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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: kmfkewm on June 26, 2013, 07:10 pm
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First it was the thread on the NSA illegal spying program, which I know must have been deleted by a mod because the OP reposted it and then it was deleted again. Then it was the thread on how to anonymize and encrypt telephone calls. Now it is the thread on Tor versus the NSA. None of these threads have been controversial at all, and no explanation has been given as to why they were mysteriously deleted. Are we not supposed to talk about the capabilities of the NSA? Are we not supposed to talk about how to secure telecommunications? I would like to know the general reasoning why these threads are being deleted, because I am sick of investing time in writing posts only to see them vanish without any explanation.
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Are you sure they aren't just being moved to other boards?
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I suppose that they could be being moved to sub forums that I don't have access to, but it seems that they are being deleted as my post history doesn't show that I have posted in any of them. I did make a reply to the original NSA thread that ended up being moved to off topic and not deleted, but the OP reposted the thread and PMed me that it was deleted again. The other threads are either being moved into a sub forum I don't have access to or they are being deleted or dropped from the database somehow. I was a bit surprised honestly, considering there was absolutely nothing controversial in any of the threads, and I have never seen threads deleted here before, but over the past couple of days there have been at least four that vanished. Two people have talked with me in PM about it and they also have the impression that the threads have been deleted. At first I figured it might be the OP deleting the thread, but I was informed that OP can only lock the thread, and in either case one of the OP's took the initiative to inform me that he did not delete it and asked me if I knew why it had been deleted.
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Would it be possible to notify the subscribers to a thread..
when/if a thread is moved.. or deleted ?
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I can confirm. I also posted in that NSA thread in Off Topic and those posts are gone from my post history, as is the thread.
I don't see why that thread would be deleted.
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The thread I posted was definitely deleted "5 facts about the NSA surveillance" , which is fine, I understand the rationale.However,the police state for which America is turning into needs to be spoken about.If this isn't the place for discussion, that is out of my control; I am merely a guest traveler. I just want like minded individuals to be cognizant of the trajectory of the United States.
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I agree, if the administration prefers we do not talk about the NSA here I don't mind, I just want to know if that is official so I can avoid spending more time posting in threads that are destined to be deleted. I would also humbly suggest that maybe a sticky or something be made on the topic, so people know about it, rather than keep finding their posts and threads deleted and left wondering why. I suppose it does seem like the common theme in the deleted threads so far is the NSA, although in the case of the anonymized telephone thread the NSA was not mentioned in particular.
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I can also confirm these threads were deleted (along with a few from 4 or 5 days ago) as I posted in them as well and they have been removed from my post history.
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THANK YOU EVERBODY. :D
I posted about this the other day and of course it went 'unnoticed.'
This whole thing concerning 'Casey Jones' + these NSA/security posts being deleted is starting to reek of shit.
Someone here knows something more than they're letting off.
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Pardon my subbing...
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Subscribed
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Subbing. Hope the reason is trivial.
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got my attn....
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Will this become the "SR Spring"?
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.... so.... who.... is deleting the threads ?
mod vandal ?
mod LE mole ?
recreational hacker ?
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.. it's not those little grey aliens again, is it ? :)
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If they are actually being deleted, then imho there is probably a good reason for it. I don't think we should view it as censorship per se if it is happening, but since this information is accessible by anyone, maybe some of it should be kept at least a little bit under wraps?
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Here we go...
This is going to increase the Tinfoil company profits by 500%.
I am also very interested and shocked.
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Limetless?
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If they are actually being deleted, then imho there is probably a good reason for it. I don't think we should view it as censorship per se if it is happening, but since this information is accessible by anyone, maybe some of it should be kept at least a little bit under wraps?
I mean, I don't really view it as censorship either since they own the server. But an explanation would be appreciated. It doesn't look like DPR even knew about it. And obviously a lot of people were wondering what was going on, so maybe it is better if they just state their position publicly rather than play whack a mole with threads.
I don't think we really have anything to be paranoid about. I mean, it isn't like the entire internet isn't talking about the NSA scandal, so it isn't like they would have any reason to try and censor it being discussed here. That is the part that has me confused, I really can't think of any reason why the threads would be deleted. We have even had threads on phone encryption in the past (albeit not anonymity), so it seems really strange that a new thread on phone encryption and anonymity would be deleted.
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since this information is accessible by anyone, maybe some of it should be kept at least a little bit under wraps?
But that's the thing. Everything we say about the NSA is public information. Nobody here is giving away secrets.
I don't think we really have anything to be paranoid about. I mean, it isn't like the entire internet isn't talking about the NSA scandal, so it isn't like they would have any reason to try and censor it being discussed here. That is the part that has me confused, I really can't think of any reason why the threads would be deleted. We have even had threads on phone encryption in the past (albeit not anonymity), so it seems really strange that a new thread on phone encryption and anonymity would be deleted.
My sentiments exactly. I don't care that it's being deleted either. They could make an arbitrary list of stuff we can't talk about, but I'd like to know what's on the list so I don't waste my time writing posts that get deleted.
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Subbing. Interested to know this as well. I have seen a lot more threads getting moved lately but nothing I have posted in has been deleted. Nonetheless this is something that should be explained with all of the people chiming in that it is happening to them.
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DPR is acting like it's not happening. I'm ready for the conspiracy theories everyone!
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DPR is acting like it's not happening. I'm ready for the conspiracy theories everyone!
Clearly, SR and its forum are one big NSA honeypot and they don't like the discussions of encryption getting close enough to discover the truth!
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Clearly, SR and its forum are one big NSA honeypot and they don't like the discussions of encryption getting close enough to discover the truth!
Holy f, my mind wasn't necessarily the best before, but it is completely blown now.
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Clearly, SR and its forum are one big NSA honeypot and they don't like the discussions of encryption getting close enough to discover the truth!
Holy f, my mind wasn't necessarily the best before, but it is completely blown now.
Occam's Razor....
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Sub'd
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Sub'd, too interesting.
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Sub-Zeroed.
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Holy shit. This is way interesting.
