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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: BeepBeepImAJeep on June 06, 2013, 08:05 pm
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So I messaged a top 1% vendor about a custom $1000 order, and he told me to remind him to set up a custom listing the next day. I reminded him the next day, he saw the message but didn't reply. I reminded him again the day after that and then he replied "I think it's better you send the coins to my account and give me your address". He wanted me to just send the money directly to his account, isn't this shady as fuck? Which is very weird considering he's top 1%.
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So I messaged a top 1% vendor about a custom $1000 order, and he told me to remind him to set up a custom listing the next day. I reminded him the next day, he saw the message but didn't reply. I reminded him again the day after that and then he replied "I think it's better you send the coins to my account and give me your address". He wanted me to just send the money directly to his account, isn't this shady as fuck? Which is very weird considering he's top 1%.
Very, very strange. And also completely against the rules:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Buyer%27s_Guide#Payment
NOTICE: If your seller instructs you to pay directly, outside of the escrow system, or with any other method than through the site checkout system, you should report it immediately to our support staff via the "report vendor" link along with any evidence you can provide. If you do pay your seller directly, there will be no way for us to protect you from fraud.
Feel free to PM the name of the vendor in question.
Libertas
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So I messaged a top 1% vendor about a custom $1000 order, and he told me to remind him to set up a custom listing the next day. I reminded him the next day, he saw the message but didn't reply. I reminded him again the day after that and then he replied "I think it's better you send the coins to my account and give me your address". He wanted me to just send the money directly to his account, isn't this shady as fuck? Which is very weird considering he's top 1%.
Yes, that's pretty shady. :\
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Do you mind naming him? I think the community deserve to know when someone breaks the rules, transparency is good for all.
Thanks for reporting this
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And please provide proof as well..
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I passed the info up to SR Support so they can look into it.
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Do you mind naming him? I think the community deserve to know when someone breaks the rules, transparency is good for all.
Thanks for reporting this
I guess maybe it's for the best, as there's apparently no good reason for him to request a deal like that.
The vendor is FrankMatthews, and the full conversation is available in messages on SR for the admin to view.
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Do you mind naming him? I think the community deserve to know when someone breaks the rules, transparency is good for all.
Thanks for reporting this
I guess maybe it's for the best, as there's apparently no good reason for him to request a deal like that.
The vendor is FrankMatthews, and the full conversation is available in messages on SR. I could provide a screenshot if necessary.
That will not be necessary as scout has already passed it up and SR Support can view the messages themselves, even if deleted; thanks for alerting us to this, BeepBeepImAJeep!
Libertas
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I can't wait to see how this pans out.
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How many 1% are there?
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How many 1% are there?
There are 1,2XX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
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how similar are they to the real 1% in our society?
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how similar are they to the real 1% in our society?
don't know exactly, but i bet both of em makes lots of money =)
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very odd.. as shit is very transparent now - why risk the shitshow?
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very odd.. as shit is very transparent now - why risk the shitshow?
There is a thread a page or two back about the capability to sell vendor accounts. Not saying this is what happened, but if its a new behavior, its entirely possible its not the same person anymore.
I find it suspect that a 1% would forget such a simple rule about escrow.
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The vendor in question has had their vending privileges suspended.
Libertas
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The vendor in question has had their vending privileges suspended.
Libertas
Well who was it? Please don't make us search the 12 or 13 1%ers to figure out who it was.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=169077.msg1207884#msg1207884
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How many 1% are there?
There are 12,XXX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
Jack I love your posts and all but I think you need to check this MATH... lol ;)
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How many 1% are there?
There are 1,2XX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
Jack I love your posts and all but I think you need to check this MATH... lol ;)
One percent of 12,000 is 12. Since there is 12,XXX, there could be 12 or 13 in the 1% depending on if the system rounded up or down. Math has been checked SP. :)
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Damn! Why the hell would Franky just kill off his account like that? :o Will his account be reinstated or is this permanent?
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How many 1% are there?
