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Title: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: nuggets5 on July 09, 2013, 08:55 pm
Just like the title says. I have to spend an extra 300 bucks each time
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 08:58 pm
Convince your vendor to get an Atlantis account for $25 to take advantage of those beautiful 1% fees.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 09, 2013, 09:05 pm
Convince your vendor to get an Atlantis account for $25 to take advantage of those beautiful 1% fees.

CEREAL???

ATLANTIS IS ONLY $25 FOR A VENDOR ACCOUNT?

HOW BAD IS THE SCAMMING AT ATLANTIS? I SEEM 2 LIKE SR SET UP MORE, BUT IDK.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 09:08 pm
Convince your vendor to get an Atlantis account for $25 to take advantage of those beautiful 1% fees.

CEREAL???

ATLANTIS IS ONLY $25 FOR A VENDOR ACCOUNT?

HOW BAD IS THE SCAMMING AT ATLANTIS? I SEEM 2 LIKE SR SET UP MORE, BUT IDK.

I don't know.  I've never been there.  It does have all of the features that we have been begging to have here for years though...  The fact is that all of the customers are over here.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 09, 2013, 09:18 pm
Convince your vendor to get an Atlantis account for $25 to take advantage of those beautiful 1% fees.

CEREAL???

ATLANTIS IS ONLY $25 FOR A VENDOR ACCOUNT?

HOW BAD IS THE SCAMMING AT ATLANTIS? I SEEM 2 LIKE SR SET UP MORE, BUT IDK.

I don't know.  I've never been there.  It does have all of the features that we have been begging to have here for years though...  The fact is that all of the customers are over here.

I don't know if I could buy off Atlantis. I was browsing the other day and some people had some cheap ass ounces. Don't know if it's bc of the fee's not being that high or what...But ya. o well
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: bbbaac on July 10, 2013, 12:15 am
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 10, 2013, 12:50 am
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...

man, that low registration fee is just 2 low, I feel like I'd be scammed way 2 easy
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 10, 2013, 12:53 am
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...

man, that low registration fee is just 2 low, I feel like I'd be scammed way 2 easy

It used to be free to be a vendor on SR.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 10, 2013, 12:56 am
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...

man, that low registration fee is just 2 low, I feel like I'd be scammed way 2 easy

It used to be free to be a vendor on SR.

But why did that change?
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 10, 2013, 12:59 am
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...

man, that low registration fee is just 2 low, I feel like I'd be scammed way 2 easy

It used to be free to be a vendor on SR.

But why did that change?

I believe that it was because someone threatened to send everyone poison .  A lot of people made converted their accounts to vendor accounts for the hell of it back then.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: nuggets5 on July 10, 2013, 01:16 am
Is it time to switch to Atlantis...?


Need to talk to to vendor
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 10, 2013, 01:19 am
Is it time to switch to Atlantis...?


Need to talk to to vendor

addy plz?
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: nanpa2001 on July 10, 2013, 01:24 am
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...

If someone is sitting on your account, they will hand it over to you. They did that for jesusofrave.
 
From what I can see, Atlantis has a good handle on scamming. Unlike here on SR.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 10, 2013, 01:55 am
i got the same names on both sites for my buyer accounts
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: astor on July 10, 2013, 02:12 am
I don't know.  I've never been there.  It does have all of the features that we have been begging to have here for years though...

Indeed, like in-browser PGP encryption. That is vantastic. As in, you will get v&.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 10, 2013, 02:16 am
I don't know.  I've never been there.  It does have all of the features that we have been begging to have here for years though...

Indeed, like in-browser PGP encryption. That is vantastic. As in, you will get v&.

That is why you should always use manual PGP. ::)  No one is stopping you.  Then there is nothing they could do even if it was a honeypot...  Just saying.

If Atlantis ever does get some buyers then I probably will open an account there too.  When I took a peek that place did not have customers but it did have things like buyer feedback, an FE button, feedback can't be held hostage and they take care of scammers ASAP.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Croskin on July 10, 2013, 02:22 am
I wonder how they would handle a alot of traffic?  It seems that I am now paying an extra 2-300$ on my main purchases, too.  Being that i'm a small timer, I don't even have reason to risk my neck for the reduced profit :/  Although, SR is a great community and cheaper than streets for most things.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Mcrad on July 10, 2013, 02:26 am
what are the fee's for SR up to now?
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: heisenberg2.0 on July 10, 2013, 02:32 am
I don't know.  I've never been there.  It does have all of the features that we have been begging to have here for years though...

