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God damn me.... :(
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God damn me.... :(
An opposing point of view....
Monday 15 October 2012
Brendan O’Neill
Savile: the mad hunt for a conspiracy of witches
http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/12973/
With its contagion of accusation and counter-accusation, the Savile scandal has exposed the Salem-style irrationalism of the modern elite.
With each passing day – hour, in fact – the Jimmy Savile scandal looks more and more like a modern-day version of the hysteria that gripped seventeenth-century Salem, when a small town in Massachusetts became convinced that it had witches in its midst. Since the first accusations of child abuse were made against the late BBC entertainer in an ITV documentary on 3 October, Britain’s chattering classes have become consumed by a witch-hunting mentality, with almost every respectable institution, from the BBC to the NHS to the child-protection industry, finding itself dragged into a vortex of Savile-related suspicion and rumour, accusation and counteraccusation.
So as in Salem, Savile-obsessed modern Britain has its alleged conspiracy of witches, in the shape of Savile himself, described by the Guardian as ‘the devil who tries, and succeeds, in passing himself off as a saint’, alongside other named or hinted-at individuals. Together, these ‘blood-curdling child catchers’ (Guardian again) apparently ‘stalked children’s homes and hospitals… preying on the most vulnerable victims one could imagine’. They were part of a ‘child sex ring’, say the tabloids, which ‘lurked’ deep within ‘the corporation’ (the BBC). Savile was even worse than JK Rowling’s Voldemort, journalists tell us; he was a beast more wicked than could have been imagined by ‘even the most gifted weavers of children’s nightmares’.
We also have hysterical, mob-like attacks on the alleged witches, as in Salem. Being dead, Savile can’t be dragged into a showtrial and hanged, as the witches of Salem were, but he can be subjected to a posthumous trial by media, in which every claim made about him is instantly taken as good coin. His former home and grave have been attacked by whipped-up, witch-fearin’ individuals: the plaque on his house in Scarborough was daubed with the words ‘paedophile’ and ‘rapist’, and according to one broadsheet report, serious feminists had a serious discussion about ‘desecrating Savile’s grave’ – an eerie modern echo of the respectable women, turned wild-eyed, who joined in Salem’s hunt for witches. Savile’s gravestone has now been dismantled (and ‘ground to dust’); a statue of him has been taken down in Glasgow; and in response to the ‘cesspit of claims’ made about him, the BBC has purged from the historical record a 1985 edition of Desert Island Discs on which he featured. Britain must be scrubbed clean of all trace of this terrifying evildoer.
And in the most striking echo of Salem, the initial fingerpointing at Savile has descended into fingerpointing at others; at everyone; at those who knew about his abuse but said nothing, and those who didn’t know about it but should have; against the ‘complicit’, the ‘silent’, the ‘enablers’, the ‘accomplices’. In The Crucible, his 1952 play about the Salem witch trials which was also a not-so-veiled attack on the anti-Communist McCarthyite witch-hunts of 1950s America, Arthur Miller sought to capture the ‘contagion of accusation and counteraccusation’ that gripped Salem; the ‘ritualistic, public denunciations’ of witch-like behaviour which led to almost everyone becoming an object of suspicion (1). And so it is in the Savile era, where huge chunks of the ruling classes are falling victim to a contagion of blame and denunciation.
The speed with which even much-respected institutions have been sucked into the Savile suspicion is startling. In less than a fortnight, accusations of child abuse against Savile have transmogrified into accusations of institutional corruption and sexism against the BBC; accusations of neglect against the NHS (at whose hospitals Savile is alleged to have fondled girls); and accusations of complicity against doyens of the child-protection industry, including Esther Rantzen of ChildLine.
So the BBC is now depicted as a nest of ‘enablers’ of child abuse, as an outwardly respectable institution that has a perverted core, with rumours that ‘BBC employees were helping to procure underage girls for Savile’. The BBC has kickstarted two internal inquiries, one into the claims about Savile’s behaviour, and one into itself, into its entire ‘culture and practices’ during the time Savile worked there – from the 1960s to the 1990s.
The infection of Esther Rantzen with the contagion of Savile suspicion shows how even trusted figures of authority can fall victim to Salem-style hysteria. Rightly or wrongly (mostly wrongly in my view), Rantzen has for years been treated as an authoritative, trustworthy voice on the issue of child protection. Yet now, in the space of days, she has become cloaked in suspicion, ritualistically denounced in front-page tabloid exposés as being ‘complicit’ in Savile’s crimes for her failure to act on rumours about his behaviour. In a sense, she’s being eaten up by the child-abuse panic she herself did much to ignite over the past two decades. But this is not the time for Schadenfreude. That even Rantzen can be so severely rattled in this fashion shows that no person or institution, no established norm, is safe when an hysterical hunt for ‘evildoers’ and ‘child catchers’ is thoughtlessly unleashed by the elite.