There are 12,XXX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
Jack I love your posts and all but I think you need to check this MATH... lol ;)
One percent of 12,000 is 12. Since there is 12,XXX, there could be 12 or 13 in the 1% depending on if the system rounded up or down. Math has been checked SP. :)
Obviously I now know I have a Reading and Math comprehension problem. hahaha Love to ya Jack thanks :) + for the coolness
but won't 10% be 1200
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How many 1% are there?
There are 1,2XX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
Jack I love your posts and all but I think you need to check this MATH... lol ;)
One percent of 12,000 is 12. Since there is 12,XXX, there could be 12 or 13 in the 1% depending on if the system rounded up or down. Math has been checked SP. :)
Obviously I now know I have a Reading and Math comprehension problem. hahaha Love to ya Jack thanks :) + for the coolness
but won't 10% be 1200
1,200 x 0.01 = 12 vendors in the top one percent. ;D
But there is really between 12,250 and 12,900 vendors, so there could be 13 vendors in the top one percent. :)
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Damn! Why the hell would Franky just kill off his account like that? :o Will his account be reinstated or is this permanent?
I don't have any more information on it so can't say for sure; he broke the contract that he agreed to abide by upon becoming a vendor though, so it doesn't look like it. The Seller's Guide is very clear on the particular rule he has broken:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Seller%27s_Guide#Listing
I have to admit it is very strange that he'd do this, especially because the commission that he'd save on a $1,000 order is hardly anything to write home about. ???
Libertas
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How many 1% are there?
There are 12,XXX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
Jack I love your posts and all but I think you need to check this MATH... lol ;)
One percent of 12,000 is 12. Since there is 12,XXX, there could be 12 or 13 in the 1% depending on if the system rounded up or down. Math has been checked SP. :)
Obviously I now know I have a Reading and Math comprehension problem. hahaha Love to ya Jack thanks :) + for the coolness
but won't 10% be 1200
1,200 x 0.01 = 12 vendors in the top one percent. ;D
But there is really between 12,250 and 12,900 vendors, so there could be 13 vendors in the top one percent. :)
Jack, with Love to ya, but if you X 100 into 13 you get 1300 if you divide 12,000 by 100 you get ??? 120 LOVE LOVE :)
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How many 1% are there?
There are 12,XXX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
Jack I love your posts and all but I think you need to check this MATH... lol ;)
One percent of 12,000 is 12. Since there is 12,XXX, there could be 12 or 13 in the 1% depending on if the system rounded up or down. Math has been checked SP. :)
Obviously I now know I have a Reading and Math comprehension problem. hahaha Love to ya Jack thanks :) + for the coolness
but won't 10% be 1200
1,200 x 0.01 = 12 vendors in the top one percent. ;D
But there is really between 12,250 and 12,900 vendors, so there could be 13 vendors in the top one percent. :)
Jack, with Love to ya, but if you X 100 into 13 you get 1300 if you divide 12,000 by 100 you get ??? 120 LOVE LOVE :)
Southpaw, just listen me and don't bother to try to understand it because I have explained it twice already ;D
There are a hundred and twenty some in the top 10% and there are 12 or 13 in the top 1%.
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How many 1% are there?
There are 1,2XX vendors so there are either twelve or thirteen in the 1%. I've seen twelve of them there could be a thirteenth in stealth mode.
Jack I love your posts and all but I think you need to check this MATH... lol ;)
One percent of 12,000 is 12. Since there is 12,XXX, there could be 12 or 13 in the 1% depending on if the system rounded up or down. Math has been checked SP. :)
Obviously I now know I have a Reading and Math comprehension problem. hahaha Love to ya Jack thanks :) + for the coolness
but won't 10% be 1200
1,200 x 0.01 = 12 vendors in the top one percent. ;D
But there is really between 12,250 and 12,900 vendors, so there could be 13 vendors in the top one percent. :)
Yes but 1% of 12,000, or .01x12000=120
So 120 1% vendors
;D
Good lord! That would be correct IF there was 12,000 vendors.........
There is only 1,2XX vendors........................
FUCK, just noticed my typo in the first post. I meant 1,2XX not 12,XXX.
