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Title: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: turningjapanese on August 21, 2012, 01:41 pm
This is on naturalnews.co. Now, There is no source for  this info, but of course I believe it ^.^ Said to be completed "in a few years"

I would like to cpoy/paste the link (or better yet the words?) But I never got an answer in my previous thread: Is it safe to copy/paste and/or upload pics from your own comp to SR?
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: kmfkewm on August 21, 2012, 03:21 pm
Yes it is safe as can be to post links, uploading pics requires that you remove metadata and even then it isn't suggested but should be fairly safe particularly it is safe if you did not take the picture yourself.

The person who wrote that article does not understand quantum computing, although it is true that it can pwn many forms of modern encryption if it ever gets advanced enough anyway. There are already quantum immune public key algorithms though, so it is hardly the end of privacy PERIOD...just the end of discrete logarithm and prime factorization based public key encryption.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: quinone on August 21, 2012, 03:42 pm
Good luck maintaining a state of decoherence in a multi-qubit logic circuit.  Granted IBM has established a 7 qubit array that doesn't break decoherence, each additional quibit makes it exponentially harder to maintain quantum superposition.

This is only describing the logic circuit itself, research on input, output and a number of other technologies required for a functional machine is pretty much only just beginning.

Fuck Schrödinger and his dead and alive cat :P :P
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: turningjapanese on August 21, 2012, 03:49 pm
Mommy, what are the strange foreigners talking about?! :P

What does this mean for PGP encryption?

Thanks for letting me know about the security suffs, KMFKEWM.

Here's the article in question

*Clearnet*

http://www.naturalnews.com/036878_quantum_computing_decryption_algorithms_government_secrets.html
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: kmfkewm on August 22, 2012, 10:03 am
but what about Autism !!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: LouisCyphre on August 22, 2012, 01:01 pm
Mommy, what are the strange foreigners talking about?! :P

What does this mean for PGP encryption?

Thanks for letting me know about the security suffs, KMFKEWM.

Here's the article in question

*Clearnet*

http://www.naturalnews.com/036878_quantum_computing_decryption_algorithms_government_secrets.html

This article is a rather dicey mixture of fact, speculation and outright fiction.  The site, overall, appears to be aimed at 'natural health' advocates, who are highly distrustful of government and, to a lesser extent, the medical establishment. They are pushing stuff like, "Vaccines: Get The Full Story".  Vaccines are hurting children!

I definitely wouldn't be getting my crypto data from that site.  Even just sitting back and looking at the article without reading it tells you all you need to know about the paranoid and sensational views of the author, all you have to do is read the bits that are in bold.

I agree with what you say on vaccines too.  The whooping cough thing is flaring up all over the place too.

After we kill the lawyers (Henry V), we kill the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists.  And those dicks in Pakistan doing the same thing.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: ENBOOM on August 27, 2012, 07:44 pm
With Quantum Computing comes Quantum Assymetric Encryption.

We already have an encryption algorithm made for when Quantum becomes the household thing.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: mmmolly44 on August 27, 2012, 07:55 pm
Wow, If you are going to post, please do not use Natural News as a source for computational advancements.  Next of all, I find your opinion on vaccines absolutely uneducated and misinformed.  You obviously have not had family members INJURED by vaccines.  You state whooping cough outbreak? Down here in the USA the only people who got whooping cough were vaccinated against it.  The vaccine has a 50/50 chance of working anyways, its not exactly what I'd call safe.  I do not vaccinate my children and they have never been sick, and they will never get sick, because their immune systems aren't being ruined by toxins and chemicals inside of vaccines.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: thereisnospoon on August 27, 2012, 08:45 pm
I've seen the site before. While I like some of the info and have a serious interest in holistic methods, the delivery system of the site is a bit over the top. I will say that I think vaccines are fucked in many many instances. Definitely do NOT want any kind of argument here since I see this as a very hot topic. I've seen enough to know what I would do. When it comes to big pharma, vaccine companies, CONVENTIONAL medicine is mostly for profit. I do not trust the institutions and facilities promoting vaccines. I see the need for MOST vaccines as propaganda. Not altogether of course. Conventional modern medicine absolutely has it's place. But swine flu, HIV and AIDS and endless cases of dis info that's been going on for a long time, I don't trust the institution. What about sars? Anyone south park fans? Great episode on sars. There's toxic mercury and who knows what else in vaccines. The debate can go on for ages though. But I do think it's criminal the drugs pumped into the public. Especially children. Try raising your kids on actual foods. Not doritos, taco bell, and fried chicken. There's REAL reasons people are against vaccines. Real cases. Vaccines are part of the status quo. I see those who support vaccines and most conventional medical practices as also conventional in lifestyle. Our lifestyle, toxic planet, food, poisons everywhere are a much bigger threat than not taking vaccines IMO. And autism I definitely believe comes from them.

