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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: AussieMitch on May 17, 2013, 12:59 am
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Read for yourself guys... and stay safe:
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1508217/jail-time-for-web-drug-trafficker/?cs=2452
A man has become the first Illawarra person - and one of only a handful nationwide - to be convicted of trafficking drugs via an underground website.
Christopher Owen was yesterday jailed for a minimum 5½ years for selling large amounts of drugs via the Silk Road - an anonymous, online drug-trading website in which buyers pay for illegal substances using the Bitcoin virtual currency.
Wollongong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home, shipping MDMA (ecstasy), the horse tranquiliser ketamine and methylamphetamine to customers across the country.
Police documents tendered to the court said police found various amounts of drugs organised in Australia Post envelopes when Owen was pulled over and his car searched in West Wollongong on April 27 last year.
The envelopes were addressed to different people across the country. Police also found more than $1000 cash and two mobile phones linked to Owen's drug deals in the car.
However, the full extent of the drug operation was not known until officers searched Owen's recently renovated bedroom.
Inside, they found a "mini office" with computers, a safe, drugs, scales, cutting agents, about $14,000 in cash and a drug ledger with a record of transactions.
An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a user name and password for the Silk Road website, of which he was an active member for about two months.
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
The court heard records from the website showed Owen supplied 172 MDMA pills in 28 separate transactions from April 16 to April 26 last year, as well as shipping three packages of unknown drugs in separate transactions during the same period.
In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
The court heard that Owen became hooked on ice when he was 20 but managed to keep his addiction and drug operation a secret from his parents.
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Judge Paul Conlon yesterday accepted that Owen had no prior criminal convictions, had good prospects of rehabilitation and had entered guilty pleas at the earliest opportunity, entitling him to a 25 per cent discount on his final sentence.
He ordered Owen to spend a minimum of 5½ years in jail with a further five years on parole.
With time already served, Owen will be eligible for parole on October 26, 2017.
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he was pulled over and sounds young so obviously his driving was a factor and was what probably got him in all this trouble...
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do we know what vendor it was?
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im sure some1 can figure out who it was?
I feel bad for this guy, but a few lessons to be learnt
An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a user name and password for the Silk Road website
I mean COME ON. Dont you have a fucking brain??!?!? Why do u have to record this?
nside, they found a "mini office" with computers, a safe, drugs, scales, cutting agents
cutting agents.. asshole
"high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
obviously not.. if your cutting it
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he was pulled over and sounds young so obviously his driving was a factor and was what probably got him in all this trouble...
I would suspect they had been watching him for some time and knew he was up to dealing..The random traffic stops that produce such operations is very rare, however I am not that familiar with the Aussie ops. ;)
This is a perfect example of why you need to keep things safe. A FUCKING LEDGER! Come on, code that muther, or better yet don't keep one.
Pass codes in your cell, crymi mate this has to open some eyes..
Yes it would be nice to know the vendor name..
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you suspest they were watching him drop letters in a mailbox everyday ? i doubt that unless he was dealing highly outside SR in his community which would be stupid in my opinion
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he was pulled over and sounds young so obviously his driving was a factor and was what probably got him in all this trouble...
Yes, it definitely sounds like his long incarceration could have been avoided. The sad thing is the police can make a million mistakes but we can only afford to make one.
The main pieces of evidence he left that could have been avoided:
1. Mobile phones linking him to drug transactions
2. A ledger of his transactions (NEVER do this)
3. His Silk Road user name and password (Obviously this should be very long and stored only in your memory)
4. Trafficable amounts of drugs kept on his property (Keep them buried in the woods or store them in a safe location when not in use like a post box in the area you control or at a trusted friends house with no criminal record. Burying them is best obviously)
5. Unexplainable cash
6. Driving a car that even had the slightest risk in being pulled over (I'm just speculating here but it seems likely he was either driving a suss vehicle, driving a car in his own name or driving erratically. I personally won't transport drugs in any vehicle that an old woman wouldn't drive)
7. Scales and cutting agents with no plausible deniability as to why one would have those items.
Vendors take note, it's better to learn from someone else's mistakes than your own!
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you suspest they were watching him drop letters in a mailbox everyday ? i doubt that unless he was dealing highly outside SR in his community which would be stupid in my opinion
Police around the world have actually been tracing packages and staking out mailboxes/Postal Offices to see who is dropping off an unusual amount of packages every week.
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you suspest they were watching him drop letters in a mailbox everyday ? i doubt that unless he was dealing highly outside SR in his community which would be stupid in my opinion
How's your opinion on all of this;
"The main pieces of evidence he left that could have been avoided:
1. Mobile phones linking him to drug transactions
2. A ledger of his transactions (NEVER do this)
3. His Silk Road user name and password (Obviously this should be very long and stored only in your memory)
4. Trafficable amounts of drugs kept on his property (Keep them buried in the woods or store them in a safe location when not in use like a post box in the area you control or at a trusted friends house with no criminal record. Burying them is best obviously)
5. Unexplainable cash
6. Driving a car that even had the slightest risk in being pulled over (I'm just speculating here but it seems likely he was either driving a suss vehicle, driving a car in his own name or driving erratically. I personally won't transport drugs in any vehicle that an old woman wouldn't drive)
7. Scales and cutting agents with no plausible deniability as to why one would have those items.
Read the thread carefully and you see there are many stupid things that can be seen. So how difficult is it to think this dumb ass did a BUNCH more that was even more STUPID than what is mentioned here. They never, ever tell the true story to the public. The more they can put unsettling thoughts in people's head the more POWER they gain. Come on think for a minute. Do they really want us to know that this was more than a traffic stop. No, hell no. That would give up far to much information on their operations.
Use some common sense and read carefully before you post such stupid comments. :)
Peace and Love.... ;) Keep smiling
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you suspest they were watching him drop letters in a mailbox everyday ? i doubt that unless he was dealing highly outside SR in his community which would be stupid in my opinion
Police around the world have actually been tracing packages and staking out mailboxes/Postal Offices to see who is dropping off an unusual amount of packages every week.
As well every drop mail box has a camera focused on it. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Yes it is, it's called ZOOM lenses..
Nice post street.. :)
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One thing, and the MOST IMPORTANT thing is he DID NOT GET BUSTED BECAUSE OF SILK ROAD!
Nor did he just get randomly pulled over and searched.
CLEARLY he had been drug dealing for some time.
Still sucks for him. BUT the fact he kept a ledger, his passwords ect...FUCK HIM. He deserves to go to jail just on the fact he was very, very, very, stupid.
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Did a little fact checking on this. Other than the link provided I could not find any court records or the original newspaper source.
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An opportunity for LE to become an established vendor. Nice. Dumbfuck.
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- 15 May 09:30 Sentence Criminal District Unassigned Wollongong Unassigned R v Christopher John Owen 201200136800
- 16 May 09:30 Sentence Criminal District Unassigned Wollongong Unassigned R v Christopher John Owen 201200136800
Transcript hasn't been written up yet...?
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did he disobey rule # 1 ?????
never say anything when pinched ? prolly!
this is not evidence that any vendor here has been busted by doing anything else but being stupid irl!
when LE decides to spends the millions that it will take to mess with us is the day when real shit will happen.
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anyone know which vendor it was yet ?
that msg sounded familiar.. but can't quite remember...
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One thing, and the MOST IMPORTANT thing is he DID NOT GET BUSTED BECAUSE OF SILK ROAD!
Nor did he just get randomly pulled over and searched.
CLEARLY he had been drug dealing for some time.
Still sucks for him. BUT the fact he kept a ledger, his passwords ect...FUCK HIM. He deserves to go to jail just on the fact he was very, very, very, stupid.
Agree!
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whether he was being targeted before this traffic stop, we don't know. What's scary is this, he was keeping a ledger and he had his SR user/pass right out in the open in his phone. Which means LE could login as him, see all his history which they can match up to his ledger to gain a bigger picture. They can take over his account and do all sorts of nefarious shit.
As far as who it was, could be one of those times where a trusted vendor had all the sudden stopped shipping and messaging for a length of time. When LE takes it over, depending on what they want to do with it, could easily make up some excuse for why they stopped shipping and answering messages. Then from there, who knows what they do.
The scary part is.... how many other vendors here keep ledgers of any kind, whether it be some spreadsheet on their PC or some paper copy they have laying around. How many keep our addresses in some shape or form, for whatever reason.... to keep a list of their customers, to have addresses to help pinpoint customers who might be trying to scam them.
We know there are going to be security conscious vendors who do everything to protect themselves and their customers, and there's going to be vendors that try and be safe but are lax in certain areas and then we got vendors who probably don't give a shit or vendors who aren't very computer literate and therefore everything is out there in the open.
We just saw from the vendor that got hacked. He fell for a easy to spot fake message, then fell for clicking on some random site that got him to give up his PIN number. The message didn't even pass a PGP signature verification. We see all those vendors who say "ahh, pgp if you have to, but not necessary"
One should not only be researching vendors who ship out as advertised product, who have good communication, who have good stealth, but also ones that you trust are probably not saving your personal info in any way.