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LoL. I get stuck typing another long ass reply in another thread and I miss all this fun. :(
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LoL. I get stuck typing another long ass reply in another thread and I miss all this fun. :(
Not really just some more PMS. :) lol
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Wtf would compel Frank to do that? Strange. And if he asked the OP to do it.. I'm sure he's done it in the past. Unless.. he's was preparing to ... pull a runner.
That's a totally egregious violation of the rules. I hate that shit. In my opinion, all it takes is just once, and the best vendor on the planet would lose my trust/confidence/respect for trying to circumvent escrow.
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Wtf would compel Frank to do that? Strange. And if he asked the OP to do it.. I'm sure he's done it in the past. Unless.. he's was preparing to ... pull a runner.
That's a totally egregious violation of the rules. I hate that shit. In my opinion, all it takes is just once, and the best vendor on the planet would lose my trust/confidence/respect for trying to circumvent escrow.
What's even more strange is that he did it in cleartext through messages on the marketplace and not through PGP or privnote. :o
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Wtf would compel Frank to do that? Strange. And if he asked the OP to do it.. I'm sure he's done it in the past. Unless.. he's was preparing to ... pull a runner.
That's a totally egregious violation of the rules. I hate that shit. In my opinion, all it takes is just once, and the best vendor on the planet would lose my trust/confidence/respect for trying to circumvent escrow.
What's even more strange is that he did it in cleartext through messages on the marketplace and not through PGP or privnote. :o
I found it strange that on his vendor profile he advised people to use Privnote instead of PGP.
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Wtf would compel Frank to do that? Strange. And if he asked the OP to do it.. I'm sure he's done it in the past. Unless.. he's was preparing to ... pull a runner.
That's a totally egregious violation of the rules. I hate that shit. In my opinion, all it takes is just once, and the best vendor on the planet would lose my trust/confidence/respect for trying to circumvent escrow.
What's even more strange is that he did it in cleartext through messages on the marketplace and not through PGP or privnote. :o
I found it strange that on his vendor profile he advised people to use Privnote instead of PGP.
That's just the sign of a lazy/overworked vendor that cares more about speed/simplicity than security.
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I got a PM from another user before I revealed the username:
"was it frank mathews ? because if it was and your order is for #3 heroin it would make sense why he doesnt want to do it in escrow, because the quality is very very bad and he knows you would not pay for it "
It wasn't about heroin for me, but that seems like a plausible explanation. Perhaps he lost his connections to good stuff and tried to pull in as much money as possible before disappearing.
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I got a PM from another user before I revealed the username:
"was it frank mathews ? because if it was and your order is for #3 heroin it would make sense why he doesnt want to do it in escrow, because the quality is very very bad and he knows you would not pay for it "
It wasn't about heroin for me, but that seems like a plausible explanation. Perhaps he lost his connections to good stuff and tried to pull in as much money as possible before disappearing.
This is why it's so, so important to report things like this so they can be acted on quickly and buyers can be protected. Kudos for letting us know, BeepBeepImAJeep. Regardless of the vendor's circumstances, you've potentially saved a lot of buyers from losing a lot of money.
Libertas
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I don't think this is the first time that the vendor does this, much probably.
If it was the first time and he wanted to go around the rules he would have been much more attentive. Instead the sort of "security" with which he asked for something so grave as this makes me suppose that he has done something like this many times before and simply many people (we know that for drugs - especially H - many people do whatever it takes) agreed on doing things in his way.
It is true that from an 1% vendor something like this shouldn't happen (above all because they have very good profits already) but it is also true that a vendor with that popularity can make users do things that they would never do with someone else just because they trust him much more.
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I hope nobody loses out in this, and that all current customers get their product and that Franky can return under a new name. Shame.
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I hope nobody loses out in this, and that all current customers get their product and that Franky can return under a new name. Shame.
Agree I'm sorry for the buyers who are affected and hope they are fully decomposed.,it,s a shame so many Dutch (C) vendors are scammers :-[ or have multiplied accounts!! I,ll edit this reply if i,m wrong in this case:-)
He was a nr 1 vendor but i,m happy his fe policy hold me back .
