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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: skills on July 27, 2012, 04:23 am
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I think you all might have read about:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=32687.0
What can result from here, is being discussed but really, no one knows even if this will be a good or bad thing to SR.
Even though the admins from this place might want to have more sellers i do believe that this place will attract more buyers than sellers, the demand will be GIGANTIC... post mails will flood with droogs and might become a threat to the public health (they say)
Surely sellers will sell more and more, but prepare to ask for early finalization (Screwing some good people in the middle but hey, it's life) lol, as this might get some junkies and Kiddies looking for a thrill (millions of them). my left ear is burning
And you admins, might as well have a crew (A big one) on the resolution centers taking care of the discussions AND loose the service quality.
I STRONGLY advice you to adopt an INVITATION only access system (like the first biggest TORRENT websites did) and control the becoming flooding lol. I wold invite all my friends and teach them how to use this marvelous way to reach some happiness
or probably im a bit high and this makes no sense. in this case, gimme some negative jarma (don't..)
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Holy fuck this can't be good! I think the admin shouldn't allow anymore users to join!!!
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What if this is the only way for someone to get their medicine? A reliable vendor has something that that person needs and wouldn't have access to it because the admins said, NO MORE USERS... Apparently upwards of a thousand dispensaries are closing in cali. People need access to things like this. If you take the time to create the account and get the coins and risk your freedom, then you should be allowed here. But freedom comes with responsibility. The kiddies can be weeded out. Junkies are gonna get it no matter what so why not help them out with a little harm reduction. I'm not in favor of shutting down access. Thats terrible! I love this community and am glad to be a part of it. and ivitation only? Hows that gonna work... you give out invites to the hero members and mods... let them decide who gets access? They would have to push access onto others and talk about it to even hand them out. Then you'd have a bunch of angsty teens bickering over invites and no one would get anywhere. The SR isn't going anywhere. Don't let the media cloud your judgement and scare you with their lies and coverage. Be proud of who you are and stand up for what you believe in.
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Uhm, this site has already been in the news countless times already where have you been
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I don't rely on this website to get my stuff mate :P, it really is a good way to get it conveniently and a little bit cheaper (Will never be a problem in Portugal get these stuff)
This will be a problem, believe me. Invitations would work better taking in account that to have one you would need to search for it, or simply be invited (When you "invite" someone, they will take more care of the place, than if they just got in for themselves).
The growth would happen any way my friend :), the difference would be on how fast it would. I don't think that Dread Pirate Roberts will even read this, but there can be no good in having thousands of visitors at one time (Server will crash more likely), precautions at least need to be taken.
--> About the invitations, any registered user Could get 10 INvitations, and spread the word, the new 10 ones that probably know what a drug is (if you know what i mean here) would send another 10, and voilá, on the second row of sent invitations you have 100 guests and if those 100 deliver 10 each (or they might even sell them, parallel economy) and it's a 1000 members now!!! WOW :D . What if the chain breaks? Give the regular users even more invites to send!\~~~
If you have a controlled access there is time to Educate the people that come by.
Uhm, this site has already been in the news countless times already where have you been
Not on a national channel my friend, not in this type of media and in a channel with this dimension :).
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Here we go again. ::)
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Here we go again. ::)
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SR has been preparing for the waves of new customers it will be receiving, like they say "any press is good press." Remember the more people using SR the harder it is to shutdown because if you read the shutdown of TFM it was I believe only six people running the site and were accepting all types of clearnet payments. Now take SR and you have hundreds of vendors from around the world using PGP, BTC, Tumblers/Mixers, etc and it's going to take LE a ton of money/manpower to even make a dent in SR and I highly doubt they'll even try because it's not really worth their time.
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Skills, we would make this site invite only, but you're already here, so it's too late now. Every single post you've made on these forums has been fucking retarded and useless.
A few examples
"Controlled access giving time to educate the people that come by?" What the fuck are you talking about, the entire point of this site and the philosophy of the creator of this site himself is that it is the responsibility of the individual to educate themselves and make good choices for themselves. That's as opposed to having dumbfucks such as yourself or the government do it for them.
