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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: motek on June 03, 2013, 07:44 am
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We recieved this privnote a few weeks back, we notified SR high command AND the mods here ...
THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING!
What would YOU DO if you recieved this in a pm?
"I'd like you to know that if you do not immediately stop posting, I will have you killed. plain and simple.
2 of the developers of silk road are actually partners of my partners, they have agreed to give me every single name and address you have used on SR. They have told me that you sometimes use multiple addresses.
I have a lot of industrial speed production partners in australia, and have decided instead of buying one high quality private detective/hitter, I will just pay for a gang of speed freaks to rape and kill you. They said that they will gangbang you even if it is old nasty pussy, they dont care.
You think that your address is deleted after the vendor places the order?
Well let me tell you, SR is backed up every single day and there is no encryption between you and the seller.
All the dev has to do is scan through the backups until they get to the day that you ordered, and your address will be in your current order.
The have database backups of SR for the last year+ and have a very advanced script made to go back and look through it for various reasons.
You know why the mods told you I was banned when I wasn't?
Because they are working with me and just want you to shut up.
So: if you post a single thread about me or if I hear from the mods/devs that you are trying to report me again, I will send my partners partner 10k for all of the addresses, and I will send the speed freaks another 4k to make sure that this is more expensive for you than it is for me.
You can try your luck, maybe only your friends who get your packages will be hurt, theres a chance you can get away, is it worth it to you? It wont hurt me to spend the money, they promised to send me pictures of you before and after so I consider it an entertainment expense. But I would rather you just dissapeared and I can keep this money, your choice".
This note has been destroyed, so if you want to keep its content, you must copy it before closing this page.
From Ron Paul .... he says we fucked his business! wtf!?
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There's nothing we can do from the forums - only the admin have the ability to investigate that issue.
We did assure you though that the person who sent that message was just trying to bully you. They are in no way associated with SR's admin.
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Yes I know you did scout BUT not one of you actually told me any more than that ... Libertas SAID HE WAS going to inform SR admin AND get back to me ... we're STILL WAITING!
SR admins reply to me was...
"SR Support Please be reassured that everything in that message is a bluff and what was said is not true. We will investigate further and look for supporting evidence to ban him with, thank you for flagging this with us.
~SR Support 6 days read
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So far they've DONE squat! HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY even allowing a vendor who sends pm's like this to members? Surely sending SR members DEATH THREATS = being banned!
Clearly NOT .... which makes me wonder just how much oof what he says, IS true?
It ALL makes 'sense' IF what he says IS true .... and then EVERYONE'S in DANGER of being revealed! ;o
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Nah dude he is bullying you. PGP, is suppose to prevent that. If you use it. Also another thing, Doubtful that he is going to spend 14k to kill you. Seriously, man, tor or no tor its the internet, anyone can lie about anything.
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yeas you're right gtrmonkey BUT look at what he alleges! PLUS the simple FACT he's threatening members in ANY WAY should not be tolerated. Full Stop!
Like I said, how would YOU respond?
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Is it just me, or are alot of vendors sending privnote messages to buyers threating to cause harm?
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"Is it just me, or are alot of vendors sending privnote messages to buyers threating to cause harm?"
Good question but I dont know about a "lot" but definitely a few! Looks like much of TSR's admins 'goodwill' is diminishing as the amount of vendors and profits rise!
What freaks me out is what he says about his collusion with SR high command ... that's some SERIOUS SHIT he's alleging!
And words are cheap, Of course SR aren't going to 'admit' they are involved (if they are, but he knows stuff that suggest he DOES HAVE ACCESS ... hmmm)
Not thaat we give a fuck lol I'd LOVE to see this cunts henchmen rock up to ours! LMAO! fuckin idiot
BUT, that said, this STILL IS OF CONCERN for everyone ... Oh and this fuckhead actually offered a vendor I use $5000 for my address!!!
Fortunately the vendor told me plus it's a drop addy not a living addy ... good luck finding that!
What do you say about this scout? Still think this dude wont 'waste' $14k?
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"Is it just me, or are alot of vendors sending privnote messages to buyers threating to cause harm?"
Good question but I dont know it!
What freaks me out is what he says about his collusion with SR high command ... that's some SERIOUS SHIT he's alleging!
And words are cheap, Of course SR aren't going to 'admit' they are involved (if they are, but he knows stuff that suggest he DOES HAVE ACCESS ... hmmm)
Not thaat we give a fuck lol I'd LOVE to see this cunts henchmen rock up to ours! LMAO! fuckin idiot
BUT, that said, this STILL IS OF CONCERN for everyone ... Oh and this fuckhead actually offered a vendor I use $5000 for my address!!!
Fortunately the vendor told me plus it's a drop addy not a living addy ... good luck finding that!
What do you say about this scout? Still think this dude wont 'waste' $14k?
If silkroad wants you dead, run.
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Sorry for asking, but what the hell have you done to make this guy so furious with you?
Anyway for a bit of time, until the dust has settled, I would just purchase from vendors you have a very good relationship with and use drop addresses to be even more sure.
As if SR is somewhat tied to this thing, I sincerely hope it's not so, or the thing is worrying.
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I called his chemistry shit, and that he IS a scammer and took him to task when he argued, which he did, but LOST badly!
This wanker is NO different from a drug scammer and what we did was to help the community not get burnt!
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I called his chemistry shit, and that he IS a scammer and took him to task when he argued, which he did, but LOST badly!
This wanker is NO different from a drug scammer and what we did was to help the community not get burnt!
Wow! make sure and tell him a full refund or he will be reported!
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Wow powerful words from the faceless man. Seems like the internet in a nutshell nowadays.
But really, scout already clarified the issue. The guy is not affiliated with the SR Admins, and nobody is going to waste 14K to come a murder you or your friends. As long as you've taken the proper security precautions you're a-ok.
It's obviously just some douche bag that had nothing better to do, and sounds like he was probably a little sped up when he wrote that (aka tweaker-speak, i'm from the MW). I wouldn't worry if I were you. I'd probably talk some more shit to see what kind of other crazy things I could get him to say. But hey, that's just me.
Maybe you should let Karma get him? Karma is a dish best served with hummus
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These types of threats should not be tolerated in SR. As a community we should take an active role in shaming people like Ron Paul, even if the admins don't immediately ban him (which might take multiple reporting).
In fact I'm going to go to Ron Pauls page now and report him, if this is the necessary action to have my voice heard by the admins.
Fuck you Ron Paul you absolute gowl.
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Is it just me, or are alot of vendors sending privnote messages to buyers threating to cause harm?
I've noticed scammers use privnote to write their story and blackmail.
it's so SR admins can't see it. But I think they are on to it now. Seeing a privnote link should be enough to prove there is something they want to hide. Hiding an address is different than a personal PM.
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the numbers are irrelevant. $1 OR $1,000,000 the FACT he sent this SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT to have him banned ... his motives are clear, he feels he's been burnt and want revenge!
"what if" we only lived down the road? Just becoz he probably can't/wont act on this IS BESIDES THE POINT!
Why should we take TSR admin's 'word' on this? FFS do you think they WOULD admit to this?
The thing that get us is SR admins lack of response to this VERY SERIOUS matter!
He WAS able to get addresses that SHOULD HAVE BEEN LONG GONE!!! AND he didn't get them from any vendors we do business with!
The allegations he makes about SR's computer security IS enough for them to 'explain' a bit better than "he's just mouthing off, don't worry about it"
C'mon! Seriously? I'm not worried BUT some people might be!
This dude is STILL TRADING even though SR admin TOLD THE VENDOR who was offered the money, who reported him that "HE (RP) HAS BEEN BANNED"
WHY DID THEY SAY THAT? Esapecially as it's not TRUE?
The pm's from SR admins, as well as to/from the vendors are still available ... I might post them later if anyone is interested enough
Not you Finite fuckwit, you're just a troll, that will be ignored by us.
hmmmmmm motek :o
p.s it's easy to take a screenshot of a Privnote, although we didn't, we just copypasta'd it :oo
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Is it just me, or are alot of vendors sending privnote messages to buyers threating to cause harm?
I've noticed scammers use privnote to write their story and blackmail.
it's so SR admins can't see it. But I think they are on to it now. Seeing a privnote link should be enough to prove there is something they want to hide. Hiding an address is different than a personal PM.
Wrong. When buyers don't provide a pgp key, privnote is the most quick was to exchange personal details. Buyers are fucking dickwads that do everything they can to take advantage of a vendor.
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Vendors & Buyers.. both exist, good & bad ones. Wish we could weed out the bad.
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I wouldn't worry about his threats.
The people running this site are making millions upon millions of dollars, I highly doubt they would collude with a second-rate vendor like Ron Paul to potentially ruin their reputation by doing something like this. The guy has 158 sales in a year and is only in the top 48%, he isn't shit. There are a lot of vendors who make more money in a month than he has made in his entire time here on the road and the Silk Road Admins could kiss his business goodbye without batting an eyelid.
If he sends anymore privnotes, please screenshot the message as well as the open privnote, so he can't deny sending it to you.
This kind of drama is why I only use drop addresses. My advice is to always build a relationship with a select group of trusted vendors that you regularly buy from to avoid these situations ever developing, and be careful when sending money to anyone new.
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the numbers are irrelevant. $1 OR $1,000,000 the FACT he sent this SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT to have him banned ... his motives are clear, he feels he's been burnt and want revenge!
"what if" we only lived down the road? Just becoz he probably can't/wont act on this IS BESIDES THE POINT!