Subbbbbbbb'd
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Has it all been NSA threads that have been deleted? (she said, horribly ungrammatically)
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This happens more than people notice, or check up on, I think.
I watch the forums relatively closely. Anything since early this year (1-2/2013) that has had anything remotely...direct? (Not sure the word here) gets removed pretty quickly. This includes specific busts, certain encryption info, recently the NSA stuff, etc. Also, just about none of it has anything against forum rules, or identifies anyone.
I'm not exactly a tinfoil hat person, but through various posts on here, other forums, and even reddit, one can start getting the feeling that something else is going on behind the scenes.
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I follow the forums pretty closely as well, and until about a week ago I hadn't really seen anything get deleted other than spam, a very few controversial threads, and threads that should obviously have been deleted. However, over the past week or so, it seems like the threads I have been posting in are getting deleted within a few hours to a day tops. The only common theme I have noticed is that they all have had to do with the NSA, other than the one on phone encryption and anonymity, which only had to do with the NSA in an abstract and never explicitly mentioned way. Given that the recently deleted posts were not spam, that they were not at all controversial, and that they actually had some good info and debate going on in them, I don't see that they should have obviously been deleted, and it just leaves me hoping for clarification of the matter. I had a few dozen fairly large posts in all of the threads combined, and if I know that there is some 'flag' that is getting these threads deleted, I will stop putting the effort forth to post in them. For now I can only speculate that they were deleted accidentally, perhaps by a mod trying to move them, or dropped by a software bug, or perhaps were deleted because they related to the NSA for some reason?
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Actually now that you point it out I was posting in that encryption thread that you gave a good rundown on quantum computing's potential effect on encryption cracking as recently as earlier today and now it has vanished so some of my posts have been deleted as well.
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Hadn't noticed that one was gone yet. That brings the total of confirmed deleted threads that I am aware of to 5: 3 on the NSA , 1 on phone encryption/anonymity and 1 on quantum encryption.
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Hope this thread doesn't get deleted...
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Alright kids, daddy got his tin foil hat and he came to fucking play.
This is clear cut as fuck, I can't believe none of you retard savants see this shit. Plain as fuckin' day.
This is obviously a case of the NSA super (quantum and beyond) computers from the future coming back to delete posts that 'it' deems may have a destructive effect on 'it's' reality in the future state.
I, Kenny 'The Fuck' Powders, fully believe this to be true.
I offer up proof for the very few who get the chance to read this post/thread...
before it vanishes and proves me scientifically, 100% correct.
*CUE SPOOKY MUSIC*
You're welcome everybody.
Case Closed.
I'm going to fucking Shabooms.
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Have not ye' fucking fairies seen goddamn Terminator 2?
Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about.
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where is your evidence? I love a good conspiracy more than most; but these silk road forums are absolutely not breaking any new ground when it comes the discussion of conspiracy or nsa; not to say it can't.
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Alright kids, daddy got his tin foil hat and he came to fucking play.
This is clear cut as fuck, I can't believe none of you retard savants see this shit. Plain as fuckin' day.
This is obviously a case of the NSA super (quantum and beyond) computers from the future coming back to delete posts that 'it' deems may have a destructive effect on 'it's' reality in the future state.
I, Kenny 'The Fuck' Powders, fully believe this to be true.
I offer up proof for the very few who get the chance to read this post/thread...
before it vanishes and proves me scientifically, 100% correct.
*CUE SPOOKY MUSIC*
You're welcome everybody.
Case Closed.
I'm going to fucking Shabooms.
The fun has begun. ;)
Thank you Kenny Powders.
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I already said you're welcome....
but give it up everybody, case is closed.
DPR, and thus SR, is cleary an agent (computer/alien/hybrid?) from the future sent to help corral the deviants/potential troublemakers into an electronic web that is easily trapped, mapped and captured... so these inter-dimensional beasts can ravage our holographic souls.. for whatever reason.
It shocks the fuck out of me, blows my goddamn fucking mind.... the amount of people that believe 'signals & communication intelligence' is limited to the present time. The NSA of the future CLEARLY has a program implemented and is using it to 'tap' the past. DUH.
Again, this is 100% valid science.
I dare ANYONE to try to disprove this bulletproof logic.
KENNY 'the fuck' POWDERS
P.S. Please excuse the sloppiness of this post, I typed it from my Ipad at Shabooms
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P.P.S. Fuck you, you futuristic Chinese robot god piece of shit
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Has it all been NSA threads that have been deleted? (she said, horribly ungrammatically)
As mentioned, one of the threads was about secure phone communication. Someone mentioned running I2P on a phone, I linked to the Android APK for that, a few minutes later the thread was gone.
That one is perplexing, but the common element in the others seems to be the NSA.
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SR veterans will remember the "forum A" and "forum B" saga...
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Can any of you recall the usernames of the OP's for the threads that have been deleted? I want to look into this further if/when I have some free time from the main site.
Libertas
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oh well as long as they're letting me buy my drugs in the meantime IDGAF and I doubt they do either. If they do I hope you guys can ship me some fire in jail cause drugs are way too expensive there.
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subed
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Actually now that you point it out I was posting in that encryption thread that you gave a good rundown on quantum computing's potential effect on encryption cracking as recently as earlier today and now it has vanished so some of my posts have been deleted as well.
In one respect that is quite comforting, I was looking for that thread yesterday and assumed that either the capricious gods of the search function were punishing me for cursing them so often or my mind was starting to unravel. Whatever the reason for these threads disappearing, its unfortunate, there was some really good information in that quantum encryption thread I hadn't gotten around to properly absorbing yet. I really don't want to have to start saving all the good info off here on the off-chance the thread crosses an invisible,intangible line and gets deleted.
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Can any of you recall the usernames of the OP's for the threads that have been deleted? I want to look into this further if/when I have some free time from the main site.
Libertas
The thread deletions started around June 14th. 2 of the articles I posted pertaining to the NSA are still up...Just the recent threads have been removed....This is getting deep
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Trust me everyone, you'd rather not know. This isn't the first time things have been deleted without explanation. Is there a good reason for it? No one can make that decision due to the fact that there is never a reason given.
