b, DAT, Imidazoline1, NET, 5ht5a, DOR, KOR, MOR, Alpha1B, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, NMDA; ND: Ca+Channel
LSD: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.77 5ht7, 3.75 5ht6, 3.73 5ht1a, 3.70 5ht1d, 3.64 5ht5a, 3.54 5ht2a, 3.16 D3, 3.11 5ht2b, 3.11 5ht2c, 2.93 Alpha2A, 2.62 5ht1e, 2.55 D2, 2.39 D4, 2.34 D1, 2.05 D5, 1.54 Alpha1A, 1.40 H1, 1.39 Beta1, 1.05 Beta2, 0.65 Alpha1B; 0.00: KOR, DOR, DAT, SERT, MOR, NET; ND: Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Imidazoline1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
lisuride: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.88 Alpha2C, 3.78 Alpha2B, 3.22 Alpha2A, 3.01 5ht2b, 2.99 5ht5a, 2.90 D4, 2.74 5ht2a, 2.65 D2, 2.64 5ht7, 2.61 5ht6, 2.56 Beta1, 2.27 5ht1b, 2.09 Alpha1A, 1.93 Beta2, 1.83 5ht1e, 1.59 D5, 1.42 H2, 1.34 D3, 1.08 Alpha1B; 0.00: 5ht1d, 5ht2c, D1, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, M1, SERT, CB2, KOR, MOR, M3, M2, M5, M4, CB1, Ca+Channel; ND: Sigma1, H1, Sigma2, DOR, NMDA
2C-E: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.76 5ht2a, 3.54 5ht1d, 3.44 Alpha2C, 3.38 5ht2c, 3.00 5ht1b, 2.91 Alpha2B, 2.91 5ht1a, 2.77 5ht7, 2.71 Alpha2A, 2.60 5ht1e, 2.27 D3, 2.16 M5, 1.99 M3, 1.93 5ht6, 1.88 D2; 0.00: D1, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, Beta1, M1, SERT, D4, NET, Imidazoline1, H1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, NMDA, M2, DAT, M4, D5, CB2, H2, Ca+Channel, CB1; ND: Sigma1, Beta2
TMA: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.95 Sigma2, 3.95 Sigma1, 3.80 5ht7, 3.45 5ht1a, 3.36 Alpha2A, 3.22 5ht1b, 3.20 5ht1d, 3.15 5ht1e, 3.02 5ht2c, 2.98 Alpha2C; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht6, D4, D1, Alpha1A, D2, D3, Alpha2B, D5, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazo- line1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, DOR, KOR, MOR, NMDA, M2, CB2, CB1, M5, H1, H2; ND: M3, M4, Ca+Channel, M1
2C-B: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.71 5ht1d, 3.69 5ht2a, 3.18 5ht2c, 3.12 Alpha2C, 3.11 5ht1b, 3.05 5ht1e, 2.81 5ht7, 2.75 5ht1a, 2.64 Alpha2A, 2.63 5ht6, 2.31 Alpha2B, 2.22 M3, 1.80 Imidazoline1, 1.60 D2, 1.28 D3; 0.00: D1, 5ht5a, Alpha1B, D5, NMDA, M1, SERT, D4, NET, Alpha1A, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, H1, M2, DAT, M4, M5, CB2, H2, CB1; ND: Beta2, Ca+Channel, Beta1
cis-2a: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.79 5ht1b, 3.46 D3, 3.30 5ht7, 3.25 5ht6, 3.15 5ht5a, 2.89 5ht2a, 2.72 5ht2b, 2.67 D2, 2.49 D4, 2.34 5ht2c, 2.07 5ht1e, 2.00 D1, 1.76 Beta1, 1.66 H1, 1.64 Alpha1A, 1.36 D5, 0.70 Beta2; 0.00: DOR, SERT, MOR, KOR, NET, DAT, Alpha1B; ND: 5ht1d, Alpha2A, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Imidazoline1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
5-MeO-MIPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.79 5ht7, 3.74 5ht1d, 3.32 5ht2b, 2.98 5ht6, 2.85 Alpha2A, 2.61 5ht1b, 2.44 5ht2a, 2.29 Alpha2C, 2.15 Imidazoline1, 2.13 Sigma2, 2.11 5ht5a, 1.86 Alpha2B, 1.75 5ht2c, 1.70 D3, 1.55 5ht1e, 1.41 H1, 1.29 D4, 1.28 SERT; 0.00: D2, Alpha1B, D5, D1, Beta2, NET, DAT, Sigma1, Beta1, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, NMDA, Ca+Channel; ND: CB1
Psilocin: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.40 5ht1d, 3.37 D1, 3.03 5ht1e, 2.88 5ht1a, 2.83 5ht5a, 2.82 5ht7, 2.82 5ht6, 2.67 D3, 2.52 5ht2c, 2.19 5ht1b, 2.14 5ht2a, 1.77 Imidazoline1, 1.74 SERT, 1.57 Alpha2B, 1.36 Alpha2A, 1.03 Alpha2C; 0.00: D2, Alpha1B, D5, D4, Beta2, Beta1, DAT, NET, Alpha1A, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, Ca+Channel, H1, H2, CB2, CB1; ND: M5, NMDA
DIPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.53 Imidazoline1, 3.48 5ht2b, 2.98 SERT, 2.83 Sigma1, 2.68 Alpha2C, 2.65 Sigma2, 2.62 Alpha2B, 2.56 D3, 2.55 5ht7, 2.53 H1, 2.51 5ht1d; 0.00: 5ht2a, D4, 5ht5a, D1, D2, Alpha2A, 5ht6, D5, Beta1, Beta2, 5ht2c, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, Alpha1B, 5ht1e, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
5-MeO-DIPT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.91 5ht2b, 3.24 Imidazoline1, 3.03 5ht7, 2.89 5ht1d, 2.72 SERT, 2.66 Alpha2C, 2.64 Sigma2, 2.41 5ht1b, 2.40 Alpha2B, 2.15 Sigma1; 0.00: 5ht5a, 5ht2a, D4, D3, D1, D2, Alpha2A, 5ht6, D5, Beta1, Beta2, 5ht2c, DAT, NET, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht1e, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
RR-2b: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.59 5ht1a, 3.20 5ht5a, 3.05 5ht1d, 2.81 5ht7, 2.52 5ht6, 2.40 D3, 2.16 5ht1e, 2.08 D4, 1.88 D2, 1.81 5ht2b, 1.77 D1, 1.63 5ht2c, 1.53 D5, 1.46 5ht2a, 1.14 H1, 0.59 Alpha1A; 0.00: SERT, DOR, KOR, MOR, Alpha1B, NET, DAT; ND: Alpha2A, Imidazoline1, Beta2, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
2C-T-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.18 5ht2a, 3.05 5ht2c, 2.84 5ht1d, 2.56 Alpha2C, 2.20 5ht1a, 2.16 5ht1e, 1.94 M3, 1.92 Alpha2A, 1.84 5ht1b, 1.79 Alpha2B, 1.79 5ht7, 1.70 Beta2, 1.64 5ht6, 1.60 M5, 1.51 D3, 1.46 Imidazoline1, 1.33 D2, 1.19 Sigma1, 0.81 Beta1; 0.00: D1, 5ht5a, SERT, D4, NET, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, DAT, M4, D5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
4C-T-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.67 Beta2, 3.33 5ht2a, 3.09 5ht2c, 3.05 Sigma1, 2.79 Imidazoline1, 2.66 D3, 2.56 5ht5a, 2.18 5ht7, 2.04 5ht1a, 1.77 5ht1e; 0.00: 5ht6, D1, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, D2, SERT, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
MDMA: 4.00 Imidazoline1, 3.64 5ht2b, 3.26 Ca+Channel, 3.21 Alpha2C, 3.09 Alpha2B, 3.07 M3, 2.94 Alpha2A, 2.54 M5, 2.43 M4; 0.00: 5ht2c, 5ht1d, D2, 5ht1e, 5ht1a, 5ht2a, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, D1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, H1, H2, D3, KOR, Beta1, M1, M2, D5, D4, CB1, NMDA, MOR; ND: DOR, Sigma2, CB2, Sigma1