I've been in IT for over 2 decades and I have seen it all, when it comes to what people do on their PC's. What they save, where they save it and how stealthy they actually are. You would be amazed at the amount of personal info that people save and how easy they make to find it or be able to access it.
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if any vendor stores information; use TrueCrypt
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if any vendor stores information; use TrueCrypt
Shouldn't be more than a few kb worth of spreadsheet in the container plus additional filler material. Anything more is unnecessary. That can be kept on thumb-drive for emergency destruction. But what do I know, I'm not a vendor. If Serpent-Twofish-AES makes me look paranoid then so be it.
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If the report is accurate (and it can also not be) then I wonder how can one be so stupid.
Ledger? C'mon! Password + user account in a phone? Oh my... how can one be so imbecile? (if you need to store the pass somewhere at the very least don't tie to it the username, ffs!)
Drugs and cutting agents in the place where he lives? C'mon!
Now the problem is that LE (again if the report is true) can have all the addresses of the buyers (given the stupidity of the guy I would not bet either a cent that he hasn't kept all the info of the people he made transactions with) and they have an established vendor account to get even more until we cannot establish who the person was here in the SR.
I cannot believe that people can be so idiot, really, especially if you are a vendor.
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Woollongong is a few hours drive south of Sydney Oz, and is almost be described as "a big country town" . . . any 20yo kid with a bit of cash and a flash car, and no visible income becomes a target for local cops, who target the local kids anyway ... but, this kid was probably driving a bit fast and got pulled, and in Oz, when they stop you, they dont really need a 'reason' to search you,
just a "suspicion" you "might have" drugs or weapons in the vehicle.
In Oz, a traffic stop id one of the common methods cops bust people down here, shit, been done 3 times myself from trafffic stops and subsequent searches! So they pulled this kid, and the contraband they found in the car, gave them a reason to search his house...his parent's house where this "20 and bulletproof" kid felt completely secure . . . who knows what his parents did, but he might/must have "thought" the cops would never raid them...and maybe he was right, that is UNTIL the cops pull him over with tons of fuckin evidence! Fuck Me! this is kinda scary for his customers sake!
As many have commented pool playa in particular, I have to agree, it IS truly scary,
BUT, fortunately we can fairly safely assume the "weak link in the chain" here, was the kid, and his driving/car, and the high possibility his new found wealth was being flaunted and he had made someone angry/jealous in this relatively small town (IIRC <50,000peeps) and IMO Woolongong is infamous for it's traffic cops, coz the main highway to/from Melbourne goes straight through it, and they are fuckin everywhere in their hot as highway pursuit vehicles ...
As for what they "found" at his home.....faaaarkin hell! Just faark! I REALLY hope I dont know/do biz with any vendors like this! wow...just WOW!
man I drive at fuckin EXACTLY the speed limit for 15-20kms either side of any of these "regional cities" in Oz coz trhe coppers are just rabid,...and yes motek had had about 5 too many traffic tickets going through Woolongong! and dozens from regional zones within 20kms of one of these big towns/small cities
And Woolongong is a Cunt of a place really, 20 odd years ago it was a dark dirty town that kinda weirded me out, now they've tarted the place up and it's become more touristy .... fucked if I can figure why anyone would WANT to go to there, except when passing through, like about 50,000 cars a day do... lots of bored kids, and no doubt pissed off tweaskers also!
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Lots of things I'm sure vendors here don't think about. If you taking a phone, especially an iPhone with you when doing your drops, turn it off unless you want LE to have a mapped out log of where you have been. Don't keep anything incriminating on it, a simple wipe or delete still allows for data to be retrieved from your phone. We know they will examine your phone and use it as evidence if they find anything, same as with SHADH1,
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......As for what they "found" at his home.....faaaarkin hell! Just faark! I REALLY hope I dont know/do biz with any vendors like this! wow...just WOW!......
Uhhhh, yeah. you'd think the cost of a vendor account would alleviate these egregious missteps but apparently not.
I truly do feel bad reading these accounts from AUS though, very depressing. They seem to have quite the system going to eliminate problem citizens. rough. :-\
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In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
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That does not sound right.
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Lots of things I'm sure vendors here don't think about. If you taking a phone, especially an iPhone with you when doing your drops, turn it off unless you want LE to have a mapped out log of where you have been.
Don't trust iPhones to turn off, they are still on even when off.
Get a phone where you can remove the battery.
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Lots of things I'm sure vendors here don't think about.
Yep, so many people impatiently jump into the game of vending without having spent at least several MONTHS thinking about EVERY DETAIL. So many mistakes here, stash at home, dealer material at home, USERNAME in your own phone, etc...Dumb Dumb.
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wow, interesting article. but if he had cutting agents...hmmm perhaps that's karma biting him on the ass?
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In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
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That does not sound right.
Definitely wrong. 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.
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Any vendor running a decent sized OP probably has people working for him, for example, we make our product in 1 state, we ship it from another, and our customer service department/owner lives in a different state. The email accounts that are used to communicate between the company is a very expensive email account that is secure, all messages we send use 4096 bit RSA asymmetric key encryption and the account can be deleted with a click of a bottom with nothing stored after the account is deleted. The FED's would have to show up at the of shore hosting provider with warrants in hand then they would have to try to retrieve data that has been deleted from the server and if they manage to get this far they would have to be able to break the encryption before even reading a message. This being said there are ways to communicate with out leaving yourself open to become a victim to LE. Before anyone does anything they should always plan far enough ahead where these types of problems never occur.
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In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
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That does not sound right.
Definitely wrong. 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.
Court estimate actually works out to exactly $5 per coin - so they probably did him a favor by doing that - if they had worked it out on a sale by sale basis it could be much higher.
(after some searching, turns out coins cost about $5 each back in april 2012)
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In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
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That does not sound right.
Definitely wrong. 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.
Actually, 1 year ago when this guy was vending the price of bitcoin was under $10. So yeah, that's pretty correct.
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5 1/2 years for importing mass amounts of illegal narcotics?
That's well worth the risk.
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5 1/2 years of male on male non-consensual anal and oral sex - that's enough incentive for me to use encryption instead of keeping a diary.
It's national news that he stored his passwords in his phone & more, the entire prison will know this, old mate is in for a rough time.
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SHAD1 must of been this guys mentor.
Best of luck in the clink with Big Bubba.
OUCH
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5 1/2 years of male on male non-consensual anal and oral sex - that's enough incentive for me to use encryption instead of keeping a diary.
It's national news that he stored his passwords in his phone & more, the entire prison will know this, old mate is in for a rough time.
If he's young and/or in imminent danger in the general population, I'm sure they'll keep him segregated. Maybe. But yeah, he's gonna be sore. Hey honey, pass the KY, will you?
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In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
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That does not sound right.
Definitely wrong. 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.
BTC wasn't always so expensive and if he has been convicted just now then he was busted a fair while back.
@12.50 per BTC ( around Dec last year I think it was about this price point.) its only about $22 000 so it is actually more than likely the correct figure... I know who would have thought that a figure used in sentencing someone was accurate? I'm sure his lawyer would have been right onto it with ensuring as much as possible the facts are correct.
Might be one of 3 I can think of off the top of my head.... Will wait and see.
I'd refrain from going to any .gov.au sites and reading this type of transcript without being sure you are being safe. Use Tor and be very very sus on pdf files etc from these sites. I know if I was a cop I'd be watching the people who are researching transcripts for this trial especially so soon after... Just another piece to the puzzle for em but still...
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5 years of getting raped for $20k (minus what you spend on getting the product etc) doesn't really seem worth it..
unless ofcourse you enjoy a good raping...
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In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
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That does not sound right.
Definitely wrong. 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.
Actually, 1 year ago when this guy was vending the price of bitcoin was under $10. So yeah, that's pretty correct.
So who is it? Sorry I think I'm fairly sure anyway but I may be wrong now I'm thinking cause a year ago is on the knifes edge of when I actually went from an observer to a participant here (SR that is)
So sad... Yeah he was silly, made lots of mistakes and ultimately has no one else to blame but himself however....
Its not funny that he will be, more than likely, physically and emotionally abused in prison. What hope does he really have now? He will come out of the place as a better brand of criminal and will more than likely be recruited into an OMC and 'groomed' into a violent and angry person. He did have a fairly good operation going by the sounds of it and with the right guidance he could have been very successful and for a very long time too.
He obviously has the skills required to run a business, he is internet/tech savvy (granted lazy and arrogant with the safety stuff but still..), must have been good with customers and suppliers alike and sounded like an 'organized' person with regards to the 'order assembly line' sounding like a real system and not just shoot from the hip stuff...
Society has let this person down by our laws on illicit drugs and the fact that if they had been different this young entrepreneur may have walked a very different path.. After all had he either not become addicted to gear in the first place or hadn't had to face the realization that to support his habit at the prices here in Au he was going to need to be earning a fuckit load of cash... No surprise he he went the way he did given the high profit and the access to better stuff this all gets you..