Dig you gu! But we'll have to have opposing viewpoints. I thought actually when you were talking about people doing what to their own bodies, I thought you were going to be FOR them taking vaccines if they want haha. Bless us all!
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: thereisnospoon on August 27, 2012, 08:54 pm
oh yeah, when i heard about the cracking code info, i was expecting to see the educated response here. i knew there must be other methods beyond what they discussed.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: jameslink2 on August 27, 2012, 10:43 pm
They are pushing stuff like, "Vaccines: Get The Full Story".  Vaccines are hurting children!

I believe people have a right to do with their bodies as they wish; when it comes to their kids, however, it's another story.  I think vaccinations should be mandatory, unless one has a proven medical reason not to be vaccinated.

I will say that I think vaccines are fucked in many many instances. Definitely do NOT want any kind of argument here since I see this as a very hot topic. I've seen enough to know what I would do. When it comes to big pharma, vaccine companies, CONVENTIONAL medicine is mostly for profit. I do not trust the institutions and facilities promoting vaccines. I see the need for MOST vaccines as propaganda. Not altogether of course. Conventional modern medicine absolutely has it's place. But swine flu, HIV and AIDS and endless cases of dis info that's been going on for a long time, I don't trust the institution. What about sars? Anyone south park fans? Great episode on sars. There's toxic mercury and who knows what else in vaccines. The debate can go on for ages though. But I do think it's criminal the drugs pumped into the public. Especially children. Try raising your kids on actual foods. Not doritos, taco bell, and fried chicken. There's REAL reasons people are against vaccines. Real cases. Vaccines are part of the status quo. I see those who support vaccines and most conventional medical practices as also conventional in lifestyle. Our lifestyle, toxic planet, food, poisons everywhere are a much bigger threat than not taking vaccines IMO. And autism I definitely believe comes from them.

I am a bit torn on this subject. First with Guru's comment on mandatory vaccines. They tried that with the HPV vaccine locally and found all kinds of side effects and problems. To the point that the state dropped the requirement. So in may ways I support peoples decisions on what vaccines their kids get.

However, thereisnospoon... Not sure I agree with you. Recently there has been a local outbreak of measles and whopping cough. Because the parents did not vaccinate there kids. The problem here is that the vaccines ware off and adults are catching it from the kids.

I personally believe that we are over vaccinated in many cases. The length that the vaccine lasts is note well studied so they push to get vaccinated more than one should. A good example of this is the tetanus vaccine. For as long as I remember it has been every 3 years you needed to get a booster, or maybe it was 5 years. Now they are saying you need a booster every 12 years.


Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: 3dkf3sdf on August 27, 2012, 11:07 pm
Though it might not be the best source, at least it has empirical research as well as historical research, I suggest "the panic virus" by Seth M. buy it and read it. The problem with America is most people are too stupid to realize how stupid they are. Without giving away my profession I can easily say vaccines save lives. Learn some fucking elementary biology and chemistry you stupid fucks.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: thereisnospoon on August 27, 2012, 11:33 pm
I would say, we are a set of states that are not healthy. We eat gmo, processed, pesticidal, larvicidal, herbicidal, and chemicals galore in all most foods and all restaurants except a choice few are full of the same sourced factory farmed crap.

I'm not saying this means we don't need vaccines, but at all the fuckin convenience and super market stores parading the shingles vaccines and whatever else... i mean come on, if you know anything, you know the flu vaccines are pure bullshit. there's tons of flus and the vaccines barely do anything. we are indoctrinated, undereducated, demineralized, and domesticated.

You put the blessed children on living organic foods and build the immune system like it should be built, and most of the vaccines become unnecessary. just like most of the big pharma drugs, most of the doctors orders, and most all else of the detriment absolutely NEEDED and DEPENDED on for the medical Industries to survive. it's not personal. it's just business.

if you are one to only trust your doctor.... you probably disagree here.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: koeeoaddi on August 28, 2012, 12:24 am
I see these goddamn fucking idiots who refuse to have their kids vaccinated, and it makes my blood boil!  They should talk to their parents and grandparents, and ask them about what it was like before vaccines became commonly available.  Stroll though a graveyard sometime, and look at all the headstones belonging to children who died as infants or toddlers of  what are now preventable diseases.