Ibogaine: 4.00 Sigma2, 3.57 SERT, 3.02 DAT, 3.01 NMDA, 2.88 KOR, 2.67 MOR, 2.55 Sigma1, 2.22 M3, 2.16 5ht2a, 1.96 M1, 1.72 M2, 1.47 D3; 0.00: DOR, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, 5ht1a, H1, 5ht2c, D2, D1, Beta1; ND: Alpha2C, D5, D4, Alpha2B, Imidazoline1, NET, Alpha2A, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, Alpha1B, 5ht1e, 5ht2b, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, Beta2
DOET: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.72 5ht2a, 3.70 5ht2b, 3.13 5ht2c, 2.40 Alpha2B, 2.07 5ht7, 2.05 Alpha2A, 2.00 Alpha2C, 1.82 Beta2, 1.71 5ht1b, 1.61 5ht1e, 1.40 Beta1, 1.34 5ht1d, 1.18 Sigma2, 1.17 Sigma1; 0.00: D4, Alpha1A, D3, 5ht6, D5, D1, D2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, DOR, KOR, MOR, NMDA, M2, CB2, CB1, M5, H1, H2; ND: M3, M4, Ca+Channel, M1
5-MeO-DMT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.69 5ht7, 3.48 5ht1d, 2.73 5ht6, 2.41 5ht1b, 2.38 D1, 1.84 5ht5a, 1.72 5ht1e, 1.58 D3, 1.57 Alpha2C, 1.55 5ht2c, 1.00 Alpha2A, 0.98 5ht2a, 0.97 SERT, 0.88 Imidazoline1, 0.86 Alpha2B, 0.82 NET, 0.78 D4, 0.73 D2, 0.69 5ht2b; 0.00: Alpha1B, Beta2, Beta1, DAT, D5, Alpha1A, Sigma1, Sigma2, CB2, KOR, Ca+Channel, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H2, CB1; ND: H1, DOR, MOR, NMDA
SS-2c: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.22 5ht1b, 2.82 D3, 2.45 5ht7, 2.44 5ht6, 2.32 5ht2a, 2.17 5ht5a, 2.17 5ht2b, 2.03 5ht2c, 1.74 D2, 1.72 Beta1, 1.62 D4, 1.16 5ht1e, 1.14 D1, 1.00 D5, 0.67 Alpha1A, 0.57 Beta2, 0.20 H1; 0.00: DOR, SERT, MOR, KOR, NET, DAT, Alpha1B; ND: 5ht1d, Alpha2A, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Imidazoline1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
2C-B-fly: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.81 5ht1d, 2.93 5ht2c, 2.89 5ht2a, 1.91 5ht1e, 1.79 5ht1a, 1.79 Alpha2A, 1.78 5ht6, 1.69 5ht1b, 1.59 Alpha2C, 1.42 M3, 1.24 M4, 1.17 5ht7, 1.16 Alpha2B, 1.15 M1, 1.01 M5, 0.65 M2, 0.26 D1, 0.19 H1, 0.12 D2; 0.00: Beta1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, Beta2, SERT, CB2, D4, D5, Alpha1A, H2, CB1; ND: D3, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Mescaline: 4.00 Alpha2C, 3.97 5ht2b, 3.61 5ht1a, 3.44 Imidazoline1, 3.16 5ht1e, 2.92 Alpha2A; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht2c, 5ht6, 5ht1d, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, Alpha2B, 5ht7, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
DOB: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.23 5ht2a, 2.97 5ht2c, 2.11 Beta2, 1.89 5ht7, 1.82 Alpha2C, 1.79 5ht1d, 1.68 D3, 1.62 5ht1b, 1.53 M3, 1.44 5ht1e, 1.41 Alpha2B, 1.39 Imidazoline1, 1.25 Sigma1, 1.21 Beta1, 1.18 5ht1a, 0.96 Alpha2A, 0.87 5ht5a, 0.85 5ht6, 0.66 SERT, 0.63 H1; 0.00: D5, D2, D4, NET, D1, Alpha1B, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, DAT, M4, M5, Alpha1A, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
5-MeO-TMT: 4.00 5ht6, 3.62 5ht7, 3.48 5ht1a, 3.38 5ht1d, 2.52 5ht1e, 2.17 5ht2c, 1.97 NET, 1.76 5ht5a; 0.00: 5ht2a, DAT, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, H1, H2, SERT, DOR, KOR, MOR; ND: Beta2, Alpha2A, 5ht2b, 5ht1b, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
DOM: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.38 Beta2, 2.75 5ht1d, 2.36 5ht2a, 2.30 Alpha2A, 2.13 Alpha2B, 2.10 Alpha2C, 1.87 5ht7, 1.56 Alpha1A, 1.52 5ht1e, 1.51 5ht1a, 1.47 5ht2c, 1.16 5ht6; 0.00: D3, 5ht1b, D1, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, D4, D5, Beta1, D2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, CB2, CB1, M5, H1, H2, NMDA; ND: M3, Ca+Channel, M4
MDA: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.60 Alpha2C, 3.12 Alpha2B, 2.74 Alpha2A, 2.41 5ht7, 2.38 5ht1a, 2.15 5ht2c; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht1e, 5ht1d, D1, D2, D3, D4, 5ht1b, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, 5ht6, D5, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, CB2, H2, M5, KOR, M2, CB1; ND: M1, M3, Sigma1, MOR, H1, Sigma2, DOR, M4, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Aleph-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 2.79 Beta2, 2.50 5ht2c, 2.42 5ht2a, 1.83 Sigma1, 1.70 Imidazoline1, 1.41 D3, 1.08 5ht7, 1.08 SERT, 1.06 Alpha2C, 1.02 5ht1d, 0.98 5ht1a, 0.92 M3, 0.90 5ht1b, 0.74 Alpha2B, 0.72 5ht6, 0.71 5ht1e, 0.44 Alpha2A, 0.37 Beta1, 0.30 M5; 0.00: D1, D2, 5ht5a, D4, NET, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, DAT, M4, D5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
EMDT: 4.00 5ht6, 2.97 5ht1a, 2.74 5ht1d, 2.73 5ht7, 2.49 5ht1e, 1.95 5ht2c, 1.54 5ht5a; 0.00: 5ht2a, DAT, D5, D1, D2, D3, D4, NET, H1, H2, SERT, DOR, KOR, MOR; ND: Beta2, Alpha2A, 5ht2b, 5ht1b, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
TMA-2: 4.00 5ht2b, 3.42 5ht2a, 3.04 H1, 2.58 5ht2c; 0.00: 5ht1b, 5ht1a, 5ht1e, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, 5ht1d, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, M5, Alpha1A, H2, M2; ND: KOR, DOR, M1, MOR, M3, M4, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
THC: 4.00 CB1, 3.78 CB2; ND: 5ht2a, 5ht2c, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, 5ht1e, 5ht2b, 5ht1a, 5ht7, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, 5ht5a, 5ht6, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Ca+Channel, NMDA
MEM: 4.00 5ht2b, 2.21 5ht2a, 2.10 Sigma1, 1.95 5ht7; 0.00: 5ht2c, 5ht1a, 5ht1e, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht1b, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, 5ht1d, Sigma2, DOR, KOR, MOR, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Morphine: 4.00 MOR, 2.21 KOR, 0.72 DOR; ND: 5ht2c, 5ht2a, 5ht1d, 5ht1e, 5ht2b, 5ht1a, 5ht1b, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, Alpha2A, Alpha2B, Alpha2C, Beta1, Beta2, SERT, DAT, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, Sigma2, 5ht5a, 5ht6, 5ht7, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Salvinorin A: 4.00 KOR; 0.00: 5ht2a, 5ht2b, 5ht2c, 5ht1b, 5ht1d, 5ht1e, 5ht5a, 5ht1a, 5ht7, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, Alpha1A, Alpha1B, SERT, DOR, 5ht6, Beta1, Beta2, M2, DAT, M4, M5, H1, M1, M3, MOR; ND: Alpha2A, Alpha2C, Sigma2, Alpha2B, NET, Imidazoline1, Sigma1, H2, CB2, CB1, Ca+Channel, NMDA
Hey incog, im well thank you. We always bounce back, its human nature.