I know of serious violent criminals, assaults, rapes, kiddie fiddling etc etc, that haven't gotten the length of time this fucker got! its pathetic that they actually consider this a worse crime and him a greater danger to the community that the countless POS that get good behavior or suspended sentences or 12 -18 month and parole after 60% served... The thing about jail/prison is that the first time its not the length so much as the going in .. Once you have that on you your life options are limited and it will never go away.. People go in and as soon as 3 months later (if they are lucky to have such a short visit) they come out different and never in a good way..
Fucking sad day. I for one will be taking a day to review my security as a way of marking and remembering...
I want to organize a a secret flash mob that would have to be a big one but basically protesting (by civil disobedience) the fucked up laws here. Idea is EVERY smoker and sympathetic to the cause flash mob a police station and light up a fat blunt... Well some will have real stuff others it would be fake but through over whelming numbers and some creative looking fakes we could both make a statement of solidarity and make the prospect of arresting and charging anyone almost impossible.. Lab tests aren't cheap and finding 6 real joints in a crowd of tens of thousands.. not to mention then convicting them...
The police are going to be happier and more fulfilled people when they don't have to over look the fact they are making no difference in the community and arguably making it a worse situation.. Too much pressure to get the "druggies' and so the real crimes and the community improvement that they could be doing is missed.
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Even though this guy got busted because his car was searched, I think a huge problem was that he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Honestly after all that has happened with the police and busts in Australia I will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole. It has just been jinxed from the start.... Just my opinion- take it with a grain of salt. But seriously if you do ship to Australia, BE CAREFUL!
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I believe it is MrNiceGuy007... LE is probably using his account to contact everyone he was dealing with.... We need to find out who this was for sure but I believe he is the one...
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I think a huge problem was that he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Honestly after all that has happened with the police and busts in Australia I will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole.
Poor fucking Aussies. Why is their government so oppressive? I mean the whole fucking island was a penal colony filled with fucking criminals. Are they trying to glean out the last of the rebels? I feel bad for all of them. You need good drugs, you want good drugs, you deserve good drugs. Come over here to where I am and I'll hook you up you poor fucking Aussies. Oye, oye, fucking oye.
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I believe it is MrNiceGuy007... LE is probably using his account to contact everyone he was dealing with.... We need to find out who this was for sure but I believe he is the one...
I don't think so.. That vendor is selling weed and the one that got busted didn't.
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drugs are drugs kids...
whether they are in a bubble mailer, priority, or Express pack..
if you're en route to deliver.. and you think it's a risk of getting pulled over..
stash them.. like you're delivering to a client face to face. be smard..
/thumbs
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Country is irrelevant, drug busts happen all over the world. Their has been several Silk Road related in the USA lately and a big one in Germany just recently. This guy was just unlucky that he got pulled over and at the time was doing a mail drop. The only reason it made the news was because they could link it back to Silk Road because of lax security. I read a lot of posts here were I am sure a lot of users here have their head buried in the sand and because they and have no real life drug experience and are using the postal system to either sell or get drugs they think they are untouchable.
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The bust in Germany wasn't SR related as far as I know. The pictures of his packages in the article didn't look SR-like at all, they were all extremely suspicious.
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Lots of things I'm sure vendors here don't think about. If you taking a phone, especially an iPhone with you when doing your drops, turn it off unless you want LE to have a mapped out log of where you have been.
Don't trust iPhones to turn off, they are still on even when off.
Get a phone where you can remove the battery.
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Could not agree more. I used to have an iPhone and I used to turn it off for 5-6 hours and when I turned it back on the battery was always 5-10% lower.
I would never trust Apple of Google with anything. For all we know, Apple and Google would have easy access to our phones and could search through them. I would never trust it.
If you take the battery out there is no way for anything to be tracked.
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I think a huge problem was that he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Honestly after all that has happened with the police and busts in Australia I will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole.
Poor fucking Aussies. Why is their government so oppressive? I mean the whole fucking island was a penal colony filled with fucking criminals. Are they trying to glean out the last of the rebels? I feel bad for all of them. You need good drugs, you want good drugs, you deserve good drugs. Come over here to where I am and I'll hook you up you poor fucking Aussies. Oye, oye, fucking oye.
They search cars all the time. All they need is "suspicion" there is drugs inside.
So pretty much if you are young and they want to search your car, they will.
And they tear the car apart and throw it all on the ground outside and then when they are done they just leave and you have to put everything back in.
It's really fucked up. And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
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I believe it is MrNiceGuy007... LE is probably using his account to contact everyone he was dealing with.... We need to find out who this was for sure but I believe he is the one...
I'm 99.99% sure that it wasn't MrNiceGuy007 as that particular vendor has fallen for every scam message doing the rounds - he recently fell for the "SR investment" scam and the "vendor login panel" phishing scam, then asked us for donations because he lost money.
He also thought that the Vendor Bond was an investment of some kind and kept asking if he could he do it again. ??? I don't think LE would be bringing that much attention to themselves.
Libertas
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And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
The reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.
That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(
Libertas
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Even though this guy got busted because his car was searched, I think a huge problem was that he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Honestly after all that has happened with the police and busts in Australia I will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole. It has just been jinxed from the start.... Just my opinion- take it with a grain of salt. But seriously if you do ship to Australia, BE CAREFUL!
Did you even read the article ???
He lived in Australia and was sending within Australia.
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And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
The reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.
That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(
Libertas
Julia Gillard is looking more and more like Senator Palpatine, soon everyone will see her for what she really is - a power hungry lawyer looking to line her pockets with your income tax.
If only the majority would do more research into who runs their country, instead of believing whatever they are told on TV, Radio & Print.
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And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
The reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.
That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(
Libertas
I've tried talking to some people who agree with laws like this. There is no changing their mind. They have this absurd belief that every additional the power have over "criminals" is a good thing. Some people have such strong beliefs that the Government is protecting us from the evils of the world. The reality is that they are not. They don't really do anything except dull down and make life more miserable for the average person. A lof of people think it is ok that police can search a car with pretty much no reason. Do they not care about their own privacy? I don't understand how anyone can just accept that police could search their car and go through all their private things for no proper reason.
I still think that in the years to come, police will have the power to randomly search homes. That will be a sad day.
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And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
The reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.
That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(
Libertas
I've tried talking to some people who agree with laws like this. There is no changing their mind. They have this absurd belief that every additional the power have over "criminals" is a good thing. Some people have such strong beliefs that the Government is protecting us from the evils of the world. The reality is that they are not. They don't really do anything except dull down and make life more miserable for the average person. A lof of people think it is ok that police can search a car with pretty much no reason. Do they not care about their own privacy? I don't understand how anyone can just accept that police could search their car and go through all their private things for no proper reason.
I still think that in the years to come, police will have the power to randomly search homes. That will be a sad day.
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Wollongong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home
LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little while. Every rule of the book shattered to pieces
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And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
The reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.
That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(
Libertas
I've tried talking to some people who agree with laws like this. There is no changing their mind. They have this absurd belief that every additional the power have over "criminals" is a good thing. Some people have such strong beliefs that the Government is protecting us from the evils of the world. The reality is that they are not. They don't really do anything except dull down and make life more miserable for the average person. A lot of people think it is ok that police can search a car with pretty much no reason. Do they not care about their own privacy? I don't understand how anyone can just accept that police could search their car and go through all their private things for no proper reason.
I still think that in the years to come, police will have the power to randomly search homes. That will be a sad day.
They already do, if you understand it only takes a creative mind to be able to come up with the statement that the judge will say " Yes this was a legally justified search based on the Officer(s) reporting..." There was a time not so long ago(10yrs) that I happened to be in a position where I interacted a great deal with LE. I learned a great deal about them. Such as how and why they do what they do. I will not get into much of anything in this thread because that is not what this is for.
With regards to them(LE) searching w/o warrants, they are trained with a great many tools on "How to Get Anything on Anybody". Yep this is an actual title of a book that was over 2000 pages long that is a standard class for agents to pursue advancement in their field. It was freighting when one of them showed it to me and some of the course work.
So, don't for a moment think that these people sit around and wait for shit to just fall in their lap. They know how to create it when needed to suit their cause.
We, SR's, have to study and learn to be several steps ahead or we will be crushed and the world we live in will be for shit. Be smart and learn as much as possible as fast as possible. Be safe
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And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
The reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.
That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(
Libertas
Julia Gillard is looking more and more like Senator Palpatine, soon everyone will see her for what she really is - a power hungry lawyer looking to line her pockets with your income tax.
If only the majority would do more research into who runs their country, instead of believing whatever they are told on TV, Radio & Print.
+1
Living in Australia is embarrassing nowadays. The amount of nanny laws that already exist and ones that are in planning or currently going through parliament is crazy.
Apparently they are there to protect us. I don't see the need for ISP's to retain data for TWO YEARS "in case data is needed to help prosecute a criminal."
