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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Woger on May 23, 2013, 03:51 am

Title: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Woger on May 23, 2013, 03:51 am
Is this really allowed?

I know its SR and its the fucking wild west, but how can vendors, who must keep & uphold a sacred trust with buyers, be allowed to blackmail users who don't give 5/5, threatening to publicize theyrre drop name & address?

Doesn't that break some sort of SR vendor code or something? It basically subverts the rating system, eliminating the leverage buyers have if vendor does a shitty job or fucks up or whatever.

The offender vendor here:

FauxyDocs
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/77da159d57/10


What say you SR? Is this bullshit or no?


UPDATE:
If you don't want to read the whole thread, here's the latest...

The offender vendor was told by SR admins to remove the blackmail language, to which they complied & so remaining a vendor (despite numerous calls he should be banned) - througout the vendor has tried to twist words, tried to manipulate the facts of the situation (which backfired), and generally tried to deflect responsibility for their mistake & push it on other people. All just like a little kid.

So much for learning from one's mistakes eh?

Caveat Emptor!

UPDATE2:
Vendor left or got booted not longer after this thread took seed (sometime in July). Good riddance!

Let us never put up with such behavior!
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: tragicallyhip on May 23, 2013, 03:52 am
Storing an address after shipping an order out is highly against vendor rules and can have vendor priviledges revoked.

Whilst I do not know this is the case, if your order was already mailed and he still has your address and messaged you saying this well I would go ahead and report him to SR ...

That is most likely going to have his vendor priviledges revoked.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: BruceCampbell on May 23, 2013, 03:58 am
Hmmm... you can't extort buyers, store information, or post shipping addresses in the vendor forum.

Trolololo...

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I M P O R T A N T:

This message is being written to formalize the consequences for customers trying to extort and/or scam us.

We have recently dealt with a user trying to use his feedback for us as leverage for an extra ID. We have also just received our first 4/5 (different user), when the user had nothing but good things to say about our ID. From now on, if you leave anything other than 5/5 feedback, we will have ALL of your information blacklisted via the Vendor's Roundtable, rendering your real name and shipping address unusuable on Silk Road. Bottom line is that it's rude and unfair to give less than 5/5 feedback unless there is a legitimate issue; even then, please send us a message and we will resolve. Thanks!

If you have no intention on exorting or scamming us, please disregard this, and thank you so much for keeping your honesty and integrity!
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Woger on May 23, 2013, 04:07 am
Yeah they say it's for their protection, and only if someone tries to scame them or some this, but blackmail is blackmail, even if they put it nice words and a smiley face on the end of it.

Think it's a slippery slope to tolerate and allow vendors to openly threaten buyer safety if they disagree on what a "good job" is. It subverts the whole rating system and basically leaves buyer with no option but to give 5/5.

My guess is, these are just punk kids trying to act tough but tolerating this attitude really does a disserveice to buyer security on SR IMO.

That's my take anyway.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Woger on May 23, 2013, 05:06 am
@Toska

Yes, def. take business elsewhere (unfortunately there are really no other descent sellers on SR for such things right now, but not mater) but think too it sets a bad tone for SR.

The damage is beyond just a single buyer.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: lex on May 23, 2013, 09:48 am
It's against the rules and completely retarded to make such a statement. Open a support ticket about this vendor and have him taken care of: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/help
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: BlackIris on May 23, 2013, 10:33 am
I've read what it is written in the profile and it is not exactly as you put it.
The vendor is saying (as many other vendors do, btw) that if you don't give 5/5 for a valid reason and without contacting the vendor with your problem before leaving the feedback then your name will be put in the blacklist of vendors for the time being.

I find this anyway unacceptable IMO but it is different than publicly revealing buyers addresses.

I personally think that something more must be done in the feedback system because as it is now anything short of 5/5 will damage the vendor stats too much and some buyers sometimes use this as a sort of "blackmail" themselves. Certainly is difficult to find a complete solution to this problem, but maybe DPR can come up with something. Still, I repeat that anyway also if there's clearly an issue with the how the feedback is used by some buyers (and I've testified this myself) I think that what the vendor is doing here is a little too much and not acceptable because it is a sort of psychological intimidation on all users, also those that are completely legit and responsible.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: lex on May 23, 2013, 10:50 am
I've read what it is written in the profile and it is not exactly as you put it.
The vendor is saying (as many other vendors do, btw) that if you don't give 5/5 for a valid reason and without contacting the vendor with your problem before leaving the feedback then your name will be put in the blacklist of vendors for the time being.

I find this anyway unacceptable IMO but it is different than publicly revealing buyers addresses.

I personally think that something more must be done in the feedback system because as it is now anything short of 5/5 will damage the vendor stats too much and some buyers sometimes use this as a sort of "blackmail" themselves. Certainly is difficult to find a complete solution to this problem, but maybe DPR can come up with something. Still, I repeat that anyway also if there's clearly an issue with the how the feedback is used by some buyers (and I've testified this myself) I think that what the vendor is doing here is a little too much and not acceptable because it is a sort of psychological intimidation on all users, also those that are completely legit and responsible.

You miss the point completely. The vendor is claiming to store names and addresses after fulfilling the orders; against the rules and insecure. Threatening to share personal information with other vendors (an empty threat), it is ridiculous to threaten that and blights the reputation of every vendor on SilkRoad. It also completely undermines the feedback system to blackmail buyers in this way, and buyers are under zero obligation to discuss with said vendor before leaving 1, 2, 3 or 4 star feedback. Don't try to justify the behavior of this vendor, because it is just wrong. Their selling privileges on SilkRoad should be permanently revoked because of this, unfortunately they will most likely get off with a warning.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Luvs2Trip on May 23, 2013, 11:04 am
From now on, if you leave anything other than 5/5 feedback, we will have ALL of your information blacklisted via the Vendor's Roundtable, rendering your real name and shipping address unusuable on Silk Road.

surly this isn't allowed?? As mentioned the vendor should not keep these details in the first place. Only the username should be blacklisted as a users address and real name should not be published anywhere!!!
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: BlackIris on May 23, 2013, 11:21 am
You miss the point completely. The vendor is claiming to store names and addresses after fulfilling the orders; against the rules and insecure.

I didn't miss anything at all. I said that IMO it was not acceptable (and I have also explained why, saying btw exactly what YOU have said), but anyway what is written in the vendor account is different than what is implied in the OP.

The vendor doesn't threaten to publicly reveal the buyer addresses as it is implied in the OP, it is something different (e.g. the names will be put in the (in)famous "blacklist" of the vendors). This is what I said. I didn't justify the act nor said it was acceptable or anything similar (just the contrary in fact), I just pointed out that the two things are different (because they are). Threatening to publicly reveal buyers' addresses it is different than threatening to put them in a private vendors' blacklist so that the buyers cannot buy no more. Both are completely unacceptable by the SR rules (both for the intimidation and keeping of addresses) but anyway they are two different things.

Before saying that "I miss the point" you should read what I wrote instead of pretending I implied something I never did. I would never dream to justify something like that.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Jediknight on May 23, 2013, 11:33 am
Silk Road should provide a workflow suggestion or a tool to help manage addresses.  Seriously,  I know a vendor who mixes up addresses and struggles with organizing them without keeping copies.  Even the damn carbon copy part of the express post package has the addy on it.  That needs burning or ripped off before writing. 

Perhaps, some kind of countdown beside the address and the instruction for copy and paste only once into a label or sheet.  Dunno,  but someone can figure something out to discourage added on file.  Even when you try, you end up with copies here and there.  Kinda shitty.   

It'd be soooo cool if there was a Avery label template built into the address field on the order page.  Click and print labels without any copying required ever. 
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: lex on May 23, 2013, 11:34 am
You miss the point completely. The vendor is claiming to store names and addresses after fulfilling the orders; against the rules and insecure.

I didn't miss anything at all. I said that IMO it was not acceptable (and I have also explained why, saying btw exactly what YOU have said), but anyway what is written in the vendor account is different than what is implied in the OP.

The vendor doesn't threaten to publicly reveal the buyer addresses as it is implied in the OP, it is something different (e.g. the names will be put in the (in)famous "blacklist" of the vendors). This is what I said. I didn't justify the act nor said it was acceptable or anything similar (just the contrary in fact), I just pointed out that the two things are different (because they are). Threatening to publicly reveal buyers' addresses it is different than threatening to put them in a private vendors' blacklist so that the buyers cannot buy no more. Both are completely unacceptable by the SR rules (both for the intimidation and keeping of addresses) but anyway they are two different things.

