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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Just1nce on June 27, 2012, 10:01 am
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Hi there :)
First of all, let me just express my appreciation of the Silk Road. The concept and the application is frankly amazing and the community I see on here is strong and pretty damn united.
I've been a lurker and buyer for a few months. I've had successful buys from three Aus vendors and two international vendors. This isn't the account I usually post on because I don't want to get blacklisted. I'm not sure how y'all will take this and, in the tradition of Tor, I want to remain anonymous.
Anyway, to cut a long story short: why is it that I can buy MDMA (and some other drugs) so much cheaper internationally than from Aussie vendors?
I know MDMA isn't produced much in Aus. All right, that means its always going to cost more. But I'm going to assume that most of the small time Aussie vendors simply buy the product they resell from reputable international vendors (your Ivorys, SKYYs, DrNyxs) then sell it domestically. It's a good business model. The vendor takes the risk of importing then marks it up and sells it on. But-why do they mark it up so much? From around $60 for a gram of Ivory's finest to $200-300 for Australian customers?
I know it's a risky business importing the stuff.. But if I can anonymously and safely import it, with about 95% confidence I won't get caught and that the worst that will happen is a missing package..... And that just using the advice and common sense that I learned from reading these forums.
I know the street pricing is the same or probably way above what Aussie vendors sell on here, with less purity. But when international vendors (say from the US) import it from the Netherlands or the UK and sell it on, they don't mark it up so much.
I know Australian border protection is looked on as pretty damn tough. However, from what I've read on these forums, they match what you'd find in any Western country. The image and reputation doesn't match the fact that the international vendors who sell to Aus are mostly successful.
I know that vendors are doing us a service and they can set any damn price they want. I realise that. So if nothing changes from this thread, I'm not going to harp on about it. I know that vendors need to mark up their prices for the risk they take and the effort they go to. But to mark it up from around $60 to $2/300?
I also know the prices are slowly coming down, in stops and starts. That's good.
My challenge to everyone is: make this fairer. Make MDMA cost a fair bit but don't make it cost an arm and a leg. On the streets, there's people buying shit cut with God knows what for $20. Silk Road is acting to minimise the harm caused by that.... but how can it when the pure stuff costs more than the average Joe can easily afford? Sure they could buy internationally, and they will, but I for one would like to keep my buck here at home. Even the money from the black market winds up as money spent in the 'clean' economy.
Or is Silk Road only for the elite and wealthy?
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I am not from Australia, but loads of my friends have emigrated to Australia in recent years due to the state of our own economy. Many of my friends were regular enough drug users before they went to OZ; they have pretty much stopped now on account of the prices that dealers charge down there.
I guess it all boils down to supply and demand. If the supply is limited, with huge demand, dealers can charge what they want for it. There is always someone willing to pay. I guess it is partly to do with the high risk of importing drugs into Oz, because your customs are pretty tough cookies and in that situation, premium prices are charged to cover the risks being taken.
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I am not from Australia, but loads of my friends have emigrated to Australia in recent years due to the state of our own economy. Many of my friends were regular enough drug users before they went to OZ; they have pretty much stopped now on account of the prices that dealers charge down there.
I guess it all boils down to supply and demand. If the supply is limited, with huge demand, dealers can charge what they want for it. There is always someone willing to pay. I guess it is partly to do with the high risk of importing drugs into Oz, because your customs are pretty tough cookies and in that situation, premium prices are charged to cover the risks being taken.
I agree with supply and demand... but are Aussie customs really all that good? The vendors who import do so quite well, and the international vendors who ship to Aus have a high success rate.
The facts don't match the reputation.
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I don't get it either. I was driven to SR because the prices I can get IRL are basically, unaffordable (just like everything else in this country really)...
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Anyway, to cut a long story short: why is it that I can buy MDMA (and some other drugs) so much cheaper internationally than from Aussie vendors?
