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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: sjw on July 02, 2013, 12:03 am
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where is the best place apart from here to post about this vendor doing this, i would not mind but they aint even got a 150 sales behind them wtf someone guide me please i need to warn others, this is not a way to go. just cause i would not agree to fe, and the fucking comms is diabolical, iv spent over 200 btc in here over a year not alot but god damn it this aint right.!!!!
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daz mess
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I just moaned about a vendor blacklisting me too. This is not on right wtf is happening....
I WANT A FEEDBACK OPTION FOR BUYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
YES DPR IM SHOUTING ABOUT IT, THEY GOT ALL THE BENEFITS AND CAN DECIDE IF YOU CAN DO BUSINESS BY THERE UNJUST FEEDBACK.......
WHY THE FUCK CANT I LEAVE FEED BACK ON A BUYER?.
IT WORKS ON OTHER SITES WHY NOT HERE?.
Sorry for caps but does anyone here listen or watch this area from SR ADMIN/SUPPORT.
If you are reading respond, Please.
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You haven't explained what happened to get you "blacklisted" I honestly cant see SR admin 'blacklisting' you fro NOT FEing!
btw, from what I know, the 'blacklist' is just the list vendors put customers THEY dont like, but many vendors will take you at 'face value' if you pm then before ordering and saying 'hello' :) IF you do have good stats, there's no reason for them not to give you a chance ...escrow works for us ALL!
It's difficult to point you at the right part of the forum, I'd go to the index page and see if it seems to 'fit' in one of the topics
Go to the vendors thread in The Rumor Mill and gently make your point there ... mistakes happen and MOST vendors will do their best to fix them
And if you have no joy there, you can always pm SR High command and ask them to reconsider the facts ... they're usually pretty fair
All the best ;)
motek
P.s. Dutch, what are your talking about bro, I cant quite understand ... you CAN leave feedback UNLESS you FE .. ??? Let us know what happened and we'll try to help :D
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I just moaned about a vendor blacklisting me too. This is not on right wtf is happening....
I WANT A FEEDBACK OPTION FOR BUYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
YES DPR IM SHOUTING ABOUT IT, THEY GOT ALL THE BENEFITS AND CAN DECIDE IF YOU CAN DO BUSINESS BY THERE UNJUST FEEDBACK.......
WHY THE FUCK CANT I LEAVE FEED BACK ON A BUYER?.
IT WORKS ON OTHER SITES WHY NOT HERE?.
Sorry for caps but does anyone here listen or watch this area from SR ADMIN/SUPPORT.
If you are reading respond, Please.
AMEN.
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I just moaned about a vendor blacklisting me too. This is not on right wtf is happening....
I WANT A FEEDBACK OPTION FOR BUYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
YES DPR IM SHOUTING ABOUT IT, THEY GOT ALL THE BENEFITS AND CAN DECIDE IF YOU CAN DO BUSINESS BY THERE UNJUST FEEDBACK.......
WHY THE FUCK CANT I LEAVE FEED BACK ON A BUYER?.
IT WORKS ON OTHER SITES WHY NOT HERE?.
Sorry for caps but does anyone here listen or watch this area from SR ADMIN/SUPPORT.
If you are reading respond, Please.
Feedback on a buyer is what the roundtable and the forums are for. You don't have to do business with them.
Feedback for vendors is what the forums and the product feedback on the vendors' page are for.
Little confused....
((and fyi-all caps does not make anyone want to read what you have to say more..it does quite the opposite for me))
And OP, post the communication.
I'm a bit confused as to your predicament.
((and motek pretty much beat me but I'm posting this anyway to basically second what he said))
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its the same old same old.you didnt pay to join the vendors ****** fee? wow.
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how come so many bad vendors are allowed to operate on here.why dont they care if a scam vendor buys another account and does it all again even tho its reported to be the same scam and same vendor?guess they must be busy.