"i do believe that this place will attract more buyers than sellers, the demand will be GIGANTIC... post mails will flood with droogs and might become a threat to the public health (they say)"
First of all, using the term droogs is fucking retarded, second of all, if you actually believe that drugs are a threat to public health then that is just one more reason for you to stop poisoning silk road with your presence, and thirdly larger demand and more publicity will only rope in more sellers who have connects but aren't the type to sell on the streets.
Honestly, the irony of a dumb fuck with 7 posts whining about how sr should be invite only astounds me, I would be shocked if you weren't a teenager in real life.
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Not on a national channel my friend, not in this type of media and in a channel with this dimension :).
Surely you jest/troool. You've heard of Senator Chuck Schumer right.
I can't think of a single media org that hasn't done an SR story.
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Skills, we would make this site invite only, but you're already here, so it's too late now. Every single post you've made on these forums has been fucking retarded and useless.
A few examples
"Controlled access giving time to educate the people that come by?" What the fuck are you talking about, the entire point of this site and the philosophy of the creator of this site himself is that it is the responsibility of the individual to educate themselves and make good choices for themselves. That's as opposed to having dumbfucks such as yourself or the government do it for them.
"i do believe that this place will attract more buyers than sellers, the demand will be GIGANTIC... post mails will flood with droogs and might become a threat to the public health (they say)"
First of all, using the term droogs is fucking retarded, second of all, if you actually believe that drugs are a threat to public health then that is just one more reason for you to stop poisoning silk road with your presence, and thirdly larger demand and more publicity will only rope in more sellers who have connects but aren't the type to sell on the streets.
Honestly, the irony of a dumb fuck with 7 posts whining about how sr should be invite only astounds me, I would be shocked if you weren't a teenager in real life.
You sir, should quit on psychedelics as they are really fucking your head up :P
Be polite next time you douche :). I was establishing my point of view on what should be a freedom apologist forum. I hope that you're only a bad person because of the anonymity covering your ass mate, but really, you should solve your anger problems :P
"Controlled access giving time to educate the people that come by"
Explaining how things work you asshole low IQ dumbfuck. Not giving moral lessons. What a prick.. no individual can decide for himself what's the best for him, you always should listen to a third person and afterwards take a decision... but i was not talking about this, GPG instead for example, and many other issues that might become an obstacle to the majority.
Of course i'm a teenager, i'm only 13
And now suck my tiny dick, you pedophile.
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I have seen the whole media attention scare here before
and I have also seen quite a few debates about resticting access to the road in various ways.
I understand and respect why DPR wants this place to be an open community. and I also understand the fears of having a bunch of newbs rush on board (I can't think of a single day where I don't see at least one first time poster making a whole slew of fuck ups)
I think that a good compromise would be to put a pgp test in the account registration. where it gives you a public key and a captcha and has you type the captcha message in to a note and encrypt it for the key. Maybe put a link to a PGP tutorial for people that don't know but are willing to learn
Just that little thing would make a giant difference in the amount of flagrantly retarded users that pop up on a daily basis.
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DrGonzoII , that's also a good idea, would filter a bit and give to the clearnet all the work of explaining how to get in here using GPG...
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SR has been preparing for the waves of new customers it will be receiving, like they say "any press is good press." Remember the more people using SR the harder it is to shutdown because if you read the shutdown of TFM it was I believe only six people running the site and were accepting all types of clearnet payments. Now take SR and you have hundreds of vendors from around the world using PGP, BTC, Tumblers/Mixers, etc and it's going to take LE a ton of money/manpower to even make a dent in SR and I highly doubt they'll even try because it's not really worth their time.
Quite right. The only thing I would add is that instead of "Remember the more people using SR the harder it is to shutdown..." I'd say "The more people running Tor relays the harder it will be to shut down Silk Road [and any other darknet sites]."
Run a Tor relay and encourage your friends to do the same ~~ do your part to help preserve anonymity on the Internet.
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I honestly don't understand why people think that invitations would be beneficial. Do people think that invitations would stop LE gaining access to the site? Or is it more a case of limiting growth, with the presumption that a smaller userbase is less likely to draw the attention of the scary men with all the power?
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I honestly don't understand why people think that invitations would be beneficial. Do people think that invitations would stop LE gaining access to the site? Or is it more a case of limiting growth, with the presumption that a smaller userbase is less likely to draw the attention of the scary men with all the power?
