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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: b0m on August 02, 2013, 04:23 pm
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Hi,
i promised i will make this Thread so here i go.
The following is a conversation between me and with who i think was libertas. I have to apology for my rage and rather bad english. I wrote the most messages in a rush with a lot of ugly failures but i think the point should be clear. I cba to go through that all again.
Keep in mind the conversation starts 2 weeks after i reported the vendor the last time from at least 2 times (i think it was 3 times), and thats also why i was in a little rage already because nothing has happened when 2 different costumer supporters (a third even pm'ed me lately) already promised they will make the administrators look into it. And the people kept popping up saying they got scammed.
My thread of hazebusta can be found here (tho u can find some more): http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=172857.msg1240537#msg1240537
This thread however is not about hazebusta but rather about the SR customer support going rogue for a few bitcoins they gather from all the fake feedbacks from hazebusta (it is so funny. u can see him daily. 12 hours no feedback, and when the feedbacks start to come in - 6 new fe's in one hour and counting. Every day hahaha. There is just no way of doing it any more obvious.
Anyway, look and judge for yourself:
Me:
Hi,
i see hazebusta continues to scam people, his rates continue to fall. Why is that? Why do u allow this guy to keep going? U seriously after the money? U seriously prefer those few cents (let it be thousands) over your customers safety, let this guy threat people. U have prove in a PM and just because he used another language than english to do so u dont ban him? So if i decide to sell in my country only and use my language only im free to threat people all day long? u gotta be kidding...
I think i have to rethink my opinion about u guys.... It looks really ugly. And if nothing happens about that real quick i will go public with it.
Cheers.
SR Support:
I see 'hazebusta' is maintaining a very healthy vendor score with no indication that he is scamming buyers, nor any indication that he is padding his feedback. If he was padding his feedback, he would be suspended without warning.
Go wherever you like with this, "public" or otherwise; that is your right and you are free to do so. You are also fully entitled to any opinion you have about us.
However, please note that making demands of us to do something "about that real quick" receives a very cold reception. We certainly won't be going "above and beyond" to assist you with any future issues you may have; you will get the most basic help that we are obliged to offer you. We are not your personal servants - respect is a two way street and a little goes a long way.
~SR Support
Me:
indeed is a two way street and a little goes a long way. Thats exactly why i came up with that last post.
U blatantly ignoring my reports about this guy THREATENING me, saying he will go after the address i gave him. So who knows, the real owners might already got a letterbomb or whatever, and u doesnt seem to mind one bit. That alone is reason alone to ban this vendor.
Now let alone the tens of customers who reported him scamming them. Let alone the almost hundreds customers (and counting) customers who got tons of leave and unacceptable quality for their money when he advertised coffeeshop quality, who also give him tons of bad feedback. Which at its own is plain scam. And reason to ban him.
Your guys (sr support) attitude changed quite a lot lately and not for the good. At the end of the day this will bite u. Getting greedy is one thing. Putting ur customers life at risk possibly for a few more bitcoins is the other.
Your last message will go public as well (certain people will love the line: 'with no indication that he is scamming buyers'). this attitude is unacceptable. Dont think ur above it all. I hope karma will get u for this.
I said Quick because ive reported him weeks ago and u could AND should have saved a lot of peoples money already. But u keep on supporting and even defend this scammer and possibly murder or whatever. SHAME ON YOU! I cant care less for this kind of support. There is no way if providing a worse customer service, so how could u make it worse?
Sr support:
Your reports were not ignored; you were told by the other administrator that he would get somebody who speaks the language to look into it, and we could not use your nominee as it needs to be somebody completely unrelated to either of you. We cannot suspend a vendor based on a Google Translate translation that may well be incorrect. It IS possible that looking into this got buried underneath other administrator's other workload, and I will check into that.
You had a transaction where you received a different product than you were expecting; please read the SR Wiki FAQ section regarding what to do if your order is not what was expected. That is also what the feedback area is for - to provide feedback on the product.
The only scam reports that we can take into account are the ones that reach us here; no other buyer has reported problems with 'hazebusta' to us, and we cannot act on non-existent reports. We are not "getting greedy" - if a vendor is seen to have broken the rules, they are stripped of their vending privileges.
I have no problem with any of our messages "going public". As I mentioned in my previous message, you are fully entitled to do that. Nor do I care that "certain people will love the line: 'with no indication that he is scamming buyers'" as I have looked into the vendor's account history and found no evidence of scamming. If a buyer feels they are getting scammed, they need to take the order to resolution. If they FE on the order, they are aware that we cannot offer support for it.
The vendor's feedback does not reflect that of a scammer, and your claims that his rating is dropping are completely untrue. He's at a very strong feedback score of (98). I have also checked to ensure that the vendor has not been padding their feedback after reading the feedback you left claiming that they got a large amount of FE's after you posted your reports, which pushed your feedback off the front page. They did get a number of FE's after your feedback was posted, but all were legitimate transactions.
Again, stating things like "I hope karma will get u for this" is unnecessary and quite uncalled for. I will not be responding to any further messages from you regarding this situation as the order has been finalized, and you are aware that we cannot offer support for finalized orders. However, I will double-check with the administrative team as to whether or not your initial claims of threats were looked into, and if they were not, I will look into why that was the case.
You've taken this from 'I got leaves instead of the bud I ordered and would like to complain about what I feel was a threat' to 'the vendor has possibly murdered someone with a letterbomb'. That is simply outrageous. If it turns out that a suspension is warranted, it will happen; we hold our vendors to very high standards and if they break the rules that they agreed to abide by upon becoming a vendor they are reprimanded for it.
You are free to post these messages anywhere you wish, though if you do, I would ask that you post both your messages and SR Support's messages so as people can see the true nature of the conversation rather than you simply making us out to be folks that care more about BTC than people's safety.