As for your line up question. I havnt much experience with any of the goodies in your party pack, other than L and MDMA. With some luck animusvox may stop in, i think he would be perfect for this question. Much love man.
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@ incogmagnito: I haven't gone threw your whole list up there... but I know I've spend 3 days weekends tripping on combo's of LSD, mushrooms, amphetamine (keeps you awake, seems to also boost the LSD experience and after being awake for 3 days without food you don't need much more to hallucinate) and lots of marihuana.
A combo with mescaline, ketamine and possibly DMT might do wonders - but I didn't have access to those at that time so I haven't tried it myself.
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Just a reminder, with regards to the Nichols 'psychedelic binding affinity' chart. It omits some duplicate results, for instance, it doesn't mention SS-2c being active at HT1d(very much so, 2.4nM, still a wonderful drug though). There is a certain 'balance' to every drug event which triggers the experience, biochemically speaking. I've had it explained to me in the following way: There is a target, like a bulls-eye, and let's say you are an Archer, the tricky thing is, you are trying to hit at least 4 or 5 targets, including the "master target" while ever-so-slightly missing the bullseye on every target, with the more targets hit in this way, the better. Sure you could go for a full-on agonist at the 5HT2a receptor, the consumate 'psychedelic' receptor, but you'll find most drugs that are popular tend to be full agonists at the adjacent channels like HT2b/c and HT1a/b.
There is also a feedback-loop where HT2 receptors potentate dopamine receptors, wherein you get the 'crazy' 'euphoric' and 'rushing' aspects which shake up the experience, along with the adrenal receptors at the alpha and beta sites. The analogy to entering a several-digit long code to enter a door, is another one I like, the necessary charge required to open up a flood from the calcium and phosphine channels is essentially an entry code, and the drug is the key. The fact that LSD and similar drugs are so popular, is because there is a delicate balance between activation of
LSD: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.77 5ht7, 3.75 5ht6, 3.73 5ht1a, 3.70 5ht1d, 3.64 5ht5a, 3.54 5ht2a, 3.16 D3, 3.11 5ht2b, 3.11 5ht2c, 2.93 Alpha2A, 2.62 5ht1e, 2.55 D2, 2.39 D4, 2.34 D1, 2.05 D5, 1.54 Alpha1A, 1.40 H1, 1.39 Beta1, 1.05 Beta2, 0.65 Alpha1B;
at least 9 receptors as a strong agonist, and another 5 as partial agonist, 4/5 of those are dopamine receptors, with some weak activity at adrenal receptors as well. These often overlooked dopamine receptors come into play after the HT2 activation sensitizes them, so the chart can be difficult to read as-is. I still find it incredibly helpful, I just thought that we should stay on topic, which is LSD here. A major reason why ergoloid analogues have been so popular, I postulate, is because of decreased activity at the dopamine sites from the onset, which makes for less of the 'mindfuck' later.
Which brings about the subject of 13-OH-LSD being a dopamine agonist and the 4-hour 'twilight zone' where the dark aspects tend to come out. I've always said I never entered a trip and exited without some kind of difficulty at this mark, more of a slight insanity which creeps up on you. When I was younger, I would provide myself with perspective exercises to sort out such things, although with high-dose I've noticed that the crazy will stay around until the very end of the experience. Any thoughts?
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@ incogmagnito: I haven't gone threw your whole list up there... but I know I've spend 3 days weekends tripping on combo's of LSD, mushrooms, amphetamine (keeps you awake, seems to also boost the LSD experience and after being awake for 3 days without food you don't need much more to hallucinate) and lots of marihuana.
A combo with mescaline, ketamine and possibly DMT might do wonders - but I didn't have access to those at that time so I haven't tried it myself.
Thank you, @RaFaeL5, +1
How do you take them for the effects to last for 3 days?
I was under impression that in order for LSD to "feel" active the next day after first take one needs to take 4x as much.
Are you going for escalating doses?
LSD: 4.00 5ht1b, 3.77 5ht7, 3.75 5ht6, 3.73 5ht1a, 3.70 5ht1d, 3.64 5ht5a, 3.54 5ht2a, 3.16 D3, 3.11 5ht2b, 3.11 5ht2c, 2.93 Alpha2A, 2.62 5ht1e, 2.55 D2, 2.39 D4, 2.34 D1, 2.05 D5, 1.54 Alpha1A, 1.40 H1, 1.39 Beta1, 1.05 Beta2, 0.65 Alpha1B;
at least 9 receptors as a strong agonist, and another 5 as partial agonist, 4/5 of those are dopamine receptors, with some weak activity at adrenal receptors as well. These often overlooked dopamine receptors come into play after the HT2 activation sensitizes them, so the chart can be difficult to read as-is. I still find it incredibly helpful, I just thought that we should stay on topic, which is LSD here. A major reason why ergoloid analogues have been so popular, I postulate, is because of decreased activity at the dopamine sites from the onset, which makes for less of the 'mindfuck' later.
Any thoughts?
Thank you for your comment, +1!
You are clearly involved into this field. Interesting hypothesis, indeed, and it seems that RR-2b and SS-2c totally support it. What is interesting is that sic-2a seems to outdo LSD on all but one dopamine receptors. I am a stranger to LSD isomers and have not even tried AL-LAD and LSZ yet, but this hypothesis of yours makes me want to compare.
Coming back to overall set of affinities - am I right in assuming that the reason why DMT taken the day before LSD does not create tolerance for LSD is because DMT's "main" focus" is 5ht7 while LSD's affinity to this receptor is approaching zero? It would also appear that while DMT barely touches on dopamine receptors, LSD is certainly active on most of them - could this aspect be responsible for practically no tolerance between the two? I guess I am keen to test the boundaries of usability of this data.
Keep your thoughts coming, please!
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It takes indeed about 3X the original dose if you want to get back on the LSD-ship after you totally tripped out (= after sleep, a good meal and the necessary time to recover from your first experience),
but if you don't sleep nor eat but take amphetamine, you will not need that much.