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You are not on the blacklist, you are on the irresponsible buyer list. The vendor is annoyed that you did not read his policies about FE and that you canceled the order because you did not agree to the rules you should have read.
I don't require FE but I am constantly dealing with people who don't read my policies before ordering and it is a major pain in the ass.
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i have yet to make my first purchase on SR, but when I see something I might be interested in the first thing i do is look at the vendor's polices
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Just so we all know, how do you write to the "SR High command" if you have a problem such as the one the fellow who started this thread had? If a buyer has a problem with a bad vendor, can that vendor blacklist the buyer? Supposing a vendor is mad if you write a truthful review and give only 1 star. Can he blacklist you through the 'vendors roundtable'? I ask because I have had my first bad experience with a vendor and if he doesn't straighten out our deal I will of course leave him a one star review and explain what happened. If a vendor can get you on a blacklist that would discourage people from writing honest (bad) reviews. Does anyone know the procedure which the vendors roundtable goes through before a buyer is blacklisted?
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Unfortunately some vendors "policies" are confusing, or sometimes makes no sense!
This makes things tricky ... if you are confused the best thing to do is pm them, AND put a heading on the pm, it makes it stand out from all the other! ;)
vendors who respond quickly to pm's re doing deals get my respect, and the vendors who make it so easy to work with them, I will do almost anything! 8)
However I can understand the frustrations of vendors with folks who look at their "policies" and juts think "TL:DR" and go on to FE with some scammer or who knows what! ::)
Hey Tell. howzitgoin matey everything going ok? I cant say I've read your policies, but I'll make a note to do so, take it easy broo ;) 8)
mmmmm motek 8)
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You are not on the blacklist, you are on the irresponsible buyer list. The vendor is annoyed that you did not read his policies about FE and that you canceled the order because you did not agree to the rules you should have read.
I don't require FE but I am constantly dealing with people who don't read my policies before ordering and it is a major pain in the ass.
how do you knows this?care to explain?
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roundtable?whats this?
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You are not on the blacklist, you are on the irresponsible buyer list. The vendor is annoyed that you did not read his policies about FE and that you canceled the order because you did not agree to the rules you should have read.
I don't require FE but I am constantly dealing with people who don't read my policies before ordering and it is a major pain in the ass.
how do you knows this?care to explain?
Heya whistleblower dude, I'm not sure why you are saying such shit,, maybe you're just stoned off your face, But you're being rude while asking some pretty dumb questions! :o
Either that OR you ARE some aspect of LE and as such I ask you to either contribute or GTFO ... in fact maybe just GTFO, as after looking through your last 5o odd posts, where you either say SFA or 'act like' you are knowledgeable about various SR matters .... gee you MUST have spent a LOT of time here AND YET you ask such dumb shit ...
you dont 'make sense' ... maybe it's time you do, or we'll add you to "The known LE list" as well
After all, These forums are not for the people who write TL:DR at the end of a 3 paragraph comment! :o
You will get out of them what YOU PUT IN, so stop being so slack and start spemding some time being useful to other members,
WANYPA bro, or your personal researchers, learn to UTFSE before posting 'off topic' and useless 'waffling'
People who disrupt working threads with off topic bullshit REALLY toddles my pip :o
Motek does NOT trust this person .... no 'specific reasons' but just check out his 130+ posts he's made since joining on the 12/6/13!
Just motek's Hmmmmmm m m m motek :-\
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You are not on the blacklist, you are on the irresponsible buyer list. The vendor is annoyed that you did not read his policies about FE and that you canceled the order because you did not agree to the rules you should have read.
I don't require FE but I am constantly dealing with people who don't read my policies before ordering and it is a major pain in the ass.
how do you knows this?care to explain?
Because I can read it.
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You are not on the blacklist, you are on the irresponsible buyer list. The vendor is annoyed that you did not read his policies about FE and that you canceled the order because you did not agree to the rules you should have read.
I don't require FE but I am constantly dealing with people who don't read my policies before ordering and it is a major pain in the ass.
how do you knows this?care to explain?