Before saying that "I miss the point" you should read what I wrote instead of pretending I implied something I never did. I would never dream to justify something like that.

Could you give me a verbatim quote showing where the original post even mentions threatening to publicly reveal information? You are the only one talking about that.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: BlackIris on May 23, 2013, 11:44 am
Could you give me a verbatim quote showing where the original post even mentions threatening to publicly reveal information? You are the only one talking about that.

"Threatening to publicize theyrre drop name & address"

*Publicize* has a specific behavior associated with it, i.e. (from the dictionary) "to give publicity to; bring to public notice; announce or advertise."

In this case the addresses will obviously not be publicized. Putting them in a PRIVATE vendors' blacklist, again, it is NOT the same as *publicizing* an address.

So I'm talking about it because I usually take note of the meaning of the words and what they imply. While both things are unacceptable (as I specified 3 times) they are, anyway, different, and - again IMO - publicizing is much worse (also if in any case both are bad).
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: lex on May 23, 2013, 12:06 pm
Could you give me a verbatim quote showing where the original post even mentions threatening to publicly reveal information? You are the only one talking about that.

"Threatening to publicize theyrre drop name & address"

*Publicize* has a specific behavior associated with it, i.e. (from the dictionary) "to give publicity to; bring to public notice; announce or advertise."

In this case the addresses will obviously not be publicized. Putting them in a PRIVATE vendors' blacklist, again, it is NOT the same as *publicizing* an address.

So I'm talking about it because I usually take note of the meaning of the words and what they imply. While both things are unacceptable (as I specified 3 times) they are, anyway, different, and - again IMO - publicizing is much worse (also if in any case both are bad).

LOL, semantics. You're a funny guy. Putting the names/addresses onto any kind of list would be bringing publicity to them, do you realize that? The fact this list is not available to fellow customers hardly invalidates the negative publicity. Please keep using "IMO", without that acronym someone here might make the mistake of confusing your misguided, nonsensical bullshit with something of actual merit.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: BlackIris on May 23, 2013, 12:31 pm
LOL, semantics. You're a funny guy. Putting the names/addresses onto any kind of list would be bringing publicity to them, do you realize that?

It's not semantics. "Public" for what it concerns information is something well defined. If the information is given inside a private listing it is not the same as a public sharing of it (again, from the dictionary: "of, pertaining to, or affecting a population or a community as a whole; open to all persons" - the key words there are "as a whole" and "open to ALL").

I was just pointing out that what the OP implied is something different than what is written in the vendor's account and the type of blackmail done. In these things you have to be specific. Between publicizing an address and circulating the same in private there is a great difference (and also the type of intervention you apply is usually different). While both are unacceptable by SR rules, giving away publicly (to all people openly, as in an example in this same forum or on the clearnet, for all to see) buyer's addresses would be much worse than circulating them between vendors. Naturally also in this second case the thing is bad and can possibly leak the information (in case of LE for example being able to hack/employ a vendor's account or entering SR as a whole) but anyway there is a step more that it's absent in the first case, making the public availability much worse.

The fact this list is not available to fellow customers hardly invalidates the negative publicity. Please keep using "IMO", without that acronym someone here might make the mistake of confusing your misguided, nonsensical bullshit with something of actual merit.

It's obvious that there is a difference between sharing an information publicly or in private (that it is specified also by law btw: for example when you join some kind of association/business it can happen you are required to share your data and that data will be used inside that association/business, but by the law your data is not allowed to circulate publicly, hence pointing out the difference in the two things). If you cannot understand the difference between the two aspects and what separate the two both in theoretical and practical terms it is not my fault. What I'm saying is not bullshit and everybody with some intelligence would understand immediately that the thing implied in the OP is a little different (and worse) than what is written in the vendor's account even if both are unacceptable and bad.

Apart this I really don't get why you are getting all angry at this. It is not that I said that what the vendor is doing is good or anything similar, what's the point of you bringing up this crusade on what I specified is beyond me.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: lex on May 23, 2013, 01:40 pm
"It's not semantics" then two paragraphs of nothing but semantics.  ;D
Title: vendors keeping records
Post by: Hendrix99 on May 23, 2013, 07:23 pm
Just curious on everyones opinion (vendors and buyers please chime in here) but much do you think that the vendors actually only have the address from the original order and no other copys or info on buyers addys somewhere else, or extra? Iv never been a vendor so I dont know what it takes to juggle orders and stuff from multiple customers with multiple products, but just thinking about it as any other small buisness that ships diff products, I would think that maybee it gets hard to juggle and keep track of who orders what  and where its going, especially with the escrow system, the orders that have gone out havent been paid for yet, and with problems arising of customers claiming non deliver or wrong product delivery or what ever, how does a vendor verfiy all that if theres no record kept of anything like were led to believe?

is this actually happining alot more then people hope/think or am I off base here and Vendors actually do a good job and stick to the code of not keeping buyers info on record anywhere?

Id really like to hear some vendors chime in here
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: railroadbill on May 23, 2013, 09:14 pm
sum one tell the police officer that we dont take no
Title: JOKE
Post by: UGSyndicate on May 23, 2013, 10:49 pm
Terms Of Service (ARE SHIT TO)

Who the fuck puts limitations on who can order and who cant, read the last one LOL

T o S:

►All deals are non-refundable, unless there is mistake on our behalf.
►Once you place an order, the sale is final and we cannot modify your order.
►We will not be held accountable for undelivered, lost, stolen, or intercepted parcels.
►We do not provide tracking numbers due to lack of anonymity when purchasing DCN’s.
►We expect all feedback to be 5/5; if you have an issue, just send us a message.
►We only sell to 16-23 year olds looking to score bitches and bottles. If you're 23+, please look elsewhere.


These people are a joke (You want art work Id's) Goto KingOfClubs (Where anyone can order)

Come to an adult website and act like children
(We only sell to 16-23 year olds looking to score bitches and bottles. If you're 23+, please look elsewhere.)

Title: Re: vendors keeping records
Post by: lex on May 23, 2013, 11:04 pm
Just curious on everyones opinion (vendors and buyers please chime in here) but much do you think that the vendors actually only have the address from the original order and no other copys or info on buyers addys somewhere else, or extra?

I'm not a major vendor on SilkRoad. But personally, I like to just print the addresses with Microsoft Word, stick 'em on the package and that's it. I retain post office receipts containing the buyers address until they finalize (in case of a dispute), the second I get paid the receipt goes through a cross-cut shredder. I don't know if using Word to print addresses (not saving the files) leaves any kind of trace on the hard-drive. My hard-drive is protected by AES-Twofish encryption, and I will never cooperate with authorities. I hope all vendors take great care with personal info, but there is bound to be a few bad apples on the tree.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Hendrix99 on May 23, 2013, 11:58 pm
Thanks for the answer Lex, I can only hope that most vendors hadle buyers info the way you do , but who knows, its all up to the vendor and his habits,
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Woger on May 24, 2013, 01:18 am
Yes, Lex gets it, BlackIris you don't.

Vendors have a duty to protect buyers data & security, regardless of whehter the buyer is an asshole. This priority basically puts pressure on vendors to do a great job, behave like grown ups, and not fuck around with bullshit blackmail games.

following that, a vendor having a cavelier attitude about this, threatening the security of the buyer's info, in ANY manner, in ANY way, by keeping ANY info after the deal, is completrely inappropropiraite and against the sanctitiy of all buyers and vendors.

No matter what word-games you want ot play, there is no grey area here BlackIris.

Get it?
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2013, 01:23 am
Hi all,

Just want to drop in here and let you all know that I've sent this up the chain and suspect Vendor Support will be in touch with the vendor in question about the issue. That's all I can do from my end, I'm afraid.

Libertas
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Woger on May 24, 2013, 01:52 am
Libertas, yah ok, and on advice here, I also reported the vendor yesterday.

As of today, the blackmail information no longer appears on the vendor's profile.

Still, I cannot forget they were willing to betray buyer trust before, and though have not proof, can imagine them still keeping buyers info against the rules. Bad egg, if you ask me.