What will follow is a 100% hardcore mental regime, with mind-fuck and/or strong paranoia 100% guaranteed (I'm speaking out of personal experience): you could start the first day with some LSD and take some HQ amphetamine on regular intervals during this first trip (I'd say about 1 decent line every 2 hours) or take some methamphetamine but that will be quite more dangerous (especially for the come-down on the end of the 3 days), then without having slept or eaten (but drink enough water...or alcohol?) you could take some mushrooms bit by bit on the come down of the LSD (spread over 6h or so you'd eat 2 or 3 full portions of them). By the time the mushrooms start to come down you should be in the "experiment" for over 36h (keep on taking amphetamine on regular intervals to keep you awake and not hungry). On the come-down of the mushrooms you could move on to some good MDA (or if not available MDMA) and possibly top that up with some 2C-B after an hour or 2. By the time this start to come-down you should have spent more than 48h tripping without sleep or food. At this point, the deprivation of your body and the mental load on your psyche should already be that hard that keeping taking amphetamine should keep you in a state of tripping - but if you really wanna go hardcore, take 3 more blotters of the original LSD and see where that brings you.
Again, this is a HaRdCoRe combination. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone in any circumstance, but I now out of experience that it works (I didn't take the 2C-B though and mostly used MDMA when going that long/deep so that I'd have kind of a period of "rest" in between).
The problems that you'll encounter the coming days, when trying to come down from hyperspace will be massive and will last about 10 days (unless you start taking "something" again... - beware of that danger if trying such a combo).
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+1 to all you guys <3
In a great mood today, for w.e reason. hehe. 8)
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+1 to all you guys <3
In a great mood today, for w.e reason. hehe. 8)
This is an awesome thread dude, I've spent alot of my afternoon reading some of the post's on this thread. Also the plethora of rich information on the Grateful Dead scene & the overall chemistry of LSD is fantastic as some of it I was still unsure about, great stuff! :D
Regards
PlanB :)
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/\ Thank you much kind sir. +1 to you as well ;)
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Wow, @RaFaeL5, that plan of yours is hardcore!
Comedown sounds like a nightmare ... I do not think I have balls to do it :-(
+1 for sharing though.
It would be amazing to hear that many people can repeat this.
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Wow, @RaFaeL5, that plan of yours is hardcore!
Comedown sounds like a nightmare ... I do not think I have balls to do it :-(
+1 for sharing though.
It would be amazing to hear that many people can repeat this.
Now that I think of it,
I'm not sure many people (who are in a right state of mind) would be willing to knowingly repeat this "plan"... and yes, you're totally right: come down was a hell (but at that time that was not an issue for me - wow, times have changed since then)...
Anyway,
I'd be intersted in the reason why you'd like to be tripping 3 days in a row?
Is it to go to a festival, or because you'd like to experience it once, or..?
And why you would only use psychedelics (and not other products that have less/no psychedelic effect)?
cheers 2U
PS: also giving some +K to you guys...
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I found an LSD connect outside The Road!!! I just had to come share it here since I didn't wanna tell anyone else (I'm pretty secretive about my drug business,call me paranoid ::) )
They claim to lay the sheets themselves from some California Fluff crystal. I ate a little piece and tested some with an Ehrlich and its goooooood :)
Haven't had a consistent LSD source in YEARS
Good vibbess!
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My roomate wants to trip sometime in the next few days, however she is on wellbutrin, a Dopamine Re-uptake Inhibitor. We've already learn that alcohol is a BAD idea to mix with it. I'm curious though if she can trip properly on LSD though, seeing as how it affects the dopamine system a bit I wonder if this could lead to a reduced intensity trip, or possibly another dopamine overdose. Any ideas?
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My roomate wants to trip sometime in the next few days, however she is on wellbutrin, a Dopamine Re-uptake Inhibitor. We've already learn that alcohol is a BAD idea to mix with it. I'm curious though if she can trip properly on LSD though, seeing as how it affects the dopamine system a bit I wonder if this could lead to a reduced intensity trip, or possibly another dopamine overdose. Any ideas?
As retarded as it sounds I take wellbutrin recreationally from time to time.
The only interactions with psychedelics that I've seen are positive so I'd say have at it, although I am no doctor.
*edit* forgot that there is a lot of talk on the clearnet about how wellbutrin can cause seizures. I have never experienced this but apparently it's not uncommon.
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Wow, @RaFaeL5, that plan of yours is hardcore!
Comedown sounds like a nightmare ... I do not think I have balls to do it :-(
+1 for sharing though.
It would be amazing to hear that many people can repeat this.
Now that I think of it,
I'm not sure many people (who are in a right state of mind) would be willing to knowingly repeat this "plan"... and yes, you're totally right: come down was a hell (but at that time that was not an issue for me - wow, times have changed since then)...
Anyway,
I'd be intersted in the reason why you'd like to be tripping 3 days in a row?
Is it to go to a festival, or because you'd like to experience it once, or..?
And why you would only use psychedelics (and not other products that have less/no psychedelic effect)?
cheers 2U
PS: also giving some +K to you guys...
Festivals is the main reason. I do not do 100% of stages all the time, but I want to have an altered state most of the time with the option to top it up to the oblivion if I feel like it without having to go into crazy doses (e.g. if LSD requires 4x the dose of previous day than it is quite possible to get into 400ug - 1600ug - 6,400ug spiral - one sheet in a weekend feels like a waste :-) why psychedelics? because they the most insight and therefore enjoyment for me ... given tolerance building between many of them it makes it a challenge to devise an enjoyable, not taxing on my body (ideally) and insightful regimen.
I would really appreciate thoughts on how to approach it.
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For festivals I think ketamine is a great product (depending on how much you take you can alter the effects - see my specific post on "how I use my ketamine").
LSD is great as well, but taking 3x the original dose brings you quite quickly in dosages of above 10 blotters and that is not only quite expensive, but the acidity of 2000 microgram LSD is much more than of 200 microgram and that might be someting to keep in mind (-> GSE?).
Mushrooms are on option, just like mescaline - but I think those products are better used in nature/quite settings and not on a festival.
2C-B is certainly intersting, also GHB
Smoking some DMT is probably too intense on a festival and better enjoyed in quieter settings...
So why not:
day 1: LSD, then (with or without sleep) day 2: MDMA, 2C-B and if wanted end with GHB, then (with or without sleep) day 3: ketamine
You could add some (meth)amphetamine to the diet (to keep you awake/from eating - it also seems to boost some psychedelics such as LSD)... and off course, have plenty of weed/hash by hands at all times :-)
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My drugs of choice at festivals are LSD, MDMA/MDA, 2c-B, Hash an weed.
The first day of music (or whichever night has my favorite band) I'll drop the LSD, maybe with a little MDMA to keep me social.
Second night I usually eat some 2c-B for shits and giggles
Third night I usually eat some MDA and MDMA if i have both, I've been known to spontaneously eat more LSD the third night..
I don't usually get real fucked up during the day. During the day I might just have a few beers or swigs of whiskey, and smoke oil and weed with my neighbors. To me, daytime at festivals is for recuperating. Eat some food, smoke a lot of herb, meet everyone around you and get comfortable so when night rolls around, SHIT GETS WEIRD!
When I went to Waka a buddy I went with made a bunch of DMT before and brought it all, he's got a thing for K too, so all weekend he's blasting people off.
