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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: coglac on May 23, 2013, 03:44 pm
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So I was reading another thread about how a long time vendors stealth was sub par. I have had this problem a few times with long time vendors, I hate when I open package and feel like I got lucky. I like opening them and being like fuck ya no problems here and feeling confident. I want people to be tougher on feedback for everyone's safety. So if you have gotten a pack from a vendor and said fuck ya I'm not even worried about that getting stopped throw his name on the list.
I'll throw on nod and TheBudFather and Mahakala!
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Nice idea for tread but this need be divided for categories of the product
its not same if some vendor send pills or KG's of weed
just my 2 cents
:)
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BlueGiraffe. Buy from him just to see the beauty of it (his cheapest order is B$0.45 including shipping).
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I don't think it needs to be divided up it would be a good place for people to skim through and see what vendors are taking their customers safety seriously. Perhaps just add what the vendor sells next to it or what your ordered.
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primeroll! :P
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Good idea for a thread.
Reich's stealth is absolutely brilliant in my opinion. Really goes the extra mile on it, I never have to worry when ordering from him. (K, MDMA, MXE not sure what else he sells or has sold).
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Changing to protect the not so innocent from the terribly guilty.
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Jesus Fucking Christ NO.
A list of vendors with excellent sealing materials? Awesome. A list of vendors with the best (ie: probably disguised, not simply nondescript) stealth? No fucking way. It takes ONE order from ONE cop to discover the packaging of any vendor on the site. Again, not a big deal if it's simply plain wrapping, but something distinctive but deceptive? Why paint a target on the best dealers like that?
Please don't do this.
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Lock this thread immediately - do not put sellers at risk
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Jesus Fucking Christ NO.
A list of vendors with excellent sealing materials? Awesome. A list of vendors with the best (ie: probably disguised, not simply nondescript) stealth? No fucking way. It takes ONE order from ONE cop to discover the packaging of any vendor on the site. Again, not a big deal if it's simply plain wrapping, but something distinctive but deceptive? Why paint a target on the best dealers like that?
Please don't do this.
I completely agree with oldtoby. Feel free to list vendors with excellent sealing materials, but do not discuss the vendors with the best stealth - it puts vendors and their shipping methods at risk.
This is a free forum and you may discuss any topic you see fit to discuss, but if it describes shipping methods in any way that can threaten the security of vendor's packages it will be locked and the offending posts will be edited.
Which vendors have the best stealth is a purely subjective matter, but I would strongly advise against posting such opinions in order to protect the security of the vendors in question.
Libertas
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I totally agree, Some things that we want to talk about are just better left unsaid in a public forum that LE can access. I agree with the concept of this being a free forum and we should be able to talk about what ever, but in the interest of the longevity of this wonderful place and everything that goes with it we do need to be restricted on certain topics. and this subject is a very important key to this whole puzzle and we don't want to make a whole shit load of copies!!!! In this biz good innovative Ideas are Important and once they are well known then they are no longer effective and new ones must be born. no need to speed that process up.
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I totally agree, Some things that we want to talk about are just better left unsaid in a public forum that LE can access. I agree with the concept of this being a free forum and we should be able to talk about what ever, but in the interest of the longevity of this wonderful place and everything that goes with it we do need to be restricted on certain topics. and this subject is a very important key to this whole puzzle and we don't want to make a whole shit load of copies!!!! In this biz good innovative Ideas are Important and once they are well known then they are no longer effective and new ones must be born. no need to speed that process up.
2 Thumbs Up Bro, well put! ;D
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Sorry I was not encouraging anyone to talk about packing methods only vendors who do not ship in an irresponsible manner. Sorry if people took it as anything other than that.
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I didn't see anyone posting details. Maybe I missed something.
For the sake of not remaining ignorant, how does this put the vendors listed in danger?
Was going to list my favorite, but don't want to fuck with his safety.
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Anyways I think it should be wiser to make a list of irresponsible vendors rather than stealthy ones, since basic "stealth" should apply to everyone. At least for the most popular "smelly" products like weed, coke, lsd and mdma, IMHO a basic checklist could be like this:
Type of shipping
[ ] domestic [ ] international
[ ] standard envelope
[ ] suspicious/nonstandard envelope
smell protection layers:
[ ] none
[ ] vac seal
[ ] mylar
[ ] MBB
visual protection
[ ] this is drug and I'm attaching the invoice too
[ ] none
[ ] normal
Of course this should only apply to bad vendors, since good vendors should have at least standard envelope, vac/mylar protection (depending on type of product) and normal visual protection (again, relative).
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Ahh...I see. LE will look at vendors on an amazing stealth list and then target those vendors; making things t too easy for them. My blonde must have been surfacing.
Anyways,
on a 1-10 scale(10 being bad) how bad is a hand-written label, written in pencil on an international package(box)? And if it's an "in c/o" name, how bad is it if the vendor messes up and writes "John Doe in c/o John Doe"? Seems that would be 2 flags, but I am still studying how these things work.
And I didn't see an option for boxes listed in the survey; skipping those for meow?
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That would be about a 9 :o
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Semi-related question, how can vendors properly stealth large amounts of canniboids? I know you can't give out specifics, so use your better judgement but I just don't see how you can move that much weed stealthily. I want to order a quarter of hash but if it rocks up in a vacuum sealed bag inside a brown envelope I wouldn't be real impressed, seems like that would be one second under the x-ray and they'd know what it was, smell proof or no and I'm really not interested in getting my address tagged over some weed.
