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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Triforce777 on July 19, 2012, 08:42 am
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I am new here and am enticed at opportunity available, but I just want to make sure I am doing this as safe as possible. I read the guide, have liberte on a usb, created pgp keys and understand how to use it just fine, am generally ok.....but I have one question. I first accessed SR through Tor on my computer, not through liberte on my usb drive. Am I at any risk by having first browsed SR on my computer and not through liberte? All I did was create a username and browse. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Tor on your pc is just as safe as it is on Liberte when using the browser bundle. nothing to worry.
Also accessing the site is not illegal.
I guess you have already made a new SR account (even though that wasnt necessary) out of paranoia, so really, theres nothing to worry if you dont even buy something with the old account.
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there is adanvtages to using liberte, obvious reasons. but tor has been safe since day one :)
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Tor on your pc is just as safe as it is on Liberte when using the browser bundle. nothing to worry.
Also accessing the site is not illegal.
I guess you have already made a new SR account (even though that wasnt necessary) out of paranoia, so really, theres nothing to worry if you dont even buy something with the old account.
Accessing this site (the Forum) may not be illegal, but bet your last dollar that accessing the actual Silk Road is illegal.
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Tor on your pc is just as safe as it is on Liberte when using the browser bundle. nothing to worry.
Also accessing the site is not illegal.
I guess you have already made a new SR account (even though that wasnt necessary) out of paranoia, so really, theres nothing to worry if you dont even buy something with the old account.
Accessing this site (the Forum) may not be illegal, but bet your last dollar that accessing the actual Silk Road is illegal.
I think that would depend on the jurisdiction you're in. In some places simply logging into SR or TA would be illegal, but in many it would not be unless you wre involved in a transaction. It probably would be viewed with suspicion unless you had a really good explanation and even then it would still be viewed with suspicion. Still, you can't be charged in most places (i.e. western liberal democracies) with being someone the police don't like.
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Tor on your pc is just as safe as it is on Liberte when using the browser bundle. nothing to worry.
Also accessing the site is not illegal.
I guess you have already made a new SR account (even though that wasnt necessary) out of paranoia, so really, theres nothing to worry if you dont even buy something with the old account.
Accessing this site (the Forum) may not be illegal, but bet your last dollar that accessing the actual Silk Road is illegal.
I think that would depend on the jurisdiction you're in. In some places simply logging into SR or TA would be illegal, but in many it would not be unless you wre involved in a transaction. It probably would be viewed with suspicion unless you had a really good explanation and even then it would still be viewed with suspicion. Still, you can't be charged in most places (i.e. western liberal democracies) with being someone the police don't like.
You can be charged in US because once you open a buyer/vendor account, technically you are a member of a continuing criminal enterprise.
Also, conspiracy charges could stick once you and vendor begin to negotiate terms of a sale, agree on those terms, and then transfer bitcoins to your account. At that point you have already committed conspiracy to commit Wire Fraud, Mail Fraud, drug trafficking.
A jury may desire more evidence from the prosecutors to convict, but those Feds could charge one with those facts alone.
Obtaining those facts, however, is very difficult due to the right security precautions.
With that being said, simply browsing the Road menu will not get you charged with any crime but technically speaking, it can because you have to become a member.
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I think that would depend on the jurisdiction you're in. In some places simply logging into SR or TA would be illegal, but in many it would not be unless you wre involved in a transaction. It probably would be viewed with suspicion unless you had a really good explanation and even then it would still be viewed with suspicion. Still, you can't be charged in most places (i.e. western liberal democracies) with being someone the police don't like.
You can be charged in US because once you open a buyer/vendor account, technically you are a member of a continuing criminal enterprise.
Ah, that's interesting. I'm more familiar with the laws in my own jurisdiction which clearly isn't the United States (my spelling of certain things should've already been a dead giveaway on that count).
Also, conspiracy charges could stick once you and vendor begin to negotiate terms of a sale, agree on those terms, and then transfer bitcoins to your account. At that point you have already committed conspiracy to commit Wire Fraud, Mail Fraud, drug trafficking.
What would US law say regarding an individual who wasn't involved in any transactions, but was providing advice on a particular topic to both buyers and vendors? A topic which, in and of itself is not illegal to instruct people in, but which could be inferred to be directly used to facilitate a crime (i.e. how to use GPG properly).
A jury may desire more evidence from the prosecutors to convict, but those Feds could charge one with those facts alone.
Obtaining those facts, however, is very difficult due to the right security precautions.
Which is one reason why we're all trying to be fairly careful.
With that being said, simply browsing the Road menu will not get you charged with any crime but technically speaking, it can because you have to become a member.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
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What would US law say regarding an individual who wasn't involved in any transactions, but was providing advice on a particular topic to both buyers and vendors? A topic which, in and of itself is not illegal to instruct people in, but which could be inferred to be directly used to facilitate a crime (i.e. how to use GPG properly).