I don't believe we'll get a solid answer on this. And if we do it'll be something about 'security issues'.
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I am watching U....
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I follow the forums pretty closely as well, and until about a week ago I hadn't really seen anything get deleted other than spam, a very few controversial threads, and threads that should obviously have been deleted. However, over the past week or so, it seems like the threads I have been posting in are getting deleted within a few hours to a day tops. The only common theme I have noticed is that they all have had to do with the NSA, other than the one on phone encryption and anonymity, which only had to do with the NSA in an abstract and never explicitly mentioned way. Given that the recently deleted posts were not spam, that they were not at all controversial, and that they actually had some good info and debate going on in them, I don't see that they should have obviously been deleted, and it just leaves me hoping for clarification of the matter. I had a few dozen fairly large posts in all of the threads combined, and if I know that there is some 'flag' that is getting these threads deleted, I will stop putting the effort forth to post in them. For now I can only speculate that they were deleted accidentally, perhaps by a mod trying to move them, or dropped by a software bug, or perhaps were deleted because they related to the NSA for some reason?
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Has it all been NSA threads that have been deleted? (she said, horribly ungrammatically)
As mentioned, one of the threads was about secure phone communication. Someone mentioned running I2P on a phone, I linked to the Android APK for that, a few minutes later the thread was gone.
That one is perplexing, but the common element in the others seems to be the NSA.
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So.. in an arena in which one might imagine we have real liberties
there is censorship ?
.. who is deleting the threads ?
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Actually now that you point it out I was posting in that encryption thread that you gave a good rundown on quantum computing's potential effect on encryption cracking as recently as earlier today and now it has vanished so some of my posts have been deleted as well.
In one respect that is quite comforting, I was looking for that thread yesterday and assumed that either the capricious gods of the search function were punishing me for cursing them so often or my mind was starting to unravel. Whatever the reason for these threads disappearing, its unfortunate, there was some really good information in that quantum encryption thread I hadn't gotten around to properly absorbing yet. I really don't want to have to start saving all the good info off here on the off-chance the thread crosses an invisible,intangible line and gets deleted.
Well, I am not sure if I am just an idiot or blind or it was somehow restored but here is a link to the thread I was referring to that is now accessible: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=175418.0
I did not see this yesterday when I posted either in my posts summary or in the first few pages of the security thread.
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I follow the forums pretty closely as well, and until about a week ago I hadn't really seen anything get deleted other than spam, a very few controversial threads, and threads that should obviously have been deleted. However, over the past week or so, it seems like the threads I have been posting in are getting deleted within a few hours to a day tops. The only common theme I have noticed is that they all have had to do with the NSA, other than the one on phone encryption and anonymity, which only had to do with the NSA in an abstract and never explicitly mentioned way. Given that the recently deleted posts were not spam, that they were not at all controversial, and that they actually had some good info and debate going on in them, I don't see that they should have obviously been deleted, and it just leaves me hoping for clarification of the matter. I had a few dozen fairly large posts in all of the threads combined, and if I know that there is some 'flag' that is getting these threads deleted, I will stop putting the effort forth to post in them. For now I can only speculate that they were deleted accidentally, perhaps by a mod trying to move them, or dropped by a software bug, or perhaps were deleted because they related to the NSA for some reason?
I was posting in these threads as well, also noticed their disappearance.
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Actually now that you point it out I was posting in that encryption thread that you gave a good rundown on quantum computing's potential effect on encryption cracking as recently as earlier today and now it has vanished so some of my posts have been deleted as well.
In one respect that is quite comforting, I was looking for that thread yesterday and assumed that either the capricious gods of the search function were punishing me for cursing them so often or my mind was starting to unravel. Whatever the reason for these threads disappearing, its unfortunate, there was some really good information in that quantum encryption thread I hadn't gotten around to properly absorbing yet. I really don't want to have to start saving all the good info off here on the off-chance the thread crosses an invisible,intangible line and gets deleted.
Well, I am not sure if I am just an idiot or blind or it was somehow restored but here is a link to the thread I was referring to that is now accessible: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=175418.0
I did not see this yesterday when I posted either in my posts summary or in the first few pages of the security thread.
Ah, in that case I think we are talking about different threads! I kept thinking I had found the one I was looking for when I found that one, but the one I was referring to was one specifically about the resistance of encryption to quantum computing with kmfkewm posting a lot of info about the strength of asymmetric and symmetric encryption against quantum computers.
Actually I appear to suffering from the same affliction as you! I went looking again just now and I have found it. Panic over! or not as the case may be.
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I already said you're welcome....
but give it up everybody, case is closed.
DPR, and thus SR, is cleary an agent (computer/alien/hybrid?) from the future sent to help corral the deviants/potential troublemakers into an electronic web that is easily trapped, mapped and captured... so these inter-dimensional beasts can ravage our holographic souls.. for whatever reason.
It shocks the fuck out of me, blows my goddamn fucking mind.... the amount of people that believe 'signals & communication intelligence' is limited to the present time. The NSA of the future CLEARLY has a program implemented and is using it to 'tap' the past. DUH.
Again, this is 100% valid science.
I dare ANYONE to try to disprove this bulletproof logic.
KENNY 'the fuck' POWDERS
P.S. Please excuse the sloppiness of this post, I typed it from my Ipad at Shabooms
Dam Kenny!
You need to make movies bro.
I read yout first post, and I laughed, and this one is Halarious.
Hey It could be true... ;D
After the DMT trip I had,
I think there is more to this world, then we know. :-X
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Edit: Nevermind. OP just couldn't find his thread.
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Bump
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One more time, for good measure. Bump!
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I guess we'll never know... :(
Well that's a dictatorship for yah! :P
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Nekk minnit this thread gets deleted.
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This thread will absolutely not get deleted. I'll be looking into the issue when I have some free time, and I will get to the bottom of it.
Libertas
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Well that's a dictatorship for yah! :P
their benevolence is round and full ;D
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This thread will absolutely not get deleted. I'll be looking into the issue when I have some free time, and I will get to the bottom of it.