I agree with an invitation based system, Just to lower the flood of noobs and the unwanted heat they could bring
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Yet another invitation-thread... ^^ I think there has been countless over the time i'm here.
I don't like the idea of creating a 'elite" or 'invited' people community out of SR, I also don't like to creat a two-level access area (even if i got your point guru and it's a truly great idea to have a proof that someone can use pgp,but that doesn't change the mind of any person or even doesn't allow someone to have more privileges than someone other imo).
We are all here and we want to be threaten equally (ok, there is a vendor exclusive forum, but it's there for its' reasons and not to split the community, the "two classes" of buyer and vendor should be clear for everyone here ;) ) and in my opinion an invite system can change this. We all love to have our information for free and we all like/love that we could join SR for free, w/o any invitation, but just with some free information we could find on the web or got by a talking with someone we trust. So why change that system?
Besides that points, SR tries to be a revolution (or even is said to be one... ;) ). So just imagine: 'There would be a revolution, but you have no invite' ... sounds like a big fail to me.
So there will be a gigantic flood of newbs and perhaps the resolution center would take (in a bad bad, or very well case) about 1 month, would that really change something? If you're an established and honest buyer or a trusted vendor, you wouldn't even notice that change, because you'll never see a fucking resolution center ;)
Hopefully SR won't change the join politic and i'm pretty sure they won't :)
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why is it always n00bs suggesting this place should be invite only? n00bs - how the fuck would you have got here if it was invite only? it's just not going to happen.
SR has been in the Times, which is actually quite an educational newspaper. if that article didn't manage to shut this place down, a piece of shit like CNN hasn't got a chance has it
i know it's more of a military thing but i think it fits well here - FNG's ::)
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I have seen the whole media attention scare here before
and I have also seen quite a few debates about resticting access to the road in various ways.
I understand and respect why DPR wants this place to be an open community. and I also understand the fears of having a bunch of newbs rush on board (I can't think of a single day where I don't see at least one first time poster making a whole slew of fuck ups)
I think that a good compromise would be to put a pgp test in the account registration. where it gives you a public key and a captcha and has you type the captcha message in to a note and encrypt it for the key. Maybe put a link to a PGP tutorial for people that don't know but are willing to learn
Just that little thing would make a giant difference in the amount of flagrantly retarded users that pop up on a daily basis.
I would suggest the following: two-level access. Initial access would not require a PGP key to be submitted. However in order to increase one's level of access, one should be required to submit a proper PGP key, and correctly respond to an automated challenge.
In other words, once a prospective user submits a PGP key, the system generates a randomly-generated challenge string, and encrypts it with the users' PGP public key. The user is presented with the encrypted challenge. In order for the system to raise their level of access, the user must decrypt the challenge, and submit the challenge string to the system. If the string matches, then the user has demonstrated that they have at least mastered the rudiments of PGP.
What do other people think of this idea?
Guru
I like Guru approach. and i also think that SR should have vendors use PGP. i have noticed that some do not. me personally i do not buy from anyone who doesn't.
This is an open market, and it being on the darkweb it will always get attention from LE. but this is why vendors pay fees, and the reason why SR has a team. It is to make the necessary improvements to keep SR safe as well as us and the vendors. I have been on hear since the first gawker story. it took me a while till to purchase because i wanted to be safe. smart people will do that same. i didnt know jack shit, and a year+ later im still here enjoy all of its delites. SR is here to stay. Trust me. let it get its attention. it means a bigger community.
Also i have seen so many changes since i have been here. there was no hedging. btc prices went up to 30 bucks in matter of days. and would fluctuate not cents but dollars in mins. SR put hedging. then people started getting concerned about wallets and sending money to SR and vendors taking their money out, SR solution a mixer. we have a new look, this forum was put in later. the former forums was in SR. the new FE rule because of scamming. they also put a capta when logging in. the sign in page was totally different. all these changes SR has made for the people of SR. do not think the CNN is a negative. think it has a change for the better, think of the new vendors (hopefully trust worthy) we will see with new strains, hopefully better prices, etc. SR is here to stay. keep buying, keep being smart and safe.
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why is it always n00bs suggesting this place should be invite only? n00bs - how the fuck would you have got here if it was invite only? it's just not going to happen.