Why should we take TSR admin's 'word' on this? FFS do you think they WOULD admit to this?
The thing that get us is SR admins lack of response to this VERY SERIOUS matter!
He WAS able to get addresses that SHOULD HAVE BEEN LONG GONE!!! AND he didn't get them from any vendors we do business with!
The allegations he makes about SR's computer security IS enough for them to 'explain' a bit better than "he's just mouthing off, don't worry about it"
C'mon! Seriously? I'm not worried BUT some people might be!
This dude is STILL TRADING even though SR admin TOLD THE VENDOR who was offered the money, who reported him that "HE (RP) HAS BEEN BANNED"
WHY DID THEY SAY THAT? Esapecially as it's not TRUE?
The pm's from SR admins, as well as to/from the vendors are still available ... I might post them later if anyone is interested enough
Not you Finite fuckwit, you're just a troll, that will be ignored by us.
hmmmmmm motek :o
p.s it's easy to take a screenshot of a Privnote, although we didn't, we just copypasta'd it :oo
So how much was the refund you want? Be honest, admin will see if your avoiding this question.
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Thanks for the gentle words AussieMitch, they're appreciated
What I'd like to know is "how" this dude has 99% feedback?
I have seen his "guides" and they are shit, which I told him, which he did not like!
The concern is that some people have more dollars than sense,
It would be foolish to 'assume' anything when it comes to people threatening your life AND the lives/wellbeing of your friends! :o
AND "why" DID SR admin TELL theXchange (the vendor offered the $5k) that Ron Paul HAD been banned?
It doesn't make sense!
ANYWAY, it's NOT 'ok' capiche? I doubt ANY of you would be SO blase IF you had recieved the same bullshit 'answers/replies'
hmmmmmmmmmmm motek :p
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Thanks for the gentle words AussieMitch, they're appreciated
What I'd like to know is "how" this dude has 99% feedback?
I have seen his "guides" and they are shit, which I told him, which he did not like!
The concern is that some people have more dollars than sense,
It would be foolish to 'assume' anything when it comes to people threatening your life AND the lives/wellbeing of your friends! :o
AND "why" DID SR admin TELL theXchange (the vendor offered the $5k) that Ron Paul HAD been banned?
It doesn't make sense!
ANYWAY, it's NOT 'ok' capiche? I doubt ANY of you would be SO blase IF you had recieved the same bullshit 'answers/replies'
hmmmmmmmmmmm motek :p
You bought the guide, told him it was shit, he said fuck off no refunds, and now your doing this to blackmail/revenge.
Honestly I don't think he sent that to you. It looks like you wrote it. Your punctuation and grammar is very very similar.
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Yes I know you did scout BUT not one of you actually told me any more than that ... Libertas SAID HE WAS going to inform SR admin AND get back to me ... we're STILL WAITING!
SR admins reply to me was...
"SR Support Please be reassured that everything in that message is a bluff and what was said is not true. We will investigate further and look for supporting evidence to ban him with, thank you for flagging this with us.
~SR Support 6 days read
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So far they've DONE squat! HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY even allowing a vendor who sends pm's like this to members? Surely sending SR members DEATH THREATS = being banned!
Clearly NOT .... which makes me wonder just how much oof what he says, IS true?
It ALL makes 'sense' IF what he says IS true .... and then EVERYONE'S in DANGER of being revealed! ;o
There was nothing more to say on my end, motek. There was no proof that the PrivNote was from the person you say it was from, and we reassured you that what was contained within it was completely untrue. As it was a PrivNote, there was nothing we could do about it as it was not in the SR messaging system. SR Support did say they would check out his account, and if they said that then they have done so.
I did not hear anything back from admins about it so there was nothing for me to get back to you with.
We moderate the forums; please do not blame us for things that may occur on the main site as we have no administrative access to it.
AND "why" DID SR admin TELL theXchange (the vendor offered the $5k) that Ron Paul HAD been banned?
Is there any proof available that an SR admin stated this to the vendor in question?
Libertas
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Yes I know you did scout BUT not one of you actually told me any more than that ... Libertas SAID HE WAS going to inform SR admin AND get back to me ... we're STILL WAITING!
SR admins reply to me was...
"SR Support Please be reassured that everything in that message is a bluff and what was said is not true. We will investigate further and look for supporting evidence to ban him with, thank you for flagging this with us.
~SR Support 6 days read
delete"
So far they've DONE squat! HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY even allowing a vendor who sends pm's like this to members? Surely sending SR members DEATH THREATS = being banned!
Clearly NOT .... which makes me wonder just how much oof what he says, IS true?
It ALL makes 'sense' IF what he says IS true .... and then EVERYONE'S in DANGER of being revealed! ;o
There was nothing more to say on my end, motek. There was no proof that the PrivNote was from the person you say it was from, and we reassured you that what was contained within it was completely untrue. As it was a PrivNote, there was nothing we could do about it as it was not in the SR messaging system. SR Support did say they would check out his account, and if they said that then they have done so.
I did not hear anything back from admins about it so there was nothing for me to get back to you with.
We moderate the forums; please do not blame us for things that may occur on the main site as we have no administrative access to it.
AND "why" DID SR admin TELL theXchange (the vendor offered the $5k) that Ron Paul HAD been banned?
Is there any proof available that an SR admin stated this to the vendor in question?
Libertas
Wow. I got suspended for the exact same thing libatard.
Also look at what she claims ron paul sent, and how she types. You both use way way too many comma's.
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Wow. I got suspended for the exact same thing libatard.
Also look at what she claims ron paul sent, and how she types. You both use way way too many comma's.
No, you were suspended for actively threatening buyers, InfiniteSource, amongst other things I believe.
Libertas
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Wow. I got suspended for the exact same thing libatard.
Also look at what she claims ron paul sent, and how she types. You both use way way too many comma's.
No, you were suspended for actively threatening buyers, InfiniteSource, amongst other things I believe.
Libertas
VIA PRIV NOTE GOD DAMN IT.
RON PAUL: PM ME THE LISTING FOR THE SPEED FREAK GANGRAPE SERVICE! THANKS.
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OMG here we go again Infinitesource(cochella420) vs Libertas
IS stop picking fights its getting old.
This message is almost definitely fake, and yes id agree that anyone who does make threats should be banned but PROOF is needed before the ban hammer is laid down.
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Motek, you know how I know your a fucking liar?
Any normal person, after reading this message and even having a gram of doubt about rather it was a lie or not, would turn off their computer, and stay off for 3 days.
Instead you run to the forums, and post this. Either your a fucking liar, or enjoy speed freak gang rapes. If you even thought that ron paul was working with admins, you would be hiding in your closet right now. Not posting on a forum he told you not to, talking shit,
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Didn't "infinitesource" user above say he was going to atlantis and all the buyers can eat a dick? He also has been accused all over the dark net of of regularly showing signs that he has possible multiple personality disorders due to his constant appearances on a website under different vendor names and also on a forum he states every one can 'eat a dick" but yet still posts here regularly just to pick fights keyboard warrior style possibly trying to impress his internet girlfriend on adultmatchmaker who unknown to him is actually a 71 year old male claiming to be a 21 year old blonde from New Mexico?
Seriously dude move on....
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Didn't "infinitesource" user above say he was going to atlantis and all the buyers can eat a dick? He also has been accused all over the dark net of of regularly showing signs that he has possible multiple personality disorders due to his constant appearances on a website under different vendor names and also on a forum he states every one can 'eat a dick" but yet still posts here regularly just to pick fights keyboard warrior style possibly trying to impress his internet girlfriend on adultmatchmaker who unknown to him is actually a 71 year old male claiming to be a 21 year old blonde from New Mexico?
Seriously dude move on....
Sorry, am I not allowed to discuss anything? Offer input to the topic at hand, or shut the fuck up. Fag.
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Wow. I got suspended for the exact same thing libatard.
Also look at what she claims ron paul sent, and how she types. You both use way way too many comma's.
No, you were suspended for actively threatening buyers, InfiniteSource, amongst other things I believe.
Libertas
VIA PRIV NOTE GOD DAMN IT.
RON PAUL: PM ME THE LISTING FOR THE SPEED FREAK GANGRAPE SERVICE! THANKS.
Ah, so you admit that you DID threaten buyers via Privnote. Shiny. :) Regardless, you were banned for more than that. If you have an issue with your suspension, open a support ticket on the main site.
Libertas
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Wow. I got suspended for the exact same thing libatard.
Also look at what she claims ron paul sent, and how she types. You both use way way too many comma's.
No, you were suspended for actively threatening buyers, InfiniteSource, amongst other things I believe.
Libertas
VIA PRIV NOTE GOD DAMN IT.
RON PAUL: PM ME THE LISTING FOR THE SPEED FREAK GANGRAPE SERVICE! THANKS.
Ah, so you admit that you DID threaten buyers via Privnote. Shiny. :) Regardless, you were banned for more than that. If you have an issue with your suspension, open a support ticket on the main site.
Libertas
I was suspended for threatening buyers via privnote. Yes, this is a true statement. Reread that Libertas 3 more times to make sure you can comprehend it.
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@ FiniteSuss I normallly wont bother BUT I really want to tell you what A FUCKIN IDIOT you are!
Probably a RP conspirator, AND a scamming tool as well! Give it up you sad sorry piece of shit (an insult to shit! whoa! what next!)
Goochihuh nailed it when they posted this...