Libertas
The implication of your statement is that there are no logs kept, and there's therefore no way to discover abuses of power or even just simple mistakes. Either that or you're so busy that you can't stop to check who deleted the threads and shoot them a brief email asking for their reasoning.
Neither of these are impossible... but frankly, I don't buy either of them. So the only other logical explanations I personally see are that someone has altered the logs (oh dear, that can't be good...), or you have no intention of ever disclosing any further information regarding the matter.
Would you like to comment on my assessment, or shall it too go without any real response?
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This thread will absolutely not get deleted. I'll be looking into the issue when I have some free time, and I will get to the bottom of it.
Libertas
The implication of your statement is that there are no logs kept, and there's therefore no way to discover abuses of power or even just simple mistakes. Either that or you're so busy that you can't stop to check who deleted the threads and shoot them a brief email asking for their reasoning.
Neither of these are impossible... but frankly, I don't buy either of them. So the only other logical explanations I personally see are that someone has altered the logs (oh dear, that can't be good...), or you have no intention of ever disclosing any further information regarding the matter.
Would you like to comment on my assessment, or shall it too go without any real response?
Mods can see every deleted post and thread.
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The implication of your statement is that there are no logs kept, and there's therefore no way to discover abuses of power or even just simple mistakes. Either that or you're so busy that you can't stop to check who deleted the threads and shoot them a brief email asking for their reasoning.
Neither of these are impossible... but frankly, I don't buy either of them. So the only other logical explanations I personally see are that someone has altered the logs (oh dear, that can't be good...), or you have no intention of ever disclosing any further information regarding the matter.
My understanding is that there is a trash bin where they can see deleted threads, but there's no indication of who deleted them.
Still, unless it gets cleaned out often, they should be able to see the deleted threads, and we've given enough information about them -- NSA in the title, mention quantum computing and I2P -- that they should be able to find them and discover the OP, which is what Libertas wants.
I could put up an SMF forum for us to play around with and find out exactly how that aspect works. ;)
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My understanding is that there is a trash bin where they can see deleted threads, but there's no indication of who deleted them.
Still, unless it gets cleaned out often, they should be able to see the deleted threads, and we've given enough information about them -- NSA in the title, mention quantum computing and I2P -- that they should be able to find them and discover the OP, which is what Libertas wants.
I could put up an SMF forum for us to play around with and find out exactly how that aspect works. ;)
Having dealt with an SMF forum personally, I can tell you that you're exactly right, astor. And I would doubt that the bin is cleaned regularly, so deleted threads can be found very easily - and restored.
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Either that or you're so busy that you can't stop to check who deleted the threads and shoot them a brief email asking for their reasoning.
^Yes, that. I'm incredibly busy on the main site at the moment; I won't be able to spend time looking into this until I can free up some of my time. I have a feeling though that OP's have been deleting their threads. Seeing as I don't have the time right now, would you guys be so kind as to check that hypothesis by starting a test thread, throwing up a few posts from different members and having the OP see if they can delete the thread despite there being responses posted?
Libertas
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Either that or you're so busy that you can't stop to check who deleted the threads and shoot them a brief email asking for their reasoning.
^Yes, that. I'm incredibly busy on the main site at the moment; I won't be able to spend time looking into this until I can free up some of my time. I have a feeling though that OP's have been deleting their threads. Seeing as I don't have the time right now, would you guys be so kind as to check that hypothesis by starting a test thread, throwing up a few posts from different members and having the OP see if they can delete the thread despite there being responses posted?
Libertas
Done
Here is the link: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?board=2.0
Im the OP
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Either that or you're so busy that you can't stop to check who deleted the threads and shoot them a brief email asking for their reasoning.
^Yes, that. I'm incredibly busy on the main site at the moment; I won't be able to spend time looking into this until I can free up some of my time. I have a feeling though that OP's have been deleting their threads. Seeing as I don't have the time right now, would you guys be so kind as to check that hypothesis by starting a test thread, throwing up a few posts from different members and having the OP see if they can delete the thread despite there being responses posted?
Libertas
It has been done, doesn't appear to be the reason.
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Here is a link to a thread which was deleted.... it was Jasper letting people know that DealerOfDrugs is a scamming vendor who calls the cops on his clients. Here ya go, link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=178366.new#new
Oh but, it doesn't work of course. Since it got deleted. OP of that thread was Jasper800 and the thread was titled "Vendor Review: DealerofDrugs (Scam/Dishonest)"
The username Jasper800 also doesn't exist anymore. I think he wanted his account deleted because he doesn't want any ties to this place anymore after what DealerOfDrugs put him through.
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Here is a link to a thread which was deleted.... it was Jasper letting people know that DealerOfDrugs is a scamming vendor who calls the cops on his clients. Here ya go, link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=178366.new#new
Oh but, it doesn't work of course. Since it got deleted. OP of that thread was Jasper800 and the thread was titled "Vendor Review: DealerofDrugs (Scam/Dishonest)"
The username Jasper800 also doesn't exist anymore. I think he wanted his account deleted because he doesn't want any ties to this place anymore after what DealerOfDrugs put him through.
He probably deleted that one himself...
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Here is a link to a thread which was deleted.... it was Jasper letting people know that DealerOfDrugs is a scamming vendor who calls the cops on his clients. Here ya go, link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=178366.new#new
Oh but, it doesn't work of course. Since it got deleted. OP of that thread was Jasper800 and the thread was titled "Vendor Review: DealerofDrugs (Scam/Dishonest)"
The username Jasper800 also doesn't exist anymore. I think he wanted his account deleted because he doesn't want any ties to this place anymore after what DealerOfDrugs put him through.
He probably deleted that one himself...
So OPs can delete their own threads even after posts have been made within them?
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Here is a link to a thread which was deleted.... it was Jasper letting people know that DealerOfDrugs is a scamming vendor who calls the cops on his clients. Here ya go, link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=178366.new#new
Oh but, it doesn't work of course. Since it got deleted. OP of that thread was Jasper800 and the thread was titled "Vendor Review: DealerofDrugs (Scam/Dishonest)"
The username Jasper800 also doesn't exist anymore. I think he wanted his account deleted because he doesn't want any ties to this place anymore after what DealerOfDrugs put him through.
