Quote from: CarlJung_Forum on November 18, 2012, 07:29 am "Your place in the que is determined by Medical Need." You cant be that naive as to think it will stay that way. That's what they tell you at the beginning, but what soon becomes common-knowledge is that sex, money and power goes a long way in getting to the top of that waiting list. I can't believe in this day and age people think that this power - if one is on a Death Panel - will not be leveraged by those with the power for their own corrupt gains. What wouldn't you do to save the life of a loved one? Would you suck your Senator's cock? Send your daughter or son to do it if it saves your baby's life? This situation is the first-fruit of any fascism that dictates thru the government these life-and-death decisions made anonymously. See WWII communications to Gestapo members that will include letters demonstrating the power an anonymous beuracrat had, and the corruption was unending.I haven't read such a load of delusional tripe in a long, long time -- Death Panels? Gestapo? If you want to see REAL death panels, look no further than the U.S. insurance industry. If I remember correctly, it was Dr. Nancy Carvalho, then working for Humana, who denied a patient an expensive treatment (surgery) that would have saved the patient's life. She saved Humana on the order of $5 million dollars, and was promoted. (Her conscience later got the better of her, and she later quit. She testified as to this before Congress.) I know our system works based on personal and family experience. My wife's experience was one thing; I also have a friend who got a new liver last year, and about a dozen years ago a distant relative also got themselves an organ transplant. If both my friend and relative had lived in the U.S., they would have died, as they would have been considered uninsurable. I'll grant you our system isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than what you have down in the States. I'll gladly put up with a waiting list as opposed to having 15% of the population without any real access to healthcare. Nightcrawler