"Didn't "infinitesource" user above say he was going to atlantis and all the buyers can eat a dick? He also has been accused all over the dark net of of regularly showing signs that he has possible multiple personality disorders due to his constant appearances on a website under different vendor names and also on a forum he states every one can 'eat a dick" but yet still posts here regularly just to pick fights keyboard warrior style possibly trying to impress his internet girlfriend on adultmatchmaker who unknown to him is actually a 71 year old male claiming to be a 21 year old blonde from New Mexico?
Seriously dude move on...."
I know there's NO point in telling you to "get a life" as you wouldn't know how!
@Libertas and scout, fair enough you aren't responsible for TSR,, BUT, Libertas you SAID you WOULD get back to me, and as you know you did not.
I had to pm you and you couldn't ever remember my pm! In which I HAD SAID that I had MORE pm's to "prove" this, BUT you NEVER EVEN ASKED FOR THEM!!
IDK!
hmmmmm motek :o
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@ FiniteSuss I normallly wont bother BUT I really want to tell you what A FUCKIN IDIOT you are!
Probably a RP conspirator, AND a scamming tool as well! Give it up you sad sorry piece of shit (an insult to shit! whoa! what next!)
Goochihuh nailed it when they posted this...
"Didn't "infinitesource" user above say he was going to atlantis and all the buyers can eat a dick? He also has been accused all over the dark net of of regularly showing signs that he has possible multiple personality disorders due to his constant appearances on a website under different vendor names and also on a forum he states every one can 'eat a dick" but yet still posts here regularly just to pick fights keyboard warrior style possibly trying to impress his internet girlfriend on adultmatchmaker who unknown to him is actually a 71 year old male claiming to be a 21 year old blonde from New Mexico?
Seriously dude move on...."
I know there's NO point in telling you to "get a life" as you wouldn't know how!
@Libertas and scout, fair enough you aren't responsible for TSR,, BUT, Libertas you SAID you WOULD get back to me, and as you know you did not.
I had to pm you and you couldn't ever remember my pm! In which I HAD SAID that I had MORE pm's to "prove" this, BUT you NEVER EVEN ASKED FOR THEM!!
IDK!
hmmmmm motek :o
So you hurl personal insults instead of replying to my questions? Pissed because I figured it out? Im the scammer? hahah. You paid for a book, you got it. Whats the problem? You don't buy a book from borders, then return it saying "it sucked."
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Thanks for the gentle words AussieMitch, they're appreciated
What I'd like to know is "how" this dude has 99% feedback?
I have seen his "guides" and they are shit, which I told him, which he did not like!
The concern is that some people have more dollars than sense,
It would be foolish to 'assume' anything when it comes to people threatening your life AND the lives/wellbeing of your friends! :o
AND "why" DID SR admin TELL theXchange (the vendor offered the $5k) that Ron Paul HAD been banned?
It doesn't make sense!
ANYWAY, it's NOT 'ok' capiche? I doubt ANY of you would be SO blase IF you had recieved the same bullshit 'answers/replies'
hmmmmmmmmmmm motek :p
Reverse course. Is all this really worth it? Don't worry so much about people getting scammed. They'll get scammed even if you tell them not to get scammed. How many threads and posts are there telling people not to FE? But they do it anyway.
Give in to the stupid threats by backing off, removing/changing posts or whatever. SR has no martyrs. And they can't protect you.
No telling what kind of crazy you're dealing with.
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I was suspended for threatening buyers via privnote. Yes, this is a true statement. Reread that Libertas 3 more times to make sure you can comprehend it.
Great, got it! :)
@Libertas and scout, fair enough you aren't responsible for TSR,, BUT, Libertas you SAID you WOULD get back to me, and as you know you did not.
I had to pm you and you couldn't ever remember my pm! In which I HAD SAID that I had MORE pm's to "prove" this, BUT you NEVER EVEN ASKED FOR THEM!!
IDK!
hmmmmm motek :o
motek I get swamped with PM's about various issues on a daily basis, I cannot remember every issue that members come to me with. I apologise for not getting back to you, even to tell you that there was nothing more for me to say. I said I would get back to you and I didn't - sorry for that.
However, as stated above there is nothing that we can do when it comes to the main site. We deal with customer support issues here because a huge amount of the questions people ask SR Support are very basic things that are caused by them not understanding how the site works - answers to which can be found in the SR Wiki or here on the forums.
Regarding issues with vendors, they will have to be brought up directly with SR Support. If it's a pressing matter you are, of course, free to message the mods here and we will see to it that the issue receives an administrators attention, as we did with this issue. We don't always hear back when we send something up the chain due to how busy the administrators are but rest assured everything that we send up gets looked at or investigated if needs-be.
Libertas
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@ Libertas, sorry bro we are just venting a little! I fully understand how busy you mods must be! Tis often a thanklees job, but I appreciate your work
I was a tad pissed off that you didn't get back to me as this IS pretty serious shit mate!
Anyhoo, no probs, it's good to see you here in this thread, keeping an eye out. so to speak
@FiniteSuss, duuude you ARE an IDIOT! I NEVER SAID I bought squat from RP, learn to read! Actually, just fuck off and stop polluting this thread :o
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@ Libertas, sorry bro we are just venting a little! I fully understand how busy you mods must be! Tis often a thanklees job, but I appreciate your work
I was a tad pissed off that you didn't get back to me as this IS pretty serious shit mate!
Anyhoo, no probs, it's good to see you here in this thread, keeping an eye out. so to speak
@FiniteSuss, duuude you ARE an IDIOT! I NEVER SAID I bought squat from RP, learn to read! Actually, just fuck off and stop polluting this thread :o
I completely understand that, motek, but it's simply a case of me not giving it the same priority as perhaps you are giving it because I knew that the message contained nothing factual and it was solely an attempt by someone to rattle your cage. If there had been anything genuine in the message from that person I would have moved it to a priority folder and devoted much more time to following it up.
Libertas
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We recieved this privnote a few weeks back, we notified SR high command AND the mods here ...
THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING!
What would YOU DO if you recieved this in a pm?
"I'd like you to know that if you do not immediately stop posting, I will have you killed. plain and simple.
2 of the developers of silk road are actually partners of my partners, they have agreed to give me every single name and address you have used on SR. They have told me that you sometimes use multiple addresses.
I have a lot of industrial speed production partners in australia, and have decided instead of buying one high quality private detective/hitter, I will just pay for a gang of speed freaks to rape and kill you. They said that they will gangbang you even if it is old nasty pussy, they dont care.
You think that your address is deleted after the vendor places the order?
Well let me tell you, SR is backed up every single day and there is no encryption between you and the seller.
All the dev has to do is scan through the backups until they get to the day that you ordered, and your address will be in your current order.
The have database backups of SR for the last year+ and have a very advanced script made to go back and look through it for various reasons.
You know why the mods told you I was banned when I wasn't?
Because they are working with me and just want you to shut up.
So: if you post a single thread about me or if I hear from the mods/devs that you are trying to report me again, I will send my partners partner 10k for all of the addresses, and I will send the speed freaks another 4k to make sure that this is more expensive for you than it is for me.
You can try your luck, maybe only your friends who get your packages will be hurt, theres a chance you can get away, is it worth it to you? It wont hurt me to spend the money, they promised to send me pictures of you before and after so I consider it an entertainment expense. But I would rather you just dissapeared and I can keep this money, your choice".
This note has been destroyed, so if you want to keep its content, you must copy it before closing this page.
From Ron Paul .... he says we fucked his business! wtf!?
Wow..that's all I can really say, just ignore them their obviously scum bags with no life lol.
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thanks Princess here have a +1
BTW it seems pretty clear the FiniteSuss and RonPaul (the scammer) are one and the same!
Hey Astor, why hasn't RP been banned for making threats like this?
As I said, I have MUCH more in SR pm's!
Phew! :p
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I was suspended for threatening buyers via privnote. Yes, this is a true statement. Reread that Libertas 3 more times to make sure you can comprehend it.
Great, got it! :)
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Lol, I would love for that to be said to me. I would have responded. "Please send those speed freaks. I will send you the pics of the leftovers of their empty shells of a body when I am finished. Plus, one of them will tell me who paid them before they got their torch extinguished. Better watch yourself, every day for the rest of your life."
I like to think of hypothetical situations lol.
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I would have not fear of something like this myself, actually I would enjoy it - it's a lot of time I don't have the pleasure of turning life into literal hell to someone and I'm beginning to have a little nostalgia about it ;) - but I can understand that for some people something like that can be problematic depending on the circumstances.
I think that for Motek the thing that bothered him was the doubt that SR could indeed be involved on the thing and not the threat in itself, but I sincerely think that SR admins are not giving the threat an high priority just for the silliness of the thing, nothing more. I'm sure that if they find proof that Ron Paul was indeed the one sending that Privnote they will ban him soon enough.
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thanks Princess here have a +1
BTW it seems pretty clear the FiniteSuss and RonPaul (the scammer) are one and the same!
Hey Astor, why hasn't RP been banned for making threats like this?
As I said, I have MUCH more in SR pm's!
Phew! :p
If you have threats sent from ron paul's account to yours tell the Silk Road administrator to look into it and the vendor sending threats will have their vending privileges revoked.
Libertas
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Lol, I would love for that to be said to me. I would have responded. "Please send those speed freaks. I will send you the pics of the leftovers of their empty shells of a body when I am finished. Plus, one of them will tell me who paid them before they got their torch extinguished. Better watch yourself, every day for the rest of your life."
I like to think of hypothetical situations lol.