~SR Support
Me:
And by saying 'We are not your personal servants' i see u clearly missed the point in whats happening here. You are not helping ME by banning him. You are not helping ME by taking care of the problem i reported. I will not buy from this vendor a second time. Im done with him. You are helping his future customers who WILL get threatened and who WILL get scammed. You help the customers who got scammed entirely who actually watch him keep selling just because they left escrow in good faith. You are actually helping URSELF in keeping the attitude nice as ive got to known SR. This guy is hurting the reputation of SR a lot. The ONLY positive thing U get out of this guy are the fees.
The only thing in what u help me here is to avoid the bad feeling i get when i see another guy got scammed because u go corrupt and dont act when i (who never reported a vendor before other than to help the sr support and has FLAWLESS transaction stats) report this faq by him threatening one of the best possible customers an sr vendor can think of.
And all U care for is going personal and cry like a little baby 'wuah, u said 'quick', im not going to help u anymore'... grow up and do ur job right. By the way, if u call 'above and beyond' whatever u did in this case, then u can put that right where the sun doesnt shine. Because u clearly did it wrong. Down and under would be a better description.
I am not reporting a vendor for my personal favor. I am reporting them when it is absolutely necessary. To avoid him hurting others. NOT for my personal faith. Get that if u can... And u might want to change ur opinion about not going above and beyond for me. Because if there is someone on this site u should do that for - it is me. AND NOT A SCAMMING BASTARD WHO IS WILLING TO THREAT AND SCAM UR CUSTOMERS!!!
Get ur priorities right.... for the sake of your karma and ur customers. For the GOOD people u know. Not the bad just because of profit. U going the wrong path i tell u that.
Me again:
'getting greedy' was directed to the silence fee changes lately. And for sure directed to u prioritising a scamming vendor over a poor customer who got threatened by him. Seemingly just for the money.
My claims of his rates are dropping are untrue? His sales continue to grow daily and whenever i look at his profile his percentage stats fall more???? Even a blind person can tell that his rates are falling hard? He scams people entirely to pay the fees for his fakefeedback. The reported feedback u talk about was the feedback BEFORE mine and not the ones after. He started the FE maraton 2 or 3 sites before my feedback when i told him i have to give a bad feedback if he is not willing to work something out. < again shows how seriously u take ur job. How am i supposed to write i suspect fakefeedback in the future? Right, without being jesus that is a hard task.
So a vendor here is entitled to scam as many customers as he wants as long as it is out of escrow? Doesnt matter how many people report him, u dont even count them as reports as u are saying no reports about this vendor have reached u?
U say I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have taken it from 'I got leaves instead of the bud I ordered and would like to complain about what I feel was a threat' to 'the vendor has possibly murdered someone with a letterbomb'????????
Are u plain stupid or crazy??? I have done NOTHING wrong. I was done with this motherfucker as soon as i gave him the first bad feedback i ever gave in my life. AFTER THAT!!!!!!!!!!! HE THREATENED ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So get ur facts right. Not I have taken it from 'I got leaves instead of the bud I ordered and would like to complain about what I feel was a threat' to 'the vendor has possibly murdered someone with a letterbomb' BUT HE HIMSELF DID THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now u trying to spin the facts around for such a motherfucker? What the hell is wrong with u?
Sorry but with ur attitude i have a hard time keeping cool.
And me again:
And be sure, i will add every single message of me as well. There is nothing to be ashamed of. A little rage that everybody with a little brain will understand.
Sr support:
My apologies, I did indeed misread a very small part of your feedback. However, I did look into hazebusta's account history and there is no evidence at all of feedback padding. His rating would not be affected to any large degree by new accounts used solely to pad feedback either; please read the 'Feedback score' section of the SR Wiki to find out how the feedback score is calculated.
His rates are not "falling hard"; he is currently maintaining a feedback score of (98). You don't have the facts to hand that we do, nor do you know how many people did or did not send in reports regarding the vendor in question.
If you can't keep your cool, that's fine, but I'm not going to be engaging you if you continue directing insults at me, especially when you don't have the facts of the matter to hand. I have already told you that I would look into whether or not the "threat" was investigated, and if it was not, I will find out why not and ensure that it IS investigated. Regarding scamming, there is no evidence to suggest that the vendor is scamming buyers at all. If we get reports of scams from people that have ordered from him we will check them out. However, as far as support for FE'd orders goes, please read the SR Wiki.
~SR Support
Me:
Did u know that the feedback score has an after comma number? This one is continue to fall! even with the tons of 5/5 he receive! When i bought from him he had 98.6 now he has 97.6 or something. I have all my facts straight. I have people who got scammed PM me in the forum because they cant write in the thread i created because they dont have 50 posts. I have people writing In this thread reporting that they got scammed. All i did and can do about it is telling them to report him. They all claimed that they already reported him and nothing happens. They have no reason to lie to me and i have no reason to not believe them.
I can understand that u dont/cant act with people leaving escrow. BUT if u have such a motherfucker scamming people outside escrow then u could easily take MY reason, that is HIM threatening me!!!! u know, i didnt force him to do that (u talk like i did that)... to ban him. But if u dont do that, what am i supposed to think then?
Keep in mind - i wasnt even reporting him AT ALL. I was entirely DONE with him after my FIRST feedback. I wasnt even going to give him the other feedback i still had open with him. HE went on, threatening me AFTER my feedback.....
Every possible judge can only find him guilty if not corrupted.
U dont need any other facts than this guy has threatened someone and this should be priority number one to clear that up. If that is not happening u clearly do something wrong.