SR has been in the Times, which is actually quite an educational newspaper. if that article didn't manage to shut this place down, a piece of shit like CNN hasn't got a chance has it
i know it's more of a military thing but i think it fits well here - FNG's ::)
I exposed my point of view, i'm happy that some persons here took the time to respond with manners, so go fuck yourself and suck a dick.
k1k1,
now that's an interesting point of view :) . I've been using the market for 5 months now, and never went to the resolution center, hope it stays this way... Thanks man.
About PGP/GPG, i really can't understand how people can't fucking use a terminal and encrypt what's needed. Is it really that hard? :/... most of the questions that flood the forum are about this matter.
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Don't worry guys. Only old people watch CNN, and they don't do drugs. They only drink prune juice.
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I would suggest the following: two-level access. Initial access would not require a PGP key to be submitted. However in order to increase one's level of access, one should be required to submit a proper PGP key, and correctly respond to an automated challenge.
In other words, once a prospective user submits a PGP key, the system generates a randomly-generated challenge string, and encrypts it with the users' PGP public key. The user is presented with the encrypted challenge. In order for the system to raise their level of access, the user must decrypt the challenge, and submit the challenge string to the system. If the string matches, then the user has demonstrated that they have at least mastered the rudiments of PGP.
What do other people think of this idea?
I think this is an excellent suggestion and I'd definitely support it!
Of course you're preaching to the choir with me. ;)
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I would suggest the following: two-level access. Initial access would not require a PGP key to be submitted. However in order to increase one's level of access, one should be required to submit a proper PGP key, and correctly respond to an automated challenge.
In other words, once a prospective user submits a PGP key, the system generates a randomly-generated challenge string, and encrypts it with the users' PGP public key. The user is presented with the encrypted challenge. In order for the system to raise their level of access, the user must decrypt the challenge, and submit the challenge string to the system. If the string matches, then the user has demonstrated that they have at least mastered the rudiments of PGP.
What do other people think of this idea?
I kind of get what you mean but I don't understand the difference between to the 2 levels of access you are refering to. However, it does make me think that a PGP test like yours or my concepts should at the minimum, be incorporated into the Vendor upgrade process.
Thats where it matters anyways.
I mean...... can any of you think of a single TRUSTED vendor that doesn't use PGP?
I see the newb vendors all the time that try to set up shop before they even get that part figured out and it just makes me cringe. I try to take the time to message those that I see doing this and offer assistance and most of the time this is successful. but I have also come across quite a few arrogant jackasses that didn't understand it so they didn't think it was important.
I also think that it might be a good idea to make the registration require that you at least check the forums out first.
Kind of how certain registrations will require you to actually click through the instructions before you can join. Or like when you install something and you have to actually scroll all the way through the EULA before it will let you click the box saying that you agree.
Maybe it could be implemented by requiring you to register on the forums first and than you have to type in your forum name in the registration. and then it PMs you a confirmation code on the forums that you have to enter to complete registration.
AS I said before, I understand and respect DPR's decision about keeping an open door policy. and I do not think that invites will really help anything. But I think that there should at least be a roadblock or two in place that requires the wannabe future SR user too do some basic research.
An intelligent person will not let such trivial things get in their way. but it will effective shut the door on People with that all to classic "I Don't Give a FUCK" Nigger-mentality, that just wanna click a button and have drugz come in the mail.
(Notice: that wasn't a racial slur, but I use that term, sparingly, to refer to outrageously ignorant/arrogant pieces of shit......which is what that word means anyways)
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I would suggest the following: two-level access. Initial access would not require a PGP key to be submitted. However in order to increase one's level of access, one should be required to submit a proper PGP key, and correctly respond to an automated challenge.
In other words, once a prospective user submits a PGP key, the system generates a randomly-generated challenge string, and encrypts it with the users' PGP public key. The user is presented with the encrypted challenge. In order for the system to raise their level of access, the user must decrypt the challenge, and submit the challenge string to the system. If the string matches, then the user has demonstrated that they have at least mastered the rudiments of PGP.
What do other people think of this idea?
I kind of get what you mean but I don't understand the difference between to the 2 levels of access you are refering to. However, it does make me think that a PGP test like yours or my concepts should at the minimum, be incorporated into the Vendor upgrade process.
Thats where it matters anyways.
I mean...... can any of you think of a single TRUSTED vendor that doesn't use PGP?
