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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Yareely on January 03, 2013, 11:25 pm

Title: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: Yareely on January 03, 2013, 11:25 pm
Hello everyone,

I really appreciate this forum and first of all please let me say that I really took my time researching as much as I could on my own (thanks to all the helpful guides stickied on this board). Unfortunately I'm now at a point where I could really use some assistance regarding two matters:

1. What is the best way to purchase bitcoins in my country (germany)? Is it safe to go for easy payment methods compromising anonymity due to the fact that purchasing BTC is not illegal? The BTC will go through several temporary wallets before arriving on SR so they couldnt be traced back to their original purchase?

2. I feel relatively comfortable using my real name and address for orders. Most of the suggested safer options like setting up fake ID packstations are not worth the hassle in my opinion, especially because I could imagine the consequences of getting of caught buying a small amount of weed are really not that awful (am I being too naive here?). Anyway, my concerns about using real name/address for purchases would be what the seller could possibly do with it. Assuming I pick a seller with a lot of good feedback, what risk am I taking here?

I would really be thankful for some assistance on this matter

Thanks!
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: captainofamerica on January 04, 2013, 12:04 am
Cant comment on the Germany BTC but I think you are better off using your real name/address or at least someone else's real name and address to accept the packages.  If you are popped picking up packages from an abondoned house, PO box in a fake name, its very tough to claim you didn't expect that package.  As for what the vendor would / could do with your info...how would they know its even real.  I wouldn't be worried about that myself.

Your milage may vary but this is my opinion.
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: SNSD on January 04, 2013, 12:34 am
Hey mate,

Not sure on the best way to get coins in Germany, but I would take the advice of shipping to your home with your own name. The point of this is to just blend in with your regular mail.


Also as a suggestion, budsupplies is a great vendor that would be ideal for you. He sells dutch weed at good prices, and it is shipped from Germany so would be domestic in your case :) I believe he is still on vacation right now though.
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: RoxiPal on January 04, 2013, 01:16 am
Great suggestion by SNSD, anytime you can keep your shipping domestic you'll sprout fewer gray hairs.

Also, from a random thread I read, it seemed as if Germany was the easiest country to open an anonymous PO Box.  But because that is a bit overkill for you, just make sure you use a real name and address, nothing fake or confusing.

Lastly, don't worry about vendors doing anything malicious with your address, all of the best never save them and promptly destroy any evidence of their business with you.
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: ontheregs on January 04, 2013, 02:27 am
Just pick a proper vendor in your area if you want to forgo any of the issues with customs.

Any vendors 3+ months with 95+ feedback and good reviews on the forums? It isn't a perfect guarantee but this is a good indicator they will be reliable now and in the future.

Not sure about German laws, but someone sent you drugs or whatever well I guess you can receive post in any country for any reason right? I mean if I had your address I could send you whatever right now.

Not a lawyer but I wouldn't worry much about it all just blend in because there are vendors who have done a ton of transactions over a few months and have great feedback so something must be working right.

I think the whole Amazon marketplace style of the road gets people psyched out for the experience which it seems overall the mailing is probably the least of your worry (but the longest of your wait :P).

Just a random opinion though nothing is 100% just be as safe as you can, PGP anything important and when you are ready dive in.

As far as addresses go, isn't this stuff like public tax record anyways? Google Maps? Drive your car around? Vendors don't really gain anything by having a name and address that correlates to a building somewhere that anyone could look up online as long as they have their btc most likely a package is on its way.
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: weezyfanarchist on January 04, 2013, 06:55 am
great info guys thanks for contributing to the comunity
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: Yareely on January 04, 2013, 02:13 pm
Thanks for all the quick and helpful responses so far.

Unfortunately no one seemed to have any information on question 1 yet. Really hope some germans drop by and help me out with that! But even if you don't have any details about getting BTC specifically in my country, could you maybe tell me in general if it would be safe to purchase BTC with paypal or other non anonymous online payment systems?
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: SNSD on January 04, 2013, 02:18 pm
You wont find anyone that would accept payment from paypal as it is a reversible transaction.

Check out localbitcoins. May be a better way for germany but i wouldn't know
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: WinterMoon on January 04, 2013, 05:01 pm
1. What is the best way to purchase bitcoins in my country (germany)? Is it safe to go for easy payment methods compromising anonymity due to the fact that purchasing BTC is not illegal? The BTC will go through several temporary wallets before arriving on SR so they couldnt be traced back to their original purchase?

Hello, I am not German but I found this site a few days ago.  I have never used the site and I have not done ANY research on the site but you can search this site for places to buy BTC in person in Germany:  https://localbitcoins.com/location/DE/Bonn/

Also, in case you did not know, you can buy BTC from SR vendors.  Some vendors accept payment via Western Union and Western Union has facilities in Europe (at banks and post offices):  http://corporate.westernunion.com/Europe_MiddleEast_Africa.html

Have you tried asking any German vendors for information about obtaining BTC?  This may be your best option ...