Because i am happy if he gets banned doesnt make me less trustworthy does it? Afterall he scammed me. Me foreseeing he will get banned doesnt rectify his threat, does it? U must not act against it when people foresee what u will be doing in this situation. This should be nothing to influence ur decision in this matter, correct me if im wrong. It seems u think im trying to create a revolta against this vendor just because he gave me a bad quality product. Thats not the case here. Like i said, i was DONE with this whole story after my review on sr and in the forum UNTIL he threat me.
By the way i foresee that he will get banned sooner or later BEFORE i read his threat. Good feeling when u foresee it and right a minute later u see the best reason for this bastard to get banned in your pm box.
His attitude alone should be reason enough for u to take a very deep look into it and lookup the evidence against him. But as u dont seem to take it too serious i have to think what i just stated about ur attitude.
I hate to see such an attitude from u because i am one of the guys fighting for sr and let nothing comes over u. Doing that with all my heart hurts when seeing u dont act as u r supposed to. Add to that the strange bad vibez going around the forums and u have a very loyal customer losing faith in u. U might think this one customer is not important but this will add up. I am certainly not the only one.
I am even considering using atlantis or bmr the last few days even tho i always said 'SR and nothing else'. You guys are doing SOMETHING wrong lately. Im not really sure what it is but i really hope u find out and fix it....
Sr support:
I am not the administrator that investigates those kinds of things but as I have already stated I will have it looked into. You are of course free to use BMR and Atlantis - and we wish you the best of luck if you choose to do so; it is a free market, after all, and that's the ultimate goal we're fighting for - nobody is restricted to one place of business. I will, however, ensure that your claims of threats get looked into if they have not been looked into already.
~SR Support
Me:
You are a new one right? Dont take it too personal but i think it is maybe u who is the problem. U seriously go on the line that i think to use another blackmarket? U think i dont know that i can choose any site i want? U think i dont know that i am not restricted to sr? That was a little line so u know how one of the hardheaded sr users think about the situation lately. I dont know, the former sr support cared about things like that which was not a bad thing i suppose.
I have a feeling DPR sat the wrong person between him and the community. Indigo was just the perfect one for this job. I will have a talk with the community about that as well.
May i ask if u enjoy what u do (sr job)? I encountered some big time anti-sympathy against u in the forum by all this negative karma (if you are legolitas(?)).
I would so love to hear the story about u (i know i will probably never get to hear it but anyway), what got u into sr and so forth. To understand why dpr would just choose to put the wrong person in the wrong position while before making everything right. And that almost overnight.... *thoughts to myself* i suspect some kind of real life relationship. Maybe even family. Thats mostly the case when the wrong people take leading positions.*thoughts to myself off*
Man i hate to see sr goes downhill really bad :( *prays it will change*
But thanks (in the name of all scammed people and all future customers of him) for making sure the threat gets looked into!
THE END
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Now that all is 24 days ago and hazebusta still keeps scamming and his rates still keep falling while his 5/5 fe's keeps rising. And thats what the sr support calls no indication of scamming!?
I gave this guy 2 times 1/5 and his stats didnt change at all! That means it takes a whole lot more than that to get his stats even 0.1% down. That just makes it so obvious that he must be scamming or at least doing something very wrong. Everyone who cant see it is corrupted.
I see the point of it in DPR eyes. The guy keeps faking his stats and dpr keeps earning the fees for that.
But putting the customers safety at risk for that is an absolute no-go in my opinion and is against anything i thought sr stands for. It makes me really sad knowing the sad truth now. I really thought dpr and team would be different. Im quite sure they were. Just until libertas arrived. :/
@ dpr
i would love u to have a thought about your morals. U might make a little bit more money with scamming/stats faking vendors like that. But in the long run it will make u lose money as a lot of real loyal customers/vendors will lose faith in you.
So what do u prefer? One stupid little motherfucker scamming/threatening ur customers but bringing u some money, or a whole lot of loyal customers who all bring u real money instead of faked?
I can tell u what I would prefer. But i have a hard time figuring what u prefer. Seeing as u let him vending here even tho a lot of scamming reports came in already (even if your customer support lies about it and says NO report came in).
Please have a hard look into the actions of libertas (also the one where he got accused giving out very private information about a vendor (i believe it was drugsforcash or something like that) which sounded very dangerous to me. Here is the thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=188829.msg1367969;topicseen#msg1367969
Im not partly interested in the scammer from this thread, but i would take a very deep look what the guy is talking about saying libertas gave out information about him. As i suspect he used his Adminstatus to look into his account and sniff out those information to then give it out to someone else. Thats exactly what i would suspect from a guy with such a bad attitude.
By the way - please dont go after my attitude, i am not in a position that needs total emotionless opinions and decisions. Libertas clearly cant handle it in my opinion. He base decisions on personal attacks. Seeing as he says 'u will not go above and beyond for my problems' lol. If i report someone its not for me. I am done with this guy at this point. it is just to help future customers. But he fail to see that. Because, im afraid, hes not as smart u think he is.
Please do something about it. Thanks in advance.
PS: i think many if not all problems can be solved if u fix ur morals.
I would love to understand why u would make a person take care of very personal information from a community whom totally dislikes him, but i guess i never will. Get some more inigos and scouts going pls. They might also be able to help with ur morals.
The ps is a little sharp as it seems if im not talking that way it gets ignored entirely. Im sure that way it gets noticed tho not answered. It might makes u think for a minute and thats all i want.
Cheers
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Please have a hard look into the actions of libertas (also the one where he got accused giving out very private information about a vendor (i believe it was drugsforcash or something like that) which sounded very dangerous to me. Here is the thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=188829.msg1367969;topicseen#msg1367969
Did you actually read through this thread? ???