+1 karma. Sounds very much like my twisted mind at work ;)
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I used to troll forums and facebook pages with a few friends. One of them was a sadistic little fuck who would say things like Ron Paul has said to you. It scares the shit out of someone who doesn't know whether or not they're serious, or capable. But it's the most unimaginative of trolling techniques and is mostly just reserved for whiny crybabies who don't know how to properly peeve someone off.
And SR staff is slow to respond to a lot of claims these days. The site's getting more and more traffic each day, each person with a new problem. But be persistent, if you're really worried. I never ordered from Ron Paul because anyone who sells drugs under a libertarian pseudonym (John Galt, for instance) is probably just a loud-mouth with half-thought out solutions to real problems.
Be calm, smoke a little grass, and keep reporting every so often. He'll get his.
Then again, maybe it is the REAL Ron Paul, in which case, you're fucked.
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Lol, I would love for that to be said to me. I would have responded. "Please send those speed freaks. I will send you the pics of the leftovers of their empty shells of a body when I am finished. Plus, one of them will tell me who paid them before they got their torch extinguished. Better watch yourself, every day for the rest of your life."
I like to think of hypothetical situations lol.
+1 karma. Sounds very much like my twisted mind at work ;)
+1 to you too. It is nice to a see some people are on the same page as me.
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On the other hand, motek, can you provide some chemistry consultation? :)
After seeing this topic and many other posts about ron paul (including opinions from other vendors), I don't think I will be consulting ron paul ever again.
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I used to troll forums and facebook pages with a few friends. One of them was a sadistic little fuck who would say things like Ron Paul has said to you. It scares the shit out of someone who doesn't know whether or not they're serious, or capable. But it's the most unimaginative of trolling techniques and is mostly just reserved for whiny crybabies who don't know how to properly peeve someone off.
And SR staff is slow to respond to a lot of claims these days. The site's getting more and more traffic each day, each person with a new problem. But be persistent, if you're really worried. I never ordered from Ron Paul because anyone who sells drugs under a libertarian pseudonym (John Galt, for instance) is probably just a loud-mouth with half-thought out solutions to real problems.
Be calm, smoke a little grass, and keep reporting every so often. He'll get his.
Then again, maybe it is the REAL Ron Paul, in which case, you're fucked.
To reaffirm this point, the easiest way to get over on someone is to intimidate. The very fact that SR is what it is, breeds the easy belief that anything said can be true. Fear is amazingly potent, and once theres even a sliver of it moving it into panic is only a matter of twisting the right button. We aren't in the DC/Marvel world - monologues don't happen in our reality. Threatening takes too long, and he already had your money... so, it's not economical for him to argue. As someone said before, this is the internet... there is no filter, and everyone thinks they're all that and a bag of potato chips. Since you've been here posting about this, I get the feeling you already know this, and you weren't actually scared you wanted to just rub a name in the dirt... because people that are afraid don't sit around long enough to watch a thread.
I don't want to take the opposite side in this, but the devils advocate side of me wants to reflect on the causal incident. If you purchase something, and turn around and say "this is bunk" there will undoubtedly be retaliation. Depending on the maturity of the way that you point out the bad product, it is entirely possible to have the volume turned up on both sides. Throwing the ape-shit psycho I'll gouge out your heart with a spoon might work for getting a refund for a subtly brick-filled ps3 at best buy, but here that probably won't fly. Was his response (if IS isn't right in the idea that you wrote it) inappropriate? Highly, and that comes with reprecussions on its own.
But smoke a bowl next time instead of doing a line before bitching the guy out, you might find the result going far more in your favor :)
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hi everyone and thans for the cool inputs ;)
Firstly, we dont REALLY give a fuck about this douchebag, and we too highly doubt he CAN do shit, let alone WILL do anything. PLUS he or ANYONE foolish enough to try this with me WILL get a nasty surprise. This I have told him.
However, there are some who dont have the same killer streak as I, and it's these folks that concern me. (e.g. my gf) Suffice to say ANYONE who fucks with her gets to regret it! :o
Secondly, we never bought anything from this guy, another member who did get burned by him sent us a copy. RP 'thought' we were bluffing! LMAO when I sent him a copy and then posted it here on the forum!
Look at the VERY FIRST LINE! would I be posting here if I didn't have a 'death wish' lol!?
The real 'problem' is this idiot (and all his alter egos) are a loose cannon, just like FiniteSuss and as such SHOULD be avoided, so we decided to 'share the love' with you all! he he!
We haven't been here all that long BUT we now clearly see the problem of not being 'honest' here, either with reviews or anything else!
When we first came we saw the shit this dude was peddling and HAD TO say something!
People get BADLY HURT fucking around with this stuff PLUS what he is selling HAS MANY errors or is very outdated!
Whatever happened to the Poopermachine who said he was "almost done" and "will be finished by the end of the month? (that was over a month ago?)
I'll tell you, he NEVER SUCCEEDED becoz IF he really was TRYING to follow RP/DDW's instructions he was destined to fail! "Make kilos of sick Shards?!" lol! Yeah..Right!
lol, here's some "sick shards!" ........... the ultimate shards!!! **clearnet warning** http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=423_1367215584
And the 'other' thing is his 'allegations' of being 'connected' to SR high command! Again, yeah right! BUT if we were SR admin we would be pretty pissed off with such slander (if that's what ir is) and would ban him a) coz he's obviously scamming people b) becoz we could shut this fools dangerous lies and hopefully save a few of the more naive peeps who actually believe this dude!
Man! the 26+ page thread where I disputed his chemistry had a LOT of his 'supporters' giving me shit and neg karma! IMO what was said there was 'self explanatory' however there's a lot of 'ambitious' people here who are dumb enough to put their fb page in their sig! Just trying to save a few of these fools (AND their neighbors!) from themselves!
Ah sooo many things to say, such poor typing skills!
Thanks everyone for the input. keep it coming.
m m m motek ;)
p.s gamma goblin pm me and we'll see what we can do, we like to help
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And the 'other' thing is his 'allegations' of being 'connected' to SR high command! Again, yeah right! BUT if we were SR admin we would be pretty pissed off with such slander (if that's what ir is) and would ban him a) coz he's obviously scamming people b) becoz we could shut this fools dangerous lies and hopefully save a few of the more naive peeps who actually believe this dude!
We cannot and would not silence someone simply because we might be "pissed off" with what they are saying! :o
a) There is no evidence of scamming.
b) You cannot silence someone because you disagree with them.
If they are scamming people, and those people report it and an investigation concludes that the claims are valid then the vendor will lose their vending privileges.
You state yourself that you have never even bought anything from this person, but received a copy of something they are selling second-hand. Vendors are free to sell anything that they wish as long as it does not fall under anything in the very small "restricted items" list - the vendor in question is selling guides, and members that buy it seem happy.
I just had a look and there is NO bad feedback on any of the guides on offer spanning the last 4 months, meaning that nobody - including the person you say sent you the guide - had reason to complain about it.
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I just had a look and there is NO bad feedback on any of the guides on offer spanning the last 4 months, meaning that nobody - including the person you say sent you the guide - had reason to complain about it.
Apparently this doesn't mean anything anymore since it has become clear that SR customers are afraid to give bad feedback for anything due to threats of blacklisting.
People claiming P Rex adderall in other threads to be bunk and I asked the same thing to the people complaining and all of them said the same thing - they gave 5/5 for fear of being blacklisted. How many other people might Ron Paul have threatened after they gave him a bad rating? Maybe he just threatens to kill everyone that does until he gets his fives.
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EXACTLY hoobydoobydoo EXACTLY!! + 100 bro ;)
"there is NO bad feedback on any of the guides on offer spanning the last 4 months, meaning that nobody - including the person you say sent you the guide - had reason to complain about it."
Actually Libertas, this member sent me a copy as he had been reading the RP/DDW thread after they HAD bought it AND discovered it was "unfeasable" and felt ripped off and was very happy to see us do what we did, and hence the support
AND, they asked me to keep them "out of it" as they WERE FEARFUL OF RETALIATION of sorts!! Exactly "what type" of retaliation IDK, suffoce to say they HAD BEEN INTIMIDATED by 'someone' and were very happy to see me take this wankers chemistry to task!
In fact it was this topic that inspried Ruthenium to start their 'Chemistry" page
I'd REALLY like to know how this dude HAS maintained his rating while selling unviable, incomprehensible chemistry 'guides'!!
It's pretty clear after 26-7 pages of "arguments" with RP/DDW in which NOBODY came forth and supported his "guides" ... even Poopermachine who said he WAS in the process of doing the mdma synth AND with ALL of RP's "consulting" FAILED MISERABLY!!!
IMO most, if not all of these people didn't want to been seen as the naive people they are/were, just like people wont admit to FE'ing as they'll cop the wrath of other members for doing so!
You may have noticed the reviews on his page are exremely simplistic, t
And there's NOT ONE that says "yeah, this worked as expected!" NOT ONE!
hmmmmmm motek ;)
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I just had a look and there is NO bad feedback on any of the guides on offer spanning the last 4 months, meaning that nobody - including the person you say sent you the guide - had reason to complain about it.
Apparently this doesn't mean anything anymore since it has become clear that SR customers are afraid to give bad feedback for anything due to threats of blacklisting.
People claiming P Rex adderall in other threads to be bunk and I asked the same thing to the people complaining and all of them said the same thing - they gave 5/5 for fear of being blacklisted. How many other people might Ron Paul have threatened after they gave him a bad rating? Maybe he just threatens to kill everyone that does until he gets his fives.
