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Title: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: doublebass69 on September 28, 2012, 03:19 am
Hello this is a message to vendors of powdered substances like MDMA,Coke, Dmt, ETC

Im sure many buyers (like me)of these substances would appreciate it, that when you vaccum seal the drugs, if you could add a real bag for the last bag, instead of a vaccum bag.  That way we don't have to dig every little bit of powder out of the vaccum bag and put it into a real bag.  This way a lot less product will be lost, and we don't have to attempt to scrape the side of the vaccum bag.

I don't think there is any shipping issues doing this but if there is please let me know.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: daisyfields on September 28, 2012, 03:26 am
+1

Totally agree. Would also make the disposal of delivery packaging easier without having to worry about powder residue all over everything.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: gestaltassault2 on September 28, 2012, 03:46 am
Hello this is a message to vendors of powdered substances like MDMA,Coke, Dmt, ETC

Im sure many buyers (like me)of these substances would appreciate it, that when you vaccum seal the drugs, if you could add a real bag for the last bag, instead of a vaccum bag.  That way we don't have to dig every little bit of powder out of the vaccum bag and put it into a real bag.  This way a lot less product will be lost, and we don't have to attempt to scrape the side of the vaccum bag.

I don't think there is any shipping issues doing this but if there is please let me know.
there are a few vendors who do that on SR...
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: illusions on September 28, 2012, 04:03 am
+1 couldn't agree more
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: hashmat on September 28, 2012, 06:36 am
Seriously, I enjoy every part of my drug using ritual, including cleaning out every bit with my blade.

"if you could add a real bag for the last bag, instead of a vaccum bag.  That way we don't have to dig every little bit of powder out of the vaccum bag and put it into a real bag.
    This way a lot less product will be lost, and we don't have to attempt to scrape the side of the vaccum bag."

They go to extensive trouble to keep our shit safe man, I'm appreciative of the 2nd bag, the more the safer, the more likely we will get it.
Get a sharper blade man, and you wont have the problem of "a lot less product will be lost". You must surely be capable of slitting a vac bag right down the seam, scrape, add it to your lot and off you go. man it's all part of the ritual, the longer it takes, the more you enjoy it.
 Worry about the bigger things in life dude, turn the small problems into little steps on the way to your destination, relax mate.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: Limetless on September 28, 2012, 06:42 am
Seriously, I enjoy every part of my drug using ritual, including cleaning out every bit with my blade.

"if you could add a real bag for the last bag, instead of a vaccum bag.  That way we don't have to dig every little bit of powder out of the vaccum bag and put it into a real bag.
    This way a lot less product will be lost, and we don't have to attempt to scrape the side of the vaccum bag."

They go to extensive trouble to keep our shit safe man, I'm appreciative of the 2nd bag, the more the safer, the more likely we will get it.
Get a sharper blade man, and you wont have the problem of "a lot less product will be lost". You must surely be capable of slitting a vac bag right down the seam, scrape, add it to your lot and off you go. man it's all part of the ritual, the longer it takes, the more you enjoy it.
 Worry about the bigger things in life dude, turn the small problems into little steps on the way to your destination, relax mate.

Haha I like you mate. +1 :)
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: MarijuanaIsMyMuse on September 28, 2012, 04:44 pm
This isn't common practice? I always use a little baggie as the first layer of packaging, and then double vacuum seal to provide 3 levels of enclosure, regardless of what I ship. Those vacuum bags are too textured inside. You would loose a bunch of product in those little vacuum bag pockets. Well that's my way of doing things. And of curse a label on the inner baggie for what it is. Very useful for multiple item orders.
It always surprises me when buyers request something like this, it just seems like common sense. But then again, I don't order much from the road and when I do it's to check my competition, see how they pack and test their product compared to mine. And then steal whatever they're doing that work/looks better than what I'm doing.

MJMuse
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: HungLong on September 28, 2012, 04:59 pm
This isn't common practice? I always use a little baggie as the first layer of packaging, and then double vacuum seal to provide 3 levels of enclosure, regardless of what I ship. Those vacuum bags are too textured inside. You would loose a bunch of product in those little vacuum bag pockets. Well that's my way of doing things. And of curse a label on the inner baggie for what it is. Very useful for multiple item orders.
It always surprises me when buyers request something like this, it just seems like common sense. But then again, I don't order much from the road and when I do it's to check my competition, see how they pack and test their product compared to mine. And then steal whatever they're doing that work/looks better than what I'm doing.