The majority (if not quite all) of Australian MDMA is controlled, either by import or local manufacture, by the major crime syndicates in the country. They set a price point that enables them to live the lifestyles to which they've become accustomed.
There was a significant drop in prices in the late 1990s to early 2000s. The result was a fucking bloodbath in Victoria. Do I really need to remind you about Carl Williams, the Carlton Crew and the Moran family?
Now they're gone and the power vacuum is being filled by the likes of the Bandidos, the Finks, the Gypsy Jokers, the Comancheros and, of course, the Hells Angels. Although most of the shooting seems to be in Sydney instead of Melbourne at the moment.
Any Australian sourcing cheaper MDMA from international sources would be well advised to weigh the savings to their customers against the possibility of attracting the attention of any of the above groups. The police may lock them up, but the bikers will leave them at the bottom of a mine shaft.
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^Well thought out analysis here. But here's to hoping SR in at least a small way can reduce the amount of filth shooting each other up on Sydney streets.
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^Well thought out analysis here. But here's to hoping SR in at least a small way can reduce the amount of filth shooting each other up on Sydney streets.
Not just Sydney. The rest of the world could do with some peace too. ;)
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Anyway, to cut a long story short: why is it that I can buy MDMA (and some other drugs) so much cheaper internationally than from Aussie vendors?
The majority (if not quite all) of Australian MDMA is controlled, either by import or local manufacture, by the major crime syndicates in the country. They set a price point that enables them to live the lifestyles to which they've become accustomed.
There was a significant drop in prices in the late 1990s to early 2000s. The result was a fucking bloodbath in Victoria. Do I really need to remind you about Carl Williams, the Carlton Crew and the Moran family?
Now they're gone and the power vacuum is being filled by the likes of the Bandidos, the Finks, the Gypsy Jokers, the Comancheros and, of course, the Hells Angels. Although most of the shooting seems to be in Sydney instead of Melbourne at the moment.
Any Australian sourcing cheaper MDMA from international sources would be well advised to weigh the savings to their customers against the possibility of attracting the attention of any of the above groups. The police may lock them up, but the bikers will leave them at the bottom of a mine shaft.
This is a very good point, Actualy I have been selling a little meth and mdma in my area with a mate and He has explained this exact same thing to a tee, he has some links to bikies and is a little worried that if they catch on to us selling stuff for cheaper and a shitload better than they sell our houses will get ran through.
I see me and my mate selling stuff as a little bit of a risk but it's not like we have ounce of meth and mdma on hand, it's kinda few and far between just so we can continue to stock up for our own personal use.
One night when we were smoking meth and brainstorming what could be said if anyone asked where we are getting the killa meth and mdma(Molly) which has never been seen in my area before.
He said, yea I was just going to Say some kid I know got it from the Internet, I laughed and said Na fuck that as it wouldn't take long before ppl googled drugs on the net and found tor and sr.
On the other I laughed hard for about an hour, imagine all the meth heads if they heard that?
Tweaking off there heads, DRUGS FROM THE INTERNET??? They would picking there brain.
I eventually came up with a plausible idea, we have a mate who is a interstate truckie who is bringing stuff back from qld and Syd.
Sorry to get off topic but just had too
The price of mdma reflects the street price, Infact it is a little better than street price because I have never seen quality Molly before, only pills which are getting worse and worse quality by the year.
Iv been making 80mg caps that kick arse over the local pills that go around my area.
So if u really think about it, even if the vendors are asking 2-300 per gram that's still much better than buying 10 pills from the street that contains little if any mdma.
Ask yourself this, if U went through all the effort to get bitcoins/import drugs would u sell for cheaper than its worth? I sure as hell wouldn't, well maybe a little but not by much.
There's also the risk of being caught or missing packages or losing yr pickup box ect.
The prices may improve if there were more competition.
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If you like drugs and have no money, dont come to australia... If you like drugs and have money, dont come to australia.
