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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: redalloverthelandguyhere on July 20, 2012, 01:18 am

Title: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on July 20, 2012, 01:18 am
Just wondering, if bitcoins could be counterfeited. I know the math says no but like anything its possible new technology might be able to somehow make a replicated coin and that would crash the market until the issue was sorted.

Any tech heads here who can say this is 100% safe?

Just a thought.

I have no skills but if I did, would I 'forge' bitcoins?

Kilos of coke for free?

I guess I admit I would if I could. If the coins were undetected and I made a million the BTC market would see a change.

The honest side of me says counterfeiting bitcoins would be wrong.

But what would you do IF you somehow forged a million BTC.

Good weekend that would be.
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: mybodymychoice on July 20, 2012, 02:14 am
nope. not possible. its all based on cryptography and mathematical calculations so not possible to forge.
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: ilovelsd69 on July 20, 2012, 02:16 am
But is it possible to mine BTC  ;D
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Chinewhite2Dome on July 20, 2012, 02:19 am
Just wondering, if bitcoins could be counterfeited. I know the math says no but like anything its possible new technology might be able to somehow make a replicated coin and that would crash the market until the issue was sorted.

Any tech heads here who can say this is 100% safe?

Just a thought.

I have no skills but if I did, would I 'forge' bitcoins?

Kilos of coke for free?

I guess I admit I would if I could. If the coins were undetected and I made a million the BTC market would see a change.

The honest side of me says counterfeiting bitcoins would be wrong.

But what would you do IF you somehow forged a million BTC.

Good weekend that would be.

Fuck..you are so stupid.
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: ilovelsd69 on July 20, 2012, 02:26 am
of course it's possible, you do need to have more computing power than the rest of the network though

Ohhh, i smell botnet mining here  ;)
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Imaginarytailus13 on July 20, 2012, 02:46 am
I mean btc mining with racks of cards will go through hashes fast. It`ll take a while to recover the initial costs though, I`ve heard many who`ve said its worth it.
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: kryptoz on July 20, 2012, 03:09 am
No bitcoins cannot be counterfeit, however stealing them from another s wallet is pretty easy...hence why I never use wallet programs, instawallet ftw ^-^
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Imaginarytailus13 on July 20, 2012, 03:17 am
meh cards are so 2011 :P fpga/asic is the future https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49180

What? Never heard of them till now, could you explain them in detail?
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Imaginarytailus13 on July 20, 2012, 03:47 am
Yeah I got that, but how good is it in terms of cost-performance? Like when I build a rig, which one will pay itself off faster? Also how would I go about building a rig with those?
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Vinnyg007 on July 20, 2012, 04:07 am
God damn everything Shannon posts is somewhat brilliant. +1 for making my head hurt constantly and inspiring me to learn new things.
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Imaginarytailus13 on July 20, 2012, 04:22 am
time for some back of the napkin calculations, first, let's assume your power costs 12 cents/KWh

6850 costs around $135, plus $200 for the computer that surrounds it, plus it'll cost you 16MJ of energy per day or 53 cents. it would give you 0.12 btc, at $8/btc, you'd make 43 cents per day. even after 1000 days of mining, you wouldn't profit -- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-335%2B.043x+from+0+to+1000

x6500r3 costs $560 plus it'll cost you 1.5MJ of energy per day or 5 cents. it would give you 0.22 btc per day, at $8/btc, you'd make $1.71/day. you'd start profiting after 11 months and be up $1,150 after 1000 days -- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-560%2B1.71x+from+0+to+1000

+1

Sounds good to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: LouisCyphre on July 21, 2012, 06:23 pm
time for some back of the napkin calculations, first, let's assume your power costs 12 cents/KWh

6850 costs around $135, plus $200 for the computer that surrounds it, plus it'll cost you 16MJ of energy per day or 53 cents. it would give you 0.12 btc, at $8/btc, you'd make 43 cents per day. even after 1000 days of mining, you wouldn't profit -- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-335%2B.043x+from+0+to+1000

x6500r3 costs $560 plus it'll cost you 1.5MJ of energy per day or 5 cents. it would give you 0.22 btc per day, at $8/btc, you'd make $1.71/day. you'd start profiting after 11 months and be up $1,150 after 1000 days -- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-560%2B1.71x+from+0+to+1000

Cool, except that in 1,000 days the rate at which BTC are mined will drop by half.  So current calculations would have to be adjusted to factor that in.
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Imaginarytailus13 on July 21, 2012, 06:47 pm
You tech savy people.  ;D With the unpredictable exchange rates I`m sure even 3 years later it could be well worth it.
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: kmfkewm on July 21, 2012, 11:16 pm
It is possible to counterfeit bitcoins if you have over 50% of the CPU power of the total network
Title: Re: Is it possible bitcoins could be counterfeit?
Post by: Imaginarytailus13 on July 21, 2012, 11:22 pm
It is possible to counterfeit bitcoins if you have over 50% of the CPU power of the total network

Yeah sure.  ::) Would a NEC 9 do?