Because I can read it.
at the table;D
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just make a new account
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I just want to clarify that the Vendor Blacklist in the Vendor Roundtable is an informal list kept amongst vendors; it has no official standing on the site, nor is it supported by Silk Road.
Vendors are free to keep such informal lists amongst themselves (as buyers are - and do - in the Rumor Mill) as long as they do not reveal a buyer's personal information.
Libertas
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sorry for late response, i dont care about the loss of order ect the fact is i ended up on there cause i refused to FE which DPR reccommends a no no.
So im on a list and if i wanted something in the future and somevendor says no your on blacklist..
Then what wait till hell freezes over?. I know its an open market and i left him the feedback he rightly deserves about 20 lines of text on the idiot.
Not a fair practice at all. I have been a member 3 times longer than the vendor. Ahh well i guess this is what will happen when the floodgates are open to all and sundrie to start vending, makes me wonder how old he actually is in the first instance, talked to me like one responded to me like one too. (14) I would guess.
Ahh well next time il go with the quality vendors not these 2 bit penny punching newbs, springing up all over the place.
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Its not all bad i forgot to say i just won a free gram by a vendor good stuff to. some sort of comp or something along winning something lol i dont know but damn free hash beat that!. :)
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I just want to clarify that the Vendor Blacklist in the Vendor Roundtable is an informal list kept amongst vendors; it has no official standing on the site, nor is it supported by Silk Road.
Vendors are free to keep such informal lists amongst themselves (as buyers are - and do - in the Rumor Mill) as long as they do not reveal a buyer's personal information.
Libertas
ok so we can keep lists? & i can apply for membership too ;)
thanks
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I just want to clarify that the Vendor Blacklist in the Vendor Roundtable is an informal list kept amongst vendors; it has no official standing on the site, nor is it supported by Silk Road.
Vendors are free to keep such informal lists amongst themselves (as buyers are - and do - in the Rumor Mill) as long as they do not reveal a buyer's personal information.
Libertas
ok so we can keep lists? & i can apply for membership too ;)
thanks
Public and private lists of usernames that you do not wish to deal with can be kept, yes. Public and private lists of personal details cannot be kept under any circumstances. Any vendor that meets the requirements can apply for access to the Vendor Roundtable.
Libertas
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Hi Libertas. Ok, so vendors can keep a list of buyers who have been troublesome, essentially a 'blacklist', informal as it might be. So supposing that you buy from a vendor and find that the quality of the stuff that yoo bought is very poor and was misrepresented in the listing. After messaging the vendor to discuss this (before leaving a review) you get a hostile and unprofessional response and discover that the vendor is (not to put to fine a point on it) an asshole. You can't come to an agreement with such a person so you take the loss and leave a 1 point review, summing up your experience with the vendor and the quality of the product. So the vendor, in retaliation, tries to get you blacklisted in the vendor's 'roundtable'. How does the roundtable check out the vendor's claim that the buyer is an asshole? In other words, is there some process by which the roundtable checks out the vendor's claim that the buyer should be blacklisted? If a vendor can blacklist you in retaliation for leaving a bad review that would totally screw up the whole purpose of leaving reviews. Buyers would be afraid to leave honest reviews if they risk getting blacklisted.
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Hi Libertas. Ok, so vendors can keep a list of buyers who have been troublesome, essentially a 'blacklist', informal as it might be. So supposing that you buy from a vendor and find that the quality of the stuff that yoo bought is very poor and was misrepresented in the listing. After messaging the vendor to discuss this (before leaving a review) you get a hostile and unprofessional response and discover that the vendor is (not to put to fine a point on it) an asshole. You can't come to an agreement with such a person so you take the loss and leave a 1 point review, summing up your experience with the vendor and the quality of the product. So the vendor, in retaliation, tries to get you blacklisted in the vendor's 'roundtable'. How does the roundtable check out the vendor's claim that the buyer is an asshole? In other words, is there some process by which the roundtable checks out the vendor's claim that the buyer should be blacklisted? If a vendor can blacklist you in retaliation for leaving a bad review that would totally screw up the whole purpose of leaving reviews. Buyers would be afraid to leave honest reviews if they risk getting blacklisted.
