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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Delta11 on June 26, 2012, 10:59 pm
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So a good friend of mine sells a variety of psychedelics irl and off SR. He's a well established seller and is quite good at it, the other day he was shipping something he sold on ebay and as he was driving back from the post office to his house a car started following him but he didn't really pay attention. He took the shortcut on his way home which is through an alley and the car was still on his tail and then out of nowhere a car blocked the exit of the alley and agents rushed out of their cars with their guns drawn. Scared shitless, he got out with his hands way up in the air and they cuffed him and told him that they got an anonymous tip that he was shipping drugs. He denied everything and denied their request to search his car which agitated them (he had nothing to hide anyway). They called it in and asked for a search warrant for the package (he used USPS), once they got the go ahead they opened the package only to find the item he sold from ebay and no drugs whatsoever. They apologized and said they rarely get misleading anonymous tips but it happens, then they let him go and he never had a problem since.
Now here's the part that I don't understand and hopefully someone can shed some light on this. Was it really an anonymous tip they received or have they been watching him and just figured he decided to finally ship out some psychs (he rarely ships anything)? Also, how did they know which package was his? Remember, they pulled him over after he dropped off the package so how did they know? Luckily he doesn't sell on SR so he has avoided this problem ever since the incident but what about the rest of us that do sell on SR? How can we avoid something like this from happening during our drops?
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The main reason people get busted is their MOUTH. They talk shit to their friends, other dealers, and any one else they want to look cool for. Well once you start TALKING others start TALKING and before you know it.... Someone rats you out to save their ass.
I have done plenty of small crimes with friends, but the big ones I did alone. AND NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT!!!!(nothing that would harm anyone, except insurance companies, well I hope they had insurance)
In conclusion KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, and shit like that will not happen.
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By the sounds of things Delta they were watching him and snagged an opportunity to bag him on a higher charge. Shipping shit around the country counts as trafficking and the Pork-Products get more bacon-points the more the fuck people over.
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The main reason people get busted is their MOUTH. They talk shit to their friends, other dealers, and any one else they want to look cool for. Well once you start TALKING others start TALKING and before you know it.... Someone rats you out to save their ass.
Ill second this one!
To use the slogan from WWII "Loose lips sink ships." IMHO the worst are teens, if a teen ever finds out you are dealing they will get some and brag to EVERYONE about there friend, friends dad, mom, of who ever. Before long everyone knows and it is just a matter of time.
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By the sounds of things Delta they were watching him and snagged an opportunity to bag him on a higher charge. Shipping shit around the country counts as trafficking and the Pork-Products get more bacon-points the more the fuck people over.
Purk-Products & Bacon-points, ;D
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By the sounds of things Delta they were watching him and snagged an opportunity to bag him on a higher charge. Shipping shit around the country counts as trafficking and the Pork-Products get more bacon-points the more the fuck people over.
Yeah going to go with this, as soon as you put the stamp on, your ass is federal.
I think they also did the typical intimidation technique when LEOs stake out your place and wait for one of your customers to be walking out with his goodies when they detain him and intimidate him into giving you up.
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The main reason people get busted is their MOUTH. They talk shit to their friends, other dealers, and any one else they want to look cool for. Well once you start TALKING others start TALKING and before you know it.... Someone rats you out to save their ass.
I have done plenty of small crimes with friends, but the big ones I did alone. AND NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT!!!!(nothing that would harm anyone, except insurance companies, well I hope they had insurance)
In conclusion KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, and shit like that will not happen.
Yep.
In the UK just over 80% of drug supply arrests are based on verbal intelligence, I.E. snitching and idiots chatting shit.
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I don't know, LE might have been telling the truth and it was a snitch. If they WERE staking out his house then why would they go through the trouble of tailing him and getting a warrant to search his car, why wouldn't get they get warrant to search his house? Unless they need more to get a warrant and they thought a bust in the car would provide enough evidence to pursue a residence warrant.
Your first sentence is, "So a good friend of mine sells a variety of psychedelics irl and off SR." Then at the end, "Luckily he doesn't sell on SR". Does he sell on SR or no? If he does, possibly he mentioned this to a f2f customer who got busted and rolled on him?
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By the sounds of things Delta they were watching him and snagged an opportunity to bag him on a higher charge. Shipping shit around the country counts as trafficking and the Pork-Products get more bacon-points the more the fuck people over.
Yeah going to go with this, as soon as you put the stamp on, your ass is federal.
I think they also did the typical intimidation technique when LEOs stake out your place and wait for one of your customers to be walking out with his goodies when they detain him and intimidate him into giving you up.
Yeah exactly. Like I said the more they can fuck you the more bacon-points they get.
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Yeah exactly. Like I said the more they can fuck you the more bacon-points they get.