He probably deleted that one himself...
So OPs can delete their own threads even after posts have been made within them?
Yes. Button on the bottom left that says remove topic.
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hmmmm........
Jack,
i'm worried as well ...
:o
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LIBERTAS I got the answer.
So I went back to the Locked Thread, and I went to the bottom....
Clicked...remove topic.
and its gone.
I WAS ABLE to remove the Locked Thread.
So the Libertas Hypothesis does work!
So it could be OP's deleting the thread.
Bottom Left is where I found the button.
But if you try to remove first post, then that is not allowed, and only mod can.
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LIBERTAS I got the answer.
So I went back to the Locked Thread, and I went to the bottom....
Clicked...remove topic.
and its gone.
I WAS ABLE to remove the Locked Thread.
So the Libertas Hypothesis does work!
So it could be OP's deleting the thread.
Bottom Left is where I found the button.
But if you try to remove first post, then that is not allowed, and only mod can.
Did you just copy that from my post two posts above yours where I talked about that button? Why am I the only member who knows about this clearly visible button? Also, I do not think those other threads were deleted by the original posters............
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I'm simply amazed that you were able to find that "remove topic" button by reading my post telling you about the "remove topic" button and where it is located. Ecstasydude, you truly are a genius. I want your babies! ;D
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***Giggles***
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try deleting any of your threads non believers.never mind the excuses try.then suck it up suckers its yet another fallacy.try it.
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Oh I didn't realize it was still possible for people to delete their own threads. That is probably what happened in at least some of the cases. I think that 'feature' should be removed personally, it sucks to have a ten page thread full of great info entirely disappear because the OP saw a cop car drive by and wants to delete all traces of their account.
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;) yah and it sure looked to me like DPR was on this thread like flies on shit loud and clear even b4 lib came in. but hey DPR is a fed. Idk it certainly could be a legit issue....w/e
Yah that's what I was thinking it is possible that DPR is a fed trying to get people to post in his thread and then delete the thread so that it becomes "police evidence" and they can sort through it and not be contributing to the "ills of the world" but hey - who knows.
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Okay so it seems this has been resolved then! :) No conspiracy after all! ;) Thanks to all of you for your contributions towards working it out!
Libertas
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Okay so it seems this has been resolved then! :) No conspiracy after all! ;) Thanks to all of you for your contributions towards working it out!
Libertas
So we're just going to guess that the thread starters deleted their threads for no reason and didn't speak up here? Instead of looking in the trash bin?
Lol okay then.
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Can we please remove the feature where you can delete your own topics?
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Okay so it seems this has been resolved then! :) No conspiracy after all! ;) Thanks to all of you for your contributions towards working it out!
Libertas
So we're just going to guess that the thread starters deleted their threads for no reason and didn't speak up here? Instead of looking in the trash bin?
Lol okay then.
When this was first brought up I checked the recycle bin, though I didn't have the time to examine things thoroughly nor PM many users. What I found suggested that the thread starters did indeed delete their threads, hence my hypothesis outlined above which was proven to be sound by 'ecstacydude'. We have eliminated the possibility of a moderator or other administrator deleting them due to the timestamps on the posts and the 'Last Active' timestamp of the moderators / admins which I recorded when this was first brought up.
You're reading into this with the mind of a conspiracy theorist, and I can see why some people had that mindset given the nature of the discussion in the threads in question. The OPs reasons for deleting the threads are their own, and we are not going to go around asking people why they are deleting certain posts / threads that they've started for three reasons: a) they have the right to remove their posts if they see fit to do so, b) we are not the Stasi, and c) we would not have the time do so if we were the Stasi!!
Why they deleted the threads, I have no idea. Perhaps they did it to spark just this kind of discussion and encourage a sense of distrust, perhaps not. Nobody knows but them.
Libertas
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I haven't deleted any of my threads....
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Yeah, okay, nobody has explained shit.
GREAT.
THE GREAT 'SPIRACY CUNTINUES >:(
Really everybody? FUCKING REALLY?!?! We're going to accept the bullshit Libertas just said as an appropriate explanation? How about motherfuckin' NO. Case continues.
I guess this means Libertas isn't secretively a LEO though; their detective work fucking sucks.
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ok so only one thing to do then lets try it and find out.brb
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I haven't deleted any of my threads....
I'm unsure if you're speaking about any particular threads or speaking in general but I just checked and none of the threads you started have been deleted.
Yeah, okay, nobody has explained shit.
GREAT.
THE GREAT 'SPIRACY CUNTINUES >:(
Really everybody? FUCKING REALLY?!?! We're going to accept the bullshit Libertas just said as an appropriate explanation? How about motherfuckin' NO. Case continues.
I guess this means Libertas isn't secretively a LEO though; their detective work fucking sucks.
My hypothesis was proven to be sound by another forum member. Any other member is free to test that hypothesis by creating a thread in the Off topic section for that purpose and attempting to remove it using the 'Remove Topic' button.
Apart from being too busy to do so, I did not want to test it myself due to concerns raised in this thread that administrators were deleting threads. It would be somewhat reminiscent of a Banana Republic if the people being accused of things were to be the ones to investigate themselves and declare their hypotheses sound based on their own findings, so I thought it better to be proven by somebody that was already contributing to the discussion at hand - I'm sure you can see the logic in that.
Libertas
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My hypothesis was proven to be sound by another forum member. Any other member is free to test that hypothesis by creating a thread in the Off topic section for that purpose and attempting to remove it using the 'Remove Topic' button.
No shit the remove topic button works! That really doesn't prove anything though. Dropping a plugged in hair dryer in a bathtub full of water while you are in it will electrocute you. So anyone who is electrocuted surely dropped a plugged in hair dryer in a bathtub full of water while they were in it. You can test this by sitting in a bathtub with water and dropping a plugged in hairdryer in it.
Herp derp Lib herp derp.......