The Roundtable is just another forum where vendors can converse about things that concern vendors without buyers derailing threads etc. They are entitled to free speech just as you and I are here, and they are permitted to keep a list of "unsatisfacroty buyers" just as folks here keep lists of "unsatisfactory vendors". Nobody approves a thread that a buyer starts stating that they have had a bad experience with a vendor, and the same is true for a situation regarding a bad experience that a vendor has with a buyer.
As I said, it is an informal list and is not sanctioned nor supported by Silk Road. Not every vendor checks the list, and not every vendor that does check the list uses it. It's similar to a "Rumor mill" section, and any buyer is free to start a thread there listing any vendors that are threatening to add them to the informal vendor blacklist them unless they leave good feedback. In fact, such a thread might be a good way to balance such things out.
Libertas
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<<As I said, it is an informal list and is not sanctioned nor supported by Silk Road. Not every vendor checks the list, and not every vendor that does check the list uses it. It's similar to a "Rumor mill" section, and any buyer is free to start a thread there listing any vendors that are threatening to add them to the informal vendor blacklist them unless they leave good feedback. In fact, such a thread might be a good way to balance such things out.>>
"and any buyer is free to start a thread there". I am not clear on where you mean? Where is this thread where a buyer is free to start a thread?
Thanks, Orpheus
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<<As I said, it is an informal list and is not sanctioned nor supported by Silk Road. Not every vendor checks the list, and not every vendor that does check the list uses it. It's similar to a "Rumor mill" section, and any buyer is free to start a thread there listing any vendors that are threatening to add them to the informal vendor blacklist them unless they leave good feedback. In fact, such a thread might be a good way to balance such things out.>>
"and any buyer is free to start a thread there". I am not clear on where you mean? Where is this thread where a buyer is free to start a thread?
Thanks, Orpheus
Sorry, I should have been more clear; I was talking about the Rumor Mill:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?board=7.0
Libertas
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Most of this forum is buyers posting opinions on vendors, include complaining about behavior that they don't like. Vendors also talk about buyers and complain about behavior they don't like.
The posting about sjw is not an automatic exclusion or ban. It simply says that this buyer did not read the policies and had to cancel because of that. Other vendors can decide what they want to do with this information.
This is not different than when a buyer comes here to complain about how a seller did this or that. The threads that list problem buyers(there are a few) are not scarlet letters than bar you from future buys, they are just critisisms that other vendors can read and act on as they see fit.
The forums are here so that we can share our opinion of each other with other buyers and sellers.
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This is not different than when a buyer comes here to complain about how a seller did this or that. The threads that list problem buyers(there are a few) are not scarlet letters than bar you from future buys, they are just critisisms that other vendors can read and act on as they see fit.
There is one difference. A buyer cannot see or comment on the accusations made in the private vendor forum. A vendor always has a chance to offer their side in the Rumor Mill.
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Royalblue, what you have written is absolutely true. You've hit nail on the head. So if you have an unpleasant experience with a vendor and leave a bad review, and the vendor is a total asshole (there are not many, but there are a few), he/she can make you out to be a 'problem' buyer. That is a flaw in the system and I'm not sure how it can be remedied. I remember there was a similar problem on ebay where buyers were reluctant to leave honest but bad reviews because the vendor in question could retaliate by leaving a bad review of the buyer. I think this was ultimately remedied though I cannot remember the details. In any case, you've articulated the problem very well.
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This is not different than when a buyer comes here to complain about how a seller did this or that. The threads that list problem buyers(there are a few) are not scarlet letters than bar you from future buys, they are just critisisms that other vendors can read and act on as they see fit.