One morning we woke up to mimosas and K bumps. Classy
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Thank you, Mr. Charlie and RaFaeL5, +1 to both!!!
Your regimens are kinda similar, which suggests that either there is well-worked-out one already out there or you, gentlemen, are brothers in substances :)
Could you by any chance elaborate on doses ... and on ketamine? I was under impression that people use it for K-holing and then there are varying degrees of not getting enough to get to K-hole. Is it really something that is recreationally interesting?
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Thank you, Mr. Charlie and RaFaeL5, +1 to both!!!
Your regimens are kinda similar, which suggests that either there is well-worked-out one already out there or you, gentlemen, are brothers in substances :)
Could you by any chance elaborate on doses ... and on ketamine? I was under impression that people use it for K-holing and then there are varying degrees of not getting enough to get to K-hole. Is it really something that is recreationally interesting?
Its the regimen I've pretty much fallen into now that I've gone to a good share of festivals/camping events.
What you eat and how much is all up to personal preference, for instance, I like to get all groovy, but still be able to function pretty well and interact with everyone. So when I eat psychedelics I don't eat loads, tops 2-3 hits ( 200-300ug)
Lately I've been loving ~150ug of LSD and then about an hour later (when I'm just starting to feel the first waves) eat 125mg of MDMA
They blend perfectly IMO.
When I'm at a festival I try to take the next day easy. IF i eat drugs I'll go for just a little 2c-b or a little bit of mushrooms. For 2c-b I don't like anything under 20mg really. Everytime I've eaten 10-15mg it feels wavy and not very profound at all. Then my buddy gave me a 25mg cap once, it was like eating a few grams of shrooms and 90mg of MDA.
Sorry getting off track. I try to take a day of rest especially if I eat MDMA with LSD because MDMA floods your serotonin so i try to take at least one day to get my brain back on track. I'll take some supplements, eat some good food, fruit and protein.
For Ketamine, I don't do it enough to give out dosages. I hear railing 100mg lines are good for a solid K hole, but I've only K holed once, I normally do K when given to me by friends at shows, and I just do little key bumps. It feels like I'm drunk but more groovy, if that makes sense. Doesnt last long that way either.
Whatever festivals or events any of you are going to, Have fun and be safe! Remember, Hydrate or Die! :P
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I have a rather interesting question.
If cellulose is unable to be properly broken down by the human body, then why do we use a cellulose based "paper" for administration of LSD?
It seems that this practice would result in getting less LSD from the paper than was originally applied to it.
Can someone explain this to me? Am I correct in my assumptions? If not then how/why does it work?
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I have a rather interesting question.
If cellulose is unable to be properly broken down by the human body, then why do we use a cellulose based "paper" for administration of LSD?
It seems that this practice would result in getting less LSD from the paper than was originally applied to it.
Can someone explain this to me? Am I correct in my assumptions? If not then how/why does it work?
Paper is a shitty way to store acid,
but I don't think it has much to do with the cellulose - cellulose is what the coating of the cells are made of, and I don't think LSD is entering the cells, I think it's stored in between the cells - where you don't need to break down the cellulose to get to it...
If I'm mistaking I hope someone will correct me :-P
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Does anyone think that brushing your teeth and rinsing with an alcoholic mouthwash before dosing with blotter subliminally could cause you to absorb more and thereby make the trip stronger?
The other day I took a dose which I've taken many times before, and it was far and away the strongest and trip I've ever had--even stronger than anything I've ever read about or imagined in my wildest dreams.
I've put it down to tolerance (waiting a bit longer than I always did before between trips), but this time I happened to freeze the strip (in the past I've always just refrigerated), and I also brushed and rinsed as stated above and I'm considering making that a superstitous ritual in the future to try and see if there continues to be a difference.
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Does anyone think that brushing your teeth and rinsing with an alcoholic mouthwash before dosing with blotter subliminally could cause you to absorb more and thereby make the trip stronger?
The other day I took a dose which I've taken many times before, and it was far and away the strongest and trip I've ever had--even stronger than anything I've ever read about or imagined in my wildest dreams.
I've put it down to tolerance (waiting a bit longer than I always did before between trips), but this time I happened to freeze the strip (in the past I've always just refrigerated), and I also brushed and rinsed as stated above and I'm considering making that a superstitous ritual in the future to try and see if there continues to be a difference.
I don't know about the mouthwash,
but I know that - since all those RC's have hit the market - I don't keep the blotter in my mouth, I just swallow the piece of paper/gelatine/microdot at once and let the magic start from my stomach.
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We have quite the interesting discussion going on here. I'd like to give my take on a couple of
the issues presented.
Ketamine - A pre-dose dose of about 50mg, or another at onset, greatly decreases body load and improves mood, increases spacial distortion-type visuals on most psychedelics and other drugs.
Blotter - If done properly, does not make a huge drop in potency, although we can do better.
I'd like to see the plain-paper hits that we got in '96, just plain art paper, don't know if it was bleached or what. dioxin could damge LSD AFAIK. Pure cotton paper is supposed to be the best, because its washed so there is no dioxin, acid or bleach in the paper.
Stealth could be better with other methods than blotter, such as film or slides that are really doses!
What about if you were to get an envelope, and gelatin tabs were disguised as part of the packaging,
like under a laminated logo, on the letterhead? that would be stealthy as hell!
candy is a hit-or-miss administration method, I've heard L should be stored in neutral conditions,
with buffers, this is partially why excess tartaric acid isn't added during salting, they keep it at 2-3%
some candies in a 1 drop solution have a pH in the 2-3 range, not sure how well that goes over. I'd take a gummy bear over a pez any day, although my friend swears pez are the shit.
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@Mr. Charlie, thank you - I am hearing time and time again how people lovingly blend MDMA and LSD ... Also, there would appear to be a word that MDA is even better in this combo. Have you tried it? Another +1 for your wisdom shared!
And yes, ladies and gentlemen, "hydrate or die" is a very sound advice. Every time I seem to hear yet another terrible media story about MDMA death it all seems to boil down to overheating and dehydration.
@anothergirl, interesting observation, but I am very skeptical that it could play a positive role. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it most likely to be damaging the molecule as even a tiny quantity of chlorine present in normal water are destroying it (this is why you dilute with solvents or totally distilled water) and here we have fluoride, which I suspect would do the same (I am no chemist). Please chip in if I am talking rubbish.
If you got better effect then could it be that it was a different source and they have different dosing? Or your previous source was giving you rubbish product?
@GGGreenbud, thank you and +1. I am interested in your Ketamine recommendation - small doses to start with other psychedelics is not anything I have ever heard before. Why do you think this is working like that? I like your far fetched stealth ideas, by the way. The only issue that these might require serious industrial-level tech ... or do you think this could easily be done?
Be safe,
IM
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@anothergirl, interesting observation, but I am very skeptical that it could play a positive role. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it most likely to be damaging the molecule as even a tiny quantity of chlorine present in normal water are destroying it (this is why you dilute with solvents or totally distilled water) and here we have fluoride, which I suspect would do the same (I am no chemist). Please chip in if I am talking rubbish.
If you got better effect then could it be that it was a different source and they have different dosing? Or your previous source was giving you rubbish product?
It's gotta be tolerance.
Ever since I got my sheet of L from a very reputable vendor I've been so in love that I've only ever waited 2 or 3 weeks between trips, and this was the first time I ever waited longer.
Same source and same sheet, so it must be tolerance and maybe some uneven laying across the sheet.