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My hypothesis was proven to be sound by another forum member. Any other member is free to test that hypothesis by creating a thread in the Off topic section for that purpose and attempting to remove it using the 'Remove Topic' button.
No shit the remove topic button works! That really doesn't prove anything though. Dropping a plugged in hair dryer in a bathtub full of water while you are in it will electrocute you. So anyone who is electrocuted surely dropped a plugged in hair dryer in a bathtub full of water while they were in it. You can test this by sitting in a bathtub with water and dropping a plugged in hairdryer in it.
Herp derp Lib herp derp.......
When you're quite done 'herping' and 'derping', would you like to propose a course of action that can be taken in order to address your concerns?
The person that posted the [New Leak- NSA data can be used against Americans for ordinary criminal activity] thread which they then deleted hasn't logged into their account for 4 days, and has deleted all of their posts bar their "spam to 50" posts, along with two they seem to have missed in the [NSA-proof encryption exists. Why doesn’t anyone use it?] and [U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret] threads. I presume they removed them with intent of covering up what they were talking about, but it is not my place - nor anybody's - to demand a reason for that should they log back in at any stage.
Your tinfoil hat must be getting a tad worn out by now, no?
Libertas
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My hypothesis was proven to be sound by another forum member. Any other member is free to test that hypothesis by creating a thread in the Off topic section for that purpose and attempting to remove it using the 'Remove Topic' button.
No shit the remove topic button works! That really doesn't prove anything though. Dropping a plugged in hair dryer in a bathtub full of water while you are in it will electrocute you. So anyone who is electrocuted surely dropped a plugged in hair dryer in a bathtub full of water while they were in it. You can test this by sitting in a bathtub with water and dropping a plugged in hairdryer in it.
Herp derp Lib herp derp.......
When you're quite done 'herping' and 'derping', would you like to propose a course of action that can be taken in order to address your concerns?
The person that posted the [New Leak- NSA data can be used against Americans for ordinary criminal activity] thread which they then deleted hasn't logged into their account for 4 days, and has deleted all of their posts bar their "spam to 50" posts, along with two they seem to have missed in the [NSA-proof encryption exists. Why doesn’t anyone use it?] and [U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret] threads. I presume they removed them with intent of covering up what they were talking about, but it is not my place - nor anybody's - to demand a reason for that should they log back in at any stage.
Your tinfoil hat must be getting a tad worn out by now, no?
Libertas
Now this is what I like to hear. Something solid. All I wanted was a mod to just check and see who deleted the threads but now that we have a clear cut answer and not a hypothesis then everything is goooooood. I'm usually not the one wearing a tin foil hat around here to be honest and no mine is in perfectly good shape. Check for yourself! http://torimagesbp2vt3u.onion/i/1Qze.jpg
Thanks Libby. :)
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Okay, okay. Case closed.
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Okay so it seems this has been resolved then! :) No conspiracy after all! ;) Thanks to all of you for your contributions towards working it out!
Libertas
So we're just going to guess that the thread starters deleted their threads for no reason and didn't speak up here? Instead of looking in the trash bin?
Lol okay then.
When this was first brought up I checked the recycle bin, though I didn't have the time to examine things thoroughly nor PM many users. What I found suggested that the thread starters did indeed delete their threads, hence my hypothesis outlined above which was proven to be sound by 'ecstacydude'. We have eliminated the possibility of a moderator or other administrator deleting them due to the timestamps on the posts and the 'Last Active' timestamp of the moderators / admins which I recorded when this was first brought up.
You're reading into this with the mind of a conspiracy theorist, and I can see why some people had that mindset given the nature of the discussion in the threads in question. The OPs reasons for deleting the threads are their own, and we are not going to go around asking people why they are deleting certain posts / threads that they've started for three reasons: a) they have the right to remove their posts if they see fit to do so, b) we are not the Stasi, and c) we would not have the time do so if we were the Stasi!!
Why they deleted the threads, I have no idea. Perhaps they did it to spark just this kind of discussion and encourage a sense of distrust, perhaps not. Nobody knows but them.
Libertas
Just because the 'last active' on known admins/mods timestamps don't match up does not necessarily prove that an admin/mod didn't delete them. Just saying.
Also, what is so wrong about approaching anything and everything with the mind of a conspiracy theorist? Tinfoil hats aside, I think paranoia is a trait we should all have a little of. Trusting those in authority too much is how we all end up losing what little freedoms we have left.
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Okay so it seems this has been resolved then! :) No conspiracy after all! ;) Thanks to all of you for your contributions towards working it out!
Libertas
So we're just going to guess that the thread starters deleted their threads for no reason and didn't speak up here? Instead of looking in the trash bin?
Lol okay then.
When this was first brought up I checked the recycle bin, though I didn't have the time to examine things thoroughly nor PM many users. What I found suggested that the thread starters did indeed delete their threads, hence my hypothesis outlined above which was proven to be sound by 'ecstacydude'. We have eliminated the possibility of a moderator or other administrator deleting them due to the timestamps on the posts and the 'Last Active' timestamp of the moderators / admins which I recorded when this was first brought up.
You're reading into this with the mind of a conspiracy theorist, and I can see why some people had that mindset given the nature of the discussion in the threads in question. The OPs reasons for deleting the threads are their own, and we are not going to go around asking people why they are deleting certain posts / threads that they've started for three reasons: a) they have the right to remove their posts if they see fit to do so, b) we are not the Stasi, and c) we would not have the time do so if we were the Stasi!!
Why they deleted the threads, I have no idea. Perhaps they did it to spark just this kind of discussion and encourage a sense of distrust, perhaps not. Nobody knows but them.
Libertas
Just because the 'last active' on known admins/mods timestamps don't match up does not necessarily prove that an admin/mod didn't delete them. Just saying.
Also, what is so wrong about approaching anything and everything with the mind of a conspiracy theorist? Tinfoil hats aside, I think paranoia is a trait we should all have a little of. Trusting those in authority too much is how we all end up losing what little freedoms we have left.