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This is a very good point, Actualy I have been selling a little meth and mdma in my area with a mate and He has explained this exact same thing to a tee, he has some links to bikies and is a little worried that if they catch on to us selling stuff for cheaper and a shitload better than they sell our houses will get ran through.
I see me and my mate selling stuff as a little bit of a risk but it's not like we have ounce of meth and mdma on hand, it's kinda few and far between just so we can continue to stock up for our own personal use.
It's really hard to know what they'd see as a threat to their business, but keeping as low a profile as possible would be wise. Obviously it would be easier to get away with this in one of the major cities because there are more potential sources.
One night when we were smoking meth and brainstorming what could be said if anyone asked where we are getting the killa meth and mdma(Molly) which has never been seen in my area before.
He said, yea I was just going to Say some kid I know got it from the Internet, I laughed and said Na fuck that as it wouldn't take long before ppl googled drugs on the net and found tor and sr.
Even if they do a bit of searching and learn about the existence of Tor and SR, it doesn't mean they'll be able to work out how to do things properly.
On the other I laughed hard for about an hour, imagine all the meth heads if they heard that?
Tweaking off there heads, DRUGS FROM THE INTERNET??? They would picking there brain.
It reminds me of the scene in Zoolander when Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson are told the files are in the computer.
I eventually came up with a plausible idea, we have a mate who is a interstate truckie who is bringing stuff back from qld and Syd.
Sorry to get off topic but just had too
Not bad. The only problem I see there is that bikers might not stop to ask questions, they might just want to shut down any competition.
The price of mdma reflects the street price, Infact it is a little better than street price because I have never seen quality Molly before, only pills which are getting worse and worse quality by the year.
I have, but not for a long time.
Iv been making 80mg caps that kick arse over the local pills that go around my area.
So if u really think about it, even if the vendors are asking 2-300 per gram that's still much better than buying 10 pills from the street that contains little if any mdma.
True.
Ask yourself this, if U went through all the effort to get bitcoins/import drugs would u sell for cheaper than its worth? I sure as hell wouldn't, well maybe a little but not by much.
There's also the risk of being caught or missing packages or losing yr pickup box ect.
No arguments there.
The prices may improve if there were more competition.
As with any economy, it's the competition that drives prices down and/or fuels conflict. Fortunately with SR it is more likely to be the former than the latter. We leave that shit to bikers, gangsters and thugs.
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Ha. I threw away my password thinking I wouldn't post here again. So... yes.
@ghostcat: Exactly!
@LouisCyphre: Agree on the pricing being set by organised crime.
I'm not entirely sure about the connection you made with the Victorian gangland war and the drop in MDMA pricing. As far as I know, there were many factors that led to that, chiefly the dispute between the Morans and Williams.
Agree with the power vacuum thing.
I disagree with you on the consequences of selling MDMA on the cheap. First, we're pretty anonymous here. If sellers are using Tor right and have good security processes, there's an excellent chance of them avoiding the gangs. Never 100%, of course.
Second, Silk Road at the moment is strictly small fish. We're nothing compared to the street dealing.
Third, ideally speaking we shouldn't be giving in to the gangs.
@PaulMuadDib: Exactly. This is why we need cheaper pricing on SR.
@Aussie reviewer account: Damn, you should be avoiding street and local dealing. None of this is a game, but THAT is definitely not a game.
A lot of what you said is the same as what I said... If I were a seller I would sell it for more than its worth and less than the street price. How about... $80-100 for 1 gram MDMA? I would do this in an attempt to get other vendors' price lowered.
The risk of getting caught is always present, for buyers and sellers, with serious consequences.
@LouisCyphre again: Even if there was more competition on SR, I have my doubts whether pricing will go down. It'd be nice though.
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Sorry for the double post.
I was just thinking it's a bit sad to see that none of the major Aussie vendors really commented on this, even negatively... or better yet, rose up to the challenge!