This is how I like my bacon:
http://tinyurl.com/yz8ury7
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtILxBszyf8
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Were they cops or feds?
Either way they most likely did receive an anonymous tip. It is enough for probable cause in certain situations to stop and search a person/vehicle.
The next questions are who gave the tip and why?
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Were they cops or feds?
Either way they most likely did receive an anonymous tip. It is enough for probable cause in certain situations to stop and search a person/vehicle.
The next questions are who gave the tip and why?
DEA
and I doubt it was an anonymous tip, if I called the DEA right now and gave an anonymous tip that my neighbor was shipping drugs would they pull him over? I don't know, I feel like it was more than that but like everyone else said, don't talk about your operation to no one and you'll be fine ;)
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Were they cops or feds?
Either way they most likely did receive an anonymous tip. It is enough for probable cause in certain situations to stop and search a person/vehicle.
The next questions are who gave the tip and why?
DEA
and I doubt it was an anonymous tip, if I called the DEA right now and gave an anonymous tip that my neighbor was shipping drugs would they pull him over? I don't know, I feel like it was more than that but like everyone else said, don't talk about your operation to no one and you'll be fine ;)
I doubt the Alphabet Mafia would act on an anonymous tip lol. That kind of LE don't work on rumours, they build solid cases to make sure that when the time is right they can whip their cock out and penetrate as far and as deep as possible. Minions work on tips because they are looking for scraps off the table, the big county-fair winning Oinkers get served the best dishes.
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The DEA needs to justify their budget. So they will go around bragging that the had X number of convictions but they will never say they only took 0.01% of the drugs off the streets.
D.E.A.
Disorganized Eager Assholes.... without a clue
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtILxBszyf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icb_tRTnA4g&NR=1
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What if he is a huge seller on SR and doesn't even tell you (his close friend about it)? A lot of my really close friends have no idea I am so involved on here, although if they knew about SR in general I may tell them... just a thought.
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Were they cops or feds?
Either way they most likely did receive an anonymous tip. It is enough for probable cause in certain situations to stop and search a person/vehicle.
The next questions are who gave the tip and why?
DEA
and I doubt it was an anonymous tip, if I called the DEA right now and gave an anonymous tip that my neighbor was shipping drugs would they pull him over? I don't know, I feel like it was more than that but like everyone else said, don't talk about your operation to no one and you'll be fine ;)
I doubt the Alphabet Mafia would act on an anonymous tip lol. That kind of LE don't work on rumours, they build solid cases to make sure that when the time is right they can whip their cock out and penetrate as far and as deep as possible. Minions work on tips because they are looking for scraps off the table, the big county-fair winning Oinkers get served the best dishes.
I was thinking the same thing Limetless. If it's to the point where the DEA is involved they have some sort of evidence. They're not going to waste their time if they don't.
Exactly. The only time the DEA would jump like that on an anonymous tip is if they had evidence already and it would give them a chance to bump it to a trafficking charge (which is what they were trying to do clearly, that is rather transparent IMO). Also the DEA is a Federal branch of the Oinker family tree is it not? Oinkers of the Federal bloodline as don't fuck around like the Plod bloodline Oinkers, that's because Plod bloodline Oinkers are the minions in the chain and that is what they are meant to do, plod around like minions. They get the scraps while the Federal Oinkers get the best chow.
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An anonymous tip by itself is not enough to raid someone afaik
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So a good friend of mine sells a variety of psychedelics irl and off SR. He's a well established seller and is quite good at it, the other day he was shipping something he sold on ebay and as he was driving back from the post office to his house a car started following him but he didn't really pay attention. He took the shortcut on his way home which is through an alley and the car was still on his tail and then out of nowhere a car blocked the exit of the alley and agents rushed out of their cars with their guns drawn. Scared shitless, he got out with his hands way up in the air and they cuffed him and told him that they got an anonymous tip that he was shipping drugs. He denied everything and denied their request to search his car which agitated them (he had nothing to hide anyway). They called it in and asked for a search warrant for the package (he used USPS), once they got the go ahead they opened the package only to find the item he sold from ebay and no drugs whatsoever. They apologized and said they rarely get misleading anonymous tips but it happens, then they let him go and he never had a problem since.
Now here's the part that I don't understand and hopefully someone can shed some light on this. Was it really an anonymous tip they received or have they been watching him and just figured he decided to finally ship out some psychs (he rarely ships anything)? Also, how did they know which package was his? Remember, they pulled him over after he dropped off the package so how did they know? Luckily he doesn't sell on SR so he has avoided this problem ever since the incident but what about the rest of us that do sell on SR? How can we avoid something like this from happening during our drops?
no offence mate, but if the Alphabet Mafia is reading this you've just implicated your friend who got off billiantly and even gave himself some insurance. (in the way that if they get another "anonymous tip" they will see wait we tried this once and it was all a big misunderstanding)
All one of the agencys has to do is go back, look at the case youve desrcibed and theyve now got another reason to give him another visit (probably a 6am one this time)
Sorry but if im supposedly the Stupidest person on SR and i can work this out, So can the "intelligence" agency's
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An anonymous tip by itself is not enough to raid someone afaik
Not even if they were investigating someone and then had the opportunity to fuck them for more than they thought? For example in this case they think he is dealin locally and then someone gives them a bell saying "Oh he is shipping xyz to abc" and then they can do them for traffickin as well? If they had people outside the house watching it wouldn't be hard to watch them walk out the house with a box and take the opportunity.
Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
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An anonymous tip by itself is not enough to raid someone afaik
Not even if they were investigating someone and then had the opportunity to fuck them for more than they thought? For example in this case they think he is dealin locally and then someone gives them a bell saying "Oh he is shipping xyz to abc" and then they can do them for traffickin as well? If they had people outside the house watching it wouldn't be hard to watch them walk out the house with a box and take the opportunity.
Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
I am not 100% positive, but I am 90% sure that a tip is only enough to watch a person until they find enough evidence for probable cause. For example, if someone gives a tip that you are selling drugs they cannot afaik immediately raid you but rather have to wait for you to do something like throw out drug packaging supplies with residue on them. Or they could pull you over for a traffic violation. If an anonymous tip was enough to raid someone, it would turn into a tool to get people who piss you off raided for no reason.
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An anonymous tip by itself is not enough to raid someone afaik
It is in my country and we have fairly civilized drug laws.
All a cop has to do to get a search warrant in some jurisdictions is find a justice of the peace" (two day course costing less the $300) and convince him to sign a search warrant. Now what would you do if someone was rocking up to your house at 6pm every night while your trying to have dinner with your family and the only way to get rid of him is to sign a piece of paper?
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An anonymous tip by itself is not enough to raid someone afaik
Not even if they were investigating someone and then had the opportunity to fuck them for more than they thought? For example in this case they think he is dealin locally and then someone gives them a bell saying "Oh he is shipping xyz to abc" and then they can do them for traffickin as well? If they had people outside the house watching it wouldn't be hard to watch them walk out the house with a box and take the opportunity.
Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
I am not 100% positive, but I am 90% sure that a tip is only enough to watch a person until they find enough evidence for probable cause. For example, if someone gives a tip that you are selling drugs they cannot afaik immediately raid you but rather have to wait for you to do something like throw out drug packaging supplies with residue on them. Or they could pull you over for a traffic violation. If an anonymous tip was enough to raid someone, it would turn into a tool to get people who piss you off raided for no reason.
Yeah true but saying that if he was being investigated they could have already been through his bins and found packaging/paraphernalia or whatever. So potentially it's not out of the realms of possibility, I think it just depends on what has taken place before hand.
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An anonymous tip by itself is not enough to raid someone afaik
Not even if they were investigating someone and then had the opportunity to fuck them for more than they thought? For example in this case they think he is dealin locally and then someone gives them a bell saying "Oh he is shipping xyz to abc" and then they can do them for traffickin as well? If they had people outside the house watching it wouldn't be hard to watch them walk out the house with a box and take the opportunity.
Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
I am not 100% positive, but I am 90% sure that a tip is only enough to watch a person until they find enough evidence for probable cause. For example, if someone gives a tip that you are selling drugs they cannot afaik immediately raid you but rather have to wait for you to do something like throw out drug packaging supplies with residue on them. Or they could pull you over for a traffic violation. If an anonymous tip was enough to raid someone, it would turn into a tool to get people who piss you off raided for no reason.
If the tip was that he is mailing illicit items then all they have to do is watch him for a few nights, see him leave his house to post Ebay/SR items and they would have convinced themselves that it was true. Hence why they would have busted him when they knew he was going to drop off mail so they could attempt to catch him red handed. he just got lucky and OP should delete this thread. Another example of too much Information that can be cross referenced and used to Profile on these forums
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
I thought so, but clarification never hurts. I've read enough of your posts on other threads to think that you'd be inclined to help the latter section of LE. ;)
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
I thought so, but clarification never hurts. I've read enough of your posts on other threads to think that you'd be inclined to help the latter section of LE. ;)
Lol nah I wouldn't do that, I'd just go and kill me a nonce. Why would you turn a snitch and betray the cardinal rule and rob yourself of the chance to murk a child molester?