I see the newb vendors all the time that try to set up shop before they even get that part figured out and it just makes me cringe. I try to take the time to message those that I see doing this and offer assistance and most of the time this is successful. but I have also come across quite a few arrogant jackasses that didn't understand it so they didn't think it was important.
I also think that it might be a good idea to make the registration require that you at least check the forums out first.
Kind of how certain registrations will require you to actually click through the instructions before you can join. Or like when you install something and you have to actually scroll all the way through the EULA before it will let you click the box saying that you agree.
Maybe it could be implemented by requiring you to register on the forums first and than you have to type in your forum name in the registration. and then it PMs you a confirmation code on the forums that you have to enter to complete registration.
AS I said before, I understand and respect DPR's decision about keeping an open door policy. and I do not think that invites will really help anything. But I think that there should at least be a roadblock or two in place that requires the wannabe future SR user too do some basic research.
An intelligent person will not let such trivial things get in their way. but it will effective shut the door on People with that all to classic "I Don't Give a FUCK" Nigger-mentality, that just wanna click a button and have drugz come in the mail.
(Notice: that wasn't a racial slur, but I use that term, sparingly, to refer to outrageously ignorant/arrogant pieces of shit......which is what that word means anyways)
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Sr growing is alright..
The bigger the site the more vendors/the harder it is to shut down.
But its also more reason for people to fuck with us. And gives the fucktards more ammunition for their nonsensical arguments. (I don't know how.. it just works out that *something to do with drugs* - bigger??! = bad = lets get rid of civil liberties to solve this problem)
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^^^I totally agree with you kap
But if you live in the states than I am sure you know that this process has already been set in motion with some documents that begin with the name "The Patriot Act"
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Who would have invited you Skills? That's not an insult, but an honest question. How would you have gotten an invite?
The only way I can see that you would have been able to get an invite, would be to discuss Silk Road outside of Silk Road. Doing so is of course your prerogative, but you should consider the wisdom of anyone willing to link themselves to this board, and ultimately yourself, on a non-anonymous forum.
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I have seen the whole media attention scare here before
and I have also seen quite a few debates about resticting access to the road in various ways.
I understand and respect why DPR wants this place to be an open community. and I also understand the fears of having a bunch of newbs rush on board (I can't think of a single day where I don't see at least one first time poster making a whole slew of fuck ups)
I think that a good compromise would be to put a pgp test in the account registration. where it gives you a public key and a captcha and has you type the captcha message in to a note and encrypt it for the key. Maybe put a link to a PGP tutorial for people that don't know but are willing to learn
Just that little thing would make a giant difference in the amount of flagrantly retarded users that pop up on a daily basis.
I would suggest the following: two-level access. Initial access would not require a PGP key to be submitted. However in order to increase one's level of access, one should be required to submit a proper PGP key, and correctly respond to an automated challenge.
In other words, once a prospective user submits a PGP key, the system generates a randomly-generated challenge string, and encrypts it with the users' PGP public key. The user is presented with the encrypted challenge. In order for the system to raise their level of access, the user must decrypt the challenge, and submit the challenge string to the system. If the string matches, then the user has demonstrated that they have at least mastered the rudiments of PGP.
What do other people think of this idea?
Guru
I wholeheartedly endorse Guru's prescription for membership on SR. A rudimentary working knowledge of PGP encryption ought to be a prerequisite for full membership in the SR marketplace.
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now if only we could get DPR or one of the mods/admins to come look at these ideas. and at least comment on them.
But I don't think they are likely to go browse another thread about the fear of unwanted attention from media exposure.
I am sure they have read enough of those
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Who would have invited you Skills? That's not an insult, but an honest question. How would you have gotten an invite?
The only way I can see that you would have been able to get an invite, would be to discuss Silk Road outside of Silk Road. Doing so is of course your prerogative, but you should consider the wisdom of anyone willing to link themselves to this board, and ultimately yourself, on a non-anonymous forum.
As i said, i would deliver them to all my "junkie" friends lol. But yes, you've made your point and i understand that the spreading inside the tor network would be extremely slow.
But interesting ideas were discussed in this thread afterwards, that might be good to take in consideration. I don't want to be an elitist that haves access to a drugs forum, what i don't want is to be poorly served by the sellers, if this becomes flooded with all kinds of people.
now if only we could get DPR or one of the mods/admins to come look at these ideas. and at least comment on them.