MJMuse

If only everyone employed "common sense" such as yourself MIMM ;)

I remember my 2nd order on SR, well over a year ago! - came with shit leaking out of the envelope (MDMA). Vendor forgot to vacuum seal it!!! Just using at least 1 more bag would have at least prevented shit falling out, however, I find even though there is so called "standards" when committing to being a vendor on SR, most of the time vendors don't follow these anyway. I believe this all leads back to the feedback/rating system which needs to be improvised/improved. Just my opinion :)
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: over_done_soup on September 28, 2012, 09:38 pm
while i agree it has to be correctly vacc-ed/air purged, i disagree a powder should be in a drug baggie then outer sealed, i like to receive my envelopes totally flat, with a dope baggie you can feel the zipper, not good at all imo, im happy to open a vac with total care and never loose a grain, and scraping for the remainder has never been a issue for me either.

Im happy for my seller to sent it discreet and flat with out a zipper bag please, and would consider down grading a rating if the envelope felt dodgy.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: deivoxcarnal on September 28, 2012, 10:26 pm
I can see both sides of this position. I wouldn't mind only the vacuum bag if it helped my package in the stealth department.
So long as I didn't lose more than .1 g in the scraping. From what I read vendors often overweigh their powders for scale discrepancy and such.

I know from past experience that getting all of your goodies out of even a simple dope bag can be a pain, although I love going for the numb-y  8)

The feedback system has been brought up though, and I agree that it could use some more thought. Though I don't know how I would change it.
A little bit more detail could really go a long way as far as helpful and informative feedback.
And yeah, a page full of "FE for trusted shipper" doesn't help.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: MarijuanaIsMyMuse on September 29, 2012, 01:42 am
while i agree it has to be correctly vacc-ed/air purged, i disagree a powder should be in a drug baggie then outer sealed, i like to receive my envelopes totally flat, with a dope baggie you can feel the zipper, not good at all imo, im happy to open a vac with total care and never loose a grain, and scraping for the remainder has never been a issue for me either.

Im happy for my seller to sent it discreet and flat with out a zipper bag please, and would consider down grading a rating if the envelope felt dodgy.

Obviously you haven't ordered from me and the vendors you've been using don't know how to stealthily pad a package. I send everything in an inner baggie and then triple sealed. Weed, pills, powders, all of it.If you were to pickup the envelope and run your hands over it, both sides you wouldn't find anything. I've had orders that have arrived at their intended destination that have been opened and inspected and nothing has been found. More vendors need to take some of their profits and order from their competitors to get a better understanding of packing techniques. And as a bonus, you end up with lots of options when it comes to changing up your shipping method. And with a little imagination you can start mixing and matching methods for even more stealth techniques. If nothing else, I've discovered that my packing is better than 90% of the methods currently in use and the time and effort needed to get to 100% would be too time consuming with my current order load and slow down order processing and shipping.

MJMuse
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: Limetless on September 29, 2012, 01:55 am
MIMM you so fly!  ;)  8)
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: MarijuanaIsMyMuse on September 29, 2012, 05:18 am
It helps to know people who work for Canada Post and the Canadian Border Services Agency that have no idea what I really do. I also watch The Border a lot, It's the Canadian equivalent of Australia's Border Security. It's also a great way to frame questions in casual conversations.

I've also spent several thousand dollars on orders to other top vendors just to check out their packing techniques. You can learn a lot looking at others techniques and methods. Once you've seen enough different methods you can start mixing and matching and creating entirely new methods.

Wandering aimlessly through stationary stores like staples and office depot can really get the creative juices flowing. Same with the kids toy section of big chains like Walmart & Toys R Us. So many boxes of different sizes with items that shake and rattle and weigh different amounts. And usually cheap too. As in Low Value, duty free or minimal import fees.

I was always told I was too smart for my own good. Maybe they were right. Or maybe I just prefer to exist in the morally grey zone.

MJMuse
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: Limetless on September 29, 2012, 05:24 am
It helps to know people who work for Canada Post and the Canadian Border Services Agency that have no idea what I really do. I also watch The Border a lot, It's the Canadian equivalent of Australia's Border Security. It's also a great way to frame questions in casual conversations.

I've also spent several thousand dollars on orders to other top vendors just to check out their packing techniques. You can learn a lot looking at others techniques and methods. Once you've seen enough different methods you can start mixing and matching and creating entirely new methods.

Wandering aimlessly through stationary stores like staples and office depot can really get the creative juices flowing. Same with the kids toy section of big chains like Walmart & Toys R Us. So many boxes of different sizes with items that shake and rattle and weigh different amounts. And usually cheap too. As in Low Value, duty free or minimal import fees.