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How much is much to you? QP's shouldn't be an issue for top members imo
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I dunno, I guess I'd have to just risk it w/ an order to get my head around how the stealth works for something that isn't powder. No more than a QP ever though, that's for sure. I'm no dealer. Just seems like if you can't stop someone from moving a QP of bulky, smelly weed through the mail then why do they even bother.
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they bother to put fear into the rest, so they don't try to step out of line?
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You can MOST DEFINITELY get MANY, MANY QP's through the mail. And yes... all at once even. Have been on the sending and receiving end of quite a few large packages in the last 4-5 years, 98-99% of the time everything is fine. I wouldn't really worry about it, if it has worked for other buyers and the vendor seems responsible I'd imagine you could get pretty much whatever you want shipped. Letting yourself receive a larger pack is a different story however, and that much only you know. Best of luck with however it works out. BTW best stealth I have seen came from JoR. Truly pretty impressive.
Note to all: If you haven't already, order something from one of the vendors known for truly good stealth. Doing so not only rewards the vendor for setting the bar in terms of shipping safety, but also makes you a more responsible buyer. Obviously don't share with people other's methods but knowledge is power in more ways than one.
Best of luck to all.
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Thanks for the tip, I've been planning to try JoR out, I'll make sure my next order comes from them.
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We shouldn't really reveal any packaging methods in my opinion.. but JoR is just fucking amazing ! :)
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We shouldn't really reveal any packaging methods in my opinion.. but JoR is just fucking amazing ! :)
I completely agree. However, I see nothing wrong with stating those vendors who you have used that have always had excellent stealth and packaging methods. Along with those that you have used and have no confidence in.
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Way to put good vendors on blast guys. If anything, we should be compiling a list of vendors who SUCK at stealth *cough cough* Indian Sellers *Cough Cough*
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Please dont mention the way the pack looks or anything related just recommend whos stealth is good. and remember the enemy is listening!!!
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Agree with the above posts that nothing should be revealed. Use your heads and be safe everyone!
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I don't understand how saying that "Vendor such and such has good stealth" is unsafe.
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Well you can complement some vendors for their stealth i think it's cool and important . but shouldn't reveal the packaging methods they use.
Like the custom can't really tell from which vendor the delivery came it's not a problem to complement a vendor for hes stealth.. but if you say exactly how it been packed the feds will know where to look ;D
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Semi-related question, how can vendors properly stealth large amounts of canniboids? I know you can't give out specifics, so use your better judgement but I just don't see how you can move that much weed stealthily. I want to order a quarter of hash but if it rocks up in a vacuum sealed bag inside a brown envelope I wouldn't be real impressed, seems like that would be one second under the x-ray and they'd know what it was, smell proof or no and I'm really not interested in getting my address tagged over some weed.
Probably won't be a popular opinion but you shouldn't be ordering large amounts of weed in ways that will require it to be potentially x-rayed. Weed is a pain in the ass for transporting large amounts in nearly every way, its bulky, it smells (easy to fix but the others aren't) and customers don't like it being compressed. It's also hard to disguise & easy to visually identify.
The best advice with weed is if you need large amounts, grow it yourself or buy it domestically so it never gets near an x-ray. That said there probably are a few ways you could send large amounts on a regular basis but they would all require a lot of setting up which takes capital and really if you've got money to spare doing that you might as well just set up a commercial grow op instead or just getting local contacts.
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Rather than a thread on "list of vendors with the best stealth" people should focus on a thread of; "list of vendors with the WORST stealth! That way you guys can be doing much more to help the cause, it will put pressure on those who don't pay enough attention to their craft, & help keep everyone safer!
NCK
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"worst stealth" vendors would mean the ones remaining in the pot would be ranging from just above average-pretty decent-ok-"laughable"-pretty good-fucking amazing.
Whereas if one goes straight to the best, well when a race is over you normally want to know who came 1-3, not who came in the last 3 places
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Rather than a thread on "list of vendors with the best stealth" people should focus on a thread of; "list of vendors with the WORST stealth! That way you guys can be doing much more to help the cause, it will put pressure on those who don't pay enough attention to their craft, & help keep everyone safer!
NCK
SO create one
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Rather than a thread on "list of vendors with the best stealth" people should focus on a thread of; "list of vendors with the WORST stealth! That way you guys can be doing much more to help the cause, it will put pressure on those who don't pay enough attention to their craft, & help keep everyone safer!
NCK
SO create one
I believe it would have much better impact if the customers call out the vendors that need improvement for the safety of the customer rather than painting targets on the backs of the vendors with the best tactics . . . this is an open forum, & more info that gets thrown around won't necessarily positively reward the vendors that have been looking out for the safety of the masses.
NCK
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if that is the main logic behind it then by all means name and shame and reach out to the vendors who need improvement.
I thought it was more for the purpose of "these are shit, AVOID, go with everyone else"
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the one time I ordered a gram of mdma from juergen (god what a mistake) the stealth was just god awful, but for the small amount it did not really matter
dutchaanbod had some pretty damn good stealth for what I have seen, probably the best I have got overseas.
Just got a quarter pound from caerus and for the size of the package it was pretty damn good
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Rather than a thread on "list of vendors with the best stealth" people should focus on a thread of; "list of vendors with the WORST stealth! That way you guys can be doing much more to help the cause, it will put pressure on those who don't pay enough attention to their craft, & help keep everyone safer!
NCK
SO create one
Excellent idea.
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jackblue.....enough said