Any smart criminal would use TOR, VPN or use another location. If this law goes through, ISP's will have to retain data for two years which will cost them enormous amounts of money and that will be passed on to the consumer. As if living in Australia isn't already expensive enough. There is so many things the Gillard Government is doing a terrible job of. This needs a topic on the philosophy section. I will get around to starting a thread about Australian politics in the next few weeks when I have a bit more time.
The budget they just announced is a total disaster as well. Promising a budget surplus, but instead they created one of the largest deficits on record (for Australia).
The faster they repay the debt (within reason), the better. The money that would otherwise be sent on interest in the years to come could otherwise be spent on things that are really needed.
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And the worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
The reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.
That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(
Libertas
Julia Gillard is looking more and more like Senator Palpatine, soon everyone will see her for what she really is - a power hungry lawyer looking to line her pockets with your income tax.
If only the majority would do more research into who runs their country, instead of believing whatever they are told on TV, Radio & Print.
Here I was all this time Today Tonight, ACA and the 7:30 Report were telling me the truth all these years and our political parties weren't bought by the banksters, media tycoons and companbies such as Amatil and Microsoft... that'll teach me better no longer will I believe Stacy Grimshaw and our most beloved Dear Leader... Julia, born another country and sold us out to China and her Commie allies Gillard! ::)
Julia Gillard is so fucking sexy... I wish I was Tim! :P
- JWM 8)
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Wollongong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home
LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little while. Every rule of the book shattered to pieces
What do you mean by that?
He was a hack? :-\
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Wollongong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home
LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little while. Every rule of the book shattered to pieces
What do you mean by that?
He was a hack? :-\
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Wollongong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home
LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little while. Every rule of the book shattered to pieces
What do you mean by that?
He was a hack? :-\
Here in the states, when you call someone a hack, you are saying that they are a wannabee, they are garbage, they aren't the real deal. It has nothing to do with computer hacking lol.
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Wollongong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home
LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little while. Every rule of the book shattered to pieces
What do you mean by that?
He was a hack? :-\
Here in the states, when you call someone a hack, you are saying that they are a wannabee, they are garbage, they aren't the real deal. It has nothing to do with computer hacking lol.
Thanks! Sometimes I think I take things too literally.
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Even though this guy got busted because his car was searched, I think a huge problem was that he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Honestly after all that has happened with the police and busts in Australia I will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole. It has just been jinxed from the start.... Just my opinion- take it with a grain of salt. But seriously if you do ship to Australia, BE CAREFUL!
this is the the fucking stupidist thing I have ever fucking read.
How is it any more dangerous for an O/S vendor to send to Australia rather than any other international country. The Myth of the strict customs is just bullshit.
Also THere have been plenty of busts O/S. What about MoveItNice?
Not to mention, Americans have a much stronger pentally system that Australia. Over there you can goto jail just for personal amounts, And dont get me started on the three strike laws.
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whether he was being targeted before this traffic stop, we don't know. What's scary is this, he was keeping a ledger and he had his SR user/pass right out in the open in his phone. Which means LE could login as him, see all his history which they can match up to his ledger to gain a bigger picture. They can take over his account and do all sorts of nefarious shit.
I haven't read the whole tread yet, but I just had a thought. If this story is true and the administration can find out who the vendor was, wouldn't if be safe for them to ban the vendor to make sure LE doesn't do anything? I think that should be standard policy.
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i think weve all agreed that Australia sucks for this game
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"I haven't read the whole tread yet, but I just had a thought. If this story is true and the administration can find out who the vendor was, wouldn't if be safe for them to ban the vendor to make sure LE doesn't do anything?"
This ^^^ is not such a bad idea .... in fact it's downright sensible ... +1 to you Bro.
and as for "i think weve all agreed that Australia sucks for this game" .... who's "we" white man? As GUS said, the belief Oz customs are some kind of all powerful mob IS bullshit.
IF it were "true" neither I or any other aussies would be here posting ... think about it!
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"I haven't read the whole tread yet, but I just had a thought. If this story is true and the administration can find out who the vendor was, wouldn't if be safe for them to ban the vendor to make sure LE doesn't do anything?"
This ^^^ is not such a bad idea .... in fact it's downright sensible ... +1 to you Bro.
and as for "i think weve all agreed that Australia sucks for this game" .... who's "we" white man? As GUS said, the belief Oz customs are some kind of all powerful mob IS bullshit.
IF it were "true" neither I or any other aussies would be here posting ... think about it!
Agreed, motek.
When your talking about one or two vendors (due to non SR related activity mostly) out of say 100 vendors from that country, whichever country then stats are irrelevant. It could just as easily be any country.
Its like saying - They caught two Aussies, therefore New Zealand is the best possible place to vend since 0% of them have been caught, ridiculous when your talking such low numbers.
Could have put someone with that level of organization and systems/ procedures and he is likely to get caught. Low hanging fruit indeed.
better established, security conscious and organized vendors in any country so far don't ever get caught. If (when) they do it won't be because of anything SR related.
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"I haven't read the whole tread yet, but I just had a thought. If this story is true and the administration can find out who the vendor was, wouldn't if be safe for them to ban the vendor to make sure LE doesn't do anything?"
This ^^^ is not such a bad idea .... in fact it's downright sensible ... +1 to you Bro.
and as for "i think weve all agreed that Australia sucks for this game" .... who's "we" white man? As GUS said, the belief Oz customs are some kind of all powerful mob IS bullshit.
IF it were "true" neither I or any other aussies would be here posting ... think about it!
Agreed, motek.
When your talking about one or two vendors (due to non SR related activity mostly) out of say 100 vendors from that country, whichever country then stats are irrelevant. It could just as easily be any country.
Its like saying - They caught two Aussies, therefore New Zealand is the best possible place to vend since 0% of them have been caught, ridiculous when your talking such low numbers.
Could have put someone with that level of organization and systems/ procedures and he is likely to get caught. Low hanging fruit indeed.
better established, security conscious and organized vendors in any country so far don't ever get caught. If (when) they do it won't be because of anything SR related.
Mmm dunno about 0% , looks like the largest vendor we had in NZ got busted , name was FunForEveryone.. He disappeared in early February with a 'gone on holiday' message. Just judging by that and this quote I believe he did get busted. "A drug dealer's February arrest in New Zealand was referred to as the first ever criminal conviction involving a Silk Road transaction. Federal police said they were able to gain information about the dealer from his Silk Road profile, so they warned others that the marketplace is not entirely anonymous." Don't think he revealed anything on his profile but rather was caught through selling in real life or crappy posting/using easily traced courier services.. Really I don't know what happened but he sure is gone!
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Couple of thoughts/points; re getting caught driving; ironically a couple of our biggest busts have been flukes; can pulled over for some stupid reason, turns out it's got buckets (literally) of pills in it is one that springs to mind.
There's dumb dealers getting busted offline all the time; people are kidding themselves if they think they can outwit the cops, just because it's online and in the post. That guy was getting caught at some stage, regardless. FFS he couldn't remember a url and password? Geesus.
My tip, here and in real life; don't get cocky, don't get greedy. Fly under the radar and hope you don't end up in the wrong place at the wrong time, like a random pullover (if it was that). And FFS don't think you're smarter than the cops; remember ever professional around the world is pulling together to fight this place because the mums and dads of the world demand their children are safe from the scourge of drugs and demand the politicians do something.
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I know it has been said but I am going to bring it up again. Does anyone have any idea on who the vendor was?
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http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1507381/jail-time-for-figtree-web-trafficker/?cs=12
Do a search on silk road on the papers site, many stories and it is a regional paper
This guy is now in the clutches of the man for 10 plus years and he was not doing it to free up mankind to do with their bodies as they wished
Profit and profiteers will kill the silk road, nothing more surer.
Read the story folks.
Another idiot who writes things down and thinks by answering the coppers questions it will help him out.
Those who use the road to further commercial drug operations will be the ones who ultimately bring it down
Correct me If I am wrong but was not the road created so grower, maker, user could pass on exchange and sell personal amounts to others of the same ilk ?
Not to front large commercial enterprises ? While little fish are in the pond no one will want to throw in the dynamite to blow them up. Now the sharks are in the pond
how much longer before it happens.?
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I don't know the full facts of this case. Having his SilkRoad username and password stored on his phone though, what the fuck was he thinking? That was really dumb. If he was convicted based on SR records, this makes me think vendors should have a kind of doomsday button which permanently erases all feedback, transaction history etc, for a circumstance such as this. Having SilkRoad records used against you in court would really, really suck.
And what's with $14K of illicit funds, just laying around the house? I would have dug a hole so deep they would never have found it.
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im sure some1 can figure out who it was?
I feel bad for this guy, but a few lessons to be learnt
An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a user name and password for the Silk Road website
I mean COME ON. Dont you have a fucking brain??!?!? Why do u have to record this?
nside, they found a "mini office" with computers, a safe, drugs, scales, cutting agents
cutting agents.. asshole
"high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
obviously not.. if your cutting it
This^
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Those who think they know who the vendor is can you either post it or pm me please.