THink it's important other potential buyers know of this vendor's history of subverting buyer / vendor trust, so posted in their vendor feedback thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=158369
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2013, 03:07 am
THink it's important other potential buyers know of this vendor's history of subverting buyer / vendor trust, so posted in their vendor feedback thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=158369

A good idea indeed, Woger!

Libertas
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: FauxyDocs on May 24, 2013, 04:38 am
Alright guys, I want to start off by saying that it was very immature to post a thread behind my back and not directly message me about the issue too. Not exactly sure how I was supposed to find this thread if it wasn't for a kind forum-goer that messaged me (who also happens to find this childish).

Now, to address your concerns:

1. The wording of my post doesn't actually imply that I would EVER be sharing PERSONAL information to the public. I mention that information (more specifically, usernames) will be reported to the Vendor's Roundtable, but that isn't by any means against the rules. If you happen to see where I say "I WILL SEND YOU NAME AND ADDRESS TO OTHER VENDORS", please let me and SR support staff know. (Hint: I don't).

I have messaged a few other vendors about this, and they all said this is indeed allowed as long as this information is not kept after order is shipped. I don't keep personal information after an order is shipped, but I DO keep note of which SR members UNJUSTLY give less than 5/5 feedback. Then, I would send this information to the Vendor's Roundtable AFTER messaging the user how I can fix the problem (refund, re-ship, etc). So, basically, there is no reason why I would ever deserve less than a 5/5 because if I am offering a 100% refund AND a re-ship, they would be getting more out of the transaction than what they initially put in. The two members that gave me 1/5 didn't respond when I politely messaged them.

Also, there is not one time where I posted a member's personal information anywhere (if that's what you thought I was doing to begin with). Silk Road support staff can verify this as well. I have not broken any rules, but I supposed I worded my post inappropriately, and for that, I am sorry.

In conclusion, I still want to emphasize that I'm ecstatic to be a member on this revolutionary site, but I do not wish to do business with those of mal-intent. If you leave less than 5/5 feedback but have nothing bad to say about the order, I take that as a direct attack, and WILL report your username to the Vendor's Roundtable. I think I can speak for the majority of vendors when I say that it is very frustrating to work your very hardest to satisfy each and every customer, and then get a 4/5, knocking down your feedback score 1 percent. Very unfair how customers have more power than vendors, and can temporarily ruin a vendor's business by leaving a nasty review, thus scaring away other customers.

2. We don't sell to anyone above the age of 23. Problem? If yes, you are implicitly condoning identity theft which is actually against the rules here on Silk Road, so I recommend ending this concern here.

All in all, if you're going to blast a vendor, make sure he/she is AWARE you're blasting him so he can defend himself. I have no doubt that Silk Road support will understand my point of view on this important issue, and thank you "BlackIris" for being the only member here to actually read my post, and accurately decipher it (for the most part; I don't break any rules, and I have read the rules many times, thank you).
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: scout on May 24, 2013, 04:59 am
You have to keep in mind though, FauxyDocs, that buyers don't have access to the Vendor Roundtable so when you say something like how you're going to post their name and address on the blacklist there, they don't realize that the blacklist doesn't actually contain anyone's real name or any shipping addresses.  So of COURSE they're going to be concerned!  I think you are well-aware of this fact and are using it to intimidate buyers who think there's really a place here that allows their name and address to be posted when there absolutely IS NOT.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: FauxyDocs on May 24, 2013, 05:12 am
You have to keep in mind though, FauxyDocs, that buyers don't have access to the Vendor Roundtable so when you say something like how you're going to post their name and address on the blacklist there, they don't realize that the blacklist doesn't actually contain anyone's real name or any shipping addresses.  So of COURSE they're going to be concerned!  I think you are well-aware of this fact and are using it to intimidate buyers who think there's really a place here that allows their name and address to be posted when there absolutely IS NOT.

This wasn't a master plot to intimidate customers into giving me perfect reviews; it was a post to inform potential customers and current customers that I do indeed have recourse, and am not as vulnerable to arbitrary 1/5 ratings as they might think. There is a difference between blackmail and an informational post. Please let me know if you don't think there is.

It isn't my responsibility to publicize the discussions of a private sub-forum on Silk Road, and I believe that is actually against the rules!!!

Furthermore, your claim of me using that post as an intimidation factor is pure-speculation (and false!), so that's not exactly fair basis to be reporting me.

I didn't know that OP would misread and spread misinformation, and for that, OP should be ashamed of himself.  It might have helped if I was messaged about this prior to a public thread, although I'm glad this is cleared up for the most part.

If you have any questions or concerns about this pressing issue, please reply on this thread. I will remain here until this is 100% cleared up.
Title: Joke
Post by: UGSyndicate on May 24, 2013, 05:23 am
2. We don't sell to anyone above the age of 23. Problem? If yes, you are implicitly condoning identity theft which is actually against the rules here on Silk Road, so I recommend ending this concern here.


ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED, IDENTITY THEFT CAN BE DONE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR AGE IS. BUT TO FOLLOW YOUR
TOS (YOU SAY TO GET LIQUOR AND BITCHES) YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT IDENTITY THEFT.

WE ALREADY KNOW BY THE STUPID CHILDISH GAMES YOU PLAY WITH YOUR WORDING THAT FauxyDocs IS RUN BY 17-23 YEAR
OLD LITTLE KIDS.

WHAT MATURE VENDOR WOULD COME ON HERE AND FIGHT WITH THE MODS. YOU PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS AND YOU MAKE
A MISTAKE (ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE) LICK YOUR WOUNDS AND MOVE ON. SCOUT YOU ARE 100% CORRECT, BEING
INTIMIDATED BY KIDS IS A NO NO.



Goto KingOfClubs FOR YOUR ID'S

Title: Re: Joke
Post by: FauxyDocs on May 24, 2013, 05:31 am
2. We don't sell to anyone above the age of 23. Problem? If yes, you are implicitly condoning identity theft which is actually against the rules here on Silk Road, so I recommend ending this concern here.


ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED, IDENTITY THEFT CAN BE DONE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR AGE IS. BUT TO FOLLOW YOUR
TOS (YOU SAY TO GET LIQUOR AND BITCHES) YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT IDENTITY THEFT.

WE ALREADY KNOW BY THE STUPID CHILDISH GAMES YOU PLAY WITH YOUR WORDING THAT FauxyDocs IS RUN BY 17-23 YEAR
OLD LITTLE KIDS.

Goto KingOfClubs FOR YOUR ID'S

I'm in disbelief that you're the real UnderGroundSyndicate that is in the top 1%. You're quite the keyboard warrior though, I bet you're REALLY in "Anonymous".

In response to your point (if you can call it that), what are the chances of a 16-23 year old college student committing identity theft? I'd guess around 1%. However, anyone above the age of 23 has no other need for a fake ID UNLESS it's for some fraudulent use (PO box, WU check-cashing, etc), which is why we don't (and will never) sell to people above the age of 23+. Sorry, but we're not the only fake ID vendor.

Quote
WHAT MATURE VENDOR WOULD COME ON HERE AND FIGHT WITH THE MODS. YOU PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS AND YOU MAKE
A MISTAKE (ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE) LICK YOUR WOUNDS AND MOVE ON. SCOUT YOU ARE 100% CORRECT, BEING
INTIMIDATED BY KIDS IS A NO NO.

I'm sorry, but when was I fighting with a mod? Please specify. Can you also please stop telling people how they should react to everything? In one sentence you managed to order me AND scout around. You're an online drug dealer, stop acting like you're Dread Pirate Roberts.

Quote
I'm always here if you need me. The Road Is My Happy Place

The Road definitely doesn't seem like your "Happy Place" right now. Take a breather.
Title: JOKE
Post by: UGSyndicate on May 24, 2013, 05:45 am
I WAS POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT IF YOUR 18 OR 19 OR EVEN 21 OR 22 YOU CAN STILL COMMIT IDENTITY THEFT. SO
WHY YOU SAY YOU DON'T SELL TO OLDER PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 23 BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE PRONE TO COMMIT
THIS OFFENSE IS RIDICULOUS.

NO MATTER YOU WONT BE HERE LONG. ONE OF MY GOOD CLIENTS TOLD ME ABOUT YOU AND ALL IT TAKES IS SPREADING
THE WORD.   