One would be guilty as an accessory for aiding and abetting if one provided information on how to obtain illegal drugs anonymously.
Assuming the Feds can prove you provided that information with the knowledge it would be used to purchase illegal drugs.
Highly unlikely but still possible legally speaking.
The other great thing about the U.S. is their extraterritorial jurisdiction statutes which allows them to prosecute foreigners under circumstances. This being one of them.
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What would US law say regarding an individual who wasn't involved in any transactions, but was providing advice on a particular topic to both buyers and vendors? A topic which, in and of itself is not illegal to instruct people in, but which could be inferred to be directly used to facilitate a crime (i.e. how to use GPG properly).
One would be guilty as an accessory for aiding and abetting if one provided information on how to obtain illegal drugs anonymously.
Assuming the Feds can prove you provided that information with the knowledge it would be used to purchase illegal drugs.
Highly unlikely but still possible legally speaking.
The other great thing about the U.S. is their extraterritorial jurisdiction statutes which allows them to prosecute foreigners under circumstances. This being one of them.
Oh. Fuck.
Oh well, thanks.
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Hey everyone i got a question ive made two orders havent got refunded cause i am a new buyer did not wanna look like a scammer. Any how neither order came, i put my address in the box as if written on a letter and then submitted. I was wondering if there could be anything im doimg wrong that two orders would not make it to me. Any advice or a list of things new buyers may be doing wrong.
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Hey everyone i got a question ive made two orders havent got refunded cause i am a new buyer did not wanna look like a scammer. Any how neither order came, i put my address in the box as if written on a letter and then submitted. I was wondering if there could be anything im doimg wrong that two orders would not make it to me. Any advice or a list of things new buyers may be doing wrong.
Have you tried contacting the vendors and asking what happened with the orders?
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Hey everyone i got a question ive made two orders havent got refunded cause i am a new buyer did not wanna look like a scammer. Any how neither order came, i put my address in the box as if written on a letter and then submitted. I was wondering if there could be anything im doimg wrong that two orders would not make it to me. Any advice or a list of things new buyers may be doing wrong.
That's risky. If I were you, I would never pass up the use of PGP with sensitive information. Look at it like your lifeline. SR gets compromised, what's stopping them from finding out who you are? What information you give up unencrypted, is almost willingly handed to authorities. Expect them here, everywhere.
Were your orders domestic or local? Did they have good rep?
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Hey everyone i got a question ive made two orders havent got refunded cause i am a new buyer did not wanna look like a scammer. Any how neither order came, i put my address in the box as if written on a letter and then submitted. I was wondering if there could be anything im doimg wrong that two orders would not make it to me. Any advice or a list of things new buyers may be doing wrong.
That's risky. If I were you, I would never pass up the use of PGP with sensitive information. Look at it like your lifeline. SR gets compromised, what's stopping them from finding out who you are? What information you give up unencrypted, is almost willingly handed to authorities. Expect them here, everywhere.
Were your orders domestic or local? Did they have good rep?
Im def going to start using PGP how do i use it though, or where could i find instructions on using it. They were all non local from out of the country. DQB rep was going up and he was doing good but now it is shit. And chemical Brothers have a pretty good rep in three top 3% of sellers. I am discussing the order with him now though. Before i commit to buying large on the web site i have to have a successful order for confidence you know.
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There are instructions about using GPG everywhere.
Look at the top thread in the security section (the one were in before you clicked on your thread ;) ) or google it.
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Louis, does any of this really come as a surprise?
Not really. Sometimes I just forget.
The Americans have a saying to the effect that a Grand Jury prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich., if he/she chose to do so. Unfortunately, there is more than a little truth in that saying. The Grand Jury has long been abolished in Britain, and all of the Commonwealth, if I am not mistaken. Only the United States continues to use such a prosecutor-driven kangaroo court.
This is the bit I keep forgetting: how backwards and uncivilised America can be at times.
Just look at the case of Richard O'Dwyer, operator of TVShack. He was informed by his British solicitors that his activities were breaking no UK laws. Yet, despite that, some microcephalic cretin of a British judge has seen fit to allow Mr. O'Dwyer to be extradited to the U.S. on some very dubious allegations, brought forth by a Grand Jury at the behest of the American content cartels.
This type of case exactly why so many people outside of the United States views the USA with so much suspicion.
I suspect that Mr. O'Dwyer probably took few steps to protect himself, believing that he was acting in accordance with UK law, and therefore was on safe grounds. Obviously, he didn't count on the craven nature of the American content cartels, and the incredibly supine U.S. Justice Department, which does the cartels' bidding.
Very probably.
The difference between O'Dwyer and you and I is that we are both hard targets -- it would take a major undertaking to be able to locate and identify us. As long as we are anonymous/pseudonymous, we have little to fear.
There is that. Plus when they do really turn their attention to SR there are much bigger targets than you or I. DPR being the obvious example.