Indeed, like in-browser PGP encryption. That is vantastic. As in, you will get v&.

That is why you should always use manual PGP. ::)  No one is stopping you.  Then there is nothing they could do even if it was a honeypot...  Just saying.

If Atlantis ever does get some buyers then I probably will open an account there too.  When I took a peek that place did not have customers but it did have things like buyer feedback, an FE button, feedback can't be held hostage and they take care of scammers ASAP.

You can always just ask your buyers here to follow you over and it's win/win since you can also pass on the commission savings to them
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 10, 2013, 02:35 am
You can always just ask your buyers here to follow you over and it's win/win since you can also pass on the commission savings to them

I don't like that idea.  I'm happy here.  I like my family here.  It's a happy place and I'm content with it.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Mcrad on July 10, 2013, 02:37 am
You can always just ask your buyers here to follow you over and it's win/win since you can also pass on the commission savings to them

I don't like that idea.  I'm happy here.  I like my family here.  It's a happy place and I'm content with it.

as am i. but if fee's continue to rise i may be forced with no other option than to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: SouthSquareBiz on July 10, 2013, 03:18 am
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...

If someone is sitting on your account, they will hand it over to you. They did that for jesusofrave.
 
From what I can see, Atlantis has a good handle on scamming. Unlike here on SR.
Yep, they do.

I signed up 3 months ago and had a chance to look at their seller guide and they run a pretty tight ship.

Now, I am going to say this once and leave it alone: SR, do not become the next Blockbuster!

Netflix/Redbox, which could be Atlantis/BMR, were in the market for quite sometime collecting their money from unsuspecting customers at the entrances of grocery/drug stores and people's mailboxes.

Low and behold, two companies stood standing while one of them died a slow and painful death, not because they were aware, but because they were arrogant and refused to change their business model at the FIRST sign of change.

This is the internet. If you want to spend your dollars elsewhere, you just type in another url.

When it's that easy, one must stay prepared.

I love The Road. It has allowed me to be a part of a revolution and I don't see it slowing down.

However, it is naive to think that as the weeks, months, and years go on, that there will only be one major player.

Keep BTC handy, my friends, and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: danconia on July 10, 2013, 05:00 am
I don't like that idea.  I'm happy here.  I like my family here.  It's a happy place and I'm content with it.
as am i. but if fee's continue to rise i may be forced with no other option than to look elsewhere.

+1.  You would think that fees / rates would go *down* over time as volume of transactions steadily went up but apparently vendors are experiencing the opposite here at SR.  As a buyer (non-vendor) my biggest issue is that many features that should have been implemented here a long time ago are not being implemented, and it seems some *are* being added to Atlantis.

If SR continues on this route they will start to lose serious market share.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Trappy on July 10, 2013, 05:45 am
The resolution center is why you pay the extra fee. We are safer because of the buffer between buyers and scammers, and vendors and scammers.

I don't think that fees will rise any more, but the likelihood that DPR had to pay off some entity to end the attacks increases exponentially with an increase in fees on here.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Real_Drugs on July 10, 2013, 05:54 am
I personally think that DPR is not greedy. If you think about what you are paying the SR staff for it should be worth it. Especially after all the hard work staff have put in after the attacks, scammers and other threats (such as that guy posting addresses.) As well as the constant support and just the whole concept. I understand the fees are quiet high at the moment but I see them dropping down soon, hopefully.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: SelfSovereignty on July 10, 2013, 06:43 am
If he paid somebody off, he made a really questionable choice.  It's anonymous.  Why wouldn't the guy just come back and do it again -- you can't give in to demands like that.  I mean it just basically isn't an option, if you do it once you'll have two more people plus the original guy coming 'round and demanding even more this time.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Trappy on July 10, 2013, 06:55 am
Depending on how much was paid, as long as it was below the lost fees from the site being down or laggy and reduced in services, was the best choice.

Economics of scale can be some fucked up shit.


If the same entity came back, despite being paid off once, the chance of getting paid again would be highly reduced.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Lucius Luv on July 10, 2013, 07:04 am
The increase who knows? maybe the IRS want it's piece of the pie. Or it could be the very little known 'tor tax'.  Maybe it's become more expensive for SR to tumble the coins? 
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: SelfSovereignty on July 10, 2013, 08:30 am
Depending on how much was paid, as long as it was below the lost fees from the site being down or laggy and reduced in services, was the best choice.

