Quote from: flwrchlds9 on January 24, 2013, 09:43 amQuote from: inigo on January 24, 2013, 04:59 amYeah I guess there's just no way to win. If you want to carry a cell phone, your signing away your right to privacy. What a bummer. Hopefully we can come up with a better way to communicate that doesn't reveal our location at all times.Yes, this is basically correct. the carrier always knows where you are and can see where you be. LE can ask them or hack them or force them to snitch. In the majority of cases, LE doesn't need to either ask nor hack the carrier. Many carriers have setup up law enforcement portals, so all an officer has to do to get the information they want is to fire up their browser, log into the portal, and access the user location data. Carriers started doing this when the number of information requests got to be too high to be handled manually any longer. Quote from: flwrchlds9 on January 24, 2013, 09:43 amStingray is not new tech, it a little older in order of this kind tech. It act as cell site, so all phones in area connect to it, and give their ID to register. very simple idea. can clone existing tower id to prevent custom software from noticing new tower id, no reliable way to detect this with only cell phone. would need high end signal processing/signal analysis equipment. then possible person could see 'normal' propagation pattern for said tower ID and have software alert when this changes. it possible to detect use but not simple with cellphone.this kind survail need man power and dedicated resources so use on big investigation/spy etc. more easy for le to get info from carrier.Agreed. Nightcrawler <Nightcrawler@SR>PGP-Key: 4096R/BBF7433B 2012-09-22Key fingerprint = D870 C6AC CC6E 46B0 E0C7 3955 B8F1 D88E BBF7 433BPGP Key: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=174.msg633090#msg633090