But I don't think they are likely to go browse another thread about the fear of unwanted attention from media exposure.
I am sure they have read enough of those
Why don't you invite him to read what's being discussed?
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My biggest fear about a story on a major news network like CNN is the inevitable "YOUR CHILDREN CAN BUY DRUGS ON THE INTERNET" spin they will put on it. It's not like the old people watching CNN are going to be the only ones who see the story. Once it's on national TV it's going to spread like wildfire. People love to get offended, and they will eat this story up. That's going to mean way more traffic, way more negative attention and way more of our tax dollars being wasted in the effort to land us all in prison.
That said, I love the PGP test idea. Kids are going to get on here no matter what, and so are "adults" who never quite grew up. I think this would provide a very effective filter at keeping away the idiots who would upload pictures of their purchases on facebook.
I know for an absolute fact that if the average teenager/thug moron saw
"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
sajhdjs#RUHiufndsxoJEAIiQjtnt/olmpYIAIAh9rDphz9MMHPR9Y+273yN
mRcBi5Smj4NMu6pU37jQlNZ/NEVlU41Qmmp80emGTSpVyLlljzTBg04d15NKQITw
ByidPFbh2QadskhjfkjHFKJJKSHDJSA3234298589fdHJKFJAFd821ybmxYZYnwpErx+pcsrE+0ic
j4MInxn6ASLkhjslafhjfncvmxz5743skdafhjfsdafsdanfKJSFHHJASHioweufhdsavcnoe
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on their screen, their brains would short circuit and they would give up without even attempting to figure out what it means.
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Personally I wouldn't trust _any_ super seekrit elite board of traffickers and carders. Every single one of them has been busted before. All those carding sites that require 5 vouch members and $200+ to get in are already full of informants and cops since day #1.
Same goes for any secret SR vendors forum. Sounds like it would be full of investigators since they'd definitely want access there and not to waste time here. Everybody who posts there would be a major vendor. This site was open to the public and prob full of informants since day #1 as well, better to have everything in the open and secure than hidden with security through obscurity imho.
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You're crazy if you don't think $500-2k of bitcoins won't buy you access to anywhere on the internet no matter what vouching or security nonsense they claim. Bribery has worked forever for LE and informants. I bought access to the 'hidden elite' area of a major German fraud forum years ago because some guy was retiring and had free access there through epic sales, so sold it to me for $500 to use his account. I showed up already respected, vouched and ready for business and could've been an informant. Good thing I never bought anything there except bot software to run on anonymous servers it was busted eventually anyways. The point is for some money and a simple PM on a different board, I got in. If I can cops can. Security through obscurity.
When I was on there people were loose lipped and fingered like they always are in these hidden types of boards and chatrooms. They think it's secure so they act insecure. The first post I saw was a guy offering to trade off ipads he no longer wanted because he was getting a bunch of new one's. Vendors posting their drop addresses to each other it was amazingly insecure. Fill the ipad with tracking devices and aidsware, get local cops to follow the drop pickup guy. That's how cha0 a POS skimmer vendor was busted from gifts from seemingly vouched members. Wonder how many US vendors here trade with each other, prob quite a few. "Hey I don't need this pill press anymore, who wants it free? I have new one's. Comes with complimentary GPS tracking you'll never be able to find hidden in it"
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Frankly, I think the OP takes an unnecessarily alarmist tone.
Fact is this: Silk Road is a good thing for the world. It allows a safe, open market for drugs that is secure and, most importantly, free.
To limit access, regardless of what attention we get (and everyone remembers the Gawker article), would go against the principles of Silk Road.
Will there be more buyers? Certainly. Good for them. It helps our strong community of sellers to earn more money. Besides, sellers aren't being forced to take orders from suspicious new customers.
As long as the Road lives securely, then allow it to flourish and grow. We need to worry about LE, not media.
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idk about private carding scene but from your post it seems like they're a lot less security conscious than people in the private drug scene
Somewhat better security in the drug scene. I still remember people on DSR and other hidden/invite only drug forums doing group buys of LSD from Europe and spreading it to a dozen different vendors on the site to sell locally. One guy had all their drop addresses, most didn't use PGP. A lot paid via mailed cash or western union to each other. Only 1 hidden forum did I find people who insisted on PGP or bitcoins or even Pecunix in like 10yrs of being a buyer on the online drug scene. It was run by some guy in Europe and he continually had to edit posts of addresses and other information idiots were dropping.