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Knowing nothing of Hazebusta, there is an attitude present here that's very worrying, and it is what we believe is going to kill SR if anything does. It's the feeling that a lot of buyers have of being entitled. Many buyers who have been on here a while aren't like that, but more and more seem to be prancing around like the road owes them both a living and the high of their choice.
Buyers feel entitled to treat vendors like their personal servants, and apparently this demeanor extends to SR staff!
Vendors in particular are under no obligation to do ANYTHING for a buyer. We do not have to sell anything to you, we do not have to ship overnight, we do not have to include something for free, we do not have to put up with your bullshit. Take your business elsewhere if you don't like it.
The fact that this extends so far that SR Support felt so pressed that they felt the need to state "We are not your personal servants - respect is a two way street and a little goes a long way." really drives home to me that a lot of buyers here feel they are owed what ever drug they want by vendors on SR, or the SR staff if the vendors don't kowtow to the buyer's demands.
Sorry, b0m, but we have found SR staff to always be very reasonable, and if they reacted like this to you, well, need I say more?
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my opinion as a completely unbiased reader, is that you are out of line. I commend SR support for keeping professional all the way through (actually they did get snippy once :)). They endured many personal insults, and did not respond to them. They appeared to just state facts and address each of your concerns. You on the other hand, appeared to embellish figures, argue the same points over and over, even though they were proven wrong to begin with.
I know nothing about this vendor and have not read any of his threads, so I don't know why there seems to be such a difference between support and yourself, regarding you saying there's a lot of people that have been scammed and support saying they haven't been getting any reports of any scamming.
It seems you're very upset with this vendor and you believe SR Support should do certain things, they disagree with you. hehe, you also claim to have written them in the "heat of the moment" and seem to want us to believe that we should forgive you for the tone of your emails due to you being a little hot under the collar. Except with the number of emails back and forth, surely that had to been over days though, right? That would have given you plenty of time to cool down. ;D
Judge Judy rules for the Road
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Sorry but I agree with SR staff here.
I've also looked at the thread you posted that supposedly should contain "evidence of a scam" and even there people are telling you all the contrary and that they are not experiencing any of the issue you pointed out! Is this the "great proofs" you have on your support? I don't know if to laugh or cry out in desperation.
You got a bad transaction? Probably, but that DOESN'T mean that a seller is scamming you, and other people certainly not since I've searched the forums right and left and I got nothing about Hazebusta scamming other buyers.
I don't either know what you personally wrote to that vendor when you received that product you didn't like; judging from your temper in the above quoted messages to SR support you don't seem an individual that can handle a polite discussion with someone, so it can be completely the case that YOU attacked the vendor first without even giving him/her a chance to make up for a mistake just in case. As SR support said you respect is earned, not a given.
Then you seem to either attack here Libertas personally and I have to say that this is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. Even if Libertas was the admin that replied you it is NOT acceptable for you to bring his name here because this is a matter with SR support as a whole; it seems to me you are including here some personal diatribes or feelings that have NOTHING to do with the issue at hand. Moreover the thing with Libertas is going a little out of hand, seriously. Yes, s/he can have made some questionable move in the past but HE IS STILL AN SR ADMIN AND HE DESERVES THE RESPECT OF EVERYONE, and rightly so. You cannot treat him/her any worse than any other admin here just for personal motives, this is completely unacceptable. LIBERTAS IS AN ADMIN OF SR SO THREAT HIM/HER WITH THE RESPECT S/HE DESERVES, AS YOU WOULD DO WITH ANY OTHER ADMIN, DPR INCLUDED.
So, apart that it seems to me that you have no proof whatsoever this particular vendor is scamming and all the issue is about a transaction with him/her that didn't go well in your case, you are even pretending that SR admins should act on something on which you have no proof whatsoever plus projecting a personal issue with Libertas you seem to have that are completely out of the scope of the thing and completely unacceptable. You aren't entitled to anything and Libertas or any other SR admin deserves the respect people that work for the good of the community should have so, no matter what, your behavior was completely uncalled for (and it seems you either continue with it thinking you are right on doing this) and unacceptable.
The only thing I can say you is: recollect yourself and try to look at the issue objectively. All the "proofs" you seem to bring are only in your head and on what SR support should act if even in the thread you APPOSITELY MADE FOR THIS PEOPLE ARE TELLING YOU THAT YOU ARE WRONG? Where are all these people that got scammed if there's no either one single evidence of this? You said you received PM of people, but A) you cannot believe people just because they write a PM to you saying "this and this happened" just because you would like that it did; always CHECK if it is true or not and B) if the vendor was really scamming (as it has happened in the past) you would be able to find evidence in the forums, a thing is not happening here; so, again? where's all this "evidence" you talk about on which SR admins should act?
To me it seems that you just have a personal issue with Libertas and you are trying to bring him/her down with this thing, only that's not working... at all.
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Im sorry but u guys all missed the point here. I think this is just a little bit to high for most of you. I will now once answer everyone who wrote in this thread. After that i will not take my time anymore to answer nonsense like yours.
@ PinnacleGoods
Who is 'we'. Please specify if u talk for many people.
Buyers feel entitled to treat vendors like their personal servants, and apparently this demeanor extends to SR staff!
Vendors in particular are under no obligation to do ANYTHING for a buyer. We do not have to sell anything to you, we do not have to ship overnight, we do not have to include something for free, we do not have to put up with your bullshit. Take your business elsewhere if you don't like it.
Im not feeling anything like that. What i do feel tho is that i pay more money for the quality i get here. If a vendor advertises coffeeshop quality weed and takes a more than coffeeshop price for it, i guess i am entitled to get that instead of a bunch of leaves. U know i can get better quality from across the street for half the price. Thats plain scam. Same as when they advertise 99% cocaine and take the price for it but send out 49% stuff. Plain scam. If u dont understand that, pls dont answer to my threads. U are too dumb for me, im sorry. (Yes im mad. I hate people telling me i talk bullshit when infact every word THEY say is bullshit) dumb people tend to do that - point to someone else saying things about him when infact these things fit to them. They see themselves in this guy.