I agree this guy made some mistakes, well a lot as it goes but it is never good to see a life ruined due the application of unjust laws that only serve to coerce and control.
The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state, seems like we need a law to legislate for fucking everything here as personal responsibility is something that is just lost which is a very worrisome trend. Until people start to take some notice and action this will just continue to get worse and as governments start to feel threatened they will try to tighten their grip by introducing even more draconian laws all in the name of "keeping us safe".
I love this country but there is much that is very wrong too.
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Those who think they know who the vendor is can you either post it or pm me please.
I agree this guy made some mistakes, well a lot as it goes but it is never good to see a life ruined due the application of unjust laws that only serve to coerce and control.
The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state, seems like we need a law to legislate for fucking everything here as personal responsibility is something that is just lost which is a very worrisome trend. Until people start to take some notice and action this will just continue to get worse and as governments start to feel threatened they will try to tighten their grip by introducing even more draconian laws all in the name of "keeping us safe".
I love this country but there is much that is very wrong too.
I have to agree with everything you said. Drugs are illegal, but for what reason? It has been proven that alcohol is far more harmful and addictive than some illegal drugs, yet people selling them or using them are criminals? It doesn't make sense, but the vast majority of the population is too stupid to use their own brains and think beyond what the Government has told them and many people are actually terrified of drugs. Some people believe that if they smoke marijuana, that will be their gateway drug to heroin, and if they try marijuana just once, they will end up being a junkie living on the street.
So this guy made mistakes, but now he is in jail and the rest of his life will be ruined because of his convictions. Travelling overseas will be difficult, getting a job, etc.
And yes Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
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The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state
What?! Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live. This guy would have got 25+ years too. It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....
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yes Oz law is much more "reasonable" than US law when it comes to drugs.
IME the maximum we have ever heard someone get for an importing offence,, that isn't from off the charts "king pin" type busts (e.g. tony mokbel) is 6-10years, with many folks on the lower end getting <6yrs!
But 10years = 10years down here... No remissons for quite some time now with the "truth in sentencing" bullshits!
(LE) made me mad motek x
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The vendor who got caught deserved everything he got why I'll tell you why cos he basically got his own dick hard then rammed it up his own arse hole ie he fucked himsrlf good n proper cutting agents ledgers money codes fir SR in your phone boy he must of been an idiot man but like I said he deserves everything he got and more he is sooo lucky with that light prison spell oh well you live and you learn and give 6 years of your life away in this instance.
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The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state
What?! Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live. This guy would have got 25+ years too. It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....
And if he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.
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The vendor who got caught deserved everything he got why I'll tell you why cos he basically got his own dick hard then rammed it up his own arse hole ie he fucked himsrlf good n proper cutting agents ledgers money codes fir SR in your phone boy he must of been an idiot man but like I said he deserves everything he got and more he is sooo lucky with that light prison spell oh well you live and you learn and give 6 years of your life away in this instance.
PHOBOSS
I LOVE YOU LONG TIME. Almost as much as JWM. Have some compassion. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Law enforcement needs to find a different approach to dealing with drug offenders.
So you don't get charged for using drugs but for the possession of drugs.
The drug laws in Amsterdam are a step in the right direction.
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The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state
What?! Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live. This guy would have got 25+ years too. It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....
And if he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.
We have police dogs at grade schools. Australia is still better than the US when it comes to drug laws and the US is better then the middle east when it comes to drug laws lol. Hey man, I'll trade you drug laws any day of the week! :D
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Aussie vendor cutting a already cut product even more to sell on while charging double the price? Typical we are ALWAYS ripped here hence OS is the way to go for personal amounts. Unlucky kid but hey you cut product and rip people off well you just got ripped near 6 years of your life.
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Must have been using the LE trojan MetaSilk software by SelfSovereignty (SS), he claims it makes the experience on SR more comfortable. He prefers you call him SS, sounds a lot like the Nazi secret police, or the (US) Secret Service in this case.
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Aussie vendor cutting a already cut product even more to sell on while charging double the price? Typical we are ALWAYS ripped here hence OS is the way to go for personal amounts. Unlucky kid but hey you cut product and rip people off well you just got ripped near 6 years of your life.
Why are there so many posts outraged he got what he deserved because he cut his drugs.Wake up. As long as it's a benign cutting agent big fucking deal.. Part and Parcel of the trade. Australia is Australia known for expensive shit quality drugs for the most part..e.g. Out of the hundreds of pills dropped probably <10% were memorable those being mainly overseas or imported pills.
Silkroad has spoilt the fiends within us all
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Mmmm it would be good to know the vendors username...
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In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
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That does not sound right.
Definitely wrong. 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.
He was arrested in April 2012... Coins were $5 back then..
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This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.
Any other thoughts guys??
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This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.
Any other thoughts guys??
DopeBoyAus was the one in QLD?
If so, something I heard around the way IRL, his mate's exgirlfriend crimestoppers'd them...
Pretty sure he made bail and is still going through the process?
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The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state
What?! Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live. This guy would have got 25+ years too. It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....
And if he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.
I have to agree with you. Whilst drug trafficking in the US might get you a longer prison sentence than in Australia, no other country waste the police resources and time that Australia does on catching drug users. People with personal amounts of drugs are targeted heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequently at train stations, streets, nightclubs, always at festivals. All they do is catch end drug users and bring in revenue for the Government. Most possession of drug offences are just a fine, possibly with a conviction recorded.
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The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state
What?! Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live. This guy would have got 25+ years too. It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....
And if he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.
I have to agree with you. Whilst drug trafficking in the US might get you a longer prison sentence than in Australia, no other country waste the police resources and time that Australia does on catching drug users. People with personal amounts of drugs are targeted heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequently at train stations, streets, nightclubs, always at festivals. All they do is catch end drug users and bring in revenue for the Government. Most possession of drug offences are just a fine, possibly with a conviction recorded.
They do all of that here in the US. The only difference is, it's not a fine here, you go to jail or prison. Then often you get out and have probation or parole which is just a trap to send you back.
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This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.
Any other thoughts guys??
Pretty sure this raid is the DopeBoyAus one. From what I heard he was the Geebung guy.. And the info to crimestoppers was his mates ex..
Again though, just what I heard..
http://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2012/04/20/closure-of-drug-operation-brisbane/
"Police in Brisbane yesterday closed a major drug operation charging 15 people with 770 offences including trafficking in illicit drugs.
Officers, including detectives from Dutton Park Criminal Investigation Branch yesterday executed seven search warrants on properties across Brisbane, including Carina, Coorparoo, West End, Geebung, Bald Hills and South Brisbane.
Operation Juliet Nighthawk commenced in January 2012 in response to information provided to Crime Stoppers."
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scorned woman... ha :)
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The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state
What?! Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live. This guy would have got 25+ years too. It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....
And if he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.
I have to agree with you. Whilst drug trafficking in the US might get you a longer prison sentence than in Australia, no other country waste the police resources and time that Australia does on catching drug users. People with personal amounts of drugs are targeted heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequently at train stations, streets, nightclubs, always at festivals. All they do is catch end drug users and bring in revenue for the Government. Most possession of drug offences are just a fine, possibly with a conviction recorded.
I agree that Australian Police do waste a lot of time and money busting drug users and low level street dealers, but they are no where near like the Police in the US, not even in the same league. They operate buy / busts in some states arresting people and taking them to gaol for making a $10 purchase of crack. I know the Police here will arrest some people for carrying a pill but having been on both sides of fence, I'll take the Australian Police over an American Officer any day of the week. The US put a lot of resources into street level dealers and users and are like a dog with a bone if they suspect something is up. You would have to stand out like dogs balls here for a copper to search your car or yourself in my opinion. I've been pulled over many times in my life and have never been, nor has my vehicle been, searched. I've digressed a little there, sorry about that!!
jjandall, are you sure DBA was from QLD?
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The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state
What?! Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live. This guy would have got 25+ years too. It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....
And if he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.
I have to agree with you. Whilst drug trafficking in the US might get you a longer prison sentence than in Australia, no other country waste the police resources and time that Australia does on catching drug users. People with personal amounts of drugs are targeted heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequently at train stations, streets, nightclubs, always at festivals. All they do is catch end drug users and bring in revenue for the Government. Most possession of drug offences are just a fine, possibly with a conviction recorded.
I agree that Australian Police do waste a lot of time and money busting drug users and low level street dealers, but they are no where near like the Police in the US, not even in the same league. They operate buy / busts in some states arresting people and taking them to gaol for making a $10 purchase of crack. I know the Police here will arrest some people for carrying a pill but having been on both sides of fence, I'll take the Australian Police over an American Officer any day of the week. The US put a lot of resources into street level dealers and users and are like a dog with a bone if they suspect something is up. You would have to stand out like dogs balls here for a copper to search your car or yourself in my opinion. I've been pulled over many times in my life and have never been, nor has my vehicle been, searched. I've digressed a little there, sorry about that!!
jjandall, are you sure DBA was from QLD?