The most dramatic fall from grace – or descent into what the BBC calls the ‘cesspit of claims’ – belongs to the NHS. Three months ago, the NHS was being celebrated at the Olympics opening ceremony as Britain’s greatest-ever creation. Dancing nurses were shown protecting pyjama-wearing urchins from Voldemort and other evil entities. But now, for allegedly allowing or turning a blind eye to Savile’s ‘stalking’ of hospitals and his ‘preying’ upon ‘the disabled and the brain-damaged’, the NHS is Voldemort – or it is at least being discussed in the same breath as Voldemort, in the same breath as Savile’s allegedly Voldemort-style, industrial-scale abuse of children, which was apparently worse than anything dreamt up by ‘even the most gifted weavers of children’s nightmares’. And so, one by one, cornerstone institutions of the modern British elite – the NHS, the Beeb, the child-abuse industry – fall into the cesspit of suspicion surrounding Savile, pushed there by the very people who normally sing the praises of such institutions. Nothing and no one, it seems, can escape the scorched-earth consequences of what Arthur Miller described as that contagious, witch-fearing process whereby ‘people are torn apart, their loyalty to one another crushed’ (2) – which took hold in the witch panic of seventeenth-century Salem, in the Communist panic of 1950s America, and now in the paedophile panic of modern Britain.
What is going on here? How, in less than a fortnight, have claims about the historical behaviour of one dead man given rise to handwringing about widespread institutional corruption and to claims that ‘evil’ is at large in our society and communities? Clearly, this is about more than Savile. We need to distinguish between what Savile is alleged to have done, which sounds pretty sordid, and what Savile has become in public discussion over the past two weeks: a metaphor, a symbol of corruption, an archetypal, almost caricatured paedophile, on to which the opinion-forming classes can project their misanthropic suspicion and distrust of institutions and people and pretty much everything.
One of the most striking things about the Savile hysteria is the explicit attempt to make the opportunistic behaviour of a handful of individuals sound like something structured, organised, a ‘ring’. Just as the eccentric behaviour of girls in Salem was held up as evidence of the existence of a coven of witches, so the alleged sordid behaviour of Savile and others is discussed as a ‘sex ring’. Likewise, everything from sexist language at the BBC to Savile’s alleged rape of a young girl, everything from Savile’s ‘wandering hands’, where he rested his hands on a girl’s ‘shoulder, back, arm for two, three or four seconds too long’, to his alleged abuse of a brain-damaged girl, is now lumped together as part of his ‘paedophilia’. It seems everything from saying ‘nice tits’ to a female DJ to hugging a 14-year-old girl too tightly on Top of the Pops to having sex with someone under 16 can now all be packaged up as evildoing, as child abuse. The conflation of very different kinds of behaviour, and the branding of them as part of a conscious, coven-like determination to do evil and corrupt youth, speaks to a pretty see-through attempt to depict Savile’s alleged crimes as evidence of a sinister streak coursing through every institution and through society itself. One piece on Savile quotes Sue Berelowitz, Britain’s deputy children’s commissioner, as saying: ‘There isn’t a town, village or hamlet in which children are not being sexually exploited.’
There it is; this is where we get to the rotten heart of the Savile hysteria. The Savile story is really a vessel for the cultural elite’s perverted obsession with child abuse, and more importantly its belief that everyone is at it – that in every institution, ‘town, village and hamlet’, there are perverts and innocence despoilers, casually warping the next generation. In modern Britain, the figure of The Paedophile has become the means through which the misanthropes who rule over us express their profound fear and suspicion of adults in general, and also of communities and institutions – even of the institutions they hold dear, such is the self-destructive dynamic triggered by the unleashing of the Salem ethos. If Savile had never existed, the chattering classes would have had to invent him, so perfect an encapsulation is he of their degenerate view of the whole of adult society today.
Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked. Visit his personal website here.
N.B.: Some media reports have stated that Savile's headstone was, in fact, smashed and the fragments sent to a landfill.
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I am not taking the pillock view of the BBC being lynched and that. I just think the stats of over 200 victims is mind blowing if it's accurate. The guy is dead so nothing can be done but I find it bizarre that the victims aren't the focus really.
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I am not taking the pillock view of the BBC being lynched and that. I just think the stats of over 200 victims is mind blowing if it's accurate. The guy is dead so nothing can be done but I find it bizarre that the victims aren't the focus really.