NO MORE PLAYING WITH YOU TOP 1% NEEDS REST DONT HAVE TIME FOR NOBODY'S

THE ONE THE ONLY U.G.S
Title: Re: JOKE
Post by: FauxyDocs on May 24, 2013, 06:01 am
NO MATTER YOU WONT BE HERE LONG. ONE OF MY GOOD CLIENTS TOLD ME ABOUT YOU AND ALL IT TAKES IS SPREADING
THE WORD.   
THE ONE THE ONLY U.G.S

That sounds like a public threat, which is against SR rules.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2013, 06:07 am
You're both starting to act like infants and doing so in a public thread is making you both look bad to any potential customers that may see it. Act as you would expect a person in a position of responsibility to act, because that is what you both are.

Libertas
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: BlackIris on May 24, 2013, 10:22 am
Yes, Lex gets it, BlackIris you don't.

If you say so then it must be it.

Vendors have a duty to protect buyers data & security, regardless of whehter the buyer is an asshole. This priority basically puts pressure on vendors to do a great job, behave like grown ups, and not fuck around with bullshit blackmail games.

I don't get what's so difficult to understand on the point that there's a difference between saying (as in the OP) that a vendor threaten to release buyer's addresses PUBLICLY and saying (as it is written in the vendor's account) that they threaten to release the names under a PRIVATE vendor's blacklist.

This is what I said, and it had NOTHING to do with one of the two being acceptable or not or if they break SR rules in both cases or not. It had nothing to do with this. I was just pointing out that what the OP implied was different (and much worse) than what's written in the vendor's account. How the OP did put it it seemed like the vendor threatened to publicly reveal addresses (on this forum or other public place) and this would have been something of an unhearded of gravity, something to immediately ban the vendor outright without even asking explanations etc.

I understand perfectly that it is unacceptable for vendors to keep addresses (EDIT: actually it's not either so it seems but just sharing account names, even more different) but this has NOTHING (again) to do with what I was pointing out.

No matter what word-games you want ot play, there is no grey area here BlackIris.

Get it?

Let's see if with a DIRECT example I can make you understand that it's not "word-games".

If a vendor comes to you and threaten you with:
"If you don't send me $500 immediately I will put your contact information (EDIT: actually just the user name it seems, even less of a threat) in the vendor's blacklist so that you cannot buy anymore here in the SR"

Will it be the same as him/her threatening you with:
"If you don't send me $500 immediately I will spam your contact information in these forums so that everybody will be able to see it"?

What would be the WORSE threat? Which of the two will make you more worried about? Which of the two is the REAL threat? It will be just a matter of "semantics"?

Both are unacceptable by SR rules and both are annoying, but the second one is naturally another thing, isn't it?

Let's see if now I made my point correctly across.

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EDIT: Btw it seems like that the OP is even more misleading than I thought because the vendor is not keeping addresses or anything of the sort. S/He just say something like "if you don't leave us positive feedback without contacting us first in case of a problem and/or without motive to do so we will share your ACCOUNT NAME with other vendors so that they will know your behavior". While this can be a little intimidating for legit buyers, it is COMPLETELY different than saying that the vendor threaten to release contact information publicly, isn't it? C'mon!

To the vendor. I would personally re-word the thing a little because as it is put I think it looks more intimidating than it should (and also I personally interpreted it in a way that you kept contact information and shared it with other vendors in the way it is written atm). I would not specify for example that one has to put 5/5 absolutely but put it in a way as to say that "if you act as a spammer or in a non-responsible manner other vendors will be shared how you behaved with us" or similar. Just a friendly hint.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: phoboss on May 24, 2013, 12:04 pm
I suggest a buyers round table or buyers problem area so EVERYONE can see the problem and solve it ie not only in the vendors round table section where childish vendors can lie and say wtf they want I think the mods should start a problem area or buyers round table asap what say you people
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2013, 06:29 pm
I suggest a buyers round table or buyers problem area so EVERYONE can see the problem and solve it ie not only in the vendors round table section where childish vendors can lie and say wtf they want I think the mods should start a problem area or buyers round table asap what say you people

Any member is free to start a thread on such a subject. You don't need our help - nor permission - to do so.

Libertas
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: bbhc52 on May 25, 2013, 03:15 am
I've read what it is written in the profile and it is not exactly as you put it.
The vendor is saying (as many other vendors do, btw) that if you don't give 5/5 for a valid reason and without contacting the vendor with your problem before leaving the feedback then your name will be put in the blacklist of vendors for the time being.

I find this anyway unacceptable IMO but it is different than publicly revealing buyers addresses.

I personally think that something more must be done in the feedback system because as it is now anything short of 5/5 will damage the vendor stats too much and some buyers sometimes use this as a sort of "blackmail" themselves. Certainly is difficult to find a complete solution to this problem, but maybe DPR can come up with something. Still, I repeat that anyway also if there's clearly an issue with the how the feedback is used by some buyers (and I've testified this myself) I think that what the vendor is doing here is a little too much and not acceptable because it is a sort of psychological intimidation on all users, also those that are completely legit and responsible.
I wish you guys knew what it was like to be vendor on here and what type of buyers we have to deal with. Even if we try everything in our power there is still buyers who don't care and neglect to do the right thing.
I only ask them to contact me before leaving anything less than a 5/5 to at least give me the chance to make sure they are 100% satisfied. Out of 161 transactions I have 1 person who gave me a 4/5 rating, this brought me from 100% to 99%. This 1% is enough reason for a new customer to look somewhere else for product. You want to know his reason for leaving the 4/5 rating? A post office error, his package was returned to the sender. I think it was a USPS screw up. Soon as the package was returned we more than doubled his order and re-shipped it to him express. From his $5 order I spent over $40 to try and keep my 100% rating, is this fair? I have never done any of my customers wrong, not 1 of them. I am very thoughtful and try my best to go above and beyond and work out any kind of errors the best I can even if it involves me losing money.
Here is the feedback he left
"my packages from sed seller are usually here much faster but there was alot extra and a one gram sample"
Do you think it was fair for him to leave this without even attempting to send us a message? We are very very good about customer service and answer our PM's very very fast and as professionally as we can. This problem was something out of my control. I did the best I could for this guy, and him being a returning customer who had ordered a few times should of at least sent us a PM before killing our score. Please look at both sides.

Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: ShamuTheOrca on May 25, 2013, 03:45 am
If you don't try to scam the vendor, then this isn't a problem. It's as simple as that. Your information (whether it be your account name, contact info, address, whatever) won't be spread as long as it's a successful transaction, in which case any info pertaining to you would be deleted. I can only imagine people with the intent of scamming FauxyDocs would have a problem with what he said.

While I agree that the paragraph was written for no purpose other than intimidation, it shows how flawed the feedback system really is. All of this would have been avoided if a 4/5 did not negatively affect a vendor's reputation as much as it does now; however, we must make due with what is established so problems like this do occasionally occur. That being said, a 5/5 is expected if the transaction went flawlessly and the product was as described. Anything less raises concerns with the vendor because of the implementation of the current system. I personally don't think a lone 4/5 and a few 1/5's have any harmful implications because any knowledgeable buyer will check out all the real feedback and read reviews and experiences with the vendor before ordering, but ratings like these do hurt prospective sellers who wish to establish themselves as legitimate vendors not only on the Road but also on the forums due to the lack of reputable reviews. If FauxyDocs runs himself a genuine, consistent business, the appropriate ratings will come and will reflect what he is doing, which is why the ratings should have been ignored and the paragraph never written.

Both FauxyDocs and OP were in the wrong in this particular situation. FauxyDocs shouldn't have written the paragraph OR he should have focused it more towards scammers. Expressing that your info will be posted on the vendor's roundtable for anything less than a 5/5 is blackmail, yes, but a personal message stating your concern should have been sent instead of creating a public thread. Nevertheless, all of the what if's and should have's are beside the point. It's resolved now, but you've got to see where he is coming from. A rating other than perfect without messaging the vendor first and without any details about your negative experience isn't proper etiquette on here (but neither is blackmailing). Whatever, if there is no intention of scamming the vendor, it really shouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 25, 2013, 04:09 am
If you don't try to scam the vendor, then this isn't a problem. It's as simple as that. Your information (whether it be your account name, contact info, address, whatever) won't be spread as long as it's a successful transaction, in which case any info pertaining to you would be deleted. I can only imagine people with the intent of scamming FauxyDocs would have a problem with what he said.