There is one difference. A buyer cannot see or comment on the accusations made in the private vendor forum. A vendor always has a chance to offer their side in the Rumor Mill.
You make a good point.
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This is not different than when a buyer comes here to complain about how a seller did this or that. The threads that list problem buyers(there are a few) are not scarlet letters than bar you from future buys, they are just critisisms that other vendors can read and act on as they see fit.
There is one difference. A buyer cannot see or comment on the accusations made in the private vendor forum. A vendor always has a chance to offer their side in the Rumor Mill.
You make a good point.
a very good point and it aint a free market either which is really sad. :( oh well fuk it how do I get in ;D
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I'm having a problem now with a vendor. Anyway...it will get resolved but I do have a solution for SR. Whomever is mentioned in vendor forums should be entitled to an email of that portion of the discussion. Then, there can be a topic in "Rumor Mill" that is on the subject of "Vendor Blackmail".
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I'm having a problem now with a vendor. Anyway...it will get resolved but I do have a solution for SR. Whomever is mentioned in vendor forums should be entitled to an email of that portion of the discussion. Then, there can be a topic in "Rumor Mill" that is on the subject of "Vendor Blackmail".
hear hear ;D
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<<I'm having a problem now with a vendor. Anyway...it will get resolved but I do have a solution for SR. Whomever is mentioned in vendor forums should be entitled to an email of that portion of the discussion. Then, there can be a topic in "Rumor Mill" that is on the subject of "Vendor Blackmail".>>
Hi Gwendolyn, Brilliant idea! I have been having trouble with a vendor also. I hate to imagine what this vendor is representing me as on the 'vendor roundtable' as there is no means by which the other vendors can know the other side of the argument. The vendor in question "KingoftheTrill" posted a portion of our private messaging online and called it 'unedited', so I posted the true, complete unedited discussion we had which made it plainly obvious to everyone that this vendor was out of order. But there is no way to do that in the 'vendors roundtable'. So, essentially, a rogue vendor can ruin the reputation of a buyer without the buyer even knowing about it. That certainly will make buyers reluctant to give truthful feedback in the comments section because of fear that the vendor will have them blacklisted for their bad reviews.
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How are buyers to deal with vendors who insult you and then threaten revenge if you leave them a bad review? Take for example this excerpt from a message from KingoftheTrill who I had the misfortune of ordering cocaine from which I felt was misrepresented:
"actually I bet your dick wasn't as shriveled up in the seventies and you actually a life worth living...I will ruin your rep on the forums too. Not Best you litte btich, Trill"
Now I think potential buyers should be warned about vendors like this, but when a buyer is threatened with having their reputation 'ruined' in the private vendor's roundtable, what can a buyer do to protect his reputation? If the buyer is cowed by this misbehavior on the part of a vendor it will ruin the value of the whole feedback system. Something should be done to figure out what should be done about this.
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How are buyers to deal with vendors who insult you and then threaten revenge if you leave them a bad review? Take for example this excerpt from a message from KingoftheTrill who I had the misfortune of ordering cocaine from which I felt was misrepresented:
"actually I bet your dick wasn't as shriveled up in the seventies and you actually a life worth living...I will ruin your rep on the forums too. Not Best you litte btich, Trill"
Now I think potential buyers should be warned about vendors like this, but when a buyer is threatened with having their reputation 'ruined' in the private vendor's roundtable, what can a buyer do to protect his reputation? If the buyer is cowed by this misbehavior on the part of a vendor it will ruin the value of the whole feedback system. Something should be done to figure out what should be done about this.
nothing
this isnt a buyers market . :o
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and just cant believe this , the vendor who blacklisted me, calls me a little junkie bastard and sends the goods anyway which btw were useless SO I WOULD HAVE WENT TO RESOLUTION ANYWAYS TO GET MY MONEY BACK, what a tool. and i don't take many of these, i just have em for my neck spasms that happens every so often what a fucking tool