Perhaps, but we can only go on the evidence as it currently stands. The guides that ron paul sells are presumably not mailed as a textbook, but delivered in a digital format. It would then stand to reason that threatening to kill everyone that leaves him a bad rating would be a bit ridiculous as all he would have is their Silk Road username or an email address. ???
As for going on the blacklist, that is simply an informal list that vendors keep amongst themselves. Not every vendor checks it, nor does every vendor that does check it decide not to sell to the member that was blacklisted. At least ONE feedback would reflect low quality if low quality were the case here.
Libertas
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hi everyone and thans for the cool inputs ;)
Firstly, we dont REALLY give a fuck about this douchebag, and we too highly doubt he CAN do shit, let alone WILL do anything. PLUS he or ANYONE foolish enough to try this with me WILL get a nasty surprise. This I have told him.
Secondly, we never bought anything from this guy, another member who did get burned by him sent us a copy. RP 'thought' we were bluffing! LMAO when I sent him a copy and then posted it here on the forum!
Look at the VERY FIRST LINE! would I be posting here if I didn't have a 'death wish' lol!?
The real 'problem' is this idiot (and all his alter egos) are a loose cannon, just like FiniteSuss and as such SHOULD be avoided, so we decided to 'share the love' with you all! he he!
I'm confused.
What exactly was the point of your original post then? You had us debating on the premise that there was something wrong with a product you purchased, and that in claiming that there was something wrong the vendor threatened with rather violent intention, and that you wanted to bring this to light? Based on what you said above, not only did you not purchase something at all, but you posted the product (that he was selling) to the forums? And you expected him to react nicely to this?
It seems more like you were picking a fight with the intention to extort an irrational response. Based on this, how are we to even believe what your original posts claim, about what he said? Is that even truly what he said, or did you just paraphrase with your own emphasis?
Or, is this all ultimately a scam, to generate interest in your product verses RP's product, and attempt to drive business away from RP?
Apparently this doesn't mean anything anymore since it has become clear that SR customers are afraid to give bad feedback for anything due to threats of blacklisting.
People claiming P Rex adderall in other threads to be bunk and I asked the same thing to the people complaining and all of them said the same thing - they gave 5/5 for fear of being blacklisted. How many other people might Ron Paul have threatened after they gave him a bad rating? Maybe he just threatens to kill everyone that does until he gets his fives.
I'd agree with you normally, and partially still do, but to a certain extent I do restore some credibility to RP in light of motek's last post.
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I was suspended for threatening buyers via privnote. Yes, this is a true statement. Reread that Libertas 3 more times to make sure you can comprehend it.
Great, got it! :)
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Fantastic, we all have it! Thanks INFINITE IDIOT!!! :-*
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@ offbeatadam, I'm confused by your question :o
as I mentioned, 'we' haven't been doing this for that long and so we were interested to see wht other members thought about this.
"As I said ... "what WOULD you DO/"
As for being one of RP's shills! C'mon bro! Do you think Libertas and Co would lie about my complaints to them over a month ago? adam, really!
And if a thread like this helps expose other scammers (e.g. RP/DDW, FiniteSuss/coachella420 &co) isn't that a good thing?
Hmmmmm motek ???
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Perhaps, but we can only go on the evidence as it currently stands. The guides that ron paul sells are presumably not mailed as a textbook, but delivered in a digital format. It would then stand to reason that threatening to kill everyone that leaves him a bad rating would be a bit ridiculous as all he would have is their Silk Road username or an email address. ???
The OP clearly stated that Ron Paul offered a bounty to other vendors for his address.
As for going on the blacklist, that is simply an informal list that vendors keep amongst themselves. Not every vendor checks it, nor does every vendor that does check it decide not to sell to the member that was blacklisted. At least ONE feedback would reflect low quality if low quality were the case here.
It's irrelevant whether or not every vendor consults the blacklist. At the end of the day Motek is on it for no damn reason. This is unjust. You cannot justify it because you don't think many vendors use it. That's like the New York Times publishing something incorrect about you, some allegation that is incorrect. And then when you go to the ombudsman to have it removed they say "Ah sure not everyone in the world read the New York Time, so don't worry about it".
Motek is reaching out to admins for help and the only help he's getting is from regular members. I'm sure we give him support but does he feel reassured? Libertas, put yourself in Motek's position. Now please take this seriously.
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Thnks Sharon that's really cool of you to stand up for us, we REALLY appreciate your input. ;)
And you are absolutely correct when you call it a "bounty" tbh we hadn't thought about it this way! :o
We just had a PM fron SR admins and we replied with more information, and have asked them IF they ARE "interested' in resolving this bullshit?!
We will let you know what they have to say
At the end of the day, I may not be "too" concerned about this, HOWEVER IF this guys IS prepared to threaten me (and I'm NOT scared)
How many other people has he sent similar notes to WHEN THEY COMPLAIN that HIS GUIDES ARE SHIT?
This IS NOT just about me/us ... I started this thread becoz it's crystal clear there are some deadset scamming nimrods here, (like FiniteSuss and his 30 alter egos) and they DO THREATEN PEOPLE as you well know Libertas ... so why give these fuckers room to move?
THIS type of thing SHOULD NEVER OCCUR for ANY 'reason' and ANY vendor found to be threatening folks SHOULD be banned REGARDLESS!
Or do you SR crew "agree" with the like of FiniteSuss/AstonMarteenOfficial etc" when they say that THEY THINK it's OK!?
As I mentioned, I have much more info that I THOUGHT SR was goinng to ask me about ... but nope, at least not yet!!!
Hmmmmmm motek :o
P.S IF we stop posting for any extended period ... I would be most concerned and totally reconsider the OP and it's possibilities :o
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THIS type of thing SHOULD NEVER OCCUR for ANY 'reason' and ANY vendor found to be threatening folks SHOULD be banned REGARDLESS!
Or do you SR crew "agree" with the like of FiniteSuss/AstonMarteenOfficial etc" when they say that THEY THINK it's OK!?
I completely agree. I purchase on SR to avoid this kind of bullshit but if this is allowed then what's really the difference in security with buying from strangers on the street?
You cannot silence someone because you disagree with them.
At some point Libertas you need to draw a line in the sand. Condoning free speech is great but it loses it's merit when it turns into threats. Surely even the most liberal person can see why this is.
Also you keep pointing to lack of evidence, and Motek is clearly begging to give admins more evidence. He just wants your support and reassurance that you are looking into the issue.
Don't take this criticism personal Libertas. I say "you" to mean a collective "you admins" because you represent SR everytime you comment. I'm sure you get it.
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Motek,
I woke up and this AM, i HAD A PM from someone, a Member, subject title was SR ADMIN.. The username was something like Sr admin enforcement or some shit.. Claimed he was once a vendor but is now part of DPR's team of admins, and He knows i reported him for scamming months bak, and someother bullshit and , he has all 4 of my address, which i knew was a lie cause iv never used 4 address. Then goes on to say he is reporting my name to crime stoppers and DEA,
but if i dont want any issues transfer 5 grand over to him..LOL, Then he really fucked up and said, he knows where i stay in the UK an the detectives are watching me.. Well im not from nor even been from the UK, or ever order'd from there..
aND Only vendor i had it out with EVER! was that lame, Deathb4dishonor, who was a lier,scammer and all the above. I remember when the moron first started with H, he sent me some to try to tell him how it was, he claimed him and hes buddys were WRECKED off 10mg..LOL, then he went on to tell me it was #3, and had it listed that way for a week or so,
then i get it, and tell him, he's wrong and doesnt know his H, it was #4 and it took almost 150mg to feel muchof anything.. So he tells me he is getting some new stuff, and to thank me for letting him know it was #4, and not sellin the H as the wrong name, he was gonna send me more of better stuff,
I told him rite off, if your claiming 15mg gets u wrecked from this new stuff, im sure its just as bad as the other, well, he must not of had a Microscale cause he tells me hes sending .2 dude sent me Half a G, which was fine with me, and that time actually was some what better..
But as to the original topic, I have no clue what the motivations are behind this BS, I knw of 3 others that got wild msgs, with threats but just havent spoke of it on here,
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Thanks AA it's comforting (:o) that I;m not alone!!! lol!
It's just so fucked up imo, TSR is and can be such a good thing if we work together looking out for each other :)
Plus the quality of the posts is right up there with the best opinions/pov's of anything (amateur, so to speak) I've seen online! Very cool!
Like I said I'm not concerned BUT my dear sweet gf was a bit spun out until I explained how unlikely this happening would be
Plus the FACT we NEVER have anything delivered to where we live OR where we could be linked to ... I'd actually be impressed IF fuckwad found us!
BUT it's RP sooo I kinda doubt it! lol
I'm about to crash but thanks again for sharing that AA matey, much appreciated AND good for others to read as well, nice one and +1 to ya amigo
laters all
motek x ;)
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@ offbeatadam, I'm confused by your question :o
as I mentioned, 'we' haven't been doing this for that long and so we were interested to see wht other members thought about this.
"As I said ... "what WOULD you DO/"
As for being one of RP's shills! C'mon bro! Do you think Libertas and Co would lie about my complaints to them over a month ago? adam, really!
And if a thread like this helps expose other scammers (e.g. RP/DDW, FiniteSuss/coachella420 &co) isn't that a good thing?
Hmmmmm motek ???