However, also wanted to apologize--I assumed when I first posted there would be epic flaming, but everyone's been very cool. Responses have been considered and well-put. Thanks :)
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I think the prices for MDMA are fair based on what they risk etc , however vendors needs to realise that we lose between 10-20% in getting BTC. I would gladly pay 200-250 for the quality MDMA that we have here but on the streets but once you add the extra 10-20% to get BTC it adds up fast.
Having said that I will pay what ever vendors are asking, albeit just not as frequently as I would like and I also ration myself more when its an expensive drug (naturally)
Drugs will never be cheap though.
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totally agree kingpin, i'd be happy to pay $200/g more often than paying $250+, but as you said when you look at the actual cost of the BTC, the prices on offer are between $250-$300, when you take into account BTC fees, when i first came on SR you could get domestic MDMA for between $180-200 (total cost incl. BTC fees).
Maybe the problem now is that there is no competition, a while back you had a different high rated aussie sellers, maybe that kept the prices down.
I for one would definitely be getting more if it were cheaper, but id rather just go without than pay grossly inflated prices.
:)
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Thank you for starting a discussion thread on this instead of complaining on shipping threads about pricing.
The fact is that while it may be easy for you to import molly for yourself and circle of friends, any vendor that is even thinking of starting up isn't going to be looking at slowly bleeding out a few dollars over months and months. Especially when you have to put huge amounts of time and effort into getting established as well as accepting an even bigger risk of getting caught. If you want to make money you're not looking at occasionally importing a gram or two, you're looking at going bulk. Which ups the risk even more, and in turn ups the final price we pay.
It's an interesting point. I suppose there's two types of vendors we're talking about then; the part-time ones and the full-time ones. The part time ones will be looking to use selling as a way to (probably) add some extra income on the side. The full-time ones will be using selling as their main income, and seeing it as a profitable income.
When you consider that without considering risk, you'd assume that the part-time ones would price their stuff higher and the full-time ones will price lower.
Factoring in for risk, you get the opposite.
Then again, you'd expect the full-time vendors to have better security and well-defined, lower risk supply (meaning with more access to boxes and so on). If a full-time vendor is ordering in bulk to his own address... that's a scary thought.
I don't know if there's a solution in all of this. Maybe MDMA is always going to be a drug for the wealthy, in Aus?
You're right that more competition is probably the only thing that will drive prices down, short of the dalai lama coming back to Australia with keys of MDMA up his ass to spread the love.
All I can say is that it's nice to suggest it, but don't hold your breathe that the local vendors will go out of their way, and out of their pocket to massively discount their stock.
Oh I know that. It's a nice dream.
If you want to send a message then stop buying from the vendors you feel price their stock too high. Regardless, I don't think the prices are that inflated anyway. Sure compare them to uncut crystals a few steps away from a chemist in NL and it looks bad, tough titties. You try to buy anything remotely close to the quality you find on SR on the street in Australia and you'd be looking at $600-$1000+ per gram, easily.
Oh, it's not so much a question of sending a message as being unable to spend that much money in the first place! So while I want to keep my Bitcoins in Australia, I will have to look overseas just to get something affordable. Not so much NL prices as UK/Germany prices.
You're right about street prices but, as I said before, that's the sort of comparison I'd like to see changing. People will always use that to justify huge markups to buyers who are content with the status quo.
And maybe that's ok? I don't know. I'd just like to see it marked up, but decently so. MDMA for the common man and all that.
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Agree, it's a little higher than it should be. $250AUD for a g works out to about $25 per dose, which is *ok* considering you'll pay $25-$30 in a club for an lesser quality pill version.
But considering we ourselves are willing to buy in bulk - notably above the "personal" amount defined by law (0.75g) we too are taking a comparable legal risk to the dealer. And basic economics dictates that buying in bulk should be cheaper.