What if the ID is a piece of shit and you give them a 1/5?  That isn't scamming.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: ShamuTheOrca on May 25, 2013, 04:17 am
If you don't try to scam the vendor, then this isn't a problem. It's as simple as that. Your information (whether it be your account name, contact info, address, whatever) won't be spread as long as it's a successful transaction, in which case any info pertaining to you would be deleted. I can only imagine people with the intent of scamming FauxyDocs would have a problem with what he said.

What if the ID is a piece of shit and you give them a 1/5?  That isn't scamming.
Nor did I say anything less than a 5/5 is necessarily from a scammer. If it's a 1/5 but you got the product, then details and evidence would have to be provided to make that feedback credible because otherwise it seems like just a buyer trying to damage the vendor's reputation. "I personally don't think a lone 4/5 and a few 1/5's have any harmful implications" because I overlook them if there isn't anything to back up their claim.

If the product you received was unsatisfactory, then it shouldn't even matter if the vendor blacklists you since you probably wouldn't be doing business with them again. You have every right to leave less than a 5/5 as long as you describe your experience/problem. I'm sure other vendors will let you order from them even if your username is in the vendor blacklist as long as you prove that the item was subpar than what was described. If it's just complaining, then the vendor would be glad to not do business with you for fear that the same (a negative rating) would happen to them as well. The vendor can always post in the vendor round-table regardless, he doesn't need to inform you that he posted your name. You can always leave a 5/5 rating while describing what was wrong with the product, too, so the whole issue here is obsolete.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: bbhc52 on May 25, 2013, 05:24 am

ShamuTheOrca  +1 for being understanding and seeing things two sided instead of looking very narrow like some do. You make some very good points, let me also state that I never threaten to blackmail anyone. This is what I say word for word on my vendor page.
"For now on contact us before leaving anything other than a 5/5 rating to at least tell us why you are not satisfied and giving us that chance to make things right. failure to do so will be grounds for adding you to the blacklist where all future orders will be canceled. Thank you for understanding." I just want the chance to at least attempt to make things right before someone screws up my rating you know? I also have the right to chose who I want to except as a customer so I feel this statement is very fair to my customers.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 06:06 am

ShamuTheOrca  +1 for being understanding and seeing things two sided instead of looking very narrow like some do. You make some very good points, let me also state that I never threaten to blackmail anyone. This is what I say word for word on my vendor page.
"For now on contact us before leaving anything other than a 5/5 rating to at least tell us why you are not satisfied and giving us that chance to make things right. failure to do so will be grounds for adding you to the blacklist where all future orders will be canceled. Thank you for understanding." I just want the chance to at least attempt to make things right before someone screws up my rating you know? I also have the right to chose who I want to except as a customer so I feel this statement is very fair to my customers.

IMO, the vendor's statement is very fair and reasonable. If you have a complaint, politely message the vendor and wait for a reply. It sounds like he/she is willing to make the buyer happy should you have a legitimate complaint regarding your order. How anyone could read into the vendor's statement that he/she is out to blackmail customers is beyond me.
It's as simple as this. Leave a bad review on a transaction without giving the vendor an opportunity to make good will result in you not being able to buy from them again, which is their choice to make.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: jase00 on May 25, 2013, 07:01 am
just out of curiosity, for all you vendors out there.. if a buyer has pretty decent stats do you even bother to check if they are on the blacklist ?

also someone mentioned if you go from 100% to 99% its enough to deter buyers.. I don't know how true that is.. but if it is, do you really want a buyer who only buys from someone with 100% ? Seems they might be the type of customer who would give you bad feedback if everything isn't 1000%
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: WhiteShark on May 25, 2013, 06:27 pm
just out of curiosity, for all you vendors out there.. if a buyer has pretty decent stats do you even bother to check if they are on the blacklist ?

also someone mentioned if you go from 100% to 99% its enough to deter buyers.. I don't know how true that is.. but if it is, do you really want a buyer who only buys from someone with 100% ? Seems they might be the type of customer who would give you bad feedback if everything isn't 1000%

Just thought I would address my opinion regarding the above post...

Personally, I DO NOT take the "blacklist" into account. If they have any refund percent I look up their name to see if its a recurring issue. Back in the day when I was a buyer on here, a vendor threatened to put me on the blacklist because I refused to give them 5/5 for some hay shit weed that my grandma could grow better hydroponically out of her toilet bowl. I don't know if they actually did, but if so that was enough evidence to me of how bull shit the blacklist can be.

I create my own personal one....two types of buyers go on it. The ones who threaten to leave 1/5 unless they get a refund, and the ones who constantly ask to pay with other forms of payment (direct deposit, cash in person, western union, etc)

What makes me super black list is when people finalize and then complain for a refund, I see this as an attempt to make it not affect their stats. For all you know the buyer could have got every vendor they purchased off of to send a 50% refund, and by finalizing before threatening a 1/5 they could keep their refund rate at 0%.

Just my two cents...the blacklist really doesn't mean much, at least if that vendor ever did put me on it. I had no problem making purchases from there on, and always received quality product. Except the one time dutchaabond screwed me over on an m purchase, but he screwed everyone over that time and SR honoured a 100% refund based on the fact every buyer was not receiving from him.


And regarding the topic, any vendors keeping full addresses and names I WOULD AVOID AT ALL COSTS. For me, not tracked item lables go straight to file shredder. Tracked items are arranged with trackings sorted under country and initials and kept encrypted. Hence why I require buyers to give me their ID and country to find their tracking.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: bbhc52 on May 25, 2013, 06:32 pm
I am talking about my personal blacklist. I know who our company is and what our products are, I feel not being able to deal with our company is enough punishment and I am not in a vendors circle.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: BlackIris on May 25, 2013, 06:36 pm
I wish you guys knew what it was like to be vendor on here and what type of buyers we have to deal with. Even if we try everything in our power there is still buyers who don't care and neglect to do the right thing.

I understand that perfectly actually. I started a thread last week about a vendor here that got 1/5 for nothing, just because the buyer couldn't research well before trying the product and wasted it. I was angry about it as if I would have been that vendor (which btw I've been and I am a customer of) because I could understand how frustrating something like that can be.

In a certain sense I don't know why you replied specifically to my post because in this thread I've been the only one to actually try to make others understand that what was written in the vendor's account was not exactly what was written in the OP (and received also bad karma for it). As the vendor's account was written, however, it seemed to me to mean that he kept addresses and for this I said that the vendor was breaking the rules and it was unacceptable (because in that case it would have been). Then the vendor clarified him/herself and it was just a matter of misunderstanding on this point, but at least I could differentiate between a private list and a public reveal of personal information.


Do you think it was fair for him to leave this without even attempting to send us a message?

No, I don't think it is fair at all, actually I think that it's completely irresponsible and unpolite to do a thing like that, and this is exactly the same I've written in my thread. It is irresponsible first of all towards other buyers because in this way they cannot base a fair judgment on the various sellers and secondly it is irresponsible towards the vendor that has done nothing wrong. Moreover it is unpolite to not give the chance to recover a mistake even in the (rare, but it can happen) case the vendor commits one.

This place has to be built first of all by the same users and for this responsibility is a must. If people act irresponsibly they will ruin the market even for themselves.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: mojorizen on May 26, 2013, 11:40 pm
Some buyers are dicks. Some vendors are assholes. When the two meet, it's Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.

Nah, but for real, put that on a vendor page is insane.

There's a meth vendor who has a "contract" on his page that says something like, "By buying from me, you agree to leave a 5/5 feedback or give me a chance to make it right." That's not a bad way to do it. I don't remember if he had a thing about what happens to you if you don't abide.

But what could he do right? Put you on a blacklist? How effective are black lists anyway? I've never seen someone come on the forum crying about being on a blacklist and not being able to buy. I guess once the find out, they just make another buyer account.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Luvs2Trip on May 28, 2013, 11:06 am

ShamuTheOrca  +1 for being understanding and seeing things two sided instead of looking very narrow like some do. You make some very good points, let me also state that I never threaten to blackmail anyone. This is what I say word for word on my vendor page.
"For now on contact us before leaving anything other than a 5/5 rating to at least tell us why you are not satisfied and giving us that chance to make things right. failure to do so will be grounds for adding you to the blacklist where all future orders will be canceled. Thank you for understanding." I just want the chance to at least attempt to make things right before someone screws up my rating you know? I also have the right to chose who I want to except as a customer so I feel this statement is very fair to my customers.