This guy gets my money and yes, so i can call him my personal servant. He offers a service here, doesnt he? I would love to know how it is to not be able to see that. Must be an easy life with not much going on in that brain.
Who do u think u r then as a vendor? Some kind of god we all have to bow down to who can do what ever he wants? U sir are NOTHING without a customer. Get that. In the morning it is YOU begging for customers. Only at the end of the day it is the customer who maybe want ur stuff. And if you are lying about ur stuff to get more sales then be prepared for a bad feedback. And dont threat the people then because that is not allowed and will get u banned (or in this case, just provide some more fakefeedbacks and we will cover ur ass for the fees u provide us with)
So a little hint for you personally as a vendor: Customer is King (thats not only an empty frase). If you are not thinking that way u r a bad vendor and will fail at the end of the day.
U ever read the SR Seller rules? Did u read that line 'go above and beyond for your customers'. What do u think does that mean? Happy u outed urself. Certainly not where i want to buy.
What do u say if u get scammed, and when u give a bad review u get a message him telling you 'u are not as anonymous to me as i am to you' ????
What is wrong with u that u cant understand that?? Besides i havent reported him for scamming. My bad review solved that. I reported him for threatening me! He got what he deserved (instead of a ban) i did not.
So u can take UR business elsewhere and keep ur crap for urself. It cost me 10 iq points....
@PoolPlaya
my opinion as a completely unbiased reader, is that you are out of line. I commend SR support for keeping professional all the way through (actually they did get snippy once :)). They endured many personal insults, and did not respond to them. They appeared to just state facts and address each of your concerns. You on the other hand, appeared to embellish figures, argue the same points over and over, even though they were proven wrong to begin with.
Yes i was out of line, as pointed out. I thought i explained myself pretty well? Do i have to repeat myself AGAIN? Okay here u go:
I raged because i reported this case to at least 2 different customer supporters and both promised to make sure the case gets looked into. After 2 weeks i figured he is still here and still scamming people while his stats continue to fall. I go to the forum to see another 2 hands full of people got scammed. People who should not have been scammed as this vendor should be deleted as soon as he threatened me. But just because the administration doesnt do anything many people got scammed since and many more will get scammed. The only obvious reason for that is because this guy gets in a lot of sales - means a lot of fees for sr. So who want to tell me there is nothing wrong with the moral the administration drives the boat with?
What were proven wrong to begin with? Nothing was proven wrong to begin with. What i can prove a lie is there are no reports about hazebusta scamming. Because i know for a fact there are. I can prove everything i claim but the fe fake part obviously. The reason why i point out things over and over is because they dont get them. But they are facts that have to be taken into consideration for building an opinion. They make decisions on the wrong facts. But just like everyone else u miss the point again.
Also the stated facts are plain wrong and i strongly believe a lie (it is not written by failure, they even try to defend him saying no reports came. But the guys who got scammed took their time to spam up their accounts to 50 to then report him in the forum also besides reporting them on the sr site. I mean i can tell he is a scammer with so small evidence. The customer support has access to so much more evidence and they cant? Straight out LIE.
Other cases like the one from brucecampbell is a joke to go after. But in the case of hazebusta it is needed urgently. That doesnt make sense to me. Why would they go after nonsense like the one brucecampbell did and not for serious things like the case with hazebusta. The only answer i see fit here is: GREED. Unnecessary greed (the ugliest greed ever). The fees will continue to grow as the sellers continue to get more. Means they are earning more anyway by the day. Then there is no need to fuck up ur karma by providing people like hazebusta a free licence to do what ever their fucked up mind is up to as long as he provides some sales to get him fees.
The only fact here that matters is that this guy threatened me in german language. from his seller acc to my buyer acc. The support can easily look that through, ask any german they want, and finally ban him. U know, because there are rules the vendor has to follow. And threat customers is forbidden. Obviously. Or not?
The only reason why im still after that is because people KEEP popping up (if u read the threads i provided) and say he is scamming them. Even people who bought 4-5 times before, fe'ing in good faith, get scammed and reporting him on the site and in the forums.
Everytime someone pops up i feel utter sorry for them because i have given the administrators enough stuff for him to get banned already. But this guy keeps scamming the poor fe'ers and pay the fake fe fees with that.
DPR thinks okay, he fakes his stats, i get money. But he fails to see that its not the vendors profit he is paying him with but the poor scammed guys, who wouldnt be scammed if they banned him when they should (at least i hope he fail to see it, but probably knows exactly that but dont give a fuck - speculations i know, but thats what it looks like to me.). Right after the threat against me.
Everyone who cant see this guy faking his stats must be blind. Every day u see 12 hours no feedback (when he sleeps obviously) and then the first hour tons of fe's start to flow in. Obviously a real feedback every now and then. but i bet more than 50% of his stats are fake.
For dumb people it looks like its hazebustas fault and all the hate gets directed to him, but smart people will think more and come to the conclusion that its the administrators fault for not acting when they should! And a threat from a vendor is up there with the most important rules they have to follow. and thats when the administrators SHOULD act. Or am i wrong? Explain where im wrong here, i fail to see it.
You are right, they endured many personal insults, u on the other hand let them blind u entirely. U missed all the facts and points given by me and just acted as a fanboy. Honestly
What if this guy really is selling as much as it looks and has money enough to just get a letterbomb there and people die from it? Because the administrators blatantly ignoring the reports? Just for a few more bitcoins? Everyone who encourage this is a rat in my opinion and should go where they belong.