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Frank here..no need to worry peoples I send all the orders out today.. I will work out this problem with SR..
greets FM
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Frank here..no need to worry peoples I send all the orders out today.. I will work out this problem with SR..
greets FM
If you want to clean your name, how about a public explanation of why you wanted me to send coins directly to your account instead of using escrow?
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Frank can you still read the messages? i've sent you the details you need about my reship,please check it if you can..
thanks
ppfld
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what a stupid cunt, lol, he prob just done that as he couldnt be bothered to put a custom listing up and now he has lost his account when he took so long to build it up to be in the top 1% of sellers, madness !!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, maybe Frank didnt act right in this occasion but fuck guys, he's always been an excellent vendor...i mean how is it that shittypersons like Italy-bulldog-lupen-etc -etc, well known scammers, are still there, even after numerous reports (at least from me...) ???, there are still items for sale that are completely fake, like those heroin pills wich you can find on the clearweb and are clearly fake!!! Stll there after months!! Those pills dont exist, period!
And in a moment you guys from SR banned a serious vendor like Frank for what, an out of escrow, which , ok, it might be against the rules but there's no evidence that it was ment to scam... as far as i know Frank never scammed anyone here, he might be long sometimes,i well know that, but he always came through so far...
just my 2 cents...
ppfld
Go Frank we are with you!!
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as far as i know Frank never scammed anyone here, he might be long sometimes,i well know that, but he always came through so far...
The keyword here is "as far as i know". The point is that you don't know, and that's why it's important to act when someone pulls shady stuff like this. Sure it's possible that there was never any intention to scam but before we have the facts on the table, it's better to suspend the account to investigate further.
In my opinion, a serious vendor would never break that rule and risks suspension just because he's too lazy to make a custom listing. I'm not saying FrankMatthews is stupid, but what he did was pretty stupid. And I wouldn't want to trade with vendors who make mistakes like that, who knows what other mistakes they could make?
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Listen, i dont know how long you've been "on the Silk Road", from what i can see in your profile you look quite new .... i'm using the Road almost since it first came out, well before Frank got in, and I can tell you that so far he's been probably the best vendor i dealt with, even if in a couple of occasion he tested my patience quite hard, i even thought he was taking the piss of of me, but deep inside i've never doubt his honesty.
I mean before to point a finger so hard, check all his history in the forum and by the feedbacks and the only problems you can find will be related to orders in australia and new zealand that are well known for being bitchy...but you will find hundred, well probably thousands of very happy costumers...that should be enough to make you think twice...but actually you probably have done the right thing, you did it in good will, what i dont understand is the decision of SR staff to act so drastically... and i repeat, leave notorious scammers still free to steal and cheat on people.
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but actually you probably have done the right thing, you did it in good will, what i dont understand is the decision of SR staff to act so drastically... and i repeat, leave notorious scammers still free to steal and cheat on people.
They acted so drastically, as you say, because Frank is a very popular vendor. A vendor so popular if for whatever reasons begin to turn into scamming can really commit a massacre. The other vendor you mentioned sure it's a liability, but it's nothing in comparison to someone with as much popularity as Frank turning wild.
For this the admins acted very very quickly in this instance and they have done well to do so. It can also be a mistake done just for laziness and in good faith and not to cause harm but it was imperative given the popularity of the vendor to investigate on the issue really quick and prevent something that could turn into a bad situation very very fast just in case.
In spiderman's docet: with great power comes great responsibility.
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With the volume of business and amount of SR commission he brings in suspect it will just be a slap on the wrist. Have to show that they are serious about the rules by suspedning account.
Pretty certain it was just laziness. Think $100 saving is pocket change for his company.
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Oh well , it looks like Frank was about to do a Tony76, and high tail it out of there, :o Yes the admins where spot on ;D! a lot of people could of lost some serious dollar. If he proves it was in error, then I'm sure his privilaged account will be re-instated.
*Reaches for the memory lane album*
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Come on sr bring back frank!!
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A new vendor on SR named yinyang2013,have the same page as FrankMatthews....sketchy....
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8fe7e44904
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A new vendor on SR named yinyang2013,have the same page as FrankMatthews....sketchy....