IMO, the vendor's statement is very fair and reasonable. If you have a complaint, politely message the vendor and wait for a reply. It sounds like he/she is willing to make the buyer happy should you have a legitimate complaint regarding your order. How anyone could read into the vendor's statement that he/she is out to blackmail customers is beyond me.
It's as simple as this. Leave a bad review on a transaction without giving the vendor an opportunity to make good will result in you not being able to buy from them again, which is their choice to make.

As you say the vendors statement is very fair an reasonable because it has been changed from what it originally said when the OP created this thread. I have copied the original statement below:

'From now on, if you leave anything other than 5/5 feedback, we will have ALL of your information blacklisted via the Vendor's Roundtable, rendering your real name and shipping address unusuable on Silk Road.'

This does sound like blackmail but more to the point it actually states that he will post ALL information on the vendors round table and not just username! This IMO is what makes it so bad!
Title: Re: Joke
Post by: RxKing on May 28, 2013, 11:59 am


In response to your point (if you can call it that), what are the chances of a 16-23 year old college student committing identity theft? I'd guess around 1%. However, anyone above the age of 23 has no other need for a fake ID UNLESS it's for some fraudulent use (PO box, WU check-cashing, etc), which is why we don't (and will never) sell to people above the age of 23+. Sorry, but we're not the only fake ID vendor.


I have read a lot of stupid shit by a lot of stupid people. And I have seen a lot of stupid vendors say and do stupid shit.

BUT your reasoning that the chances of a 16-23 to commit identity theft at 1%  and you saying no one over the age of 23 would need a fake ID unless it is for some fraudulent use witch is why you don't and never will sell to people above the age of 23 is the stupidest....by far...reasoning I have read from a vendor in over 1 year of reading stupid shit.

With your reasoning...why go above the age of 20? Why would a 23yo need a fake ID? And I guess you are only selling these to people that would only use them to get into a bar. Not to buy alcohol as that would be a crime. And I guess the crime of using a fake ID to get into a bar is not a crime to you

Also how the fuck do you know if someone is 26 and tells you they are 22? You don't. In fact you do not know a lot. And buyers should stay the fuck away from you.

Also just for the buyers to know...No one in the vendor only forum would give a fuck if this asshole put your name on the do not vend to list. This guy is clearly about 22 himself and is a dumb fuck vendor. We all know he said EXACTLY what the OP said he did and he has since changed it.

Do not ever let a vendor threaten you because  you left feedback less then 5/5. Though I do believe that you should contact a vendor first and try and work out what your problem is...But when I hear vendors saying "is it fair" I mean come on...who said things are going to be fair?? The buyer can in fact say what he wants in the feedback and leave whatever he wants as feedback. And if you treat the buyers right...you will get 5/5. And if you do not...do not cry about it, or threaten a buyer over it.

 I knew when he started off his first post in here saying and I quote "it was very immature to post a thread behind my back" that we were dealing with an idiot...I just had no clue he would be this stupid.

And other vendors that are chiming in about how they (the buyers) really do not understand all the idiots that we deal with...well that is 100% true...being a vendor here means dealing with people that make this vendor look like Einstein...Yes they are 10x worse then this guy...the fact is...this vendor and this problem has nothing to do with any of that. And dealing with idiots is part of what you sign up for as a vendor..we are supposed to...as vendors...always do the right thing when vending and not act like the morons we sometimes have to deal with. And for sure not be as stupid as some of the buyers. In this case...this vendor is a moron. WITH OUT QUESTION! The fact he put this BULLSHIT UP and the other shit he has said in here alone should get him suspended for a bit. Just so he can read up and understand the vendor "laws" so to speak. New vendors should have to pass a test before they vend. If that was the case....he would not be a vendor. And under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you threaten to give out a buyers information..no matter how stupid they are.

This vendor needs to be suspended for saying the shit he has. PERIOD.

Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: jase00 on May 28, 2013, 12:42 pm
i saw in a vendors profile today something along the lines of if you try to scam them or they think you do they will put your username in the blacklist (all good up to this point) then they went on to say they might even hire a hitman from BMR.......
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: RxKing on May 28, 2013, 12:59 pm
i saw in a vendors profile today something along the lines of if you try to scam them or they think you do they will put your username in the blacklist (all good up to this point) then they went on to say they might even hire a hitman from BMR.......

That's funny actually! And CLEARLY a joke.

But I can tell you that SR takes threats very serious. About the same as TSA takes them. And since these vendors have your name and address and then they say something like this..it could really scare a buyer and DPR will have none of that shit. The vendor should remove that asap.They have a sense of humor..but they do not take kindly to threats of any kind...from exposing PM's to saying you are going to save their addresses or send a fake hit man from a fake shitty website... If they find out..the vendor will lose his account...even if he is in the top 1%. DPR has done it before....and he will do it again.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: mancub on May 28, 2013, 07:14 pm
Im going to give you an indepth reply op, as soon the FUCKING PAGE LOADS!!!!!!!!!! :o

no seriously, the page wont load. :-\
Title: Re: Joke
Post by: FauxyDocs on May 29, 2013, 12:14 am


In response to your point (if you can call it that), what are the chances of a 16-23 year old college student committing identity theft? I'd guess around 1%. However, anyone above the age of 23 has no other need for a fake ID UNLESS it's for some fraudulent use (PO box, WU check-cashing, etc), which is why we don't (and will never) sell to people above the age of 23+. Sorry, but we're not the only fake ID vendor.


I have read a lot of stupid shit by a lot of stupid people. And I have seen a lot of stupid vendors say and do stupid shit.

BUT your reasoning that the chances of a 16-23 to commit identity theft at 1%  and you saying no one over the age of 23 would need a fake ID unless it is for some fraudulent use witch is why you don't and never will sell to people above the age of 23 is the stupidest....by far...reasoning I have read from a vendor in over 1 year of reading stupid shit.

With your reasoning...why go above the age of 20? Why would a 23yo need a fake ID? And I guess you are only selling these to people that would only use them to get into a bar. Not to buy alcohol as that would be a crime. And I guess the crime of using a fake ID to get into a bar is not a crime to you

Also how the fuck do you know if someone is 26 and tells you they are 22? You don't. In fact you do not know a lot. And buyers should stay the fuck away from you.

Also just for the buyers to know...No one in the vendor only forum would give a fuck if this asshole put your name on the do not vend to list. This guy is clearly about 22 himself and is a dumb fuck vendor. We all know he said EXACTLY what the OP said he did and he has since changed it.

Do not ever let a vendor threaten you because  you left feedback less then 5/5. Though I do believe that you should contact a vendor first and try and work out what your problem is...But when I hear vendors saying "is it fair" I mean come on...who said things are going to be fair?? The buyer can in fact say what he wants in the feedback and leave whatever he wants as feedback. And if you treat the buyers right...you will get 5/5. And if you do not...do not cry about it, or threaten a buyer over it.

 I knew when he started off his first post in here saying and I quote "it was very immature to post a thread behind my back" that we were dealing with an idiot...I just had no clue he would be this stupid.

And other vendors that are chiming in about how they (the buyers) really do not understand all the idiots that we deal with...well that is 100% true...being a vendor here means dealing with people that make this vendor look like Einstein...Yes they are 10x worse then this guy...the fact is...this vendor and this problem has nothing to do with any of that. And dealing with idiots is part of what you sign up for as a vendor..we are supposed to...as vendors...always do the right thing when vending and not act like the morons we sometimes have to deal with. And for sure not be as stupid as some of the buyers. In this case...this vendor is a moron. WITH OUT QUESTION! The fact he put this BULLSHIT UP and the other shit he has said in here alone should get him suspended for a bit. Just so he can read up and understand the vendor "laws" so to speak. New vendors should have to pass a test before they vend. If that was the case....he would not be a vendor. And under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you threaten to give out a buyers information..no matter how stupid they are.

This vendor needs to be suspended for saying the shit he has. PERIOD.