I was upset with the vendor yes. Thats why he got a bad review from me. That was it for me. I wasnt even gonna give him the second bad fakeback. Not worth my time. It all escalated when he threatened me (yer i know i keep pointing that out, but just like that last time i repeated myself i had to because the guys failed to understand)
@BlackIris
You got a bad transaction? Probably, but that DOESN'T mean that a seller is scamming you, and other people certainly not since I've searched the forums right and left and I got nothing about Hazebusta scamming other buyers.
I wouldnt hire u as a researcher...
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=142196.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=170851.0
By the way, what did u find when u searched for 'hazebusta'??? There is not a single positive word directed to him when i search for him. Only those 2-3 fake feedbacks of himself.
But just like the others - failed to see the point. The guy threatened me (repeating since u all fail to see it). Got reported by me 3 times. 3 different moderators posted this case to administrators. And he is still here scamming people as u can see in his feedback. His rates continue to fall while his 5/5 fe's continue to raise. For the dumb people im poiting out what that means: he keeps getting so much bad feedback that all his 5/5s cant even help to keep his stats up.
Nobody deserves respect for a position. He deserves respect when he does something right. But i can barely see anything he does right other than spreading bad vibez.
Im dont have a personal problem with libertas at all. Why would u think that? Again u fail to see the point. U may want to have a look at his karma points. Its not only me that dislikes him but the majority of the community. U know the community he now takes care for their personal infos. Which in a case, in a thread i posted before, were claimed to be given out. The vendor/scammer/whatever has no reason to lie there. Put all the raging and scamming shit aside and extract the facts from the conversation and u will not find libertas tergiversate but childishly giving out another personal information he gained through to his admin privileges saying 'u wrote penis in the captcha form, how mature' (how mature was THIS move then?)
U should recollect urself and look at the issue objectively. Because all U do is going after my raging comments and try to make me look bad saying things like' u are mad because u got scammed' - which is CLEARLY not the case. The scamming part is far behind this hole story here.
I please the next one who want to write against my issue here to provide all the facts given by me and by libertas. What he thinks are the facts given by both. Objectively. Without any considerations of any rage or whatever. Make a list. I will then addup or adddown that list if needed so u can fully understand what is the problem here.
Im pretty much sure i win the moral part of that story.
To keep it clean: i have NOT a personal problem with libertas. My problem is the way he handles things and spreads bad vibez. Since he is here and scout is gone the entire attitude in the forum changed. NOT for good. Add that and all the bad actions done by libertas and u have the wrong person in the right position.
I had the feeling since libertas showed up. Proven the first time i had to do with him in a report issue. Its very bad attitude to tell people to read the wiki when infact they read it more times than him but he fails to see it. I would like to suggest he should go and read some basic school books. Thats where he can learn a thing or two about morals.
This is a case where sr acts against its own rules just for a few more bitcoins. That is the big point here. Not someone scamming me, someone threat me or whatever. That is just the story to it.
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SR Support:
... ... If he was padding his feedback, he would be suspended without warning.
~SR Support
Damn thats some fucking BULLSHIT lying right there if I ever heard it! LOL Like you done all those other times with your star $$ makers..
One solution is to have ZERO faith in SR support. I stopped thinking they gave a fuck and I'm a more cautious buyer now. Pretty mush same goes for Forum mods. :-(
OFF TOPTIC:
PS your English is fine. I'm constantly amazed by how many know English and how well you all speak it even when you don't think you do. Give yourself some credit, it this site was in another language there wouldn't be an American or Brit to be seen. Not this Yank thats for sure and I've tried, and I'm a 1st Gen immigrant surrounded by family who speak little to no english, so all you guys/girls, hats off to ya! :-)
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SR Staff are not going to just ban someone based on one person perception, opinion, or experience, unless there is hard evidence of a scam, or something that otherwise breaks the rules. I mean, if they just quickly executed bans on vendors based on fingers being pointed, a good deal of legitimate vendors would be very upset.
And this would give the impression that SR Admins themselves were scammers and/or thieves.
These are professional people who make very measured decisions. Let it be.
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SR Support:
... ... If he was padding his feedback, he would be suspended without warning.
~SR Support
Damn thats some fucking BULLSHIT lying right there if I ever heard it! LOL Like you done all those other times with your star $$ makers..
One solution is to have ZERO faith in SR support. I stopped thinking they gave a fuck and I'm a more cautious buyer now. Pretty mush same goes for Forum mods. :-(
OFF TOPTIC:
PS your English is fine. I'm constantly amazed by how many know English and how well you all speak it even when you don't think you do. Give yourself some credit, it this site was in another language there wouldn't be an American or Brit to be seen. Not this Yank thats for sure and I've tried, and I'm a 1st Gen immigrant surrounded by family who speak little to no english, so all you guys/girls, hats off to ya! :-)
after re-reading the whole thing I have to admit that you only hurt yourself with the anger part. I'm only saying this as someone who does the same thing, and I would've been very frustrated just as you were and probably would've been even harsher but stepping back I know that never helps. As soon as you(me, anyone) respond like that it starts to close the door to any decent dialog. Not to mention I personally feel like a dick and weak when I let that part of me get in the way of resolving something or just react with anger, even when there is a reason for one to be angry.
anyway, I hope all works out and I hope you realize I am not calling you out or anything of the sort. I meant every word in the PM I sent you about the subject. I just know how far I get when I let the anger dictate my reactions. All the best and be safe
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I often see people raging that SR will ignore scams by popular vendors because they get commission from the sales, this is a retarded concept because if a vendor is banned the buyers will just go to another vendor and SR still gets it's commissions. No vendor gets special treatment because they sell more than another vendor, in fact a few of the biggest vendors are quite vocal in complaining that their ideas and suggestions are ignored by admin.