No, I've no interest in the product so I don't really care either way. My question was purely on the legitimacy of the sought out argument in this case. I am going to quote from the first post you made, and then I am going to quote from the post that I have concerned myself with:
We recieved this privnote a few weeks back, we notified SR high command AND the mods here ...
THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING!
You direct us to the information in a private note, that was sent to you in regards to what was implied as a disagreement over a product. For most of the thread, we presumed this meant you purchased it, and you found the information contained within to be bogus. In addition, you further perpetrated the recent mod-bashing by enforcing an opinion that the mods did not care, either through neglect or through the inappropriate assumption that they can do anymore than contact the core admins of SR, and this was later adressed by libertas including an apology for not being 100% diligent in the informing of no progress being made. Now, lets go to the post that I care most about.
Firstly, we dont REALLY give a fuck about this douchebag, and we too highly doubt he CAN do shit, let alone WILL do anything. PLUS he or ANYONE foolish enough to try this with me WILL get a nasty surprise. This I have told him.
However, there are some who dont have the same killer streak as I, and it's these folks that concern me. (e.g. my gf) Suffice to say ANYONE who fucks with her gets to regret it!
Secondly, we never bought anything from this guy, another member who did get burned by him sent us a copy. RP 'thought' we were bluffing! LMAO when I sent him a copy and then posted it here on the forum!
This is only selecting the bulk top portion of the post. You did three things here. For one, you basically blatantly stated that your furious attempt at drawing out RP on a private note that was sent in anger were unfounded - that you didn't care, and you intentionally came here to specifically rub RP's face in the dirt over a private note scuffle.
Then, you make sure to inform us that "Anyone foolish enough to try this with me will get a nasty surprise. This I have told him." This is the same threat that you claim RP made towards you. It may not be specific, but it is hardly innocent. If you had left it here, it could have been easily implied that you were just standing up for something, but then you went on to claim that others don't have the same "killer streak" as you, and that you will avenge anyone who fucks with your girlfriend. This is nice bravado, but all you are doing is the same mindless insult that you claimed he had in the first post - you are threatening. This is quite the turn from your prior stance in the thread.
Now, the final point, which is the one that draws the most concern to me, is the final one you made. You never bought anything from RP, it was given to you by another member. Since we are to understand that this is RP's chemistry product, we already know that this is a tangible, non-parishable product. You further claim that you then personally went to RP, and threatened in regards to what you considered a bunk product. Then, you enacted this threat, which we now know was to send him a copy of the product that you did not purchase, did not pay for, and had no right owning outside of the fact that another member who DID pay for it gave it TO you for free. Then, you not only did not stop there, but you put this product, that RP is selling, up for grabs out of spite.
Since all of the "evidence" regarding RP's threatening towards you is in a non-evidentiary privnote that is gone with the wind, all we are left with now is to focus on what is discussed in this post. Do you really not understand why someone would be livid over this? This is not the way you deal with a product you disagree with. You've sabotaged his business, and you've already made it clear that you are also in the "market" as a learning source for chemistry.
Is it really that difficult to understand how I could come to a conclusion that you did this to boost your own sales?
That is my question in a nutshell. There are those that came to your defense in this thread, and tried to help, Libertas included. After this thread though, I have to question the validity of any of the statements you made, up to and including the very private note that you claim as evidence of real life information retention & planned assault. With the above information, this now looks more like libel than anything else.
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Perhaps, but we can only go on the evidence as it currently stands. The guides that ron paul sells are presumably not mailed as a textbook, but delivered in a digital format. It would then stand to reason that threatening to kill everyone that leaves him a bad rating would be a bit ridiculous as all he would have is their Silk Road username or an email address. ???
The OP clearly stated that Ron Paul offered a bounty to other vendors for his address.
Yes, and the OP cannot provide evidence of this; the majority of the things that were allegedly said seem to have been sent via Privnote. If that is the case and there is no evidence to go on, then there is nothing that can be done. If ron paul sent messages to other vendors looking for motek's address, those messages will be found if/when an investigation takes place.
As for going on the blacklist, that is simply an informal list that vendors keep amongst themselves. Not every vendor checks it, nor does every vendor that does check it decide not to sell to the member that was blacklisted. At least ONE feedback would reflect low quality if low quality were the case here.
It's irrelevant whether or not every vendor consults the blacklist. At the end of the day Motek is on it for no damn reason. This is unjust. You cannot justify it because you don't think many vendors use it. That's like the New York Times publishing something incorrect about you, some allegation that is incorrect. And then when you go to the ombudsman to have it removed they say "Ah sure not everyone in the world read the New York Time, so don't worry about it".
Motek is reaching out to admins for help and the only help he's getting is from regular members. I'm sure we give him support but does he feel reassured? Libertas, put yourself in Motek's position. Now please take this seriously.
Vendors are free to discuss things amongst themselves if they wish - that is their right under the freedom of speech that is guaranteed here for all. Have you got access to the Vendor Roundtable? Do you know that motek is indeed on the blacklist? ??? I wasn't justifying it because many vendors don't use it, I justified it by the fact that vendors are entitled to freedom of speech just like the rest of us. Many buyers keep lists of vendors that they will not buy from, and post threads in the Rumor Mill saying "don't buy from Vendor X for such and such a reason" - should we infringe on their right to say that because it is 'unjust'?
This is a free and open community - the New York Times is a private, closed-ended business. The two cannot be compared as equals.
If motek has an issue he has been told to bring it up with administrators, and presumably he has done so. He messaged me before regarding this and I sent it up the chain but heard nothing back. He knows that there is nothing we can do from the forums as we do not have access to the administrative sections of the main site. Therefore, it is entirely up to the administrators to look into, and for them to communicate their findings to motek. Before you tell me to "take this seriously", please research the history of the situation.
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@ offbeatadam ... NO you DID NOT "presume" you ASSUMED!
BIG difference!! You are making assumptions based on a VERY small part of this story!
Go read the RP/DDW thread BEFORE you go off half cocked!
As for me defending my girl IF some dickwad were to hassle or TRY to hurt her! You wouldn't protect YOUR partner?
Oh, you probably dont have one, so you wouldn't understand this concept of 'looking out' for AND where possible, protecting my friend and lovers!!
whatev's dude ... you sound like one of his supporters ... picking on a few points instead of the whole picture. Like I said, read the thread BEFORE making poor assumptions like you have!
@ Libertas, you KNOW I HAVE OFFERED to send you and SR admin a number of other pm's OR you can look at my account directly.
BUT NO! No one has asked me to provide them!! As you know Lib, I didn't just come up with this issue a few days ago!
Hopefully SR high command WILL ask to see them ... they include the pm's from the vendor which are 2 MONTHS old!
I didn't start this thread to have senseless arguments with anyone! And many of the responses have been great, and I thank their posters
time for breeakfast
motek
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@ offbeatadam ... NO you DID NOT "presume" you ASSUMED!
BIG difference!! You are making assumptions based on a VERY small part of this story!
Go read the RP/DDW thread BEFORE you go off half cocked!
As for me defending my girl IF some dickwad were to hassle or TRY to hurt her! You wouldn't protect YOUR partner?
Oh, you probably dont have one, so you wouldn't understand this concept of 'looking out' for AND where possible, protecting my friend and lovers!!
whatev's dude ... you sound like one of his supporters ... picking on a few points instead of the whole picture. Like I said, read the thread BEFORE making poor assumptions like you have!
@ Libertas, you KNOW I HAVE OFFERED to send you and SR admin a number of other pm's OR you can look at my account directly.
BUT NO! No one has asked me to provide them!! As you know Lib, I didn't just come up with this issue a few days ago!
Hopefully SR high command WILL ask to see them ... they include the pm's from the vendor which are 2 MONTHS old!
I didn't start this thread to have senseless arguments with anyone! And many of the responses have been great, and I thank their posters
time for breeakfast
motek
Read my original posts in this thread. I came to your defense. I was here, defending you. I supported you. I took no ill will against you, and I did take it against RP. Why would I have started on your side in this thread, if I was a RP supporter? I think you need to take some of your own advice bud. I have read all three threads, I have been watching them all for the entire time I've been here today. Choosing to post in one, does not mean I've ignored the other two.
Listen to me. And listen well. It is difficult for supporters to continue supporting the irrational. If you continue down the road of irrational fighting, you will lose even the supporters that have been around you this entire time. You are taking everything personal. Stop. Cool off. Go back, and read your posts in each thread. Read over them, and compare them to everyone elses. You are not only becoming more erradic, but the bulk of your posts are drifting from primarily scientific debate to personal defense. This is not the sign of someone that will garner support for their cause. You, and no one else, are causing the posts that are no longer in your favor. You're doing it to yourself. Why are you attacking me, when I merely questioned you and asked for you to explain why these discrepancies exist? I've not argued the basis for your disagreement. I do not argue the validity of your claims. I'm not going to. I am merely questioning your intent. I quoted the same text for you twice. You said it YOURSELF. I did not fabricate any of the information I used to QUESTION the purpose of this thread. I used your own words. If you cannot defend it against someone who supported you, how on earth can you expect to garner support from those that don't?
I merely stated that you took a route to say that you had a "killer instinct" and threw around meaningless weight towards the fact. Defense of a partner doesn't require mindless bravado or ineffective showmanship, no more than the same contained in RP's private note. I don't know RP, I don't care. I came to this thread and early on defended you, and in reading a post you stated in series, the defense that I stated was put in question by myself and no one else. I am questioning WHY I came to your defense, based upon the information that I am now provided BY you. I could throw around silly verbs about my cock or how many guns I have in a shed, but why? Is this really necessary? It doesn't matter to me one bit, you're damned right you should defend your partner - it's implied. There is no NEED to state that you will, as it is ASSUMED that any individual would come to the rescue of their significant other. To not do so, implies a heartless individual. It is, for the most part, just padded information to try and look tough. Who gives a shit.