First of all, I'd like to point out that using a fake ID to gain access to a 21+ establishment is much less harmful than using it for fraudulent uses. And what are you even saying with the "why go above the age of 20" question? The drinking age in the USA is 21, and we obviously condone the use of a fake ID for liquor stores, bars, and night clubs, so obviously it should be at least 21. And we raised it to 23 to allow the buyer some leeway in case he/she thinks it's "suspicious" to have an ID that says your 21. We don't know your age, so you can be 40 and order a fake ID that says your 23, but good luck having that pass at USPS when trying to open a fake P.O. box. I don't care how many vendors call us out for this because we're not going to change the rule EVER. We don't have a problem with teenagers purchasing alcohol because we believe the drinking age is 3 years too high. And now you might say "Oh, so you're cool with teenagers drinking and driving and then killing an innocent family?"; if that teenager didn't purchase a fake ID from us, he would have stolen the alcohol from his parents or had an older sibling purchase it for him, so that point is moot. If you ever decide to make fake IDs, I hope you can live with selling to a terrorist or someone using the ID to purchase an untraceable firearm that may someday kill your son/daughter. It's fucked up that you'd even expect us to sell to these kinds of people. Silk Road is much more than an "anything goes" community. Do you see firearms here? Do you see child porn here? No, and that is intentional you scumbag piece of shit.

Not once did I threaten a buyer's personal information; don't try and twist my words into something else. Being a vendor means being respectful to customers and treating them properly, but it does NOT mean you have to lose money from the not-so-legitimate customers.

YOU should be suspended for being so disrespectful and close-minded about this situation. It's a damn shame.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: UGSyndicate on May 29, 2013, 12:34 am
RxKing : Thank you for being another voice of reason. But I think you made it mad as he thinks you
should be suspended for speaking your mind.

Yet again MR FauxyDocs thinks he can make us be quiet thinks he can bully his customers and
thinks he can say who can buy and who cant buy from him with stupid kid rules. Off with his head. LOL

Oh no should I be suspended for speaking my mind to...    FREE SPEECH
Title: Re: Joke
Post by: bladen on May 30, 2013, 05:29 pm

First of all, I'd like to point out that using a fake ID to gain access to a 21+ establishment is much less harmful than using it for fraudulent uses. And what are you even saying with the "why go above the age of 20" question? The drinking age in the USA is 21, and we obviously condone the use of a fake ID for liquor stores, bars, and night clubs, so obviously it should be at least 21. And we raised it to 23 to allow the buyer some leeway in case he/she thinks it's "suspicious" to have an ID that says your 21. We don't know your age, so you can be 40 and order a fake ID that says your 23, but good luck having that pass at USPS when trying to open a fake P.O. box. I don't care how many vendors call us out for this because we're not going to change the rule EVER. We don't have a problem with teenagers purchasing alcohol because we believe the drinking age is 3 years too high. And now you might say "Oh, so you're cool with teenagers drinking and driving and then killing an innocent family?"; if that teenager didn't purchase a fake ID from us, he would have stolen the alcohol from his parents or had an older sibling purchase it for him, so that point is moot. If you ever decide to make fake IDs, I hope you can live with selling to a terrorist or someone using the ID to purchase an untraceable firearm that may someday kill your son/daughter. It's fucked up that you'd even expect us to sell to these kinds of people. Silk Road is much more than an "anything goes" community. Do you see firearms here? Do you see child porn here? No, and that is intentional you scumbag piece of shit.

Not once did I threaten a buyer's personal information; don't try and twist my words into something else. Being a vendor means being respectful to customers and treating them properly, but it does NOT mean you have to lose money from the not-so-legitimate customers.

YOU should be suspended for being so disrespectful and close-minded about this situation. It's a damn shame.

Sheer drivel reminiscent of lunacy coupled with personal admonishments and topped off with an insult and yet another reprimand. Your name is your reputation. Your reputation is your business. You need to erase this thread, these forums and those silly justifications of yours from your memory and try to salvage whatever is left of your name through getting back to work.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: hailsatan123123 on May 30, 2013, 07:10 pm
Ok some second thoughts after reading vendor replies. Seems like u guys need to work it out
Title: Re: Joke
Post by: Hungry ghost on June 01, 2013, 02:55 pm

 I knew when he started off his first post in here saying and I quote "it was very immature to post a thread behind my back" that we were dealing with an idiot...I just had no clue he would be this stupid.
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I thought exactly the same. Only a 15 year old school kid would say something like that, or someone with the mentality of one.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: FauxyDocs on June 01, 2013, 08:40 pm
Looks like OP had an ulterior motive for creating this thread:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=162088.0

In case Woger deletes the thread, here it is:

WANTED: Non-amateur fake IDs, cuz the offerings rights now, well they suck donkey dick. Check it:

Theyre basically 2 fake ID vendors on SR worth even considering (and several not worth considering), but both of the 2 show signs of amateur and not srs quality:

1) FauxyDocs
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/77da159d57/10
99% feedback is good, but have no confidence, cuz they state flat out only sell to "16-23 yr olds for bitches and bottles" meaning theyre shit 'aint up to scratch save for use by kids messin about.

Theyz more reasons than "bitches & booze" for fake ID, as my customers tell me, so these  guys aain't it.

Doesn't hep theyre profile basically blackmails buyers threatening to blacklist the drop name & addy on buyers who don't give 5/5, so they can do a crap job, argue they didn't, and buyer has no fucking choice? Not cool!

Why is that shit even allowed here on SR? That kinda vendor attitude fucks it up for both buyers & vendors!

Plus theyre review thread on the forum has only 1 real reveiw from some dumb kid who already got grilled hard 3 times using theyre IDs.

So much for these jokers.

Looks like he's having difficulties finding quality forgeries, and so decided to take a different angle (vendor "blackmail") to cover up the true source of his anger.

Oh, and if you hadn't already figured it out, we don't sell to 25+ year olds because we don't want to sell to anyone with potential harmful intentions. Seems like most of the community disagrees with that decision, but it's our decision, and it's final.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 01, 2013, 08:49 pm
Looks like he's having difficulties finding quality forgeries, and so decided to take a different angle (vendor "blackmail") to cover up the true source of his anger.

You're the only one I see blackmailing anyone.

Oh, and if you hadn't already figured it out, we don't sell to 25+ year olds because we don't want to sell to anyone with potential harmful intentions. Seems like most of the community disagrees with that decision, but it's our decision, and it's final.

Yeah, because people 25 or older are the only ones that have harmful intentions. ::)

You sure it isn't because your IDs arn't up to snuff for opening post office boxes, private mailboxes, bank accounts or other useful things besides getting kiddies into a club while the bouncer looks at the shitty ID in the dark?  One of your custom said his ID wasn't even accepted for purchasing alcohol during three separate incidents. ::)
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: FauxyDocs on June 01, 2013, 09:14 pm
Looks like he's having difficulties finding quality forgeries, and so decided to take a different angle (vendor "blackmail") to cover up the true source of his anger.
You sure it isn't because your IDs arn't up to snuff for opening post office boxes, private mailboxes, bank accounts or other useful things besides getting kiddies into a club while the bouncer looks at the shitty ID in the dark?  One of your custom said his ID wasn't even accepted for purchasing alcohol during three separate incidents. ::)

To the best of my knowledge. there is no other fake ID vendor using an offset printer. The rest of the vendors use either an inkjet printer or a low-quality 300DPI dye-sublimation printer that cannot replicate microprint. Paired with our color-matched template,  we're left with a 97-99% accurate ID.

That customer review was for our New York ID, which we state in our profile isn't up to par for in-state usage (same with our MN). There's no point in revamping and sourcing the same materials as the government when NY is releasing their new license in less than 1 month.

Draw your own conclusions, but those are the facts.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: sofish89 on June 01, 2013, 09:38 pm


In response to your point (if you can call it that), what are the chances of a 16-23 year old college student committing identity theft? I'd guess around 1%. However, anyone above the age of 23 has no other need for a fake ID UNLESS it's for some fraudulent use (PO box, WU check-cashing, etc), which is why we don't (and will never) sell to people above the age of 23+. Sorry, but we're not the only fake ID vendor.


I have read a lot of stupid shit by a lot of stupid people. And I have seen a lot of stupid vendors say and do stupid shit.

BUT your reasoning that the chances of a 16-23 to commit identity theft at 1%  and you saying no one over the age of 23 would need a fake ID unless it is for some fraudulent use witch is why you don't and never will sell to people above the age of 23 is the stupidest....by far...reasoning I have read from a vendor in over 1 year of reading stupid shit.