In regards to the suggestions that bikies and organised crime are keeping the price high - FUCK THEM. I know they are here reading this, but seriously F.U.C.K T.H.E.M. The nerds have found a better distribution model and one that doesn't involve you fat, violent, outmoded, meathead pricks. This is the ultimate revenge of the nerds. So, eat shit jocks.
If you are an Aus vendor, put your SR MDMA prices down to spite them. We are anonymous here. We don't need old time gangsta bullshit dictating what we can buy and for how much, even less so than we do from the LE. The markets rule here, not guns or bike fags. Whoever eeks the prices down - gets my business and the business of others, and sales volume outweighs petty price gouging here at SR. It's a marketplace - not a ghetto territory.
That's my two 0.02 BTC.
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ok get a book called pihkal and get a chain saw go down to the park there are 1000s of camphorlural trees
its pretty easy safrole/to mdp2p mdma start a small plastics company for the chems and your away you can get a press for 3000 in china just get them to send it to you in part shipments we used to have the hive ( fellow bees would know this ) shame with sr and all this no one has picked up the torch the hive was a great site you should google it there are some old posts recipes etc
peace team terumo
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I HATE BIKIES if they ever started to pick on us nerds at sr im sure we could just dip down to the lab and culture up some hardcore virus go down and give em a slab of beer next thing it would be like that scene salud out of backing bad but much worse they would die a painful death from a super flesh eating virus
peace Team terumo
Never Ending Reserch and Development
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In regards to the suggestions that bikies and organised crime are keeping the price high - FUCK THEM. I know they are here reading this, but seriously F.U.C.K T.H.E.M. The nerds have found a better distribution model and one that doesn't involve you fat, violent, outmoded, meathead pricks. This is the ultimate revenge of the nerds. So, eat shit jocks.
If you are an Aus vendor, put your SR MDMA prices down to spite them. We are anonymous here. We don't need old time gangsta bullshit dictating what we can buy and for how much, even less so than we do from the LE. The markets rule here, not guns or bike fags. Whoever eeks the prices down - gets my business and the business of others, and sales volume outweighs petty price gouging here at SR. It's a marketplace - not a ghetto territory.
That's my two 0.02 BTC.
I think that's really more 0.20 BTC!
I like your style. I don't think many people here have much love for the bikies. If they didn't cause so much harm and destruction, they'd be a fucking laughing stock.
I HATE BIKIES if they ever started to pick on us nerds at sr im sure we could just dip down to the lab and culture up some hardcore virus go down and give em a slab of beer next thing it would be like that scene salud out of backing bad but much worse they would die a painful death from a super flesh eating virus
peace Team terumo
Never Ending Reserch and Development
Haha let's not get carried away. Leave that to the Pentagon. We'll just consume top-grade shit easily, anonymously and safely. We'll watch them shoot the shit out of each other and die in the fucking gutter while we sit at our computers, rolling our faces off and laughing.
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@LouisCyphre: Agree on the pricing being set by organised crime.
I'm not entirely sure about the connection you made with the Victorian gangland war and the drop in MDMA pricing. As far as I know, there were many factors that led to that, chiefly the dispute between the Morans and Williams.
The MDMA pricing was one of the key points of contention between Carl Williams and the Moran brothers. Williams was deliberately undercutting the Morans, the attempt to compete with the new price drove it down further, but only after a whole lot of shooting didn't settle the issue.
Agree with the power vacuum thing.
That part is easy to predict. Organised crime is fairly predictable in some ways.
I disagree with you on the consequences of selling MDMA on the cheap. First, we're pretty anonymous here. If sellers are using Tor right and have good security processes, there's an excellent chance of them avoiding the gangs. Never 100%, of course.
If you're only selling online, then yes, but if you're buying online and selling to friends it's another matter. It won't take long before word will spread through to wider and wider circles.
Second, Silk Road at the moment is strictly small fish. We're nothing compared to the street dealing.