Look at my post. Am I resulting to shouting? Am I picking apart every little piece that is negative about you, and using this as my only argument? No. I admire that you would protect your partner. The majority of my posts in this thread are FOR your defense. But with your recent posts in all three of the threads now, you are doing nothing but harm to your argument.
If you want to take this another route, then fine, but remember that even in scientific discussion you will face those who will question your theories left and right. This is science. It would not be science if it were not for cricism. If you want to argue the validity of a paper dealing with the mechanics of organic compound synthesis, resulting to personal details is not science. None of that belongs in such a discussion.
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@offbeatadam ... dude if you want to defeend me in one post and attack me in another, I have little to say to your belligerence, and I wont be debating this with you as you are VERY un-informed, and using 'half truths' to justify your opinion, for that's ALL it is, your "opinion" whereas I've based my comments on the facts. Simple :o.
As far as you being "on RP's side" did you read where I mentioned I had a few vendors OFFER me FREE drugs?
Vendors who claimed I had pm'd them in the past (which I had not) vendors who have been on TSR for almost a year!
Vendors who are either, RP himself, OR, have been offered the "bounty" for providing details. No doubt in an attempt to get my addy!
When you take ALL these things into consideration, you sound a LOT like many of the peeps who for reasons unknown, support him and his "guides"
EVEN THOUGH it's very clear they are effectively useless, as the 27 page thread asking for people who had had success with his "guides" ... NO ONE answered in the affirmative! NO ONE!
as well as the FACT I HAVE offered SR admin ALL the relevant pm's BUT they haven't (yet?) asked for them!
Why not?
Dude, you need to check your facts! Like I suggested, why dont you go and read the thread that starteed this in the first place,, my reasoning for posting is repeated several times throughout it
WHY would a random member send me the synths IF they thought they were valid?
Becoz they aren't viable for the people RP/DDW says WILL be able to DO this stuff "with NO special equipment" etc. which IS bullshit!
I have also seen his LSD synth ... and it too is FAR beyond anyone without a good grounding in Ochem.
He doesn't even MENTION which compound is supposed to be used as a feedstock! (it's LSA But that word is never said ANYWHERE throughout his "guide" !! :o)
HOW the fuck are the people who buy them "supposed to know" that? Esp IF they have no Ochem experience? (dont try and answer this Q OBA, you cant, it's rhetorical, go read the thread)
I couldnt do it, most certainly not following these instructions, and I honestly doubt anyone without a VERY decent home lab could pull this off!
as I've said several times,
"If/when SR admin ask, I WILL provide them with MORE EVIDENCE" BUT they haven't requested anything at all, even after I HAD offered!
Anyhow
I've better things to talk about, I'm not here to debate, I came here to "state" what happened. IF you dont 'believe' me, fine, I really dont care, this thread has been productive anyway, without your input,
Hmmmm motek
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@offbeatadam ... dude if you want to defeend me in one post and attack me in another, I have little to say to your belligerence, and I wont be debating this with you as you are VERY un-informed, and using 'half truths' to justify your opinion, for that's ALL it is, your "opinion" whereas I've based my comments on the facts. Simple :o.
Fact: Did you, or did you not, say this:
Secondly, we never bought anything from this guy, another member who did get burned by him sent us a copy. RP 'thought' we were bluffing! LMAO when I sent him a copy and then posted it here on the forum!
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We recieved this privnote a few weeks back, we notified SR high command AND the mods here ...
THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING!
What would YOU DO if you recieved this in a pm?
"I'd like you to know that if you do not immediately stop posting, I will have you killed. plain and simple.
2 of the developers of silk road are actually partners of my partners, they have agreed to give me every single name and address you have used on SR. They have told me that you sometimes use multiple addresses.
I have a lot of industrial speed production partners in australia, and have decided instead of buying one high quality private detective/hitter, I will just pay for a gang of speed freaks to rape and kill you. They said that they will gangbang you even if it is old nasty pussy, they dont care.
You think that your address is deleted after the vendor places the order?
Well let me tell you, SR is backed up every single day and there is no encryption between you and the seller.
All the dev has to do is scan through the backups until they get to the day that you ordered, and your address will be in your current order.
The have database backups of SR for the last year+ and have a very advanced script made to go back and look through it for various reasons.
You know why the mods told you I was banned when I wasn't?
Because they are working with me and just want you to shut up.
So: if you post a single thread about me or if I hear from the mods/devs that you are trying to report me again, I will send my partners partner 10k for all of the addresses, and I will send the speed freaks another 4k to make sure that this is more expensive for you than it is for me.
You can try your luck, maybe only your friends who get your packages will be hurt, theres a chance you can get away, is it worth it to you? It wont hurt me to spend the money, they promised to send me pictures of you before and after so I consider it an entertainment expense. But I would rather you just dissapeared and I can keep this money, your choice".
This note has been destroyed, so if you want to keep its content, you must copy it before closing this page.
From Ron Paul .... he says we fucked his business! wtf!?
LOL
speed freaks
rape and kill you
hahahahahaahahaha omg MY SIDES!!!HAHAHAHA
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Vendors are free to discuss things amongst themselves if they wish - that is their right under the freedom of speech that is guaranteed here for all. Have you got access to the Vendor Roundtable? Do you know that motek is indeed on the blacklist? ??? I wasn't justifying it because many vendors don't use it, I justified it by the fact that vendors are entitled to freedom of speech just like the rest of us. Many buyers keep lists of vendors that they will not buy from, and post threads in the Rumor Mill saying "don't buy from Vendor X for such and such a reason" - should we infringe on their right to say that because it is 'unjust'?
This is a rhetorical question, so I'm not going to attempt to answer it because you already know the answer. You inferred something that I never said; I never said that blacklisting should be disabled for all vendors. Just for this vendor in this situation because it has no substance to blacklist someone because they didn't comply with your threat.
Allow me to ask again, where do you draw the line between freedom of speech and threats/ blackmail?
Before you tell me to "take this seriously", please research the history of the situation.
I've been messaging motek personally and have been investigating the whole situation for myself, which apparently he hasn't been asked for details by any member of staff. Therefore I am one step above you in the research. I'm neither an admin or a forum moderator but I'm a concerned member of the community.
Again, nothing personal here. You (Libertas) do the best job that you can given the responsibility that you have. But again I use the collective "you" as in staff assessing the situation. Thanks for your replies thus far.
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Vendors are free to discuss things amongst themselves if they wish - that is their right under the freedom of speech that is guaranteed here for all. Have you got access to the Vendor Roundtable? Do you know that motek is indeed on the blacklist? ??? I wasn't justifying it because many vendors don't use it, I justified it by the fact that vendors are entitled to freedom of speech just like the rest of us. Many buyers keep lists of vendors that they will not buy from, and post threads in the Rumor Mill saying "don't buy from Vendor X for such and such a reason" - should we infringe on their right to say that because it is 'unjust'?
This is a rhetorical question, so I'm not going to attempt to answer it because you already know the answer. You inferred something that I never said; I never said that blacklisting should be disabled for all vendors. Just for this vendor in this situation because it has no substance to blacklist someone because they didn't comply with your threat.
Allow me to ask again, where do you draw the line between freedom of speech and threats/ blackmail?
I did not make any inferences, I said what I did in order to justify my position and the position of Silk Road that vendors are entitled to keep a blacklist if they so choose, just as buyers are entitled to keep a blacklist. It is an informal list - not something supported by Silk Road. We do not limit people's freedom of speech so there is nothing that we can do in this instance regardless of whether one or more people have an entirely subjective view on whether or not a vendor adding a buyer's username to the blacklist constitutes a threat / blackmail.
To answer your question, it is not my place to draw the line between freedom of speech and threats / blackmail in regard to a vendor blacklist of troublesome usernames. Neither of you know whether motek's username is on that list or not meaning that you are basing your entire argument on an assumption.
Before you tell me to "take this seriously", please research the history of the situation.
I've been messaging motek personally and have been investigating the whole situation for myself, which apparently he hasn't been asked for details by any member of staff. Therefore I am one step above you in the research. I'm neither an admin or a forum moderator but I'm a concerned member of the community.
Again, nothing personal here. You (Libertas) do the best job that you can given the responsibility that you have. But again I use the collective "you" as in staff assessing the situation. Thanks for your replies thus far.
What motek says is one thing - what is actually provable is another. I'm not calling motek a liar, but I am stating that you cannot take forum PM's as being factual because they are simply re-posts of other information; that information is easily edited before it is sent on.
I am a forum moderator and I have sent the issue up the chain, receiving no response. I did my part, doing as much as I could to ensure that it was seen by an administrator, but it is up to motek to communicate with SR Support regarding this. SR Support are experiencing backlogs dealing with messages so if he has not yet been asked for details by any member of the support staff there is nothing that I can do.
I appreciate that you are speaking in a general sense, but your comment "Now please take this seriously." was quite clearly directed at me given the sentence before it was: "Libertas, put yourself in Motek's position." If there is an issue with staff addressing the situation, that issue should be taken up with the staff that have responsibility for it.
Libertas
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You still haven't answered my question but thanks anyway.
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You still haven't answered my question but thanks anyway.