One thing I will say is that I will ALWAYS wait at least a full month from now on rather than waste good acid by my impatience.
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wise words! why rush when you have an eternity?
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Hey every one. Just wanted to stop in and say hello to all my friends here and to say that i got some of Cher's micro-dots on the way.
I cant wait to give them fuckers a whirl. Itll be my woman and I, and a buddy and his lady friend. Ill be sure to write up a report :)
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@DB, that setting sounds promising :) awaiting!
In the meantime, for all of those who care for some details of what does into them, here are some summary tables showing how most popular psychedelic drugs impact our receptoromes:
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http://torimagesbp2vt3u.onion/i/I7dx.jpg
There is some very interesting insight for those who like combos, especially LSD + MDMA and many others.
If there are people who have good understanding of neuro pharmacology it would be great to hear your takes on this and implications for us.
Be safe,
IM
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Love to all my Synchro Trip 2013 brothers
Pink Floyd - Echoes
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Rock on brotha Floyd..
PF-Empty Spaces
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Love to all my Synchro Trip 2013 brothers
Pink Floyd - Echoes
right back at ya 8) +1 karma for you
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It was pointed out to me recently that I overlooked this fantastic thread, which is ironic because LSD is my all time favorite drug and the most important reason for me being on silk road to begin with. So, I have some reading to do and will start posting once I am caught up with the discussion.
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It was pointed out to me recently that I overlooked this fantastic thread, which is ironic because LSD is my all time favorite drug and the most important reason for me being on silk road to begin with. So, I have some reading to do and will start posting once I am caught up with the discussion.
welcome - welcome ... some great vibes here with less focus on vendors, promotions and scams :) the way LSD should be, really. Be safe, IM
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It was pointed out to me recently that I overlooked this fantastic thread, which is ironic because LSD is my all time favorite drug and the most important reason for me being on silk road to begin with. So, I have some reading to do and will start posting once I am caught up with the discussion.
welcome - welcome ... some great vibes here with less focus on vendors, promotions and scams :) the way LSD should be, really. Be safe, IM
Mr.Magnito, i could not have made this welcome any better than you have :)
Glad to have you here ConvergedL :-D I hope you enjoy the reading here as much as i have. I love all you beautiful people that frequent my thread, i couldnt have asked for more when starting this up. Much love guys
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heyooo!!! just wanted to pop in and show some support!
mad love DB. awesome thread :)
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I love my girl Lucy more and more every time I am with her. :) We hung out at fest Saturday and raged to Big Gigantic. What a magical night...
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heyooo!!! just wanted to pop in and show some support!
mad love DB. awesome thread :)
Hey IC! So glad youve FINALLY stopped in for some L time :-D
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I love my girl Lucy more and more every time I am with her. :) We hung out at fest Saturday and raged to Big Gigantic. What a magical night...
ExpAll, hows it going dude. Welcome to the bright side 8)
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I love my girl Lucy more and more every time I am with her. :) We hung out at fest Saturday and raged to Big Gigantic. What a magical night...
ExpAll, hows it going dude. Welcome to the bright side 8)
It's going great! Life is bright & beautiful. :) How about yourself?
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Hello fellow lucy lovers, what does everyone have planned for the weekend 8)
If all goes well with the planning I am hoping to drop 3 strawberry's tomorrow and see if I can get down that rabbit hole ;)
grtz DrW
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The two of us are splitting a 5-pack of red microdots, first time doing reg. L in a couple years.
I've been dabbling with the Alladin and Z analogues, but honestly while I haven't done
real acid in a couple years, by choice. I had half a sheet almost 3 years ago, but my buddy
ate the whole thing, it was winter, and I'm not much of a winter tripper. I'll trip in the winter,
don't get me wrong, but it has to be a social thing, though, and this will be the first time that me and
my mrs. will be doing any lysergic compound together. She did it back in university, but says she didn't
get visuals, although the product was supposedly good(?) I know the product back then was
extremely variable, perhaps the worst as far as consistency went.
I was heavily involved withthe street scene back then, so I had the luxury of having my doses pre-sorted, in that my street hustler friends wouldn't fuck me, and would actually tell me how clean the product was.
her uni. associates were from the same tribe as mine, so this will be very interesting.
I quit for a good long time, after i was consumed by hellfire for mixing it with DXM, creating
an insanely long peak, but it taught me a lesson, you CAN over-do it on two tabs sometimes.
Now that I am a Jedi/Shaman/Psychonaut for real, my faith and will are strong enough that
I am no longer afraid, there is a healthy amount of respect for LSD on my part, I mistreated
the compound, and that night with the DXM, she fought back. I have the scars to prove it,
but that will never happen again, ahead lies only slight vasoconstriction and a multitude of
visual distortions, followed by the crossing-over, the crux of the experience, when the third
eye opens fully, and the projections of the mind become reality, we transcend, and I am going
to attempt a true trance state, with the help of audio-visual stimulus as my mantra.
thump thump thump!
I'd love to hear what everyone else is doing, as well! any craziness! (I hope so)
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@GGG, that ^ is a pure poetry that!!! +1
May you find what you seek.
No plans to trip this weekend ... unfortunately.
Do you see AL-LAD and LSZ as a completely different set of substances that you intend to take along-side LSD in your life or are they just slight variations? I am very curious to try AL-LAD, since it allegedly has a shorter trip, but is it very different?
Be safe,
IM
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I love my girl Lucy more and more every time I am with her. :) We hung out at fest Saturday and raged to Big Gigantic. What a magical night...
ExpAll, hows it going dude. Welcome to the bright side 8)
It's going great! Life is bright & beautiful. :) How about yourself?
Just the same friend. Life's unbelievably OK right now, something that is quite rare for me.
Glad to have you here man.
On another note, i got my dots from cher the other day. If all goes as planned tn, and the missus is feeling better by tm night (soar throat), her, I, a frined & his gf will be dropping some. Stay tuned every one 8)
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I love my girl Lucy more and more every time I am with her. :) We hung out at fest Saturday and raged to Big Gigantic. What a magical night...
ExpAll, hows it going dude. Welcome to the bright side 8)
It's going great! Life is bright & beautiful. :) How about yourself?
Just the same friend. Life's unbelievably OK right now, something that is quite rare for me.
Glad to have you here man.
On another note, i got my dots from cher the other day. If all goes as planned tn, and the missus is feeling better by tm night (soar throat), her, I, a frined & his gf will be dropping some. Stay tuned every one 8)
That is always fantastically awesome to hear :D
Please do let us know how they are!! I am very interested. Never had the chance to try dots...
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I love my girl Lucy more and more every time I am with her. :) We hung out at fest Saturday and raged to Big Gigantic. What a magical night...
ExpAll, hows it going dude. Welcome to the bright side 8)
It's going great! Life is bright & beautiful. :) How about yourself?
Just the same friend. Life's unbelievably OK right now, something that is quite rare for me.
Glad to have you here man.
On another note, i got my dots from cher the other day. If all goes as planned tn, and the missus is feeling better by tm night (soar throat), her, I, a frined & his gf will be dropping some. Stay tuned every one 8)
That is always fantastically awesome to hear :D
Please do let us know how they are!! I am very interested. Never had the chance to try dots...
I certainly will! Ive been drooling over these miniscule bits of bliss for weeks now. I cant wait to try.
I have spoken with some buddies here that have had them ,and they have all said its not very clean. Yet, they are not particularly dirty, according to the general consensus. Keep your eyes peeled for my thoughts once ive tried them.