Will PM you, but yeah 100% sure he's QLD.
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And yes Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
Poker machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
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This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.
Any other thoughts guys??
I could be wrong but if you read the news article it says that he made 28 sales on SR for 172 total pills so he may have only been selling MDMA on here.
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This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.
Any other thoughts guys??
I could be wrong but if you read the news article it says that he made 28 sales on SR for 172 total pills so he may have only been selling MDMA on here.
The court heard records from the website showed Owen supplied 172 MDMA pills in 28 separate transactions from April 16 to April 26 last year, as well as shipping three packages of unknown drugs in separate transactions during the same period.
How does the vendor selling 172 pills in 28 transactions translate into he was only selling MDMA? Not only were there 3 transactions which can't be accounted for with regards to their content, but there are other ways such as stealth listings in which items could be secretly sold by the vendor. I know this as I made a few custom orders with D.U.D when he first started and walked him through the process. I can understand your way of thinking but there is no one else (vendor) which springs to mind who fits the bill.
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This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.
Any other thoughts guys??
I could be wrong but if you read the news article it says that he made 28 sales on SR for 172 total pills so he may have only been selling MDMA on here.
The court heard records from the website showed Owen supplied 172 MDMA pills in 28 separate transactions from April 16 to April 26 last year, as well as shipping three packages of unknown drugs in separate transactions during the same period.
How does the vendor selling 172 pills in 28 transactions translate into he was only selling MDMA? Not only were there 3 transactions which can't be accounted for with regards to their content, but there are other ways such as stealth listings in which items could be secretly sold by the vendor. I know this as I made a few custom orders with D.U.D when he first started and walked him through the process. I can understand your way of thinking but there is no one else (vendor) which springs to mind who fits the bill.
The police had access to his account and transaction history on SR (as well as his ledger). If he made sales for other items I expect it would be noted in the report. I assumed the three orders of unknown drugs were custom orders, which is why they couldn't determine what he sold. Maybe he hadn't put meth listings up yet and had them as stealth listings until he got up and running?
It was a long time ago and his account was only acive for two weeks. There have been many vendors since then so it's not hard to forget the vendor.
Has the sentencing document come up online yet? I saw falk... posted up something before.
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And yes Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
Poker machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them. That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs which we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't mean they should be banned.
I hope you see my point.
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And yes Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
Poker machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them. That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs which we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't mean they should be banned.
I hope you see my point.
This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -
An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".
I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -
"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.
I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.
Any other thoughts guys??
I could be wrong but if you read the news article it says that he made 28 sales on SR for 172 total pills so he may have only been selling MDMA on here.
The court heard records from the website showed Owen supplied 172 MDMA pills in 28 separate transactions from April 16 to April 26 last year, as well as shipping three packages of unknown drugs in separate transactions during the same period.
How does the vendor selling 172 pills in 28 transactions translate into he was only selling MDMA? Not only were there 3 transactions which can't be accounted for with regards to their content, but there are other ways such as stealth listings in which items could be secretly sold by the vendor. I know this as I made a few custom orders with D.U.D when he first started and walked him through the process. I can understand your way of thinking but there is no one else (vendor) which springs to mind who fits the bill.
The police had access to his account and transaction history on SR (as well as his ledger). If he made sales for other items I expect it would be noted in the report. I assumed the three orders of unknown drugs were custom orders, which is why they couldn't determine what he sold. Maybe he hadn't put meth listings up yet and had them as stealth listings until he got up and running?
It was a long time ago and his account was only acive for two weeks. There have been many vendors since then so it's not hard to forget the vendor.
Has the sentencing document come up online yet? I saw falk... posted up something before.
An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a user name and password for the Silk Road website, of which he was an active member for about two months.
His account was active for two months, not two weeks. Using the process of elimination, there are only a few former vendor's it could be where the time frame corresponds with events that unfolded. Considering only 2-3 types of drugs were sold and the rather smallish amount of vendor's around in those days compared to the present, who else could it be? Time will tell I guess. :)
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And yes Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
Poker machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them. That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs which we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't mean they should be banned.
I hope you see my point.
I see it Dingo and totally agree with your sentiments. We each have choices to make in life and as adults, need to take responsibility for our own actions and not blame everything else but ourselves if something goes wrong. It seems the minority are always catered for and the majority suffer as a consequence. The Government is involved in way too many decisions which affect a person's ability to live life. They wouldn't have a clue what is best for each and every one of us and decisions which affect our quality of life should be left to the individual/family to make. As long as you don't hurt others with a decision you make and work within the "boundaries", you should have the right to make choices which you feel are best for you and your family without the need for Government interference or regulation. We are well on our way to becoming a "nanny state" (I know Australia is a country, it's just a term of phrase) where we have a rule or regulation for everything we do. Why Government's need to get involved in every single detail of our day to day life is beyond me. :) +1 Dingo for some good, honest points. ;D
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And yes Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
Poker machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them. That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs which we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't mean they should be banned.
I hope you see my point.
I see it Dingo and totally agree with your sentiments. We each have choices to make in life and as adults, need to take responsibility for our own actions and not blame everything else but ourselves if something goes wrong. It seems the minority are always catered for and the majority suffer as a consequence. The Government is involved in way too many decisions which affect a person's ability to live life. They wouldn't have a clue what is best for each and every one of us and decisions which affect our quality of life should be left to the individual/family to make. As long as you don't hurt others with a decision you make and work within the "boundaries", you should have the right to make choices which you feel are best for you and your family without the need for Government interference or regulation. We are well on our way to becoming a "nanny state" (I know Australia is a country, it's just a term of phrase) where we have a rule or regulation for everything we do. Why Government's need to get involved in every single detail of our day to day life is beyond me. :) +1 Dingo for some good, honest points. ;D
+1 back. It's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks this way. It seems that most of the population is happy to sit back and accept that everything that is not beneficial to the economy or potentially unhealthy be banned. Nothing infuriates me more than seeing the Government ban things because if they are banned, they will "help economic growth." Fuck economic growth. I would rather be able to choose what I do in my lifetime and enjoy my life than lad a dull lifestyle with boundaries and restrictions on everything and have 5% more money to spend.
I don't smoke, but I think tobacco should be legal for anyone who is old enough to make their decisions (18+) because it doesn't affect me, same with gay marriage and gay rights and every other thing that harms nobody but the person concerned. I really cannot see why gay people can't get married. It makes people happy, so why not allow it? I understand some Christian groups are against it, but it still doesn't affect them, What about Julia Gillard? She is an atheist and she is still against gay marriage - She has no reason not to allow it other than because she is controlling and manipulative. Pokie machines aren't of much interest to me either, but I still like the fact that if I ever want to use one, I can.
Fast food is by far the biggest health concern in Australia, yet it is totally ignored. I am against tax hikes for unhealthy food, because I know that it would start out as a small tax on some items and then gradually increase and extend to more and more food groups. I think the Government should encourage healthy eating, but no further action is needed. People need to take responsibility for themselves. The more the Government restricts things and governs every aspect of everything, the less responsibility people will take for themselves. It will spiral out of control and in the end everyone will be told exactly what to do and what not to do because they do not know how to take responsibility for themselves. It is already heading that way. I know people on here will call me out for saying what I'm saying is extreme, but if it keeps going the way it is, it will end up like that.
I think it is quite contradictory to see people coming on to the forum of a drug-selling website and saying pokie machines should be banned because they aren't beneficial to society. We are all here because we use drugs, which are NOT beneficial. Yes, they are fun and can expand our thought processes, but they are in no way beneficial. Drugs make our lives more interesting and give us something else to enjoy, just as pokie machines would do for other people.
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It's is harsh down under, it does not sound like getting gear there is not easy and they are certainly leading the way in the online/postal drug wars.
Sooner or later other counties will appraoch the Aussie's customs officials for "best practices" to deter SR's shipments into their countries
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An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a user name and password for the Silk Road website, of which he was an active member for about two months.
His account was active for two months, not two weeks. Using the process of elimination, there are only a few former vendor's it could be where the time frame corresponds with events that unfolded. Considering only 2-3 types of drugs were sold and the rather smallish amount of vendor's around in those days compared to the present, who else could it be? Time will tell I guess. :)
It just says he was a member for two months, not a vendor.
The 28 transactions were done over a 10 day period so, until it's shown otherwise, it looks to me he was only a vendor for 10 days. They had access to his SR account and he kept a ledger so if he was vending for longer they would have known and it would have been reported.
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And yes Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
Poker machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them. That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs which we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't mean they should be banned.
I hope you see my point.
Firstly, drugs, alcohol, fast food, etc, provide benefit to society way above poker machines ever could.
Secondly, you need regulation. There are plenty of other forms of gambling people can enjoy instead of poker machines. They target the poorest and least intelligent members of society.