Yes, it does. Any action that any member takes on the site causes their 'Last Active' time to update. As the administrator's and moderator's 'Last Active' time didn't update during or after the time period that the thread was delete, it means that no other administrator or moderator deleted the thread. Your argument is unsound and invalid. Just saying.
I partially agree with the second part of your statement. Whilst approaching anything and everything with the mind of a conspiracy theorist is perhaps a tad over the top, "trusting those in authority too much" is certainly something I would encourage people not to get lackadaisical about. It is completely right for a community to question those in authority if / when they see something that they perceive to be wrong, and is in fact something I believe very strongly in doing. Government oppression is allowed to occur because people do not ask enough questions nor adequately demand answers from their governments.
That being said, I formed a hypothesis on what happened based on the facts available to me and asked others to test that hypothesis for the reasons outlined in a previous post in this thread. That hypothesis being independently verified - along with the timestamps that were available - produced proof that no administrator nor moderator deleted any threads. Do you really think that we have that kind of oppressive censor-centric view here?!
The missing threads were deleted by their OPs. There is thankfully nothing more to it than that.
Libertas
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Because DPR is the new Obama. Nothing but bs rhetoric from a despot who allows childish powertripping mods to patrol and control these forums like they are working for the NSA.
I created a thread on this issue in January: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=111042.msg766603#msg766603
72 replies and only 2 people agreed with me, so really you can't complain about the mods censoring threads as it is quite clear that the majority on these forums are in favor of censorship or are too chicken shit to voice protest, in which case you don't deserve to speak freely anyway.
If you are looking for a friendly place to converse freely on a range of unjustly taboo topics without the threat of censorship, this place ain't it, deal with it slaves.
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whoa man
anyway, now the question is
WHY ARE OPs DELETING THESE TOPIC SENSITIVE THREADS!
someone knock on their door?
LIBERTAS I just do not want to become lackadaisical...you understand
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We cannot and should not tell DPR what to do with his property (these forums). All I really care about is that the basic freedoms remain intact and that these forums are not portrayed as something they are not, i.e. a place where we are all free from censorship.
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We cannot and should not tell DPR what to do with his property (these forums). All I really care about is that the basic freedoms remain intact and that these forums are not portrayed as something they are not, i.e. a place where we are all free from censorship.
I agree that the forums in their entirety are under the control of Silk Road and/or those affiliated with DPR. That's pretty obvious, but personally I feel that they belong as much to us as they do to DPR: without either one, they wouldn't continue to exist. Besides, we sure as Hell use them more than he does.
... but this is really neither here nor there, is it. Never mind I suppose.
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the concepts right and no one said Dpr was not a good guy.
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Here is a link to a thread which was deleted.... it was Jasper letting people know that DealerOfDrugs is a scamming vendor who calls the cops on his clients. Here ya go, link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=178366.new#new
Oh but, it doesn't work of course. Since it got deleted. OP of that thread was Jasper800 and the thread was titled "Vendor Review: DealerofDrugs (Scam/Dishonest)"
The username Jasper800 also doesn't exist anymore. I think he wanted his account deleted because he doesn't want any ties to this place anymore after what DealerOfDrugs put him through.
He probably deleted that one himself...
So OPs can delete their own threads even after posts have been made within them?
Wow, you kind of look like a dick now, huh? Jasper did that on his own free will because he felt the issue was resolved. People like you, ignorant ones, disgust me. You still pissed about not getting that free sample, huh?
Self entitlement is a issue that results from bad parenting. My guess, from reading over your history, is you lay on your ass all day smoking pot, posting on SR, all while mommy and daddy pays your bills. Mind you, you do this all while telling hard working vendors how they are fucking up or not up to your standards. For more clarification look up "man-child."
God damn kids. Get off my lawn.
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I'll be looking into the issue when I have some free time, and I will get to the bottom of it.
Libertas
Have we reached the bottom of it? ;o)
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This thread will absolutely not get deleted. I'll be looking into the issue when I have some free time, and I will get to the bottom of it.
Libertas
Have we reached the bottom of it? ;o)
We have indeed. Please see my previous posts in this thread.
Libertas
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This thread will absolutely not get deleted. I'll be looking into the issue when I have some free time, and I will get to the bottom of it.
Libertas
Have we reached the bottom of it? ;o)
We have indeed. Please see my previous posts in this thread.
Libertas
Will heads roll?
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Libertas you seem so damn spot on with each and every response within this thread, not that your usually not, that is in fact in the majority with you.
Thank you for the modding.... :)
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This thread will absolutely not get deleted. I'll be looking into the issue when I have some free time, and I will get to the bottom of it.
Libertas
Have we reached the bottom of it? ;o)
We have indeed. Please see my previous posts in this thread.
Libertas
Will heads roll?
Not unless the OP's of the threads in question guillotine themselves.
Libertas you seem so damn spot on with each and every response within this thread, not that your usually not, that is in fact in the majority with you.
Thank you for the modding.... :)
Thank you SOUTHPAW. Moderators and admins really appreciate such kind words. :)
Libertas
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libertas quae sera tamen
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Perhaps totally unrelated, but...
When I was on the forums a few days ago, my post count was exactly 450. Today I log on and it's 430. And I did not post anything on the recently deleted NSA threads.
Not wanting to muddy the apparently now cleared waters, but is a little weird...
BG
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someone may have deleted a thread that you posted in.
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That seems to be the logical explanation - but I just don't post that much in other people's threads, and certainly not 20 posts in one thread. So it would have required a whole number of threads where I made a couple of posts to all be deleted in the same week. Possible of course, but seems somewhat low probability....
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THE GREAT 'SPIRACY CUNTINUES >:(
Really everybody? FUCKING REALLY?!?! We're going to accept the bullshit Libertas just said as an appropriate explanation? How about motherfuckin' NO. Case continues.
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Just saw this: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=180253.0
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Just saw this: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=180253.0
that thread was not deleted. it's right here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=147607.0
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We have already established that staff are not deleting threads, BlueGiraffe. Please read my previous posts in this thread.