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I was wondering... would any of you guys be interested in 300-400 µg blotters? Or maybe even some 450 µg if I can fit it on there.
I've got this wonderful liquid that's just begging me to get out there and be put on blotters :p
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I am sure there will be a few people here ready to help you out :) I would buy a couple from you 8)
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I was wondering... would any of you guys be interested in 300-400 µg blotters? Or maybe even some 450 µg if I can fit it on there.
I've got this wonderful liquid that's just begging me to get out there and be put on blotters :p
Absolutely LOP! Ab-so-lutely :-D
Of coarse your prices per tab, esp on 1/4 and 1/2 sheets (if youll be able to do that), will ultimately dictate just how much interest there is. Either way you can rest assure, people will buy them. You can take that shit to the bank. LOL
Also, keep in mind that when shoppers see an LSD listing advertised at upwards of 400ug per tab, naturally they will be a bit skeptic as to just how accurate the dose is. A few sample tabs to reliable reviewers of your choosing, if you have the means and decide to do so, will quell any doubts that the skeptics may have and will render them highly unlikely to hesitate on placing the orders.
OR just lay a handful of tabs and do a quick trial listing at a discounted price, to accurately gauge the interest for them. Much love man.
EDIT; I just seen your page, you dont ship to US man?!?? :o Shame :'( That would increase your LSD clientele ten fold, at the least.
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I was wondering... would any of you guys be interested in 300-400 µg blotters? Or maybe even some 450 µg if I can fit it on there.
I've got this wonderful liquid that's just begging me to get out there and be put on blotters :p
Yes please! I love a 300-400ug dose.
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is this a good place to get feedback on a trip report or is there a specific thread for trip reports?
@LightofPi just tried first drop of your microdose vial, thanks a mil. wrote a little on microdosing thread.
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is this a good place to get feedback on a trip report or is there a specific thread for trip reports?
@LightofPi just tried first drop of your microdose vial, thanks a mil. wrote a little on microdosing thread.
If its LSD related, this is the place.
Though if your looking to provide LSD buyers with your rating and review of an L vendor, then the LSDAvengers thread would be the first place to post that. You can always re-post here as well.
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@GGGreenbud, thank you and +1. I am interested in your Ketamine recommendation - small doses to start with other psychedelics is not anything I have ever heard before. Why do you think this is working like that? I like your far fetched stealth ideas, by the way. The only issue that these might require serious industrial-level tech ... or do you think this could easily be done?
The ketamine idea came about by accident, really. Three of us would have about $20 each, and would buy a 10-strip and have enough left for a couple $10 caps of ketamine, no more. So we would just snort it, pop the tabs and hold on! I think the idea is that the glutamate release lowers BP and cortisol, without affecting catecholamine levels, along the lines of the anti-depressant dose of ketamine.
As for the ninja-stealth, gelatin is the obvious false-material, imagine a gel-cap filled with some kind of legal compound, and the gel cap IS the carrier! although we could take this deeper, and use some kind of celluloid photograph or postcard, or drop it onto those clear "sheets" that look like the breath strips, but have caffeine in them, which could be hidden under or in between layers of the envelope. I have a friend who has the most ingenious methods, one time he took a pack of cigarettes, and hid a strip in between the cardboard right next to the glue, so you had to tear apart the entire pack to even find the blotter! I don't think we would have to engineer some kind of polymer or anything like that.
One idea I was thinking of is with the microdots, if we could somehow get really high-tech and scaled down to the point of actually making them out of weighed grains of pure xtal, then coat them in sugar, they could be impregnated into raised lettering, or along perforations in form-letters. That way, the acid is IN the paper, but the paper isn't the carrier. I don't think it will ever come to this, as current methods seem adequate, and seeing the TINY size of the current microdots, I'm not really that concerned.
The one thing I am slightly concerned about is a spectrometer being used to identify LSD's tell-tale fluorescence by bombarding it with long-wave UV, and measuring the precise nM-wavelength of the backscatter, they can already do that with x-rays. I wouldn't put it beyond some countries to do something like that, or attempts to weaken it with a short-UV, x-rays or with chlorine gas, which is my major concern with blotter at the moment. They might not be able to completely destroy it, but they could weaken the doses considerably at low cost, using fumigation with halogen gasses or ozone. I almost wonder if some of the "lost potency" reported by some vendors could be a result of tampering by officials.
They really have a hard-on for LSD after all of these years, they are afraid because it carries with it a philosophy which is non-aggressive, and unites the human race in a wonderful experience. No other precursors or watched chemicals will bring the DEA to your door faster than those for LSD, not crack, not heroin, and surely not meth.
You really have to question why they don't want people using it, given that they've known since the 1950s that it does not spontaneously cause mental illness. I think it is because other than freaking out, you can't really pin LSD as a dangerous drug. It is to be respected, and it will bring the strongest man to his knees, but not more than that. There is a deeply ingrained idea in the minds of politicians and other cults of personality that the Ego, and standing behind even the worst mistakes without any sign of weakness or sincere apology, is a virtue, and that loss of control is to be avoided at all costs(unless you have alcohol to blame it on!)
Here's to the future! may it be painted day-glo with d-Lysergic Acid Diethylamide!
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@GGG, ever tried public speaking?
The only thing I miss from this picture is a barricade and a flag.
+1 - worthy of DPR's manifestos.
Be safe,
IM
UPDATE: Now I wonder what flag would it be :)
On a serious note, I think that if it was not for T. Leary's attempt to turn LSD into a political platform with such a massive appeal to youth we could be living in a lot more tolerant place. Aggression breeds aggression and despite all of his nods to buddhism his approach to compassion did scare some powers that be shitless and their knee jerked so bad that we still feel it 50 years later.
Lets not repeat that mistake, I say. We find ourselves in the world where some medical research on psychedelics is possible again. The idea that LSD can significantly improve quality of life of terminally ill patients via inducing deep personal religious experiences is no longer laughed at, Strassman was able to get taxpayers money to do his DMT work. We need more patience and men of knowledge to bring this to the surface, not some religious mass movement to freak them out again.
Rome wasn't built in a day. (the reverse is, of course, been proven to be wrong by Nero and Timothy)
Be safe,
IM
UPDATE 2: Sorry - no karma as I am in 72 hour moratorium.
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I finally caught up with the rest of this thread. Most of the copypastas (like the ChinaCat stories and the classic earlier texts on LSD indcluding the one on the first illicit synthesis that resulted in black goop) I had already read some time ago but it was nice to look through them again. There was still lots of new information and great discussion scattered throughout the thread.
Just a page or two ago I was a bit excited by LightOfPi's suggestion of higher-dosed tabs, but that was shortlived when it was determined he doesn't ship to the US :(
I did notice when I followed the links on tolerance several pages back, that there seemed to be some disagreement about 1 week mark. Most people seemed to agree that tolerance was mostly gone after 2 weeks (fairly close to 0%) but some people seemed to put tolerance at 120% after 1 week, while others put tolerance at 200% after 1 week. Personally, I think it is closer to 120% than 200%, but it might still be a bit higher than 120%.
The receptor affinity charts looked pretty useful so I saved those for later reference.
I think I will work on writing up a report for you all on my only (so far) really high dose LSD experience from a few years back (it was probably between 2-3mg, but it is hard to say because I could not verify the strength of the tabs and microdots used). I touched on this experience briefly in another thread in answer to someone else's question about high doses, but I think it deserves its full story told.