Hopefully some German members will come to your rescue ~ good luck & welcome to SR!
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: RoxiPal on January 04, 2013, 06:09 pm
More Germans are needed to rescue OP from his fears and inching worry (imagine that, more Germans!)
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: WinterMoon on January 04, 2013, 06:22 pm
More Germans are needed to rescue OP from his fears and inching worry (imagine that, more Germans!)

I changed my location to Germany and then selected domestic vendors - OMG - we are SO lucky here in the States to have SO many options and SO many vendors.  The Germans?  Not so much  :(
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: Yareely on January 05, 2013, 12:09 am
Yeah more germans would be great! Thanks for all your replies and kind words, I really appreciate it.

Still looking for a decent way to get BTC to SR, though.
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: F0rc3 on January 05, 2013, 12:18 am
Hi, ich werde im Laufe der Woche mir auch etwas weed bestellen.

Durch einen Bekannten kam ich an SR , er ist nach seinen Aussagen auch schon länger dabei. ( Bestellt öfters )

Er hat mir bitcoin-24.com empfohlen ( dort geht Sofortüberweisung , also Geld direkt da ) alternativ Bitcoin.de . Ich vermute auch mal das er die BTC direkt zu SR transferiert. ( Werde ich denke ich auch mal machen )
Wichtig ist halt innerhalb Deutschland. ( Kein Zoll )

mfg

PS: If English is requestet i can edit
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: Yareely on January 06, 2013, 01:21 am
Hi, ich werde im Laufe der Woche mir auch etwas weed bestellen.

Durch einen Bekannten kam ich an SR , er ist nach seinen Aussagen auch schon länger dabei. ( Bestellt öfters )

Er hat mir bitcoin-24.com empfohlen ( dort geht Sofortüberweisung , also Geld direkt da ) alternativ Bitcoin.de . Ich vermute auch mal das er die BTC direkt zu SR transferiert. ( Werde ich denke ich auch mal machen )
Wichtig ist halt innerhalb Deutschland. ( Kein Zoll )

mfg

PS: If English is requestet i can edit

Hört sich gut an werd ich mir definitiv mal anschaun. Sofortüberweisung wäre halt top weils schnell und unkompliziert ist. Danke dir vielmals für deine Hilfe! Direkt zu SR zu schicken wäre mir aber wohl zu unsicher und die BTC durch ein paar instawallets zu schicken ist ja auch wirklich keine große Sache.

Sorry for replying in german, don't mean to be rude.
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: Nightcrawler on January 06, 2013, 01:28 am
Hi, ich werde im Laufe der Woche mir auch etwas weed bestellen.

Durch einen Bekannten kam ich an SR , er ist nach seinen Aussagen auch schon länger dabei. ( Bestellt öfters )

Er hat mir bitcoin-24.com empfohlen ( dort geht Sofortüberweisung , also Geld direkt da ) alternativ Bitcoin.de . Ich vermute auch mal das er die BTC direkt zu SR transferiert. ( Werde ich denke ich auch mal machen )
Wichtig ist halt innerhalb Deutschland. ( Kein Zoll )

mfg

PS: If English is requestet i can edit

Hört sich gut an werd ich mir definitiv mal anschaun. Sofortüberweisung wäre halt top weils schnell und unkompliziert ist. Danke dir vielmals für deine Hilfe! Direkt zu SR zu schicken wäre mir aber wohl zu unsicher und die BTC durch ein paar instawallets zu schicken ist ja auch wirklich keine große Sache.

Sorry for replying in german, don't mean to be rude.

I don't see your reply in German as rude, but rather as helpful.  It's always better when someone whose first language isn't English can get help in their native tongue.

NC
Title: Re: Please help me out on my way towards my first purchase!
Post by: F0rc3 on January 06, 2013, 02:33 am
Direkt zu SR zu schicken wäre mir aber wohl zu unsicher und die BTC durch ein paar instawallets zu schicken ist ja auch wirklich keine große Sache.

Ja das Problem daran ist, du bezahlst dafür auch etwas BTC 1-3% z.b . Und soweit ich weiß werden BTC die zu SR gesendet werden nochmal verschlüsselt ( oder so ähnlich ) , aber es kommt auch darauf an wieviel du bestellen willst. Wenn du nur für Eigenbedarf kaufst , sagen wir mal 10-20 Gram , würde ich nicht so eine Arbeit machen^^.

Hier sind noch paar Links ( Englisch ), wo es ums senden der BTC zu SR geht.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=100303.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=99019.0

mfg