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
I thought so, but clarification never hurts. I've read enough of your posts on other threads to think that you'd be inclined to help the latter section of LE. ;)
Lol nah I wouldn't do that, I'd just go and kill me a nonce. Why would you turn a snitch and betray the cardinal rule and rob yourself of the chance to murk a child molester?
oi lim present an alternative to the mainstream view in a CP thread and see how much you can get your +125 down. I dare ya. do it for the lulz
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
I thought so, but clarification never hurts. I've read enough of your posts on other threads to think that you'd be inclined to help the latter section of LE. ;)
Lol nah I wouldn't do that, I'd just go and kill me a nonce. Why would you turn a snitch and betray the cardinal rule and rob yourself of the chance to murk a child molester?
oi lim present an alternative to the mainstream view in a CP thread and see how much you can get your +125 down. I dare ya. do it for the lulz
Not. For. Shit.
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seriously probably should start banning any CP threads. As much as i stick by my view i know its open to slaughter by the media or anyone else with an agenda against silk road. Plus there stupid anyway The title of thread is usually along the lines of "whats your opinion on CP" and then when someone presents an alternative view they get grouped flamed and everyone gets called a pedofile
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Yeah I am now, I am sick of seeing all the friction they cause. It's creates bad vibes and as you say invites bad press from the-powers-that-shouldn't-be.
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
I thought so, but clarification never hurts. I've read enough of your posts on other threads to think that you'd be inclined to help the latter section of LE. ;)
Lol nah I wouldn't do that, I'd just go and kill me a nonce. Why would you turn a snitch and betray the cardinal rule and rob yourself of the chance to murk a child molester?
Very good point there. I wouldn't.
The only problem I have with murdering a child molester is that it may be letting them off too lightly.
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
I thought so, but clarification never hurts. I've read enough of your posts on other threads to think that you'd be inclined to help the latter section of LE. ;)
Lol nah I wouldn't do that, I'd just go and kill me a nonce. Why would you turn a snitch and betray the cardinal rule and rob yourself of the chance to murk a child molester?
Very good point there. I wouldn't.
The only problem I have with murdering a child molester is that it may be letting them off too lightly.
Nobody made any rules saying you have to kill them quickly.
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Obviously I'm not American so I dunno but I know SOCA might do that so I'm judging from that.
Just to clarify here, but in the LE context are you using SOCA to mean Serious Organised Crime Agency or Sexual Offences and Child Abuse? I'd assume the former, but the latter is used in some jurisdictions.
Lol, the former mate, don't worry.
I thought so, but clarification never hurts. I've read enough of your posts on other threads to think that you'd be inclined to help the latter section of LE. ;)
Lol nah I wouldn't do that, I'd just go and kill me a nonce. Why would you turn a snitch and betray the cardinal rule and rob yourself of the chance to murk a child molester?
Very good point there. I wouldn't.
The only problem I have with murdering a child molester is that it may be letting them off too lightly.
Nobody made any rules saying you have to kill them quickly.
Very true.
It's so nice to find like-minded people.
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Moreover, if they had been building a case against him and he was under surveillance than the DEA would have drafted their affidavit, presented it to a Judge who would make the determination that probable cause existed that your friend was in possession of drugs with intent to deliver with the additional charge of mail fraud and the DEA would be granted their warrant.
But that didn't happen. They reacted fast to a tip.
And the DEA does small time busts all the time.
Shit, they have a reality show on FX busting inner city gangs for half kilos of coke and pounds of weed.
They are a joke.
This.
The DEA goes after anyone at the mid-level and above. That means middle men reselling to street dealers and definitely anyone selling online or in other places where feds have total jurisdiction. Someone probably snitched on your friend. It likely wasn't an "anonymous tip" but rather a very much nonymous statement from someone they are already "working with" if you know what I mean.
Your circle should now be aware of the rat that is probably in their midst. That, or the DEA may have gotten some random intelligence from the postal inspector or some other hidden means that lead them to follow your friend whenever he prints stamps or it looks like he's mailing something. Depends on how careless he is versus how much he runs his mouth. They weren't actually investigating him for a while or else they would have made sure it was drugs in that package before they busted him, or they would have just followed him to an in-person deal and swooped in the second an exchange was made. If I were him, I'd avoid doing in-person deals as well as anything online until I could make sure none of the people I sold to were possible informants. I still think the local snitch or a similar character tipped them off. That's usually the source of most cases like this.
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I don't know, LE might have been telling the truth and it was a snitch. If they WERE staking out his house then why would they go through the trouble of tailing him and getting a warrant to search his car, why wouldn't get they get warrant to search his house? Unless they need more to get a warrant and they thought a bust in the car would provide enough evidence to pursue a residence warrant.
Your first sentence is, "So a good friend of mine sells a variety of psychedelics irl and off SR." Then at the end, "Luckily he doesn't sell on SR". Does he sell on SR or no? If he does, possibly he mentioned this to a f2f customer who got busted and rolled on him?
i may be wrong here, but it seems to me that if it was a snitch they would already have warrants in place for the car, house, etc. In my area of the country, at least, LE does a lot of "fishing trips" like this hoping the perp will spill the beans and let something slip under pressure.