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8fe7e44904
As long as he can sign a PGP message with his old key then it is him. This is a business to Francis. Ol' Franky needs a new vendor account so this could be him.
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This is very interesting! I have personally never had the opportunity to do business with a 1%er. I'm guessing most of them dabble in the THC business???
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This is very interesting! I have personally never had the opportunity to do business with a 1%er. I'm guessing most of them dabble in the THC business???
You guessed very wrong. MDMA and LSD are what usually get you to the 1%.
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This is very interesting! I have personally never had the opportunity to do business with a 1%er. I'm guessing most of them dabble in the THC business???
You guessed very wrong. MDMA and LSD are what usually get you to the 1%.
Thanks for the heads up! I would've never guessed that!! LSD really? How does that work? Does it have to do with the category at all?
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This is very interesting! I have personally never had the opportunity to do business with a 1%er. I'm guessing most of them dabble in the THC business???
You guessed very wrong. MDMA and LSD are what usually get you to the 1%.
Thanks for the heads up! I would've never guessed that!! LSD really? How does that work? Does it have to do with the category at all?
Popular and expensive. The vendor's percentile only has to do with the amount of money they have received from sales.
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I think it's a very high possibility that FM has sold his account
A little while ago I was warning people to be careful because I had messaged a "reputable vendor" in a PGP encrypted message and the told me to send them the message in cleartext instead. I never named the vendor then, but it was FrankMatthews.
the messages are copy pasted below for proof. It could indeed be he's sold/compromised his account, the new person doesn't have access to his private key and so is encouraging everything in cleartext/privnote. It was been nearly a month, and my message still hasn't been decrypted and replied to.
I hope the people who ordered from FM don't get their real life adresses compromised and become a victim of these blackmails going about recently.
I see his profile page is back up. I would strongly urge SR admins to have a good, long, hard look at this account
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FrankMatthews(97) what's so important 26 days read
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I think it's a very high possibility that FM has sold his account
A little while ago I was warning people to be careful because I had messaged a "reputable vendor" in a PGP encrypted message and the told me to send them the message in cleartext instead. I never named the vendor then, but it was FrankMatthews.
the messages are copy pasted below for proof. It could indeed be he's sold/compromised his account, the new person doesn't have access to his private key and so is encouraging everything in cleartext/privnote. It was been nearly a month, and my message still hasn't been decrypted and replied to.
I hope the people who ordered from FM don't get their real life adresses compromised and become a victim of these blackmails going about recently.
I see his profile page is back up. I would strongly urge SR admins to have a good, long, hard look at this account
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FrankMatthews(97) what's so important 26 days read
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SRUSER please spend 10 seconds copy pasting, entering your private key and decrypting the message 29 days read
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FrankMatthews(97) please send a normal message 29 days read
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WOW! Nothing looks good about ANY of that!
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A new vendor on SR named yinyang2013,have the same page as FrankMatthews....sketchy....
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/8fe7e44904
No i don,t think this is FM new page i just had a quick look and something very strange,there are copied sentences from Happy Timez profile page and FM,s page+C prices are higher+FM,s profile page is back up whitout active listings,so... :-\
Maby it,s better not to speculate and wait:patience is a virtue :)
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He's always been legit and required FE anyway so it's possible he wasn't thinking OR someone else with access to his account like his support team did it.
That said, we had two orders from him seized and one was supposed to contain MDMA as well as coke and they only sent a love letter for the MDMA and although this suggests foul play or oversight I never bothered chasing it up.
Shame, he's a good vendor all that aside but who knows he may have planned a runner but still since he requires FE why bother with cutting out SR support and potentially taking more people for big $ before leaving like duderugs or ETM?
I know for a fact he's not the only vendor on here who will deal outside of SR though mind, however it would be a shame to lose him he's an asset IMO even though I stopped using him personally after losing those previous two orders it just wasn't worth risking anything from NL anymore and burning addresses to save a few bucks and with the exposure from the media not worth importing anything now IMO unless you're desperate to make $$$.
- JWM
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he is very legit. alot of people would be disappointed if he got banned for such a stupid reason
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last time i checked he has like 450 pages of reviews from orders. with 10 a page....