Yep. The easiest way to determine that is that SR is a subset of the use of Bitcoins and the total market cap of Bitcoins isn't really large enough to tempt the truly international dealers (like the Mexican cartels) into bothering with it.
Third, ideally speaking we shouldn't be giving in to the gangs.
Of course not, they're just vicious thugs like some pissant 3rd world dictator. Unfortunately, just like 3rd world dictators, they do tend to get their way through brutality, violence and murder. Tactics like that tend to intimidate a lot of otherwise harmless drug users.
A lot of what you said is the same as what I said... If I were a seller I would sell it for more than its worth and less than the street price. How about... $80-100 for 1 gram MDMA? I would do this in an attempt to get other vendors' price lowered.
That would be very encouraging.
The risk of getting caught is always present, for buyers and sellers, with serious consequences.
Yep. Especially if an attempt is made to portray SR communication as a conspiracy to traffic in whatever.
@LouisCyphre again: Even if there was more competition on SR, I have my doubts whether pricing will go down. It'd be nice though.
I think it would depend on how much competition there was that delivered to which regions. If the number of vendors reached a certain point then they would start lowering prices to differentiate their product from their competitions.
SR is essentially one of the finest examples of an almost entirely unregulated economy. Aside from attempts to manage any scammers or genuine disputes and transaction fees to keep the site going, there's none of the normal government impositions on trade (e.g. tax, tarriffs, exclusive deals, etc.). It's entirely down to who delivers the best product in a secure and consistent manner to which section of the market. It's fascinating to watch (in as much as it can be watched here on the forums).
As SR grows and a percentage of the new members become vendors, we should see some gradual fluctuation as they try to compete with each other and the existing vendors. The rate at which that increase occurs is unknown, especially when many people have multiple accounts.
To simplify it a little, once the growth rate has across the globe has increased considerably, it should end up as a buyers' market if the vendors active at that point in the future have an uninterrupted supply of products across the board.
The SR vendors could try making their own cartel to throttle supply and drive prices back up, but human nature dictates that another vendor will take advantage of that by undercutting them. Then the members of this hypothetical (and more than a little unlikely) cartel would begin to lose their nerve, would compete with the lower price and the cartel would fall apart.
One day a sociologist (and/or an anthropologist) is going to log into these forums and come on the spot at the sight of this twisted bazaar.
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But considering we ourselves are willing to buy in bulk - notably above the "personal" amount defined by law (0.75g) we too are taking a comparable legal risk to the dealer. And basic economics dictates that buying in bulk should be cheaper.
Yep. I came at the same thing from a slightly different angle, but economic principles should be reflected here.
In regards to the suggestions that bikies and organised crime are keeping the price high - FUCK THEM. I know they are here reading this, but seriously F.U.C.K T.H.E.M. The nerds have found a better distribution model and one that doesn't involve you fat, violent, outmoded, meathead pricks. This is the ultimate revenge of the nerds. So, eat shit jocks.
Absolutely-god-damned-right!
Actually, it just occurred to me from the way you said that, that what SR may be beginning to do to traditional gangs and organised crime (at a regional level at least) may have some similarities to what Internet file sharing is doing to the music industry. Except not quite as pronounced because there is a physical product which must be traded, it can't simply be replicated as in file sharing.
It is, however, showing that there is a superior alternative to having to deal with some truly unappealing people.
If you are an Aus vendor, put your SR MDMA prices down to spite them. We are anonymous here. We don't need old time gangsta bullshit dictating what we can buy and for how much, even less so than we do from the LE. The markets rule here, not guns or bike fags. Whoever eeks the prices down - gets my business and the business of others, and sales volume outweighs petty price gouging here at SR. It's a marketplace - not a ghetto territory.
Yep, spot on! All those professional gangsters just want to be fascists in their own, narrow-minded, short-sighted little world.
That's my two 0.02 BTC.