I believe I did:
To answer your question, it is not my place to draw the line between freedom of speech and threats / blackmail in regard to a vendor blacklist of troublesome usernames.
To elaborate on your question:
Allow me to ask again, where do you draw the line between freedom of speech and threats/ blackmail?
I follow Silk Road policy. I cannot simply "draw the line between freedom of speech and threats/blackmail" as it is a complex issue. Threats are defined as anything that may give a member reasonable cause to fear for their safety or personal information. If it can be proven that a vendor has threatened a buyer then their vending privileges will be stripped. This does not yet seem to be the case and the claims of it occurring are something that it is up to SR Support to investigate.
Blackmail is defined here as any action taken by one party in order to induce a desired effect contrary to the wishes of the other party. If such blackmail occurred via Silk Road PM then it will be found should an investigation take place. Stating on a vendor profile that a buyer's username may be added to the vendor blacklist unless a 5/5 is given etc. can not be considered 'blackmail' as - by placing an order with that vendor - the buyer is agreeing to the terms and conditions outlined on the vendor's page.
Libertas
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Ive already offered DW moteks address and I have the pms to prove that of motek talking about arrangements for a certain item to be shipped to AUS.
DW basically told me to leave her alone in a way that made me think he genuinely feels sorry for her.
Anyway youd think the mods wouldnt let her go all slanderous over many many threads on a good vendor, but who really cares I guess, its good entertainment.
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Anyway youd think the mods wouldnt let her go all slanderous over many many threads on a good vendor, but who really cares I guess, its good entertainment.
Moderators can not delete posts or threads unless they are scams, spam, or endanger someone ... so there's nothing we can do.
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aside from this being both scam and spam, I think its clear the mods can, will, and have deleted anything they want.
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The one question people fail to ask here is, "who has a motive?"
I think that's pretty clear!
As for "WeSaySo" saying he "ALREADY OFFERED THE ADDRESS TO RP" suggests he is a vendor who HAS dealt with motek! Or would a troll bother to come in as a guest with such comments?
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aside from this being both scam and spam, I think its clear the mods can, will, and have deleted anything they want.
Says the guy who just deleted his own entire account. :\
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offbeatadams said
Read my original posts in this thread. I came to your defense. I was here, defending you. I supported you. I took no ill will against you, and I did take it against RP. Why would I have started on your side in this thread, if I was a RP supporter?
Where did you start off on his side?
This is the first post of yours that I can find on this thread and in it you said…
.1. Since you've been here posting about this, I get the feeling you already know this, and you weren't actually scared you wanted to just rub a name in the dirt... because people that are afraid don't sit around long enough to watch a thread.
2“I don't want to take the opposite side in this, but the devils advocate side of me …
3But smoke a bowl next time instead of doing a line before bitching the guy out, you might find the result going far more in your favor
In the first part I you’re discrediting his motive for his OP.
In the second you go straight to playing ‘devil’s advocate’….in other words taking the opposite point of view.
In the third you're offensively patronising the guy.
Do me a favour mate…don’t ever weigh in on an argument on my side!
You try to come of as the reasonable and rational guy but then you say….
Then, you enacted this threat, which we now know was to send him a copy of the product that you did not purchase, did not pay for, and had no right owning outside of the fact that another member who DID pay for it gave it TO you for free. Then, you not only did not stop there, but you put this product, that RP is selling, up for grabs out of spite.
So according to you when somebody buys something and becomes the legitimate owner then freely gives it a second person that second person doesn’t have a right to own it.
So who can confer ownership?
(I must have a lot of gifts that I don’t actually own).
Then you take issue with the fact that motek (who in my view does actually own the document) publishes it (no copywrite infringements broken here).
So what..... in his view it’s bunk and he’s preventing others from being scammed!
Secondly you seem surprised that his motive might also be to get one up on a competitor.
Welcome to the real world…is this your first visit?
I’ve read this thread twice with an actual unbiased eye and if you started off backing a pony in this race…well it clearly wasn’t motek.
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Man I've never herd such attention seeking stupidity in all my life are you enjoying yourself motek next time why not try and write a letter to yourself ha ha ha ha ha joke just ignore such stupidity I mean anyone reading it can clearly see it's just a joke from a lonely attention seeker chee whizz man
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Why is that same trolling assholes keep popping up in EVERY thread I visit??
And yeah I wouldn't sweat this shit at all Mo. And if this is true Ron Paul sounds like a total fucking joke of a vendor.
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thanks GR and P1 I appreciate the support. It's clear you guys get from I've been trying to say, and if I can get the message out a bit and help the communtiy .. good! :)
As for fakeboso, lol I think you might have a stalker on the forums P1 matey! :o lol .. I wouldn't sweat it bro, youve got lots of friends and supporters here bro. You makes good interesting and informative posts much of the time, punctuted with help and humor! Bro I like your style .. and hey ho today I can give you another +1 although you deserve about a +10 imo ;)
Take it easy all
m m m motek x
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thanks GR and P1 I appreciate the support. It's clear you guys get from I've been trying to say, and if I can get the message out a bit and help the communtiy .. good! :)
As for fakeboso, lol I think you might have a stalker on the forums P1 matey! :o lol .. I wouldn't sweat it bro, youve got lots of friends and supporters here bro. You makes good interesting and informative posts much of the time, punctuted with help and humor! Bro I like your style .. and hey ho today I can give you another +1 although you deserve about a +10 imo ;)
Take it easy all
m m m motek x
Cheers Mo' thanks mate!! This shits nearly unbelievable though!! Who would make this shit up?
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So as I understand it this has been brought to the attention of the admins and they will be investigating the allegations being made, if proof of rule breaking is discovered then action will be taken against the vendor concerned.
motek please just deal directly with the admin team now you have raised this in an open forum, anyone else who has experienced issues will I am sure now come forward however everything else in this thread is pointless drama as all it does is invite anyone with an uninformed opinion to have their say.
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Yes SS I agree, I've made my point and had many good responses and the support was appreciated.
Anyway the message was put out there and since I started this thread, I've been in correspondence with SR support who tell me these things can take some time but that they are still looking into it
And there's been some very good discussion on it and I thank most of you for your input
Anyway I think this thread has served it's purpose and maybe it's time it was put to bed :o
Thanks again all, it was quality read! :o
m m m motek ;)
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Hope you get a line drawn under this soon motek.
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Yes, SSS me too! I just wonder why SR admin havent asked me for more information?
They say the can see all my pm's which are quite damning in themselves! Go figure?
I know that would have gone about this scenarios rather differently than they had!
You know, if you do a search here on the main page for "threats" there ar 17 pages of posts containing the word, most of which are related to vendors making them to buyers!
I cant see where threats from ANYONE, are "ok" to make! IMO ANY vendor or buyer alike should NOT be making ANY threats here, regardless of the "reason"
This is not the place for such things and should be moderated accordingly, we are ALL effectively "on the wrong side of the law" and do not need a so called 'peers' becoming their 'enemies!'
And ANYONE that does so, vendor OR buyer, SHOULD BE BANNED immediately!
Anyway, we've made our point and if you want to delete this thread SS, feel free as it's served it's purpose
Part of motek is pretty sick at the moment, and may not see out the end of the year,
kind regards all who commented and/or offered their support, it was appreciated
m m m motek ;)
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Seeing this thread is what made me decide to bring me threat i was sent to the attention, I just brushed it off at first, responded with a "FU AN FUK OFF" to the suppose -SR ADMIN ENFORCER- LOL..
But i figured the community needed to knw, we have new kids, and new members all the time that join up, dont bother to read vendor profiles, or the forums, and could easly fall victim to BS from a Vendor, or just some loser who was dumb enuff to make an account and try to scare someone to send them money..
Good Job IMO Motek, ALLways been a Supporter of yours!
btw this is off subject, But admins, an we (The community) have a vote to kick Fakeboss's ass of these threads? LOL, or keep him FULL TIME AN make it where he is stuck in the "Newbie section'? lol.. The guy is annoying as hell!! not to mention seems to choose random members to follow and stalk, also vendors..lol
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I haven't read the whole thread, but if the guy was serious, then he would be able to provide you with some of the information that would have been private, such as your address or your SR password.
I'd tell him to come up with the info or eat shit and die.
Plus I can't wait for the day for someone to come knocking at my door.... a 40 caliber winchester is waiting for him.
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Wow powerful words from the faceless man. Seems like the internet in a nutshell nowadays.
But really, scout already clarified the issue. The guy is not affiliated with the SR Admins, and nobody is going to waste 14K to come a murder you or your friends. As long as you've taken the proper security precautions you're a-ok.
It's obviously just some douche bag that had nothing better to do, and sounds like he was probably a little sped up when he wrote that (aka tweaker-speak, i'm from the MW). I wouldn't worry if I were you. I'd probably talk some more shit to see what kind of other crazy things I could get him to say. But hey, that's just me.
Maybe you should let Karma get him? Karma is a dish best served with hummus
i wouldnt be so sure that someone wouldnt waste 14k to knock someone they dont like!!! some people live for that shit!!! there would be people out there who would spend 50k to knock someone off here it just depends on how angry and how much money the individual has!!
anything is possible i believe!!!
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surely im not the only person who thinks this way!!!!
people kill people for nothing all the fucking time
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Id like to use this opportunity to threaten all of you!
with 5 free 25c-NBOMe tabs http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/d77446f14b
and next week
I threaten to offer all of you 1$ REAL XANAX BARS !!!!
*****************SiLo
hehe