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I wouldnt hire u as a researcher...
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=142196.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=170851.0
No. It's more that I would never consider those as proofs as you do, and for this I didn't even minimally consider those.
When you have 1 or 2 people out of a lot of transactions, and those posts are from newbies and out of FE (so you have only the word of the OP that this is what it really happened) you could consider those as "evidence" only if you WANT them to be evidence because you lack something more substantial.
By the way, what did u find when u searched for 'hazebusta'??? There is not a single positive word directed to him when i search for him. Only those 2-3 fake feedbacks of himself.
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You got positive feedback on the vendor even in the thread that you created appositely to bring him down.
But just like the others - failed to see the point. The guy threatened me (repeating since u all fail to see it). Got reported by me 3 times. 3 different moderators posted this case to administrators. And he is still here scamming people as u can see in his feedback. His rates continue to fall while his 5/5 fe's continue to raise. For the dumb people im poiting out what that means: he keeps getting so much bad feedback that all his 5/5s cant even help to keep his stats up.
A) I failed to see the vendor was threatening you because I cannot know what happened and how you approached the thing with him, since only you and the vendor knows what really happened there. Given how you have treated an SR admin above I highly doubt that you approached the vendor gently at first when you got a product you didn't like (or better: not *I* doubt this, it is what a SR admin can think judging the way you approached the issue there; even this didn't play in your favor, can you understand this?). Then what kind of proof you have of the vendor threatening you? Because also this makes a lot of difference, you know. Your word is NOT enough, and not because of you, nobody's word is enough in these cases.
B) Moderators here post cases up to the chain if there is word of a possible scam, but they don't judge the proofs to see if the scam is really there or not. They simply pass a rumor up, but it is just a rumor until it's not proven. They are the SR admin that review the case and establish if the rumor is just a rumor or a fact. A moderator posting a case is proof of nothing because moderators here CANNOT know what's the truth of the matter, they can just pass the matter to an administrator for them to judge if the thing has some value or not.
C) You insist with this: "they keep falling" when it's not so and you have being told it already 3 times by the same admins. You insist that they keep falling just because the numbers after the "." go down even after all the 5/5 received. I'm sorry for you but if people really were scammed the feedback would go down, but for real; no matter if buyers have to FE, when they will not receive the order or the order will not be what they bought they would update the feedback and then you will not have just a little decrease in the decimals but it will have an huge impact in the vendor score. You cannot really pretend that a vendor that has 98 score is scamming, no matter the FE, because it is NOT possible. Or it is a selective scam (and this can be possible but you would need proof of this, a thing you don't have, neither in this case) or the score will go down at a point if the scam was there, no matter what.
Nobody deserves respect for a position.
On the contrary it does. An admin is a member of the staff on the site you joined and which rules you did abide to when you became a member of the community. If you don't want to respect the owner(s) of the community you WILLINGLY decided to join, then why did you join to begin with? To adhere to a site the staff of which you don't like or respect?
Im dont have a personal problem with libertas at all. Why would u think that?
Because you brought his/her name here when there was no motivation to do so at all.
Its not only me that dislikes him but the majority of the community. U know the community he now takes care for their personal infos. Which in a case, in a thread i posted before, were claimed to be given out. The vendor/scammer/whatever has no reason to lie there. Put all the raging and scamming shit aside and extract the facts from the conversation and u will not find libertas tergiversate but childishly giving out another personal information he gained through to his admin privileges saying 'u wrote penis in the captcha form, how mature' (how mature was THIS move then?)
Again, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. What happened with Libertas in other situations have NOTHING to do with this thing, unless, naturally, this thing has in itself to do with Libertas for personal motives, that it's what I was saying.
U should recollect urself and look at the issue objectively.
I did, and just because I did I said what I said.
SR admins MUST have proofs before banning a vendor, a proof you have not provided. The "evidence" you talk about is not enough because it is not substantial. I've watched all your threads about the issue but I, myself, could not see where the proof was and if I was a SR admin I would have done exactly the same as them. Provide some more substantial proof and then probably a SR admin will act; what you did provide till now is NOT enough and you seem to not comprehend it. What you call "proof" is mostly circumstantial evidence, but that's not enough to ban or demote a vendor, you need some empirical proof. For example: you say the vendor threatened you; what proof you have of this? The vendor said so in a PM? How did it go?
Moreover you continue to bring here the issue with Libertas even if it has nothing to do with this point. By doing this it can seem you have a personal grudge with him/her in particular and try to use what's happening here to bring him/her down somewhat. This is what I said because this is what I saw. If you would be able to go beyond yourself on this and would be able to look at the thing as an outsider with no bias would, you would be able to see what I'm saying to and understand why I wrote what I did.
I always found your posts elsewhere to the point and good, but in this particular issue imo you are projecting a little too much your personal diatribe with Libertas even if probably you cannot see it.
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holy fuck go write a book or something. no1 is going 2 read ur 10 page answers.
and just 4 the record chronicpain is the best mod in the world and libertas is a close 2nd.
u cant go flamming a kick ass member of the community
-go write a book on global warming so we dont need 2 keep seeing 50 page threads about ...................................... nothing ............ how can some1 type so much and say so little????????? did u take classes 2 do that or was it natural?