And it's worth more than the $0.02 of the bikers and gangsters. ;)
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If i can sell mdma all day long to my mates for $300 a gram (i know they have paid even up to $450!) , then i dont see what the problem is with the price being at around 250-300 a g domestically
Its just that we see all these overseas prices like for like $50 a gram! that makes it seem high imo ...
Look at the domestic weed pricing on sr ... its more then i would pay on the street ? but noone complains
Basically no matter what the price is around the world , SR isnt going to change the price of drugs in australia..
The domestic prices are always gonna have to be priced around street price .. imo.
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Just for the record, last time i bought MDMA on the street around 12 months ago from a trusted friend of mine, it cost me $500/G!
And thats standard where i live in S Australia.
The prices on SR are a godsend believe me!
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It's been years since I was young enough to be raving away on MDMA (talking 90s happy hardcore days, combined with the old Gravity/DCs combined venue days for the Perth folks - the major hardcore and drum-n-base club sharing a courthard with an 'open sexuality' house club, making acceptance of gays/lesbians central to the Perth scene many years before acceptance of gays spread into mass culture (funny how such achievements are overlooked by the anti-rave, anti-drugs crowd).
But even back then, pills in Oz were MUCH more expensive than pills in the UK/Europe.
But there was a BIG difference. In Oz, pills were very high % MDMA, wherein a single pill would give 3-4 hours of huggy, lovey danciness, combined with bursts of chill out lovin' (safety campaigns run within the scene emphasised the need to take breaks from dancing and lower your body temperature to avoid overheating). In the UK around that same time, folks were necking 5 tabs+ to get a loose approximation of that effect, with the pills containing mostly speed+caffeine and little MDMA between them.
In those days at least, the price difference was huge, but taken as $/per-MDMA it was very reasonable.
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We'll maybe see a market correction in prices, but there will always be a proportion of the population that buy into the culture and zeitgiest, where all the BS and trappings of getting pills will outweigh the cost. The more of those types there are, the longer the 500% discrepancy between Local and Int'l Molly prices will remain.
I kinda got tired of the 'discussion' about this elseware because it degenerated into a pathetic flame-war between the local sycophants and anyone who even dare ask the question. The problem is, that I don't see anything changing domestic Molly prices anytime soon. It hasn't really changed in the past 15 years, and it's not like SR is going to make much of a dent, so my philosophy is 'Fuck the local guys, I'm buying International'. For a lot of things, it's exactly what I do IRL, too. Don't like paying $270 for a pair of jeans that's $125 in the US? Buy it online!
To be frank, if I had a local connection I'd probably happily pay a reasonable upcharge for 'Risk', it's just that I don't think 500% is reasonable. What's happened in Australia I'm guessing, is that the Molly market was set up to sell to rebellious middle class ravers who could afford fluro pants and a couple of hundred bucks to get high, and as demand has increased quality has gone down, profits sky-rocketed, and price remained the same due to lack of competition or anything else driving the prices down.
And now we're left with a country where the gear is shit and prices are ridiculous.
*Boom* And now we have SR! 8)
I think there's a market for a few more small time Domestic operators on here, but in terms of it having an impact on the AU market? NnnnnnnIdontthinkso.
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In regards to the suggestions that bikies and organised crime are keeping the price high - FUCK THEM. I know they are here reading this, but seriously F.U.C.K T.H.E.M. The nerds have found a better distribution model and one that doesn't involve you fat, violent, outmoded, meathead pricks. This is the ultimate revenge of the nerds. So, eat shit jocks.
If you are an Aus vendor, put your SR MDMA prices down to spite them. We are anonymous here. We don't need old time gangsta bullshit dictating what we can buy and for how much, even less so than we do from the LE. The markets rule here, not guns or bike fags. Whoever eeks the prices down - gets my business and the business of others, and sales volume outweighs petty price gouging here at SR. It's a marketplace - not a ghetto territory.
8)
To every seedy cunt who knowingly ripped me of: suck my balls! The gig is up.
