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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: ValiantExplorer on November 01, 2012, 09:14 pm
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Apparently our good and helpful Pine isn't answering. I already sent her a message.
Can somebody please have an encrypted conversation with me? :). I promise to help at least 1 other Forum member test/learn GPG, as I believe this is the good thing to do anyway.
My public key is:
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Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)
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=9pwO
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)
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=TvFv
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
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Thank you psychOnaut! :). It works indeed. Could you also send a signed message? You sent a message encrypted by my public key only, but not signed by you.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
- -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)
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-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Hm. You got me here. I have no idea how to decrypt this message. I thought you send your Public key and sign with your key. But when I place your message in the clipboard, it gives an error and says that there is no PGP data.
Let's try it this way: use the Public key I just posted in the first message and decrypt the following message (I encrypted it with my public key and also signed it with it). Tell me if it works:
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Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)
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=xqzb
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
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You dont hVe to sign you msg.
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And if I do? Does it make it impossible to decrypt by you guys? I'm not sure if signing involves the Private Key.
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And if I do? Does it make it impossible to decrypt by you guys? I'm not sure if signing involves the Private Key.
The previous example you were having problems with was encrypted, after which it was PGP-clearsigned. This is NOT standard procedure. Rather standard procedure is to BOTH sign and encrypt in one operation. As a general rule, with very few exceptions, you NEVER SIGN ANYTHING. The reason for this is a property possessed by valid signed messages known as non-repudiability. Once the signature on a signed message verifies, it is afterwards impossible to disavow it as a forgery. For example, if you were so unwise as to sign a message sent to a vendor rgarding an order, and this message were somehow to be intercepted, you would not be able to disavow the message as a forgery.
Encrypting a message only requires having someone's public key. Signing, on the other hand, requires the private key and passphrase.
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Apparently our good and helpful Pine isn't answering. I already sent her a message.
Can somebody please have an encrypted conversation with me? :). I promise to help at least 1 other Forum member test/learn GPG, as I believe this is the good thing to do anyway.
My public key is:
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (MingW32)
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-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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Yeah I am a PGP noob too and I don't know how to encrypt and sign at the same time. Besides, I didn't give you my public key.
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Nightcrawler, thank you for the message & warning. However, you should not worry, as I was not so stupid to create a Yahoo address in the ClearNet. It was created via TOR, so I don't think I will have any problem.
Even so, your comment still stands so I will completely dump that address and use a tormail instead. Thank you again!
EDIT: @psych0naut: in order to encrypt + sign, you have to check the sign checkbox, at least that's what I did. But as Nightcrawler says, we shouldn't sign anyway. He has a very good explanation as to why: at least you can claim forgery if you don't sign.
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Ok, thank you.
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Nightcrawler, thank you for the message & warning. However, you should not worry, as I was not so stupid to create a Yahoo address in the ClearNet. It was created via TOR, so I don't think I will have any problem.
Even so, your comment still stands so I will completely dump that address and use a tormail instead. Thank you again!
EDIT: @psych0naut: in order to encrypt + sign, you have to check the sign checkbox, at least that's what I did. But as Nightcrawler says, we shouldn't sign anyway. He has a very good explanation as to why: at least you can claim forgery if you don't sign.
Clearnet email accounts through Tor are ok, provided that you remember to use Tor each and every time, from setup onward. Remember LulzSec's Sabu was identified by the FBI after he failed to use Tor just once, prior to logging-on to an IRC channel that the FBI monitored. Once they got his real IP address, his goose was cooked.
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psychOnaut: if you share your public key I can send you a test message.
Nightcrawler: I created that address, this nickname and everything related, specifically for SR. They're 5 days old, have no connection whatsoever with the true me. Of course, I would never log on that address on the clearnet. Even so, truth be told, you have a point anyway. I can't trust Yahoo. They could squeeze some fancy plugin to get more data on me. Of course, I'm using the TOR browser which has all manner of stops in it, but you never no. I'm not very paranoid, but I know I *HAVE TO BE*, when I'm here. So, I'm gonna dump that anyway and switch to TOR Mail. Thank you.
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psychOnaut: if you share your public key I can send you a test message.
Nightcrawler: I created that address, this nickname and everything related, specifically for SR. They're 5 days old, have no connection whatsoever with the true me. Of course, I would never log on that address on the clearnet. Even so, truth be told, you have a point anyway. I can't trust Yahoo. They could squeeze some fancy plugin to get more data on me. Of course, I'm using the TOR browser which has all manner of stops in it, but you never no. I'm not very paranoid, but I know I *HAVE TO BE*, when I'm here. So, I'm gonna dump that anyway and switch to TOR Mail. Thank you.
You've no idea just how glad I am to hear that. I wish everyone, especially the newbies, devoted as much forethought to security as you do. Unfortunately, whenever I see a clearnet email address, I naturally have to assume the worst. Particularly of late, what seems to be happening here is newbies getting so excited at finding this place, they just dive in without giving so much as a second's thought to security. Frankly, it's depressing, sometimes.
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It's good you assumed the worst. This way, I learned about TOR Mail. It's good we got people like you to guard our safety. Makes me feel better about the community in general.
I'm also quite enthusiastic to be here, but the friend who told me about SR is also a careful guy so I had a good example. I almost rushed to buy BitCoin. I'm glad I decided to be patient and read stuff on the Forums, ask when I don't understand something. Saved me from an "unknown quantity of trouble" :).
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Guys dont put any real Info on your info. Maybe your SR name but thats it.. Dont mess with making a email to somewhere u will really use.. Check out mailinator.com you can make up whatever wild name u want as soon as u think of it, u dont need a password or nothin g to get it no sign up. You just make up a email say " Sr@mailinator.com just by giving that to someone they can email it even though it is not a registerd email and all u would have to do is go to the site and check it. But As I and another Said do not Sign your key at all!!! There is no need. That nly verfyfies you are the person who made that key, Only time a Key should be sign IMO is if you have a few friends u trully know and are just goofing around or whatever, Not for SR though. If you need some help or wanna send a few Msgs just for practice let me know my key is...
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