I would prefer "alleged victims" -- we don't know what, if anything, actually happened. That said, it has been reported that:
UK police launch formal probe into BBC star sex abuse case
British police have opened a formal investigation into the sexual abuse of about 200 underage victims by several people, including former BBC star Jimmy Savile. He died last year at the age of 84. Following a fortnight of collecting information, the case status was changed from ‘assessment’ to a formal criminal investigation. The probe will look into the cases of those suspects who are still alive.
If kids were abused, they have my sympathy. They should be provided counselling and help with any mental health issues that they may be dealing with.
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
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I am not taking the pillock view of the BBC being lynched and that. I just think the stats of over 200 victims is mind blowing if it's accurate. The guy is dead so nothing can be done but I find it bizarre that the victims aren't the focus really.
Yeah i agree.
I cant even look at the guy when he appears on the news reports anymore.
How the fuck could anyone turn a blind eye to at least one accusation made against him.
I know the guy is dead now but fuck me, i have said it before and will say it again, bring the death penalty to the UK.
We should do like in the middle east even - get caught stealing = cut off a fucking hand, get caught with rape = chop you know what next.
Sorry if this was a rant, but it pisses me off whenever i see or hear that cunts name.
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
Sort of like being caught between a rock and a hard place in the extreme.
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
This is my last post on this matter, but seriously that shouldnt be joked about. Your talking about two fully grown men who rape kids. To "mock" the situation just makes other possible pedophiles out there think it could be "okay" to do it.
Sorry if it sounds like i'm on a high horse here but, you guys shouldnt discuss it anymore, because you will end up with every perv fucking troll on the internet turning this into something it definitely fucking shouldnt be.
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
This is my last post on this matter, but seriously that shouldnt be joked about. Your talking about two fully grown men who rape kids. To "mock" the situation just makes other possible pedophiles out there think it could be "okay" to do it.
Sorry if it sounds like i'm on a high horse here but, you guys shouldnt discuss it anymore, because you will end up with every perv fucking troll on the internet turning this into something it definitely fucking shouldnt be.
OK, fair enough. I admit that joking about a Savile / Glitter spit roast was in bad taste. I'll desist. Hows about that then?
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
This is my last post on this matter, but seriously that shouldnt be joked about. Your talking about two fully grown men who rape kids. To "mock" the situation just makes other possible pedophiles out there think it could be "okay" to do it.
Sorry if it sounds like i'm on a high horse here but, you guys shouldnt discuss it anymore, because you will end up with every perv fucking troll on the internet turning this into something it definitely fucking shouldnt be.
Ok, let's not discuss it anymore, because it might encourage paedophiles. Why stop there, however?
- Let's ban cameras, because paedophiles use 'em.
- Let's burn all the children's clothing catalogs because paedophiles might get the wrong ideas. They won't be needed, anyway.
- Let's dress all children in black burquas from head to foot with only two eye-holes, lest paedophiles become aroused at the sight of a child.
- Let's ban cars because paedophiles and child abductors use 'em.
- Let's shut down the Internet because paedophiles use it.
By all means, however, let's keep _up_ the witchhunt.
The Mirror is doing an admirable job, in this regard, no doubt to be followed by the rest of Fleet Street:
Paedophiles in power: MP claims child sex ring had links to Downing Street
The Mirror can reveal a top level inquiry was launched a week ago into a possible paedophile gang at the heart of government
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-scandal-tom-watson-1398159
Here's a solution for you -- why not just ask the Russians to just nuke the entire UK? That will solve your paedophile problem once and for all.
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
This is my last post on this matter, but seriously that shouldnt be joked about. Your talking about two fully grown men who rape kids. To "mock" the situation just makes other possible pedophiles out there think it could be "okay" to do it.
Sorry if it sounds like i'm on a high horse here but, you guys shouldnt discuss it anymore, because you will end up with every perv fucking troll on the internet turning this into something it definitely fucking shouldnt be.
OK, fair enough. I admit that joking about a Savile / Glitter spit roast was in bad taste. I'll desist. Hows about that then?
I thought it was quite funny AhoyHoy, my friend sent me a funny Savile joke the other day and twas most amusing!
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
This is my last post on this matter, but seriously that shouldnt be joked about. Your talking about two fully grown men who rape kids. To "mock" the situation just makes other possible pedophiles out there think it could be "okay" to do it.
Sorry if it sounds like i'm on a high horse here but, you guys shouldnt discuss it anymore, because you will end up with every perv fucking troll on the internet turning this into something it definitely fucking shouldnt be.
OK, fair enough. I admit that joking about a Savile / Glitter spit roast was in bad taste. I'll desist. Hows about that then?
I thought it was quite funny AhoyHoy, my friend sent me a funny Savile joke the other day and twas most amusing!
Aw fuck it. Go on Lim, tell me the joke, tell me the joke...
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OK, fair enough. I admit that joking about a Savile / Glitter spit roast was in bad taste. I'll desist. Hows about that then?