Economics of scale can be some fucked up shit.


If the same entity came back, despite being paid off once, the chance of getting paid again would be highly reduced.

The problem with this is that you're assuming there's a prohibitive factor on repeating the attack.  There's a small cost involved, and the fact that you can't be doing it to somebody else because your resources are already allocated... but otherwise, there's nothing to stop them.

There's no real cost, the risk is equal so that wouldn't hinder their decision any, and they would have found a target that paid once.  I dunno... just saying that it sounds like it'd be worth a second try, at least to me.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: heisenberg2.0 on July 10, 2013, 09:12 am
The resolution center is why you pay the extra fee. We are safer because of the buffer between buyers and scammers, and vendors and scammers.

I don't think that fees will rise any more, but the likelihood that DPR had to pay off some entity to end the attacks increases exponentially with an increase in fees on here.

That's kind of a moot point as I think if SR had the same feedback system as Atlantis there would be a lot less resolution's needed in the first place.
It's so much harder for scammers to exist on Atlantis since the feedback system identify each buyer individually and shoes the sale price of the item so unlike the current system here scammers cant just create a stealth listing for $0.01 and buy it 20 times from a second account giving 5/5 each time. To do  the same would involve creating 20 accounts and paying the full price and commission each time which could become very expensive if they catch you.

Not saying scammers don't exist there but the right tools exist on Atlantis to better keep them at bay.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 10, 2013, 08:05 pm
KEEP ON TRAVELING THE ROAD LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: bbbaac on July 10, 2013, 08:51 pm
we should start a vote that by halloween we have put something in so that we can see the buyer beside the feedback. this would change alot
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: joolz on July 10, 2013, 09:54 pm
its all about the beast = paper   :'(
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: thelorax on July 10, 2013, 09:58 pm
fees? what do u mean ur paying fees?

you mean the vender marks up his product ??

because of fees?

JIGGA
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: upthera on July 10, 2013, 11:33 pm
Convince your vendor to get an Atlantis account for $25 to take advantage of those beautiful 1% fees.

CEREAL???

ATLANTIS IS ONLY $25 FOR A VENDOR ACCOUNT?

HOW BAD IS THE SCAMMING AT ATLANTIS? I SEEM 2 LIKE SR SET UP MORE, BUT IDK.

can it be worse than the bosses at SR letting vendors like SuperTrips and a few other 1% vendors get away with what they do.  I don't have much faith in them when it comes to that shit.  and because of it I'm no DPR worshiper like many but I'm noticing many others realizing he is no savior and is really the one letting it happen.  I don't know, just thinking out loud. don't spear me.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: upthera on July 10, 2013, 11:43 pm
and cheaper than streets for most things.

^^^   what streets you been on.  ;-)  I've never seen prices on Opiate prescriptions like I have on SR. 8 times the local street price and many of the benzo's on the road can NOT be trusted.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 11, 2013, 02:29 am
Convince your vendor to get an Atlantis account for $25 to take advantage of those beautiful 1% fees.

CEREAL???

ATLANTIS IS ONLY $25 FOR A VENDOR ACCOUNT?

HOW BAD IS THE SCAMMING AT ATLANTIS? I SEEM 2 LIKE SR SET UP MORE, BUT IDK.

can it be worse than the bosses at SR letting vendors like SuperTrips and a few other 1% vendors get away with what they do.  I don't have much faith in them when it comes to that shit.  and because of it I'm no DPR worshiper like many but I'm noticing many others realizing he is no savior and is really the one letting it happen.  I don't know, just thinking out loud. don't spear me.

Hmmm, what exactly does SR allow the 1% get away with?
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: MarijuanaIsMyMuse on July 11, 2013, 08:11 am
Ya We have accounts on BMR and Atlantis (under Going Postal) Just slow over there
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: BlackIris on July 11, 2013, 08:38 am
they take care of scammers ASAP.

Of course they do. With little traffic it is easy to handle things fast and reliably and understand immediately what's what.
Things change a little when the traffic goes a little up and it's difficult to understand immediately what it happening.

Everything is easy at beginning and/or when you have a situation you can take care of with a simple glance.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: nanpa2001 on July 11, 2013, 10:21 am
they take care of scammers ASAP.