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after re-reading the whole thing I have to admit that you only hurt yourself with the anger part. I'm only saying this as someone who does the same thing, and I would've been very frustrated just as you were and probably would've been even harsher but stepping back I know that never helps. As soon as you(me, anyone) respond like that it starts to close the door to any decent dialog. Not to mention I personally feel like a dick and weak when I let that part of me get in the way of resolving something or just react with anger, even when there is a reason for one to be angry.
anyway, I hope all works out and I hope you realize I am not calling you out or anything of the sort. I meant every word in the PM I sent you about the subject. I just know how far I get when I let the anger dictate my reactions. All the best and be safe
Im not hurting myself with the anger part. And i didnt let the anger dictate my reactions. I just let the anger out with a few raging words but still staying objectively on the matter. What the former sr support did do in such situations is to try and calm the person to then gather more objectively informations without so much raging. And guess what - it worked well!
But this guy seems to let comments like that influence his decisions and even goes after them. that is just bad for a customer support. Never happened like that before in my book. the last customer support got kicked for having morals and keep trying to clear up things like that. Pretty ugly reason for a guy that lead the community so well. I feel for him!
Libertas got where he is for not having those morals in my opinion. Pretty ugly reason for the promotion and definitely the wrong in my opinion.
When you have 1 or 2 people out of a lot of transactions, and those posts are from newbies and out of FE (so you have only the word of the OP that this is what it really happened) you could consider those as "evidence" only if you WANT them to be evidence because you lack something more substantial.
Yawn. He keeps getting scam feedback: (some advertisement for the good vendor) http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/35cc00720d/
U cant consider that proof? Man come out of ur dreamworld and stop writing in my thread. ur plain stupid.
You got positive feedback on the vendor even in the thread that you created appositely to bring him down.
Haha. U cant take 2 handful of people who write in the forum thread 'to bring him down(lmao)', and HUNDREDS of scam feedback on the main site, as a proof, but u can take ONE guys (fake)feedback out of the thread as a proof that he is a flawless vendor and i am just trying to bring him down? Whom are u trying to fool? U either hazebusta himself, sr staff or a really ugly sr fanboy.
I failed to see the vendor was threatening you because I cannot know what happened and how you approached the thing with him, since only you and the vendor knows what really happened there.
Not only me and the vendor. But also at least 3 costumer supporters and at least one administrator (got told by all three supporters the same clear evidence)
Given how you have treated an SR admin above I highly doubt that you approached the vendor gently at first when you got a product you didn't like (or better: not *I* doubt this, it is what a SR admin can think judging the way you approached the issue there; even this didn't play in your favor, can you understand this?).
Oh im sorry i have to get u out of ur dreamworld again. I am someone who is always VERY nice. Even nicer than i should sometimes. Also in this case. But the vendor was so super unfriendly, like stated in the thread. I made a really big message explaining why im upset and literally begging him to make it good somehow so i dont have to give out my first bad feedback. But all he said was he has no time for problems like mine? Well okay, so he gets what he deserves - a bad feedback. With me being highly upset the first time on SR after more than 40 packages. I even got the worst weed u can imagine at one point (very bad grown) but i still gave out the 5/5 because the vendor was still very nice.
It is a hard task for a vendor to get me to give a bad feedback. While maintaining flawless stats myself.
And the rage towards the sr support started (like stated) 2 weeks after the last time i had reported him. I have very objectively and with no signs of rage, reported him to three different customer supports who all said they will make sure it will get looked into. Even mods from the forum made sure of that if u couldnt figure from the threads i posted.
The proof is there! That is the problem i cant understand. Nothing happens while the proof is there for everyone to see. So sad...
By the way - all those messages from me and customer support were on one day. and it was all from the same customer support which almost always INSTANTLY answered. He took this personal.
Hazebustas stats are not falling? When i bought he had 98,6%. When i gave him two times 1/5 his stats were still 98.6 (so it needs a whole lot more to even get his stats 0.1% down) 2 Weeks after my last report (when the conversation started) he had only 97.6%. Now he has 96.4%. Everything while u keep seeing tons of fe's coming in every day after a 12 hour (sleeping) break. Haha. So me with such little information can clearly tell the guy is scamming. The LEAST they should do is to take his FE ability away after so many fe's not coming in. But they just dont care as long as the money is coming in. So so sad.
My proof is not substantial? A simple THREAT from the vendor in a PM (not privnote) its still there in my pm box, saying 'u r not as anonymous to me as i am to u, understand?' means he will go after my address to do what ever his sick mind is up to. It is more than substantial. Its all that is needed to be found guilty.
Its not that the customer will go to someone else and they will still get the fees if the customer is hazebusta himself faking his stats to have more time to scam. It is definitely some money he pumps into these fakes and i think thats what sr is after. I wouldnt even mind if that was a nice and good vendor pumping his stats, i would understand sr dont mind. But helping such a scammer is just plain scam and corruption in itself. At the end of the day sr staff is helping him scam the poor guys here..... That is what makes me so sad and got ME out of my dreamworld about the perfect blackmarket with perfect attitude and perfect reliability from the administrators, specially DPR. But look at this story. for a few fake feedback coins he get he doesnt care about the safety of a long time loyal sr customer with absolutely flawless stats, and goes corrupt. No, he goes after the few cents from this scamming vendor (with constantly falling stats even after rising fe sales) who threats his customers for leaving bad feedback.
At the end of the day its DPR himself who is responsible for every single scam from hazebusta after my report. Because that was the point where he SHOULD have banned him. No matter what. Congratulations.
Customers might want to ask DPR for a refund. He literally owes it to them.
Everyone who still says his stats are not falling: come out of ur dreamworld and realize whats happening here.
now to benzoking. usually i dont even get in contact with revolution breaks like u (i think all of your sorts should just be ignored) but just to blow u away:
first u write:
holy fuck go write a book or something. no1 is going 2 read ur 10 page answers.
That indicates u havent read what i wrote, right?
How can u then go on and say:
how can some1 type so much and say so little?????????
Which indicates u have read what i wrote and can so judge that there is so little said?
Whats wrong with ur broken mind? Back in ur hole