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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Cliff Edge on August 11, 2013, 02:18 pm
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Seller Accounts for sale, take a look :)
Hi we currently have 4 seller accounts for sale each with different merits, we are open to realistic prices/offers.
Depending on there history these accounts should help you to get going fast!
1x seller account being previously ranked in the 1% position, 2 years old
1x seller account being previously ranked approx 15% position , 1year 8 months approx old
1x brand new unused seller account with unclaimed vender bond attached, at approx 11btc.
1x brand new unused seller account with unclaimed vender bond attached, at approx 600$ btc value(ish).
The sale will be done through SR escrow using one of the seller accounts we have, please contact us with questions/ offers if you are interested.
Due to sensitivity of information we prefer to respond to any PM's that use the PGP key supplied below and also provide your public key so we can respond.
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bump , accounts still for sale with different status levels, realistic offers considered to be sold now! ;D
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Is this even allowed?
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Sure why not, selling of a seller account is allowed, and sales of any these accounts will be as listings on silkroad with escrow cover.
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bump :-*
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Is this even allowed?
If it is, it shouldn't be. You're essentially buying a ton of no-longer-genuine feedback + reviews.
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Vendors shouldn't be allowed to sell accounts.
Your account is your REP and Identity and it's quite low to allowed these to be traded as commodity's.
At least that's the view Atlantis takes when it comes to selling vendor accounts
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You would be buying nothing cuz evry1 would know it was sold and the feedback couldn't be trusted any longer. It would just destroy the rep of the seller account. I think giving it to a reliable person with your same business ethic that you actually know would be the only time a transfer of a seller acct would seem legit to me.
Smells bad, nobody gonna bite.
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Vendors shouldn't be allowed to sell accounts.
Your account is your REP and Identity and it's quite low to allowed these to be traded as commodity's.
At least that's the view Atlantis takes when it comes to selling vendor accounts
The difference here is that Silk Road takes a libertarian view, along with not censoring member discussion. We vehemently protect freedom here, both the freedom to speak one's mind and the freedom to do as you please with something you have bought as long as it does not break forum nor main site rules (in this case, the sale of a vendor account). The vendor account was purchased in an honest, free trade and thus it belongs to the person that purchased it to do with as they please. It IS a commodity in that regard and the person that retains ownership of it can themselves sell it in an honest, free trade.
Silk Road is not just a "drug site" - it is a Libertarian, free-market based platform that seeks to empower individuals and create a bastion of freedom which will stoke the fires of liberty in the hearts and minds of our fellow community members. Only with those fires burning can we hope to fight the restrictions that are constantly being imposed on us by government oppressors.
Libertas
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that is very dangerous for it to be allowed because if you are buying certain products from certain vendors that are consider "harder" substances and one vendor has one quality and potency and than sells his account to another vendor who has something different that could harm his loyal customers in a very negative manner, im just saying i understand the whole liberty and freedom approach and i agree 150% with it but i think vendors should at least have to be held to some sort of standard to atleast notify its customers of the switch because seller A might be a loyal SR traveler and is dedicated to the success where as seller B might give to shits and if seller B got his hands on an awesome account say one ranked in the top 1% .....i could only imagine the scam that would create and the amount of money lost....just saying im kinda of wary about that
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The difference here is that Silk Road takes a libertarian view, along with not censoring member discussion. We vehemently protect freedom here, both the freedom to speak one's mind and the freedom to do as you please with something you have bought as long as it does not break forum nor main site rules (in this case, the sale of a vendor account). The vendor account was purchased in an honest, free trade and thus it belongs to the person that purchased it to do with as they please. It IS a commodity in that regard and the person that retains ownership of it can themselves sell it in an honest, free trade.
Silk Road is not just a "drug site" - it is a Libertarian, free-market based platform that seeks to empower individuals and create a bastion of freedom which will stoke the fires of liberty in the hearts and minds of our fellow community members. Only with those fires burning can we hope to fight the restrictions that are constantly being imposed on us by government oppressors.
Libertas
This is where the lines blur a bit then as over on Atlantis we believe in Libertarian principles as much as anybody on here but even the most hardened proponent of Libertarianism/Austrian school of Economics will say to have a functioning market you need to be able to accurately judge who you are trading with otherwise the market is being involuntarily shrouded in uncertainty and doubt since you cannot ensure "x" who you traded with last week is still "x" today.
In my opinion this then creates the same fundamental "interferences" in the market economy that Friedrich Hayek would be totally against. I don't know if you read The Road to Serfdom but in the book, Hayek writes that the government has a role to play in the economy through the monetary system, work-hours regulation, institutions for the flow of proper information, and other principles on which most members of a free society will tend to agree.