Imagine if the group buyer was importing trafficking amounts of LSD and was caught picking it up. The first thing he's going to say is he has the addresses of other major vendors he's distributing it to and evidence of them paying him for it. Slam dunk case. The more open a place is, the more security. People are always vigilant instead of complacent and relaxed
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idk about private carding scene but from your post it seems like they're a lot less security conscious than people in the private drug scene
Somewhat better security in the drug scene. I still remember people on DSR and other hidden/invite only drug forums doing group buys of LSD from Europe and spreading it to a dozen different vendors on the site to sell locally. One guy had all their drop addresses, most didn't use PGP. A lot paid via mailed cash or western union to each other. Only 1 hidden forum did I find people who insisted on PGP or bitcoins or even Pecunix in like 10yrs of being a buyer on the online drug scene. It was run by some guy in Europe and he continually had to edit posts of addresses and other information idiots were dropping.
Imagine if the group buyer was importing trafficking amounts of LSD and was caught picking it up. The first thing he's going to say is he has the addresses of other major vendors he's distributing it to and evidence of them paying him for it. Slam dunk case. The more open a place is, the more security. People are always vigilant instead of complacent and relaxed
1+ good post.
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Ok. So I sent DPR a PM, asking for his opinion on this conversation and this is the reply i got:
"your suggestion, while it has merit, is not congruent with our mission."
Kind of what I expected.........Oh well
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Unfortunately, I think we'll just have to wait and see what happens for now. My guess is that we'll see different offshoots of SR like the ones that may or may not exist today, with some more clandestine than others. As long as bitcoin and tor remain reasonably secure, this style of open drug market isn't going away. I just hope that 'home base' can hold out long enough for others to build similar, functional e-bazars complete with escrow. Who knows? Perhaps there are already plans underway to build several backup Silk Roads? Sigh.. I guess time will tell.
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SR has been preparing for the waves of new customers it will be receiving, like they say "any press is good press." Remember the more people using SR the harder it is to shutdown because if you read the shutdown of TFM it was I believe only six people running the site and were accepting all types of clearnet payments. Now take SR and you have hundreds of vendors from around the world using PGP, BTC, Tumblers/Mixers, etc and it's going to take LE a ton of money/manpower to even make a dent in SR and I highly doubt they'll even try because it's not really worth their time.
Was just re-reading posts and this struck me. My only reply to the last sentence of this post is Yes it really matters!! Elections can make otherwise unknown politician into the great crusader. I wouldn't say shit worded like that. You basically dare people to do what you may be lazy and un-prepared to know. LEO's take the job serious and this is prolly the best notch on the belt to have you as the one to take down SR. I never post anything taunting. People get cocky and then careless. Just take precaution and control paranoia serious.
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A few things. As always, it is much easier for a couple of simple minded pigs in a jeep to stumble across 100 pounds of weed in bales along the southern US border than it is for the feds to take a bunch of hackers off their full time job of terrorizing Iranians in an effort to try and make a dent in what goes on here on SR.
Next, the idea of invites would be the creation of the Silk Road bourgeoisie. Think what one of your 10 invites can get you on the open market. And believe, me, you did jack shit to get those invites. Because you heard about silk road first does not mean you pulled of some great fucking accomplishment. With the implementation of invites you have re-birthed yourself as a rich person. If such a thing were to happen, and people were kept from such an open and pure experiment such as SR, then SR will become no different than the fucked up death match the bourgeois pigs have us all living in when we log off SR.
To recap, if such a class system were created, I would join the toiling masses of those blocked from the paradise that is silk road in revolutionary struggle for equality. Silk Road for all! Or Silk Road for no one!
;D
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Ok. So I sent DPR a PM, asking for his opinion on this conversation and this is the reply i got:
"your suggestion, while it has merit, is not congruent with our mission."
Kind of what I expected.........Oh well
I too agree that your suggestion has some merit in that it would filter out the very unintelligent, and educate the moderately intelligent. This sounds like a good and noble thing, and it probably is.