I was always told I was too smart for my own good. Maybe they were right. Or maybe I just prefer to exist in the morally grey zone.

MJMuse

Haha my friend I can imagine you do know your shit to be fair. Shipping containers however, that's like painting the frescoes in the Vatican. ;)
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: MarijuanaIsMyMuse on September 29, 2012, 05:27 am
That's what i'm going to be researching this weekend as soon i finish some updates on my profile snd getting my new listings up. Then we'll chat.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: daisyfields on September 29, 2012, 06:43 am
Since we are on the topic of vacuum bags - where the hell do you buy em from? Looking for smallish ones, 2x3 inch size. Are vendors just using the food grade packets or something else?  I've been to all the shops around here and done a pretty good look online, but think i'm missing something.

Can someone send me a link to where i can buy these online? Or tell me what i should be searching for, brand etc? Please and thank you!
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: Limetless on September 29, 2012, 07:03 am
That's what i'm going to be researching this weekend as soon i finish some updates on my profile snd getting my new listings up. Then we'll chat.

BTO - Taking Care of Business. ;)

Yeah once you have done ya research get with me and we can compare notes. I am going to do the other thing for you over the weekend today too. :)
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: over_done_soup on September 29, 2012, 09:48 am
while i agree it has to be correctly vacc-ed/air purged, i disagree a powder should be in a drug baggie then outer sealed, i like to receive my envelopes totally flat, with a dope baggie you can feel the zipper, not good at all imo, im happy to open a vac with total care and never loose a grain, and scraping for the remainder has never been a issue for me either.

Im happy for my seller to sent it discreet and flat with out a zipper bag please, and would consider down grading a rating if the envelope felt dodgy.

Obviously you haven't ordered from me and the vendors you've been using don't know how to stealthily pad a package. I send everything in an inner baggie and then triple sealed. Weed, pills, powders, all of it.If you were to pickup the envelope and run your hands over it, both sides you wouldn't find anything. I've had orders that have arrived at their intended destination that have been opened and inspected and nothing has been found. More vendors need to take some of their profits and order from their competitors to get a better understanding of packing techniques. And as a bonus, you end up with lots of options when it comes to changing up your shipping method. And with a little imagination you can start mixing and matching methods for even more stealth techniques. If nothing else, I've discovered that my packing is better than 90% of the methods currently in use and the time and effort needed to get to 100% would be too time consuming with my current order load and slow down order processing and shipping.

MJMuse


so why did pick on me? i wasnt picking on any seller in particular, if you actually read the the part where  i said;

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would consider down grading a rating if the envelope felt dodgy.
  <<<< wouldnt you?

i havnt even said i get dodgy packages from sellers, in fact 99.9% have been very impressive, but some how you have assumed i get dodgy packages and have slagged off your packing because you use more than one layer!!?!!

If your packages are flat even with inner layers with a zip , HUGE CUDOS TO YOU (and to all the other sellers who make an effort) - and im glad you think your the best, you seem to have taken this as a personal attack, and that was far from my intention.


I would prefer a flat package, full stop, whether a seller uses 1 or 10 layer, zip or not, if its flat, perfect.

Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: TheBusiness on September 29, 2012, 03:26 pm
Glad someone mentioned this. The textured vac seal bags are painful to scrape / tap / licks drugs from. It's only happened to me twice and I lost up to 0.1g which is a LOT whatever you're buying. Especially if you paying a premium because of quality or location. I didn't give the vendors negative feedback but if it happens again I'll bring it up with the vendor. Not cool guys.  Thanks so much OP.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: Looker on October 07, 2012, 12:31 am
Perhaps you should buy a bit more then whatever size you are so .1 ends up not really mattering. I suppose if you are buying 1g at a time but thats firstly the most expensive way to buy it, and it's not like it has no shelf life. Or obviously you could sell your overage at a markup that covers the expense of your portion like some people do. Most of the better vendors here (like ivory) usually are pretty good on overage so unless you are getting less than 1g (and most are probably more like 1.1-1.2) then I don't see what you have to complain about, not like it's hard to hang on to a few small baggies from various other things to use for it.
Title: Re: A message to vendors of powdered substances...
Post by: Ktown99 on October 07, 2012, 12:51 am
I've made a couple of purchases now and noticed a couple of differences in how each seller packages.

I was pleasantly surprised that the MDMA vendor triple vac sealed where as the mcat vendor only single sealed. I was disappointed by this and could actually smell some of the mcat through the packaging.