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That's untrue rocketgauze. To some people, Poker Machines are like an escapism from the pressures of everyday life, just as drugs and alcohol are too for some of us. Some people love to play the pokie's in the hope they get the free spins, some play solely to win cash and some of us have a go when where out and about after a few coldies. Each to their own. It's a choice an adult is more than capable of making without the need for a Government to implement rules and restrictions and police them. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is all it takes. We each have our weaknesses and shouldn't put ourselves in situations where we may circum to them without taking the necessary precautions, especially if your on your own. An alcoholic would be silly to go to a pub for obvious reasons, just as a person with a gambling addition should stay away from places like Casinos.
There does need to be boundaries with all things in life but one should feel free to live life as they choose within those confines, as long as your actions don't interfere with or affect others. A "freedom of choice" if you like. Remember, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Which ever method you chose to do so is really irrelevant as you end up with the same result, a cat with no skin.
Yes, there are plenty of other forms of gambling which people could enjoy but whether you're playing the pokies or betting on horses, at the end of the day you're gambling! One form is not better than the other and just as some people enjoy a day at the races, others love a beer and a flutter on the pokies. It's a choice we should all be entitled to make as adults instead of having a Government intervene with ridiculous laws and regulations that they couldn't police anyway. Pokies are machines and don't target anyone. I play them occasionally and I'm definitely not poor and consider myself a reasonably intelligent and productive member of society.
Dingo, agree with you again!! Next, we'll be giving each other hugs!(lol) We don't need to pay any more taxes in this country as we are taxed to the eye balls on virtually everything we use. Educate children and teenagers on topics where as an adult, they'll be able to make an informed decision based on the facts. If you can't understand that eating take away fish and chips every day will eventually cause you to gain weight in comparison to eating a salad sandwich instead, then you're not being honest with yourself and need to do some reading to familiarize yourself with the reasons why.
Some common sense combined with you taking responsibility for your own actions in life is all one needs to succeed and live a forfilling and enjoyable life. Being tied down with excessive laws and regulations for everything we do in life will just over complicate things even more than they already are.
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Scary that a vendor keeps so much information that could be incriminating to his customers.
I hope that he was an outlier, and he got caught because of his more unprofessional conduct.
Makes me wonder if there is a benefit in using several buying accounts, as LE would target bigger customers first.
Bitcoins seem to open up a new avenue of being unfairly f**ked in court, because I think working out the real amount in the local currency is far beyond most LE. As with many other drugs, i.e. amount of LSD is often calculated by weighing the whole blotter!!!
I've heard a case here in the UK where someone was found with 50g of trichocereus pachanoi powder, and was charged with possession of 50g of mescaline...
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This has probably been asked before but, how the hell did police get probable cause to open his mail? Possibly in that country there exist no such laws?
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This has probably been asked before but, how the hell did police get probable cause to open his mail? Possibly in that country there exist no such laws?
It's Australia. The cops have insane amounts of power. They do whatever they want to try and arrest somebody.
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Seems like rocketgauze has pulled the pin on his account for some reason. He just got started too. He's probably down at the local playing the pokies!! ;D
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That's untrue rocketgauze. To some people, Poker Machines are like an escapism from the pressures of everyday life, just as drugs and alcohol are too for some of us. Some people love to play the pokie's in the hope they get the free spins, some play solely to win cash and some of us have a go when where out and about after a few coldies. Each to their own. It's a choice an adult is more than capable of making without the need for a Government to implement rules and restrictions and police them. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is all it takes. We each have our weaknesses and shouldn't put ourselves in situations where we may circum to them without taking the necessary precautions, especially if your on your own. An alcoholic would be silly to go to a pub for obvious reasons, just as a person with a gambling addition should stay away from places like Casinos.
There does need to be boundaries with all things in life but one should feel free to live life as they choose within those confines, as long as your actions don't interfere with or affect others. A "freedom of choice" if you like. Remember, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Which ever method you chose to do so is really irrelevant as you end up with the same result, a cat with no skin.
Yes, there are plenty of other forms of gambling which people could enjoy but whether you're playing the pokies or betting on horses, at the end of the day you're gambling! One form is not better than the other and just as some people enjoy a day at the races, others love a beer and a flutter on the pokies. It's a choice we should all be entitled to make as adults instead of having a Government intervene with ridiculous laws and regulations that they couldn't police anyway. Pokies are machines and don't target anyone. I play them occasionally and I'm definitely not poor and consider myself a reasonably intelligent and productive member of society.
Dingo, agree with you again!! Next, we'll be giving each other hugs!(lol) We don't need to pay any more taxes in this country as we are taxed to the eye balls on virtually everything we use. Educate children and teenagers on topics where as an adult, they'll be able to make an informed decision based on the facts. If you can't understand that eating take away fish and chips every day will eventually cause you to gain weight in comparison to eating a salad sandwich instead, then you're not being honest with yourself and need to do some reading to familiarize yourself with the reasons why.
Some common sense combined with you taking responsibility for your own actions in life is all one needs to succeed and live a forfilling and enjoyable life. Being tied down with excessive laws and regulations for everything we do in life will just over complicate things even more than they already are.
+1 Wadazo. Excellent post :)
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Seems like rocketgauze has pulled the pin on his account for some reason. He just got started too. He's probably down at the local playing the pokies!! ;D
yea I noticed that. Haha, or could be a police account?
Clearly they think differently to most Silk Road users.
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That's untrue rocketgauze. To some people, Poker Machines are like an escapism from the pressures of everyday life, just as drugs and alcohol are too for some of us. Some people love to play the pokie's in the hope they get the free spins, some play solely to win cash and some of us have a go when where out and about after a few coldies. Each to their own. It's a choice an adult is more than capable of making without the need for a Government to implement rules and restrictions and police them. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is all it takes. We each have our weaknesses and shouldn't put ourselves in situations where we may circum to them without taking the necessary precautions, especially if your on your own. An alcoholic would be silly to go to a pub for obvious reasons, just as a person with a gambling addition should stay away from places like Casinos.
There does need to be boundaries with all things in life but one should feel free to live life as they choose within those confines, as long as your actions don't interfere with or affect others. A "freedom of choice" if you like. Remember, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Which ever method you chose to do so is really irrelevant as you end up with the same result, a cat with no skin.
Yes, there are plenty of other forms of gambling which people could enjoy but whether you're playing the pokies or betting on horses, at the end of the day you're gambling! One form is not better than the other and just as some people enjoy a day at the races, others love a beer and a flutter on the pokies. It's a choice we should all be entitled to make as adults instead of having a Government intervene with ridiculous laws and regulations that they couldn't police anyway. Pokies are machines and don't target anyone. I play them occasionally and I'm definitely not poor and consider myself a reasonably intelligent and productive member of society.
Dingo, agree with you again!! Next, we'll be giving each other hugs!(lol) We don't need to pay any more taxes in this country as we are taxed to the eye balls on virtually everything we use. Educate children and teenagers on topics where as an adult, they'll be able to make an informed decision based on the facts. If you can't understand that eating take away fish and chips every day will eventually cause you to gain weight in comparison to eating a salad sandwich instead, then you're not being honest with yourself and need to do some reading to familiarize yourself with the reasons why.
Some common sense combined with you taking responsibility for your own actions in life is all one needs to succeed and live a forfilling and enjoyable life. Being tied down with excessive laws and regulations for everything we do in life will just over complicate things even more than they already are.
Yep. 100% agree with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?
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Always wondered: when did the trigger happy suing culture arise?
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Yep. 100% agree with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?
It's not as easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat etc.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been promoting themselves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving adds, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time that they were selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try to stop people from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, marketing, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about education and good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to these.
Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate things.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the same education, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes are still a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don't help.
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good point itsalosvevo I agree completely...have a look at the "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" thread bro, mucho interestingo!
m m m motek
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Yep. 100% agree with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?
It's not as easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat etc.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been promoting themselves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving adds, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time that they were selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try to stop people from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, marketing, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about education and good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to these.
Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate things.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the same education, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes are still a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don't help.
I get where you are coming from. But I see restrictions as unnecessary punishment. We are punished with ridiculous restrictions because some people show no self-control or responsibility.
It is getting constantly worse too.
Yes I can see tobacco companies promote their products (although they can't in Australia anymore), but so does junk food.
These things are available for anyone to consume, but it should be our option to control ourselves. I just think that by constantly regulating things, people come to expect to be protected and it continues to spiral that way.
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Yep. 100% agree with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?
It's not as easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat etc.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been promoting themselves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving adds, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time that they were selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try to stop people from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, marketing, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about education and good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to these.
Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate things.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the same education, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes are still a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don't help.
I get where you are coming from. But I see restrictions as unnecessary punishment. We are punished with ridiculous restrictions because some people show no self-control or responsibility.
It is getting constantly worse too.
Yes I can see tobacco companies promote their products (although they can't in Australia anymore), but so does junk food.
These things are available for anyone to consume, but it should be our option to control ourselves. I just think that by constantly regulating things, people come to expect to be protected and it continues to spiral that way.