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This is my current situation and I thought you guys could help. I am posting this here and to the Avengers thread if that's okay.
I personally have studied the therapeutic/self-growth uses of psychedelics/LSD for about 2 years now, and It is really my passion to be able to give people these transformative type experiences. Conducting one-on-one psychedelic therapy is what I study mostly and would be a dream for the future, but for now this is the next best option.
Basically, I would like to start selling L at shows and festivals. not blotter , but using my vial to dose each person. Partly this will be to help me save up money to help pay living costs and save money to open an isolation tank center in the future. I would like to sell only maybe a vial or two a month MAX at shows . Going over that seems like is where trouble starts happening.
I was thinking if I bought 2 vials for $7-800, that's somewhere around $1200 profit. That + working a 30 hour a week job would be ideal and could let me start saving up. Keep in mind I am moved out living on my own. College is not in my interest right now at least, due to the fact that my real passion is psychedelic therapy /flotation tanks and a degree isn't needed.
Not the typical kid who likes to trip or just make money, I really do have similar beliefs for distributing the molecule as the "Family" had and similar intentions for doing this work besides just the money.
It brings me joy to give someone the opportunity of having this experience, and plus It can help pay a bit for rent. Do you think this is a do-able/realistic plan? I do not want to go over a vial or two a month trying to keep it small here. Wouldn't it be pretty safe to sell only at shows with just one vial in possession in concert environments? Anyone I even dare to talk to about this clearly thinks I am an idiot for even considering this , and I would appreciate if you could give me any tips or things to keep in mind. Thanks.
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Going to be eating 200ug-300ug and 100mg of MDMA tomorrow night
Might just do 100ug an 100mg, as I work the next morning, but my job is easy as shit. IDK, we'll see
Probably going to be doing the same Friday ( both nights are concerts)
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Going to be eating 200ug-300ug and 100mg of MDMA tomorrow night
Might just do 100ug an 100mg, as I work the next morning, but my job is easy as shit. IDK, we'll see
Probably going to be doing the same Friday ( both nights are concerts)
Make sure to take hella vitamins since you are taking MDMA without a large break!
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Hey DB ! how's it hanging.....glad to see you up and about...let us know how the trip goes... ;) peace
Hey FH, likewise brother. Hope all is well with you :)
Sadly guys, ive nothing to report about those dots. Me and my buddy did not really get anything out of them, some slight giggles, but tbh..they where weak. Maybe 100ug, which would seem isnt enough to get me to any place worth mentioning.
The girls had a great time though, as they are new to L. I can further elab on this after work tn. Much love guys.
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have any of you guys tried pimpit yet?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d0182b4473
I placed an order and his reviews seem to be racking up but I wanted to hear the forums opinion.
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Ok guys, well heres the run down on Chers microdots..
It was me and my trip partner, and our women. It was his gf's first time and my ladies 2nd. We dropped the dots at 10pm. With in 20min i began to feel the first waves of the come up tingle down my spine. By 11pm the come up was in full effect. I am able to judge the L according to the come ups characteristics, but i hold all judgement untill +2hrs.
So, by the come up, i determined that it was very clean LSD. There was zero body load what so ever. At the 2hr mark, i was able to definitively say that the dots are not nearly 130ug. Theres no chance of that. At all. I hardly ever drop less than 2-400ug, but when i do dose @ around 100ug..it always has me at a level that i am satisfied with. These dots by my estimation, my 10 pack any how, where no more than 80ug.
It was good, it was clean and it was a decent night, but i had zero OEV, not even breathing. After 4 hrs i was able to get really stoned and find some CEV when focusing hard enough behind my eyelids. Aside from some slight giggles and a constant grin, that was about the extent of my experience with them.
My girl had a blast, she couldnt stop laughing, at nothing for hours on end. She said she too had CEV, only she had no trouble seeing them when ever she closed her eyes. Her friend is not only a total idiot by my standards, but just isnt the type to appreciate or understand LSD in any way, shape or form. None of that by her own admittance, of coarse. heh. In spite of all that, she claimed to have felt it and said she had a good experience.
My buddies take on the L, is not worth mentioning as his summery of the product was in fact less fruitful than my own. I have 6 dots left, which i plan on disposing of via ingestion with in the next couple weeks. Ill likely give the wife 2 and ill indulge in the remaining 4. There shouldnt be any reason why a dose of 4 of them will not land me in a magical place. Cause like i said, the L is very clean. Some of the cleanest that ive had in a long while.
Well thats the post game report. Thanks for tuning in Lucy Lovers. 8)
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have any of you guys tried pimpit yet?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/d0182b4473
I placed an order and his reviews seem to be racking up but I wanted to hear the forums opinion.
Hey wave. I myself have not yet tried pimpit, but the avengers thread seemed to produce some good reports of his service and product quality.
When your order comes through please stop in and leave a brief overview of his L, along with your over all experience with him. Much love brother.
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Going to be eating 200ug-300ug and 100mg of MDMA tomorrow night
Might just do 100ug an 100mg, as I work the next morning, but my job is easy as shit. IDK, we'll see
Probably going to be doing the same Friday ( both nights are concerts)
Hey man. As EA suggested, be sure to pre load on lots of vitamins, as well as the morning after. It is essential to keeping your brain chemistry as balanced and abundant as possible when dosing MDMA in succession as you plan to do. Happy candy-flippn' 8)
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Well a few weeks ago I had my first 800-1000ug trip, and HOLY FUCKIN SHIT. Wildest shit I've ever seen on acid. I am still working on the trip report, but man, the visuals were exactly what I was looking for. I think that will be my last high dose for a while. I was up at a friends fishing camp and I wasn't in public. But simple tasks were extremely hard. I tripped with three other people and I couldn't even converse. After three words were said I would be too confused. Walking was pretty hard during the peak, it was an event to walk somewhere else. My closed eyed visuals were extremely intense and multiple times I felt myself drift away with my eyes closed listening to pink floyd. Time was going slower than it had ever felt before. I shit you not to me ,during the peak, 10 minutes felt like an hour.
In the end it was an awesome experience, but definitely needs to be done away from strangers and public, unless you can really handle your shit. I would like to dose high again in the future, but for now I will just stick to 2-4 tabs and some DMT to spice up the visuals.
PsychedelicSphere
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+1 PS.
Go hard or go home ;)
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Well a few weeks ago I had my first 800-1000ug trip, and HOLY FUCKIN SHIT. Wildest shit I've ever seen on acid. I am still working on the trip report, but man, the visuals were exactly what I was looking for. I think that will be my last high dose for a while. I was up at a friends fishing camp and I wasn't in public. But simple tasks were extremely hard. I tripped with three other people and I couldn't even converse. After three words were said I would be too confused. Walking was pretty hard during the peak, it was an event to walk somewhere else. My closed eyed visuals were extremely intense and multiple times I felt myself drift away with my eyes closed listening to pink floyd. Time was going slower than it had ever felt before. I shit you not to me ,during the peak, 10 minutes felt like an hour.
In the end it was an awesome experience, but definitely needs to be done away from strangers and public, unless you can really handle your shit. I would like to dose high again in the future, but for now I will just stick to 2-4 tabs and some DMT to spice up the visuals.
PsychedelicSphere
walking? talking? handling "shit"?
respect!!! +1
I would imagine that most people would get an ego death and would have an out-of-body state for a serious number of hours on this dose.
what was your goal for a dose like that?
Be safe, IM