One of the greatest things SR has given me is independence from the thugs who used to control the drugs.
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If i can sell mdma all day long to my mates for $300 a gram (i know they have paid even up to $450!) , then i dont see what the problem is with the price being at around 250-300 a g domestically
Its just that we see all these overseas prices like for like $50 a gram! that makes it seem high imo ...
Look at the domestic weed pricing on sr ... its more then i would pay on the street ? but noone complains
Basically no matter what the price is around the world , SR isnt going to change the price of drugs in australia..
The domestic prices are always gonna have to be priced around street price .. imo.
I wasn't talking about street pricing. The street pricing can look after itself, we aren't involved in that--and we shouldn't be, either, for our safety. Keep online exclusively online.
Just for the record, last time i bought MDMA on the street around 12 months ago from a trusted friend of mine, it cost me $500/G!
And thats standard where i live in S Australia.
The prices on SR are a godsend believe me!
I'll say it again, we're not comparing street pricing with SR pricing. The street pricing is fixed by a bunch of violent bikies. There's no reason we should emulate their pricing.
It's been years since I was young enough to be raving away on MDMA (talking 90s happy hardcore days, combined with the old Gravity/DCs combined venue days for the Perth folks - the major hardcore and drum-n-base club sharing a courthard with an 'open sexuality' house club, making acceptance of gays/lesbians central to the Perth scene many years before acceptance of gays spread into mass culture (funny how such achievements are overlooked by the anti-rave, anti-drugs crowd).
But even back then, pills in Oz were MUCH more expensive than pills in the UK/Europe.
But there was a BIG difference. In Oz, pills were very high % MDMA, wherein a single pill would give 3-4 hours of huggy, lovey danciness, combined with bursts of chill out lovin' (safety campaigns run within the scene emphasised the need to take breaks from dancing and lower your body temperature to avoid overheating). In the UK around that same time, folks were necking 5 tabs+ to get a loose approximation of that effect, with the pills containing mostly speed+caffeine and little MDMA between them.
In those days at least, the price difference was huge, but taken as $/per-MDMA it was very reasonable.
Interesting how things have changed, huh? Now it's the UK with the super MDMA and Aus that's selling shite for way too much. Street-wise, anyway.
We'll maybe see a market correction in prices, but there will always be a proportion of the population that buy into the culture and zeitgiest, where all the BS and trappings of getting pills will outweigh the cost. The more of those types there are, the longer the 500% discrepancy between Local and Int'l Molly prices will remain.
I kinda got tired of the 'discussion' about this elseware because it degenerated into a pathetic flame-war between the local sycophants and anyone who even dare ask the question. The problem is, that I don't see anything changing domestic Molly prices anytime soon. It hasn't really changed in the past 15 years, and it's not like SR is going to make much of a dent, so my philosophy is 'Fuck the local guys, I'm buying International'. For a lot of things, it's exactly what I do IRL, too. Don't like paying $270 for a pair of jeans that's $125 in the US? Buy it online!
To be frank, if I had a local connection I'd probably happily pay a reasonable upcharge for 'Risk', it's just that I don't think 500% is reasonable. What's happened in Australia I'm guessing, is that the Molly market was set up to sell to rebellious middle class ravers who could afford fluro pants and a couple of hundred bucks to get high, and as demand has increased quality has gone down, profits sky-rocketed, and price remained the same due to lack of competition or anything else driving the prices down.
And now we're left with a country where the gear is shit and prices are ridiculous.
*Boom* And now we have SR! 8)
I think there's a market for a few more small time Domestic operators on here, but in terms of it having an impact on the AU market? NnnnnnnIdontthinkso.
Again, there's a difference between having an impact on Australian street pricing and Australian SR pricing. We can't change the situation on the street, we'd get beaten shitless.
But we can change the situation on SR... although I'm doubtful whether we will. The majority of posters on this thread are just accepting the situation. Change will not happen as a result.