I knew you will know where I live.
I took tobacco as an example, junk food is another one. I smoke, and sometimes eat junk food.
You way of thinking is just too optimistic or elitist. People, because they're dying of tobacco, will stop smoking. Or because fast food is unhealthy, they will eat vegetables ? That point of view is really not realistic, pragmatic nor convincing !
Give a child an unhealthy hamburger and some vegetables : what, according to you, is he going to eat ??
It's not about self control, only about education, as i said, and information.
About this example - food, you probably know that your palate starts developing before your birth. If a baby has only been used to eat sweet food, he probably won't ever love vegatables - which are healthier (i mean genuinely).
I'm really not saying governments should make law for everything. But you have to remember that information is the key ; if you are uneducated, you simply are unable to control yourself.
Medias only tell bullshit about most important things, honest people are most of the time not listen or censored. Our history book are lying by omission, ETC.
Tobacco companies can't promote themselves anymore, but they are one of the big lobby.
Why ? Money ... but not money for everyone, only for some elitist groups.
Lobbies, politics, laws, rain, it's all about money, who cares about you, your comfort, your hobbies, if you have no money ?
well fuck me
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Yep. 100% agree with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?
It's not as easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat etc.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been promoting themselves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving adds, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time that they were selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try to stop people from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, marketing, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about education and good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to these.
Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate things.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the same education, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes are still a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don't help.
I get where you are coming from. But I see restrictions as unnecessary punishment. We are punished with ridiculous restrictions because some people show no self-control or responsibility.
It is getting constantly worse too.
Yes I can see tobacco companies promote their products (although they can't in Australia anymore), but so does junk food.
These things are available for anyone to consume, but it should be our option to control ourselves. I just think that by constantly regulating things, people come to expect to be protected and it continues to spiral that way.
I knew you will know where I live.
I took tobacco as an example, junk food is another one. I smoke, and sometimes eat junk food.
You way of thinking is just too optimistic or elitist. People, because they're dying of tobacco, will stop smoking. Or because fast food is unhealthy, they will eat vegetables ? That point of view is really not realistic, pragmatic nor convincing !
Give a child an unhealthy hamburger and some vegetables : what, according to you, is he going to eat ??
It's not about self control, only about education, as i said, and information.
About this example - food, you probably know that your palate starts developing before your birth. If a baby has only been used to eat sweet food, he probably won't ever love vegatables - which are healthier (i mean genuinely).
I'm really not saying governments should make law for everything. But you have to remember that information is the key ; if you are uneducated, you simply are unable to control yourself.
Medias only tell bullshit about most important things, honest people are most of the time not listen or censored. Our history book are lying by omission, ETC.
Tobacco companies can't promote themselves anymore, but they are one of the big lobby.
Why ? Money ... but not money for everyone, only for some elitist groups.
Lobbies, politics, laws, rain, it's all about money, who cares about you, your comfort, your hobbies, if you have no money ?
well fuck me
I don't know where you live? What country are you from?
I suppose I see things differently to most people because I am more open-minded than the majority of the population and I do have very good self-control and the ability to make responsible choices more easily than a lot of people. I understand that a lot of people need protection from certain things, but it seems wrong to limit others freedom of choice at the same time. There should be an equilibrium, but I feel that the equilibrium is constantly shifting and limits are being put on too many things. It's going too far. When you have laws being proposed that will completely illegalise tobacco, I just think that is wrong. I don't even smoke, but I think that it should be an option. Smoking is unhealthy, but it's not destroying society. Drugs are illegal, yet I still use them as do tens of millions of people worldwide. It seems unfair to imprison drug users - Decriminalization of drugs would be a step in the right direction.
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Thats just one way to get busted ... some of these vendors are keeping addresses and threatening the police,saying there gona send them round and say your dealing ..... Serious shit & time
watch out all ...
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thanks for the info. this vendor gets the plum.
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Yep. 100% agree with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?
It's not as easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat etc.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been promoting themselves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving adds, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time that they were selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try to stop people from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, marketing, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about education and good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to these.
Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate things.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the same education, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes are still a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don't help.
I get where you are coming from. But I see restrictions as unnecessary punishment. We are punished with ridiculous restrictions because some people show no self-control or responsibility.
It is getting constantly worse too.
Yes I can see tobacco companies promote their products (although they can't in Australia anymore), but so does junk food.
These things are available for anyone to consume, but it should be our option to control ourselves. I just think that by constantly regulating things, people come to expect to be protected and it continues to spiral that way.
I knew you will know where I live.
I took tobacco as an example, junk food is another one. I smoke, and sometimes eat junk food.
You way of thinking is just too optimistic or elitist. People, because they're dying of tobacco, will stop smoking. Or because fast food is unhealthy, they will eat vegetables ? That point of view is really not realistic, pragmatic nor convincing !
Give a child an unhealthy hamburger and some vegetables : what, according to you, is he going to eat ??
It's not about self control, only about education, as i said, and information.
About this example - food, you probably know that your palate starts developing before your birth. If a baby has only been used to eat sweet food, he probably won't ever love vegatables - which are healthier (i mean genuinely).
I'm really not saying governments should make law for everything. But you have to remember that information is the key ; if you are uneducated, you simply are unable to control yourself.
Medias only tell bullshit about most important things, honest people are most of the time not listen or censored. Our history book are lying by omission, ETC.
Tobacco companies can't promote themselves anymore, but they are one of the big lobby.
Why ? Money ... but not money for everyone, only for some elitist groups.
Lobbies, politics, laws, rain, it's all about money, who cares about you, your comfort, your hobbies, if you have no money ?
well fuck me
No one pushes anyone into doing anything italosvevo. It's a choice that an individual will make based on what they know about a particular subject. Sure, at times we can all get a little down on ourselves through circumstances which really make life hard, such as a death of someone close, a loss of your job or bugger all money to spend on some of life's pleasures.
However, we are all born as equals in the sense that every child is able to get an education through the local Public and High Schools. School fees are not compulsory for parents to pay, although most do pay them. There has been advertisements at various locations for many, many years, mainly public areas and alike and with the invention of the TV, that has continued to grow to it's current state today. To suggest that advertising is the reason your being forced to buy something is crazy. Again, instead of blaming the media, we should look at taking some personal responsibility for the choices we make. We all have choices to make at certain times in life which will affect our lives dramatically.
If you give a child an unhealthy hamburger and some vegetables, what will he/she eat. The answer is what ever they get to eat from me which I feel is suitable for their needs at the time. If they don't like it, they won't be eating. I guarantee you though that the kids will eat virtually anything you give them if you establish the boundaries with them early on and stick to them. If a parent curtails to the ads on TV (fast food) as a result of the kids having a tantrum then you're setting a precedent for your kids on what they have to do to get what they want. Kids need to be guided through life with a set of boundaries for them not to cross. Explain to them that if they break the rules by crossing the boundary, there will be consequences for their actions. If they break the rules, parents MUST follow through with a punishment so the kids know your serious about it and won't be backing down. They soon realize that if they stay within the boundary and play, they won't be in any trouble and can still enjoy themselves just as much.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking profit of the weaker.
Examples please to illustrate your point. This is simply not factual at all. We all have freedom as it stands. People should be allowed to do as they please as long as they do so without hurting others and within the laws and regulations set out by governments many years ago. These will require updates and new assessments should be done as times change. A law made in 1923 will no doubt need to be adjusted, tweaked, etc to work effectively in today's society. Each child is entitled to an education and by law, must attend school. Entitlements are what a person is entitled to as a result of the current minimum requirements set out in our Industry Standards. People create their own path in life through the decisions they make. At the end of the day, it their choice to make and theirs alone.
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nice post wadozo, we agree,
@italoslevo, we agree with some things you said, but when you say this...
"I'm really not saying governments should make law for everything. But you have to remember that information is the key ; if you are uneducated, you simply are unable to control yourself."
It's not really the case. Informed, educated people make 'wrong' decisions ALL the time, just like everyone else. Education, while 'helpful' is not the 'be all and end all' when making decisions.
As people have 'feelings' .. which are not 'facts' and they do not neccesarily 'add up'! Consider what could be called "crimes of passion" . . . there usually doesn't seem to be much 'logic' being used during most, they are often split second decisions made in the heat of the moment, and the persons 'education' per se, has little to do with their behaviour.
Not that long ago it was sufficient to 'blame' a moment of passion for someone dying at the hands of another! Esp 'partners' . . . I know here iz Oz until the 1970's, this was a valid defense if you had killed your partner, and there are many people walking around today who never would see freedom again in todays world were they to do today what they did 40 years ago!
The real 'problem' with our current 'nanny states' is that people really dont care when things dont 'directly affect them' and are complacent enough to let this shit happen
Now this^^^ IS a problem exacerbated by ignorance, and the better a person's knowledge about the topic which is often directly related to their education, is another thing altogether!
interesting thread
m m m motek