Guru

im not up for entering into a debate about this, but i guess i just wanna add that you oughta read into the whole vaccination thing a little more.  it isn't all baseless and sensationalist nonsense.  i wish i had some sources for you on hand, but alas!  have a good'un, and cheers
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: Whothefuckisthis on August 28, 2012, 03:39 am
With Quantum Computing comes Quantum Assymetric Encryption.

We already have an encryption algorithm made for when Quantum becomes the household thing.
That is IF you'll be able to afford quantum when it gets here. I imagine it will be pretty pricey once we figure out how to mass produce it in desktop size ( last time I checked that still wasn't fully functional).
Wow, If you are going to post, please do not use Natural News as a source for computational advancements.  Next of all, I find your opinion on vaccines absolutely uneducated and misinformed.  You obviously have not had family members INJURED by vaccines.  You state whooping cough outbreak? Down here in the USA the only people who got whooping cough were vaccinated against it.  The vaccine has a 50/50 chance of working anyways, its not exactly what I'd call safe.  I do not vaccinate my children and they have never been sick, and they will never get sick, because their immune systems aren't being ruined by toxins and chemicals inside of vaccines.
Wow you obviously don't know anything about chemistry and the body (biochemistry), but I'm sure in your mind you believe the US government also made that up too right?  ;D
Hopefully your kids don't catch malaria, cholera, or TB.  ;D
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: wizdom on August 28, 2012, 04:21 am
Mommy, what are the strange foreigners talking about?! :P

What does this mean for PGP encryption?

Thanks for letting me know about the security suffs, KMFKEWM.

Here's the article in question

*Clearnet*

http://www.naturalnews.com/036878_quantum_computing_decryption_algorithms_government_secrets.html
g idiots who refuse to have their kids vaccinated, and it makes my blood boil!  They should...Stroll though a graveyard sometime, and look at all the headstones belonging to children who died as infants or toddlers of  what are now preventable diseases.

Guru

I am with you Guru. The only partial blessing is hopefully they are culling their genes from the pool.

Wizdom
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: kmfkewm on August 28, 2012, 04:58 am
Wow, If you are going to post, please do not use Natural News as a source for computational advancements.  Next of all, I find your opinion on vaccines absolutely uneducated and misinformed.  You obviously have not had family members INJURED by vaccines.  You state whooping cough outbreak? Down here in the USA the only people who got whooping cough were vaccinated against it.  The vaccine has a 50/50 chance of working anyways, its not exactly what I'd call safe.  I do not vaccinate my children and they have never been sick, and they will never get sick, because their immune systems aren't being ruined by toxins and chemicals inside of vaccines.

Wow that sucks for your children.
Title: Re: Prime factoring quantum computing- The end of privacy PERIOD?
Post by: kmfkewm on August 28, 2012, 05:02 am
I've seen the site before. While I like some of the info and have a serious interest in holistic methods, the delivery system of the site is a bit over the top. I will say that I think vaccines are fucked in many many instances. Definitely do NOT want any kind of argument here since I see this as a very hot topic. I've seen enough to know what I would do. When it comes to big pharma, vaccine companies, CONVENTIONAL medicine is mostly for profit. I do not trust the institutions and facilities promoting vaccines. I see the need for MOST vaccines as propaganda. Not altogether of course. Conventional modern medicine absolutely has it's place. But swine flu, HIV and AIDS and endless cases of dis info that's been going on for a long time, I don't trust the institution. What about sars? Anyone south park fans? Great episode on sars. There's toxic mercury and who knows what else in vaccines. The debate can go on for ages though. But I do think it's criminal the drugs pumped into the public. Especially children. Try raising your kids on actual foods. Not doritos, taco bell, and fried chicken. There's REAL reasons people are against vaccines. Real cases. Vaccines are part of the status quo. I see those who support vaccines and most conventional medical practices as also conventional in lifestyle. Our lifestyle, toxic planet, food, poisons everywhere are a much bigger threat than not taking vaccines IMO. And autism I definitely believe comes from them.

Dig you gu! But we'll have to have opposing viewpoints. I thought actually when you were talking about people doing what to their own bodies, I thought you were going to be FOR them taking vaccines if they want haha. Bless us all!

You may qualify for crazy. There is nothing to debate. You are probably clinically diagnosable as suffering from some paranoid personality disorder if you think modern medicine is a conspiracy (well, other than anti depressants, those are kind of a conspiracy) . You are obviously not a doctor or even remotely educated regarding medicine. Isn't it amazing how smart you must be to be a layperson with more knowledge about HIV than Ph.D holding researchers who have been studying it for decades? Don't you realize that it is probably you who has not got  a clue?