Of course they do. With little traffic it is easy to handle things fast and reliably and understand immediately what's what.
Things change a little when the traffic goes a little up and it's difficult to understand immediately what it happening.

Everything is easy at beginning and/or when you have a situation you can take care of with a simple glance.

It has nothing to do with traffic. Atlantis has systems in place to prevent it, and in the cases where it happens, stop it fast.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: RealJohnnyDepp on July 14, 2013, 09:32 pm
Ya We have accounts on BMR and Atlantis (under Going Postal) Just slow over there

which u like better bmr or atlantis?
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on July 14, 2013, 09:49 pm
I don't know.  I've never been there.  It does have all of the features that we have been begging to have here for years though...

Indeed, like in-browser PGP encryption. That is vantastic. As in, you will get v&.

That is why you should always use manual PGP. ::)  No one is stopping you.  Then there is nothing they could do even if it was a honeypot...  Just saying.

If Atlantis ever does get some buyers then I probably will open an account there too.  When I took a peek that place did not have customers but it did have things like buyer feedback, an FE button, feedback can't be held hostage and they take care of scammers ASAP.

Seems like some healthy competition might do us all a bit of good..

Then again, there's this:

I'm happy here.  I like *the people here.

And I'm usually pretty fucking loyal, so it would be difficult to jump ship.  If finances required me to, then I would do it with great reservation and only if it was absolutely necessary.
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on July 14, 2013, 10:07 pm
I personally think that DPR is not greedy. If you think about what you are paying the SR staff for it should be worth it. Especially after all the hard work staff have put in after the attacks, scammers and other threats (such as that guy posting addresses.) As well as the constant support and just the whole concept. I understand the fees are quiet high at the moment but I see them dropping down soon, hopefully.

We can't give an educated opinion on the staff's income b/c none of us know how much DPR or any of the rest of them make.  All that should matter to buyers in terms of monetary value is whether we are getting fair value for the money. 

I am currently in resolution and IME it favors the vendor b/c I have done nothing wrong and am not willing to take the hit to my perfect stats b/c of someone else's mistake. It looks like he is going to walk away with all of my money even though he offered me a 50% refund.  But this is only my experience. I am sure there have been other instances where it favored the buyer in an unfair manner.

I like to think everyone is doing the best they can. 
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: adamiz on July 14, 2013, 10:15 pm
just cheked atlantis its .66 btc to become a vendor, wont tho because someone seems to have registered my name already...

man, that low registration fee is just 2 low, I feel like I'd be scammed way 2 easy

It used to be free to be a vendor on SR.

Can I say something from my customer perspective?
One reason SR is really trustful to me is the vendoring price fee. I don't why, but in my opinion becoming a vendor here means that you intent and have thought about how to make profit. I believe that the fact that the registration fee is high, keeps scammers away. I don't trust Atlantis for that. Giving 25 dollars to become a vendor? Hm, don't know, I believe it can be easy for people to fool others. I am sure that vendors may disagree with that point of view, but from the customer perspective, I find it easier to trust vendors who actually have invested on it.

Just saying :)

Adamiz
Title: Re: Big Buys on SR aren't even worth it due to the Increased Fees
Post by: wordpresshacker on July 15, 2013, 02:19 am
Convince your vendor to get an Atlantis account for $25 to take advantage of those beautiful 1% fees.

CEREAL???

ATLANTIS IS ONLY $25 FOR A VENDOR ACCOUNT?

HOW BAD IS THE SCAMMING AT ATLANTIS? I SEEM 2 LIKE SR SET UP MORE, BUT IDK.


I'm a vendor on Atlantis and BMR "oh Sheep two" for items I can not sell on SR..  Since Jack mentioned it I would comment.

I see more scams on BMR for fake molly and cut coke then any other item.  Escrow is same, site admins are fair. 

I bought some Molly that seller 100000% said was Real Molly but banged bright Yellow for Bulk MDMA..

Admin banned his account and split the escrow since price difference.  So there are scams but its a case by case. 

Be a wise buyer, luckly my sit s cut and dry "not mentioning what I sell"

If you ask which is less scammy?

Atlantis.  Most all vendors on here are there and BMR...

Im not advertising them only stating my experience...

I use al

I don't know.  I've never been there.  It does have all of the features that we have been begging to have here for years though...  The fact is that all of the customers are over here.