However, whenever you start "helping people" in this way, it inevitably comes down to a core argument of people who think they are more intelligent devising solutions to help those less intelligent. In reality, every person should have the freedom to make their own choices. We really have no way of knowing who is more intelligent and who is less, thus it would be extremely arrogant to start imposing rules and regulations that we think are good, just, and noble, when we actually have no real way to back up those claims.
I say everyone should be free to make their own mistakes. If people don't use encryption, then they are free to make that mistake. They'll probably end up paying a price for that mistake too.
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^^good point.^^
Thanks for bringing me down from that quixotic cloud that I spend most of my time in.
for some reason I never did quite get rid of that sense of justice and nobility that most of have as a child but later lose when we become informed about how the world really works.
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^^good point.^^
Thanks for bringing me down from that quixotic cloud that I spend most of my time in.
for some reason I never did quite get rid of that sense of justice and nobility that most of have as a child but later lose when we become informed about how the world really works.
You are the bomb.com!!! <3
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A few things. As always, it is much easier for a couple of simple minded pigs in a jeep to stumble across 100 pounds of weed in bales along the southern US border than it is for the feds to take a bunch of hackers off their full time job of terrorizing Iranians in an effort to try and make a dent in what goes on here on SR.
Next, the idea of invites would be the creation of the Silk Road bourgeoisie. Think what one of your 10 invites can get you on the open market. And believe, me, you did jack shit to get those invites. Because you heard about silk road first does not mean you pulled of some great fucking accomplishment. With the implementation of invites you have re-birthed yourself as a rich person. If such a thing were to happen, and people were kept from such an open and pure experiment such as SR, then SR will become no different than the fucked up death match the bourgeois pigs have us all living in when we log off SR.
To recap, if such a class system were created, I would join the toiling masses of those blocked from the paradise that is silk road in revolutionary struggle for equality. Silk Road for all! Or Silk Road for no one!
;D
Cue the Monty Python "Constitutional Peasant" skit....
Oh, there you go bringing class into it again....
We're living in a dictatorship! If only people would listen!
Guru
I am ashamed to say I have never seen that skit....but yeah, that is exactly what I was getting at and exactly how the world really is! Haha, thanks for that gem Guru!
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I'm going to join the people asking for invite-only status, Just because you're not supposed to talk about Fight Club doesn't mean people won't find us, but it would significantly stem the flood that will surely come from this. There can be no doubt, CNN targets the lowest denominator of the general public. They will bring a bad tide to this place. This can be guaranteed.
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I'll add my voice to the side against invite-only system. Think of all the people out there who are loners who would never know how to find somebody to give them an invite. You would have people pleading for them on clearnet sites where they would be putting themselves at major risk (counter-intel calls this "pre-operational surveillance" when it's performed by terrorists, and they are good at detecting it). That feels like it would be against the goals SR was built upon.
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Oh and forgot to add... I think you're over-estimating the technical acuity of the typical CNN viewer, no? Technology-savvy users who are looking for drugs have already found SR.
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Oh and forgot to add... I think you're over-estimating the technical acuity of the typical CNN viewer, no? Technology-savvy users who are looking for drugs have already found SR.
Technical acuity? Are you insinuating it takes any more than a 6th grade education level to access the market or the forum? Security is paramount to convenience in my opinion. Yes, it's not a popular opinion, but often times the correct opinion never is.
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Get dem drugs boi.
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I think this would provide a very effective filter at keeping away the idiots who would upload pictures of their purchases on facebook.
***CLEARNET WARNING***
"This is how DMT comes by mail from The Silk Road"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d63er9oUk8&feature=plcp
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so long as we are all cautious, sellers check new buyers stats etc and nobody gives out their personal info, there should be little to worry about i would think. we do need to figure something out, but i'll leave that to DPR and his crew. btw, is there a fund/wallet to donate to the SR crew?
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I for one am glad this place isn't invite only and that it gets media attention. I mean, if I hadn't seen something about this place on...hmmm...Reddit I think linking to a news article about this site I'd never found it.
Now I'm excited to try and get some goodies (just placed first order so we'll see!).
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btw, is there a fund/wallet to donate to the SR crew?
IDk about the rest of the "crew" but I'm a volunteer and can use every donation any kind soul feels I've earned.
My signature has my personal donation address.
:)
nomad