Libertas
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kmf and I discussed this issue privately before he created this thread. We noticed it because we both posted in several of the deleted threads. Neither of us has posted in this thread in several pages, so it seems we're both over it. I'm definitely over it. I haven't seen any more threads disappear, so the issue is resolved as far as I'm concerned. There's no reason to keep conspiracy theories alive here.
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Hey Libertas,
I've just now noticed that my Newbie sub-forum thread is not there anymore. It used to be at http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108363.0 and was called "BlueGiraffe GHB Everything Thread".
I've looked for it via the link and via the search function (multiple times) and it has definitely been deleted - I get this message: "An Error Has Occurred! The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.".
This then explains why my post count dropped by 20 posts since last week (and that sounds about right for the number of posts I probably made on this thread). And I most certainly did not delete my own thread.
So here is a very clear and direct example. Perhaps the previous issues were explained and resolved, but this one has not been. Please could you address as a matter of urgency.
BG
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Hey Libertas,
I've just now noticed that my Newbie sub-forum thread is not there anymore. It used to be at http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108363.0 and was called "BlueGiraffe GHB Everything Thread".
I've looked for it via the link and via the search function (multiple times) and it has definitely been deleted - I get this message: "An Error Has Occurred! The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.".
This then explains why my post count dropped by 20 posts since last week (and that sounds about right for the number of posts I probably made on this thread). And I most certainly did not delete my own thread.
So here is a very clear and direct example. Perhaps the previous issues were explained and resolved, but this one has not been. Please could you address as a matter of urgency.
BG
That topic (started by you) was indeed deleted, and I offer you my sincerest apologies for that - it was mistakenly deleted when cleaning up the 'infowars' spam as there was an 'infowars' post in it. I have now removed the 'infowars' post and restored the thread.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Libertas
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No apology necessary as it was a mistake :)
Thank you most kindly for restoring the thread...
BG
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If there is ever a mistake please do pull up a mod or admin on it. I will absolutely not have the Silk Road forums a place where people are afraid to speak their minds.
Libertas
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Appreciate the hard work Lib. I know your amount of work has gone up quite a bit since becoming an Admin and losing scout as a mod but you've still got it together. Cheers mate!
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If there is ever a mistake please do pull up a mod or admin on it. I will absolutely not have the Silk Road forums a place where people are afraid to speak their minds.
Libertas
Clearly proven by your calm cool and thoughtful responses, BRAVO! :)
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Here is a link to a thread which was deleted.... it was Jasper letting people know that DealerOfDrugs is a scamming vendor who calls the cops on his clients. Here ya go, link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=178366.new#new
Oh but, it doesn't work of course. Since it got deleted. OP of that thread was Jasper800 and the thread was titled "Vendor Review: DealerofDrugs (Scam/Dishonest)"
The username Jasper800 also doesn't exist anymore. I think he wanted his account deleted because he doesn't want any ties to this place anymore after what DealerOfDrugs put him through.
He probably deleted that one himself...
So OPs can delete their own threads even after posts have been made within them?
Wow, you kind of look like a dick now, huh? Jasper did that on his own free will because he felt the issue was resolved. People like you, ignorant ones, disgust me. You still pissed about not getting that free sample, huh?
Self entitlement is a issue that results from bad parenting. My guess, from reading over your history, is you lay on your ass all day smoking pot, posting on SR, all while mommy and daddy pays your bills. Mind you, you do this all while telling hard working vendors how they are fucking up or not up to your standards. For more clarification look up "man-child."
God damn kids. Get off my lawn.
Just want to leave this here for you.
He had three cops at my door. No joke. Said karma is coming your way... said he had my name and address. Ten minutes later three cops, three different patrol cars, came to my door about a "domestic dispute with sounds of guns fired." I had a pinch hitter, that I stupidly left in plain site, out and luckily they didn't arrest me. So far, this has been an awful awful day because frankly DOD won. I didn't try and sway him out of "3.5 grams of MDMA to settle it" I don't even know what 3.5 G of MDMA breaks down to ya know... I know what an 8th of pot is but for something like that????? and I'm just not that type of guy... anyway... he won the debate. He kept PMing me threatening me about removing the thread...cops came to my door, I was nearly arrested, I removed the thread. I am no longer going to use the road. I am done with this otherwise amazing community because of one person. Be careful.
Honestly looking out,
-Jasper
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Just want to leave this here for you.
He had three cops at my door. No joke. Said karma is coming your way... said he had my name and address. Ten minutes later three cops, three different patrol cars, came to my door about a "domestic dispute with sounds of guns fired." I had a pinch hitter, that I stupidly left in plain site, out and luckily they didn't arrest me. So far, this has been an awful awful day because frankly DOD won. I didn't try and sway him out of "3.5 grams of MDMA to settle it" I don't even know what 3.5 G of MDMA breaks down to ya know... I know what an 8th of pot is but for something like that????? and I'm just not that type of guy... anyway... he won the debate. He kept PMing me threatening me about removing the thread...cops came to my door, I was nearly arrested, I removed the thread. I am no longer going to use the road. I am done with this otherwise amazing community because of one person. Be careful.
Honestly looking out,
-Jasper
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Wow!
DoD is InfiniteSucksaDickSource ;)
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Just want to leave this here for you.
He had three cops at my door. No joke. Said karma is coming your way... said he had my name and address. Ten minutes later three cops, three different patrol cars, came to my door about a "domestic dispute with sounds of guns fired." I had a pinch hitter, that I stupidly left in plain site, out and luckily they didn't arrest me. So far, this has been an awful awful day because frankly DOD won. I didn't try and sway him out of "3.5 grams of MDMA to settle it" I don't even know what 3.5 G of MDMA breaks down to ya know... I know what an 8th of pot is but for something like that????? and I'm just not that type of guy... anyway... he won the debate. He kept PMing me threatening me about removing the thread...cops came to my door, I was nearly arrested, I removed the thread. I am no longer going to use the road. I am done with this otherwise amazing community because of one person. Be careful.
Honestly looking out,
-Jasper
Wow!
DoD is InfiniteSucksaDickSource ;)
Ding ding ding.