Sorry if i seemed a bit too serious for you guys, its nothing personal, its just the subject matter grates on me thats all.
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OK, fair enough. I admit that joking about a Savile / Glitter spit roast was in bad taste. I'll desist. Hows about that then?
Sorry if i seemed a bit too serious for you guys, its nothing personal, its just the subject matter grates on me thats all.
Interesting. The strong reaction may result from having been buggered by Jimmy's cigar when you were young. Otherwise, you may be a repressed paedophile. (Only joking bud).
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I liked the bit where they described the BBC as a glorified paedophile ring. True enough though. One woman described going into Jimmy Saville's dressing room and seeing Gary Glitter there. She is definitely going home with a sore arse after that fuckin' encounter.
This is my last post on this matter, but seriously that shouldnt be joked about. Your talking about two fully grown men who rape kids. To "mock" the situation just makes other possible pedophiles out there think it could be "okay" to do it.
Sorry if it sounds like i'm on a high horse here but, you guys shouldnt discuss it anymore, because you will end up with every perv fucking troll on the internet turning this into something it definitely fucking shouldnt be.
OK, fair enough. I admit that joking about a Savile / Glitter spit roast was in bad taste. I'll desist. Hows about that then?
I thought it was quite funny AhoyHoy, my friend sent me a funny Savile joke the other day and twas most amusing!
Aw fuck it. Go on Lim, tell me the joke, tell me the joke...
Lol what is the worst advice to sort out your childs cuts and bruises?
Put some Savile-on it!
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What the fuck have you lot done to me, i actually giggled at that Lim you fucking mofo.
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One thing that was not reported on by the BBC was that Jimmy Saville was actually the manager of the England U-16s team.
Although he was dismissed just a week after his hiring due to trying to put Seaman in the starting 11.
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One thing that was not reported on by the BBC was that Jimmy Saville was actually the manager of the England U-16s team.
Although he was dismissed just a week after his hiring due to trying to put Seaman in the starting 11.
LMAO
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What do you call a Spanish 14 year old girl?
The Gem of Savile... :P
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I don't believe these allegations against Jimmy Savile. I met him in Leeds General Hospital in the 1980s and he seemed very nice.
Next people will be telling me he wasn't qualified to perform my prostate examination.
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The Panorama program was full of old BBC men making feeble excuses why they didn't report Savile even though they forwell knew what was going on. One of them even said it wasn't only the BBC, it was the media who knew of Savile's child abuse. Conveniently ignoring the fact that it wasn't other media outlets but the BBC that employed Savile, and gave him access to children, status, and power.
The BBC was a haven for sickos like Savile, the BBC's deplorable attitude is unconcerned with justice for his victims, but all about how to selfishly protect the power and reputation of the BBC, as the emails published on Panorama clearly showed. Their single concern was how it would damage their reputation, one of them even attempt to justify Savile's actions, saying because some of the victims were teenagers they weren't 'too young'. Savile clearly had his protectors and fellow child abusers at the BBC. As the victims on the program stated, it was BBC employers as well as Savile who operated a paedo ring. It's disgusting, every single one of them should be brought to justice.
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What I don't get is why everyone's so fucking surprised, he practically admits it on the "Louis Theroux meets" he did twelve fucking years ago.
I am willing to bet this story is FAR from over.
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What I don't get is why everyone's so fucking surprised, he practically admits it on the "Louis Theroux meets" he did twelve fucking years ago.
I am willing to bet this story is FAR from over.
Yeah I wasn't surprised but the numbers are fairly staggering with up to 200+ potential victims. But yeah this wont be going away any time soon.
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The official police statement this morning included a warning that there are to be 'imminent high profile arrests'.
Who's next then? Any bets?
Freddie Starr?
Dave Lee Travis?
Brucie?
Jimmy Cricket?
The fucking Crankies?
Rod Hull? (Well, we all know he likes fisting birds)
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Freddie Starr is being questioned by police tomorrow I think. He was allegedly present during at least one incident.
We're gonna see a lot of big names coming out in the next few weeks.
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Rod Hull? (Well, we all know he likes fisting birds)
I fell of my fucking chair when i read this. You sicko bastard lol thats a part of my child hood history just gone down the drain, THANKS lol.
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The official police statement this morning included a warning that there are to be 'imminent high profile arrests'.
Who's next then? Any bets?
Freddie Starr?
Dave Lee Travis?
Brucie?
Jimmy Cricket?
The fucking Crankies?
Rod Hull? (Well, we all know he likes fisting birds)
Guaranteed Freddie Starr and also, have we forgotten Jim Davidson? He's clearly a nonce.
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Did i hear correctly on the news that Freddie Star is trying to clear Saviles name already???