We at Atlantis would argue that regulating the sale of vendor accounts and removing posts created to intentionally cause fear/uncertainty/doubt among people on the forums comes under "institutions for the flow of proper information"
While it must make it easier to operate Silk Road with such light touch regulation, for the buyer this only makes the risks of being taken advantage of higher. If we want to survive prosper and defeat the war on drugs then we need to foster a community of trust and people turning their personal reputation into a commodity to us flies in the face of trust. ( I think even your original DPR might have agreed on that )
libertarians often fail to recognize the Achilles heel of their own otherwise very appealing philosophy:its doctrinaire disregard for any commonly-shared conception of the good of society at which we should aim, not only as individuals, but as people. This weakness exists because libertarians imagine there are only two players in the political game - the coercive state at the top and free individuals at the bottom but reality is far more complicated than that because in the middle you have relationships between people in a civil society who look out for one another.
Atlantis has no problem stepping in to make sure buyers and vendors don't turn their personal reputation into a commodity to be bought or sold.
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Vendors shouldn't be allowed to sell accounts.
Your account is your REP and Identity and it's quite low to allowed these to be traded as commodity's.
At least that's the view Atlantis takes when it comes to selling vendor accounts
The difference here is that Silk Road takes a libertarian view, along with not censoring member discussion. We vehemently protect freedom here, both the freedom to speak one's mind and the freedom to do as you please with something you have bought as long as it does not break forum nor main site rules (in this case, the sale of a vendor account). The vendor account was purchased in an honest, free trade and thus it belongs to the person that purchased it to do with as they please. It IS a commodity in that regard and the person that retains ownership of it can themselves sell it in an honest, free trade.
Silk Road is not just a "drug site" - it is a Libertarian, free-market based platform that seeks to empower individuals and create a bastion of freedom which will stoke the fires of liberty in the hearts and minds of our fellow community members. Only with those fires burning can we hope to fight the restrictions that are constantly being imposed on us by government oppressors.
Libertas
But what is it that is bought? It seems like there is a very specific set of capabilities that are being purchased with a vendor's account - use of the escrow system, listings, maintenance, etc. I doubt anyone would take issue with this capability being freely bought and sold. That said, one of the key support systems on the site is the community-based rating mechanism. The continued use of this system lends a degree of legitimacy (for lack of a better word) to those sellers who have built and sustained trust relationships with the buying community. If this reputation can be bought and sold then you've arguably ceased providing part of the purchased value of the vendor account to the remainder of the vending community.
Most versions of libertarianism (little- or big- "L") advocate that the boundaries of personal freedom are defined in some large part by the extent to which an individual's actions harm another. Murder and theft tend to be frowned upon, for example. How does the open ability to participate in a marketplace jibe with allowing for blatant misrepresentation? Buy and sell accounts - it's no active concern of mine - but why even bother *having* identities, feedback systems and any kind of qualification if each can be readily ignored?
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Interesting arguments from libertas, heisenberg2.0 and n0nc3s, certainly had me questioning my libertarian principles, no system is perfect and I can see some of both sides of the table, however IRL businesses change hands all the time and their online accounts and reps would no doubt go with them,
After careful consideration I'm in the libertas camp. If I was purchasing one of these accounts, I would probably list on my seller page, Under new management, or words to that effect, after all I'm not out to deceive anyone.
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Why is one 600 and the other 11btc if they are the same essentially? What is the difference between them?
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11btc for ONE account.
Where is the added value I have to ask?? Otherwise I'm with Heisenberg on the fact it's not right to sell "Good rep" for over $1500
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When you buy from a top 1% seller you'd hope you can assume they're not LE. My beef with selling accounts is that it would be far to easy for LE to buy these accounts and harvest addresses.
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Damn, I didn't know this was allowed. I might have to pick one of these up (assuming it's cheaper than going through the proper channels first). I don't want people to think I'm a scammer or piggybacker if I buy an account like this though.
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11btc for ONE account.
Where is the added value I have to ask?? Otherwise I'm with Heisenberg on the fact it's not right to sell "Good rep" for over $1500
I think you misunderstand, this unused account has a 11btc unclaimed bond attached, thats not the price im selling it for, eg. its worth $1400?(approx) when you claim the bond after so many sales and meet bond requirements then you get the 11 btc bond back, im open to offers and ill accept a fair bit less.
Thanks for the interesting comments, it doesnt seem favoured selling accounts, but theres no harm that i can see and as said stating "under new management" is a honest approach to taking over a seller account.
And buying a used account for history is worthless, these are old accounts and all history is no longer listed.
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When you buy from a top 1% seller you'd hope you can assume they're not LE. My beef with selling accounts is that it would be far to easy for LE to buy these accounts and harvest addresses.
That was my first thought as well, although they could set up a new account and get some addresses as well,however I don't they would send out product, as the liability would be pretty high on there part for example a 15 year old kid ordered it an OD'd (I could be wrong here, as those jack booted thugs sell guns to the cartels, and whoever else wanted them). I think they like to know who they are selling to first. either way point being they would not get much because word would spread and people wouldn't order.
And lets face it they are not after the end users, they like to go big, up the chain, I believe they mostly rely on old fashioned police work to bust people, the road is not where most of the drugs are sold, and it is pretty difficult to track people (not impossible, but why would they bother when they can get joe dealer picking up his load for the week from joe bigger dealer in person), and have a much more solid case than proving computer ip trails etc.
That is a little off point, I think that selling a vendor account is OK as long as it is made clear it has been sold.