With your reasoning...why go above the age of 20? Why would a 23yo need a fake ID? And I guess you are only selling these to people that would only use them to get into a bar. Not to buy alcohol as that would be a crime. And I guess the crime of using a fake ID to get into a bar is not a crime to you

Also how the fuck do you know if someone is 26 and tells you they are 22? You don't. In fact you do not know a lot. And buyers should stay the fuck away from you.

Also just for the buyers to know...No one in the vendor only forum would give a fuck if this asshole put your name on the do not vend to list. This guy is clearly about 22 himself and is a dumb fuck vendor. We all know he said EXACTLY what the OP said he did and he has since changed it.

Do not ever let a vendor threaten you because  you left feedback less then 5/5. Though I do believe that you should contact a vendor first and try and work out what your problem is...But when I hear vendors saying "is it fair" I mean come on...who said things are going to be fair?? The buyer can in fact say what he wants in the feedback and leave whatever he wants as feedback. And if you treat the buyers right...you will get 5/5. And if you do not...do not cry about it, or threaten a buyer over it.

 I knew when he started off his first post in here saying and I quote "it was very immature to post a thread behind my back" that we were dealing with an idiot...I just had no clue he would be this stupid.

And other vendors that are chiming in about how they (the buyers) really do not understand all the idiots that we deal with...well that is 100% true...being a vendor here means dealing with people that make this vendor look like Einstein...Yes they are 10x worse then this guy...the fact is...this vendor and this problem has nothing to do with any of that. And dealing with idiots is part of what you sign up for as a vendor..we are supposed to...as vendors...always do the right thing when vending and not act like the morons we sometimes have to deal with. And for sure not be as stupid as some of the buyers. In this case...this vendor is a moron. WITH OUT QUESTION! The fact he put this BULLSHIT UP and the other shit he has said in here alone should get him suspended for a bit. Just so he can read up and understand the vendor "laws" so to speak. New vendors should have to pass a test before they vend. If that was the case....he would not be a vendor. And under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you threaten to give out a buyers information..no matter how stupid they are.

This vendor needs to be suspended for saying the shit he has. PERIOD.

First of all, I'd like to point out that using a fake ID to gain access to a 21+ establishment is much less harmful than using it for fraudulent uses. And what are you even saying with the "why go above the age of 20" question? The drinking age in the USA is 21, and we obviously condone the use of a fake ID for liquor stores, bars, and night clubs, so obviously it should be at least 21. And we raised it to 23 to allow the buyer some leeway in case he/she thinks it's "suspicious" to have an ID that says your 21. We don't know your age, so you can be 40 and order a fake ID that says your 23, but good luck having that pass at USPS when trying to open a fake P.O. box. I don't care how many vendors call us out for this because we're not going to change the rule EVER. We don't have a problem with teenagers purchasing alcohol because we believe the drinking age is 3 years too high. And now you might say "Oh, so you're cool with teenagers drinking and driving and then killing an innocent family?"; if that teenager didn't purchase a fake ID from us, he would have stolen the alcohol from his parents or had an older sibling purchase it for him, so that point is moot. If you ever decide to make fake IDs, I hope you can live with selling to a terrorist or someone using the ID to purchase an untraceable firearm that may someday kill your son/daughter. It's fucked up that you'd even expect us to sell to these kinds of people. Silk Road is much more than an "anything goes" community. Do you see firearms here? Do you see child porn here? No, and that is intentional you scumbag piece of shit.

Not once did I threaten a buyer's personal information; don't try and twist my words into something else. Being a vendor means being respectful to customers and treating them properly, but it does NOT mean you have to lose money from the not-so-legitimate customers.

YOU should be suspended for being so disrespectful and close-minded about this situation. It's a damn shame.
Has it ever occurred to you that people over the age of 23 might want a fake id so they can open a PO box (not in their own name) so they can get drugs mailed to somewhere other than their residence?
And mods please correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think it's against the rules to get a fake id so you can get a PO box to you have a place to get your SR drugs mailed to..
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Woger on June 02, 2013, 06:51 pm
@FauxyDocs
Nice, so instead of owning up to your mistake, you prefer to try to distract with some fiction that my post looking for quality fake IDs has anything to do with your mistake.

You are such a child! It's amazing really.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Leftovercrackmaniac on June 02, 2013, 06:59 pm
I reported him... There is absolutely no sense in having this kind of behavior on SilkRoad.

Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: joywind on June 02, 2013, 07:17 pm
Could this be Synaptic (a scammer)?

He used to have the same threat on his vendor page.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: offbeatadam on June 03, 2013, 05:49 am
Looks like OP had an ulterior motive for creating this thread:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=162088.0

In case Woger deletes the thread, here it is:

WANTED: Non-amateur fake IDs, cuz the offerings rights now, well they suck donkey dick. Check it:

Theyre basically 2 fake ID vendors on SR worth even considering (and several not worth considering), but both of the 2 show signs of amateur and not srs quality:

1) FauxyDocs
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/77da159d57/10
99% feedback is good, but have no confidence, cuz they state flat out only sell to "16-23 yr olds for bitches and bottles" meaning theyre shit 'aint up to scratch save for use by kids messin about.

Theyz more reasons than "bitches & booze" for fake ID, as my customers tell me, so these  guys aain't it.

Doesn't hep theyre profile basically blackmails buyers threatening to blacklist the drop name & addy on buyers who don't give 5/5, so they can do a crap job, argue they didn't, and buyer has no fucking choice? Not cool!

Why is that shit even allowed here on SR? That kinda vendor attitude fucks it up for both buyers & vendors!

Plus theyre review thread on the forum has only 1 real reveiw from some dumb kid who already got grilled hard 3 times using theyre IDs.

So much for these jokers.

Looks like he's having difficulties finding quality forgeries, and so decided to take a different angle (vendor "blackmail") to cover up the true source of his anger.

Oh, and if you hadn't already figured it out, we don't sell to 25+ year olds because we don't want to sell to anyone with potential harmful intentions. Seems like most of the community disagrees with that decision, but it's our decision, and it's final.

Fraud is fraud. It might be a misdemeanor in some places for a minor to go in and get drinks, but make no mistake about it: you created a fake ID. That, is fraud. And, I think you might want to check your morals. Giving minors a greater chance of making a stupid drunk driving decision, is a lot more harmful than a 40 year old trying to get a PO Box under a false name. You might also want to think about the assumptions you make. He made that thread because he is having issues finding quality forgeries. Quality is not strictly applied to only the product received, it is also applied to the quality of the transaction itself.

This thread was started to question the legitimacy of the claims you made in your profile. Coming to defend yourself is not a bad thing, but doing so in a tantrum is. You don't do yourself any favors by raging and demonstrating that you may, very well, do what everyone is here discussing. Anger does many things, and it can be more powerful than any drug in causing irrational decisions. Based on your demeanor in this thread, whether your vendor profile says it or not, I don't trust that you won't. You need to relax, this thread started out as merely criticism of the harshness that you implied with your profile, not a direct attack on you. It only became that, after you pushed it in that direction.

Taking action against scammers and those who would intentionally lie for harms sake, is an implied result of wronging another individual. You should take action. Threatening with what could be determined as a method for incriminating one in the performed acts, is not the way you go about it. That is what this thread, is all about. There are plenty of other profiles, who give extremely powerful threats, while maintaining the essence that is SR.

I think you should examine what it is to be a vendor here, and remind yourself that there will be those that try to get one over on you. If you let them make a fool out of you, by driving you to behave the way you have here, you will be out of business whether your IDs are good or not.
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: Technician on June 04, 2013, 07:24 am
I actually got a vendors account suspended one time because he threatened to send me an oz of "reggie weed" just wrapped in toilet paper to my drop. I contacted SR Support and Ajapai was gone the same day. Punk
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: joolz on July 16, 2013, 11:31 pm
shit hole was it  chem  .... oh forget it   :'(
Title: Re: Vendor profile openly threatening to blackmail buyers who don't give them 5/5
Post by: GayBruceCampbell on July 17, 2013, 12:52 am
shit hole was it  chem  .... oh forget it   :'(

Joolz get it off your chest son there there come on what is it? I'm a cock sucking faggott and a wog too boot what could be worse than that I ask thee??